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| 03:28 | <journey> | anyone have a g400 doing tvout through the framebuffer? i have 2.4.18, with all the matrox stuff compiled in, but matroxset comes back with ioctl failed, and i cant figure out what tod o |
| 03:28 | <journey> | do i have to do modules instead, or something? |
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| 11:17 | <hurdel> | is mythweather timing out for anyone else here? |
| 11:29 | <rkulagow> | i had a problem when the shuttle disaster happened. are you getting blank pages displayed? |
| 11:31 | <Viddy> | it does for me sometimes getting pages |
| 11:31 | <Viddy> | but otherwise i have no problem |
| 11:32 | <rkulagow> | try hitting "m" to get it to refresh |
| 11:41 | <Viddy> | i seem to have a problem with mythtv, when i go to change channels, it hands |
| 11:41 | <Viddy> | eeh |
| 11:41 | <Viddy> | hangs |
| 11:42 | <Viddy> | it pauses fine, the osd comes up fine, the program display comes up fine |
| 11:43 | <Viddy> | not entirely sure why, but ive just finished a 13hr shift, so im off to bed |
| 11:44 | <Viddy> | err.. sure about the problem with mythtv, not why i did the shift ;) |
| 11:51 | <hurdel> | Viddy : with mythweather, i get the initial screen, then Connection Attempt #1...#20 etc.. |
| 11:51 | <moegreen> | I'll have time tonight to rewrite the connection section of mythweather. I've been meaning to do it to make it more reliable. |
| 11:53 | <moegreen> | On that note though, it usually connects immediately for me - however occasionally it misses the first connection attempt, then works on the 2nd |
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| 11:59 | <hurdel> | thanks moegreen |
| 12:00 | <hurdel> | mythweather is sweet to just have on if you are not using myth as a pvr |
| 12:00 | <hurdel> | turn on tv, instant weather |
| 12:00 | <hurdel> | too bad it is -30C here today with -41C windchill |
| 12:00 | <hurdel> | even mythweather can't help that |
| 12:02 | <moegreen> | hurdel: well I don't know, you could always convert it to Fahrenheit :) |
| 12:07 | <hurdel> | DOH |
| 12:07 | <hurdel> | well, -40C is -40F so it is COLLLLD |
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| 12:32 | <rkulagow> | chutt, did you see this? |
| 12:32 | <rkulagow> | > Subject: [mythtv] Your email is originating from yahoo.com. Due to the |
| 12:32 | <rkulagow> | > highvolume of spam coming from thi |
| 12:32 | <rkulagow> | > |
| 12:32 | <rkulagow> | > |
| 12:32 | <rkulagow> | > Your email is originating from yahoo.com. Due to the high |
| 12:32 | <rkulagow> | > volume of spam coming from this domain, you email has been |
| 12:32 | <rkulagow> | > moved removed and will be deleted. If you need to contact |
| 12:32 | <rkulagow> | > me, please do so from a different address. |
| 12:32 | <Chutt> | yeah, i just unsubscribed the dumbass |
| 12:34 | <moegreen> | it'd be nice if my email client wouldn't send two copies of everything to the mailing list. |
| 12:35 | <rkulagow> | chutt, i'm going to re-work the sound/mute patch to use the mixer associated with /dev/dsp rather than hard-coding /dev/mixer. i guess it's possible that someone may not be using their primary soundcard as their output device. i don't see that it needs to be selectable in setup though, do you? |
| 12:35 | <Chutt> | it should be |
| 12:35 | <Chutt> | just the same as /dev/dsp is selectable in setup |
| 12:36 | <Chutt> | well, settings |
| 12:36 | <Chutt> | in playback |
| 12:36 | <Chutt> | and yeah, once that's done, i'll accept the patch |
| 12:36 | <rkulagow> | ah, ok, then in that case i'll add it as the next field. means adding a column to the database though... |
| 12:37 | <Chutt> | it's just a normal setting |
| 12:37 | <rkulagow> | (next field in setup, with a default of /dev/mixer) |
| 12:37 | <rkulagow> | right. |
| 12:37 | <rkulagow> | thanks. |
| 12:44 | <rkulagow> | moegreen, are you here? |
| 12:44 | <moegreen> | i am |
| 12:46 | <rkulagow> | the latest commit to mythprogfind fixed the segfault issue. now i'm seeing that the sort for the program times seems to mix things up. for example, friends (wife likes it) is on multiple channels on multiple days. in the program time field though, the various times are showing up interspersed. so rather than 2/3, 2/4, 2/5, etc, i've got 2/4, 2/8, 2/12, 2/7, 2/3, etc, etc. |
| 12:47 | <moegreen> | yeah, I've been meaning to fix that as well. I'll get around to that as well tonight. |
| 12:47 | <rkulagow> | ok, just wanted to see if you knew about it. thanks. |
| 12:48 | <moegreen> | I guess it should go strictly by date, then by low->high channel number within each date? |
