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| 13:29 | <jy> | anyone have an recommendations on a good vid card to do tv out that will look just like normal TV quality |
| 13:51 | <PhazE3> | I have good luck with my Hercules GeForce 2 GTS card |
| 13:51 | <jy> | k |
| 13:52 | <jy> | so that gives you good image when watching a saved show on your tv? |
| 13:52 | <PhazE3> | Yep... looks just like cable straight into tv |
| 13:53 | <jy> | ok.. thanks |
| 13:53 | <jy> | i'll look into getting that card then |
| 13:53 | <PhazE3> | I got mine for like 50 bucks on ebay |
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| 15:00 | * PhazE3 | is away: The MonkeYs GoT me |
| 15:09 | <Chutt> | hah |
| 15:09 | <Chutt> | c&d order waiting to happen |
| 15:09 | <liscio> | yeah. good one. :) |
| 15:10 | <Chutt> | i've been thinking that about that freeplaytv site as well |
| 15:10 | <Chutt> | that's _way_ too close to a trademarked name |
| 15:11 | <liscio> | indeed...same goes for freevo. :) |
| 15:11 | * PhazE3 | is back (gone 00:11:19) |
| 15:12 | <PhazE3> | p2p would surely get you a lawsuit |
| 15:12 | <Chutt> | not to mention being extremely silly |
| 15:13 | <liscio> | yeah. that guy's email was one of many "visionary" emails you see popping up on projects' mailing lists... :) |
| 15:13 | <PhazE3> | lol |
| 15:13 | <liscio> | "What I'd like to see, is everyone in the world using MythTV in their cars with wireless GPRS access to their home machines and streaming video live for their kids in the back seat..." |
| 15:14 | <liscio> | "...who will have access to individual tuner cards and can watch seperate channels..." |
| 15:14 | <PhazE3> | We dont want MythTV going the way of Napster... MythTV A Porn Recording and Sharing System |
| 15:14 | <liscio> | *shrug* if you want it, code it. |
| 15:14 | <Chutt> | bah, napster's coming back |
| 15:14 | <liscio> | :) |
| 15:15 | <Chutt> | roxio owns all their stuff, now |
| 15:15 | <PhazE3> | did not know that... Last I heard it was going porn |
| 15:15 | <liscio> | Well the idea will not really die, so there's not much people can do to stop people from sharing... |
| 15:15 | <liscio> | Yeah. I heard it was going porn too. My IT law prof brought it up, actually. :) |
| 15:16 | <PhazE3> | Yep... People will always want something for free |
| 15:16 | <Chutt> | that was just the only bid for them that was made public before the sale |
| 15:16 | <Chutt> | (to roxio0 |
| 15:16 | <PhazE3> | ahhh |
| 15:16 | <Chutt> | it was a crappy bid, too |
| 15:16 | <liscio> | Interesting that roxio bought it...I wonder how it will resurface. |
| 15:16 | <PhazE3> | I would assume as a pay service |
| 15:16 | <Chutt> | they've got a good chunk of the important employees, too |
| 15:17 | <liscio> | Record companies have to learn to provide the end-user with some *gasp!* value... |
| 15:17 | <PhazE3> | I know everthing is overpriced but I still like to support the artists I listen to. |
| 15:17 | * liscio | will stick to buying and ripping his own... |
| 15:17 | <liscio> | I don't trust stupid pimple-faced punks to rip the songs I like... |
| 15:18 | <PhazE3> | Yep... I get to controll quality when I rip it |
| 15:18 | <liscio> | "Line out looped back around my monitor to line in, and hit record..." |
| 15:18 | <liscio> | :) |
| 15:18 | <PhazE3> | lol |
| 15:18 | <Chutt> | vorbis -q7 minimum, mmm |
| 15:18 | <liscio> | Is it just me, or is mythmusic really, *really* slow at ripping CDs? |
| 15:19 | <Chutt> | shouldn't be any slower than anything else |
| 15:19 | <Chutt> | it's just using cdparanoia |
| 15:19 | <PhazE3> | Have not used mythmusic yet |
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| 15:19 | <Chutt> | it does wait for stuff to encode, etc |
