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| 00:03 | <Markie> | frig it |
| 00:06 | <PeteCool> | go to the 2nd item (the top right one) |
| 00:07 | <Markie> | woah.. |
| 00:07 | <Markie> | i think we're on two different planets |
| 00:07 | <Markie> | are you using the latest CVS? |
| 00:07 | <DJHaCK> | I hate to ask this but what's the syntax for download from cvs ? I never remember it and reading man pages on a ntsc tv is painful ! |
| 00:08 | <Markie> | DJHACK: the cvs is currently down right now |
| 00:08 | <DJHaCK> | oh ok too bad , I'll use 0.7 then |
| 00:08 | <Markie> | petecool, i changed the quality from 170 to 255 |
| 00:08 | <Markie> | it's working good. |
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| 00:29 | -!- | Topic for #mythtv set by Chutt at Thu Jan 9 14:19:41 |
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| 10:06 | <Markie> | morning all |
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| 10:32 | <DJHaCK> | argg mythfilldatabase takes forever on a 56k ! |
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| 11:45 | <rkulagow> | chutt, you here? |
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| 12:46 | <DJHaCK> | is it normal that mythfilldatabase takes more than 3 hours on a 56k ? I have the impression it's doing the same thing over and over ! |
| 12:46 | <poptix> | DJHaCK: read the output |
| 12:47 | <DJHaCK> | oh |
| 12:48 | <DJHaCK> | I though it was doing 1 month per line |
| 12:49 | <DJHaCK> | in 3 hours it only downloaded 5 days worth of schedule argg ! |
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| 13:43 | <hurdel> | howdy |
| 13:43 | <hurdel> | is cvs unavailable right now? |
| 13:46 | <hurdel> | i can't login |
| 13:46 | <nevertheless> | hmmm,seems so, it was offline yesterday, too |
| 13:47 | <nevertheless> | probably due to the security thing |
| 13:47 | <hurdel> | that's some pretty tight security |
| 13:48 | <nevertheless> | there is a severe security hole in a cvs-server version (just for the case, you didn't know that) |
| 13:48 | <hurdel> | oh ya, that's right, i just updated mine today :D |
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| 14:05 | <hurdel> | anybody heard when cvs will become available again? |
| 14:06 | <nevertheless> | I don't know... I did't see Chutt a 'long' time here |
| 14:10 | <hurdel> | hmm, is he back home? i think he was away for a while |
| 14:17 | <nevertheless> | i don't know |
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| 14:55 | <sward_2> | chutt around? |
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| 15:13 | <nevertheless> | rkulagow: around? |
| 15:19 | <rkulagow> | yes |
| 15:20 | <nevertheless> | this is quite OT, but unfortunatly I cannot find any keyserver that has your signing key... any idea? |
| 15:21 | <rkulagow> | huh. ldap://keyserver.pgp.com shows my current key when i did a search. |
| 15:23 | <rkulagow> | i just uploaded to mit.edu as well; shows up in the search i just did. want to check again? |
| 15:23 | <nevertheless> | i cannot find it using pgp.com... but maybe its my fault... |
| 15:24 | <nevertheless> | ah, on mit.edu i now find it |
| 15:25 | <nevertheless> | but ldap://keyserver.pgp.com gives me no key for your ID |
| 15:25 | <nevertheless> | so now even kmail gets along with your key :-) |
| 15:28 | <rkulagow> | hooray. |
| 15:31 | <nevertheless> | this doesn't sound very enthusiastic :-) |
| 15:32 | <rkulagow> | ok, hooray!!!1!!!!!1!!!!! |
| 15:32 | <nevertheless> | :-) |
| 15:32 | <nevertheless> | this is better |
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| 15:42 | <[DJ]HaCK-U10> | is there a way I can download channel listings from work burn them on a cd and bring them home instead of downloading them from 56K at home ? |
| 16:01 | <poptix> | [DJ][DJ]HaCK-U10: christ man, just deal with it |
| 16:02 | <poptix> | run it in the background when you aren't using it |
| 16:02 | <poptix> | the first time it runs it takes longer |
| 16:03 | <poptix> | afterwards it only has to grab 2 days worth |
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| 16:23 | <TheAsp> | hmmm |
| 16:23 | <TheAsp> | im getting periodic half second pauses lately |
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| 16:33 | <nevertheless> | TheAsp: you mean crappy audio/video repeatingly? |
| 16:37 | <hurdel> | that credit card storage device Patrick Pflaum posted on the mailing list looks amazing |
| 16:38 | <hurdel> | http://www.idg.net/ic_1020878_9677_1-5042.html |
| 16:46 | <TheAsp> | no |
| 16:47 | <TheAsp> | just a short pause |