| 12:48 | <moegreen> | (and time) |
| 12:50 | <rkulagow> | that sounds about right. that way, if i'm looking to record friends on thursdays on NBC, i know that i can just go to thursday (if I know what date thursday will be) and start looking. Would 3 letter day abbreviations fit / be useful? |
| 12:50 | <poptix> | hrm |
| 12:50 | <poptix> | i wonder if mythtv is ipv6 aware |
| 12:50 | <rkulagow> | so instead of 2/8, it'll say Sat 2/8 |
| 12:51 | <poptix> | if not, i should submit a patch for it. |
| 12:51 | <moegreen> | it says the three letter day now |
| 12:52 | <rkulagow> | <duncecap> yes, of course. stupid "purloined letter" effect. no excuse for not even looking at the TV and seeing that mythprogfind already does that. </duncecap> |
| 12:53 | <moegreen> | heh, well i should get around to that tonight, bbl |
| 12:54 | <rkulagow> | thanks. |
| 12:54 | <rkulagow> | chutt, are you here? |
| 12:56 | <Chutt> | mostly |
| 12:58 | <rkulagow> | hi, chutt. in mythfrontend->setup->appearance->theme, the help text for GUI height is still being displayed when the cursor moves to date format and time format, but correctly updates when the cursor moves back to GUI width. |
| 13:00 | <Chutt> | it disappears for me.. |
| 13:00 | <poptix> | Chutt: do you have any thoughts on IPv6 support? |
| 13:01 | <Chutt> | if qt supports it, it should be transparent to mythtv |
| 13:01 | <poptix> | i didn't even think about that |
| 13:01 | <poptix> | hmm. |
| 13:03 | <rkulagow> | hrmm. |
| 13:03 | <poptix> | i'll have to look at that. |
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| 13:16 | <Chutt> | rkulagow, easiest way to "fix" it would be to write help text for the date and time format entries =) |
| 13:19 | <rkulagow> | Chutt: That's what I figured. I think I raised it is because there are other places in setup where there's no help text and it blanks out when the cursor moves to the position. |
| 13:50 | <mdz_> | I get the same behaviour with the help text staying around |
| 13:50 | <mdz_> | on the buttons anyway, not sure about the input widgets |
| 13:51 | <mdz_> | I was thinking about adding help text which would be displayed when the buttons are focused (including when the window first opens) |
| 13:52 | <rkulagow> | chutt, mdz: any thoughts on context-sensitive help, like hitting F1 to get a list of the keys and their actions in mythfrontend in the various screens? |
| 13:53 | <rkulagow> | (essentially, a recap of keys.txt) |
| 13:54 | <mdz_> | sure, if you want to do it |
| 14:03 | <Chutt> | mdz, i'm moving the bookmark and cutlist stuff into the db |
| 14:05 | <mdz_> | Chutt: good plan |
| 14:21 | <Chutt> | ok |
| 14:21 | <Chutt> | this is strange |
| 14:22 | <Chutt> | update recorded set bookmark = '1234' where chanid = '1007' and starttime = '20030113220000'; |
| 14:22 | <Chutt> | for some reason, sets the starttime to the current time |
| 14:24 | <Chutt> | ah |
| 14:24 | <Chutt> | silliness |
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| 14:44 | <mdz_> | yeah, dumb timestamp fields |
| 14:44 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 14:44 | <mdz_> | I think you actually want DATETIME for most of those |
| 14:45 | <Chutt> | probably |
| 14:45 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 14:45 | <Chutt> | bookmarks with mpeg4 files recorded recently were broken |
| 14:47 | <mdz_> | yeah, I noticed that |
| 14:47 | <mdz_> | would crash when resuming |
| 14:47 | <Chutt> | libavcodec change |
| 14:47 | <mdz_> | ah |
| 14:48 | <Chutt> | they no longer store _all_ the header info every keyframe |
| 14:48 | <rkulagow> | chutt: i added help text for the date and time format, but they still don't update. i've make cleaned and then make; make installed. |
| 14:48 | <Chutt> | instead, the first frame is special |
| 14:48 | <Chutt> | fixed it, anyway |
| 14:48 | <rkulagow> | (in mythfrontend, globalsettings.cpp) |
| 14:48 | <Chutt> | rkulagow, i'll look into it more, then |
| 14:48 | <rkulagow> | ok. i'll commit the help text. |
| 14:48 | <Chutt> | can you commit your help text changes, though? |
| 14:48 | <Chutt> | thanks |
| 14:49 | <rkulagow> | done |
| 14:53 | <Chutt> | rkulagow, the new help text shows up here |
| 14:53 | <poptix> | hey Chutt |
| 14:53 | <poptix> | root 7097 27.2 5.4 75404 27996 ttyp6 S 06:36 40:51 mythbackend |
| 14:54 | <poptix> | root 7362 2.5 3.3 49920 17504 ttyp7 S 11:24 3:56 mythfrontend |
| 14:54 | <poptix> | myth* is using much less CPU now |
| 14:54 | <poptix> | that's an Athlon XP 2000+ |
| 14:54 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 14:54 | <poptix> | it used to use ~85-90% cpu =) |
| 14:54 | <poptix> | i did tweak the compile flags though |
