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| 00:49 | <Universe> | Chutt, you still there? |
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| 03:56 | <Soopaman> | just as i had feared |
| 03:56 | <Soopaman> | between a rock and a hardplace trying to install a mini debian onto my nforce box... |
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| 10:25 | <Universe> | Chutt... ya there? |
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| 13:29 | <whatsit> | what command should I put in cron to update the tv schedule weekly? |
| 13:30 | <whatsit> | I know how to use cron, I just need to know how/what to get mythtv user (debian) to run |
| 13:31 | <Chutt> | can't just modify the current setup that the debs do? |
| 13:31 | <brtb> | just run mythfilldatabase |
| 13:31 | <brtb> | probably directing output to /dev/null |
| 13:31 | <Chutt> | they already set it up to run everyday, iirc |
| 13:32 | <whatsit> | ic |
| 13:32 | <whatsit> | daily, huh? |
| 13:32 | <whatsit> | oh... there it is... |
| 13:33 | <whatsit> | well, color me ignorant ;) |
| 13:35 | <whatsit> | is anyone else having trouble connecting using mythfilldatabase? |
| 13:35 | <whatsit> | is the site down? |
| 13:35 | <whatsit> | (for USA) |
| 13:36 | <Chutt> | i haven't updated today, i dunno |
| 13:36 | <Universe> | hey Chutt... at least on my system... mythtv doesn't work the frontend works but I try to load mythtv.. it dies with a segmentation fault |
| 13:36 | <Chutt> | edit the backend settings file? |
| 13:37 | <Universe> | the settings.txt.. yeah |
| 13:37 | <Chutt> | backend_settings.txt |
| 13:37 | <Chutt> | that one |
| 13:37 | <Universe> | oh.. |
| 13:37 | <Universe> | just ignore me.. |
| 13:38 | <Chutt> | heh, does that fix it? |
| 13:38 | <Universe> | one sec |
| 13:38 | <Chutt> | whatsit, it's working for me, btw |
| 13:39 | <whatsit> | hm... |
| 13:42 | <Universe> | hmm... |
| 13:43 | <Universe> | what do I need to change in backend_settings.txt? ip address changed to mine... tried with or without the master server commented out.. |
| 13:43 | <Chutt> | that's all, really |
| 13:43 | <whatsit> | i keep getting: zap2it failed to give us a page: 302:Found |
| 13:43 | <Chutt> | the ip address can be 127.0.0.1 |
| 13:44 | <Chutt> | whatsit, you need a newer xmltv version |
| 13:44 | <whatsit> | ic |
| 13:45 | <Universe> | damnit... I mistyped loopback ip... |
| 13:45 | <Universe> | its working now |
| 13:45 | <Chutt> | cool |
| 13:45 | <Chutt> | make sure you go setup a recording profile |
| 13:45 | <Chutt> | else it'll just use the default settings |
| 13:45 | <Universe> | aye.. |
| 13:46 | <whatsit> | "apt-get install xmltv" says that xmltv has been obsoleted and that libxmltv-perl replaces it... |
| 13:46 | <Universe> | did you say that mythvideo works, Chutt? |
| 13:46 | <whatsit> | is this a safe upgrade? |
| 13:46 | <Chutt> | whatsit, yes |
| 13:46 | <Chutt> | libxmltv-perl's the official stuff in debian |
| 13:46 | <Chutt> | universe, i tested it once, and it seemed to work |
| 13:47 | <Universe> | it loads but you nothing appears so you can select stuff... |
| 13:47 | <Universe> | I edited the config file also |
| 13:47 | <Chutt> | what loads? |
| 13:47 | <Chutt> | that selection screen? |
| 13:47 | <Universe> | yeah |
| 13:47 | <Chutt> | hmm |
| 13:47 | <Universe> | but nothing appears in it |
| 13:47 | <Chutt> | hit space or enter or something |
| 13:47 | <Universe> | tried several different paths in the config file |
| 13:48 | <whatsit> | Chutt: ic... well, I have the latest version (from woody) |
| 13:48 | <Chutt> | what paths? |
| 13:48 | <Chutt> | all this is is the compression settings =) |
| 13:49 | <Universe> | one sec.. I think I figured it out. |
| 13:50 | <Universe> | nope.. that wasn't it |
| 13:50 | <Universe> | I was talking about this setting |
| 13:50 | <Universe> | str StartDir=/mnt/d |
| 13:52 | <Chutt> | ah |
| 13:53 | <Chutt> | well, those are the same as before, i think |
| 13:53 | <Chutt> | hmm |
| 13:53 | <Chutt> | you did insert the new database stuff, since you were asking about it |
| 13:53 | <Chutt> | i dunno, bug mdz |
| 13:55 | <Universe> | heh... |
| 13:55 | <Universe> | well... heading out to goto the zoo with the fiance... I will bug you guys later |
| 13:55 | <Universe> | heh |
| 14:01 | <whatsit> | if I want my mythtv box to be a standalone mythtv-only unit, what would be the best way to log into X and start mythtv unattended? |
| 14:02 | <whatsit> | I have looked on the web and no one gives a straight answer about auto-login for X |
| 14:02 | <whatsit> | Everyone says: "I think it's possible, look into xdm..." |
| 14:03 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 14:03 | <Chutt> | i've got a separate runlevel for it |
| 14:04 | <Chutt> | the last line just starts X |
| 14:04 | <whatsit> | ic |
| 14:04 | <Chutt> | and in the .xinitrc, it's got 'mythtv &' and 'twm' |
