| 00:00 | <_shad> | ya, either type in, hit enter, which goes to next screen. or type in, click next, or type in, tab away, click next |
| 00:00 | <_shad> | none let me change it |
| 00:00 | <_shad> | but if I use the arrow, it works every time |
| 00:00 | <mdz_> | what version of qt are you running? |
| 00:01 | <_shad> | *** Opt devel libqt3-dev 3.1.0+cvs.2 3.1.0+cvs.2 Qt GUI development files |
| 00:01 | <mdz_> | maybe it emits a different signal when you type it in, hmm |
| 00:01 | <_shad> | hmm |
| 00:01 | <_shad> | some times it did accept it though |
| 00:03 | * _shad | goes back to overclocking :) |
| 00:03 | <mdz_> | yeah, I see it here when I use the keyboard |
| 00:03 | <_shad> | hrm |
| 00:04 | <mdz_> | maybe a qt bug |
| 00:04 | <mdz_> | according to the documentation this should work |
| 00:04 | <_shad> | ya |
| 00:04 | <Chutt> | it does emit a different signal, i though |
| 00:04 | <Chutt> | thought |
| 00:04 | <mdz_> | This signal is emitted every time the value of the spin box changes; the new value is passed in value. This signal will be emitted as a result of a call to setValue(), or because the user changed the value by using a keyboard accelerator or mouse click, etc. |
| 00:05 | <mdz_> | that's for the (int) signal, which is the one I use |
| 00:07 | <Chutt> | yeah, but that doesn't seem to handle the user editing the text box |
| 00:12 | * _shad | is about to get sent 4.4gigs of mame roms |
| 00:12 | * bigguy | wants |
| 00:12 | <bigguy> | :) |
| 00:12 | <_shad> | heh |
| 00:12 | <_shad> | wait till I get it first :P |
| 00:12 | <bigguy> | heh |
| 00:13 | <Chutt> | missing a few |
| 00:13 | <_shad> | :) |
| 00:23 | <_shad> | ASSERT: "i <= nodes" in /usr/share/qt/include/qvaluelist.h (372) |
| 00:23 | <_shad> | heh |
| 00:26 | <Chutt> | that's nice, find where it's coming from |
| 00:26 | <_shad> | once i restarted mythtv it fixed itself |
| 00:27 | <_shad> | it was showing garbage for the program info |
| 00:27 | <_shad> | but the epg worked fine |
| 00:27 | <Chutt> | right |
| 00:27 | <_shad> | ok, there's a setting for buffersize in settings.txt and in the gui, which one is it using? |
| 00:28 | <_shad> | I can't reproduce that problem again though. |
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| 00:31 | <Chutt> | hrm |
| 00:31 | <Chutt> | kde was going wacky |
| 00:33 | <_shad> | heh |
| 00:33 | <_shad> | what ver? |
| 00:34 | <_shad> | Hrm. should get to bed. 12:30am, have an exam today :)... well, 2 :) |
| 00:35 | * _shad | waves good night |
| 00:36 | <Chutt> | g'nite |
| 00:36 | <_shad> | night |
| 00:36 | <_shad> | I'll find more bugs tomorrow. :) |
| 01:00 | <mdz_> | Chutt: I can't find anything in the docs that I would need to handle differently for user editing vs. increment/decrement |
| 01:00 | <mdz_> | http://doc.trolltech.com/3.1/qspinbox.html#interpretText |
| 01:01 | <mdz_> | seems to say that it will set the integer value after an idet |
| 01:01 | <mdz_> | edit |
| 01:01 | <mdz_> | there is a textChanged() signal, but I don't see why it should be different |
| 01:05 | <mdz_> | that probably gets emitted for every change made, like whenever the user presses a key in the edit box, which I don't want anyway |
| 01:07 | <mdz_> | maybe it should be non-editable |
| 01:08 | <mdz_> | " This signal is emitted whenever the valueChanged( int ) signal is emitted, i.e. every time the value of the spin box changes (whatever the cause..." |
| 01:08 | <mdz_> | that's pretty explicit |
| 01:11 | <mdz_> | so if that signal isn't being emitted, then the value of the spin box hasn't changed, and I have nothing to save :-P |
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| 01:27 | <randum> | ok, I'm having trouble getting video out of vid4linux with my tv card... non myth-specific... I get only static in xawtv... can anyone point me to an maillist/irc chan where someone might be able to help troubleshoot? |
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| 01:30 | <randum> | accidently logged off, so in the unlikely event that someone responded to my question in the last minute, pls repeat ;) |
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| 02:58 | <Chutt> | digdug, around? |
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| 03:27 | <Soopaman> | _shad, you do roms? |
| 03:27 | <Soopaman> | mdz, you around? |
| 03:28 | <Soopaman> | vektor too |
| 03:28 | <Soopaman> | heheh |
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| 11:30 | <TheAsp> | Is there an easy way to get mythtv to install into /opt? |
| 11:30 | <nevertheless> | just change the prefix dir in settings.pro |