| 14:55 | <Chutt> | the split backend/frontend stuff helps a bit |
| 14:55 | <Chutt> | as do the playback optimizations mdz made |
| 14:55 | <rkulagow> | really. bizarre. mdz, you reported also seeing the help text not get reset (same issue I was having) when cursor moved while chutt reported blanks. do you see the new help text that I just committed? |
| 14:55 | <poptix> | that's rtjpeg, 720x480, 100 rtjpeg quality |
| 14:56 | <Chutt> | only 100? |
| 14:56 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 14:56 | <poptix> | i couldn't remember which way was higher quality =p |
| 14:56 | <Chutt> | ah |
| 14:56 | <Chutt> | higher is better |
| 14:56 | <mdz_> | rkulagow: dunno, what new help text? I can't look right now |
| 14:56 | <poptix> | i thought someone said lower was |
| 14:56 | <poptix> | shrug |
| 14:56 | <mdz_> | rkulagow: I'm using an older Qt as well, it has other problems |
| 14:56 | * poptix | modifies |
| 14:56 | <Chutt> | set it really low for fun |
| 14:56 | <Chutt> | all you get is big moving colored blocks =) |
| 14:56 | <mdz_> | set it really high to fill your disk |
| 14:57 | <Chutt> | 140 or so is good |
| 14:57 | <Chutt> | for that size of video |
| 14:57 | <Chutt> | iirc |
| 14:57 | <Chutt> | haven't used rtjpeg in ages, though |
| 14:57 | <rkulagow> | mdz: i added help text for the date / time formats. for me, it didn't work - i still see the previous help text; chutt says it worked for him. |
| 14:57 | <mdz_> | yes, I think I may have seen it not change |
| 14:58 | <mdz_> | but I'll have to check |
| 14:58 | <mdz_> | my mythtv machine is destroying itself; it's hung right now and I'm not at home to reset it |
| 14:58 | <rkulagow> | ok, thanks. |
| 15:00 | <poptix> | Chutt: are you clearing the ringbuffer when changing channels now? |
| 15:00 | <Chutt> | yup |
| 15:00 | <Chutt> | easiest way to handle it |
| 15:01 | <poptix> | hmm |
| 15:01 | <poptix> | it incurrs a noticable delay when you've got a large ringbuffer |
| 15:01 | <poptix> | (i've got a 15GB ringbuffer) |
| 15:01 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 15:01 | <Chutt> | yeah, i can imagine that |
| 15:02 | <Chutt> | though |
| 15:02 | <Chutt> | it should just seek back to the beginning and start overwriting it, not completely clear it |
| 15:02 | <poptix> | hmm. |
| 15:02 | <poptix> | one other thing i've been thinking about |
| 15:03 | <poptix> | when changing channels, there's a god awful screeching noise |
| 15:03 | <poptix> | seems to be common with WinTV cards |
| 15:03 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 15:03 | <Chutt> | need to mute the tuner card before the change and unmute it after |
| 15:03 | <Chutt> | should fix that, at least |
| 15:03 | <mdz_> | the seek should be instantaneous with the right filesystem |
| 15:04 | <Chutt> | mdz, yeah, i _think_ i'm just seeking |
| 15:04 | <Chutt> | i might be clearing the file, though, i dunno |
| 15:04 | <mdz_> | truncate(2) on big files on ext[23] is way slow though |
| 15:04 | <poptix> | well, i got sick of the filesystem thread on the list |
| 15:04 | <poptix> | 'this is beter, that is better..' |
| 15:04 | <poptix> | damnit. |
| 15:04 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 15:05 | <Chutt> | that whole discussion was silly |
| 15:05 | <poptix> | this is _not_ the stargate that was supposed to be on TV |
| 15:05 | <Chutt> | it's tv recordings, not mission critical data |
| 15:05 | <Chutt> | just use ext2 for its higher speed |
| 15:05 | <poptix> | Chutt: is there an option somewhere to go ahead and record a duplicate show? |
| 15:05 | <Chutt> | for writing and stuff |
| 15:05 | <Chutt> | poptix, nope |
| 15:05 | <poptix> | alright |
| 15:06 | <poptix> | for some reason the info for Stargate is wrong 50% of the time |
| 15:06 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 15:06 | <poptix> | and i've verified it's wrong in TV guide too =p |
| 15:06 | <poptix> | so it's not a zap2it/xmltv/mythtv issue. |
| 15:26 | <rkulagow> | chutt: i make clean distcleaned, make; make installed still don't get the help text for date and time format to show up. running qt 3.0.5 over here on mdk 9.0. i'll check in the code and see if there are other places where the help text doesn't show up - looks like TunerCardSetting uses similar code, so i'll see what happens there. |
| 15:28 | <mdz_> | rkulagow: I'm running Qt 3.0 on my system as well; it may just be a 3.0 vs. 3.1 thing |
| 15:29 | <rkulagow> | chutt: didn't work for TunerCardInput either. The common feature appears to be ComboBoxSetting |
| 15:29 | <rkulagow> | mdz: could be. |
