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| 00:14 | <mdz_> | libmysql is pretty unreadable |
| 00:14 | <mdz_> | I'm not even sure how it's managing to reestablish the connection |
| 00:14 | <Chutt> | hah |
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| 00:16 | <mdz_> | there are a few places where it will try, but I can't find how it would retry after giving that error |
| 00:16 | <mdz_> | there is even a flag in the mysql context that says whether to do it |
| 00:16 | <mdz_> | bedtime though |
| 00:16 | <Chutt> | probably just best to do the stupid query thing |
| 00:17 | <mazeone> | hey, is this a channel for that freevo thing? |
| 00:17 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 00:17 | <mazeone> | ops plz |
| 00:17 | <Chutt> | sure! |
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| 00:18 | <mazeone> | kthx |
| 00:18 | <Chutt> | :p |
| 00:18 | -!- | mazeone sets ban on *!*ijr@*.cle1.dsl.speakeasy.net |
| 00:18 | <Chutt> | bai!! |
| 00:18 | <mazeone> | :) |
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| 00:19 | <mazeone> | mwahahaha |
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| 00:19 | <Chutt> | you can't do that, silly |
| 00:20 | <mazeone> | i'm a loser, cuz i didn't /kb you |
| 00:20 | <mazeone> | ah well |
| 00:20 | <bigguy> | sup mazewan |
| 00:20 | <mazeone> | hey |
| 00:21 | <mazeone> | how's things? |
| 00:21 | <bigguy> | good here. I'm looking for a job as always ;) |
| 00:22 | <mazeone> | heh |
| 00:22 | <bigguy> | You? |
| 00:22 | <mazeone> | well, i got a job doing irix admin at nasa, but i just got dumped by my gf... |
| 00:23 | <bigguy> | man that suxs |
| 00:23 | -!- | Chutt removes channel operator status from Chutt |
| 00:23 | <mazeone> | it's been a bad week |
| 00:23 | <bigguy> | weren't you married? |
| 00:23 | <mazeone> | yeah, i have a very confusing life :) |
| 00:24 | <mazeone> | my wife and i are seperated and each dating other people |
| 00:24 | <bigguy> | I thought last time I heard from you you were married and there was another hot girl living with the 2 of ya |
| 00:24 | <matr1x> | eh |
| 00:24 | <bigguy> | man its been ages tho |
| 00:24 | <matr1x> | hey its bigguy and mazeone |
| 00:25 | <radsaq> | how come no one says hi to me? :( |
| 00:25 | <bigguy> | hey its... Who are you again? |
| 00:25 | <Chutt> | because you're incognito with that nick |
| 00:25 | <matr1x> | im matr1x |
| 00:25 | <bigguy> | lo SmallSaq1 |
| 00:25 | <radsaq> | but I was always the radsaq.. |
| 00:25 | <mazeone> | yeah, our lesbian roommate and her gf moved out, my wife is now dating another woman, and i was dating someone until she dumped me |
| 00:26 | <mazeone> | like i said, i have a confusing life :) |
| 00:26 | <matr1x> | i hate when that happens |
| 00:26 | <radsaq> | hi bigguy |
| 00:26 | <mazeone> | radsaq: cuz you're not all noisy like me |
| 00:27 | <bigguy> | matr1x: do I know you from somewhere other than in here? |
| 00:27 | <matr1x> | your nick looks familiar |
| 00:27 | <matr1x> | but its been a while since ive joined this net |
| 00:27 | <bigguy> | I was on ircnet and efnet also |
| 00:27 | <matr1x> | im on efnet |
| 00:28 | <bigguy> | any particular channels? |
| 00:28 | <bigguy> | :) |
| 00:28 | <mazeone> | if you recognized both bigguy and myself, it was probably from #e |
| 00:28 | <matr1x> | yah i used to join #e |
| 00:28 | <radsaq> | I'm RADKade1 |
| 00:28 | <bigguy> | #e or #dunno |
| 00:28 | <mazeone> | yeah |
| 00:28 | <radsaq> | so you should recognize me too :( |
| 00:29 | <matr1x> | nope, dont recognize you |
| 00:29 | <mazeone> | and Chutt is ...Chutt |
| 00:29 | <bigguy> | radsaq: people try to forget yoy |
| 00:29 | <bigguy> | j/k |
| 00:29 | <radsaq> | =~( |
| 00:29 | <mazeone> | how could people forget RADKade1? |
| 00:29 | <mazeone> | saq rux saq! |
| 00:29 | <bigguy> | WE lub0r j00 |
| 00:29 | <bigguy> | mazeone: I said "try" |
| 00:31 | <radsaq> | http://bore.shayolghul.org/cgi-bin/quote?chan=gah&cmd=get&args=176 |
| 00:33 | <bigguy> | mmm green tea sweetend with splenda |
| 00:35 | <mazeone> | i should sleep |
| 00:36 | <bigguy> | me too |
| 00:36 | <bigguy> | but I won't |
| 00:36 | <bigguy> | yet |
| 00:37 | <matr1x> | swiss people make good chocolate |
| 00:37 | <matr1x> | i wonder what their secret is |
| 00:42 | <bigguy> | post coitus expulsions from the female homosapien |
| 00:44 | <bigguy> | man I'm lagged |