| 11:31 | <nevertheless> | maybe you have to change the lib-dir, too |
| 11:31 | <TheAsp> | ahh, there it is |
| 11:32 | <DigDug> | Shouldn't you use ./configure --prefix=/opt? |
| 11:32 | <TheAsp> | DigDug: that only does the libraries |
| 11:33 | <DigDug> | Not the binaries? |
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| 11:35 | <mdz> | --prefix does, well, nothing |
| 11:35 | <nevertheless> | yepp |
| 11:36 | <DigDug> | How silly. Whats with the settings.pro stuff anyway? |
| 11:37 | <nevertheless> | what should be with it? |
| 11:38 | <TheAsp> | DigDug: qmake stuff |
| 11:38 | <TheAsp> | hey, yeah, thats broken |
| 11:38 | <TheAsp> | POS |
| 11:38 | <TheAsp> | :P |
| 11:39 | <TheAsp> | thats from ffmpeg, right? |
| 11:56 | <mdz> | I believe so |
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| 12:23 | <TheAsp> | does the frontend always connect to the backend over tcp? |
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| 12:52 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 12:54 | <Chutt> | i wonder if henk is going to do anything besides write stupid emails to the list |
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| 13:36 | <TheAsp> | hmm... my profiles didnt get created right this time |
| 13:37 | <TheAsp> | didnt seem to save the heights... |
| 13:38 | <Chutt> | you have to use the slider, not edit the edit box |
| 13:38 | <TheAsp> | ahh |
| 13:38 | <TheAsp> | i used mysql.. :) |
| 13:39 | <TheAsp> | havent been able to make it crash, but got a qnotifier error which stoped playing |
| 13:41 | <Chutt> | if you can reproduce that and track it down, i'd appreciate that |
| 13:41 | <TheAsp> | *nod*, my machine has issues so it couild have been anything |
| 13:42 | <TheAsp> | oh, you ment the qsocket thing? |
| 13:43 | <mdz> | is henk capable of more than sending emails to the list? |
| 13:43 | <Chutt> | the qsocket thing |
| 13:43 | <Chutt> | mdz, that's what i'm wondering =) |
| 13:43 | <Chutt> | theasp, some other people have that problem, but i can't reproduce it |
| 13:44 | <mdz> | S/N of mythtv-dev seems to have decreased sharply over the past 2 months |
| 13:44 | <Chutt> | almost 400 people now, i think |
| 13:44 | The_TiK | TheAsp Dec 16 13:45:21 <mdz> TheAsp: are you saying that you changed the settings in the GUI and they didn't get saved to the DB? or that you tried to change them in the db and they weren't recognized? |
| 13:47 | <TheAsp> | mdz: i changed them, but the defaults got written |
| 13:48 | <TheAsp> | so i changed them by hand |
| 13:48 | The_TiK | TheAsp Dec 16 13:49:21 <mdz> TheAsp: did you key a value into the box, rather than incrementing/decrementing it? |
| 13:49 | <mdz> | that is the only case I know of where it doesn't get saved |
| 13:49 | <mdz> | apparently, everyone but me has a keyboard on their mythtv box... |
| 13:50 | <TheAsp> | mdz: yeah |
| 13:50 | <TheAsp> | :P |
| 14:03 | <mdz> | I think the only way to fix that is to connect to the textChanged signal of the embedded qlineedit |
| 14:03 | <mdz> | which is stupid |
| 14:04 | <mdz> | so I think disabling edits is a better option :-P |
| 14:06 | <mdz> | when you edit it, it just sets a flag saying it was edited, and doesn't interpret the value until you increment/decrement, refresh the display, or some other silly thing |
| 14:07 | <mdz> | should also work to press enter over it |
| 14:07 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 14:07 | <Chutt> | yeah, just disable edits |
| 14:09 | <mdz> | it looks like it tries to interpret it on tab/backtab too |
| 14:09 | <mdz> | but it does it by looking for the key, so it doesn'tn work with the up/down focus change |
| 14:09 | <Chutt> | right |
| 14:09 | <Chutt> | i'd say just disable edits |
| 14:10 | <Chutt> | since that'd allow people to put in bad values, too |
| 14:10 | <mdz> | yep |
| 14:10 | <mdz> | I don't think there are any values which have so many possibilities that it is a problem |
| 14:16 | <mdz> | great, I can't even set it read-only without deriving a new QSpinBox |
| 14:16 | <mdz> | the editor widget is protected |
| 14:17 | <Chutt> | if it's protected, you should be able to touch it |
| 14:17 | <Chutt> | well |
| 14:17 | <Chutt> | i thought you had your own spinbox? |
| 14:17 | <Chutt> | already? |
| 14:17 | <mdz> | nope |
| 14:19 | <mdz> | oh, you're rigth |
| 14:19 | <Chutt> | MythSpinBox |
| 14:19 | <mdz> | forgot all about it :-) |
| 14:21 | <TheAsp> | commenting out CONFIG += release and uncommenting the one for debug enough to run gdb on the frontend? |
| 14:22 | <mdz> | did you find the best way to fix the wizard? is there some way to derive a new class that does what we want, or do we have to copy it? |