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| 15:41 | <journey> | anyone arround? I'm having just an impossible time getting the framebuffer TVout to work on a DH matrox G400(works with the matrox X drivers, just not through the framebuffer) . . . anyone who has experience setting this up? |
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| 15:46 | <rkulagow> | journey: check the archives for a thread called "RE: [mythtv] G400-TV capture and playback?", 2003-01-14 |
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| 17:01 | <mdz_> | Chutt: I'm not convinced that obfuscating the CVS login info is creating a significant barrier to entry. I think it's mostly generating a lot of traffic on the mailing list where one person asks for the info, and another person gives it to them or posts a link to the HOWTO |
| 17:02 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 17:02 | <Chutt> | ah well |
| 17:02 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 17:03 | <Chutt> | check out the change i made to globalsettings.cpp |
| 17:03 | <Chutt> | i don't know how it was working before =) |
| 17:07 | <mdz_> | I think I have a lead on why my myth box is unstable |
| 17:07 | <mdz_> | http://pub65.ezboard.com/fk7s5amotherboardforumfrm5.showMessage?topicID=261.topic |
| 17:07 | <nevertheless> | mdz_: oh, you're running a k7s5a? |
| 17:08 | <mdz_> | nevertheless: yep |
| 17:08 | <mdz_> | it was my primary desktop machine for many months with no problems |
| 17:08 | <mdz_> | then it was a myth box for about 5 months with no problems |
| 17:08 | <mdz_> | now it is crashing at least once per day |
| 17:09 | <nevertheless> | hmm, I tried it, too, but I couldn't get the onboard audio to record stuff without bad noise, so I jumped for an epox one |
| 17:09 | <mdz_> | Chutt: wow, I'm amazed that worked before |
| 17:10 | <mdz_> | actually not that amazed...I remember I tried to re-use one of those string args in multiple places and it didn't work |
| 17:10 | <mdz_> | in some SQL |
| 17:10 | <mdz_> | no point in using numbers if they aren't honored, I say |
| 17:12 | <Chutt> | i'm doing something stupid |
| 17:12 | <Chutt> | (updating my unstable install) |
| 17:13 | <rcaskey> | Chutt: nooooo |
| 17:13 | <rcaskey> | KDE 3.1 is going in any day now though |
| 17:13 | <Chutt> | i'm already using cvs kde |
| 17:13 | <rcaskey> | haha |
| 17:13 | <rcaskey> | ;) |
| 17:13 | <rcaskey> | I'm using 3.0.5 still |
| 17:14 | <rcaskey> | I was running 3.1rc's but I did a fresh install after I yanked my GeForce card and didn't need the custom kernel stuff any more |
| 17:14 | <rcaskey> | (anyone wanna trade a Matrox for a pair of GeForce2s?) |
| 17:15 | <mdz_> | Chutt: I sent you some caveats a couple of days ago about qt in unstable, you were idle at the time |
| 17:15 | <Chutt> | ah |
| 17:15 | <mdz_> | upgrading from those unofficial packages is a bit of a pain |
| 17:15 | <Chutt> | well, dselect is all happy |
| 17:15 | <mdz_> | and at the time, the packages in unstable were completely broken (missing stuff needed for qmake to work) |
| 17:15 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 17:15 | <mdz_> | oh, the dependencies resolve fine |
| 17:15 | <Chutt> | does it work ok now? |
| 17:16 | <mdz_> | the problem is that the files conflict |
| 17:16 | <mdz_> | yeah, it works now |
| 17:16 | <mdz_> | you'll need to --force-overwrite some stuff |
| 17:16 | <rcaskey> | btw, any chance of getting this stuff into unstable? |
| 17:16 | <Chutt> | no problem, there |
| 17:16 | <Chutt> | rcaskey, nope |
| 17:16 | <rcaskey> | is there something nonfree? |
| 17:16 | <mdz_> | patents |
| 17:16 | <rcaskey> | on what, xmltv? |
| 17:16 | <mdz_> | MPEG encoding |
| 17:17 | <Chutt> | the guide grid |
| 17:17 | <Chutt> | i'm sure someone's patented digital timeshifting |
| 17:17 | <mdz_> | it might be able to go into non-us if things ever get clarified |
| 17:17 | <Chutt> | but it's mainly the mpeg4 stuff |
| 17:17 | <Chutt> | and the mp3 encoding =) |
| 17:17 | <mdz_> | but right now I think everybody's too nervous |
| 17:17 | <rcaskey> | Chutt: ogg + ...dunno for mpeg4 ;) |
| 17:17 | <Chutt> | ogg's too slow |
| 17:17 | <mdz_> | hell, even red hat doesn't ship mp3 software anymore |
| 17:18 | <Chutt> | and the api sucks for this |
| 17:18 | <mdz_> | rcaskey: theora, but it isn't there yet |
| 17:18 | <Chutt> | and theora hasn't been updated in _months_ |
| 17:18 | <rcaskey> | Chutt: if reencoding gets in, you might could just store it uncompressed if there is enough bandwith to handle it |
| 17:18 | <rcaskey> | and ogg/flacc it later |
| 17:18 | <Chutt> | not even close |
| 17:19 | <rcaskey> | Chutt: what's not? the bandwith or reencoding? |
| 17:19 | <mdz_> | they insist that work is still going on, though |