| 15:19 | * liscio | only knows how fast his MusicMatch can go in Windows...and it sure as hell isn't *that* slow... |
| 15:19 | <liscio> | :) |
| 15:20 | <Chutt> | cdparanoia's fairly slow, though |
| 15:20 | <PhazE3> | its probably not ripping and encoding on the fly like MusicMatch does |
| 15:20 | <liscio> | Damn. It's really a pain to wait about 20-30 mins to rip a CD. :P |
| 15:20 | <liscio> | PhazE3: but the rip step takes way longer than the combined step in MM... |
| 15:21 | <PhazE3> | cdparanoia has always been slow |
| 15:21 | <PhazE3> | one time I found some other rip program for *nix but I can not remember what it was called. It was really fast though. It was a branch off of cdparanoia |
| 15:22 | <Chutt> | well, i am just using the cdparanoia libraries, not calling it directly |
| 15:22 | <liscio> | Chutt: by the way, I found that the bug I had told you about earlier (live tv -> check conflicts) still locks up... |
| 15:22 | <liscio> | Chutt: with yesterday morning's CVS... |
| 15:22 | <Chutt> | heh, works fine for me |
| 15:22 | <Chutt> | i'll need a backtrace |
| 15:23 | <liscio> | Chutt: will do. I'll grab the latest cvs and see if I can repro it... |
| 15:23 | * liscio | has other problems occuring he needs to figure out. :P |
| 15:27 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 15:39 | <liscio> | Damnit. I think the floppy I installed in my mythbox is toast. I thought those things never died... :P |
| 15:40 | <PhazE3> | people still use floppys? :) |
| 15:40 | <liscio> | stupid bios updating. :P |
| 15:40 | <liscio> | Unless someone knows of a linux app that does it for me... |
| 15:40 | <PhazE3> | nope, sorry |
| 15:41 | <liscio> | It's really neat that on my Gigabyte mobo it has the bios utility right in the bios of the board... |
| 15:41 | <liscio> | trouble is, it needs a floppy to load the image. :P |
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| 15:55 | <mdz_> | floppy disks and drives are notoriously unreliable |
| 15:55 | <mdz_> | especially when they are infrequently used |
| 15:56 | <liscio> | Yeah, and they sometimes get sold for about 10 bucks... :) |
| 15:56 | <liscio> | hmm...do I want the super-sized mcdonalds combo, or the floppy drive today... |
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| 16:10 | <mdz_> | heh, Lego Andy is now posting exactly the same questions to the gatos list, ignoring my answers |
| 16:10 | <Chutt> | he didn't want those answers |
| 16:11 | <Chutt> | so, whatcha going to work on next? |
| 16:11 | <mdz_> | editing scheduled recordings |
| 16:12 | <Chutt> | cool. |
| 16:12 | <mdz_> | so that I can assign profiles from the UI |
| 16:12 | <mdz_> | should be easy enough to make it change the start/end time too |
| 16:12 | <mdz_> | if that's safe |
| 16:12 | <Chutt> | i think i'm going to make the settings UIs better.. import qwizard completely, make a section for the 'tooltip', etc |
| 16:13 | <Chutt> | all that crap |
| 16:13 | <Chutt> | it should be safe |
| 16:13 | <mdz_> | yeah, that needs doing |
| 16:13 | <mdz_> | also size hints for everything |
| 16:13 | <mdz_> | the theme selector in particular is hurting for it |
| 16:14 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 16:14 | <Chutt> | i don't really like how that works |
| 16:14 | <Chutt> | since if there's lots of themes... |
| 16:14 | <mdz_> | yeah, it should go on a separate screen |
| 16:14 | <Chutt> | it won't scale up well |
| 16:14 | <Chutt> | well, i really think it should be a combo box and a single preview pixmap =) |
| 16:14 | <mdz_> | you say that after I made the image selector :-P |
| 16:15 | <Chutt> | hey, i think i said that before that |
| 16:15 | <Chutt> | i'll look into changing it |
| 16:15 | <mdz_> | it should be easy enough |
