| 00:00 | <dcstimm> | Universe: if you dont think gentoo is good for you then so be it, and if you like another distro its not like im threatened or something |
| 00:00 | <dcstimm> | i like all distros for their own purpose |
| 00:01 | <dcstimm> | rpms are good for newbies, debs for people that dont care, ebuilds for me |
| 00:01 | <dcstimm> | perfect |
| 00:02 | <Universe> | I wasn't trying to threaten you are anything... |
| 00:02 | <Universe> | you didn't develop gentoo |
| 00:02 | <Universe> | I was just making a statement |
| 00:02 | <dcstimm> | great |
| 00:02 | <Universe> | and it wasn't even to you |
| 00:03 | <dcstimm> | its not like im dissing mythtv or anything, its just that I thought it could be easier |
| 00:03 | <Universe> | then make it easier.. |
| 00:04 | <dcstimm> | why? i dont develop it |
| 00:04 | <Universe> | I am sure Chutt wouldn't mind an ebuild for mythtv |
| 00:05 | <Universe> | because its opensource |
| 00:05 | <Universe> | and you like the project? |
| 00:05 | <bigguy> | Chutt: you think he got of one of these buses? http://www.boners.com/content/380813.1.jpg |
| 00:06 | <dcstimm> | im just saying, setting the scroll on the mouse to change channels wouldnt be a bad idea |
| 00:07 | <Chutt> | bigguy, excellent. |
| 00:07 | <bigguy> | :) |
| 00:08 | <Universe> | dcstimm.. its meant to be a pvr connected to a TV... Chutt shouldn't program something like that. |
| 00:08 | <Universe> | and like he has said, he will accept a patch |
| 00:09 | <dcstimm> | but its still a computer |
| 00:09 | <dcstimm> | and a wireless mouse could function as a remote |
| 00:09 | <Universe> | using a remote, no a mouse, connected to a tv |
| 00:09 | <dcstimm> | and considering the fact that most tv tuners dont come with remotes |
| 00:09 | <Universe> | it doesn't have enough buttons |
| 00:09 | <dcstimm> | its a good idea |
| 00:09 | <dcstimm> | yes, channel up and down |
| 00:09 | <dcstimm> | all you need |
| 00:09 | <Universe> | lirc doesn't use only tv turner remotes |
| 00:09 | <Universe> | lol |
| 00:10 | <Universe> | mythtv, whats all you need? |
| 00:10 | <Universe> | lol |
| 00:10 | <lichen_> | if channel up and channel down is all you need why dont you just stick with xawtv? |
| 00:10 | <lichen_> | ahh forget it in getting dragged in again |
| 00:10 | <lichen_> | ineed to sleep |
| 00:10 | <Universe> | heh |
| 00:10 | <dcstimm> | if i need to rewind i can jump back to my keyboard |
| 00:11 | <Universe> | there is no keyboard with the pvr |
| 00:11 | <dcstimm> | who has a remote that has fast forward and pause on it? |
| 00:11 | <Universe> | its suppose to be used with a remote |
| 00:11 | <dcstimm> | umm |
| 00:11 | <dcstimm> | who has a remote? |
| 00:11 | <Universe> | any universal one will work |
| 00:11 | <Chutt> | most people? |
| 00:11 | <Universe> | with lirc |
| 00:11 | <dcstimm> | no |
| 00:11 | <dcstimm> | it |
| 00:11 | <dcstimm> | wont |
| 00:11 | <Universe> | yes it will |
| 00:11 | <dcstimm> | why do you need a remote? |
| 00:11 | <Universe> | my tivo remote will work |
| 00:11 | <dcstimm> | when you can just use a keyboard and mouse? |
| 00:12 | <Chutt> | because i designed the interface to run with a remote. |
| 00:12 | <Universe> | because a keyboard on my coffee table is stupid |
| 00:12 | <dcstimm> | what if I just want to watch tv on my computer? with PVR functions |
| 00:12 | <dcstimm> | i dont need a remote |
| 00:12 | <Chutt> | that's nice |
| 00:12 | <Universe> | that isnt' what mythtv was designed for |
| 00:12 | <Chutt> | i really don't give a damn what you want to do with it |
| 00:12 | <dcstimm> | you will get more users that are just gonna use it on the tv set |
| 00:13 | <dcstimm> | err |
| 00:13 | <dcstimm> | monitor |
| 00:13 | <Chutt> | and i certainly don't give a damn if anyone uses it besides me |
| 00:13 | <Universe> | heh |
| 00:13 | <dcstimm> | you will get more users that are just gonna use it on their monitor |
| 00:14 | <Universe> | you love us users Chutt and you know it |
| 00:14 | <bigguy> | my wireless keyboard has a decent range an a build in glide point mouse |
| 00:14 | <bigguy> | built even |
| 00:15 | <bigguy> | some cheap chinese build I got from a guy I traded with |
| 00:16 | <dcstimm> | anyone know any good apps that would make a good PVR on a computer with out a tv set and remote |
| 00:16 | <bigguy> | but really the whole point of a pvr is to use the TV |
| 00:16 | <Universe> | dcstimm.. nope.. |
| 00:16 | <dcstimm> | no its not |
| 00:16 | <Universe> | wow... so tivo has it all wrong? |
| 00:17 | <Universe> | damn.. I better call them and explain it to them |
| 00:17 | <dcstimm> | umm |
| 00:17 | <Chutt> | well, yeah, since tivo's dead :p |
| 00:17 | <dcstimm> | if I was going to make a pvr for my tivo, i would just buy a tivo |
| 00:17 | <dcstimm> | and be done with it |
| 00:17 | <dcstimm> | tv |
| 00:17 | <Universe> | tivo is a pvr |
| 00:17 | <dcstimm> | if I was going to make a pvr for my tv, i would just buy a tivo |
| 00:17 | <Universe> | running on linux no less |
| 00:18 | <bigguy> | the whole point of using a homebrew pvr is to avoid montly tvguide access fees |
| 00:18 | <Chutt> | naw, the point is for me to have something to do when i'm bored :p |