| 17:19 | <Chutt> | bandwidth |
| 17:19 | <Chutt> | mdz, unless they're doing all development closed, then no |
| 17:19 | <mdz_> | rcaskey: for audio, but not video |
| 17:19 | <rcaskey> | mdz_: yeah |
| 17:19 | <mdz_> | Chutt: maybe it's a really big checkin :-) |
| 17:19 | <mdz_> | word on the mailing list is that some stuff in ogg needed to be changed to support theora, and monty has been working on that |
| 17:20 | <mdz_> | and tremor, and 50 other things |
| 17:20 | <mdz_> | rcaskey: video is the hard one |
| 17:20 | <rcaskey> | mdz_: is that direct tv pci card supported by v4l? |
| 17:20 | <rcaskey> | im dying to do HD |
| 17:20 | <Chutt> | the vorbis guys are making the neuros play oggs, too |
| 17:21 | <rcaskey> | im moving out at the end of this semester |
| 17:21 | <Chutt> | so that's less time for theora |
| 17:22 | <mdz_> | I think that basically amounts to working on tremor |
| 17:22 | <mdz_> | no floating point, right? |
| 17:22 | <Chutt> | well, they're doing firmware mods, too |
| 17:23 | <Chutt> | yeah, no floating point |
| 17:23 | <mdz_> | is ffmpeg getting updated more frequently lately, or are you just synching up more frequently? |
| 17:23 | <Chutt> | i'm just syncing more frequently |
| 17:23 | <Chutt> | there wasn't anything major in what just went in |
| 17:24 | <Chutt> | i did the merge while i was waiting for it to recompile stuff |
| 17:24 | <Chutt> | they've got a CONFIG_RISKY now |
| 17:24 | <Chutt> | disables the mpeg4/wmv/rm codecs |
| 17:25 | <rcaskey> | Chutt: how much more overhead would be associated with funneling everything through VLC before encoding? |
| 17:26 | <rcaskey> | is it even possible to spit out raw streams over VLC? |
| 17:26 | <Chutt> | i wouldn't know |
| 17:26 | <Chutt> | hmm |
| 17:27 | <mdz_> | rcaskey: before encoding? it would be a ridiculous amount of bandwidth |
| 17:27 | <mdz_> | rcaskey: if you have a gigabit network at your disposal maybe |
| 17:27 | <rcaskey> | mdz_: :} |
| 17:27 | <Chutt> | i want to upgrade to gige here |
| 17:27 | <Chutt> | it wouldn't cost all that much |
| 17:27 | <mdz_> | I'm just going to wait, 10gige is coming down |
| 17:27 | <Chutt> | except for the router/access point dealie |
| 17:28 | <rcaskey> | Chutt: yeah, basically it means you cant use an all in one combo WAP dealie |
| 17:28 | <rcaskey> | and I have had aweful results with the one im using now |
| 17:28 | <Chutt> | i like my smc |
| 17:28 | <mdz_> | do they make a gige pcmcia card? |
| 17:28 | <rcaskey> | the only reason my myth server aint running it is because im constricted on pci slots |
| 17:28 | <Chutt> | i don't think pcmcia goes fast enough |
| 17:28 | <rcaskey> | Chutt: horrible experience with d-link here |
| 17:28 | <mdz_> | neither does wireless |
| 17:29 | <mdz_> | or cable/DSL/whatnot |
| 17:29 | <rcaskey> | at this point wireless is right out |
| 17:29 | <rcaskey> | I guess 802.11a/g could handle a stream |
| 17:29 | <Chutt> | i'm just impressed that smc has free 24/7 tech support, i called at 3 am and got someone competend when my router blew up |
| 17:29 | <Chutt> | competent |
| 17:29 | <rcaskey> | mdz_: but for the most part cable/dsl wont work because the hosts are not likely to be on connections with fast upload speeds |
| 17:30 | <Chutt> | mdz, you're going to get someone asking how to get the AIW working as a recording device now |
| 17:30 | <mdz_> | 8-port gigabit switches for under $150 on pricewatch |
| 17:31 | <rcaskey> | mdz_: If Linux is the first OS where you can pop in a DVD or turn on your PVR and immediately have access to the information from anywhere over your LAN, it will draw lots of attention |
| 17:32 | <mdz_> | Chutt: I bet you're chomping at the bit to get that guy's MythTiVo into CVS |
| 17:32 | <rcaskey> | but for that to happen people will need to start making use of SLP or something similar |
| 17:32 | <rcaskey> | MythTiVo? |
| 17:32 | <mdz_> | sounds pretty elegant, what with the 3-stage pipeline with mplayer at the end |
| 17:32 | <mdz_> | rcaskey: mythtv-dev |
| 17:32 | <mdz_> | 8 L Feb 04 usenet@wingert. (2.0K) Re: [mythtv] Crazy Question? |
| 17:33 | <Chutt> | 83MB left on this debian update |
| 17:33 | <mdz_> | I guess I forgot the second sentence about how you need a separate capture card |
| 17:33 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 17:33 | <Chutt> | hmm |
| 17:33 | <Chutt> | i like getting 404s when i go to update things |
| 17:34 | <mdz_> | it's that time of day |
| 17:34 | <_shad> | heh, update before it gets to the mirrors |
| 17:35 | <mdz_> | that's Debian bug #6786 |
| 17:35 | <mdz_> | a very, very old bug |
| 17:35 | <mdz_> | heh, it was accidentally closed |