| 14:04 | <Chutt> | which works ok |
| 14:04 | <Chutt> | so stuff runs as root, but =) |
| 14:04 | <Chutt> | err, no, it has mythfrontend |
| 14:04 | <Chutt> | sorry, just woke up =) |
| 14:05 | <whatsit> | :) |
| 14:05 | <Chutt> | anyway, that's the easiest way to get into it, imo |
| 14:05 | <whatsit> | so you start twm after mythtv? |
| 14:05 | <Chutt> | yeah, they start at pretty much the same time |
| 14:06 | <Chutt> | the window manager should start last |
| 14:06 | <whatsit> | ic |
| 14:06 | <Chutt> | as exiting that will then exit x |
| 14:06 | <Chutt> | you can use whatever lightweight wm you want, really |
| 14:06 | <Chutt> | most stuff should work |
| 14:07 | <whatsit> | ic |
| 14:08 | <whatsit> | you just tell twm to not put borders or title bars on apps? |
| 14:08 | <Chutt> | mythtv should be telling it that |
| 14:09 | <whatsit> | I still get a title bar on the front end |
| 14:09 | <Chutt> | i dunno |
| 14:09 | <Chutt> | i set it up awhile ago =) |
| 14:09 | <Chutt> | don't use it that often, either |
| 14:10 | <whatsit> | it also wants me to place the tv window with the mouse... annoying as heck |
| 14:10 | <Chutt> | try fvwm, then |
| 14:11 | <lichen> | fluxbox is good too, real basic |
| 14:11 | <whatsit> | I'll give both a try. |
| 14:11 | <whatsit> | thanks |
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| 14:48 | * liscio | wonders why people continually try the cvs version without heeding the 'non support' warnings. :) |
| 14:50 | <Chutt> | it's damn annoying |
| 14:50 | <liscio> | I guess it would be kinda wrong to just kill anon cvs... :) |
| 14:50 | <Chutt> | yeah, but it's so tempting to do right now |
| 14:51 | <liscio> | yeah. i can totally understand what you mean. |
| 14:51 | <Chutt> | just until i'm done with all these changes |
| 14:51 | <liscio> | yeah. actually, I was wondering how much help it really is to have others with access while you do the changes? |
| 14:51 | <Chutt> | well, for people that know what gdb and stuff is |
| 14:51 | <liscio> | Like, if I was mucking with the cvs version and could provide some insight into a bug, I never know if it isn't something you're already working on. :P |
| 14:51 | <Chutt> | and at least try to track things down |
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| 14:52 | <liscio> | tough not to duplicate work, y'know? |
| 14:52 | <Chutt> | i don't mind if they post bug reports, since they're at least semi-useful |
| 14:52 | <liscio> | yeah...maybe bugzilla is in order? :) |
| 14:52 | <Chutt> | but people that just say 'it segfault, why?' it's just annoying |
| 14:52 | <Chutt> | naw |
| 14:52 | <Chutt> | i hate bugzilla =) |
| 14:52 | <bigguy> | Chutt: you know where bma and snow-man hang out these days? |
| 14:52 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 14:53 | * liscio | wonders if there are *any* decent bug reporting tools.. |
| 14:53 | <liscio> | I guess the toughest thing to get around is just ensuring everyone follows a certain convention for posting errors. |
| 14:53 | <Chutt> | and ensuring that people use their real email addresses |
| 14:53 | <liscio> | for example, no stack crawl = no submit. :) |
| 14:54 | <Chutt> | like the sf bug reporting system allows anonymous bug reports |
| 14:54 | <liscio> | ick. |
| 14:54 | <Chutt> | which is entirely useless if you need to follow up on something |
| 14:54 | <liscio> | speaking of which, are you planning on migrating to sf? |
| 14:54 | <liscio> | (to aleviate the strain) |
| 14:54 | <Chutt> | no |
| 14:54 | <Chutt> | i don't think sf will be around much longer |
| 14:55 | <Chutt> | i do need to find a host for the website sometime, though |
| 14:55 | <liscio> | understandable. have you had any ideas for what you're going to do to increase your hosting ability? |
| 14:55 | <liscio> | and is cvs the worst problem? |
| 14:55 | <Chutt> | heh, nope =) |
| 14:55 | <liscio> | I could provide hosting until february... |
| 14:55 | <Chutt> | i'll keep cvs local in any case |
| 14:55 | <Chutt> | yeah, rather find a more permanant place =) |
| 14:55 | <liscio> | I have a hosting account that's about to expire in feb...i paid 200 for it originally, but can't really afford to pay the $70/year to maintain it. |
| 14:56 | <liscio> | I'd be willing to hand it over if it would be helpful... |
| 14:56 | <Chutt> | just the website and downloads are doing about 200MB a day now |
| 14:56 | <Chutt> | i'd prefer to move the screenshots back from sf sometime, i don't know how much those tack on |
| 14:56 | <liscio> | hmm...it does have 6gb transfer too, methinks. |
| 14:57 | <Chutt> | screenshots'll probably triple the bandwidth usage |
| 14:57 | <liscio> | yeah. screenshots are a great tool for getting people interested though. hooked me instantly. |
| 14:57 | <Chutt> | heh, yup =) |
| 14:57 | <Chutt> | i need to update them all |
| 14:57 | <Chutt> | now that i've got all the random dialogs using the same theme |