| 00:18 | <lichen_> | actually if i was forced to buy a premade one i would get a replay |
| 00:18 | <dcstimm> | there are hacks to make a tivo use xmltv type programs |
| 00:18 | <bigguy> | and also to save money if you already have good enough equipment |
| 00:18 | <Universe> | thats nice dcstimm.. |
| 00:18 | <dcstimm> | so as you can see mythtv is pointless |
| 00:19 | <Universe> | but myth kicks tivo's ass |
| 00:19 | <dcstimm> | ;-/ |
| 00:19 | <lichen_> | hahaha god i just want to strangle you |
| 00:19 | <Universe> | myth offers alot more than tivo right now |
| 00:19 | <lichen_> | why not just accept something for what it is |
| 00:19 | <Chutt> | then why are you in here at all? |
| 00:19 | <dcstimm> | licheni dont understand why it cant do both? |
| 00:19 | <Chutt> | well, aside from the fact that i've being extremely nice and haven't banned you yet |
| 00:20 | <dcstimm> | im just trying to help |
| 00:20 | <Chutt> | help? |
| 00:20 | <dcstimm> | show you another way of looking |
| 00:20 | <Chutt> | no, you're not |
| 00:20 | <Chutt> | you're being a dumbass. |
| 00:20 | <Universe> | mythtv doesn't do what you want it to do.. I think you need to start looking for something else now |
| 00:20 | <dcstimm> | yes, im al |
| 00:20 | <dcstimm> | am |
| 00:20 | <Chutt> | and a source of entertainment |
| 00:20 | <Chutt> | i'm not going to redesign the entire UI just because some retard on an irc channel told me i was going about it the wrong way. |
| 00:21 | <Universe> | go bug freevo developers, maybe you can talk them into change their code to suit you |
| 00:21 | <dcstimm> | mythtv can do everything if the developers wernt bent on making it only work with a tv/remote |
| 00:21 | <Chutt> | it works fine on a monitor. |
| 00:21 | <Chutt> | i use it most of the time on one. |
| 00:21 | <dcstimm> | Chutt: not with out a remote |
| 00:21 | <Universe> | it works fine for my dcstimm |
| 00:21 | <bigguy> | umm |
| 00:21 | <Chutt> | and i use the keyboard more often than the remote |
| 00:21 | <Universe> | I dont have a remote right now |
| 00:21 | <Edgan> | I use monitor+remote |
| 00:22 | <dcstimm> | Universe: im sorry i just wish the mouse could change channels |
| 00:22 | <lichen_> | i thought you said you just wrote a patch for it? |
| 00:22 | <Universe> | then make it do it |
| 00:22 | <Chutt> | you just said you added support for that? |
| 00:22 | <Universe> | there source is there |
| 00:23 | <dcstimm> | if the mouse could change channels you could just use it for that |
| 00:24 | <Chutt> | ah, so i guess you didn't just add support for that. |
| 00:24 | <Universe> | you aren't making sense dcstimm.. |
| 00:25 | <dcstimm> | Universe: sorry I dont natively speak english |
| 00:25 | <lichen_> | ahh it hurts |
| 00:25 | * lichen_ | & |
| 00:27 | * dcstimm | is away |
| 00:29 | <bigguy> | heh |
| 00:29 | <bigguy> | I wonder if he's ~12 |
| 00:31 | <Chutt> | certainly acts it |
| 00:34 | <bigguy> | wonder where he originaly is from |
| 00:35 | <dcstimm> | spain |
| 00:38 | <Tuscany0> | joder |
| 00:39 | <dcstimm> | how well does mythtv work on ppc arch? |
| 00:41 | <Chutt> | i wouldn't know |
| 00:44 | <matr1x> | good question |
| 00:45 | <matr1x> | cause thats what i was considering using |
| 00:45 | <matr1x> | but probably not great |
| 00:45 | <Chutt> | i doubt it builds, for one |
| 00:45 | <Chutt> | but that'd be relatively easy to fix |
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| 00:55 | <dcstimm> | Linux-Powered PVR/Satellite Machine |
| 00:56 | <dcstimm> | on slashot |
| 00:56 | <dcstimm> | slashdot |
| 00:58 | <Chutt> | heh, europe/satellite only |
| 01:03 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 01:03 | <Chutt> | nice uid on /. |
| 01:04 | <Chutt> | you're _such_ a dumbass, you realize that? |
| 01:04 | <Chutt> | it runs like a dog because you never dropped the resolution down |
| 01:04 | <dcstimm> | so? |
| 01:04 | <dcstimm> | it should be better |
| 01:04 | <dcstimm> | :) |
| 01:04 | <Chutt> | it _can't_ be better |
| 01:04 | <dcstimm> | so? |
| 01:04 | <Chutt> | you try vcr with the same resolution and framerate |
| 01:04 | <dcstimm> | respond to my thread |
| 01:04 | <Chutt> | i guarantee you'll get the same results as with mythtv |
| 01:05 | <dcstimm> | so drop the default framerat |
| 01:05 | <dcstimm> | rate |
| 01:05 | <Chutt> | uh, no |
| 01:05 | <-- paperclip | has quit () |
| 01:05 | <Chutt> | the current defaults are low enough |
| 01:05 | <dcstimm> | vcrs output is amazing |
| 01:05 | <Chutt> | i doubt that, that low resolution usually looks like crap |
| 01:05 | <dcstimm> | even if I stick it on the highest quality i dont loose frames |
| 01:06 | <dcstimm> | I just get a huge file |
| 01:06 | <dcstimm> | want me to upload a sample for ya? |
| 01:06 | <Chutt> | not really |
| 01:06 | <dcstimm> | ok |
| 01:07 | <Chutt> | so you lied and didn't add the mouse scrollwheel support? :p |
| 01:07 | <dcstimm> | patches didnt work |
| 01:07 | <Chutt> | incapable of doing so? |
| 01:07 | <dcstimm> | didnt even compile |
| 01:07 | <Chutt> | ah, i see |
| 01:08 | <Chutt> | so you can't code, then |
| 01:08 | <dcstimm> | yeah, when I dont write the code, i have a hard time patching it |