| 16:47 | <nevertheless> | hmmm, recently I get crappy audio/video for half a sec. rep. |
| 16:49 | <TheAsp> | like every now and then? |
| 16:49 | <TheAsp> | or constantly |
| 16:49 | <nevertheless> | yepp |
| 16:49 | <nevertheless> | no, every say 2 minutes or so |
| 16:51 | <nevertheless> | or less |
| 16:52 | <TheAsp> | o |
| 16:52 | <nevertheless> | i mean, 2 minutes or more, say 3 or 4 |
| 16:52 | <nevertheless> | not less ;) |
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| 18:47 | <TheAsp> | is there a patch for mplayer to play myth's nuvs or just standard nuvs? |
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| 20:26 | <Markie> | ok...question.. |
| 20:26 | <Markie> | any myth developers here? |
| 20:26 | <rkulagow> | send it. |
| 20:26 | <Markie> | ok. |
| 20:26 | <Markie> | since mythtv uses nupplevideoplayer, and that uses libavcodec.. |
| 20:26 | <Markie> | and mplayer just uses libavcodec.. |
| 20:27 | <Markie> | i want to make mythvideo be able to directly play videos, instead of spawning off mplayer. |
| 20:27 | <Markie> | cani assume that i kinda just need to make an instnac of nupplevideoplayer |
| 20:27 | <Markie> | and do some munging ? |
| 20:28 | <[TheAsp]> | my pvr is going to do that :) |
| 20:28 | <Markie> | what do you mean? |
| 20:28 | <[TheAsp]> | the one i'm thinking of writing |
| 20:28 | <Markie> | why write, work on mythtv instead. |
| 20:29 | <[TheAsp]> | different goals |
| 20:29 | <Markie> | what are your goals? |
| 20:29 | <SoopaVillan> | hahahah |
| 20:29 | <[TheAsp]> | to use gstreamer, c# and gtk :) |
| 20:29 | <SoopaVillan> | Markie, steal mythtv code base, add tv support |
| 20:29 | <SoopaVillan> | :) |
| 20:29 | <SoopaVillan> | err video playback support |
| 20:29 | <Markie> | heh |
| 20:30 | <Markie> | soopavillen, it already have video playback support |
| 20:30 | <Markie> | i wanna make it better |
| 20:30 | <Markie> | theasp: kinda reinventing the wheel? |
| 20:30 | <[TheAsp]> | you'd have an easier time making mplayer be a mythtv replacement then getting mythtv to be able to play anything |
| 20:30 | <Markie> | why's that? |
| 20:30 | <Markie> | they both use the same av libraries |
| 20:31 | <[TheAsp]> | not really |
| 20:31 | <Markie> | explain. |
| 20:31 | <SoopaVillan> | Markie, ask chutt |
| 20:31 | <SoopaVillan> | that is your best bet |
| 20:31 | <SoopaVillan> | chutt or mdz |
| 20:31 | <Markie> | yea, i didnt know if anyone was here that could have the info.. |
| 20:32 | <Markie> | i'll just go through it manually for now..i should look at that code myself to add the other stuff i plan to add. |
| 20:36 | <Chutt> | i'd prefer to have it just call mplayer for now |
| 20:36 | <Chutt> | the libnuppelvideo stuff only parses .nuv |
| 20:36 | <Chutt> | you'd have to add in other format readers |
| 20:37 | <Markie> | i was actually gonna grap the libavformat too |
| 20:37 | <Markie> | they kinda go hand in hand |
| 20:37 | <Chutt> | eh |
| 20:37 | <Chutt> | but, yeah, that's how to do it |
| 20:38 | <Markie> | ok..i'll give it a shot.. |
| 20:38 | <Markie> | cause i'd liek to be able to do "PIP" with a movie file and TV |
| 20:38 | <Chutt> | why don't you finish what you were working on with the video stuff first, check that all in, then start on that? |
| 20:38 | <Markie> | ok |
| 20:39 | <Markie> | i'll finish what i'm dong..cause this other stuff, you might not like! :^) |
| 20:40 | * Markie | is trying to do way too much at one time |
| 20:41 | <SoopaVillan> | heh |
| 20:41 | <SoopaVillan> | everyone does |
| 20:41 | <SoopaVillan> | no worries |
| 20:42 | <Markie> | the good thing is that i _really_ likt QT |
| 20:43 | <Markie> | it's the first toolkit that to me is worth it. |
| 20:43 | <Markie> | everything else has been crap through the years. |
| 20:44 | <Markie> | i'm very impressed. |
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| 21:05 | <Markie> | my themes broke :^( |
| 21:05 | <Markie> | my themes broke :^( |
| 21:27 | <poptix> | Chutt: did you see my patch on the mailing list? |
| 21:28 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 21:28 | <Chutt> | i'm sorry, i've been really busy the past couple days |
| 21:28 | <poptix> | i'm fairly sure my function naming scheme is unacceptable =) |
| 21:28 | <poptix> | no problem |
| 21:28 | <poptix> | just wanted to make sure it didn't slip through the cracks. |
| 21:29 | <Chutt> | i'll try to get it merged in tonight, ok? |
| 21:29 | <poptix> | alrighty |
| 21:29 | <Chutt> | not that it matters, i'm still waiting for a fixed cvs deb |
| 21:29 | * poptix | pets apt-get upgrade on redhat |
