TheGrebs.com:IRC Logs:#mythtv:2003:02:12

10:06	--> You	are now talking on #mythtv
10:06	-!-	Topic for #mythtv is MythTV - http://mythtv.org/ - PVR for linux
10:06	-!-	Topic for #mythtv set by Justin_ at Wed Feb 5 02:54:03
10:07	<mdz_>	Chutt: could you please not have mailman mangle my reply-to headers? nobody listens to mail-followup-to in the real world, so that is the only way to direct followups
10:08	<Chutt>	you know how to configure it to do that?
10:09	<mdz_>	not offhand, but I understand there is documentation
10:10	<mdz_>	according to the docs, the setting is labeled "Where are replies to list messages directed? Poster is strongly recommended for most mailing lists."
10:11	<Chutt>	right
10:11	<Chutt>	i don't like that, since it encourages replys to be sent off-list
10:11	<mdz_>	right, it should leave the damn header alone
10:11	<Chutt>	no
10:11	<Chutt>	leaving it alone means people will send replys off list
10:12	<Chutt>	or if they hit reply to all, will send both off list and to the list
10:12	<Chutt>	which sucks
10:12	<mdz_>	only if they are stupid, in which case that is a feature
10:12	<Chutt>	you've seen the level of intelligence on my mailing list :p
10:13	<mdz_>	lots of traffic on -users apparently
10:13	<Chutt>	less than -dev, still
10:17	<mdz_>	well, the last two all-in-wonder threads went to -users
10:17	<mdz_>	and that is a big step
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10:50	<poptix>	mdz_: so that guy actually sent you source code eh?
10:50	<mdz_>	poptix: yep...kinda shady though
10:51	<poptix>	how so?
10:54	<mdz_>	well, for one thing he will only reply to me off-list
10:54	<mdz_>	he doesn't seem to want people to know that he did it
10:55	<poptix>	sneaky
10:55	<poptix>	any license present in the source code?
10:56	<rkulagow>	i was wondering the same thing. if it's not a secret, then why not give it to the V4L people to incorporate into the kernel?
10:57	<Chutt>	and it's not like it's _that_ big of a deal
10:57	<Chutt>	dscaler has a gpl'd driver for it, that could be adapted with some work to linux
10:57	<Chutt>	and the bttv guy's said he has all the docs he needs to write a driver
10:58	<mdz_>	I'm asking him for confirmation on the licensing that's in the material
10:58	<rkulagow>	right, but if you've got a drop-in replacement and it's ready to go, then no need to spend cycles on writing your own. (adapting the GPL'ed dscaler driver would still take time, wouldn't it?)
10:58	<Chutt>	rkulagow, right
10:59	<Chutt>	but it's not like lindows is the only people that can do the thing, so there's no reason for him to be secretive about it
11:03	<mdz_>	this thing has no chance of getting into the kernel as-is
11:03	<mdz_>	so hopefully the btttv guy can write something
11:03	<Chutt>	well
11:03	<Chutt>	could it be cleaned up?
11:04	<Chutt>	those cards should look better than the old bt8x8 stuff, from what i've read =)
11:04	<mdz_>	anything can be cleaned up, I guess
11:04	<mdz_>	dunno whether it's less work
11:05	<mdz_>	it's huge
11:05	<mdz_>	12k line diff
11:05	<mdz_>	adds about 50 files
11:06	<Chutt>	heh
11:06	<Chutt>	does it look windows drivery-ish?
11:06	<mdz_>	has MODULE_LICENSE("GPL") code #including super-duper secret header files saying "all rights reserved blah blah" which define a couple of constants
11:06	<mdz_>	yeah, DWORD all over the place and what not
11:07	<mdz_>	even hungarian notation in some places
11:07	<mdz_>	very windowsish
11:10	<Chutt>	probably just did a quick and dirty port of the windows driver =)
11:12	<poptix>	i don't mind that
11:12	<poptix>	if $company is willing to give us that much, it's much better than nothing
11:13	<poptix>	we don't necessarily need these companies to spend money paying someone to write a bad linux driver
11:14	<Chutt>	as long as it's gpl'd so people can fix it and stuff
11:14	<poptix>	right
11:14	<mdz_>	a bad driver is better than bad documentation
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15:44	<rkulagow>	chutt, mdz: i've gone through mythbackend, and I see the isLocal routine and local parameter. Chutt, do you even want a check for full duplex anywhere in the code? if not, i won't. if yes, do you prefer it to be in the frontend or the backend?
