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| 01:00 | <nyquiljer> | Chutt: did you ask me for some graphics or something around xmas time? |
| 01:00 | <nyquiljer> | i seem to remember something like that, but no details |
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| 01:05 | <Chutt> | nyquiljer, not that i remember =) |
| 01:05 | <nyquiljer> | okey doke |
| 01:09 | <PhazE3atHomE> | Chutt: My attempt to get all the hardware questions off your mailing list and onto mine failed miserably... I will keep trying though |
| 01:09 | <PhazE3atHomE> | It was worth a try |
| 01:10 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 01:11 | <PhazE3atHomE> | I guess people figure since it mythtv they are trying to use, everything is a myth problem |
| 01:12 | <Chutt> | pretty much |
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| 08:49 | <mdz> | a couple of new menu icons for the setup screens would be nice |
| 09:48 | <lichen> | hmm perhaps ill get some work done on mythweb |
| 09:49 | <lichen> | i suppose peopel are getting antsy about it not working |
| 10:10 | <lichen> | hmm so in the record table 2 of time slot record, 3 is always record on a channel, and 4 is always record anywhere? |
| 10:10 | <lichen> | whats 1? |
| 10:11 | <lichen> | er obviously im talking about the type field |
| 10:15 | lichen | lichen_ Jan 14 10:15:24 <mdz_> lichen: scheduledrecording.h |
| 10:15 | <mdz_> | the RecordingType enumeration |
| 10:21 | <lichen> | okay |
| 10:22 | lichen | lichen_ Jan 14 10:22:06 <mdz_> lichen: updating mythweb? |
| 10:22 | <mdz_> | ah, you said so |
| 10:22 | <lichen> | thinking about starting.. or something :) |
| 10:25 | <mdz_> | it would be nice if it were working for the release |
| 10:25 | <lichen> | when are you planning on making it public? |
| 10:39 | <lichen> | oh dear it just hit me you actually used like human readable strings for date and time now |
| 10:39 | <lichen> | whats the world coming too |
| 10:40 | <lichen> | this is gonna be a big rewrite :( |
| 10:41 | lichen | lichen_ Jan 14 10:41:30 lichen lichen_ Jan 14 10:41:33 <mdz_> lichen: eh? |
| 10:41 | lichen | lichen_ Jan 14 10:41:43 <mdz_> lichen: the time fields are of type TIME, and the date fields of type DATE |
| 10:42 | <mdz_> | previously it was a DATETIME field in singlerecord, and a TIME field in timeslotrecord |
| 10:42 | lichen | lichen_ Jan 14 10:42:17 <mdz_> lichen: there have been two patches to the mailing list, you might want to look at those |
| 10:42 | <mdz_> | s/patches/replacement files/ |
| 10:42 | <mdz_> | which is why I haven't really looked at it at all |
| 10:43 | <lichen> | hmm okay.. if im gonna do this ill probably just end up wanting to rewrite it all my own way anyhow though |
| 10:43 | <lichen> | i think chutt commented on it and said that he needed to fix something though |
| 10:43 | <mdz_> | yeah, he just sent another one |
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| 10:43 | <mdz_> | presumably fixing that |
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| 10:44 | <PeteCool> | what CVSROOT am I supposed to use for a cvs checkout? |
| 10:44 | <Universe> | check the docs on the website |
| 10:45 | <Universe> | http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-1.html |
| 10:49 | <lichen> | hmm his code looks pretty good, i wish he would have setup an enumeration instead of strewing numbers about the code though |
| 10:56 | * poptix_ | sighs |
| 10:57 | <mdz_> | does php have enumerations? |
| 10:58 | <mdz_> | or constants, for that matter? |
| 11:01 | <lichen> | its crazy, its like as flexible as you want it to be, you can do stuff you wouldn't even fathom doing in other languages |
| 11:01 | <lichen> | on the other hand i think it can make for some pretty sloppy coding practices |
| 11:01 | <lichen> | hey i think im missing something, perhaps i missed some setting when i upgraded to 0.8, but im getting Grabbing XMLTV data using (null) is not verified as working. when i run mythfilldatabase |
| 11:02 | <mdz_> | sounds like you either didn't do all the database updates, or didn't run setup |
| 11:02 | <mdz_> | or both |
| 11:04 | <lichen> | hmm, im using a cvs from about 3 or 4 days ago, i checked the diff for all the database settings between the two cvs versions and updated according... where its null shouldn't that be tv_grab_na? where does it checkt osee what grabber it should be using? |
| 11:05 | <mdz_> | that is in the videosource table now |