| 21:29 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 21:29 | <Chutt> | debian's just slow, is all |
| 21:29 | <poptix> | i had an updated rpm before it hit /. =P |
| 21:30 | <Chutt> | i had it shut off way before it hit /. |
| 21:30 | <Chutt> | and if i wasn't running unstable on that box, it'dve been fixed |
| 21:31 | <poptix> | btw, the whole btaudio thing seems to have caught on |
| 21:31 | <poptix> | i'll write a short entry for the FAQ for people to try using it first |
| 21:31 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 21:32 | <Chutt> | ok |
| 21:32 | <poptix> | try to scrape together a list of cards that support it |
| 21:32 | <poptix> | .. |
| 21:32 | <poptix> | it's a lot easier than walking people through sound cards, mixers, and loopback cables |
| 21:33 | <poptix> | and of course, the 'i hear audio after mythtv exits' and 'why is the sound/video out of sync!?' questions |
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| 21:34 | <Chutt> | those are already in the faq |
| 21:34 | <Chutt> | question 4, i think |
| 21:34 | <poptix> | yeah |
| 21:35 | <poptix> | people ask anyway |
| 21:35 | <Chutt> | that's because people can't read |
| 21:35 | <Chutt> | =) |
| 21:35 | <poptix> | yeah |
| 21:35 | <poptix> | "99% of the people looking for help on IRC can't read" |
| 21:35 | <poptix> | =) |
| 21:35 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 21:35 | <poptix> | that's from #perl on efnet |
| 21:36 | <Chutt> | ok, your patch is in my tree |
| 21:36 | <poptix> | =) |
| 21:36 | <Chutt> | hasn't been checked in or anything |
| 21:36 | <poptix> | alrighty. |
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| 21:36 | <poptix> | i'm still looking at this left aligned/centered channel name/number thing in the EPG |
| 21:36 | <Chutt> | i'm doing an update of the included libavcodec |
| 21:36 | <poptix> | i don't think it's worth another option |
| 21:36 | <poptix> | do you care if it's centered or left aligned? |
| 21:37 | <Chutt> | in which epg style? |
| 21:37 | <poptix> | alternate EPG |
| 21:37 | <Chutt> | i like it centered in the normal one |
| 21:37 | <Chutt> | and i don't really use the alternate |
| 21:37 | <Chutt> | ask moegreen next time he's around, that's all his code |
| 21:37 | <poptix> | alright. |
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| 21:37 | <Markie> | blah |
| 21:45 | <Chutt> | the lindows dumbass never responded to my suggestion to use a real distribution |
| 21:45 | <Chutt> | funny, that |
| 21:45 | <poptix> | heh. |
| 21:46 | <poptix> | if he's getting paid to work on lindows, i kind of doubt he'll be moving his work to another distro =p |
| 21:46 | <Chutt> | well, i'm really not sure what kind of work he does |
| 21:46 | <Chutt> | the whole 'what's gdb' question was... |
| 21:46 | <vektor> | What's wrong with the Lindows distribution? |
| 21:46 | <vektor> | Does it fuck something up? |
| 21:46 | <vektor> | I'm just curious. |
| 21:47 | <Chutt> | vektor, not that i know of |
| 21:47 | <poptix> | but, no matter how crappy lindows is, if they can get connexant to be more open source friendly, then more power to them |
| 21:47 | <Chutt> | he says he has a driver for their new chip "in house" |
| 21:47 | <poptix> | vektor: they're reinventing the wheel with their package management i believe |
| 21:47 | <poptix> | but *shrug* |
| 21:47 | <poptix> | i'm not forced to use it .. |
| 21:47 | <Chutt> | vektor, this guy was recompiling qt for some weird reason |
| 21:47 | <Chutt> | and continually fucking it up |
| 21:48 | <Chutt> | and emailing my list 'help!! i can't compile it anymore!' |
| 21:48 | <Chutt> | then he'd wait 6 hours, and email the same thing again |
| 21:48 | <poptix> | Chutt: well, the first one obviously didn't go through! |
| 21:48 | <poptix> | or the second, or third ;) |
| 21:48 | <vektor> | Why is he compiling Qt... |
| 21:48 | <vektor> | Sounds busted. |
| 21:48 | <Chutt> | i don't know |
| 21:48 | <poptix> | vektor: because the packaged one is/was busted. |
| 21:48 | <Chutt> | was it? |
| 21:49 | <vektor> | poptix: So why hasn't whomever packaged it fixed it? |
| 21:49 | <vektor> | Sounds like the wrong solution by far. |
| 21:49 | <Chutt> | he compiled mythtv properly earlier |
| 21:49 | <Chutt> | i didn't follow the entire sordid story, though |
| 21:49 | <poptix> | odd. |
| 21:49 | <vektor> | Heh |
| 21:49 | <poptix> | mplex turned a 3.2GB mpeg into a 2.0G and 143M VOB |
| 21:50 | <poptix> | actually, i think the demuxer did that |
| 21:50 | <Markie> | what the heck change with the htemed widgets? |
| 21:50 | * poptix | blahs |
| 21:50 | <Markie> | what the heck changed with the themed widgets? |