| 01:08 | <Chutt> | all you have to do is listen for buttons 4 and 5 on the video window, and send back the appropriate keycode in the checkevents function |
| 01:08 | <Chutt> | should be about 5 lines of code |
| 01:09 | <dcstimm> | then implement it |
| 01:09 | <Chutt> | why should i? |
| 01:09 | <dcstimm> | because you know how |
| 01:09 | <dcstimm> | and I will stop bugging you |
| 01:09 | <Chutt> | i can get you to stop bugging me by banning you from the channel |
| 01:09 | <Chutt> | and that'd be easier |
| 01:10 | <dcstimm> | not really considering I work for a ISP |
| 01:10 | <Chutt> | ooh, big man |
| 01:10 | <dcstimm> | and I could just relog on with any ip |
| 01:10 | <Chutt> | are you a dumbass there, too? |
| 01:10 | <TardisX> | man I work for an ISP. I feel tainted now |
| 01:10 | <dcstimm> | yep:) |
| 01:10 | <TardisX> | damn |
| 01:11 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 01:11 | <witten> | ok, so who wants to give me free dsl? :) |
| 01:11 | <dcstimm> | im sorry to bug you guys |
| 01:11 | <Chutt> | who said that a tv is recommended? |
| 01:11 | <dcstimm> | i can hook up anyone that has time warner for free |
| 01:11 | <dcstimm> | cable modem wise |
| 01:11 | <Chutt> | btw? |
| 01:12 | <dcstimm> | well isnt it? |
| 01:12 | <Chutt> | uh, no |
| 01:12 | <dcstimm> | but a keyboard and mouse isnt supported |
| 01:12 | <Chutt> | a keyboard is supported. |
| 01:12 | <dcstimm> | ok |
| 01:12 | <dcstimm> | why not a mouse then |
| 01:12 | <Chutt> | the entire interface is used with keypresses |
| 01:12 | <dcstimm> | its easier for me to have a mouse on the couch then a keyboard |
| 01:13 | <Chutt> | it's easier to have a remote than either |
| 01:13 | <dcstimm> | yeah true |
| 01:13 | <dcstimm> | but a wireless mouse makes a nice subsitute |
| 01:13 | <Chutt> | kinda hard to see a little mouse pointer from far away |
| 01:13 | <TardisX> | serious dejavu. don't you two keep having the same discussion over and over? |
| 01:13 | <dcstimm> | you dont need a mouse pointer |
| 01:13 | <Chutt> | tardisx, i'm bored, running tests for work |
| 01:13 | <dcstimm> | TardisX: yeah i guess im really annoying about it |
| 01:13 | <Chutt> | need something to do while they're going |
| 01:14 | <Chutt> | dcstimm, how would you use the UI without a mouse pointer? |
| 01:14 | <dcstimm> | you can make it so the mouse pointer is huge when using the gui? |
| 01:14 | <dcstimm> | or highlights |
| 01:14 | <dcstimm> | i would just use it for the scroll |
| 01:15 | <dcstimm> | to change channels |
| 01:15 | <dcstimm> | like I do now with xawtv |
| 01:15 | <Chutt> | like i said, 5 lines of standard xlib |
| 01:15 | <tinsley> | whats freeplaytv url |
| 01:15 | <dcstimm> | i can be in the kitchen and change channels with the mouse |
| 01:16 | <dcstimm> | Chutt: awesome |
| 01:16 | <tinsley> | http://homepage.mac.com/johnsflowers/FreeplayTV/ |
| 01:16 | <tinsley> | nm |
| 01:16 | <Chutt> | tinsley, that one i pasted in here from yesterday? |
| 01:16 | <Chutt> | ah, heh |
| 01:17 | <tinsley> | so, from what ppl say, the vga2ntsc is worth it |
| 01:17 | <tinsley> | it's kinda pricey though |
| 01:17 | <Chutt> | is that a specific brand? |
| 01:18 | <tinsley> | AITech Web Cable Plus VGA2NTSC Converter ? |
| 01:18 | <Chutt> | ah |
| 01:18 | <Chutt> | some guy on the list said the tv out quality with his video card was better |
| 01:18 | <Chutt> | i think |
| 01:19 | <Chutt> | recently, lemme see if i can find the message |
| 01:19 | <tinsley> | i think i read its always better |
| 01:19 | <Chutt> | buy.com has those cheap, btw |
| 01:20 | <witten> | you can get a video card with tv out for like $40-$50 bucks |
| 01:20 | <Chutt> | $70 |
| 01:20 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 01:21 | <Chutt> | i just need to break down and buy a projector with dvi input. |
| 01:21 | <Chutt> | that'd be perfect =) |
| 01:21 | <tinsley> | witten: yes, but vid quality suffer from not having enough overscanning |
| 01:21 | <witten> | Chutt: how much are those? |
| 01:22 | <witten> | tinsley: if you say so :) |
| 01:22 | <Chutt> | several thousand |
| 01:22 | <witten> | tinsley: tv video quality sucks so much compared to a monitor anyway, I doubt I'd notice |
| 01:22 | <witten> | Chutt: ouch |
| 01:22 | <tinsley> | the aitech has builtin scan converter |
| 01:22 | <Chutt> | i want a 100" screen, though |
| 01:22 | <tinsley> | lets be serious |
| 01:23 | <witten> | is there such a thing as a cheap projector? |
| 01:23 | <Chutt> | what's not serious about that? =) |
| 01:23 | <tinsley> | heh |
| 01:23 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 01:23 | <tinsley> | witten: you can make your own rgb projector |
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| 01:23 | <tinsley> | for like $50 bucks and some cardboard |
| 01:23 | <Chutt> | projectors are getting cheaper all the time =) |
| 01:24 | <tinsley> | Chutt: which projector are you getting with dvi? |
| 01:24 | <witten> | tinsley: cool |
| 01:24 | <Chutt> | nothing |
| 01:24 | <Chutt> | can't justify the purchase =) |
| 01:25 | <tinsley> | i think i'm going to buy a new tv, a 32inch samsung tantus |
| 01:25 | <tinsley> | it's a grand |
| 01:25 | <Chutt> | hdtv? |