| 11:05 | <mdz_> | which you should have seen in the diff of database/0-7-to-0-8.sql |
| 11:06 | <lichen> | wel lthat explains it.. odd i wonder how i miss that, i dont doubt error on my part though |
| 11:06 | <mdz_> | ALTER TABLE videosource ADD COLUMN xmltvgrabber VARCHAR(128); |
| 11:07 | <lichen> | the column is there, its just null... so i guess thats because i didn't run setup at some point? |
| 11:08 | <PeteCool> | how would I turn down brightness on xawtv? the damn thing is stuck at maximum and I can't seem to grab the scroller in the options to turn it down :( |
| 11:08 | <lichen> | actually.. that doesn't make sense... it should have gotten filled in, since when i first upgraded to 0.8 about a week ago now i did run setup, and it was in there then |
| 11:10 | <lichen> | alright well thats fixed now |
| 11:11 | <mdz_> | did the other things that setup configures get set? |
| 11:11 | <mdz_> | e.g., did it run tv_grab_XX --configure? |
| 11:12 | <mdz_> | and write ~/.mythtv/<source>.xmltv? |
| 11:12 | <lichen> | not positive, that was there before and i just recently did it manually |
| 11:12 | <lichen> | plus im not at home so i couldn't even actually run setup, i just updated the table |
| 11:14 | <mdz_> | setup is known to write that to the db correctly |
| 11:14 | <lichen> | okay.. like i said i wouldn't doubt personal error, i probably just missing something along the way, cause everythign else in 0.8 seems to be working fine |
| 11:17 | <mdz_> | this would happen if you skipped the video source configuration step |
| 11:18 | <mdz_> | or if you pressed escape to exit the dialog, instead of enter to save it |
| 11:18 | <mdz_> | that is not exactly documented anywhere |
| 11:18 | <lichen> | hah that is definitely possible, all that was in there was 1 cable NULL |
| 11:32 | <PeteCool> | what filesystem do you use to hold your video files? |
| 11:32 | <PeteCool> | first, does it change really anything? |
| 11:33 | <mdz_> | I use reiserfs, as some operations are faster in working with large files |
| 11:37 | <PeteCool> | video source name? what is that, I'm in the setup, part 3 |
| 11:47 | <PeteCool> | nevermind... I thought it was something more complicated than it really was :) |
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| 11:54 | <PeteCool> | finally... which wm do you use? |
| 11:57 | <PeteCool> | twm kinda sucks for using mythtv |
| 11:58 | <PhazE3> | WindowMaker works great for me |
| 11:58 | <PhazE3> | I just turned of the doc |
| 12:04 | <PhazE3> | off not of |
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| 12:19 | <mdz_> | setup could use some help text |
| 12:22 | <Chutt> | yup |
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| 12:48 | <PeteCool> | anybody here using videotron tv listings in montreal? xmltv lists it as available provider, but can't download anything |
| 12:49 | <PeteCool> | mythepg says there's no channels defined in the db |
| 12:52 | <PeteCool> | hmm, the dumped files are a login page |
| 12:58 | <Soopizzle> | cvs? |
| 12:58 | <Chutt> | use the newest xmltv |
| 12:58 | <Chutt> | not the old version you have now. |
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| 12:59 | <PeteCool> | 0.5.5 is old? |
| 12:59 | <Chutt> | uh, yes. |
| 12:59 | <PeteCool> | ok then |
| 12:59 | <Soopizzle> | hey chutt |
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| 12:59 | <Soopizzle> | is there a way to download a debian package source right off the net? |
| 12:59 | <Chutt> | of course |
| 13:00 | <Soopizzle> | i mean via web |
| 13:00 | <Soopizzle> | i'm on my windows laptop rite now, but need a debian package |
| 13:01 | <PeteCool> | Soopizzle: go to the packages.debian.org page, find the package in the list, the page with the description has a d/l link |
| 13:02 | <PeteCool> | Soopizzle: is that what you mean? |
| 13:02 | <poptix> | Chutt: does mythbackend automatically run xmltv? |
| 13:03 | <Chutt> | nope |
| 13:03 | <poptix> | so it should be cron'd to run weekly? |
| 13:04 | <Chutt> | or whenever else you want it to run |
| 13:04 | <PeteCool> | poptix: it's written exactly in the docs |
| 13:04 | <poptix> | i don't remember anything in the docs pertaining to /after/ installation |
| 13:04 | <PeteCool> | poptix: they even include a crontab file for you :) |
| 13:04 | <poptix> | hmm |
| 13:05 | <poptix> | grep is my friend. |
| 13:05 | <PeteCool> | right here: http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-9.html |