| 14:57 | <liscio> | yeah. maybe some work should be done just trying to get their size down maybe. |
| 14:58 | * liscio | is far to redundant sometimes... :) |
| 14:59 | <liscio> | anyway, let me know about the webspace. I'd hate to let it go to waste if someone else would find it useful... |
| 14:59 | <Chutt> | bigguy, ask me about that again on say, monday |
| 15:00 | <liscio> | so chutt, have you seen the page I put up at www.supermegaultragroovy.com/mythbox ? :) |
| 15:00 | <Chutt> | nope |
| 15:01 | <liscio> | I finally found all the stuff for a full out-of-the-box mythtv solution at my supplier's warehouse. |
| 15:01 | <Chutt> | that's cool |
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| 15:01 | <Chutt> | is that case cool enough for that kind of cpu? |
| 15:01 | * liscio | shrugs |
| 15:01 | <liscio> | the 1700+ I have now is fine. |
| 15:02 | <Chutt> | and is it quiet enough? =) |
| 15:02 | <liscio> | around 55 deg celcius with the oem fan... |
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| 15:02 | <liscio> | quietness...well...that's really up to who's asking. :) |
| 15:02 | <liscio> | It's quieter than my desktop. :) |
| 15:02 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 15:02 | <Chutt> | 55deg is kinda on the warm side |
| 15:02 | <Chutt> | my 1800+ rarely goes above 45 |
| 15:02 | <liscio> | Seriously though, it could be made a *lot* quieter with a really good passive heatsink... |
| 15:03 | <liscio> | because the PS fan is *right beside* where the heatsink is, and sucks air outwards... |
| 15:03 | <Chutt> | ah |
| 15:03 | * liscio | just remembered he still hasn't installed sensors on his new debian installation |
| 15:04 | <liscio> | actually, to tell you the truth, i think 55deg was the ambient temp, and 45 was the cpu temp... |
| 15:04 | <Chutt> | and is that 55 deg measured inside a cabinet? =) |
| 15:04 | <liscio> | I haven't have one single problem with the machine though. It has honestly been running non-stop for months. |
| 15:04 | <liscio> | 55 deg is inside the case, which is inside a cabinet. |
| 15:04 | <Chutt> | ah, ok |
| 15:04 | <Chutt> | cool |
| 15:05 | <liscio> | no pun, eh? :) |
| 15:05 | <Chutt> | right |
| 15:05 | <liscio> | So since I would like to try selling some machines, I'd also like to try and grow a positive feedback loop around the project using the machines... |
| 15:06 | <liscio> | either by feeding some money back into the project (test hardware, hosting space, etc) |
| 15:06 | <liscio> | and also just doing some hardcore work on my part on the project. Mainly stuff based around setting up a system, first-time use, etc. |
| 15:06 | <Chutt> | that's cool. |
| 15:07 | <liscio> | Wouldn't want to be too greedy and just take the cash which may or may not be generated as a result of the project's existence in the first place. :) |
| 15:08 | <liscio> | then again, I wouldn't be pulling *too* much profit. Remember, there's no margins to be made on hardware. :D |
| 15:08 | <Chutt> | heh |
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| 15:10 | <nyquiljer> | Chutt: your update on nov 14 said youd be posting some screenshots of your qt changes |
| 15:10 | <liscio> | Well I'm going to be picking up the mobo and video card to test first-hand to be 100% sure everything is linux-friendly with my system. |
| 15:10 | <nyquiljer> | Chutt: did i miss them? |
| 15:10 | <bigguy> | liscio: that wireless keyboard looks kinda like a noname one I got in a trade with a black case |
| 15:10 | <Chutt> | nyquiljer, yeah, i'm lazy and haven't done it yet |
| 15:10 | <nyquiljer> | that submitted program guide is slick |
| 15:10 | <liscio> | bigguy: it's actually an acer. I have a white one here. It is so kick-ass for keeping around the living room. |
| 15:11 | <bigguy> | cool |
| 15:11 | <Chutt> | liscio, going to put in an IR sensor and all that? |
| 15:11 | <liscio> | no seperate mouse or anything, just one piece to hold. And batteries are included. :) |
| 15:11 | <liscio> | Chutt: I'm working on finding a solution for that. |
| 15:11 | <liscio> | Chutt: I may find a distributor that carries the ATI models, if possible. |
| 15:11 | <Chutt> | ah |
| 15:11 | <liscio> | Chutt: but I think the *best* solution would be to try and get an irman in there. |
| 15:11 | <liscio> | (or something similar) |
| 15:12 | <Chutt> | most likely |
| 15:12 | <Chutt> | though the irman is fairly pricey |
| 15:12 | <liscio> | I think that's the only challenge right now. I think just tossing an irman into the package would be fine, and just let the user run the box to wherever's convenient. |
| 15:12 | <liscio> | My other idea was to leverage the front-panel board that they include with the machine and build an ir receiver on that. |
| 15:13 | <liscio> | (it has front-panel usb) |
| 15:13 | <liscio> | it'd be easy to run a line from there to the on-board COM port (the header on the mobo) |
