| 00:01 | <Soopizzle> | wirewrapping? |
| 00:03 | <paperclip> | old skewl electronics assembly method |
| 00:07 | <Soopizzle> | oh |
| 00:07 | <Soopizzle> | i thought he meant the old school magnet making process |
| 00:08 | <Soopizzle> | wrap wire around a nail, connect to active power source |
| 00:08 | <Soopizzle> | :P |
| 00:08 | <paperclip> | heh |
| 00:08 | <paperclip> | that's still how it's done |
| 00:08 | <Soopizzle> | oh real? |
| 00:09 | <paperclip> | electromagnets? |
| 00:09 | <paperclip> | that's the only way AFAIK |
| 00:09 | <Soopizzle> | heh |
| 00:09 | <Soopizzle> | you remember where the myth debian site is? |
| 00:11 | <paperclip> | not of the top of my head.. |
| 00:11 | <paperclip> | how is your midori stuff coming along? |
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| 00:15 | <Soopizzle> | almost done |
| 00:16 | <Soopizzle> | just trying to figure out/learn more about mythtv front-end |
| 00:16 | <Soopizzle> | so i can build a package for it |
| 00:16 | <Soopizzle> | otherwise, things be cool |
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| 00:18 | <paperclip> | adding mythtv to midori? |
| 00:20 | <Soopizzle> | yeah |
| 00:22 | <Soopizzle> | i need a video package, but dunno if i want a mplayer or mythtv |
| 00:23 | <Soopizzle> | although remote tv does sound enticing |
| 00:24 | <paperclip> | oh.. you only want the frontend |
| 00:25 | <paperclip> | gotcha |
| 00:25 | * paperclip | has a look at the midori CVS |
| 00:25 | <Soopizzle> | yeah, i doubt most ia's could handle full timeshifting |
| 00:25 | <Soopizzle> | if only myth could use mplayer's codecs for video playback |
| 00:25 | <Soopizzle> | *hint*hint* |
| 00:26 | <paperclip> | mplayer has it's own codecs? |
| 00:26 | <Soopizzle> | i meant interface |
| 00:26 | <paperclip> | i thought they just used everyone elses.. |
| 00:26 | <Soopizzle> | they do |
| 00:26 | <paperclip> | oh |
| 00:27 | <Soopizzle> | but to make it so myth could use the ones they have gotten working, seamlessly |
| 00:28 | <paperclip> | i don't understand |
| 00:41 | <Soopizzle> | so the codecs could be used like plugins |
| 00:42 | <mdz> | Chutt: so I have the scheduler and EPG working again |
| 00:45 | <mdz> | Chutt: I'm going to work on splitting up the settings UI from the data objects |
| 00:48 | <mdz> | think about it anyway. not sure what it should look like |
| 00:50 | <mdz> | for things to work nicely, I need to be able to connect up the UI stuff with signals so that if the quantity that's being represent in the UI gets changed, the UI updates |
| 00:52 | <Soopizzle> | mdz, what are the lowest specs one can use mythtv-frontend on? |
| 00:52 | <mdz> | Soopizzle: the frontend only, just for playback? |
| 00:53 | <mdz> | it should be pretty lightweight |
| 00:54 | <mdz> | with mpeg4 anyway |
| 00:55 | <Soopizzle> | i need a guestimmate for playback |
| 00:55 | <Soopizzle> | and even for recording |
| 00:55 | <Soopizzle> | like the LOWEST options |
| 00:55 | <Soopizzle> | hheheh |
| 00:55 | <mdz> | the frontend doesn't do recording |
| 00:56 | <mdz> | it's not a simple question anyway, it entirely depends on what you expect from it |
| 00:56 | <mdz> | there are people running on 500MHz boxes and lower |
| 00:57 | <mdz> | you get better quality with a faster system |
| 00:57 | <mdz> | so rather than asking about the minimum, get the fastest system you can and use that |
| 00:58 | <mdz> | I'm not going to try to give any formal requirements, because there are too many things to consider |
| 00:59 | <mdz> | there are people who have trouble getting mythtv to perform on athlon xp 1800s and even faster, while others have no problem with much slower systems |
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| 01:18 | <Soopizzle> | mdz, i asked 'cause i am trying to figure out what platforms would be worth porting it to |