| 01:26 | <tinsley> | yea, flatscreen |
| 01:26 | <tinsley> | hdtv |
| 01:26 | <tinsley> | 3:2 pulldown |
| 01:26 | <tinsley> | blah blah blah |
| 01:26 | <Chutt> | still 4:3, i assume |
| 01:26 | <tinsley> | yes, samsung has a 30inch 16:9 but I don't like it |
| 01:26 | <tinsley> | also a grand |
| 01:28 | <tinsley> | i would get a projector, but i only want to spend about $1000 |
| 01:28 | <Chutt> | i'd think a 30" widescreen would look tiny |
| 01:29 | <tinsley> | Chutt: yes |
| 01:29 | <Chutt> | i've got an older 32" jvc, i just want something bigger for movies |
| 01:29 | <tinsley> | theres a good url for comparing 4:3 to 16:9 |
| 01:29 | <tinsley> | http://www.cavecreations.com/tv2.cgi |
| 01:29 | <Chutt> | i don't like the 11" height of 2.35:1 movies, or whatever it is |
| 01:30 | <tinsley> | nod |
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| 01:31 | <TardisX> | yay! |
| 01:31 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 01:31 | <tinsley> | bigger than 32" |
| 01:31 | <Chutt> | i should've just banned him a few hours ago |
| 01:32 | <tinsley> | my main concern about getting a tv bigger than 32" is moving it :P |
| 01:32 | <Chutt> | hah |
| 01:32 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 01:32 | <Chutt> | that's why i want a projector, really |
| 01:32 | <tinsley> | *exactly* |
| 01:32 | <Chutt> | no big huge box |
| 01:32 | <Chutt> | hah |
| 01:33 | <Chutt> | that dumbasses /. post is as 4 now |
| 01:33 | <tinsley> | 6lbs |
| 01:37 | <tinsley> | any national bricks and mortar sell projectors? |
| 01:37 | <Chutt> | chains? heh |
| 01:38 | <Chutt> | i don't think so |
| 01:38 | <tinsley> | it'd be nice if i could compare in person |
| 01:38 | <tinsley> | wtf are you supposed to do? |
| 01:38 | <Chutt> | order blind |
| 01:38 | <Chutt> | :p |
| 01:38 | <tinsley> | heh |
| 01:38 | <Chutt> | get demos from tiny little hole in the wall places |
| 01:38 | <tinsley> | yea |
| 01:39 | <Chutt> | that of course only want to sell you the really pricey stuff |
| 01:41 | <tinsley> | i wonder if i could get a decent projector off ebay for $1000 |
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| 01:42 | <Chutt> | thing about that, is, replacement lamps are really expensive |
| 01:42 | <Chutt> | and if you get something used, your lamp life is going to be lower |
| 01:42 | <Chutt> | at least for lcd/dlp projectors |
| 01:43 | <tinsley> | oh yea, they are usually between 2000-5000hrs |
| 01:44 | <tinsley> | and then i have to get a ceiling mount... |
| 01:44 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 01:45 | <tinsley> | probaly just worth it to get the samsung, when i settle down in a house i'll do the projector |
| 02:02 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 02:02 | <Chutt> | i wonder if 'catch23' is anyone on the mailing list |
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| 03:15 | <knight__> | hey |
| 03:15 | <knight__> | Chutt, does mythmusic scan the mp3s every time its run? |
| 03:15 | <Chutt> | no |
| 03:16 | <Chutt> | it does scan the directory tree for new files, though |
| 03:16 | <Chutt> | cvs should be quite a bit faster than the 0.7 release at it |
| 03:16 | <knight__> | hmmm |
| 03:16 | <knight__> | what are the major changes in cvs versus 0.7? |
| 03:17 | <Chutt> | mythtv's quite a bit different |
| 03:17 | <Chutt> | mythmusic's not all that much changed |
| 03:17 | <matr1x> | is it all logged in the cvs changelog? |
| 03:17 | <Chutt> | mythtv's broken at the moment, though =) |
| 03:17 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 03:17 | <matr1x> | kicky then |
| 03:18 | <knight__> | kicky? |
| 03:18 | <knight__> | heh |
| 03:18 | <matr1x> | thats my saying |
| 03:18 | <matr1x> | its pseudo-60's |
| 03:18 | <knight__> | matr1x, word. xmame doesnt like a lot of those roms i got from you :) |
| 03:18 | <matr1x> | heh |
| 03:18 | <matr1x> | which version of xmame |
| 03:18 | <knight__> | have you noticed problems with some of the roms? |
| 03:18 | <matr1x> | those cd images are from .61 |
| 03:18 | <knight__> | latest xmame release |
| 03:18 | <knight__> | ahh. i see |
| 03:18 | <matr1x> | the latest is .62 |
| 03:19 | <matr1x> | lots of changes |
| 03:19 | <matr1x> | just run a rom fixer |
| 03:19 | <knight__> | i wasnt aware that mame releases could only play certain ones |
| 03:19 | <knight__> | ok |
| 03:19 | <matr1x> | itl fix most of them |
| 03:19 | <knight__> | thanks |
| 03:20 | <knight__> | Chutt, what's changed in mythtv? mainly the encoding/playback split? |
| 03:20 | <matr1x> | its -3C/28F here right now |
| 03:20 | <matr1x> | in canada |
| 03:20 | <matr1x> | where i am |
| 03:20 | <matr1x> | leave chutt alone he's coding you douche |
| 03:21 | <matr1x> | read some docs |
| 03:21 | <matr1x> | geez |
| 03:21 | <Chutt> | hah |
| 03:21 | <Chutt> | mainly |
| 03:21 | <knight__> | heh |
| 03:21 | <Chutt> | and mdz's done a lot of work on graphical setup stuff |
| 03:21 | <knight__> | matr1x you slut |
| 03:21 | <knight__> | i'm coding too |
| 03:22 | <matr1x> | read the cvs-commits mailing list archive |
| 03:22 | <matr1x> | knight, on mythtv? |
| 03:22 | <knight__> | yes and no |
| 03:22 | <knight__> | i'm making some tvtime integrations on my own |