| 16:15 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 16:15 | <mdz_> | all the selector settings emit a valueChanged(int) |
| 16:16 | <mdz_> | I was going to have it reload the theme live like your themesetup |
| 16:17 | <mdz_> | but it was late |
| 16:17 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 16:20 | <Chutt> | bah, more real work to do |
| 16:20 | <mdz_> | things are really slow here |
| 16:25 | <liscio> | Hmm. With all the changes that have been going on lately, I seem to have lost my xmltv. I'm assuming this has to do with the new xmltv source scheme? |
| 16:26 | <liscio> | (or grabber defined on a per-source-basis, rather) |
| 16:26 | <liscio> | And by "lost my xmltv" I mean "getting mean emails from cron saying xmltv has no channel sources defined" |
| 16:26 | <Chutt> | have to update your database schema |
| 16:26 | <Chutt> | and run setup |
| 16:27 | <liscio> | Chutt: with 0-7-0-8 ? |
| 16:27 | <mdz_> | hmm, something should be done about that setup-comes-up-really-tiny issue |
| 16:27 | <mdz_> | assuming it happens to other people |
| 16:27 | <mdz_> | I thought it defaulted to full-screen |
| 16:27 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 16:28 | <Chutt> | it's kinda funny |
| 16:28 | <Chutt> | it should be |
| 16:28 | * liscio | moves to his tv_pc to be a bit more productive... |
| 16:28 | <liscio> | brb |
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| 16:28 | <Chutt> | well |
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| 16:29 | <Chutt> | the settings stuff isn't using the mythdialog class, right? |
| 16:29 | <liscio> | okay, so do I have to blow away my old db to get the newest cvs stuff working properly? |
| 16:31 | <mdz_> | it is |
| 16:31 | <mdz_> | you did that :-) |
| 16:31 | <mdz_> | well, the settings stuff itself isn't, but all of the dialogs that wrap it up do |
| 16:32 | <mdz_> | I guess as long as each dialog is only used either in setup or in the frontend, but not both, they could be divided up |
| 16:32 | <mdz_> | and the setup stuff would use a dialog that doesn't use mythdialog |
| 16:35 | * liscio | makes distclean, makes... |
| 16:36 | <liscio> | ...and now I shall sample yet another gingerbread man... |
| 16:37 | <liscio> | Okay, so what is the current process that a new user has to endure to get mythtv up and running (assuming CVS is released...) |
| 16:37 | <mdz_> | same as always, except run mythbackend before running mythfrontend |
| 16:37 | <mdz_> | and setup needs an X display |
| 16:37 | <liscio> | mdz: so mc.sql is fully up-to-date then, correct? |
| 16:38 | <liscio> | ooh...graphical setup...yummy. |
| 16:38 | <Chutt> | i don't think mc.sql is fully updated yet |
| 16:38 | <mdz_> | liscio: it may or may not be at the moment; it will be when the release is made |
| 16:38 | <liscio> | Is graphical setup exactly the same as the mythfrontend gui? |
| 16:38 | <mdz_> | exactly? |
| 16:39 | <mdz_> | the look and feel is the same (at least for now) |
| 16:39 | <mdz_> | it changes different settings |
| 16:39 | <mdz_> | eventually it should handle all of the backend settings |
| 16:39 | <liscio> | does it do mythfilldatabase for you now? |
| 16:39 | <mdz_> | no |
| 16:39 | <mdz_> | it does the xmltv configuration though |
| 16:39 | <liscio> | okay. is that something you guys are working on? |
| 16:40 | <mdz_> | I don't know how Chutt feels about it, but I think mythfilldatabase should be a separate step |
| 16:40 | <mdz_> | there are too many things that can go wrong, xmltv, zap2it, etc. |
| 16:40 | <mdz_> | and it takes forever to run |
| 16:40 | <liscio> | wouldn't it be nice if mythfilldatabase could be sent to run in the background while the user is in the app? |
| 16:40 | <mdz_> | that would make it even less likely that the user would catch errors |