| 15:13 | <bigguy> | hmm |
| 15:14 | <liscio> | The best part about the machine, is that every bit of space in the case is utilized. It's so compact, and I wish more computers came in this form factor... |
| 15:14 | <liscio> | And the size fits pretty well with the home theater setups around there |
| 15:14 | <bigguy> | I saw an old o2 case where my cousin works this would be a nice project to follow http://mashie.glassbil.net/casemods/oenone01.htm |
| 15:15 | <bigguy> | hmm |
| 15:15 | * bigguy | needs to get some money :) |
| 15:15 | <liscio> | Yeah. The main thing I don't like about a lot of the cases out there is the height. Standard atx height is about 6". Mine is about 3.75" |
| 15:16 | <liscio> | I don't like something that looks horribly like a computer around my av equipment. |
| 15:16 | <Chutt> | kinda hard to fit a full-height card in there, no? |
| 15:16 | <liscio> | Chutt: a bit of manual intervention solves that. |
| 15:16 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 15:16 | <liscio> | and all the cards I'm using have half-height boards. |
| 15:16 | <liscio> | So I just bend the plates. |
| 15:16 | <Chutt> | ah |
| 15:17 | * liscio | just realized his price didn't include a tvtuner. d'oh! |
| 15:17 | <liscio> | another 60 or so for that. |
| 15:17 | <Chutt> | are there any half height tuner cards that do stereo? |
| 15:18 | <liscio> | Chutt: the ati tvwonder does |
| 15:18 | <liscio> | Chutt: that's what I have. |
| 15:18 | <liscio> | Chutt: (retail) |
| 15:18 | <Chutt> | i thought the regular wonder was full-height |
| 15:18 | <Chutt> | the ve is half, but it's mono |
| 15:18 | <liscio> | Chutt: no. mine is very tiny. |
| 15:18 | <Chutt> | weird, oh well =) |
| 15:18 | <liscio> | Chutt: barely enough to fit the philips tuner. :) |
| 15:20 | <liscio> | kinda like the network card I currently use -- the smc etherpower II...very tiny... |
| 15:20 | <liscio> | (smaller than the eepro) |
| 15:21 | <liscio> | I also want to give discounts to project contributors. I don't mind passing savings along to those that help out. (another positive feedback loop element...) |
| 15:22 | <Chutt> | if you get a chance, could you try to reproduce that hang on the fix conflicts page with current cvs? |
| 15:22 | <liscio> | Chutt: will do. just watching a recorded show right now...thanks for checking it out |
| 15:22 | <Chutt> | i can't get it to trigger, but it may have been something i fixed recently |
| 15:23 | <liscio> | possibly, yeah...and ffwd/rew goes a lot faster than I remember now...great stuff... |
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| 15:28 | <Juggie> | Anyone there? |
| 15:28 | <liscio> | yep |
| 15:28 | <yebyen> | hello there |
| 15:31 | <Juggie> | Has anyone used mythgame to any extent? |
| 15:31 | <liscio> | yeah |
| 15:32 | <Juggie> | Have you used it for snes titles? |
| 15:32 | <liscio> | only really does mame right now |
| 15:33 | <Chutt> | shouldn't be too difficult to extend it to other emulators |
| 15:33 | <liscio> | yeah...or just other games in general... |
| 15:34 | <Juggie> | That's where I was heading with it. ZSNES works really well for me and I would like to incorporate it into mythgame. |
| 15:34 | <Juggie> | How does mythsnes grab you? |
| 15:34 | <Chutt> | well, wouldn't need a separate program, but yeah, that'd be cool |
| 15:34 | <liscio> | keep it within mythgame, if possible. |
| 15:34 | * yebyen | wonders if his tv listings were fixed yet |
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| 15:36 | <liscio> | Chutt: would you object to listing that link to my mythbox somewhere handy for people to stumble on? I'd like to see what sort of interest gets generated... |
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| 15:37 | <yebyen> | liscio: set top box? |
| 15:37 | <liscio> | yebyen: yeah...sorta.. |
| 15:38 | <yebyen> | i'm interested :) |
| 15:38 | <liscio> | yebyen: http://www.supermegaultragroovy.com/mythbox |
| 15:39 | <Chutt> | i dunno |
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| 15:45 | <bigguy> | I really have to wonder about that Henk Poley guy |
| 15:46 | <moegreen> | bigguy: i usually skip over his emails - what did he have to say this time? |
| 15:47 | <DigDug_> | Hey, i was going through the CVS code adding my Xinerama support and I noticed that toggling fullscreen mode make the curh (height) of the window slowly drift. Maybe That x/y displacements and over/underscan stuff should only be calculated once. |
| 15:47 | <bigguy> | oh its nothing its just all his emails seem to be the ramblings of a crack fiend |
| 15:48 | <DigDug_> | Also, if I change the x_org or y_org of the window (to sit over the right screen) they drift too. |
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| 15:56 | <Chutt> | digdug, ah, makes sense |
| 15:56 | <Chutt> | digdug, you saw i pulled out all the regular dialog stuff to a base class? |