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| 00:44 | <knight_> | weird. mythmusic only seems to pull up mp3s that start with 01 - |
| 00:44 | <knight_> | no others |
| 00:45 | <Chutt> | kinda strange |
| 00:45 | <Chutt> | you do have id3 tags, right? |
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| 00:58 | <bigguy> | night |
| 01:04 | <knight_> | chutt, yes |
| 01:05 | <knight_> | chutt, but i'm sure they arent all reliable |
| 01:05 | <knight_> | too many mp3s to really set each one |
| 01:05 | <knight_> | :) |
| 01:05 | <knight_> | and some dont have track numbers, or belong to specific albums |
| 01:05 | <Chutt> | i really don't know how it acts when stuff doesn't have full tags |
| 01:07 | <knight_> | ahh ok |
| 01:07 | <knight_> | that's fine. |
| 01:07 | <knight_> | i'll just make sure my mp3s have id3s properly |
| 01:07 | <knight_> | i need to do it anyways |
| 01:07 | <knight_> | does mythmusic prune entries from the db when the files dont exist anymore? |
| 01:07 | <Chutt> | it pretty much depends on them to do all the categorizing and stuff for the selection ui |
| 01:07 | <Chutt> | current cvs does, yeah |
| 01:11 | <knight_> | know if there are plans for other styles of views? |
| 01:11 | <knight_> | like by genre, etc? |
| 01:11 | <Chutt> | that tree is customizeable by anything field that's in the database |
| 01:12 | <knight_> | right, but can there be multiple trees? |
| 01:12 | <Chutt> | as for styles, i want to scrape allmusic.com for artist/album pics someday, and use those |
| 01:12 | <Chutt> | multiple trees? |
| 01:12 | <knight_> | well, be able to choose between styles of views |
| 01:12 | <knight_> | VIEW BY ARTIST, VIEW BY GENRE, etc |
| 01:13 | <Chutt> | all you have to do for that is edit the settings file for mythmusic |
| 01:13 | <Chutt> | don't have any graphical setup yet |
| 01:13 | <knight_> | ok |
| 01:13 | <Chutt> | there's a line that says 'artist album title' |
| 01:14 | <Chutt> | that could be 'genre artist album title' or 'genre album title' |
| 01:14 | <Chutt> | or whatnot |
| 01:14 | <knight_> | where in cvs version is this "graphical setup" i didnt see it in the MC dir (dont need it, but i'm curious) |
| 01:14 | <knight_> | ahh ok |
| 01:15 | <Chutt> | the gui setup code's mostly in programs/mythfrontend/ |
| 01:15 | <Chutt> | but it's not all hooked up or anything |
| 01:15 | <Chutt> | just the recording profiles so far |
| 01:17 | <knight_> | you just choose "Setup"? |
| 01:17 | <Chutt> | yup |
| 01:17 | <knight_> | or do i have to enable something? |
| 01:19 | <knight_> | as for ripping, is there any way to specific a seperate directory for the rips to go? or atleast adhere to a specific directory structure? |
| 01:19 | <knight_> | s/specific/specify/ |
| 01:21 | <Chutt> | it's hardcoded right now |
| 01:21 | <Chutt> | should be fairly easy to make it configurable, of course |
| 01:22 | <knight_> | ok |
| 01:22 | <knight_> | thanks for the input :) |
| 01:23 | <knight_> | still very impressed with mythtv |
| 01:23 | <knight_> | the quality OSD does it all |
| 01:23 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 01:26 | <t0rn217> | i'm still curious and not having any luck w/ compiling... |
| 01:27 | <t0rn217> | i copied gmake to /usr/bin but that helped for only a small portion...afterwards it gave me errors again... |
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| 01:28 | <graf008> | Has anyone attempted to utilize mythtv on a mini-itx system? |
| 01:29 | <Chutt> | with those really slow cpus? |
| 01:29 | <t0rn217> | hrm...guess i'm beyond help eh? |
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| 01:30 | <graf008> | Chutt: Even the latest M series (with faster onboard mpeg)? |
| 01:30 | <Chutt> | an onboard mpeg2 decoder doesn't really help you encode |
| 01:30 | <Chutt> | :p |
| 01:30 | <Chutt> | the previous ones had problems just playing back video |
| 01:30 | <graf008> | The M series doesn't seem to have a problem encoding / decoding / saving / etc on Windows |
| 01:31 | <graf008> | Chutt: Yeah...but the m series is optimized for doing everything mythtv says it will do. |
| 01:31 | <Chutt> | i highly doubt that. |
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| 01:31 | <gregf> | hello |
| 01:31 | <gregf> | anybody up? |
| 01:31 | <Chutt> | nope |
| 01:31 | <graf008> | Chutt: Alright...doubt it. The demonstrations of the m-series have it doing this stuff using Windows. |