| 13:05 | <Soopizzle> | is debian 3.0r1 considered stable |
| 13:05 | <Soopizzle> | or unstable |
| 13:05 | <PeteCool> | stable |
| 13:06 | * poptix | refrains from making an anti-debian remark |
| 13:07 | * PeteCool | can't refrain from saying how great gentoo is |
| 13:07 | <Soopizzle> | really |
| 13:08 | <poptix> | gentoo can be quite delicious |
| 13:08 | <Soopizzle> | i don't want to have to learn yet another dist |
| 13:08 | <Soopizzle> | but for myth.... |
| 13:08 | <Soopizzle> | i may take that chance |
| 13:09 | <poptix> | okay, so |
| 13:09 | <PeteCool> | Soopizzle: debian is okay, I use it too, but I like gentoo better for my desktops... it's more... modern |
| 13:09 | <poptix> | in the documentation, it recommends putting mythfilldatabase in cron.daily |
| 13:09 | <poptix> | except it's grabbing a weeks worth of listings each time you run it |
| 13:09 | <Chutt> | no, it doesn't |
| 13:09 | <poptix> | it doesn't what? |
| 13:09 | <Chutt> | it fills a weeks worth |
| 13:10 | <Chutt> | it'll regrab tomorrow and anything in the next week it doesn't have |
| 13:10 | <PeteCool> | you're both saying the same thing |
| 13:10 | <Chutt> | petecool, no, i'm not |
| 13:10 | <PeteCool> | it grabs for the next 7 days, counting from today |
| 13:10 | <poptix> | Chutt: right, so you're grabbing 6 days worth of data you already have every day |
| 13:10 | <poptix> | and only one new day |
| 13:10 | <Chutt> | poptix, no, it doesn't do that. |
| 13:10 | <PeteCool> | poptix: but, that data may have changed |
| 13:11 | * poptix | blinks |
| 13:11 | <Chutt> | it skips any days it already has. |
| 13:11 | <PhazE3> | if it already has data it just fills out what it needs to make a week |
| 13:11 | <Chutt> | except for tomorrow. |
| 13:11 | <PeteCool> | poptix: like disappearing futurama's |
| 13:11 | <poptix> | hmm. |
| 13:11 | <Chutt> | it always regrabs 'tomorrow' in case there's been a change to the listings |
| 13:12 | <poptix> | alright |
| 13:12 | <poptix> | that's sensible then |
| 13:12 | <PhazE3> | I run it daily and it grabs two days worth... tomorrow and the 7th? day from today |
| 13:12 | <poptix> | Chutt: you may want to add a short line in that part of the documentation |
| 13:12 | <poptix> | that explains that |
| 13:13 | <Chutt> | it's different for different grabbers, though |
| 13:13 | <poptix> | considering i'm hitting zap2it's servers for this data, i was concerned that i was causing more traffic than necessary |
| 13:13 | <Chutt> | some of them don't let you grab by the day |
| 13:13 | <poptix> | hmm |
| 13:14 | <poptix> | Chutt: what are your thoughts on XDS/Guide+ data? |
| 13:15 | <Chutt> | i dunno |
| 13:15 | <PeteCool> | Chutt: where do you live? |
| 13:16 | <Chutt> | until zap2it kills stuff off, i'm just content to use that |
| 13:16 | <Chutt> | petecool, ohio |
| 13:16 | * poptix | points PeteCool at /whois chutt |
| 13:16 | <Chutt> | heh, yup |
| 13:16 | <poptix> | Chutt: XDS data, here at least, includes things like the stations icon |
| 13:17 | <PeteCool> | it doesn't tell he's in ohio... just says he's using speakeasy |
| 13:17 | <Chutt> | petecool, the 'cle' part |
| 13:17 | <poptix> | PeteCool: cle = cleveland, cleveland is in ohio |
| 13:17 | <Chutt> | poptix, so does zap2it's site.. |
| 13:17 | <poptix> | Chutt: true =) |
| 13:18 | <poptix> | although i think that's a little broken in the xmltv output |
| 13:18 | <Chutt> | the latest xmltv should deal with it ok |
| 13:18 | <poptix> | the icons are references through relative links, and i don't think the base url is provided |
| 13:18 | <Chutt> | and cvs mythtv should handle the relative links as well |
| 13:18 | <PeteCool> | wget got them alright |
| 13:18 | <Chutt> | i'm pretty sure xmltv 0.5.6 forced absolute urls for the icons |
| 13:19 | <poptix> | alright |
| 13:20 | <poptix> | i noticed the problem in 0.5.5, and thought 0.5.6 only fixed the new zap2it login stuff |
| 13:20 | <PeteCool> | in mozilla I wasn't even asked for a login |
| 13:21 | <poptix> | i wasn't able to get listings in 0.5.5 without first logging in with my web browser, and dropping my session cookie into xmltv |
| 13:21 | <poptix> | the non-login listings refused to come up at all |
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| 13:27 | <poptix> | Chutt: what do you think about a left alignment on the channel #/name? |