| 17:36 | <Chutt> | that is old |
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| 18:04 | <rkulagow_> | chutt: i'm going to add "T" for toggling close caption into keys.txt. OK by you? |
| 18:05 | <Chutt> | sure |
| 18:06 | <rkulagow_> | OK, thanks. |
| 18:06 | <Chutt> | not that it works in ntsc-land yet =) |
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| 18:37 | <Chutt> | there |
| 18:37 | <Chutt> | working unstable |
| 18:38 | <vektor> | unstable and working? |
| 18:38 | <vektor> | that unpossible! |
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| 19:08 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 19:08 | <Chutt> | that's broken |
| 19:08 | <Chutt> | $(QTDIR)3/mkspecs |
| 19:08 | <Chutt> | whose bright idea was _that_ |
| 19:08 | <vektor> | hey chutt |
| 19:08 | <Chutt> | hi |
| 19:08 | <vektor> | ahahaha |
| 19:08 | <vektor> | dude, sup :) |
| 19:09 | <Chutt> | not much |
| 19:09 | <vektor> | so, i've decided to do a 'bugreport.c' in tvtime |
| 19:09 | <vektor> | where it dumps to a file shit like /proc/cpuinfo, some X stuff, current load, etc |
| 19:09 | <vektor> | think it's a good idea? |
| 19:09 | <vektor> | i'm thinking it might save me some time |
| 19:10 | <Chutt> | it might |
| 19:10 | <vektor> | it might just also be buggy :) |
| 19:11 | <mdz> | Chutt: eh? QTDIR=/usr/share/qt3 works fine |
| 19:11 | <vektor> | so that will expand to /usr/share/qt33 ? |
| 19:11 | <vektor> | ;) |
| 19:11 | <mdz> | where did that come from? |
| 19:12 | <Chutt> | well, i ran qmake in the top level to regenerate the makefile |
| 19:12 | <Chutt> | and that's what it did |
| 19:12 | <mdz> | weird |
| 19:12 | <mdz> | not for me |
| 19:12 | <vektor> | maybe you're weird :) |
| 19:12 | <mdz> | Makefile: mythtv.pro $(QTDIR)/mkspecs/linux-g++/qmake.conf |
| 19:12 | * vektor | j/k |
| 19:12 | <mdz> | vektor: that much is obvious |
| 19:13 | <Chutt> | if you have QTDIR set to /usr/share/qt3, it works |
| 19:13 | <Chutt> | if it's set to /usr/share/qt, like it needed to be previously, that's what it does |
| 19:13 | <vektor> | _ah_ |
| 19:13 | <vektor> | that is broken |
| 19:14 | <Chutt> | i think it's building happily now |
| 19:14 | <mdz> | I still have to set QMAKESPEC, though. I thought they fixed that |
| 19:14 | <Chutt> | i have to set both |
| 19:15 | <Chutt> | qmake used to be a shell script wrapper that set QTDIR and QMAKESPEC |
| 19:15 | <Chutt> | that was nice |
| 19:15 | <mdz> | ln -s linux-g++ $QTDIR/mkspecs/default |
| 19:15 | <Chutt> | d'ya know a nice easy way to get the total size of all files in a directory? |
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| 19:16 | <mdz> | du -sh <dir> |
| 19:16 | <Chutt> | programmatically |
| 19:16 | <mdz> | if I set that symlink, I don't need QMAKESPEC |
| 19:16 | <mdz> | popen("du -s my_directory") |
| 19:16 | <mdz> | har har |
| 19:16 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 19:16 | <mdz> | no, not in C anyway |
| 19:16 | <mdz> | python has a nice little library for that kind of stuff |
| 19:16 | <Chutt> | i want to make a simple file cache |
| 19:16 | <mdz> | "I can do it in the shell but give me an API" |
| 19:17 | <Chutt> | for remote storage of stuff like the icons and preview pixmaps |
| 19:17 | <mdz> | hmm |
| 19:17 | <mdz> | why not keep it in memory? |
| 19:17 | <Chutt> | don't want to retransmit stuff like the icons |
| 19:17 | <Chutt> | hmm |
| 19:17 | <Chutt> | keeping it in ram would work, though |
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| 19:18 | <Chutt> | transmit once per session |
| 19:18 | <PeteCool> | is there a way to test the Hz rate of the btaudio dsp? |
| 19:18 | <mdz> | I guess it could get big if you have a huge number of recordings |
| 19:19 | <mdz> | but screw it, I say |
| 19:19 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 19:19 | <mdz> | PeteCool: try to record something at a different sampling rate, it will fail if it is not supported |
| 19:19 | <Chutt> | i'll just do it that way for now |
| 19:19 | <mdz> | are the preview pixmaps always a static size? |
| 19:20 | <Chutt> | yup |
| 19:20 | <Chutt> | well |
| 19:20 | <Chutt> | in that frontend instance |
| 19:20 | <Chutt> | they do get scaled to display size |
| 19:21 | <PeteCool> | Chutt: when MythTV fills up it's storage directory/disk, the whole box hangs, do you have any idea why it does that? it (either the kernel or mythtv) should only complain, I think, and not hang |
| 19:21 | <PeteCool> | I filled up my disk many times when doing other things, and it never hung |
| 19:22 | <PeteCool> | do you know if myth might be the source of the hang? |
| 19:22 | <PeteCool> | or do I need to look elsewhere? |