| 01:32 | <gregf> | i'm getting this error starting up myth (cable is defined, but isn't attached to a cardinput. |
| 01:32 | <Chutt> | maybe with hardware encoder cards |
| 01:32 | <graf008> | I would think that the same could be accomplished in Linux using MythTV...but I could be wrong. |
| 01:32 | <graf008> | Chutt: have you even looked at the m-series? |
| 01:32 | <Chutt> | yes, i have |
| 01:32 | <graf008> | In what capacity? |
| 01:32 | <gregf> | what did i screw up to define cable, but not attach it to a cardinput? |
| 01:33 | <Chutt> | gregf, did it ask you when you ran setup, to attach channel sources to inputs on the tuner card? |
| 01:34 | <gregf> | not sure, i ran that step before i had my tuner installed :( |
| 01:34 | <gregf> | i set something to /dev/video0 |
| 01:34 | <Chutt> | well, run it again |
| 01:34 | <Chutt> | you need a tuner for it to set everything up |
| 01:35 | <Chutt> | graf008, got a recent benchmark of the m series, then? |
| 01:35 | <gregf> | ok, running it now |
| 01:37 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 01:38 | <gregf> | how close are we to 0.8? and is that going to include the split client / server architechture? |
| 01:38 | <Chutt> | from a review: CPU utilization with Divx files ran 85~100% |
| 01:38 | <Chutt> | yeah, that's going to work for encoding in real time :p |
| 01:38 | <graf008> | Chutt: I read that review. What I am curious about is the comparable level of CPU utilization on a 500 Mhz Intel system... |
| 01:39 | <Chutt> | you'll get crap for quality, really |
| 01:39 | <graf008> | I know my PII 600 was always near 100% on playback. |
| 01:39 | <Chutt> | gregf, no idea, and yes |
| 01:39 | <graf008> | So, mythtv is not really a solution unless you have a decked out PC to begin with (not as a set-top), right? |
| 01:39 | <Chutt> | decked out? |
| 01:39 | <Chutt> | i dunno, do you consider a $50 cpu decked out? |
| 01:39 | <graf008> | > 2 Ghz. |
| 01:39 | <Chutt> | hardly |
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| 01:40 | <graf008> | Is there a comparable software set-up that is as small as the mini-itx, that will actually have enough power for mythtv to work? |
| 01:40 | <graf008> | software sb hardware |
| 01:41 | <graf008> | Or is Mythtv geared more towards people that already have powerful desktop machines who, for some reason, like to watch TV on their computer monitors. |
| 01:41 | <Chutt> | isn't there one of those shuttle small cube cases coming out with an nforce2 motherboard? |
| 01:41 | <graf008> | Don't know..what is the cost? |
| 01:42 | <Chutt> | i don't know, i really don't care about having something tiny. |
| 01:42 | <graf008> | Than that answers my question...thanks. |
| 01:42 | <Chutt> | i've got a audio component sized case that fits a standard full motherboard |
| 01:42 | <Chutt> | fits right in my rack with everything else |
| 01:43 | <graf008> | Yeah..I am debating whether to try to build something small, or just buy a Tivo. |
| 01:43 | <graf008> | So far, no cost analysis has shown a home-built PC to beat a Tivo. |
| 01:43 | <graf008> | mini-itx was my only hope. |
| 01:44 | <Chutt> | that's a silly way to look at it |
| 01:44 | <graf008> | How so? |
| 01:44 | <Chutt> | a tivo's rather limited in scope |
| 01:45 | <Chutt> | if _all_ you're going to do is use it for tv shows, sure |
| 01:45 | <graf008> | Right, to a point. I don't need DVD or Divx playback (my laptop does both of those and has TV-out). |
| 01:45 | <graf008> | All I really need is PVR. |
| 01:45 | <Chutt> | i play music more often than i watch tv |
| 01:45 | <graf008> | I just didn't want to pay for a subscription to record future shows. |
| 01:46 | <graf008> | Chutt: Yeah..my Dreamcast plays mp3s, though |
| 01:46 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 01:46 | <graf008> | and divx |
| 01:46 | <Chutt> | sorry, that just doesn't cut it ;p |
| 01:46 | <graf008> | funny...my dreamcast can do more than a mini-itx pc. |
| 01:46 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 01:46 | <Chutt> | the only thing those have going for them is size |
| 01:47 | <graf008> | I think they are a little better than you give them credit for. Remember the review was on a pre-release board... |
| 01:47 | <Chutt> | well, i'm more going by the older boards |