| 13:27 | <PeteCool> | mythfrontend refuses to connect to mythbackend... even though the IP is right, and it worked 15 minutes ago... the onyl thing I did is reboot the box |
| 13:28 | <PeteCool> | ps ax lists mythbackend, too |
| 13:29 | <mdz_> | you changed something |
| 13:29 | <PeteCool> | mdz_: I made xmltv work |
| 13:29 | <mdz_> | PeteCool: besides that :-) |
| 13:30 | <PeteCool> | mdz_: I don't remember anything else, da***t :( |
| 13:32 | <poptix> | check your backend settings, make sure the ip is correct |
| 13:32 | <Chutt> | mdz, hey, guess what |
| 13:32 | <poptix> | if all else fails, tcpdump. |
| 13:33 | <Chutt> | mdz, tvlistings.zap2it.com has complete listings, no gaps, no bad midnight end time. tvlistings2 has the gaps and stuff |
| 13:36 | <Chutt> | maybe want to stick that in your debian bug report? |
| 13:36 | <mdz_> | Chutt: really? I tried s/tvlistings2/tvlistings/ and got a 404 or such |
| 13:36 | <mdz_> | for the particular page that they're using, the text version |
| 13:36 | <mdz_> | or some ASP error |
| 13:37 | <Chutt> | the page names are different |
| 13:37 | <mdz_> | oh |
| 13:37 | <mdz_> | what's the tvlistings. URL? |
| 13:37 | <Chutt> | tvlistings is textone.asp |
| 13:37 | <Chutt> | tvlistings2 is text_one.asp |
| 13:37 | <Chutt> | browse from the starting page http://tvlistings.zap2it.com/ |
| 13:38 | <Chutt> | since i think the cookies are slightly different, too |
| 13:39 | <mdz_> | do they use tvlistings for any of the links from their home page? or is it their devel site or something? |
| 13:40 | <Chutt> | i think it's the old site |
| 13:40 | <Chutt> | doesn't have the new features that tvlistings2 has |
| 13:40 | <Chutt> | all the homepage links go to tvlistings2, from what i can see |
| 13:40 | <mdz_> | like the new preview feature which seems to have broken the text listing |
| 13:40 | <Chutt> | exactly |
| 13:42 | <mdz_> | why is it that xmltv fetches each channel separately? 'all stations' seems to work ok |
| 13:42 | <Chutt> | i dunno, that's just the way its written |
| 13:43 | <mdz_> | it would be a lot fewer requests, and probably faster |
| 13:44 | <mdz_> | yep, sure enough, they're not missing on tvlistings |
| 13:45 | <poptix> | has anyone considered using tv.yahoo.com? |
| 13:45 | <PeteCool> | I didn't give the proper privileges for the mythconverg db... but mythfilldatabase didn't complain ..? |
| 13:46 | <PeteCool> | and it still doesn't want to connect |
| 13:46 | <poptix> | well, i suppose tv.yahoo.com would require another request to get the program info |
| 13:47 | <mdz_> | Chutt: xmltv can't deal with the old site anymore though, right? |
| 13:47 | <mdz_> | maybe I should drop back to an old version and use tvlistings |
| 13:48 | <Chutt> | i don't know |
| 13:48 | <Chutt> | i haven't tried the current version with it |
| 13:49 | <poptix> | ah hah |
| 13:49 | <poptix> | excite.com has zap2it-like listings |
| 13:49 | <poptix> | with the program description on the main page |
| 13:50 | <Chutt> | mdz, bah, so is debian going to use prelink or not? |
| 13:50 | <mdz_> | Chutt: omg we need to recompile hostname and hello rite now!!! |
| 13:50 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 13:50 | <Chutt> | have you seen the numbers for it, though? |
| 13:50 | <mdz_> | I doubt Debian will ship prelinked stuff, but people will probably use it |
| 13:51 | <mdz_> | prelinked stuff breaks if the library is updated, I assume |
| 13:51 | <mdz_> | but I really haven't read up on it |
| 13:51 | <Chutt> | i don't think so, version info is stored in the bin as well |
| 13:51 | <mdz_> | except that it speeds up KDE and GNOME applications which load 80 shared libraries |
| 13:51 | <PeteCool> | mdz_: no, if the library is updated the prelinked stuff won'tbe used |
| 13:51 | <Chutt> | yeah, like, 100x improvement |
| 13:52 | <Chutt> | just for loading, of course, but.. |
| 13:52 | <mdz_> | PeteCool: and it will gracefully just work? |
| 13:53 | <PeteCool> | mdz_: yep |
| 13:53 | <mdz_> | then why does the binary need to be modified at all? |
| 13:53 | <PeteCool> | mdz_: changes were required to glibc-2.3 to make it work |
| 13:53 | <mdz_> | seems like they could store the relocations in a cache file or something |
| 13:53 | * poptix | ponders adding Excite tv listings support to xmltv |
| 13:53 | <mdz_> | it bugs me that it has to modify the original binaries, that's a big pain |
| 13:54 | <PeteCool> | mdz_: the changes are fully reversable |