| 15:57 | <DigDug_> | I haven't gotten that far.. i just started working on Xvoutput |
| 15:57 | <vektor> | You should use the tvtime xvoutput! :-) |
| 15:58 | <DigDug_> | I was thinking that the overscanning and displacement should probably only be calculated once rather than each time the screen is toggled. |
| 15:58 | <DigDug_> | I started messing with tvtime window sizing/placement, that was a mess :-) |
| 15:59 | <vektor> | Oh? |
| 15:59 | <vektor> | Why is it a mess? |
| 15:59 | <Chutt> | digdug, yeah, you can move that into the Init() function if you'd want |
| 15:59 | <DigDug_> | I dunno, i just had a hard time following the calls to "DpyInfoSetUpdateResolution( display, screen, DpyInfoOriginXinerama )" and the like. |
| 16:00 | <vektor> | DigDug_: The display.c stuff is from ogle. |
| 16:00 | <vektor> | DigDug_: And the API does make sense, I think. :) |
| 16:00 | <vektor> | Also, wm_state.c is from ogle also. Those I'm using unmodified. |
| 16:00 | <vektor> | If you want me to explain display.* and wm_state.* I can, it's pretty clean for handling xinerama/xv/16:9 monitors correctly. |
| 16:01 | <moegreen> | I've officially boofed my sound setup - damn |
| 16:01 | <liscio> | moegreen: boofed -- is that the technical term? :) |
| 16:01 | <moegreen> | yes :) |
| 16:02 | <bigguy> | bbl |
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| 16:02 | <DigDug_> | vektor: well the xinerama stuff wasn't fully implemented. |
| 16:03 | <vektor> | DigDug_: in tvtime? |
| 16:03 | <DigDug_> | yeah |
| 16:03 | <vektor> | DigDug_: it's in display.c but you're right I don't think I call it yet. |
| 16:03 | <vektor> | ogle uses it. |
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| 16:04 | <vektor> | i wasn't totally sure how though. i figure if you guys use display.c/wm_state.c unmodified also, then that would be nice. |
| 16:04 | <vektor> | they put alot of work into wm_state.c for handling fullscreen crap, it's a huge pain. |
| 16:04 | <Juggie> | exot |
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| 16:04 | <DigDug_> | vektor: the displacement and overscan makes fullscreen more complicated. |
| 16:04 | <whatsit> | xmltv... how would I figure out what version I have? |
| 16:06 | <DigDug_> | vektor: in tvtime, the update_resolution_xinerama also tries to change the geometry. Shouldn't there be a separate update_geometry_xinerama? |
| 16:07 | <vektor> | DigDug_: a little but alot of that you can handle with xvideo itself just by setting the start pos and width height etc |
| 16:07 | <vektor> | there is, unfortunately, no way to get geometry information from xinerama |
| 16:07 | <whatsit> | never mind... I have 0.5.2 |
| 16:07 | <vektor> | like, you can't tell if one head is 16:9 or 4:3 or not |
| 16:07 | <whatsit> | does xmltv 0.5.2 not work anymore? |
| 16:07 | <vektor> | this is a bug in the xinerama api |
| 16:07 | <moegreen> | whatsit: correct, you need 0.5.3 |
| 16:08 | <whatsit> | moegreen: ok... do you know where I might find the 0.5.3 debs? |
| 16:08 | <DigDug_> | vektor: can't you tell that my the resolution of the head? |
| 16:08 | <Chutt> | they're in unstable |
| 16:08 | <DigDug_> | by the resolution |
| 16:08 | <vektor> | DigDug_: only if it's square pixel |
| 16:09 | <DigDug_> | vektor: ahh |
| 16:09 | <vektor> | DigDug_: there's no guarentee of that |
| 16:09 | <whatsit> | Chutt: are there going to be problems if I upgrade (ha ha) to unstable? |
| 16:09 | <vektor> | like that's the point of the geometry stuff in display.c |
| 16:09 | <vektor> | you can get the aspect ratio right even if the output isn't square pixel etc |
| 16:12 | <DigDug_> | In myth, when I have a 0 y displacement and over/underscan, why does the height get modified from to be bigger than the screen? My screen is only 864 high but xvoutput make a window of 886 |
| 16:13 | <Chutt> | it tries to keep the height something that's going to scale well |
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| 16:15 | <DigDug_> | In my TVout window, it just gets clipped when in fullscreen mode. |
| 16:16 | <DigDug_> | I guess because 'fullscreen' doesn't actually go fullscreen. |
| 16:17 | <moegreen> | Chutt: Does the font used in the on screen display change depending on the size of the video? For some reason my fonts are really small |
| 16:17 | <Chutt> | yup |
| 16:17 | <Chutt> | has to, since it gets drawn into the video per-scaling |
| 16:17 | <Chutt> | pre-scaling |
| 16:18 | <moegreen> | so I should just increase the size of the font in the osd.txt file? |
| 16:18 | <Chutt> | hmm |
| 16:18 | <Chutt> | no =) |
| 16:19 | <Chutt> | i'd prefer a fix for the font size scaling stuff |
| 16:19 | <moegreen> | heh, ok I'll look into doing that |
| 16:19 | <Chutt> | it'd be a more general solution, at least |
| 16:19 | <moegreen> | btw, I'm still getting that seg fault after i've been watching live tv for a few minutes |