| 16:41 | <liscio> | hmm... |
| 16:41 | <mdz_> | maybe it would be nice if mythfilldatabase could take an option to just fetch the channel lists and no program info |
| 16:41 | <liscio> | yeah. to run it initially, maybe... |
| 16:41 | <mdz_> | then it could try that, and then the user could watch live right away |
| 16:41 | <mdz_> | I dunno though |
| 16:41 | <liscio> | hmm... |
| 16:42 | <mdz_> | if you want an average TV user to be able to run this thing out of the box, you have your work cut out for you |
| 16:42 | <mdz_> | and I look forward to your patches ;-) |
| 16:43 | <liscio> | :D |
| 16:44 | <liscio> | gack. do you guys search for channel providers after entering 5 chars into the zip code field? if so. shame on you canada-insensitive people! :) |
| 16:45 | <mdz_> | it searches on every character when there are at least 5 |
| 16:45 | <mdz_> | because I was too lazy to have it figure out if the input was a valid postcode |
| 16:45 | <liscio> | Yeah. noticed that... |
| 16:45 | <mdz_> | especially with your crazy alphanumeric codes |
| 16:45 | <mdz_> | but it should work fine with a short delay |
| 16:46 | <mdz_> | if you want to write a function to test that, I could drop it right it |
| 16:46 | <mdz_> | in |
| 16:46 | <liscio> | hmm...is there a problem with zap2it today? |
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| 16:52 | <mdz_> | works fine here |
| 16:56 | <liscio> | hmm...even with 0.5.5 I'm getting trouble... |
| 16:56 | <mdz_> | ii libxmltv-perl 0.5.3-1 Programs to handle the XMLTV file format for |
| 16:57 | <liscio> | damn. and I just blew away a week of perfectly good program info... |
| 16:59 | <mdz_> | I've thought about making mythfilldatabase cache the output from xmltv |
| 16:59 | <mdz_> | but there are bigger fish to fry |
| 17:01 | <liscio> | hmm...when I go to their page I am seeing a vbscript error below the area where I *should* see my listings. damnit. |
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| 17:14 | <m0tion> | hey, when I try to import a CD with mythmusic, I get a seg fault. Whats the best way to determine the cause of this? |
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| 17:24 | <TheAsp> | hey vinux :P |
| 17:24 | * Vee2d2 | bludgeons TheAsp with a mongoose |
| 17:24 | <TheAsp> | you ARE on alot of freakin channels |
| 17:25 | <Vee2d2> | a few |
| 17:25 | <TheAsp> | do #pg and #mysql get mad at you for double crossing each other? |
| 17:26 | <Vee2d2> | nahh.. =) dont unveil my secret though! heh |
| 17:26 | <TheAsp> | heheh |
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| 17:31 | <PhazE3> | Does anyone know if SuSe uses alsa by default... Im resetting up my myth box and thought about SuSe |
| 17:32 | <mdz_> | suse-multimedia would be a more effective place to ask than #mythtv |
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| 17:32 | <TheAsp> | Is suse a charactor in toy story??? :) |
| 17:33 | <PhazE3> | lol |
| 17:33 | <PhazE3> | okay... Ill check there |
| 17:33 | <TheAsp> | did you know myth segs when you make install and it's running? :) |
| 17:33 | <mdz_> | yep |
| 17:33 | <TheAsp> | i keep learning that lesson |
| 17:34 | <mdz_> | I'm honestly not sure why, though |
| 17:34 | <mdz_> | it should work |
| 17:34 | <TheAsp> | does it happen when you upgrade the debs aswell? |
| 17:35 | <PhazE3> | famous system admin words "It should work" |
| 17:36 | <mdz_> | it does |
| 17:36 | <TheAsp> | *shrug* atleast i know im running the right backend :) |
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| 17:44 | <mdz_> | I assumed it was NFS being funny about open-but-deleted files |
| 17:44 | <mdz_> | I don't suppose you're running with an NFS root... |
| 17:45 | <Chutt> | happens to me as well |