| 01:48 | <graf008> | I think I will try it out, though the Windows solution might be more efficient, since I bet that Linux doesn't support some of the new hardware. |
| 01:48 | <Chutt> | if linux supported hardware encoder cards, then something that slow would work fine |
| 01:48 | <Chutt> | with high quality video |
| 01:48 | <graf008> | Yeah..well, that isn't going to happen |
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| 01:48 | <Chutt> | heh, never know |
| 01:49 | <graf008> | Not until all cable providers already provide similar PVr functionality and DVD players play Divx... |
| 01:49 | <graf008> | The life of Linux...good stuff is only supported after its useful life.. |
| 01:50 | <graf008> | Oh well, thanks for your help. My Powerbook will just need to suffice for now. |
| 01:50 | <Chutt> | no prob |
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| 01:53 | <Tuscany0> | chutt, this is the case I'm thinking about using for my htpc. i can handle a standard size atx board http://www.directron.com/blackdesktop.html |
| 01:54 | <Chutt> | nice |
| 01:54 | <Tuscany0> | it has room for an 80mm in the front and two 60mm fans in the back. there aren't too many desktop cases out there built to handle the heat issues with athlons. |
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| 01:54 | <Chutt> | hmm |
| 01:54 | <Chutt> | that might work better than what i have now |
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| 01:55 | <Tuscany0> | and the price is right. with a 300w p.s. |
| 01:55 | <Chutt> | my current case doesn't have an outflow fan on the power supply |
| 01:55 | <Chutt> | which, well, sucks |
| 01:55 | <Chutt> | uses this weird sized power supply, too |
| 01:55 | <Chutt> | so i can't just stick something else in there easily |
| 01:56 | <Tuscany0> | yeah, i have the same one, from digital connection. except i bought it a year ago when it came with a whimpy 200w power supply. |
| 01:56 | <gregf> | i'm supposed to have line in as the capture device and muted correct? |
| 01:56 | <Chutt> | yes |
| 01:56 | <Chutt> | tuscany0, ah, yeah, you said that before |
| 01:56 | <Chutt> | well, if you get that one, lemme know how well it works |
| 01:57 | <Tuscany0> | sure thing |
| 01:57 | <gregf> | i get the live sound when i don't have line-in muted, but no sound when it is muted, line in is also set to capture |
| 01:58 | <gregf> | whatever, time for bed |
| 01:58 | <gregf> | night all |
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| 01:59 | <Chutt> | heh |
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| 05:37 | <knight_> | hmm |
| 05:37 | <knight_> | mythmusic should have a flag to not inject new files |
| 05:38 | <knight_> | or missing files |
| 05:38 | <knight_> | and then a seperate program that you can run to injcet and purge at any time |
| 05:38 | <knight_> | like from cron too |
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| 06:15 | <knight_> | Chutt, you know who does MusicBrainz.org? I notice relatable is a sponsor |
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| 08:18 | <bigguy> | Tuscany0,Chutt: ypu guys around? |
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| 08:20 | <bigguy> | Tuscany0: was just gonna let you know I have that case from directron and its pretty nice. I was gonna mod mine a little to put a quieter 120mm fan in the fron since there seems to be enough space for one |
| 08:28 | <bigguy> | Tuscany0: also gonna cut out the stamped grills on the back and use ones that promote more air flow |
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| 10:29 | <tuscany> | bigguy, you there? |
| 10:32 | <snippy> | a mythradio module would be nice |
| 10:33 | <tuscany> | bigguy, overall would you say you're satisfied with the case? |
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| 11:32 | <knight_> | quick question.... RecordFilePrefix... that's not where the initial capture goes right? the file gets MOVED to this location? |
| 11:32 | <knight_> | i want to use a network path for this |
| 11:32 | <gregf> | use NFS |
| 11:32 | <mdz> | it is captured directly to RecordFilePrefix |
| 11:33 | <knight_> | oh ok |
| 11:33 | <mdz> | why would it do anything else? |
| 11:33 | <knight_> | i thought pehaps it captured to a temp location, then moved it |
| 11:33 | <knight_> | it would make it easier for me :) |
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| 11:33 | <knight_> | i know that |