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| 01:30 | <Soopizzle> | crap, either i just messed up my system, or debian xml is broken |
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| 02:31 | <Soopizzle> | wow |
| 02:31 | <Soopizzle> | kde is pretty well put together |
| 02:36 | <Soopizzle> | fghjkl |
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| 10:18 | --> You | are now talking on #mythtv |
| 10:18 | -!- | Topic for #mythtv is http://www.mythtv.org/ |
| 10:18 | -!- | Topic for #mythtv set by Chutt at Thu Dec 12 17:39:57 |
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| 12:06 | <PeteCool> | is there lots of stuff left to do before 0.8 is released? |
| 12:14 | <mdz_> | a tentative prediction was made on the website 1.5 weeks ago |
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| 15:47 | <lichen> | hmm.. i wonder if chutt deleted my cvs account :( |
| 15:47 | <Chutt> | why would i do that? |
| 15:48 | <lichen> | dont know, i was out of it for about a month.. maybe you were tight with security or something |
| 15:48 | <lichen> | i just cant authenticate |
| 15:48 | <Chutt> | err, the cvs server changed |
| 15:48 | <lichen> | well that pretty much explains everyhting, no longer mythtv.org? |
| 15:48 | <Chutt> | cvs.mythtv.org |
| 15:49 | <lichen> | ahhh thanks |
| 15:55 | <mdz_> | mythtv-dev is such a riot |
| 15:56 | <mdz_> | I would like to write my own PVR |
| 15:56 | <mdz_> | also, how do I download the source code and where is the PVR part? |
| 15:56 | <nevertheless> | excactly what i thought 5 minutes ago :) |
| 15:57 | <hurd_away> | mdz: i'd like to recreate the wheel, do you have something round |
| 15:57 | -!- | hurd_away is now known as hurdel |
| 15:58 | <mdz_> | also I am interested in learning C |
| 15:59 | <hurdel> | where does the name mythtv come from anyway? supposed to stand for something? |
| 15:59 | <nevertheless> | it was mythical convergence in version 0.1 :) |
| 16:00 | <nevertheless> | (check the tarball ;-) |
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| 16:20 | <mdz_> | gcc -v yields 3.2.2 |
| 16:20 | <mdz_> | Debian has frozen over |
| 16:21 | <bigguy> | eh? |
| 16:21 | <mdz_> | Debian unstable has switched to gcc 3.2 as the default compiler |
| 16:21 | <bigguy> | so all unstable will use 3.2.2 from now on? |
| 16:21 | <bigguy> | oh |
| 16:21 | <bigguy> | heh |
| 16:21 | <bigguy> | I knew that :P |
| 16:22 | * bigguy | strokes his unstable |
| 16:25 | <Chutt> | scary |
| 16:41 | <Soopizzle> | heheheh |
| 16:58 | <PhazE3> | Well so far My Linux PVR Hardware mailing list has not pulled away any of the hardware questions in mythtv-dev |
| 17:01 | <mdz_> | PhazE3: no, but now you can berate them |
| 17:01 | <mdz_> | for posting to the wrong list |
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| 17:20 | <PhazE3> | lol... |
| 17:21 | <PhazE3> | I will have to start |
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| 17:31 | <Hohlraum> | so whats the poop on hardware encoders? (MPEG or HDTV) .. any recent developments? |
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| 17:40 | <TheAsp> | hmm, found a bug... if you try to set it to record a program every day and you had previously had a recording there, it will give a duplicate row error |
| 17:41 | <TheAsp> | INSERT INTO timeslotrecord (chanid,starttime,endtime,title) VALUES(1036,00000000220000,00000000230000,"24"); |
| 17:41 | <TheAsp> | Driver error was: |
| 17:41 | <TheAsp> | QMYSQL3: Unable to execute query |
| 17:41 | <TheAsp> | Database error was: |
| 17:41 | <TheAsp> | Duplicate entry '1036-22:00:00' for key 1 |
| 17:41 | <TheAsp> | want it to silently overwrite it? |
| 17:41 | <mdz_> | that stuff is changing anyhow |
| 17:42 | <TheAsp> | oh, ok |
| 17:42 | <mdz_> | that should work with the current code though |
| 17:42 | <TheAsp> | not up to date... school has started |
| 17:43 | <TheAsp> | well, mechina for tribes2 was released too . . . |