| 13:55 | <PeteCool> | what's the command to see the listening sockets/ports? netstat -l ? |
| 13:56 | <PeteCool> | I don't see mythbackend or its port anywhere |
| 13:56 | <PeteCool> | that's the problem |
| 13:56 | <mdz_> | reversible doesn't make it much better in my eyes |
| 13:56 | <mdz_> | especially if you need to redo it every time a library is updated in order to get the benefit |
| 13:57 | <PeteCool> | mdz_: only when c++ libraries are updated IIRC |
| 13:58 | <poptix> | PeteCool: netstat -aen |
| 13:59 | <PeteCool> | no mythbackend in there... there's lots of disk activity though |
| 13:59 | <PeteCool> | and then it dies |
| 14:01 | <mdz_> | wow somebody got synaptic to work with rpm |
| 14:02 | <mdz_> | hmm, that guy who just posted to the list and had never used Linux or an Intel system before built one from parts, installed Linux and MythTV, and got it all working |
| 14:02 | <mdz_> | I don't want to hear any more whining on the list about how it is hard |
| 14:02 | <PeteCool> | it's not hard |
| 14:02 | <PeteCool> | it's a bug |
| 14:02 | <PeteCool> | ;) |
| 14:03 | <poptix> | Chutt: the new OSD changes look very nice |
| 14:03 | <poptix> | especially the fadeout =) |
| 14:05 | <PeteCool> | poptix: when was that checked in? |
| 14:09 | <PeteCool> | is it possible to put the tuner in a backend box, and use a frontend box for uncompressed, live tv vieweing? |
| 14:09 | <PeteCool> | or is it compressed? |
| 14:10 | <PeteCool> | that would take lots of mb/s of network throughoutput |
| 14:10 | <mdz_> | err |
| 14:10 | <mdz_> | yes, yes it would |
| 14:10 | <mdz_> | more than you have |
| 14:10 | <mdz_> | and possibly more than your CPU could do, depending on what it is |
| 14:11 | <PeteCool> | so each frontend would need a tuner for itself |
| 14:15 | <Chutt> | no. |
| 14:17 | <PeteCool> | Chutt: Even if I wanted live tv on each? |
| 14:17 | <Chutt> | that's the whole point. |
| 14:20 | <PeteCool> | mdz_: you're right, I had forgotten something: loading the bttv module |
| 14:20 | <PeteCool> | I only make stupid mistakes :( |
| 14:21 | <mdz_> | echo bttv >> /etc/modules |
| 14:22 | <mdz_> | ## I had trouble maintaining my catalog of recordings when upgrading to |
| 14:22 | <mdz_> | ## cvs and from cvs to more recent cvs, so I wrote this. |
| 14:22 | <mdz_> | I don't see why, that stuff hasn't changed |
| 14:22 | <PeteCool> | mdz_: maybe he dumped the database holding the info |
| 14:23 | <PeteCool> | mdz_: that would be... bad |
| 14:24 | <PeteCool> | I've ran mythfilldatabase about 5 times... but it still is getting the next whole 7 days |
| 14:25 | <Chutt> | your db isn't setup properly, then. |
| 14:26 | <PeteCool> | I can login and \u mythconverg correctly |
| 14:28 | <PeteCool> | with the mythtv user, obviously |
| 14:31 | <mdz_> | PeteCool: that, or you already have data in your database |
| 14:32 | <PeteCool> | I see the data in the epg now |
| 14:33 | <PeteCool> | the image is green and pink though... hours of tweaking to come, yay... |
| 14:34 | <poptix> | ooh |
| 14:34 | <poptix> | i think i found a way to get TV listings that are already in XML format =p |
| 14:34 | <poptix> | gzip'd even |
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| 14:34 | * poptix | sifts through more tcpdump logs |
| 14:35 | <mdz_> | poptix: ? |
| 14:37 | <poptix> | there's this program called digiguide |
| 14:37 | <poptix> | it downloads tv listings for this stupid program to alert you to shows you want to watch |
| 14:37 | <poptix> | i'm looking at where it's grabbing the data from |
| 14:38 | <mdz_> | http://digiguide.com/get_listings.cgi?password=s3kr3t |
| 14:39 | <paperclip> | heh |
| 14:41 | <poptix> | heh. |
| 14:43 | <mdz_> | it seems like there are quite a lot of sources of program information out there |
| 14:44 | <poptix> | yes, but most of them are listed in such a way that it's expensive (cpu and bandwidth wise) to grab them |
| 14:45 | <Chutt> | using zap2it, with the all-channel text pages |
| 14:45 | <poptix> | right |
| 14:46 | <poptix> | except zap2it is slow, and keeps changing their site |
| 14:46 | <Chutt> | would be quickest |
| 14:46 | <poptix> | and it appears to be buggy at the moment |
| 14:46 | <poptix> | simply looking for something better than i can integrate into xmltv |
| 15:09 | <poptix> | ooh |
| 15:09 | <poptix> | i found out what tvlistings.zap2it is for |
| 15:09 | <poptix> | looks like it's the site they sell to other companies |