| 19:23 | <Chutt> | mythtv doesn't check for a full disk |
| 19:23 | <PeteCool> | so it'll write and write forever? is that fixable at all? |
| 19:24 | <PeteCool> | or do I need to find some money for a big disk ;) |
| 19:24 | <Chutt> | 'course it's fixable |
| 19:24 | <Chutt> | i just haven't ever gotten around to it |
| 19:25 | <mdz> | mythtv is not causing the whole box to hang |
| 19:25 | <mdz> | though if it is using the same disk as other programs, it can affect those programs |
| 19:26 | <PeteCool> | mdz: the buffer/recordings are on their own disk |
| 19:27 | <PeteCool> | mdz: anyways when I come back and the box is hung the disk is always full up to 0 bytes left, and since the box only does mythtv, I don't see what else might be causing it |
| 19:30 | <mdz> | PeteCool: how are you determining that the box is hung? |
| 19:30 | <PeteCool> | mdz: no keypresses work, no mouse, so ssh access |
| 19:31 | <PeteCool> | hrm |
| 19:31 | <PeteCool> | I mean no ssh |
| 19:31 | <mdz> | how would mythtv cause you to lose ssh access? |
| 19:31 | <PeteCool> | If I knew I'd fix it :) |
| 19:32 | <PeteCool> | usually it means nothing works at all |
| 19:33 | <PeteCool> | it's possible to get out of a hung X, but if the ssh daemon doesn't respond, it's usually because the box is frozen: it can't even let you log in! |
| 19:33 | <PeteCool> | or something like that, I don't know how to say it so it makes sense |
| 19:34 | <mdz> | I think there's a question in the FAQ about this |
| 19:35 | <mdz> | but basically, mythtv cannot hang your system |
| 19:38 | <PeteCool> | but hundreds of undeliverable write requests/commands/whateveryounameit I think might mess up the kernel? |
| 19:44 | <poptix> | hah |
| 19:44 | <poptix> | Changing from None to RecordingOnly |
| 19:44 | <poptix> | mythbackend: Ôû¿¾Oq ¶( |
| 19:46 | <yebyen> | heh |
| 20:23 | <rkulagow> | chutt: i was thinking about adding a check for duplex, and then i realized that once there's a full front/back split, a full duplex sound card won't be required unless they're on the same box. are there any internal variables that can be checked to see if frontend and backend are running on the same PC? |
| 20:26 | <Viddy> | ip |
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| 21:03 | <PeteCool> | are the preemt and lowlatency kernel patches any useful for mythtv? |
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| 21:27 | <vektor> | PeteCool: I have reason to believe the preemptive kernel backport to 2.4 breaks the bttv driver. |
| 21:28 | <vektor> | lowlatency might help avoid some dropped frames if your IDE driver or network driver sucks and someone noticed :) |
| 21:29 | <Justin_> | vektor :):) |
| 21:31 | <PeteCool> | vektor: preempt did work for me with bttv |
| 21:33 | <vektor> | Oh? |
| 21:33 | <vektor> | Hmm... |
| 21:33 | <PeteCool> | I'm using gentoo's 2.4.20 patchset |
| 21:33 | <vektor> | Maybe this is an updated version. Gerd said he would expect problems, and I had a user who's bttv was broke hard using gentoo's 2.4.19. |
| 21:33 | <vektor> | Maybe someone fixed a bug. |
| 21:33 | <vektor> | He had some _fucked_up_ bttv problems. |
| 21:34 | <vektor> | But if someone fixed a bug, it wasn't Gerd. :) |
| 21:34 | <PeteCool> | now I need to figure out why I heard a hard disk powering up... this is most probably why I see hangs. But the damn things are plugged in right, and fully in! :( |
| 21:40 | <Justin_> | Your order has completed step 5 of 5. Here is your invoice # 1890395. |
| 21:40 | <Justin_> | weeeeee:) |
| 21:40 | <Justin_> | its already in boston, will probably get here tomorrow:):) |
| 21:42 | <PeteCool> | Justin_: what have you ordered? |
| 21:42 | <Justin_> | ati tv wonder |
| 21:43 | <SoopaKDE> | so what's new in mythtv land? |
| 21:48 | <PeteCool> | what about the new themes? are they getting in cvs soon? |
| 21:52 | <Chutt> | i'm not going to put them into cvs |
| 21:54 | <PeteCool> | Chutt: why not? |
| 21:54 | <Chutt> | because that would be silly |
| 21:55 | <PeteCool> | Chutt: if they're good, why not? (I haven't tried them yet - but they will someday be good if the authors keep working on them) |
| 21:55 | <Chutt> | why bloat the cvs tree for stuff that doesn't need to be in there? |
| 21:58 | <mdz> | so I did the heatsink surgery on my motherboard, hopefully the mythbox will be stable again |
| 21:58 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 21:59 | <Chutt> | so a global context is lookin mighty nice right now |
| 21:59 | <mdz> | rkulagow: do you know anyone who has bought that staples PC? it sounds like a pretty good deal, even for a compaq |
| 21:59 | <mdz> | heh |
| 21:59 | <SoopaKDE> | mdz, what machine? |