| 03:22 | <matr1x> | spiff |
| 03:22 | <knight__> | and working on making an interface for burning files (vcd, cd audio, etc) |
| 03:22 | <knight__> | but i'm actually current coding some of my own stuff |
| 03:23 | <matr1x> | does mythtv keep track of types of shows and try to record similar types? |
| 03:23 | <matr1x> | or is it not that finely honed yet |
| 03:23 | <matr1x> | i just went on a long walk to the seven eleven far away |
| 03:23 | <Chutt> | i don't want to get into doing that right yet |
| 03:23 | <knight__> | hmm, i remember seeing something on the xmltv site about like-keywords |
| 03:23 | <knight__> | etc |
| 03:23 | <matr1x> | im exhausted |
| 03:24 | <matr1x> | i saw like 12 cop cars |
| 03:24 | <Chutt> | to do it properly would require a central server that kept track of what people watched |
| 03:24 | <matr1x> | stupid cops |
| 03:24 | <knight__> | matr1x, from what? playing with your MAME Cabinet? |
| 03:24 | <knight__> | heh |
| 03:24 | <matr1x> | im still not done |
| 03:24 | <matr1x> | i was gonna put it on hold til it got warm enough to work in my garage |
| 03:24 | <knight__> | Chutt, another method would be to use keyword matching against their behaviors without a central server like the xmltv site talks about |
| 03:25 | <knight__> | Chut, for example... 10 words in a show's description are "likes" |
| 03:25 | <Chutt> | eh |
| 03:25 | <knight__> | let me get you the url |
| 03:25 | <matr1x> | likes? |
| 03:25 | <Chutt> | that'd work if the descriptions didn't suck |
| 03:25 | <knight__> | indeed |
| 03:25 | <knight__> | but it would be very simple to implement a test environment for it |
| 03:25 | <matr1x> | let me think of a simple method |
| 03:25 | <Chutt> | the _uh and _de grabbers get big long descriptions |
| 03:25 | <Chutt> | the _na grabber gets a sentence, if that |
| 03:25 | <matr1x> | hmmm |
| 03:26 | <Chutt> | err, _uk |
| 03:26 | <knight__> | well |
| 03:26 | <knight__> | once my media system is running, i'll have TONS of meta data that I might let you tap into |
| 03:26 | <matr1x> | okay, think of this. shows you tend to like tend to be on certain channels, so why not a channel ranking |
| 03:26 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 03:26 | <knight__> | since user submissions of video content requires detailed meta information, i'll have types of shows, descriptions, relations, user prefereces and ratings, etc |
| 03:27 | <matr1x> | descriptions usually say if something is a cartoon or action or something as well, right? |
| 03:27 | <Chutt> | not always |
| 03:27 | <knight__> | matr1x, do you really want to record everything on HBO just because you watch it? |
| 03:27 | <matr1x> | knight, well, its only one factor |
| 03:27 | <Chutt> | and like, i watch junkyard wars on tlc, but i don't want it starting to record all those medical shows |
| 03:27 | <Chutt> | that'd be.. bad. |
| 03:27 | <knight__> | yep |
| 03:28 | <knight__> | another thing is this |
| 03:28 | <matr1x> | true. but thats where specific program takes ranking over channel ranking |
| 03:28 | <Chutt> | collaborative filtering on a central server's where it's at |
| 03:28 | <matr1x> | alright. |
| 03:28 | <matr1x> | just a thought |
| 03:28 | <knight__> | query amazon web services... there's a lot of these shows on vhs/dvd and they have "other people bought this" |
| 03:28 | <matr1x> | people usually like sci-fi or comedy or stuff |
| 03:28 | <knight__> | you might make a _few_ matches that way |
| 03:28 | <knight__> | it's not like oyu want 100 matches anyway |
| 03:28 | <knight__> | do oyu really want one show you like to trigger the recording of 50 others? or 3 highly matching ones anyway |
| 03:29 | <matr1x> | realistically, a pvr is going to need the net connection anyways for the tv listings so a central server isn't a bad idea |
| 03:29 | <matr1x> | knight, hell why not, might as well if im leaving it on , im bound to be surprised eventually |
| 03:29 | <knight__> | he |
| 03:29 | <knight__> | eh |
| 03:29 | <knight__> | i dont know about you, but i dont have 50 terabytes to record 100 daily or weekly shows |
| 03:29 | <knight__> | :) |
| 03:30 | <Chutt> | i dunno |
| 03:30 | <knight__> | at around 2gb an hour, and 24 hours in a day, that would add up quick |
| 03:30 | <knight__> | and if you have multiple capture cards, that's getting nasty |
| 03:30 | <Chutt> | i figure if it's not doing anything else, and it can automatically delete crap, it might as well be recording something |
| 03:30 | <matr1x> | exactly |
| 03:31 | <matr1x> | enable a certain amount of space for continuous garbage |
| 03:31 | <knight__> | seems silly to me |
| 03:31 | <knight__> | sure, have it record 24/7, but stuff you WANT |
| 03:31 | <matr1x> | well yah |
| 03:31 | <knight__> | not bunch of random "maybe you'll like these shows just because it matches a genre" |
| 03:32 | <Chutt> | that's what collaborative filtering's all about |
| 03:32 | <matr1x> | whats wrong with that |
| 03:32 | <matr1x> | exactly |
| 03:32 | <knight__> | Chutt, I'm aware of that. |
| 03:32 | <knight__> | my content will provide that information, eventually. |
| 03:33 | <knight__> | but just matching based on a general type of content (i.e. SITCOM) is certain to match too many shows. |