| 16:20 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 16:20 | <Chutt> | i don't know what it is |
| 16:20 | <Chutt> | updated at all today? |
| 16:20 | <DigDug_> | XJ.cpp does actually do fullscreen, all it does is make a new window with no decoration and no cursor. |
| 16:20 | <DigDug_> | err doesn't actually.. |
| 16:20 | <moegreen> | yeah, i just got a fresh cvs tree, there was actually a compile error when making menutest |
| 16:21 | <DigDug_> | well, not a new window... |
| 16:21 | <Chutt> | ah, well, that's fixed by a make clean and deleting your /usr/local/lib/libmyth* |
| 16:21 | <Chutt> | digdug, right |
| 16:21 | <Chutt> | feel free to change that, if you'd like |
| 16:21 | <Chutt> | that's really just what works for me |
| 16:22 | <Chutt> | moegreen, if you can try just commenting out that socket->flush() call in writestringlist |
| 16:22 | <Chutt> | and see if that still works |
| 16:22 | <Chutt> | i dunno, really |
| 16:22 | <Chutt> | if i could reproduce it, i'd fix it :( |
| 16:23 | <moegreen> | luckily I can reproduce it :( |
| 16:23 | <DigDug_> | It might be better if the overscan actually clipped data from the displayed data rather than moving the window. Otherwise "true" fullscreen would default the overscan settings. |
| 16:24 | <DigDug_> | err it would "defeat" the overscan settings. |
| 16:24 | <yebyen> | i need to put the video card back in my mythtv box |
| 16:24 | <yebyen> | heh |
| 16:24 | <DigDug_> | man |
| 16:25 | <Chutt> | digdug, seriously, go ahead and change whatever =) |
| 16:28 | <DigDug_> | Ok. Would you like to use my changes or would I just be doing this for my own setup? |
| 16:28 | <Chutt> | i'd put stuff in cvs |
| 16:28 | <Chutt> | well, so long as it'd work |
| 16:29 | <Chutt> | so everyone would be using your changes |
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| 16:33 | <DigDug_> | Should the windowed view be over/underscanned and displaced as well? |
| 16:33 | <Chutt> | i dunno, i don't really use it |
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| 16:33 | <DigDug_> | Well, i found a 1 percent xoverscan to be useful. All my channels have a small black border on the sides. |
| 16:34 | <Chutt> | so, yeah, make it do that as well =) |
| 16:36 | <DigDug_> | Im not sure how the displacement is useful though. Dispace before or after the over/underscanning? |
| 16:36 | <Chutt> | after, i think |
| 16:36 | <Chutt> | someone else wrote all that, though |
| 16:36 | <DigDug_> | Ahh |
| 16:37 | <brtb> | Just a probably stupid question (as usual), but I assume there's a good reason to put the OSD info into the displayed stream and not on top of the overlay, right? =] |
| 16:37 | <DigDug_> | Well then i'll stop bothering you about it and just do what I want. |
| 16:37 | <Chutt> | brtb, kinda hard to alpha blend it in otherwise |
| 16:38 | <brtb> | ah |
| 16:38 | <brtb> | true |
| 16:41 | <moegreen> | Chutt: when i commented out that socket->flush() line, the frontend wouldn't start (err, bring up any gui) - backend didn't say 'adding: xxxx as player' |
| 16:41 | <moegreen> | oh well, i'll have more time to mess around with this later :) |
| 16:45 | <Chutt> | yah, expected that |
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| 16:53 | <liscio> | mainly, I think my reverse dns is fork()ed |
| 16:53 | <liscio> | d'oh |
| 16:53 | <liscio> | :) |
| 17:10 | <DigDug_> | Chutt: I see where to implement the overscanning and displacement. I have no idea why whoever it was bothered with moving the window. In XvVideoOutput::Show and XvShmPutImage. You can specify a portion of the image to be scaled into the window. |
| 17:12 | <vektor> | that's what i said :) |
| 17:12 | <DigDug_> | To me? |
| 17:12 | <vektor> | yeah a while ago :) |
| 17:14 | <vektor> | [04:07pm][04:07pm] <vektor> DigDug_: a little but alot of that you can handle with xvideo itself just by setting the start pos and width height etc |
| 17:14 | <DigDug_> | I guess I just assumed the original author had a good reason for moving the "fullscreen" window origin :0 |
| 17:16 | <jrh> | lol |
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| 17:17 | <DigDug_> | Now, about the optimizing the windowsize for optimal scaling.. that can't really be done. Fullscreen is going to have a particular resolution. |
| 17:17 | <DigDug_> | You'd have to "optimize" your modline. |
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| 17:21 | <vektor> | I did a patch to X to let appications register new modelines. |
| 17:22 | <vektor> | But I haven't cleaned it up or submitted it. |
| 17:22 | <vektor> | It's part of the XF86VidMode extension but unfortunately it's unimplemented in XFree86. |
| 17:22 | <DigDug_> | Doesn't the vidmode extention let you do that? |
| 17:22 | <vektor> | Unimplemented. |
| 17:22 | <DigDug_> | sorry |
| 17:22 | <DigDug_> | hehe |
| 17:22 | <vektor> | You can only modify modelines. |