| 11:33 | <knight_> | so i can capture locally, then move it off (but still accessable to the recording listings) |
| 11:34 | <knight_> | my local machine doesnt have enough drive space at the moment |
| 11:34 | <knight_> | :P |
| 11:34 | <mdz> | my mythtv system doesn't have a disk |
| 11:35 | <knight_> | oh ok |
| 11:35 | <knight_> | so it should be fine |
| 11:38 | <gregf> | 100 Mbs would be good, 10Mbs might not |
| 11:38 | <knight_> | yeah ok |
| 11:38 | <knight_> | thanks |
| 11:47 | <gregf> | mdz_: you do all your disk I/O over the network? |
| 11:48 | <mdz> | gregf: correct |
| 11:48 | <gregf> | no trouble with bandwidth ? (100Mbs?) |
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| 12:03 | <mdz> | gregf: a typical mpeg-4 stream from mythtv is 2-3mbps |
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| 12:06 | <knight_> | mythmusic keeps freezing during my rips |
| 12:07 | <t0rn217> | has anyone compiled mythtv on mandrake 9? |
| 12:09 | <t0rn217> | when i check my paths w/ the "set" command w/ that of the docs i get PATH=/sbin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/local/sbin |
| 12:10 | <t0rn217> | according to the docs i should have a mythtv/bin somewhere in there... |
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| 12:13 | <mdz> | Chutt: gcc-3.2 (1:3.2.2ds1-0pre1) unstable; urgency=low[...]* A candidate for the transition ... |
| 12:14 | <mdz> | sparc64 didn't make it :-( |
| 12:16 | <gregf> | is there a web-search for the archives of the mailing list |
| 12:17 | <t0rn217> | gregf: on the website |
| 12:22 | <gregf> | t0rn217: duh, htanks |
| 12:22 | <gregf> | that is a great page, looks nice, updated quickly |
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| 12:29 | <bigguy> | tuscany: yeah its a great desktop case |
| 12:32 | <snippy> | any ideas why 30 minutes of southpark would be twice the size of 30 minutes of the simpsons? better compression? |
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| 12:53 | <tuscany> | bigguy, is the power supply quiet or noisy? |
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| 12:54 | <Chutt> | mdz, yeah, heard about that |
| 12:54 | <Chutt> | snippy, rtjpeg? it doesn't do anything resembling constant bitrate compression =) |
| 12:55 | <Chutt> | file size is extremely variable |
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| 13:10 | <bigguy> | tuscany: well they change powersupplies after I bought it. mine only had a 250 watt in it so I put an antec 400 in it |
| 13:11 | <bigguy> | but I replaced the fan in the antec with a panaflo l1a |
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| 13:15 | <bigguy> | if you put any 60mm fans in the back places I suggest you cut out the stamped grills. They don't allow alot of air and make the fans noisy |
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| 13:33 | <t0rn217_> | when i start the mythtv binary it restarts my computer everytime...what's wrong? |
| 13:33 | <vektor> | It restarts your computer? |
| 13:33 | <vektor> | That sounds like a bad bad bad driver problem. |
| 13:33 | <mdz> | t0rn217_: read the FAQ |
| 13:34 | <t0rn217_> | ok |
| 13:36 | <t0rn217_> | are you talking about the FAQ bundled w/ the source or the FAQ on the website? or are they the same? |
| 13:36 | <mdz> | the one in the source |
| 13:36 | <mdz> | they should be the same, but the website is behind right now I think |
| 13:36 | <t0rn217_> | ok...that doesn't have anything pertaining to my problem... |
| 13:37 | <mdz> | yes it does |
| 13:37 | <t0rn217_> | hmmmm... |
| 13:38 | <mdz> | maybe it's not in 0.7 |
| 13:38 | <mdz> | here you go |
| 13:38 | <mdz> | ) My machine hangs or reboots when running MythTV |
| 13:38 | <mdz> | - MythTV should not be able to hang or reboot your machine, no matter |
| 13:38 | <mdz> | what it does. If your machine is hanging or rebooting, you most likely |
| 13:38 | <mdz> | have a problem with your hardware or kernel device drivers. |
| 13:38 | <t0rn217_> | oh wow... |
| 13:38 | <t0rn217_> | interesting... |
| 13:39 | <vektor> | ... or you're running gentoo |
| 13:39 | <vektor> | ;-) |
| 13:40 | <Chutt> | heh |
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| 13:41 | <vektor> | Should probably say, "have a problem with your hardware or kernel device drivers, or have applied experimental patches to your kernel which have broken your drivers." |
| 13:43 | <Universe> | lol |