| 21:50 | <Markie> | it isn't pulling the the colors anymore |
| 21:50 | <Chutt> | you need a database connection to get the theme |
| 21:50 | <poptix> | guh. |
| 21:51 | <Markie> | i got one |
| 21:51 | <Chutt> | not when you're loading the theme you don't |
| 21:51 | <poptix> | anyone recall exactly what needs to be done to make a program large-file aware? |
| 21:51 | <poptix> | nevermind. |
| 21:51 | <Markie> | poptix: jsut add O_LARGFILE to the open call |
| 21:51 | <Chutt> | the defines in settings.pro |
| 21:52 | <Chutt> | markie, current mythvideo cvs does not compile |
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| 21:52 | <Markie> | compiles for me..but i'm gonna blow it away now and get a clean cvs |
| 21:52 | <Chutt> | markie, anyway, you need to open the db connection before you call the LoadQtConfig() |
| 21:52 | <Chutt> | is all |
| 21:52 | <Chutt> | and then themes and stuff'll work again |
| 21:53 | <Markie> | ok..thanks.. |
| 21:53 | <Markie> | umm..what error are you getting when compiling? |
| 21:53 | <Chutt> | lirc stuff |
| 21:53 | <Chutt> | i'd really rather it wasn't its own client |
| 21:53 | <Markie> | oh yea.. i realized i had it enabled by default.. |
| 21:53 | <Markie> | i meant to #define them out |
| 21:53 | <Markie> | ok lemme fix both things and re-commit |
| 21:57 | <Markie> | so just move QSqlDatabase::addDatabase("QMYSQL3"); |
| 21:57 | <Markie> | before the LoadQtConfig ? |
| 21:58 | <Chutt> | and the call to OpenDatabase() |
| 21:59 | <poptix> | Chutt: if i whip up some callerid stuff to display on screen when there's an incoming call, would you add it to the CVS? |
| 21:59 | <Chutt> | sure |
| 22:00 | <[TheAsp]> | How hard would it be to get all the windows to use the same window? :) |
| 22:00 | <poptix> | i don't really want to integrate it into mythtv, but i really like the fonts and alpha blending with the OSD |
| 22:00 | <Chutt> | theasp, why bother? |
| 22:00 | <Chutt> | poptix, yeah, that's the only reason to do it |
| 22:01 | <[TheAsp]> | *shrug* |
| 22:01 | <Chutt> | it wouldn't be all that hard, but there's nothing really wrong with how it works now |
| 22:01 | <poptix> | Chutt: i don't suppose you'd be willing to add a listening socket for stuff that needs to be displayed as an OSD |
| 22:01 | <poptix> | something very simple |
| 22:01 | <Chutt> | poptix, hmm |
| 22:01 | <poptix> | Chutt: it would make a lot of things a lot easier, and cleaner =) |
| 22:01 | <rkulagow> | chutt, i sent you an email about that sound patch i had submitted. on thinking about it, there are a few things wrong with it. 1) it was in the main() of mythfrontend and 2) the functions that i was doing should have been seperated more; the frontend doesn't need to set the recording source - that's the job of the backend. (there are more things wrong, i'm sure) |
| 22:02 | <Chutt> | rkulagow, exactly what i meant by it being in the wrong place |
| 22:02 | <Chutt> | also, you don't always want those settings |
| 22:02 | <Chutt> | the line-in isn't always the input |
| 22:02 | <Chutt> | etc |
| 22:03 | <rkulagow> | right. a more generic method would use setup to get those sorts of parameters rather than them being hard coded. |
| 22:03 | <poptix> | rkulagow: i don't think coding around peoples illiteracy is a particularly good idea. |
| 22:04 | <Markie> | poptix: i'm working on all of that.. |
| 22:04 | <Markie> | a listening api method to communicate with mythtv |
| 22:04 | <Markie> | along with all the modules more integrated into mythtv |
| 22:05 | <Chutt> | it already has a simple mechanism to pass info from the backend to the frontend |
| 22:05 | <poptix> | Markie: i'd like a simple API for displaying things via an OSD |
| 22:05 | <Markie> | poptix: yes, thats what i'm talking about. |
| 22:05 | <Chutt> | wouldn't be too terribly difficult to add a listening socket to that |
| 22:05 | <poptix> | there are plenty of uses for things like a callerid application that really don't belong in mythtv, and don't need to be except to pass on the info |
| 22:05 | <Markie> | but also to have a little more control of the frontend too |
| 22:06 | <Markie> | i.e. tell the fornt end to pause the tv that playing, and dispaly the callerid |
| 22:06 | <[TheAsp]> | chutt: I think the OSD would look alot better if the current tv signal was in the background, thats why I asked :) |
| 22:06 | <[TheAsp]> | err |
| 22:06 | <[TheAsp]> | not osd |
| 22:06 | <poptix> | Markie: what do you have done so far? |
| 22:06 | <[TheAsp]> | epg, and the rest of the menus |
| 22:06 | <Chutt> | theasp, ah |
| 22:07 | <Chutt> | could be done |