| 14:22 | <Chutt> | yup |
| 14:22 | The_TiK | TheAsp Dec 16 14:22:18 <Chutt> mdz, probably easiest to copy it |
| 14:22 | <mdz> | TheAsp: assuming you recompile everything ;-) |
| 14:22 | <Chutt> | it's only like 600 lines, when you remove all the excessive commenting |
| 14:22 | <TheAsp> | mdz: hehe :) |
| 14:23 | <Chutt> | and if we copy it, might be easier to do the help stuff eventually |
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| 14:35 | <TheAsp> | woah, slow without optimization |
| 14:36 | <TheAsp> | hmmm... 50000 mins behind :) |
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| 14:40 | <mdz> | wow, there really is a libavcodec error that says only "incorrect codes" |
| 14:40 | <mdz> | how informative |
| 14:53 | <TheAsp> | hmm |
| 14:53 | <TheAsp> | have a backtrace on that crash that ive been getting |
| 14:53 | <TheAsp> | not the qsocket thing |
| 14:54 | <TheAsp> | though it looks like it is part of qsocket :) |
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| 14:58 | <TheAsp> | anyone want to see it? |
| 14:58 | <Chutt> | yup |
| 14:59 | <TheAsp> | (gdb) bt |
| 14:59 | <TheAsp> | #0 0x40973be3 in memcpy () from /lib/libc.so.6 |
| 14:59 | <TheAsp> | #1 0x4054eea3 in QSocket::flush () from /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 |
| 14:59 | <TheAsp> | #2 0x400bda6d in WriteStringList (socket=0x8213248, list=@0xbf5ff910) |
| 14:59 | <TheAsp> | at util.cpp:30 |
| 14:59 | <TheAsp> | #3 0x400a4547 in RemoteFile::RequestBlock (this=0x82130a8, size=128000) |
| 14:59 | <TheAsp> | at remotefile.cpp:183 |
| 14:59 | <TheAsp> | #4 0x0807cf57 in RingBuffer::safe_read (this=0x820d4a0, rf=0x82130a8, |
| 14:59 | <TheAsp> | data=0x41be0008, sz=33946) at RingBuffer.cpp:406 |
| 14:59 | <TheAsp> | #5 0x0807d0de in RingBuffer::Read (this=0x820d4a0, buf=0x41be0008, |
| 14:59 | <TheAsp> | count=33946) at RingBuffer.cpp:459 |
| 14:59 | <TheAsp> | #6 0x08057e81 in NuppelVideoPlayer::GetFrame (this=0x4137c008, onlyvideo=0) |
| 14:59 | <TheAsp> | at NuppelVideoPlayer.cpp:1069 |
| 14:59 | <TheAsp> | #7 0x08059bfb in NuppelVideoPlayer::StartPlaying (this=0x4137c008) |
| 14:59 | <TheAsp> | at NuppelVideoPlayer.cpp:1817 |
| 14:59 | <TheAsp> | #8 0x08050b08 in SpawnDecode (param=0x4137c008) at tv_play.cpp:38 |
| 14:59 | <TheAsp> | #9 0x4078806f in pthread_start_thread () from /lib/libpthread.so.0 |
| 14:59 | <TheAsp> | #10 0x407880b5 in pthread_start_thread_event () from /lib/libpthread.so.0 |
| 15:00 | <Chutt> | ok, same place as that other guys |
| 15:00 | <TheAsp> | i just let it play for 20 or so mins |
| 15:01 | <TheAsp> | mythtv was also starved a bit, backend was running at -15, plus it had gdb aswell |
| 15:01 | <TheAsp> | err |
| 15:01 | <TheAsp> | plus the frontend had gdb, not the backend |
| 15:02 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 15:02 | <moegreen> | Chutt: That is slightly different than the error I was getting |
| 15:02 | <Chutt> | moegreen, segfault in the flush(), i thought |
| 15:03 | <moegreen> | yeah, but unless the code has changed, i didn't have the memcpy() statement in mine |
| 15:03 | <TheAsp> | moegreen: what are you running? |
| 15:03 | <moegreen> | a recent cvs version, not sure which day |
| 15:03 | <Chutt> | well, it's still in the flush() |
| 15:03 | <moegreen> | true |
| 15:03 | <TheAsp> | no, which dist/libqt version |
| 15:04 | <moegreen> | debian/qt3.1 |
| 15:04 | <TheAsp> | same here |
| 15:09 | <mdz> | DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=nostrip apt-get source -b libqt3-mt |
| 15:09 | <mdz> | see what's going on in QSocket::flush |
| 15:10 | <TheAsp> | ok |
| 15:12 | <Chutt> | yeah, that'd help |
| 15:13 | <Chutt> | the error message you get seems to indicate that there's two things trying to write to the socket at once, though |
| 15:13 | <Chutt> | which is, well, kinda hard to accomplish since i've got mutex locks around all access to that control socket |
| 15:13 | <TheAsp> | *nodU |
| 15:14 | <TheAsp> | gdb is much nicer with c++ and threads then it used to be |
| 15:14 | <Chutt> | yup |
| 15:15 | <TheAsp> | qt take long to build? |
| 15:15 | <Chutt> | probably |
| 15:21 | <TheAsp> | the frontend for 0.7 doesn't seem to grab focus when it starts |
| 15:26 | <mdz> | qt can take a long time |
| 15:26 | <mdz> | hours depending on your hardware |
| 15:27 | <TheAsp> | 1gHz amd with a ton of ram? |
| 15:29 | <mdz> | 7 hours on the Debian ia64 autobuilder |
| 15:30 | <Chutt> | yeah, that's really comparable :p |
| 15:30 | <mdz> | 3 hours on alpha |
| 15:30 | <mdz> | that's probably comparable |