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| 13:43 | <t0rn217> | dammit...did it again... |
| 13:43 | <t0rn217> | hmmmm... |
| 13:43 | <Universe> | I havne't had a problem with gentoo and myth so far... |
| 13:43 | <Universe> | you lair vektor! |
| 13:43 | <nevertheless> | same with me ;-) |
| 13:44 | <vektor> | My point was just that gentoo has made it easy for people to apply experimental patches to the kernel, and some of those break the bttv driver for example. |
| 13:44 | <vektor> | That's just my experience. |
| 13:44 | <vektor> | I refer specifically to the 2.4 backport of the preemptive kernel patches. |
| 13:45 | <t0rn217> | my card works fine w/ xawtv and TVTIME :) |
| 13:45 | <vektor> | t0rn217: Regardless mythtv can't crash your box. |
| 13:46 | <vektor> | t0rn217: So it's some kernel problem or driver problem or hardware problem. |
| 13:46 | <t0rn217> | would it crash it if I have it pointed to the wrong /dev node? |
| 13:47 | <vektor> | Only if there was a bug in that driver. |
| 13:47 | <t0rn217> | hmmmm.... |
| 13:47 | <vektor> | Or you're running as root and doing something really bad. |
| 13:48 | <vektor> | Like, there are a few ways you can crash your machine if you're root. |
| 13:48 | <Chutt> | probably sound card drivers |
| 13:48 | <t0rn217> | i did run mythtv as root... |
| 13:48 | <vektor> | Yeah, good point. |
| 13:48 | <t0rn217> | should i not? |
| 13:48 | <vektor> | t0rn217: Yeah but mythtv does nothing bad. |
| 13:48 | <t0rn217> | right... |
| 13:48 | <t0rn217> | hmmmm... |
| 13:48 | <vektor> | Like, to crash a machine as root you'd need to like: open /dev/mem and go nuts, run SCHED_FIFO and do an infinite loop, etc etc etc. |
| 13:48 | <Chutt> | like i said, it's probably your sound card drivers. |
| 13:49 | <t0rn217> | Chutt: you may be right...i have a via chipset and it likes to give me problems every now and then... |
| 13:49 | <Chutt> | lemme take a wild guess and say you're using alsa 0.9rc5 |
| 13:50 | <t0rn217> | lemme check |
| 13:50 | <Chutt> | cat /proc/asound/version |
| 13:50 | <t0rn217> | 0.9.0-0.8rc2mdk |
| 13:51 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 13:51 | <Chutt> | still, old version. |
| 13:51 | <t0rn217> | well...i got that from kpackage...when i ran cat it says no such file or directory... |
| 13:52 | <t0rn217> | should i upgrade alsa? |
| 13:52 | <Chutt> | yes. |
| 13:52 | <Chutt> | well, if you're actually using it |
| 13:53 | <t0rn217> | haha...how would i find out what server i'm using at the moment? i think it may be OSS |
| 13:54 | <t0rn217> | does mythtv use alsa? or does it use what i'm using at the moment? |
| 13:54 | <Chutt> | uses whatever you're using |
| 13:55 | <Chutt> | it just uses the standard oss api, but alsa emulates that |
| 13:55 | <t0rn217> | so it doesn't make any difference whether i use oss or alsa? |
| 13:56 | <Chutt> | long as stuff works, no |
| 13:56 | <t0rn217> | haha...sounds like duct tape to me :) |
| 13:56 | <Chutt> | duct tape? |
| 13:57 | <Chutt> | i'm sorry, i suppose i shouldn't require working hardware and drivers |
| 13:57 | <t0rn217> | i didn't mean any offense... |
| 13:57 | <t0rn217> | are you the developer? |
| 13:58 | <Chutt> | yup |
| 13:58 | <t0rn217> | pleased to meet you..i think you have a great program...and yes i have second grade hardware...i'd really like to figure out how to get this thing working though... |
| 13:58 | <Chutt> | so fix your computer. |
| 13:59 | <t0rn217> | by getting new hw? |
| 13:59 | <Chutt> | i wouldn't know |
| 13:59 | <Chutt> | it's your computer |
| 14:00 | <t0rn217> | i'm just wondering...should i upgrade alsa and use that as primary driver? or not waste my time and wait til i can get better hardware... |
| 14:02 | <Chutt> | upgrading software generally costs less than buying new hardware |
| 14:05 | <snippy> | chutt: no, mpeg4 (sorry for the delay) |
| 14:05 | <Soopizzle> | Chutt, is it possible to use those nvdia kernels in debian woody? |
| 14:05 | <Chutt> | there are nvidia driver packages. |
| 14:07 | <Soopizzle> | in woody? |
| 14:07 | <Chutt> | of course |
| 14:07 | <Soopizzle> | interesting |
| 14:08 | <Soopizzle> | how long does it take for the latest packages to be upgraded? |
| 14:08 | Soopaman | Soopizzle Dec 12 14:08:18 <mdz> Soopizzle: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=nvidia&searchon=all&version=stable&release=all |