| 17:46 | <TheAsp> | any idea why my fonts are tiny in myth's menus with the version of qt in sid? |
| 17:50 | <mdz_> | the font size is set in the myth configuration |
| 17:51 | <TheAsp> | yes yes, but it works fine with the old libqt |
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| 18:29 | <Soopizzle> | mdz |
| 18:29 | <Soopizzle> | what libraries are required to compile myth from cvs? |
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| 19:42 | <Soopizzle> | mdz, chutt |
| 19:42 | <Soopizzle> | is it possible to use custom resolutions in X |
| 19:42 | <Soopizzle> | like if i want native resolution on a 16:9 vga/dvi projector |
| 19:42 | <Soopizzle> | lag? |
| 19:58 | <bbeattie> | scoopizzle: what projector? I'd probably want to do that on my sharp m20x. |
| 19:58 | <TheAsp> | Soopizzle: it's possible |
| 19:58 | <TheAsp> | but you may have to workout your own scanlines |
| 20:00 | <bbeattie> | Soopizzle: I've seen scanlines listed for people using windows/radeon cards, check the web and you may find a windows user who posted some that would work. |
| 20:05 | <mdz> | Soopizzle: cvs has the same build-time requirements as the 0.7 release |
| 20:07 | <Soopizzle> | i know how to do it with windows |
| 20:07 | <Soopizzle> | but i don't know where i would start in linux |
| 20:12 | <mdz> | there is a file at the top of the source tree |
| 20:12 | <mdz> | called README |
| 20:13 | <Soopizzle> | mdz, but what packages were there (can't find it on the myth.org or your page |
| 20:13 | <Soopizzle> | for goodness sakes... this lag is rediculous |
| 20:13 | <Soopizzle> | can't figure out if it is my wireless network card, or this irc network... |
| 20:13 | <Soopizzle> | ok |
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| 20:28 | * bbeattie | is away: I'm Away. |
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| 20:55 | <moegreen> | I've been working on a weather module for MythTV -- what do you guys think? |
| 20:55 | <moegreen> | +--------------------------------------------------------+ |
| 20:55 | <moegreen> | | John E. Danner johndanner@untzuntz.com | |
| 20:55 | <moegreen> | | CCNA http://www.untzuntz.com/ | |
| 20:55 | <moegreen> | heh |
| 20:55 | <moegreen> | oops |
| 20:56 | <moegreen> | http://untzuntz.com/mythtv/weather/ |
| 20:57 | <TheAsp> | hah |
| 21:02 | <Soopizzle> | moegreen, beautiful |
| 21:03 | <Soopizzle> | you just parse and present the data? |
| 21:14 | <PhazE3atHomE> | thats sweet mythWeatherChannel :) |
| 21:15 | <Soopizzle> | indeed it is |
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| 21:35 | <TheAsp> | cvs down? |
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| 21:42 | <mdz> | looks that way |
| 21:42 | <TheAsp> | wow! that perl script fixes my broken listings! |
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| 22:01 | <TheAsp> | though it's kinda bad :P |
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| 22:05 | <m0tion> | can anyone recommend a good remote control to use with LIRC? |
| 22:05 | <m0tion> | or do you guys generally create your own configuration files? |
| 22:26 | <m0tion> | anyone here using LIRC? |
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| 22:32 | <Chutt> | moegreen, that's great. you need to get AA fonts working, though =) |
| 22:38 | <mdz> | ugh, my system is freaking out |
| 22:38 | <mdz> | had left it on live tv and now it's looping noise to the sound card and video is frozen |
| 22:39 | <mdz> | uh oh, can't ping it |
| 22:39 | <_shad> | heh |
| 22:39 | <mdz> | very weird, it's been stable for a long time |
| 22:39 | <Chutt> | so, the power supply died in my mythtv box |
| 22:40 | <Soopizzle> | my mythtv box left me for another owner :( |
| 22:40 | <Chutt> | trying to decide if i should just buy a new case and everything |
| 22:40 | <mdz> | bad hardware day all around |
| 22:41 | <Chutt> | and the new robert jordan book is, well, crappy |