| 03:33 | <matr1x> | think about it this way. how do you know if youll like something until youve seen it. what basis do you use |
| 03:33 | <Chutt> | right |
| 03:33 | <knight__> | and with automatic conflict catching, i could see it throwing away a quality show, for some random pile of a show i'd never watch in a million years |
| 03:33 | <Chutt> | that's why i don't want to do it, unless i can do it right |
| 03:33 | <knight__> | matr1x, i agree, BUT |
| 03:33 | <knight__> | maybe record ONE episode of it |
| 03:33 | <matr1x> | sure |
| 03:33 | <knight__> | and if you like it, you have to specify it to get them all after you watched one |
| 03:34 | <knight__> | i'd hate to have 80gb in a matter of 48 hours of USELESS crap i have to manually sort through to get rid of |
| 03:34 | <matr1x> | doesnt have to be constantly recording |
| 03:34 | <matr1x> | just recording stuff it thinks youll like based on your tastes |
| 03:34 | <matr1x> | if you desire it |
| 03:34 | <knight__> | sure |
| 03:34 | <knight__> | get a personalization engine, and capture user data like you guys are already debating on |
| 03:35 | <knight__> | Andromedia (erm Macromedia) LikeMinds and NetPerceptions are two quality products that do that on an enterprise level |
| 03:35 | <knight__> | i've got lots of experience developing in Java and C++ on the server side with each |
| 03:35 | <knight__> | big $$$ though |
| 03:36 | <knight__> | it'll trend out everything. |
| 03:36 | <matr1x> | pff |
| 03:36 | <Chutt> | the company i work for has a pretty decent recommendation engine, i could just use that :p |
| 03:36 | <knight__> | matching your tastes to other people JUST like you |
| 03:36 | <knight__> | Chutt, or that. who do you work for? |
| 03:36 | <matr1x> | theres noone like me |
| 03:36 | <knight__> | matr1x, i beg to differ. |
| 03:36 | <Chutt> | it'd need to be polished a little, we haven't touched it in a few years |
| 03:36 | <matr1x> | keep begging |
| 03:36 | <knight__> | heh |
| 03:37 | <knight__> | we've already liked most of the same things man. |
| 03:37 | <Chutt> | damnit, qt is annoying sometimes. |
| 03:37 | <matr1x> | i enjoy the harry potter books and die hard is my favourite christmas movie and i read comic books |
| 03:37 | <knight__> | Chutt, who do you work for? |
| 03:37 | <Chutt> | place called relatable |
| 03:37 | <knight__> | matr1x, i like all three. |
| 03:37 | <Chutt> | mostly audio recognition |
| 03:37 | <knight__> | Chutt, cool |
| 03:37 | <matr1x> | also i enjoy killing baby deer with baseball bats |
| 03:38 | <knight__> | ... Hunger Force - 109 - 20021015 - MC Pee Pants.avi: 99.75 MB 11.72 kB/s |
| 03:38 | <knight__> | damn, way too slow =[ |
| 03:38 | <matr1x> | hunger force? |
| 03:38 | <matr1x> | wtf |
| 03:38 | <knight__> | Aqua Teen Hunger Force |
| 03:38 | <knight__> | it's ncftp, so it's cuttting off the beginning |
| 03:38 | <matr1x> | you know whats annoying, theres an anime called tenchi muyo, and then theres an anime called tenchi muyo galaxy police. the two have no connection |
| 03:39 | <knight__> | yep |
| 03:39 | <matr1x> | ive heard of that. what is aqua teen hunger force |
| 03:39 | <knight__> | and there's like 4 versions of the real Tenchi Muyo |
| 03:39 | <knight__> | Tenchi In Tokyo, etc etc |
| 03:39 | <knight__> | aqua teen hunger force is on Adult Swim |
| 03:39 | <knight__> | i have complete collections of most of them |
| 03:39 | <matr1x> | but what is it |
| 03:39 | <knight__> | a cartoon |
| 03:39 | <knight__> | on adult swim |
| 03:39 | <matr1x> | why the heck is it called aqua teen hunger force |
| 03:40 | <knight__> | with a flying french fries, a meatball, and a vanilla shake container |
| 03:40 | <knight__> | they talk, dance, investigate, and make your favorite cookies. |
| 03:40 | <matr1x> | howie mandel makes me ashamed to be canadian. |
| 03:40 | <knight__> | you know that you should be ashamed anyways. |
| 03:40 | <knight__> | Blame Canada. |
| 03:40 | <matr1x> | thats the dumbest thing ive ever heard of |
| 03:41 | <knight__> | yeah, but that's because you're from canada. everyone makes fun of canada. |
| 03:41 | <knight__> | i'm certain it gets old to hear it. |
| 03:41 | <matr1x> | actually everyone except the USA makes fun of the USA |
| 03:41 | <knight__> | indeed. |
| 03:41 | <matr1x> | the USA makes fun of canada |
| 03:41 | <matr1x> | but thats it |
| 03:41 | <knight__> | but you don't see me saying we're great. |
| 03:41 | <knight__> | :) |
| 03:42 | <knight__> | no |
| 03:42 | <matr1x> | i didn't say that either |
| 03:42 | <matr1x> | i said howie mandel makes me ashamed |
| 03:42 | <matr1x> | but US'ians do say that |
| 03:43 | <matr1x> | i love mplayer. i converted the LOTR trailer to avi |
| 03:43 | <matr1x> | screw you, sorensen |
| 03:43 | <knight__> | heh |
| 03:43 | <knight__> | xine is nice too |
| 03:43 | <matr1x> | god i hate dr quinn medicine woman |
| 03:43 | <knight__> | but she loves you. |
| 03:44 | <matr1x> | how does mythtv rank shows? is it a thumbs up thumbs down thing? |
| 03:44 | <knight__> | now just imagine, you getting 80gb of dr quinn medicine woman recordings because of some half assed attempt to match similar tastes |