| 14:11 | <Soopizzle> | thanx mdz |
| 14:11 | <Soopizzle> | mdz, can i do the same search for ati releases? |
| 14:12 | Soopaman | Soopizzle Dec 12 14:12:34 <mdz> Soopizzle: http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 14:14 | <Soopizzle> | yeah but ati doesn't return any relevant listings |
| 14:14 | <Soopizzle> | "ati" |
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| 14:42 | <nevertheless> | ui :) |
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| 14:57 | <Spark^> | i'm having trouble getting mythtv to work due to lack of xv support in my x configuration. do i need to do anything to get xv up and running, or should it work by default. i've got a crappy old ati rage pro card - so maybe that's why i can't use xv - does anyone know of a list of valid hardware for xv? |
| 14:58 | <Chutt> | most recent hardware |
| 14:58 | <Spark^> | hmm, that's probably the problem - its 4 years old, like the rest of this box :( |
| 14:59 | <Chutt> | might want to try the gatos drivers |
| 14:59 | <Spark^> | url? |
| 14:59 | <Chutt> | google for it |
| 14:59 | <Spark^> | got it... sf... |
| 15:00 | <Spark^> | looks promising... |
| 15:04 | * Spark^ | goes to reboot and try the gatos drivers... |
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| 15:04 | <bigguy> | must be used to windows |
| 15:04 | <bigguy> | unless he had to compile a new kernel |
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| 15:12 | <snippy> | you don't for gatos |
| 15:13 | <snippy> | just untar into /usr/X11R6 and restart X, unless he doesn't know how to restart X without rebooting |
| 15:33 | <gregf> | if my wintv picture sucks in windows, is it guarenteed to suck in Linux? |
| 15:39 | <Kyzoku> | I would expect any miracles in picture quality... |
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| 15:49 | <gregf> | would = wouldn't i suppose |
| 15:49 | <Kyzoku> | yeah |
| 15:49 | <gregf> | any sql gurus in here? |
| 15:49 | <Kyzoku> | I've done a bit of MySQL and Postgres work |
| 15:50 | <gregf> | i have table a (itemid, items) and table b (itemid, price) for an auction site |
| 15:50 | <Kyzoku> | okay |
| 15:50 | <gregf> | how do i retrieve the highest price for each item in table a? |
| 15:50 | <Kyzoku> | hmm |
| 15:51 | <Kyzoku> | I have a feeling it involved MAX(), but I don't know off hand how to structure the query so it works |
| 15:52 | <mdz> | database homework questions are not exactly on topic here |
| 15:53 | <moegreen> | heh |
| 15:53 | <Kyzoku> | sorry, I'll go back to idly lurking |
| 15:54 | <gregf> | mdz: not homework, and not my schema, trying to help my buddy out |
| 15:54 | <gregf> | but no biggie, just thought i'd ask |
| 15:54 | <moegreen> | gregf: I would check out the documentation at www.mysql.com, it's pretty good about giving examples for each command |
| 15:55 | <gregf> | ya it is good, used it lots |
| 15:56 | <moegreen> | mdz: for the current cvs, do you see either the backend or frontend seg faulting when watching livetv? I just got a QSocketNotifier: Multiple socket notifiers for same socket 13 and type write - then a seg fault. |
| 15:56 | <Chutt> | frontend or backend segfaulting? |
| 15:57 | <moegreen> | frontend in this case |
| 15:57 | <Chutt> | does it run at all, or just do that right away? |
| 15:57 | <moegreen> | when I restart the frontend and pick 'watch tv' again, the backend seg faulted - "Unknown state transition: 1 to 1" |
| 15:57 | <moegreen> | it was running for a few minutes |
| 15:57 | <rob_c> | First of all I would like to say thanks to everyone involved in this project |
| 15:57 | <Chutt> | yeah, if it dies while in live-tv, the backend keeps going |
| 15:58 | <Chutt> | doesn't clean up properly in that case |
| 15:58 | <rob_c> | second. I was searching the mail list for ways to improve qaulity and I saw a refrence to nvtvout |
| 15:58 | <rob_c> | anyone know where I can find this? |
| 15:58 | <Chutt> | sourceforge. |
| 16:00 | <gregf> | is there a list of links to all the third party software needed/useful for myth? be nice to have it all in one place? |
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| 16:00 | <Chutt> | there's links to all the required bits, yes |
| 16:01 | <rob_c> | Chutt: Thanks. I should have looked deeper. My search for nvtvout came up blank. But knowing it was there I was able to find it. |