| 22:41 | <Chutt> | but that was to be expected |
| 22:43 | <mdz> | any ideas about how the settings should be decoupled from the UI? |
| 22:43 | <Chutt> | naw |
| 22:43 | <Chutt> | just keep it how it is |
| 22:43 | <mdz> | I think I agree with you on that point |
| 22:43 | <mdz> | the convenient thing about the way it is is the grouping |
| 22:43 | <Chutt> | you fixed the context stuff, so it's just a minor design complaint now |
| 22:43 | <mdz> | it's valid though, and better to fix it sooner than later |
| 22:44 | <mdz> | it's silly for a particular setting to inherit from a class which determines its UI |
| 22:44 | <mdz> | the original idea was so that when the same setting was represented in different contexts, it would always look the same |
| 22:45 | <mdz> | which is nice, but it doesn't have to be reflected in the object design |
| 22:45 | <Chutt> | well, it works for the simpler settings |
| 22:45 | <mdz> | I was thinking that comboboxsetting and what not would be separate classes, whose constructor took a reference to whatever value it should be connected to. then you could take, say, an integer, and wrap a spinbox or a slider or whatever around it |
| 22:46 | <mdz> | which would be really convenient except that I don't think I could use plain integers and strings and what not |
| 22:46 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 22:46 | <mdz> | because the UI needs to be able to see if the value is changed outside of the UI |
| 22:46 | <Chutt> | for the simpler settings, though |
| 22:46 | <Chutt> | where they _are_ just a single value that's in the db |
| 22:46 | <Chutt> | the current stuff you have works great |
| 22:47 | <Chutt> | it's just for something complex like this recording stuff |
| 22:47 | <mdz> | right, it's awkward there |
| 22:48 | <mdz> | say...why is it that if you overload a virtual function, without redefining the original virtual function, it masks the original? |
| 22:48 | <mdz> | like if you have foo(int) in A, and B inherits A and defines foo(char), foo(int) becomes inaccessible |
| 22:49 | <mdz> | and I have to make B::foo(int) which just calls A::foo(int) |
| 22:49 | <TheAsp> | because c++ is a pita? |
| 22:49 | <Chutt> | char is automatically promotable to int and vice versa |
| 22:49 | <Chutt> | is why |
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| 22:49 | <mdz> | well, in the actual example it was QString and int |
| 22:49 | <mdz> | which I didn't think were compatible at all |
| 22:49 | <Chutt> | hmm |
| 22:50 | <Chutt> | i dunno =) |
| 22:50 | <mdz> | I ran into that a couple of times with the settings code |
| 22:50 | <mdz> | just hacked around it, but I'm curious why that is |
| 22:50 | <_shad> | Hrm |
| 22:50 | <_shad> | this is sick |
| 22:50 | <_shad> | I bet chutt could use it :P |
| 22:50 | <_shad> | http://warb.org/no/assturbate.jpg |
| 22:50 | <_shad> | 'go fuck yourself' |
| 22:54 | <mdz> | man, g++ 3.2 is slow |
| 22:55 | <lichen_> | in the latest cvs are the recording profiles used yet? |
| 22:55 | <bigguy> | ugh |
| 22:55 | * bigguy | kills _shad |
| 22:55 | <mdz> | lichen_: yes, but only Default and Live TV |
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| 22:55 | <mdz> | lichen_: it can use others on a per-recording basis, but the UI to select them is not there yet |
| 22:56 | <lichen_> | okay.... i just got the latest cvs up and running... very very impressive |
| 22:56 | <lichen_> | yeah i figured the ui just wasn't quite implemented yet |
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| 22:56 | <nitrogen> | can mythtv run without a mysql database? |
| 22:56 | <_shad> | bigguy: hey, I warned first :P |
| 22:56 | <lichen_> | nitrogen, no |
| 22:56 | <nitrogen> | does qt have to be compiled with sql support? |
| 22:56 | <bigguy> | _shad: umm why did you even post it in the first place |
| 22:56 | <mdz> | nitrogen: yes |
| 22:56 | <nitrogen> | okay, that answers my problem |