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| 17:23 | <vektor> | And you can't set the dot clock, so you can't like set the refresh rate of an existing modeline. |
| 17:23 | <vektor> | Which is stupid. My patch fixed that, but was quite broken :) |
| 17:23 | <DigDug_> | I |
| 17:23 | <DigDug_> | I'm not sure you want MythTV messing with your modline though. |
| 17:24 | <DigDug_> | If you have TVout, you probably have optimized a modline for yoru TV. |
| 17:28 | <vektor> | I really think we need proper TV output drivers under linux. |
| 17:28 | <vektor> | Using X as an API to the TV output is silly. |
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| 17:29 | <DigDug_> | Do other OS's hand it better? |
| 17:29 | <vektor> | The only other OS I'm familiar with is Windows. |
| 17:30 | <vektor> | DirectShow is speced out such that doing nice TV output is possible, but I haven't seen any good drivers for it. |
| 17:30 | <vektor> | Basically under both windows and linux there is no way to, say, have the same quality output as even the cheapest hardware DVD player. |
| 17:30 | <vektor> | We need a proper API for TV encoder chips to support this correctly. |
| 17:36 | <DigDug_> | Yeah, you'd thing with the ammount of money we spend on our computer, we could at LEAST be able to output quality TV :-) |
| 17:36 | <vektor> | Kinda. |
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| 19:57 | <Soopaman> | damnit |
| 19:57 | <Soopaman> | anyone know of a good emergency boot disk kernel? |
| 19:57 | <Soopaman> | err an emergency boot disk with an update (2.4.18+ ) kernel? |
| 19:59 | <Soopaman> | err /j #debian |
| 19:59 | <Soopaman> | bleh |
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| 20:27 | <paperclip> | heh |
| 20:37 | <Soopaman> | this is killing me |
| 20:38 | <Soopaman> | catch 22 with my nforce box & debian cds |
| 20:44 | <brtb> | what? |
| 20:44 | <brtb> | can't install debian on an nforce? |
| 20:51 | <Soopaman> | having troubles |
| 20:52 | <Soopaman> | need internet to update kernels |
| 20:52 | <Soopaman> | need updated kernel for internet |
| 20:52 | <Soopaman> | :S |
| 20:53 | <brtb> | oh |
| 20:53 | <brtb> | lol |
| 20:53 | <yebyen> | w0000000000t |
| 20:53 | <brtb> | what do you need an updated kernel for internet for? |
| 20:53 | <brtb> | what card is it? |
| 20:53 | <yebyen> | zap2it fixed the listings, there's one for me now :D |
| 20:53 | <Chutt> | just put in another nic temporarily |
| 20:53 | <brtb> | the nforce built-in one? |
| 20:54 | <Soopaman> | Chutt, trying that, but i can't find drivers for it |
| 20:54 | <Soopaman> | heheheh |
| 20:54 | <Soopaman> | brtb, for the nforce chipset one |
| 20:55 | <yebyen> | i don't even have to merge two listings |
| 20:55 | <brtb> | ok what kind is the temporary one? =] |
| 20:55 | <yebyen> | there's one that's actually accurate for me now |
| 20:56 | <Soopaman> | brtb, some crappy dlink one |
| 20:56 | <Chutt> | yebyen, good |
| 20:56 | <Soopaman> | chutt |
| 20:56 | <Soopaman> | you know any windows coding? |
| 20:56 | <Chutt> | yup |
| 20:57 | <Soopaman> | wanna help me with a mini project? |
| 20:57 | <Chutt> | nope |
| 20:57 | <Soopaman> | it's relevant to mythtv |
| 20:57 | <yebyen> | Chutt: time to put the video card back into my mythtv box, heh |
| 20:57 | <brtb> | modprobe tulip, modprobe natsemi, modprobe via-rhine, modprobe fealnx, modprobe 8139too |
| 20:57 | <brtb> | any of those work? |
| 20:58 | <Soopaman> | so we can grab any tv guide as a data tarball and parse as we please |
| 20:58 | <brtb> | that should cover just about any card d-link made |
| 20:58 | <Soopaman> | not the 8029 |
| 20:58 | <Soopaman> | heheh |
| 20:58 | <Chutt> | why not just use xmltv |
| 20:58 | <brtb> | 8029? |
| 20:58 | <Soopaman> | which is the one i hve :( |
| 20:59 | <Soopaman> | when i lspci'd it gave me rtl8029 |
| 20:59 | <Chutt> | i doubt that's the dlink |
| 20:59 | <brtb> | dlink's made sone strange cards |
| 20:59 | <brtb> | rtl8209 is pci ne2k compatible |
| 20:59 | <Chutt> | nope |
| 20:59 | <brtb> | modprobe pci-ne2k |
| 20:59 | <Chutt> | that's the nforce one |
| 21:00 | <Chutt> | well, 8029L or something like that |
| 21:00 | <brtb> | heh |
| 21:00 | <brtb> | nvidia copied a rtl chip? ew |
| 21:00 | <brtb> | if anything they should have made it a 3com or something |
| 21:00 | <yebyen> | yeah :) |
| 21:00 | <Soopaman> | Chutt, the nforce one is identified as an nvidia nforce network adapter |
| 21:00 | <Chutt> | only partially |
| 21:00 | <yebyen> | 3c59x baybee |
| 21:00 | <Soopaman> | the dlink is the rtl8029 |
| 21:00 | <Chutt> | the phy layer and the mac are separate |
| 21:00 | <Chutt> | iirc |
| 21:00 | <brtb> | Soopaman: try modprobe pci-ne2k |
| 21:00 | <Soopaman> | k |
| 21:01 | <brtb> | rtl8029 = pci ne2000 |
| 21:01 | <yebyen> | Chutt: i've actually been watching normal tv lately |
| 21:01 | <Chutt> | scary |
| 21:01 | <yebyen> | Chutt: it irritates the hell out of me |