| 15:09 | <poptix> | when i go through the houston chronicle site, it goes to tvlistings.zap2it.com, with a 'partner_id' of 'hou' |
| 15:10 | <poptix> | layout looks very different |
| 15:10 | <Chutt> | zap2it is owned by tribune media services |
| 15:10 | <Chutt> | which provides guide data to most places |
| 15:10 | <poptix> | i'm just saying |
| 15:11 | <poptix> | it looks like that's the site/server they dedicate to that |
| 15:11 | <Chutt> | actually, the site linking to it probably hasn't updated their links |
| 15:11 | <Chutt> | they've switched between tvlistings and tvlistings2 a couple times recently |
| 15:13 | <poptix> | heh |
| 15:13 | <poptix> | my local news paper, the Star Tribune, goes to tvlistings4.zap2it |
| 15:20 | <paperclip> | have you looked at tv.yahoo.com |
| 15:20 | <paperclip> | they use tribune data too... |
| 15:21 | <paperclip> | not sure if it's as detailed as zap2it tho |
| 15:21 | <poptix> | using them would require a seperate http request for each program |
| 15:21 | <poptix> | because the specific program information isn't on the main grid |
| 15:35 | <paperclip> | ahh |
| 15:35 | <paperclip> | makes sense |
| 15:50 | <hurdel> | what issues are we waiting for before releasing cvs as 0.8? |
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| 15:51 | <mdz_> | there were still some remote playback issues, not sure if they're all fixed now |
| 15:56 | <hurdel> | what's the story with mythvideo, is it still alive? and being maintained? |
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| 17:20 | <m0tion> | what algorithm does mythtv use for deinterlacing? |
| 17:21 | <m0tion> | oh, nm, mplayer's |
| 17:21 | <m0tion> | ever look at DScaler? (deinterlace.sourceforge.net) |
| 17:21 | <m0tion> | I hear it's VERY good |
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| 17:55 | <vektor> | m0tion: Hey you should check out tvtime. |
| 17:55 | <vektor> | ;-) |
| 17:56 | <m0tion> | THANKS |
| 17:56 | <vektor> | DScaler has some good (but expensive) deinterlacing algorithms. They're all built for 4:2:2 input rather than 4:2:0 though. It takes a bit of work to port them. |
| 17:56 | <m0tion> | =) |
| 17:56 | <vektor> | (port them to mythtv/mplayer/xine that is)... |
| 17:56 | <m0tion> | i suppose you saw my little fiasco in #mplayer? =) |
| 17:56 | <vektor> | In tvtime we also work on 4:2:2 streams so the port was trivial. |
| 17:56 | <vektor> | No, I didn't. What was it? |
| 17:57 | <m0tion> | oh, haha, ok, your a tvtime developer then? =) |
| 17:57 | <m0tion> | you're even |
| 17:57 | <vektor> | Yeah, I'm the primary author. |
| 17:57 | <m0tion> | oh, wow, ok |
| 17:57 | <vektor> | I did all the deinterlacing code work anyway. |
| 17:57 | <vektor> | Like, I wrote the original app. |
| 17:57 | <vektor> | And people have helped mostly in like the config file work and other stuff like that. |
| 17:57 | <m0tion> | congratulations, thats a big accomplishment |
| 17:58 | <vektor> | We ported a bunch of DScaler filters. |
| 17:58 | <vektor> | Next release (or maybe the release after) will add support for DScaler dlls directly. |
| 17:58 | <m0tion> | everything i've read about both pieces of software is very good |
| 17:58 | <vektor> | So no port involved, we can just use the latest filter. |
| 17:58 | <vektor> | I'm very anxious though to provide an API/library that mythtv/mplayer/xine can use. |
| 17:58 | <m0tion> | wow, that would be NICE =) |
| 17:59 | <vektor> | Well, yeah. :) |
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| 18:16 | <PeteCool> | is mythmusic up to date? |
| 18:18 | <PeteCool> | doesn't seem to work |
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| 19:03 | <Chutt> | mythmusic works. |
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| 19:14 | <mirk_dt> | mdz: I remember a post you made on the myth-dev list that mentioned to stay away from autoconf for mythtv. Why? (note that I'm not complaining...I'm a newbie programmer and am trying to understand) |
| 19:14 | <_shad> | burp. |
| 19:28 | <PeteCool> | I'm having dropped frames and slowdowns with live tv... hard disks are using dma modes according to hdparm. What might be wrong? This is a celeron-1100 with 512 megs of ram, it isn't THAT slow |
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| 19:29 | <PeteCool> | and the tuning works fine in windows |
| 19:31 | <PeteCool> | I'm not even trying to time-shift or anything |
| 19:34 | <_shad> | it's timeshifting by default |