| 22:07 | <Chutt> | but i really don't think it'd be worth the effort |
| 22:07 | <Chutt> | i could alpha blend the entire epg into the video, but it'd be rather bad on cpu |
| 22:07 | <[TheAsp]> | could unload the epg update time :) |
| 22:07 | <poptix> | Chutt: what's he talking about? |
| 22:07 | <poptix> | erk |
| 22:07 | <[TheAsp]> | that isnt done by the card? |
| 22:07 | <poptix> | that's what the alternate EPG is for =P |
| 22:07 | <rkulagow> | poptix: i think that manipulating the mixer, since it's pretty simple with OSS calls would be a good thing. and besides, don't we want mythtv to be Lindows Certified? :) |
| 22:07 | <Chutt> | theasp, nope |
| 22:08 | <poptix> | rkulagow: i wish all these cards supported btaudio |
| 22:08 | <poptix> | rkulagow: then it wouldn't be an issue. |
| 22:08 | <[TheAsp]> | ah |
| 22:08 | <Chutt> | the render extension doesn't do yuv video, iirc |
| 22:08 | <Markie> | poptix: umm acouple of things, i incorporate lirc into the mythvideo, really for testing than anything else.. |
| 22:08 | <Markie> | but it's the basis for it listening in on a socket |
| 22:08 | <vektor> | The render extension is just for alpha compositing with what's in the framebuffer. |
| 22:08 | <vektor> | So it won't work on overlay surfaces. |
| 22:08 | <vektor> | Plus, it reads back from video memory, so it's ass-slow. |
| 22:08 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 22:09 | <Markie> | and i started figuring out how to hanble C++ callbacks...so ideally each module is a callback |
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| 22:09 | <poptix> | Markie: sounds overly complicated for what I want to do =) |
| 22:09 | <Markie> | and each module has a set of controls |
| 22:09 | <rkulagow> | poptix: i wish they did too. i've been trying to get my pinnacle to work, and although btaudio installs the dsp devices, it ain't working. still playing around with it. |
| 22:09 | <Markie> | poptix: oh it is...what i'm trying to do i real craxzy.. |
| 22:09 | <poptix> | rkulagow: have you tried both devices? |
| 22:09 | <poptix> | Markie: have you ever messed with LCDd? |
| 22:10 | <Markie> | i want all the modules to integrate into each other |
| 22:10 | <Markie> | poptix: no LCDd. |
| 22:10 | <poptix> | rkulagow: try this: sox -w -r 32000 -t ossdsp /dev/dsp2 -t ossdsp /dev/dsp |
| 22:10 | <Markie> | i want a webcam module ,that if it senses movement will pop open a PIP window while i'm watching TV |
| 22:10 | <poptix> | rkulagow: swap dsp2 for dsp3 if that one doesn't work |
| 22:10 | <Markie> | things like that...real funky integration. |
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| 22:11 | <poptix> | Markie: something like that could be easily done by an external program that tells the backend to open a PiP on the selected input/channel |
| 22:11 | <Markie> | poptix: exactly... |
| 22:11 | <poptix> | i've also done motion detection stuff =) |
| 22:11 | <Markie> | so for me theres two things #1,that socket based api |
| 22:11 | <poptix> | on my Axis 2100 network camera |
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| 22:12 | <Markie> | actually it's needed in the frontend i think, not the backend |
| 22:12 | <poptix> | whichever |
| 22:12 | <Markie> | and #2, tighter integration between the modules. |
| 22:12 | <poptix> | frontend i suppose, since it's displaying the video |
| 22:12 | <Markie> | the thighter integration is defintely not anecessity..and would be done later.. |
| 22:13 | <Markie> | i just dont liek each program doing the same initialization each time. |
| 22:13 | <poptix> | Markie: why not work out the API first, then work on the other items |
| 22:13 | <Markie> | poptix: ok |
| 22:13 | <Markie> | ohhh...heres the real problem.. |
| 22:13 | <poptix> | ie, things the API should be able to do, and items it should be able to control |
| 22:13 | <Markie> | which goes into the integrtion part.. |
| 22:13 | <Markie> | because right now, each module is independent, mythfrontend doesnt really know what's going on.. |
| 22:14 | <Markie> | i.e. the network api would probably be something like: if watchign live TV, paus it and display callerid. |
| 22:14 | <Markie> | if it's just in the menu sytem, jsut dispaly ther callerid. |
| 22:14 | <poptix> | but myth* doesn't need to know anything about that |
| 22:14 | <Markie> | right now mythfrontend doesnt really know what state it's in. |
| 22:15 | <Markie> | why doesnt myth* need to know? depending on what module is runnign and in what state, you may want something different done. |