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| 21:53 | <Soopaman> | YAY |
| 21:53 | <Soopaman> | thanks brtb |
| 21:54 | <Soopaman> | my room is a mess as a result, but it works, and that's all i need atm |
| 21:54 | <Soopaman> | Chutt, are there any faqs for getting ati based tv tuner cards? |
| 21:57 | <DigDig> | I'm not sure how to "underscan" the image if doing it in memory. Where does the blank space come from? overscan is easy. You basically just take a subset of the image and scale it to the whole window... |
| 21:58 | <Soopaman> | y |
| 21:58 | <Soopaman> | oops |
| 21:58 | <Soopaman> | wrong keyboard |
| 22:08 | <mdz_> | was there a big sale on really shitty RAM or something? |
| 22:08 | <mdz_> | so many people on the mailing list with fast computers that run like slow computers |
| 22:09 | <brtb> | ddr running at 66 or something |
| 22:13 | <mdz_> | hdr |
| 22:13 | <mdz_> | half data ram |
| 22:13 | <mdz_> | half data rate, I should say |
| 22:17 | <mdz_> | "0.7 works great for me so I decided to use the bleeding edge CVS and I have problems waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah" |
| 22:17 | <yebyen> | anyone know how verizon charges for "Mobile Web"? |
| 22:17 | <yebyen> | if it just uses airtime or what |
| 22:19 | <DigDig> | Speaking of CVS, any idea when the 0.8 release might be made? At least a release with the encoding optimizations should be made methinks. Should make it much more useful to more people. |
| 22:20 | <Chutt> | i'll put out 0.8 when the graphical setup stuff and the client/server stuff is done |
| 22:23 | <mdz_> | I saw you cleaned up the dialogs some, haven't looked at any of it yet |
| 22:23 | <Chutt> | just a little tiny bit |
| 22:23 | <yebyen> | hmm |
| 22:23 | <mdz_> | I head meant to remove the help button for a while |
| 22:23 | <Chutt> | i thinking of taking out the paths from the frontend, though |
| 22:24 | <Chutt> | that's kinda more of a per-encoding server setting |
| 22:24 | <mdz_> | you want to have the server read a separate config file? |
| 22:24 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 22:24 | <mdz_> | hmm |
| 22:24 | <Chutt> | there's already a 'backend_settings.txt' |
| 22:25 | <mdz_> | that stuff could just as easily go in the database, though |
| 22:25 | <Chutt> | yeah, but i don't want to do a ui for it =) |
| 22:25 | <mdz_> | you don't have to; it would use the existing stuff |
| 22:25 | <mdz_> | just ripped out and dropped into a backend-setup program |
| 22:25 | <mdz_> | really easy to do |
| 22:26 | <Chutt> | heh, ok |
| 22:27 | <mdz_> | though there will be the crowd which whines about how they don't want to run X on their backend server |
| 22:27 | <mdz_> | who need to be taught about ssh X forwarding |
| 22:28 | <Chutt> | just for setup, though |
| 22:28 | <mdz_> | and the difference between an X client and an X server |
| 22:29 | <Chutt> | that guy wants a separate list to discuss issues with cvs builds? |
| 22:29 | <Chutt> | err, yah |
| 22:30 | <mdz_> | I see you replaced my good defaults with your crummy defaults |
| 22:30 | <Chutt> | yup |
| 22:30 | <mdz_> | for the paths |
| 22:30 | <Chutt> | i was going to hook those up to the db so it saved em, but then got lazy |
| 22:35 | <mdz_> | do you know offhand what kind of QVariant you get for a column with value NULL? |
| 22:35 | <mdz_> | is it invalid? |
| 22:44 | <Chutt> | if you convert it to a qstring, it's qstring::null |
| 22:50 | <mdz_> | ok |
| 23:10 | <mdz_> | Chutt: any ideas on a default, non-wizard dialog? |
| 23:10 | <mdz_> | I'm surprised that QDialog doesn't have canned OK and Cancel buttons |
| 23:11 | <yebyen> | ok, i need to start thinking about putting the video card back in |
| 23:11 | <yebyen> | hrm |
| 23:11 | <Chutt> | mdz, for which settings? |
| 23:11 | <mdz_> | Chutt: anything which won't have a wizard |
| 23:12 | <Chutt> | like, i don't mind not having ok and cancel buttons |
| 23:12 | <Chutt> | since that matches the rest of the ui |
| 23:12 | <mdz_> | hmm |
| 23:12 | <mdz_> | it needs separate actions for saving and abandoning the changes, I think |
| 23:13 | <mdz_> | and OK is already used to modify the settings |
| 23:13 | <mdz_> | do you think it is reasonable to have it always save the changes? |
| 23:13 | <Chutt> | yup |
| 23:13 | <mdz_> | if so, it could just use escape to get out and save |
| 23:13 | <mdz_> | hmm, ok |
| 23:15 | <mdz_> | what's the right way to have something happen when escape is pressed? override closeEvent? |
| 23:15 | <Chutt> | or hideEvent |
| 23:15 | <mdz_> | that doesn't really fit the interface, unfortunately |
| 23:16 | <Chutt> | hrm? |
| 23:16 | <mdz_> | It'd have to be changed so that the dialog has a handle to the database, so it can save when it's closed |
| 23:16 | <Chutt> | just call exec() on all those? |
| 23:16 | <Chutt> | and save it on return |
| 23:17 | <mdz_> | yeah, I already do that |