| 17:45 | <Chutt> | don't know why =) |
| 17:45 | <TheAsp> | is the epg in libmyth? |
| 17:45 | <TheAsp> | mdz: nope... you? |
| 17:46 | <TheAsp> | Chutt/mdz: don't fix it :) |
| 17:46 | <Chutt> | yeah, the program guide lives in libmyth |
| 17:46 | <mdz_> | TheAsp: yep |
| 17:47 | <mdz_> | must be qt :-P |
| 17:47 | <TheAsp> | what function is making those boxes? :) |
| 17:47 | <Chutt> | which boxes? |
| 17:47 | <TheAsp> | the ones in the epg, that you said the generation of was slowing down scrolling |
| 17:47 | <Chutt> | everything's in guidegrid.cpp |
| 17:47 | <mdz_> | I believe that's the guidegrid class |
| 17:47 | <Chutt> | oh, just edit your theme's qtlook.txt |
| 17:47 | <Chutt> | or qt.txt or whatever i call it |
| 17:48 | <Chutt> | and remove the category colors |
| 17:48 | <TheAsp> | oh, i was going to fix it |
| 17:48 | <Chutt> | err, how? |
| 17:48 | <TheAsp> | *shrug* |
| 17:48 | <TheAsp> | have to read it first :) |
| 17:49 | <Chutt> | i doubt there's much you can do with it |
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| 18:01 | <TheAsp> | you say it's the blending thats doing it? |
| 18:01 | <TheAsp> | why not just have a buffer for each color covering the whole screen? |
| 18:01 | <TheAsp> | i spose it would be expensive for memory... |
| 18:01 | <Chutt> | very much so |
| 18:02 | <TheAsp> | isnt there any Qt magic to do that? |
| 18:02 | <mdz_> | apparently, some sample code for radeon tv-out has surfaced under NDA |
| 18:02 | <mdz_> | maybe I will actually be able to have myth fill my entire tv soon |
| 18:06 | <TheAsp> | Chutt: couldnt you make an image with an alpha layer and overlay it? |
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| 18:42 | <mdz> | KickDatabase: Lost connection to MySQL server during query |
| 18:42 | <mdz> | Changing from None to RecordingOnly |
| 18:42 | <mdz> | Changing from RecordingOnly to None |
| 18:42 | <mdz> | KickDatabase: Lost connection to MySQL server during query |
| 18:42 | <mdz> | working as klud^Wdesigned |
| 18:45 | <mdz> | hmm, there is apparently a version of the gatos km driver which supports mmap |
| 18:47 | <Chutt> | then people will complain that they don't have any video |
| 18:47 | <Chutt> | instead of complaining when it fails the ioctls =) |
| 18:48 | <Chutt> | theasp, i think that'd be slower |
| 19:16 | <TheAsp> | hmm |
| 19:16 | <TheAsp> | it's not all that fast without the alpha stuff |
| 19:16 | <TheAsp> | and QImage::fill looks broken :P |
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| 20:26 | <bpeck> | anyone here use nvtv? |
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| 21:49 | <giuppi> | is there isaac around ? |
| 21:51 | <bigguy> | Isaac is Chutt but I don't think he is around |
| 21:52 | <giuppi> | thanks bigguy |
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| 23:10 | <mdz> | "Agree. Especially for something non-realtime such as mythtv." |
| 23:17 | <_shad> | Yay |
| 23:17 | <_shad> | :) |
| 23:17 | <mdz> | I've got to stop replying to that guy, he only gets worse |
| 23:17 | <_shad> | Henk? |
| 23:18 | <mdz> | "Lego Andy" |
| 23:18 | <_shad> | hehe |
| 23:19 | <TheAsp> | is mythmusic usable now with large collections? |
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| 23:27 | <TheAsp> | "lets find out" |
| 23:33 | <Chutt> | mdz, from the gatos list? |
| 23:33 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 23:33 | <Chutt> | so that guy says he doesn't want to support mmap because it makes multiple capture applications hard |
| 23:33 | <Chutt> | well, that's stupid |
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| 23:56 | <mdz> | he's very big on using read() for capture |
| 23:56 | <mdz> | which makes no sense, must be slow as all get-go |