15:44	<Chutt>	backend's fine
15:44	<Chutt>	as long as it's only checking when it needs to be
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15:51	<rkulagow>	i'm trying to think of the conditions then. it's important that the card is full duplex if: frontend and backend are on the same box _and_ if the audiodevice in capturecard ==audiooutput device in settings. sounds about right?
15:51	<Chutt>	yup
15:52	<rkulagow>	would it be ok to add the check once the frontend connects? right now, the code was just stepping through the database during the setupTV phase.
15:59	<d_low>	hi guys
15:59	<d_low>	are ati all in wonder cards supported?
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16:04	<Chutt>	d_low, no, they're not.
16:06	<d_low>	k
16:06	<d_low>	a matrox g400 would be best correct?
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16:13	<TheAsp>	That BT IS with debugging...
16:13	<TheAsp>	DAMNIT.
16:14	<TheAsp>	oh, that wasnt my message
16:14	<TheAsp>	nm
16:14	<TheAsp>	(ignore above :P)
16:14	<TheAsp>	hey, where is my message?
16:17	<TheAsp>	damnit! i'm subbed with my other domain...
16:23	<d_low>	umm
16:23	<d_low>	right
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16:30	<TheAsp>	shush, im tired
16:30	<TheAsp>	:P
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20:51	<d_low>	do all g400 single head cardws have tv out capability? or just certain models?
20:55	<Soopaman>	american idol is cool :)
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21:02	<d_low>	do all g400 single head cardws have tv out capability? or just certain models?
21:12	<vektor>	You mean dual head cards?
21:12	<vektor>	Or what?
21:15	<Universe>	vektor... he just likes to repeat himself... He really doesn't want it answered.
21:16	<vektor>	ah ok.
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22:09	<d_low>	wtf ever
22:09	<d_low>	i had to leave
22:09	<d_low>	not my fault it took you guys 3 hours to answer
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22:17	<vektor>	uh...
22:18	<vektor>	[08:51pm][08:51pm] <d_low> do all g400 single head cardws have tv out capability? or just certain models?
22:18	<vektor>	[09:02pm][09:02pm] <d_low> do all g400 single head cardws have tv out capability? or just certain models?
22:18	<vektor>	[09:12pm][09:12pm] <vektor> You mean dual head cards?
22:18	<vektor>	so i was 20 minutes late from his first question, and 10 minutes late from his second question.
22:18	<vektor>	oh, and i missed him coming back by another 10 mintues.
22:18	<vektor>	jeez..
22:21	<TheAsp>	wouldn't #ati be the proper place for that?
22:21	<TheAsp>	:)
22:21	<vektor>	No, the G400 is a Matrox card.
22:21	<TheAsp>	whatever
22:21	<TheAsp>	:P
22:21	<vektor>	;)
22:22	<TheAsp>	i need to get an rf modulator
22:22	<vektor>	Can't modulate it by hand?
22:23	<vektor>	Jeez, people are so lazy these days.
22:23	<TheAsp>	heh
22:23	<TheAsp>	it's just so i can watch stuff from my bed
22:23	<TheAsp>	:P
22:23	* TheAsp	blames chutt
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23:09	<kuwanger>	Well, too late now. :(
23:10	<bigguy>	hmm
23:10	<bigguy>	too late for what?
23:11	<kuwanger>	For future reference, how can I core dump mythfrontend or whatever if/when it goes psychotic?
23:11	<bigguy>	heh dunno
23:11	* kuwanger	was trying to use ssh to login remotely to his machine to see if he could figure out why it had more or less locked up.
23:11	<bigguy>	me == not runnig mythtv
23:11	<kuwanger>	I noticed whoami running a lot and mythfrontend.
23:12	<kuwanger>	Last measurement I took, mythfrontend was using 800MB RSS, 1285MB Virtual.
23:12	<kuwanger>	But, then my ssh connection basically froze, so I had to kill mythfrontend.
23:40	<kuwanger>	Well, later then.
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