| 15:31 | <mdz> | call it 2 hours for a moderate amd box |
| 15:36 | <TheAsp> | ok |
| 15:44 | <nevertheless> | is the bug reported in here (http://www.gossamer-threads.com/perl/mailarc/gforum.cgi?post=52312;search_string=MythTV%20Bug;guest=140161&t=search_engine#52312) covered? |
| 15:45 | <Chutt> | i've never seen it happen |
| 15:45 | <nevertheless> | i have that quite often |
| 15:45 | <nevertheless> | but i could not find any cause for that |
| 15:47 | <TheAsp> | hasnt happened to me |
| 15:47 | <TheAsp> | i have had it go through periods where the framerate was about ~1fps, and need to fastforward and rewinde to fix it |
| 15:48 | <Chutt> | never seen that happen, either |
| 15:48 | <Chutt> | =) |
| 15:48 | <nevertheless> | hehe :) |
| 15:48 | <TheAsp> | happens (in 0.7) during starvation |
| 15:49 | <Chutt> | ah, well, i've always got plenty of cpu free =) |
| 15:49 | <TheAsp> | i figgured :) |
| 15:50 | <TheAsp> | so just what does the mp3 quality setting do? |
| 15:50 | <Chutt> | tells lame how hard to work at compressing things |
| 15:51 | <TheAsp> | it's the -q option? |
| 15:52 | <Chutt> | yup |
| 15:52 | <TheAsp> | ok |
| 15:53 | <TheAsp> | that should have been obvious but ive been using ogg too much :) |
| 15:53 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 15:53 | <Chutt> | yeah |
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| 16:00 | * TheAsp | taps his foot |
| 16:13 | <mdz> | oggenc's -q is entirely different from the mythtv quality setting though |
| 16:13 | <TheAsp> | mdz: yeah, thats why i was asking |
| 16:13 | <mdz> | mythtv always uses the same bitrate, just more CPU for higher quality |
| 16:14 | <mdz> | personally, I can't tell the difference between 9 and anything else for TV audio |
| 16:14 | <Chutt> | i can |
| 16:14 | <Chutt> | but i've got a nice stereo =) |
| 16:14 | <TheAsp> | i didnt notice a difference between 7 and 8 :) |
| 16:15 | <Chutt> | mainly on background audio |
| 16:15 | <TheAsp> | *nod* |
| 16:15 | <TheAsp> | is there a faster deinterlacer out there? |
| 16:17 | <vektor> | tvtime! |
| 16:17 | * vektor | just kidding |
| 16:18 | <bigguy> | if you wanna get a custom front panel made for your htpc. I heard http://www.frontpanelexpress.com/ does good work and they have a front panel designer program available for free download |
| 16:19 | <TheAsp> | tvtime isnt bad :P |
| 16:21 | <bigguy> | "Hi! My name is vektor. Did I tell you tvtime owns you? No? Well it does." |
| 16:22 | <TheAsp> | whats with the clock and tv in the top right hand corner? |
| 16:22 | <TheAsp> | in tvtime |
| 16:22 | <Chutt> | tv and time |
| 16:22 | <Chutt> | tvtime :p |
| 16:23 | <TheAsp> | ahhhhhhhhhh |
| 16:23 | <TheAsp> | so it serves no purpose? |
| 16:23 | <Chutt> | it's just the logo |
| 16:24 | <Universe> | vektor is just here to talk about his program... |
| 16:24 | <Universe> | and steal code.. |
| 16:24 | <Universe> | :-P |
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| 16:29 | * TheAsp | constructs a sentence using several of the words you can't say on television, qt, and c++. |
| 16:50 | The_TiK | TheAsp Dec 16 16:50:07 <mdz> TheAsp: it beats the alternatives |
| 16:55 | <TheAsp> | i'm more complaining about the compile time |
| 16:56 | <Universe> | lol.. |
| 16:56 | <Universe> | its like watching the grass grow |
| 16:56 | <TheAsp> | reminds me of my 486 :) |
| 16:59 | <mdz> | Qt doesn't even use templates, I don't think |
| 17:00 | <mdz> | I shudder to think how slow it would be if it did |
| 17:02 | <Soopaman> | fucking sweet |
| 17:02 | <Soopaman> | finally settop box @90% |
| 17:02 | <Soopaman> | this last 10% is getting a working mythtv iteration up |
| 17:03 | <mdz> | eh? what was the first 90%? |
| 17:03 | <mdz> | getting mythtv working is the last 90% |
| 17:03 | <Soopaman> | a fault tolerant environment |
| 17:03 | <Soopaman> | that can be updated via www |
| 17:04 | <Soopaman> | run deskyop apps |
| 17:04 | <Soopaman> | and fit in under20mbs |
| 17:04 | <Soopaman> | :() |
| 17:04 | <Soopaman> | err :) |
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| 17:24 | <liscio> | So happy to get another exam out of the way..jeez. |
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| 17:25 | * liscio | puts a lasagna in the oven...mmm... |
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| 18:05 | <dSV3Hl> | ok |
| 18:05 | <dSV3Hl> | compiled and installed |
| 18:09 | <_shad> | Yoyoyo |
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| 19:22 | <_shad> | QSocketNotifier: Multiple socket notifiers for same socket 12 and type write |
| 19:22 | <_shad> | ? |