| 22:57 | <nitrogen> | I'm running a remote database and qt on the local machine doesn't have sql support |
| 22:57 | <nitrogen> | thanks |
| 22:57 | <mdz> | Chutt: now I understand why you were more bothered than I was about those big headers |
| 22:58 | <mdz> | takes forever with 3.2 |
| 22:59 | <_shad> | bigguy: for chutt to tell people to go fuck themselves. :) |
| 22:59 | <lichen_> | i dont get how in the mpeg4 codec max quality is less than min quality |
| 22:59 | <mdz> | great, I can't build myth now. I need a g++-3.2 libqt |
| 22:59 | <_shad> | mdz: upgraded debian to 3.2? |
| 23:00 | <mdz> | yes |
| 23:00 | <bigguy> | _shad: and he needed an image to tell them that? Chutt has no problems telling people off ;) |
| 23:00 | <_shad> | bigguy: ya, but that's to make the point when they won't listen. hehe |
| 23:04 | <mdz> | lichen_: feel like testing my scheduler changes? |
| 23:05 | <lichen_> | what does it entail? |
| 23:07 | <mdz> | having to re-input your scheduled recordings |
| 23:08 | <lichen_> | hmm.. sure, im not doing anything else |
| 23:08 | <mdz> | thanks |
| 23:08 | <mdz> | it's kinda big, so I'd like someone to test it besides me |
| 23:09 | <lichen_> | alright thats cool |
| 23:09 | <mdz> | where should I send the diff? |
| 23:10 | <lichen_> | dcc if you want, or dhatch1@tampabay.rr.com |
| 23:10 | <Universe> | dude, lichen.. |
| 23:10 | <Universe> | your in tampa? |
| 23:10 | <lichen_> | yeah, ive mentioned that to you befoer actually :) |
| 23:11 | <Universe> | I thought someone did.. |
| 23:11 | <Universe> | heh.. |
| 23:11 | <mdz> | sent |
| 23:11 | <bigguy> | glad I'm not the only one with a poor memory |
| 23:11 | <mdz> | lichen_: you'll need to create a 'record' table as shown in mc.sql |
| 23:12 | <lichen_> | okay |
| 23:12 | * bigguy | makes a snack out of some baby carrots |
| 23:17 | <lichen_> | so i just gotta make the record table from the mc.sql and thats all the database changes i gotta worry about? .. i dont wanna muck up my database too much |
| 23:19 | <mdz> | well, what were you running before? |
| 23:19 | <mdz> | if you were on CVS, that's all you need to change |
| 23:19 | <lichen_> | the latest cvs |
| 23:19 | <lichen_> | oh okay cool |
| 23:19 | <mdz> | ok, then yes |
| 23:19 | <mdz> | it won't destroy any data |
| 23:19 | <lichen_> | and thats against the latest cvs right? |
| 23:20 | <mdz> | correct |
| 23:20 | <mdz> | it will just ignore your existing recording data and place new stuff in the new table |
| 23:20 | <lichen_> | alrighty |
| 23:21 | <mdz> | Chutt: which kde3 repository do you use? I want to get a g++-3.2 libqt3 from it |
| 23:24 | <_shad> | 23:24:23 up 48 days, 22:44, 10 users, load average: 4.26, 2.87, 1.46 |
| 23:24 | <_shad> | Stupid computer. |
| 23:35 | <mdz> | lichen_: those QDate::fromString: Parameter out of range messages are harmless, btw. haven't found out where they're coming from though |
| 23:35 | <lichen_> | hah alright |
| 23:36 | <mdz> | they probably won't show up for you, because you'll be creating your db entries using the ui |
| 23:36 | <mdz> | and so they shouldn't have any NULLs, which seems to be what causes the message |
| 23:36 | <mdz> | I think it's only in my older version of qt anyway |
| 23:36 | <lichen_> | alrighty.. still waiting for it to compile |
| 23:37 | <mdz> | I'm heading for bed soon |
| 23:37 | <mdz> | so if I'm not around, email me with your results |
| 23:37 | <lichen_> | i shall do |
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| 23:56 | <mdz> | Chutt: the only thing left with the merged recording table stuff is that ApplyRecordTimeChange doesn't work |
| 23:56 | <mdz> | Chutt: I never used it, but I'm not convinced that it worked in the first place |
| 23:59 | <mdz> | except for adjusting the endtime back to shorten the recording |
| 23:59 | <mdz> | which I think I could support with a strategic change of '=' to '<' |