| 19:34 | <_shad> | that's what a pvr does |
| 19:34 | <_shad> | ;) |
| 19:34 | <PeteCool> | hmm |
| 19:34 | <_shad> | what res are you using? |
| 19:35 | <Universe> | there is no true livetv... |
| 19:35 | <Universe> | if there was, you wouldn't be able to rewind or pause it |
| 19:35 | <PeteCool> | 480x480 |
| 19:35 | <_shad> | hrm |
| 19:37 | <PeteCool> | rtjpeg might be having problems because I haven't tweaked the channel frequencies yet and the image is shaky and pink and green |
| 19:39 | <PeteCool> | frequencies only need to be nine "xawtv-steps" higher for every channel, is there a quick way to do that? |
| 19:39 | <_shad> | is your tuner selection right? |
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| 19:49 | <PeteCool> | the tuner works, but the channels are wrong |
| 19:49 | <PeteCool> | I mean the current channels |
| 19:51 | <mdz> | mirk_dt: Chutt's preference |
| 19:53 | <_shad> | PeteCool: read mailing list archives. |
| 20:40 | <PeteCool> | if you do scantv and select ntsc, do you see canada in your country list? |
| 20:40 | <PeteCool> | xawtv's share dir does have a ca file, but it isn't listed |
| 20:52 | <PeteCool> | _shad: I still don't see exactly what to do... am I right that it has to do with xawtv? |
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| 21:00 | <Chutt> | petecool, you just need to set the finetune value in the channel table to whatever you want |
| 21:06 | <mdz> | it sounds like he needs to set his tuner type correctly |
| 21:07 | <Chutt> | that too, probably |
| 21:07 | <Chutt> | light email day |
| 21:11 | <Chutt> | hrm |
| 21:12 | <Chutt> | looks like the mailman upgrade ate my commit message earlier |
| 21:16 | <moegreen> | Chutt: I just did three commits, none have shown up on the mythtv-commits archive |
| 21:17 | <Chutt> | within the last 5 minutes? |
| 21:18 | <moegreen> | last couple, not sure - does it only update every 5? |
| 21:18 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 21:19 | <moegreen> | Ok, well, I can wait :) I added the code to let the user pick the number of channels and the amount of time in the alternative epg. I also added these as options in the setup. |
| 21:19 | <Chutt> | cool |
| 21:20 | <Chutt> | err, hmm |
| 21:20 | <Chutt> | are you sure you committed stuff? |
| 21:21 | <moegreen> | heh, I ignore all error messages I get on my side ... hold on |
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| 21:30 | <moegreen> | Chutt: ok, they should be in there now - let me know |
| 21:32 | <Chutt> | got the commit message, so, all good now =) |
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| 21:54 | <poptix> | while [ 1 ]; do cvs update; sleep 300; done |
| 21:54 | <TheAsp> | heh |
| 21:54 | <TheAsp> | is it broken? |
| 21:54 | <poptix> | that might keep you up to date with CVS =) |
| 21:56 | <poptix> | hmm |
| 21:57 | <poptix> | Chutt: it might be nice to have the recording status in the OSD when you hit 'i' |
| 21:58 | <TheAsp> | and the description |
| 21:59 | <poptix> | smallville always looks so nice |
| 21:59 | <poptix> | too bad AT&T isn't broadcasting the HDTV version |
| 22:02 | <PeteCool> | Chutt: do I need to restart mythbackend to have the changes used? |
| 22:05 | <PeteCool> | is it possible that bad resolutions make rtjpeg act funky and add pink/green to the image? |
| 22:06 | <PeteCool> | I know you don't want to hear this, but it does work fine in xawtv with the same finetune settings |
| 22:11 | <PeteCool> | hmm, actually this doesn't seem to be a tuner error, as I am not able to reproduce these funky visuals when playing with the frequencies in xawtv... seems more like a setup problem, but everything seems right! |
| 22:15 | <Soopizzle> | Chutt, what's the lowest for recording without an active out put (like your backend that just records, with no monitor display) |
| 22:17 | <TheAsp> | Soopizzle: about 3 feet. |
| 22:22 | <Soopizzle> | ... |
| 22:22 | <Soopizzle> | specs wise |
| 22:23 | <vektor> | PeteCool: Don't use the 'canada' frequency table from xawtv, ever. |
| 22:23 | <vektor> | PeteCool: Its existance is a bug. |
| 22:24 | <Soopizzle> | heh |
| 22:25 | <vektor> | And it pisses me off that it's not gone from xawtv and every other app. :) |
| 22:35 | <TheAsp> | i get better picture with that table and using the wrong tuner then i do with the us-cable table and the proper tuner |
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| 22:49 | <vektor> | TheAsp: Then you have your tuner type set wrong. |