| 19:35 | <moegreen> | _shad: I've had this same problem ... unexplained thus far but I think there needs to be a check to ensure that there isn't currently an entry that maps the a socket to the QSocketNotifier |
| 19:36 | * liscio | grumbles. stupid lm_sensors not working... |
| 19:38 | <_shad> | hmm |
| 19:38 | <_shad> | liscio: YOu're just not smart enough :) |
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| 19:44 | <liscio> | _shad: where were you when I needed you 20 minutes ago... :) |
| 19:45 | <liscio> | I have it working now. that program sucks ass for configuring. :) |
| 19:47 | <liscio> | anyone know off-hand what the danger zone is for the athlon xp temperature-wise? |
| 19:50 | <_shad> | heh |
| 19:51 | <liscio> | Just curious. I can't seem to find the spec anywhere within arm's reach... |
| 19:52 | <liscio> | oh...reprasing my search helped a lot. :) |
| 19:52 | <_shad> | :) |
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| 19:53 | <liscio> | You know what annoys me? I can't seem to find one site online where someone has modded their stock oem athlonxp fan. :( |
| 19:53 | <liscio> | I really don't want to figure out how to change the speed on my own... :) |
| 19:53 | <liscio> | I *could* always grab a fan-mate though... |
| 19:56 | <_shad> | :) |
| 19:56 | <_shad> | I'm so tired |
| 19:56 | <_shad> | I hate exams |
| 19:56 | <Universe> | overclockers.com? |
| 19:56 | <Universe> | a full database of overclocked CPUs |
| 19:58 | <liscio> | I don't really know if overclocked CPU databases are as helpful as just the spec... |
| 19:58 | <liscio> | the spec is far lower than those often inflated numbers... |
| 19:58 | <Universe> | see if I try to help again |
| 19:59 | <_shad> | Haha |
| 20:00 | <liscio> | :) |
| 20:00 | * liscio | will just subtract a few percent off the upper-bound of the temps I find there... :) |
| 20:03 | <Soopaman> | now |
| 20:03 | <Soopaman> | am i man enough to attempt to install mythtv again?... |
| 20:03 | <Soopaman> | heheh |
| 20:04 | <Universe> | use cvs Soopaman |
| 20:04 | <Universe> | its fun |
| 20:05 | <Soopaman> | ahahha |
| 20:06 | <Soopaman> | i have almost built a career of finding ways around cvs |
| 20:06 | <liscio> | max. die temp for all model 6 cpus is 90 celcius... |
| 20:06 | <liscio> | fyi |
| 20:06 | <Soopaman> | mind is running at 30degrees |
| 20:06 | <Universe> | thats hot |
| 20:06 | <Soopaman> | xp1800 |
| 20:06 | <liscio> | hehe...my cpu is apparentlly running at -127. :D |
| 20:06 | <Soopaman> | lol |
| 20:07 | <Soopaman> | that is cooooool :P |
| 20:07 | <liscio> | shit...now it's +127 |
| 20:07 | <liscio> | now -128 |
| 20:07 | * liscio | thinks there *might* be a problem. |
| 20:07 | <Universe> | lol |
| 20:07 | <Universe> | with your monitor is whacked |
| 20:07 | <Universe> | think your.. |
| 20:11 | <liscio> | hmm...getting a new mobo soon. might not be worth my time to be super-concerned with the settings of this thing right now... |
| 20:11 | * liscio | hopes the SiS 730S works fine with leenoox. |
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| 20:20 | <liscio> | hmm...i thought there was a way to monitor temperature using acpi...*shrug* |
| 20:25 | <Soopaman> | Universe, what temp do you run at? |
| 20:25 | <Universe> | not sure |
| 20:25 | <Universe> | its crazy high tho |
| 20:25 | <Soopaman> | hheh |
| 20:26 | <Soopaman> | i thought my 30 was good |
| 20:26 | <Universe> | 30 C? |
| 20:26 | <Soopaman> | especially when the heatsink is cool to the touch |
| 20:26 | <Soopaman> | yeah |
| 20:26 | <Universe> | yeah |
| 20:26 | <Soopaman> | a few degrees over room temp |
| 20:26 | <Universe> | thats damn good |
| 20:26 | <Soopaman> | oh i thought you said that was damn high as in bad |
| 20:27 | <Universe> | mine runs crazy high |
| 20:28 | <Soopaman> | what temp? |
| 20:31 | <Universe> | <Universe> not sure |
| 20:31 | <Universe> | :-) |
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| 20:55 | <liscio> | http://us.enlightcorp.com/products/pc/detel.php?kind=pccase&serial=71 |
| 20:55 | <liscio> | Check that bad-boy out... |
| 21:01 | <Universe> | nice |
| 21:02 | <Soopaman> | nice |
| 21:02 | <Universe> | copy cat |
| 21:02 | <Universe> | :-P\ |
| 21:02 | <dSV3Hl> | nice |
| 21:02 | <liscio> | I'm gonna call my supplier that carries those tomorrow. see if I can get my hands on 'em. |
| 21:03 | <Universe> | so liscio.. you going to give everyone in this channel a promo box, right? |
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| 21:03 | <liscio> | maybe a discount, but not necessarily a free box. :) |
| 21:04 | <Soopaman> | heheh |