| 03:44 | <knight__> | :) |
| 03:44 | <matr1x> | knight, that wouldn't happen because i dont have that taste |
| 03:45 | <knight__> | i wasn't ranking your taste, i was commenting on a potentially poor implementation of a recommendation engine |
| 03:45 | <matr1x> | thats like saying, imagine you die of food poisoning because you win the lottery |
| 03:45 | <knight__> | dont twist my words anymore. Kthx. |
| 03:45 | <matr1x> | i didn't say that that idea was the only possible way to rank |
| 03:45 | <knight__> | Did I mention you did? |
| 03:46 | <knight__> | Because if I did, please, ^H^H^H it |
| 03:46 | <matr1x> | alright then. |
| 03:46 | <matr1x> | remember when we used to argue |
| 03:46 | <matr1x> | back in the olden days |
| 03:46 | <knight__> | yeah |
| 03:46 | <matr1x> | good times |
| 03:46 | <knight__> | it was quite enjoyable |
| 03:46 | <knight__> | indeed |
| 03:47 | <knight__> | brought life to an otherwise desolate and quiet evening |
| 03:47 | <matr1x> | simpsons season 3 dvd rumoured for may |
| 03:48 | <knight__> | i'm probably going to sell my season 1 dvd |
| 03:48 | <knight__> | not sure why i bought it to begin with |
| 03:48 | <knight__> | worst season ever made |
| 03:48 | <knight__> | their "gateway" season |
| 03:49 | <matr1x> | i dunno, it was cheap enough |
| 03:49 | <matr1x> | better than the last two seasons |
| 03:49 | <matr1x> | the current season so far is okay |
| 03:49 | <knight__> | Chutt, what is the anoncvs info? I only see a viewcvs version on the website. |
| 03:49 | <matr1x> | i doubt he's even paying attnetion to the channel anymore |
| 03:49 | <knight__> | season 1 was way too "kiddie" for me |
| 03:49 | <Chutt> | it's in the howto doc |
| 03:49 | <matr1x> | wow |
| 03:49 | <matr1x> | poor guy |
| 03:50 | <matr1x> | listening to us |
| 03:50 | <matr1x> | then again he probably saw his nick highlighted |
| 03:50 | <knight__> | Chutt, ok. It should really be on the website under the CVS download section too, perhaps? |
| 03:50 | <Chutt> | no, nick highlighting |
| 03:50 | <Chutt> | :p |
| 03:50 | <Chutt> | knight, naw |
| 03:50 | <matr1x> | :) |
| 03:50 | <knight__> | why not? |
| 03:50 | <Chutt> | then i'll get even more people using cvs |
| 03:50 | <Chutt> | and most people shouldn't be |
| 03:51 | <matr1x> | what does the v stand for again? |
| 03:51 | <matr1x> | ah. |
| 03:51 | <knight__> | version |
| 03:51 | <matr1x> | and the S? |
| 03:51 | <knight__> | system |
| 03:51 | <knight__> | concurrent version system |
| 03:51 | <matr1x> | what about the.. |
| 03:51 | <matr1x> | vip |
| 03:51 | <knight__> | heh |
| 03:52 | <matr1x> | you know that thing for increasing your word power? i think its really.. really.. really.. good. |
| 03:52 | <knight__> | word association? |
| 03:52 | <knight__> | Kevin Trudeau? |
| 03:53 | <knight__> | Mega Memory |
| 03:54 | <knight__> | Chutt, I disagree in some ways. The more confused users are reading the HOWTO documentation anyways, they're more likely to bump into it there. |
| 03:54 | <knight__> | Chutt, on the download page, if you mention the CVS version is most likely highly unstable, and unsupported, they're more likely not to even try it. |
| 03:54 | <Chutt> | no |
| 03:54 | <Chutt> | people will see 'oooh, newer than the last release! shiny!' |
| 03:55 | <Chutt> | and use it anyway |
| 03:55 | <knight__> | not if it make it clear |
| 03:55 | <knight__> | s/it/you/ |
| 03:55 | <Chutt> | no, trust me =) |
| 03:55 | <Chutt> | are you on the mailing list? |
| 03:55 | <matr1x> | "the cvs version has been cursed by evil japanese samurai gypsies. using it will curse your computer and your family with herpes" |
| 03:55 | <knight__> | yes |
| 03:56 | <knight__> | you don't have anything on the website that STATES that the CVS version is very volatile and unsupported to begin with. |
| 03:56 | <Chutt> | true |
| 03:56 | <knight__> | but hey, this is your software :) |
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| 03:58 | <Chutt> | used to not have the cvs info on the website at all |
| 03:58 | <Chutt> | i didn't write those docs, though =) |
| 03:58 | <knight-> | yeah |
| 03:59 | <knight-> | well, i'm going to try cvs mythmusic, and see if it still loads my mp3s every time |
| 03:59 | <knight-> | 4-5 hours is a long time to wait every time i load mythmusic :) |
| 04:00 | <knight-> | also, it doesnt appear that everything is loading anyways... once i get into the list in the gui, i see like 5 songs. heh |
| 04:00 | <Chutt> | well, did stuff go into the database? |
| 04:00 | <knight-> | no apparently not |
| 04:00 | <Chutt> | that might be the place to look, first |
| 04:00 | <Chutt> | some of the mp3 support might be broke, though, i dunno |
| 04:00 | <Chutt> | don't have any, don't really care 'bout em =) |
| 04:01 | <knight-> | ahh |
| 04:01 | <knight-> | yeah |
| 04:02 | <Chutt> | everything i have now was ripped in mythmusic |
| 04:03 | <knight-> | i noticed that compiling mythtv doesnt seem to use the jobserver, even with -j2 or -j3 |
| 04:04 | <Chutt> | i wouldn't recommend compiling like that |
| 04:04 | <Chutt> | bad things are likely to happen |
| 04:04 | <knight-> | i've never had a problem with it, and i've used it on many architectures, for a long time |