| 22:15 | <Markie> | i'm really being picky, and yes, i fully agree the network socket is what i'll start on..but it just convinces me that i need to do the other too :^) |
| 22:15 | <poptix> | my little perl program will connect to the socket and say 'PAUSE VIDEO' 'CREATE OSD 10 10 5 <text>' (10x10 box, display for 5 seconds) 'UNPAUSE VIDEO' |
| 22:16 | <Markie> | well, ideally your perl script would say: |
| 22:16 | <Markie> | Current State? |
| 22:16 | <Markie> | mythtv: watching live tv |
| 22:16 | <Markie> | PAUS TV |
| 22:16 | <Markie> | ...blah..blah.. |
| 22:16 | <Markie> | poptix: have you use xosd and osdsh? |
| 22:16 | <poptix> | yeah |
| 22:16 | <Markie> | thats what i'm using now for my callerid |
| 22:17 | <Markie> | it works great |
| 22:17 | <poptix> | xosd doesn't look nearly as nice. |
| 22:17 | <vektor> | xosd is crap. |
| 22:17 | <Markie> | have you adjusted the fonts? |
| 22:17 | <Markie> | here, try this: |
| 22:17 | <poptix> | Markie: LCDd, which is what most people use for LCD displays, has a whole widget system |
| 22:17 | <vektor> | it looks like garbage. |
| 22:17 | <poptix> | yeah, i've used different fonts |
| 22:17 | <vektor> | and the api is quite limited. |
| 22:17 | <Chutt> | xosd is silly. |
| 22:17 | <poptix> | i want a nice alpha blended box like the OSD in mythtv that contains my text |
| 22:17 | <vektor> | Chutt: agreed. |
| 22:17 | <poptix> | =) |
| 22:18 | <Chutt> | i looked at it before i threw it away and wrote my own osd code |
| 22:18 | <Markie> | dset(f,-*-helvetica-*-*-*-*-*-350-*-*-*-*-*-*) |
| 22:18 | <vektor> | Chutt: i used it in movietime |
| 22:18 | <Chutt> | i said, 'gee, this is silly' |
| 22:18 | <vektor> | it's silly though. |
| 22:18 | <Markie> | it looks much nicer |
| 22:18 | <vektor> | plus in a dvd player you need to composite anyway for subtitles |
| 22:18 | <vektor> | so why not do a real osd composited on. |
| 22:18 | <Markie> | chutt: oh, i agree..if it was incorporated into mythtv directly the better.. |
| 22:18 | <poptix> | Markie: it's not a matter of how the fonts look, it's the lack of any other visual items to bring it out |
| 22:18 | <vektor> | freetype sucks ass though |
| 22:18 | <vektor> | for osd work |
| 22:18 | <vektor> | Chutt: one reason our fonts look like crap is because of freetype |
| 22:18 | <Chutt> | of course |
| 22:18 | <vektor> | Chutt: we need to do our own text renderer |
| 22:18 | <Markie> | but for the poor hackers, it's a quick way to get what you want done :^) |
| 22:19 | <Chutt> | freetype ain't meant for this type of display |
| 22:19 | <vektor> | the freetype antialiaser is ridiculously bad for non-square-pixel output. |
| 22:19 | <vektor> | it uses analytic pixel coverage |
| 22:19 | <poptix> | Markie: have you looked at my callerid stuff? |
| 22:19 | <Markie> | Chutt: is the osd in mythtv a seperate widget? |
| 22:19 | <vektor> | and the box filter is a poor antialiaser. |
| 22:19 | <Markie> | poptix: no i havent seen your stuff. |
| 22:19 | <poptix> | Markie: http://www.poptix.net/cid-1.9.tgz |
| 22:19 | <Markie> | Chutt: like can i jsut create an instnace of it and it'll do everything? |
| 22:19 | <Chutt> | no |
| 22:20 | <Chutt> | well |
| 22:20 | <poptix> | Markie: i've got the LCDd client for that somewhere, so it displays the information on my crystalfontz 40x4 LCD screen |
| 22:20 | <Chutt> | you just have to create subtypes |
| 22:20 | <Chutt> | like, an OSDTypeText |
| 22:20 | <Chutt> | or whatever i call it |
| 22:20 | <Chutt> | to display a textbox on screen |
| 22:20 | <Chutt> | it's a really simple api |
| 22:20 | <Chutt> | anyway |
| 22:20 | <Chutt> | i'm outta here, bbl |
| 22:20 | <Markie> | but is is tightly tied to the mythtv/nuppelvideoplayer..e.tc |
| 22:20 | <Markie> | ok..ngiht night |
| 22:21 | <Markie> | I actually ont have the callerid stuff...i dont have callerid. i have simple phone ringing notification. |
| 22:22 | <vektor> | Markie: are you trying to do an OSD for an app you've written? |
| 22:22 | <Markie> | it displays on screen that the phone is ringing, and pauses live tv or a video |
| 22:22 | <vektor> | Markie: i have alot of modular osd scanline functions |
| 22:22 | <Markie> | no, jsut for my videoserver at home. |
| 22:22 | <vektor> | Markie: you could easily plug them into your app |
| 22:22 | <vektor> | Markie: they're for output to y'cbcr surfaces though |
| 22:22 | <vektor> | well, some could also be used for rgba output |
| 22:23 | <vektor> | like, some are 4:4:4:4 and others are 4:4:2:2 ... |
| 22:23 | <Markie> | vektor: i just use it for watching my tv and divx videos :^) |