| 21:04 | <Soopaman> | my box is kinda like that |
| 21:05 | <Soopaman> | exckept the face is a bit different |
| 21:05 | <liscio> | hmm...not sure if I like the PS location on that machine. |
| 21:05 | <liscio> | Mine has the PS fan sucking air right from beside the CPU heatsink...far more useful |
| 21:06 | <liscio> | can dial-down the fan if I wanted. |
| 21:07 | <liscio> | alright...gonna jet...keep www.supermegaultragroovy.com/mythbox in mind... :) |
| 21:08 | <liscio> | I'll keep updating it as I get more info... |
| 21:08 | <liscio> | seeya |
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| 21:20 | <Soopaman> | liscio is selling mythtv boxes? |
| 21:20 | <Universe> | I think he is going to try |
| 21:20 | <Soopaman> | how is that possible with him not being an authoer/majority contributor of mythtv? |
| 21:20 | <Universe> | his selling the hardware |
| 21:20 | <Universe> | with the software pre-installed |
| 21:21 | <Universe> | and it being opensource OS and mythtv... I don't see a problem with it |
| 21:21 | <Soopaman> | ahh |
| 21:21 | <Universe> | and selling technical support, also.. |
| 21:21 | <Soopaman> | i thought the gpl thing had something to do with it |
| 21:22 | <Universe> | I wouldn't think so |
| 21:22 | <Universe> | it isn't like he is selling myth or debian |
| 21:23 | <Soopaman> | but isn't he with it being installed? |
| 21:23 | <Soopaman> | it's like selling a pc with windows pre-installed |
| 21:24 | <Soopaman> | or is my thinking al twisted |
| 21:24 | <dSV3Hl> | gpl allows you to sell, as long as whoever you give the binaries too gets the code |
| 21:24 | <dSV3Hl> | or can get the code easily |
| 21:24 | <Soopaman> | so what if i have a program like myth, that is all my work, but uses something like lameenc |
| 21:25 | <Soopaman> | would i have to give my source if i sold the program? |
| 21:25 | <dSV3Hl> | isnt lame lgpl'd? |
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| 21:25 | <Soopaman> | i'm just trying to create a scenario |
| 21:25 | <dSV3Hl> | Soopaman: i think you can get away with that |
| 21:26 | <Soopaman> | wow |
| 21:26 | <dSV3Hl> | like comercial companys selling stuff that uses gtk |
| 21:26 | <Soopaman> | so i can make profit off other poeple's work that easily? |
| 21:26 | <dSV3Hl> | you'd have to make available the source of any gpl'd code stuff you distribute |
| 21:26 | <Soopaman> | shit |
| 21:26 | <Soopaman> | that is sweet |
| 21:26 | <dSV3Hl> | Soopaman: congratualtions, you have just discovered the secret of the linux distribution company |
| 21:27 | <dSV3Hl> | s |
| 21:27 | <dSV3Hl> | remember, people wont pay for what they can get for free |
| 21:28 | <Soopaman> | true |
| 21:28 | <Soopaman> | but if my code remains my code even though it taps into gpl |
| 21:28 | <Soopaman> | d apps |
| 21:28 | <Soopaman> | then i am in a win win situation |
| 21:28 | <Chutt> | that'd depend on how it 'taps into' them |
| 21:28 | <dSV3Hl> | yeah |
| 21:28 | <dSV3Hl> | thats the sticky part |
| 21:28 | <Chutt> | you still haven't read the gpl, have you? |
| 21:28 | <Soopaman> | heheh |
| 21:29 | <Soopaman> | Chutt, i hoped you had forgotten :P |
| 21:29 | <Chutt> | hardly |
| 21:29 | <Soopaman> | after reading for school/exams i don't have too much desire to read more |
| 21:29 | <Soopaman> | if you could summarize for me that would be fantastic :P |
| 21:30 | <dSV3Hl> | Soopaman: want diagrams too? |
| 21:30 | <dSV3Hl> | :) |
| 21:31 | <_shad> | Yello |
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| 21:32 | <dSV3Hl> | Soopaman: http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?lastnode_id=405211&node_id=11513, http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?lastnode_id=668164&node_id=405211 |
| 21:33 | <Soopaman> | heheh |
| 21:33 | <Soopaman> | diagrams with stick people would rule |
| 21:34 | <dSV3Hl> | among many other summaries and etc... |
| 21:34 | <Soopaman> | nice, thanx dSV3Hl |
| 21:34 | <Soopaman> | what would be the linux equivalent of gdi? |
| 21:35 | <dSV3Hl> | what is gdi? :) |
| 21:35 | <bigguy> | graphic deisplay interface |
| 21:35 | <bigguy> | ? |
| 21:36 | <dSV3Hl> | gooy delicious icing? |
| 21:36 | <dSV3Hl> | hmm.... |
| 21:36 | <dSV3Hl> | none of those words look spelt right |
| 21:38 | <Soopaman> | heheh |
| 21:38 | <Soopaman> | gooey |
| 21:38 | <Soopaman> | the windows version |
| 21:39 | <bigguy> | so I was right |
| 21:42 | <Soopaman> | pretty much |
| 21:42 | <bigguy> | I kinda thought so. Remembered from the time I was forced to do VB |
| 21:45 | <Soopaman> | heh |
| 21:45 | <Soopaman> | it's the direct drawing method |