| 16:01 | <Spark^> | anyone any ideas on why i get an Illegal instruction, immediately after "Using XV port 46" - could well be my drivers for xv being as my card's so old. is there anything else i could test those with easily? |
| 16:01 | <Chutt> | it's because your cpu doesn't do mmx2 |
| 16:01 | <Chutt> | turn off deinterlacing. |
| 16:02 | <Spark^> | where do i set that? |
| 16:02 | * Spark^ | must read the website... |
| 16:03 | <gregf> | i have no audio, video works fine, i've muted the line in, and turned up the volume |
| 16:03 | <gregf> | xawtv also has volume |
| 16:03 | <gregf> | any ideas on what I'm missing? |
| 16:06 | <gregf> | everything else seems to work |
| 16:07 | <Spark^> | wow |
| 16:07 | <Spark^> | psychedelic colours :) |
| 16:07 | <Spark^> | now need to fix my tv card so the tuner works i suppose :( |
| 16:11 | <Kyzoku> | ever considered adding voice modem support to make a mythtv running system into an answering machine as well? |
| 16:16 | <Spark^> | is there any easy way to get mythtv to select a composite input by default - or otherwise, how can it be changed once its running? |
| 16:16 | <Chutt> | hit c while it's running |
| 16:17 | <Chutt> | there's a setting for the default input, but not in 0.7 |
| 16:17 | <Spark^> | might d/l the cvs version once i get going |
| 16:19 | <Spark^> | hmmm, 'c's stopped the coloured bars moving about and caused a load of disk activity. i'm assuming the coloured bars and coloured interference dots above it is just an untued signal, but i'd expect to get a 'picture' of some sort once it comes from the composite output. is there a list of other key combinations somewhere? |
| 16:20 | <Chutt> | keys.txt |
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| 16:21 | <Spark^> | i presume that's only in the source, and not the .deb i've got installed atm? |
| 16:21 | <Chutt> | should be in the docs dir |
| 16:21 | <TheAsp> | what exactly has to be running for it to start recording? |
| 16:21 | <Chutt> | mythfrontend |
| 16:21 | <Chutt> | it says that in the readme. |
| 16:21 | <TheAsp> | where? |
| 16:22 | * Spark^ | finds /usr/share/doc/mythtv... |
| 16:22 | <Spark^> | lol |
| 16:22 | <TheAsp> | ahh |
| 16:22 | <TheAsp> | so it does |
| 16:22 | <TheAsp> | i thought i saw something refering to cron about it, maybe it was for freevo or something |
| 16:23 | <Chutt> | naw, gotta have the scheduler running so it knows when its recording and stuff |
| 16:23 | <Chutt> | can't really cron that |
| 16:23 | <Chutt> | well, you could, but that's silly |
| 16:23 | <TheAsp> | *nod*, but common |
| 16:24 | <TheAsp> | if it would only stop quitting on me i could stop using xawtv :) |
| 16:24 | <Chutt> | 0.8 has a daemon program that just runs in the background that handles recording and all that |
| 16:24 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 16:26 | <Spark^> | hmmm, i'm not getting anything other than these coloured stripes :( (well, i get a green stripe/set of stripes down the left, some coloured static at the top, and vertical coloured stripes elsewhere). the gui thing works okay though |
| 16:27 | <Spark^> | i also get "strange error flushing buffer ..." in the log |
| 16:28 | <Chutt> | so, yeah, you need to get your tuner card working right. |
| 16:28 | <Chutt> | the 'strange error flushing buffer' is just lame being silly |
| 16:29 | <mdz> | at some point, I stopped getting that |
| 16:29 | <Spark^> | ahh, okay, that'll be because of the audio not working - adding the alsa drivers fecked that up, and now i don't seem to have a mixer program when i revert to the standard sound drivers :( |
| 16:29 | <Chutt> | mdz, i get it sometimes, sometimes not |
| 16:29 | <Chutt> | seems to depend on the input audio |
| 16:30 | <mdz> | I haven't seen it in a long time |
| 16:30 | <Spark^> | i think i'll try and fix the tuner, i get similar static in xawtv but its not so 'colourful' (partially cus its in a window so smaller bits are coloured) now just to remember what broke the tuner in the first place... |
| 16:30 | <mdz> | maybe when I switched from 48000 to 32000 sampling rate |
| 16:32 | <Spark^> | i also wonder if my graphics card's got enough memory (8mb) |
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| 16:35 | * Spark^ | goes to fix his tv :( |
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| 16:43 | <TheAsp> | i need to get some free space in one spot... |
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