| 04:05 | <knight-> | espcially on a 64 processor sparc system i have access to |
| 04:05 | <knight-> | assuming dependancies are set up properly, no huge problems should arise |
| 04:07 | <Chutt> | that's the thing =) |
| 04:07 | <knight-> | ahh |
| 04:07 | <Chutt> | qmake doesn't do all the dependencies properly |
| 04:07 | <knight-> | yeah |
| 04:07 | <Chutt> | i haven't been bothered to try to track down the problem |
| 04:16 | <knight-> | how important is libNuppleVideo? |
| 04:16 | <knight-> | I can't get it to compile for the life of me. |
| 04:16 | <knight-> | some seriously broken time.h includes |
| 04:16 | <knight-> | more like, 3-4 conflicting ones |
| 04:17 | <Chutt> | well, it handles all recording and playback. |
| 04:18 | <knight-> | heh |
| 04:18 | <knight-> | fairly important indeed :) |
| 04:19 | <knight-> | darn my time.h's |
| 04:26 | <knight-> | easy fix |
| 04:44 | <knight-> | mythmusic from cvs working fine. |
| 04:54 | <Chutt> | fine as in better or fine as in same as before? |
| 05:38 | <knight-> | working completely as it should |
| 08:52 | <_shad> | Still awake? geez |
| 09:24 | <knight_> | hmm |
| 09:28 | <knight_> | i cant get my nvidia geforce2 setup properly |
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| 10:06 | <hadees> | hello everyone |
| 10:07 | <hadees> | anyone awake out there |
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| 10:13 | <mdz> | goodness, all these people with XPs that can't use mpeg4 |
| 10:14 | <mdz> | I should swap my "known to do mpeg4 reliably" tbird for one of their XPs |
| 10:14 | <hadees> | hello |
| 10:14 | <lichen> | hey how does the database support multiple tuners? is it just by the chanid, like 1004 is channel 4 tuner 1 and 2004 is channel 4 tuner 2? |
| 10:15 | <hadees> | anyone in here actully code for mythtv? |
| 10:15 | <lichen> | hadees, a number of us do |
| 10:15 | <hadees> | well i had a revilation recently |
| 10:15 | <hadees> | it seems like there are alot of HTPC interfaces out there all working on the same thing |
| 10:16 | <hadees> | i am not saying they should all merge but if there were like a Desktop Enviorment or somthing that be able to tie them all together |
| 10:17 | <hadees> | so MythTV has the best tv recording i have seen |
| 10:18 | <hadees> | take that part and create a program that only does that |
| 10:18 | <hadees> | and so on with each thing |
| 10:19 | <hadees> | so it would be modular in a way |
| 10:20 | <hadees> | mind you i just thought of this last night and it hasn't been really thought out |
| 10:21 | <hadees> | thats why i came here kind of bounce it off people |
| 10:24 | <lichen> | oh, actually i guess it uses the sourceid |
| 10:26 | <hadees> | so anyone care about my wackey idea? |
| 10:26 | <hadees> | guess not... |
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| 10:35 | <hadees> | come on anyone want to talk theory |
| 10:39 | <Universe> | hadees, Chutt is already currently working on spliting it up to be a client/server... client being the player, server being the encoder |
| 10:42 | <hadees> | yeah but i mean all the projects i have seen have very similar goals, what i want is a common interface where you could use like the mythtv tv recording and like the freevo slide show or mame front end |
| 10:43 | <bigguy> | thats silly |
| 10:43 | <Universe> | that would require all the developers to throw away their code |
| 10:43 | <Universe> | because I am sure none are coded the same |
| 10:44 | <hadees> | well see that why i think a desktop enviorment would work, and if you did it right everyone could code in any languge they want |
| 10:44 | <Universe> | well... considering tivo already offers everything a PVR would need and more... |
| 10:44 | <Universe> | there is no need for what you are talking about |
| 10:45 | <hadees> | so why write mythtv then? |
| 10:45 | <Universe> | err |
| 10:45 | <Universe> | I meant myth |
| 10:45 | <Universe> | not tivo |
| 10:46 | <hadees> | well yeah mythtv is a good pvr but there are other aspects of a media computer |
| 10:47 | <bigguy> | Mytv has a music frontend, game frontend, soon a video playback and dvd frrontend and more what else do you want? |
| 10:47 | <Universe> | recording to vcd converter also bigguy.. heh |
| 10:47 | <bigguy> | well heh |
| 10:47 | <hadees> | choice |
| 10:48 | <tinsley> | http://lichen.no-ip.org/miscpics/chrissquirrel.jpg wtf |
| 10:48 | <Universe> | and the way myth is, you can program 'modules' for it |
| 10:48 | <bigguy> | hadees: you do have choice |
| 10:48 | <Universe> | like mythmusic |
| 10:48 | <Universe> | and mythgame |
| 10:48 | <bigguy> | hadees: you can choose to help or you can choose another program :P |
| 10:49 | <tinsley> | lichen: you around |
| 10:49 | <Universe> | bigguy, one more, choose to help, another program, or program one yourself |
| 10:50 | <bigguy> | Universe: you just have to have the last word don'tcha ;) |
| 10:50 | <Universe> | of course... |
| 10:50 | <Universe> | :-) |
| 10:53 | <bigguy> | tinsley: whats the deal you are having with the picture? never seen an Albino before? |
| 10:55 | <tinsley> | nope |
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