| 21:45 | <Soopaman> | like ogl but using the windows system |
| 21:47 | <bigguy> | yeah I know |
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| 22:20 | <Soopaman> | is there a mythtv for any other dist than debian? |
| 22:21 | <liscio> | Soopaman: it runs on pretty much any linux dist... |
| 22:21 | <liscio> | Soopaman: are you asking about install packages? |
| 22:22 | <dSV3Hl> | there are dists other then debian? |
| 22:22 | <dSV3Hl> | :) |
| 22:22 | <Soopaman> | yeah |
| 22:22 | <Soopaman> | hehe |
| 22:23 | <bigguy> | dSV3Hl: no one said they were good dists |
| 22:23 | * dSV3Hl | rolls over |
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| 22:24 | <TheAsp> | yeah |
| 22:33 | * liscio | grumbles... |
| 22:33 | <liscio> | i have looked at far too many mainboards today... :) |
| 22:34 | <liscio> | and yes, there's such a thing as "too many". :D |
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| 22:35 | <bigguy> | hmm |
| 22:35 | <_shad> | blah |
| 22:36 | <_shad> | it's dead today |
| 22:36 | <liscio> | indeed it is. |
| 22:36 | <bigguy> | liscio: so did you decide on one? |
| 22:36 | <liscio> | bigguy: yes, and no. |
| 22:36 | <liscio> | :) |
| 22:36 | <liscio> | I really don't know if I should grit my teeth and jump in with "what I know" or try going off on a new tangent. |
| 22:37 | <_shad> | heh |
| 22:37 | <_shad> | if you have cash to spare... :) |
| 22:37 | <Soopaman> | heheh |
| 22:37 | <liscio> | The mainboard I have now works fairly well. The only complaint is that it is about 2mm too long to fit *properly* in the uATX case I have. |
| 22:37 | <liscio> | The side-effect is that I have the HD screwed directly into the case, rather than in the supplied HD cage |
| 22:37 | <_shad> | heh |
| 22:37 | <liscio> | I think that's causing a lot of the noise I am getting right now too. |
| 22:38 | <liscio> | So that's one thing. The mobo I would like to go to (for my mythtv box spec) would fit perfectly. I built one for my dad not long ago and it went well. |
| 22:38 | <liscio> | That's the thing. I installed XP on the machine fine and it has been on 24/7 for months now. |
| 22:38 | <liscio> | So I can't say the stability of that board sucks, either. |
| 22:39 | <liscio> | I am also not sure if I want to go DDR. |
| 22:39 | <_shad> | hrm |
| 22:39 | <Soopaman> | what exactly are you doing? |
| 22:39 | <liscio> | DDR is expensive, and I'm not sure it's really going to get all that much benefit with mythTV (price-performance wise anyway) |
| 22:39 | <liscio> | Soopaman: making a spec for a machine I plan to sell ready to go for mythtv use. |
| 22:40 | <Soopaman> | oh cool |
| 22:40 | <bigguy> | liscio: with an Athlon XP machine DDR gains are realised |
| 22:40 | <liscio> | Soopaman: this involves "slightly" modifying the setup I have now to get it to that spec so I can "eat my own dogfood" so to speak. |
| 22:40 | <bigguy> | ddr is not aa gain with p3 or cel |
| 22:40 | <Soopaman> | eheheh |
| 22:40 | <liscio> | bigguy: but by how much, really. That's the thing. |
| 22:40 | <Soopaman> | liscio, you have my pc's box |
| 22:40 | <Soopaman> | i have the same case |
| 22:41 | <liscio> | Soopaman: the black one? I wish my supplier had that when I got mine. I have the white H300 A case (145 W...*shuuder*) |
| 22:41 | <liscio> | Can't wait til I hear a loud pop when the athlonxp finally takes that fuse with it... |
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| 22:42 | <liscio> | bigguy: the thing I wonder is when is 512MB of PC-133 all that much worse than say 128MB of PC2100 (the cost equivalent, approximately) |
| 22:42 | <Chutt> | fast ram is important |
| 22:42 | <liscio> | hmm..thought so. |
| 22:42 | <Soopaman> | my box is an athlon xp, nforce/case/512ddr for about 600cdn |
| 22:42 | <Chutt> | copying lots of data around |
| 22:43 | <liscio> | Soopaman: right now my entire setup stands at around 800cdn... |
| 22:43 | <Soopaman> | and that was all retail |
| 22:43 | <bigguy> | liscio: I have this desktop case http://www.directron.com/blackdesktop.html |
| 22:43 | <liscio> | Chutt: yeah. I figured. Unfortunately there are only a very tiny few uATX boards that offer DDR. |
| 22:43 | <liscio> | bigguy: that looks tall...I'm trying to stick with the 3.7" height... |
| 22:44 | <liscio> | http://us.enlightcorp.com/products/pc/detel.php?kind=pccase&serial=71 |
| 22:44 | <Soopaman> | shit fraq damn |
| 22:44 | <liscio> | give me your opinion on *that* bad-boy :) |
| 22:44 | <Soopaman> | why is dfm sooo damn touchy |
| 22:44 | <bigguy> | liscio: I don't wanna try finding a ton of half height cards when I have good full height ones here |