| 22:23 | <poptix> | vektor: i'm interested in making mythtv flexible enough to allow arbitrary input from a socket for display as an OSD |
| 22:23 | <Markie> | ohhh...and thats why i was integraitng the lirc client stuff into mythtv.. |
| 22:23 | <poptix> | it would make a lot of things a lot less complicated =p |
| 22:24 | <Markie> | cause all the lirc client stuff is, is allow it to listen to a unix socket. |
| 22:24 | <vektor> | poptix: ah. in tvtime we have a 'console' where you can type in commands, and you can type them into a pipe as well and it works the same. |
| 22:24 | <poptix> | vektor: yeah |
| 22:24 | <Markie> | i was then going to just stuff things into lircd |
| 22:24 | <vektor> | poptix: i recommend the sort of console thing |
| 22:24 | <vektor> | i want our menu system to be linked that way |
| 22:24 | <Chutt> | poptix, it really wouldn't be hard to add a listening socket and pipe that into the messaging subsystem |
| 22:24 | <vektor> | so you doa menu, and then menu items just set or get things just like the console works basically |
| 22:25 | <Markie> | poptix: but that'd need to be added to mythfrontend, right? not mythbacked |
| 22:25 | <Chutt> | and add a few calls to pop up stuff on the osd |
| 22:25 | <poptix> | Markie: yeah, the frontend |
| 22:25 | <Markie> | i mean Chutt actually.. |
| 22:25 | <poptix> | Chutt: i don't suppose you feel like doing that =) |
| 22:25 | <Chutt> | you could even make it talk to the backend, then have the backend pipe it along to the frontend |
| 22:25 | <Chutt> | not especially =) |
| 22:25 | <poptix> | Chutt: i'd want to do it on the frontend |
| 22:25 | <Chutt> | i really want to get the multiple encoder box stuff done |
| 22:25 | <Markie> | well i'll start working on it this weekend if noone started yet. |
| 22:25 | <poptix> | different frontends might not be interested in the same information |
| 22:26 | <Markie> | i'll have the viudeo stuff done by then. |
| 22:26 | <Chutt> | poptix, right, but you could just tell the backend which frontend to talk to.. |
| 22:26 | <poptix> | i suppose |
| 22:26 | <Markie> | it shouldnt really be that difficult..open a socket, use a SocketNotifier, and have your callback function. |
| 22:27 | <Chutt> | and it's already got facilities to send data to the frontend |
| 22:27 | <Chutt> | so the frontend wouldn't have to have a separate socket |
| 22:27 | <poptix> | i'd rather do it on the frontend though, less complicated |
| 22:27 | <poptix> | but hey, i'll do it however |
| 22:27 | <Markie> | chutt: so the client->server communication is more than just a single vide/audio stream? |
| 22:27 | <Chutt> | just check out how the backend stuff is setup |
| 22:27 | <Chutt> | the status socket is really simple |
| 22:28 | <Chutt> | it'd be similar to that |
| 22:28 | <Markie> | are you interleaving the data, or is control on a different socket? |
| 22:28 | <Chutt> | different control sockets |
| 22:29 | <Markie> | ok |
| 22:29 | <Chutt> | anyway |
| 22:29 | <Chutt> | like i said, bbl =) |
| 22:29 | <Markie> | night night :&) |
| 22:29 | <Markie> | ok so again, i'll start this weekend if no one else has |
| 22:29 | <Markie> | poptix: do you expect to ? |
| 22:30 | <poptix> | Markie: if i do anything it'll be a fifo that the frontend checks periodicly |
| 22:30 | <Markie> | blah |
| 22:30 | <poptix> | i suck at C++, and have 0 experience with multithreaded applications |
| 22:31 | <Markie> | i kinds like chutts way..only because it's already there, and anything additional would make it messyier |
| 22:31 | <poptix> | but if you ever need an IRC bot (Eggdrop) i'm your man. |
| 22:31 | <Markie> | heheh :^) |
| 22:31 | <poptix> | <- been working on Eggdrop since 1995 |
| 22:31 | <Markie> | doing it chutts, way it's a matter of simply modifying the mythfrontend control function thats already there. |
| 22:32 | <Markie> | and then modifying the backend to listen in on a socket and spit the command out |
| 22:32 | <Markie> | ok..one final question..would you suggest a single socket connection at a time, |
| 22:32 | <Markie> | or allow for multiple simultaneous socket connections? |
| 22:34 | <poptix> | i'd say one at a time |
| 22:34 | <_shad> | Yay. my camera rocks :) |
| 22:35 | <poptix> | don't accept() the next connection until the current one is done |
| 22:35 | <poptix> | as long as the clients know of that behavior, they can be coded to expect it. |
| 22:36 | <Markie> | ok |
| 22:36 | <Markie> | that makes things easier :^) no forks :^) |
| 22:38 | <Markie> | i _love_ mythtv ! |
| 22:39 | <poptix> | Vendor_info : 'SONY ' |
| 22:39 | <poptix> | Identifikation : 'DVD RW DRU-500A ' |
| 22:39 | <poptix> | Revision : '1.0f' |