| 22:02 | <mdz> | SoopaKDE: on the mailing list |
| 22:03 | <mdz> | ah, the mailing list |
| 22:03 | <mdz> | "runs Linux anyway, so you know the hardware's supported" |
| 22:04 | <SoopaKDE> | heheh |
| 22:04 | <PeteCool> | is the TiVo tuner even close to a bttv type? |
| 22:04 | <SoopaKDE> | i guess i should get up on the mailing list? |
| 22:04 | <SoopaKDE> | err no "?" |
| 22:04 | <Justin_> | the tv on the tivo is the least of the problems |
| 22:04 | <Justin_> | you kinda need access to their encoder board |
| 22:09 | <rkulagow> | mdz: no, i don't. the website keeps timing out. |
| 22:15 | <vektor> | mdz: That's hilarious. |
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| 22:22 | <rkulagow> | mdz: were you able to confirm the help text thsa i added for the date and time format shows up? i'm wondering if this is a qt 3.0 vs. 3.1 issue since chutt can see it. |
| 22:27 | <mdz> | well shit |
| 22:27 | <mdz> | still fails memtest86 |
| 22:27 | <mdz> | rkulagow: I cannot do anything useful with mythtv until this hardware problem is solved |
| 22:28 | <rkulagow> | eek, sorry to hear about your problems. |
| 22:29 | <mdz> | I have tried everything |
| 22:30 | <mdz> | soon I am going to have to assume that the board is fried |
| 22:30 | <mdz> | anybody know of a good cheap socket a board for my 1.4GHz athlon? |
| 22:34 | <mdz> | or know of any other hidden problems with the k7s5a that I can try to solve before I smash it? |
| 22:35 | <mdz> | "IMHO, an XBox seems like a great Myth FrontEnd" |
| 22:35 | <mdz> | things like this tempt me to unsubscribe |
| 22:41 | <Viddy> | i have a a7v 133a that works well with mine |
| 22:41 | <Viddy> | its stable as a ****** ****** |
| 22:41 | <Viddy> | (good) |
| 22:45 | <SoopaKDE> | mdz, someone did myth frontend on xbox? |
| 22:46 | <mdz> | SoopaKDE: of course not. just people talking out of their asses |
| 22:47 | <SoopaKDE> | heheheh |
| 22:47 | <SoopaKDE> | ass talkers are funny |
| 22:52 | <Chutt> | hmm |
| 22:52 | <Chutt> | almost done with remote preview pixmaps |
| 22:53 | <mdz> | hey, all I have to do is clock it down to 1ghz and it's sortof stable |
| 22:53 | <mdz> | too bad I can't actually do anything at that speed |
| 22:53 | <mdz> | like, record and playback |
| 22:53 | <Chutt> | that sucks |
| 22:54 | <mdz> | I just got my other PC stable again and the myth box is failing |
| 22:54 | <mdz> | it's a disease |
| 22:55 | <Chutt> | made the preview pixmap stuff use the seek table |
| 22:56 | <Chutt> | so it doesn't suck anymore |
| 22:56 | <mdz> | good, because I can't use the live preview anymore |
| 22:57 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 22:59 | <mdz> | I always hated this board, I was glad to replace my desktop with something else |
| 22:59 | <mdz> | but still it haunts me |
| 23:00 | <mdz> | hardware prices don't seem to be falling as fast as they were a year ago |
| 23:00 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 23:00 | <Chutt> | so you did get the replacement ram? |
| 23:00 | <mdz> | yeah, didn't fix it |
| 23:00 | <Chutt> | figures |
| 23:00 | <mdz> | then I read an article about how some moron attached the chipset heatsink on this board using double-sided tape instead of thermal compound |
| 23:00 | <mdz> | and a lot of people had instability from that |
| 23:00 | <Chutt> | yeah, saw that |
| 23:00 | <mdz> | so I ripped it off and put it on right |
| 23:01 | <mdz> | and still it sucks |
| 23:01 | <Chutt> | could be the cpu, then |
| 23:01 | <mdz> | could even be the chipset problem, and it was damaged from being too hot for who knows how long |
| 23:02 | <mdz> | it works very hard |
| 23:02 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 23:02 | <mdz> | I would expect it to be more unstable if it were the cpu |
| 23:03 | <mdz> | if it were, then I might as well buy a whole new motherboard and cpu |
| 23:03 | <mdz> | and I'd have to get new ram to match, I have no ddr |
| 23:03 | <mdz> | but I think I've bitched about this enough |
| 23:03 | <mdz> | time to go to bed |
| 23:04 | <Chutt> | g'nite |
| 23:27 | <rkulagow> | moegreen: seems to run ok here. |
| 23:28 | <moegreen> | rkulagow: sounds good, i just committed it |
| 23:28 | <rkulagow> | cool. |
| 23:32 | <rkulagow> | moegreen: font sizes are hardcoded? i see 18*hmult for time, etc. |
| 23:32 | <moegreen> | yeah, i haven't changed that just yet. I should be able to use the big/medium/small font sizes |
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| 23:55 | <poptix> | christ |
| 23:55 | <poptix> | what's with people quoting whole threads in their email to say 3 words/ |
| 23:56 | <poptix> | there's 7 layers deep worth of >'s in this message |