| 22:45 | <liscio> | bigguy: I'm building the machines for people, and providing specs for those who don't trust me. :) |
| 22:45 | <liscio> | bigguy: so the worry is removed. :D |
| 22:45 | <liscio> | bigguy: I do understand where you're coming from though. There is a bitch of a time spent figuring this shit out. And a lot of work with the dremel and snips. |
| 22:46 | <liscio> | bigguy: but when it's done, it's a sleek mofo. |
| 22:46 | * liscio | takes compact over anything... :) |
| 22:46 | <liscio> | although never at the cost of one of those crazy shuttle barebones things. |
| 22:46 | <bigguy> | I prefer mine still ;) |
| 22:46 | <liscio> | bigguy: :) |
| 22:46 | <bigguy> | plus I am gonna get a new face plate made for it |
| 22:46 | <liscio> | bigguy: I got an InWin Q500 here with your name on it... ;) |
| 22:46 | <Soopaman> | any of you guys ever use a usb floppy? |
| 22:46 | <bigguy> | gonna put my 20x4 VFD in it |
| 22:47 | <liscio> | bigguy: niice. |
| 22:47 | <bigguy> | liscio: I've got a q500 sitting in the closet |
| 22:47 | <liscio> | :) |
| 22:47 | <liscio> | My fiancee's hackin flash on mine as we speak. :) |
| 22:47 | <bigguy> | liscio: using my cheiftec full tower tho |
| 22:48 | <liscio> | Thankfully, she's pretty hip about this whole thing, otherwise you guys would never hear/see anything from me. :D |
| 22:49 | <liscio> | So I think I may take that case I posted the link to above with the following mobo: |
| 22:49 | <liscio> | http://www.msicomputer.com/product/detail_spec/product_detail.asp?model=KM266_LAN |
| 22:49 | <bigguy> | msi makes great boards |
| 22:49 | <liscio> | It would be super-awesome if I could get the tv-out add-on going for that guy. Unfortunately, I don't know if the Savage4 has all that great support in Linux. |
| 22:50 | <liscio> | That would cut costs quite a nice hunk. |
| 22:50 | <bigguy> | no |
| 22:50 | <bigguy> | and the savage4 isn't all that great to begin with |
| 22:50 | <liscio> | Ideally, I'd like a uATX case with an nforce chipset, a tvout onboard, and lan. |
| 22:50 | <liscio> | err...uATX board, rather. |
| 22:51 | <liscio> | Yeah. I will probably be confined to hacking up a MX400 card like I have here running now. It runs great, but it's such a shame that someone just *could* put that on-board. |
| 22:51 | * liscio | loves super-integrated hardware. :) |
| 22:51 | <liscio> | Unfortunately, few do it *right*. :( |
| 22:51 | * bigguy | doesn't |
| 22:51 | <bigguy> | I like my nforce board tho |
| 22:51 | <bigguy> | but I mostly hate integrated video |
| 22:52 | <liscio> | When I was at ATI, they did some sweet things. The Rage128 was entirely pin-compatible with the RagePRO. Won a crapload of OEMs with *that* tidbit... |
| 22:52 | <liscio> | I remember when they were pissed 'cuz they had to add the fan to the R128. Such a sad, sad day. |
| 22:52 | <liscio> | :) |
| 22:53 | <liscio> | bigguy: there's nothing wrong with it if there's a specific purpose to a machine. If you are just doing business/2d stuff, it's quite convenient. |
| 22:53 | <liscio> | bigguy: once you start asking for some performance out of it, then you have to step up to the "right tool"... |
| 22:53 | <bigguy> | I just hate the shared mem |
| 22:53 | <liscio> | bigguy: that can be a nuissance, yes. |
| 22:54 | <bigguy> | I don't game so 3d isn't really important |
| 22:54 | <liscio> | So, say I did go DDR on the machine, how bad would it be to run 128MB vs. 256MB? |
| 22:54 | * liscio | only games in 2d. :) |
| 22:54 | <bigguy> | except for the occasional autocad session |
| 22:54 | <liscio> | 2.5d if I'm feeling adventurous... :) |
| 22:54 | <bigguy> | heh |
| 22:54 | <bigguy> | I mean I play deer hunter 5 and some MAME,snes, etc roms but thats about it |
| 22:56 | <liscio> | Chutt: is memory quantity a big factor for mp4 encoding? Or is it mainly speed... |
| 22:56 | <Soopaman> | liscio, how old are you? |
| 22:56 | <liscio> | Soopaman: old enough to drink. :) |
| 22:57 | <Soopaman> | no serious |
| 22:57 | <liscio> | Soopaman: young enough to do some stupid stuff with my computers... :) |
| 22:57 | <TheAsp> | pbs pledge campaigns are sooooooooo annoying |
| 22:57 | <liscio> | You can do the math. I'm in 4A university, co-op (5yr program) and I'm done in 2003...That should give a range idea. :) |
| 22:58 | * liscio | likes being roundabout |
| 22:58 | * _shad | started his download of 4 gigs of mame roms |
| 22:58 | * bigguy | will be 26 on the 29th of this month |
| 22:58 | <liscio> | _shad: already got most of 'em here :) |
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