| 22:39 | <poptix> | ^- yum =) |
| 22:39 | * poptix | watches his DVD burn |
| 22:39 | <Markie> | heh..i got one for christmas.. |
| 22:39 | <Markie> | i returned it.. |
| 22:39 | <poptix> | why? |
| 22:39 | <Markie> | i'd rather have everything on my harddrive, immediate, direct access. |
| 22:39 | <poptix> | a DVD burner, or the Sony DRU-500a? |
| 22:40 | <_shad> | poptix: heh, I could have bought 2 dvd burners for the price I paid for my digicam :( |
| 22:40 | <poptix> | _shad: heh. |
| 22:40 | <Markie> | i think the sony..but i'm not really sure, i didnt even look at it before i returned it. |
| 22:40 | <poptix> | i returned a 12X CD-RW SCSI drive |
| 22:40 | <poptix> | i had the 3-year PSP on it from best buy |
| 22:40 | <poptix> | it uh.. broke |
| 22:40 | <poptix> | 3 months short of the warranty expiration |
| 22:41 | <Markie> | i calculated that until you burn 100 dvd's, it's cheaper buying teh same equivalent size hard drive. |
| 22:41 | <Markie> | and 100 dvd's is a _lot |
| 22:41 | <_shad> | hmm |
| 22:41 | <_shad> | yes |
| 22:41 | <_shad> | like 470 gigs |
| 22:41 | <poptix> | i paid $379 for it, and best buy was obligated by the terms of my PSP to give me a $379 voucher |
| 22:41 | <_shad> | err |
| 22:41 | <_shad> | hrm. |
| 22:41 | <Markie> | and dont forget the price of the dvd's themselves |
| 22:41 | <poptix> | Markie: 63 cents each. |
| 22:41 | <_shad> | gah |
| 22:41 | <poptix> | 63 cents for 4.7GB of data |
| 22:42 | <poptix> | i'd say it works out to be cheaper. |
| 22:42 | <Markie> | at $63 it definitely does.. |
| 22:42 | <Markie> | i was looking at compus sale prices right now of at best $3/dvd |
| 22:42 | <Markie> | normal $5-$8 |
| 22:42 | <Markie> | $.63 |
| 22:42 | <Markie> | :^) |
| 22:43 | <poptix> | you can get DVD-R/DVD-RW drives for $189 now |
| 22:43 | <poptix> | that also write CD-R/CD-RW |
| 22:43 | <Markie> | yea, so $200 for the dvdrw |
| 22:43 | <Markie> | and lets say $100 for 100 dvd's |
| 22:43 | <Markie> | so $300 |
| 22:43 | <poptix> | er |
| 22:44 | <poptix> | $63 for 100 DVD-R's |
| 22:44 | <Markie> | i was rounding up :^) |
| 22:44 | <poptix> | $252 for a DVD-R drive w/ 100 DVD-R's |
| 22:44 | <Markie> | ok |
| 22:44 | <poptix> | $252 will buy you a 200GB hard drive |
| 22:44 | <Markie> | (not dvd-r's, not dvdrw's) |
| 22:44 | <poptix> | 100 DVD-R's is 470 GB |
| 22:45 | <poptix> | cha ching. |
| 22:45 | <Markie> | no way....i get $1/G for hard drivew |
| 22:45 | <Markie> | $200 for 200 Gig HD |
| 22:45 | <poptix> | Markie: no |
| 22:45 | <Markie> | rewritable...instant access. |
| 22:45 | <poptix> | www.pricewatch.com |
| 22:45 | <Markie> | poptix: yes..beleive me, i got too many |
| 22:45 | <Markie> | priceatch sucks for hard drives. |
| 22:45 | <poptix> | if you buy two 100G hard drives, it's $1/GB |
| 22:45 | <poptix> | larger capacity drives are more expensive =) |
| 22:46 | <Markie> | i got my 260G Hd for $240 at compusa. |
| 22:46 | <poptix> | 250GB EIDE is $420 |
| 22:46 | <poptix> | Markie: what model/brand? |
| 22:46 | <Markie> | you gotta wait for compusa to do their super rebate sales..they have deals with maxtor and WD when new models come out. |
| 22:46 | <Markie> | poptix umm..the 260G is maxtor |
| 22:46 | <Markie> | and i got 160 WD and 240 WD and 120 maxtor |
| 22:48 | <poptix> | i don't think maxtor makes a 260GB drive =p |
| 22:48 | <Markie> | yes.. |
| 22:48 | <Markie> | oh..my bad 250 |
| 22:48 | <Markie> | hdg: Maxtor 4A250J0, ATA DISK drive |
| 22:49 | <Markie> | i got too many drives in my video server!!! |
| 22:49 | <poptix> | =) |
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| 22:49 | <Markie> | :^) i got 7 ide drives in it and 2 scsi drives |
| 22:50 | <Markie> | the scsis are for a test..i wanna see if mythtv works better with them versus ide |
| 22:50 | <Markie> | i need a life. |
| 22:50 | <poptix> | http://www.compusa.com/products/product_info.asp?product_code=298701 |
| 22:52 | <Markie> | yea, you gotta get hard drives right when they come out..the first week.. |
| 22:52 | <Markie> | compusa offers rebates that are essentially half off. |
| 22:52 | <poptix> | regardless. |
| 22:52 | <poptix> | you paid what, $200 for it? |
| 22:53 | <Markie> | $240 |
| 22:53 | <poptix> | so, $1/GB gets you 252GB |
| 22:53 | <Markie> | yep |
| 22:53 | <poptix> | or 470GB with the DVD writer =p |
| 22:53 | <poptix> | i'm not saying that DVD's are an excellent backup medium |
| 22:53 | <Markie> | i guess it's personal preference |
| 22:53 | <Markie> | i'm bascially paying double for convenience. |
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