| 22:49 | <vektor> | TheAsp: It's a bug that some popular NTSC tuners are mis-detected by the tuner.o driver. |
| 22:49 | <TheAsp> | vektor: nono |
| 22:49 | <TheAsp> | i have it right |
| 22:49 | <vektor> | TheAsp: Unfortunately, fixing this bug is quite annoying. |
| 22:49 | <TheAsp> | it just works slightly better when it's wrong |
| 22:49 | <vektor> | Not if you're using cable. |
| 22:50 | <vektor> | Do you have an ATI TV Wonder card? |
| 22:50 | <TheAsp> | yes |
| 22:50 | <TheAsp> | i am using the proper tuner right now |
| 22:50 | <vektor> | Yeah. We've had the most problems with that card. |
| 22:50 | <vektor> | Which is the "proper" tuner, in your opinion. |
| 22:50 | <TheAsp> | 2 |
| 22:51 | <vektor> | Ok, and who is your cable provider? |
| 22:51 | <TheAsp> | eastlink |
| 22:51 | <vektor> | Where are you? |
| 22:51 | <TheAsp> | halifax |
| 22:51 | <vektor> | Ok, because us-cable is _definitely_ correct for eastlink. |
| 22:51 | <vektor> | I am also in Halifax. |
| 22:52 | <vektor> | And using Eastlink. |
| 22:52 | <TheAsp> | *nod* i am saying that the autodetected tuner with the canada-cable table works slightly better |
| 22:52 | <TheAsp> | for me anyway |
| 22:52 | <vektor> | Hmm. |
| 22:52 | <TheAsp> | though with myth it doesnt matter |
| 22:52 | <vektor> | I suspect the problem is in the tuner module and not in the frequency table. |
| 22:53 | <TheAsp> | hey, do you get vertical lines on showcase? |
| 22:53 | <vektor> | The canada-cable frequencies make no sense. They are not correct. |
| 22:53 | <TheAsp> | yes |
| 22:53 | <TheAsp> | it detects a pal tuner |
| 22:53 | <TheAsp> | so weird stuff happens |
| 22:53 | <vektor> | Which channel is Showcase? |
| 22:53 | <TheAsp> | 39 |
| 22:53 | <vektor> | Do you go to school here, btw? |
| 22:53 | <TheAsp> | yeah, msvu |
| 22:53 | <vektor> | ah |
| 22:53 | <vektor> | Have we talked about this before? :) |
| 22:54 | <TheAsp> | doubt it |
| 22:54 | <vektor> | Heh. |
| 22:54 | <TheAsp> | :P |
| 22:54 | <vektor> | What are you studying? |
| 22:54 | <Universe> | I bet vektor doesn't even remember me.. |
| 22:54 | <TheAsp> | science... bs degree really :) |
| 22:54 | <Universe> | heh |
| 22:54 | <vektor> | cool. |
| 22:54 | <vektor> | I'm doing my masters at dal. |
| 22:54 | <TheAsp> | i work for environment canada |
| 22:54 | <TheAsp> | when i can spell it |
| 22:54 | <vektor> | neat. |
| 22:54 | <vektor> | Universe: Who are you? :) |
| 22:55 | <Universe> | heh.. |
| 22:55 | <vektor> | I broke my TV app, so I can't check showcase with that. |
| 22:55 | <vektor> | Looks nice on my TV though. |
| 22:55 | <TheAsp> | they are sorta diagonal right now |
| 22:55 | * TheAsp | is actually in fall river |
| 22:56 | <TheAsp> | i have them on my tv too, but much fainter |
| 22:56 | <vektor> | I have no idea where fall river is, I'm not from around here :) |
| 22:57 | <TheAsp> | oh, between bedford and the airport |
| 22:57 | <vektor> | Ah ok. |
| 22:57 | <TheAsp> | connecting to backend server: localhost:6543 |
| 22:57 | <TheAsp> | Connection timed out. |
| 22:58 | <TheAsp> | hmmm |
| 22:58 | <TheAsp> | when going to live tv from the menu |
| 22:58 | <vektor> | Well, night. |
| 22:58 | * vektor | gone |
| 22:58 | <Universe> | later vektor |
| 22:58 | <Universe> | TheAsp... the backend running? |
| 22:59 | <Universe> | and you setup the backend_settings.txt? |
| 23:00 | <TheAsp> | bah |
| 23:00 | <TheAsp> | forgot to copy over my copy |
| 23:00 | <Universe> | heh |
| 23:02 | <TheAsp> | how about this, the epg segs on me |
| 23:02 | <TheAsp> | oh, there it goes |
| 23:04 | <TheAsp> | hmm |
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| 23:32 | <PeteCool> | hmm |
| 23:32 | <PeteCool> | the recording preview is right-colored |
| 23:32 | <PeteCool> | but when playing it it's green |
| 23:32 | <PeteCool> | seems like I found the source: upscaling |
| 23:32 | <PeteCool> | now how the (&%*(% do I fix that |
| 23:47 | <PeteCool> | mdz: got any ideas why that might happen? |
| 23:49 | <PeteCool> | mdz: the grabbed frames are alright (as proved by the live recording preview in the "watch recording" section), but when they are upscaled to be displayed full-screen distortion happens |
| 23:52 | <PeteCool> | hmm, what X resolutions do you guys use? |
| 23:57 | <PeteCool> | the proof I can give that upscaling of the image is broken, is not only the picture is warped but the osd too |
