| 00:00 | <Chutt> | i think it might be only removing them if there's a conflict |
| 00:00 | <mdz_> | ohh |
| 00:00 | <mdz_> | hmm |
| 00:00 | <Chutt> | then it'll just drop em automatically |
| 00:00 | <Chutt> | hrmm |
| 00:00 | <Chutt> | maybe not |
| 00:01 | <mdz_> | I seem to remember it previously skipping things it had already recorded, when there was no conflict |
| 00:01 | <mdz_> | prunelist looks to me like it should drop it |
| 00:01 | <mdz_> | assuming it gets called |
| 00:02 | <Chutt> | are they singlerecords? |
| 00:02 | <mdz_> | no, channel records |
| 00:02 | <Chutt> | weird. |
| 00:03 | <Chutt> | unless that query in findinoldrecordings doesn't work right |
| 00:04 | <mdz_> | I emailed you the info from the db if you're curious |
| 00:04 | <Chutt> | yeah, strange |
| 00:05 | <Chutt> | want to try debugging it? |
| 00:05 | <mdz_> | hmm...let me see if I have a non-broken tree around that I could use |
| 00:05 | <mdz_> | I can't update that box to HEAD |
| 00:06 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 00:06 | <Chutt> | no =) |
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| 00:09 | <brtb> | hm |
| 00:10 | <brtb> | fun with netsplits |
| 00:10 | <Chutt> | yea yea, lilo's a dumbass, film at 11 |
| 00:10 | <bigguy> | wow |
| 00:10 | <bigguy> | leave it to lilo |
| 00:11 | <bigguy> | <dvlspawn> i love you lilo.. |
| 00:11 | <bigguy> | <dvlspawn> i want to sex0r your EU hub |
| 00:11 | <brtb> | i've done much worse, lol... especially today when my DNS was out... of course dalnet wins the netsplit award |
| 00:25 | <Chutt> | hrm |
| 00:25 | <Chutt> | time to do my monthly theora cvs update |
| 00:26 | <Chutt> | wow, imagine that, no changed files |
| 00:26 | <bigguy> | theora is the vorbis teams answer to divx right?\ |
| 00:26 | <Chutt> | well, it's some other company's codec |
| 00:26 | <Chutt> | but yeah, pretty much |
| 00:27 | <bigguy> | vp3 |
| 00:27 | <Chutt> | yup |
| 00:27 | <bigguy> | or something |
| 00:27 | <bigguy> | I read about it a while back |
| 00:27 | <mdz_> | Chutt: are you on the mailing list? |
| 00:27 | <Chutt> | no |
| 00:27 | <bigguy> | don't imagine it'll be very useful anytime soon |
| 00:27 | <Chutt> | but the list looks pretty dead, from the archives |
| 00:27 | <mdz_> | it comes and goes |
| 00:28 | <Chutt> | the cvs hasn't changed a single bit since the first alpha release |
| 00:29 | <Chutt> | the webpage says alpha 2 was supposed to be out last week |
| 00:29 | <Chutt> | nice closed development, if so |
| 00:40 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 00:40 | <Chutt> | http://homepage.mac.com/johnsflowers/FreeplayTV/ |
| 00:43 | <brtb> | wonder how they got the ATI card to work with mythtv? =] |
| 00:43 | <brtb> | oh, it's a bttv-based |
| 00:43 | <brtb> | n/m |
| 00:44 | <Chutt> | just going through my referrer log |
| 00:44 | <brtb> | front page says All-in-Wonder 7500 though. lol |
| 00:45 | <TardisX> | interesting |
| 00:47 | <Chutt> | oh, that's nice, someone's squatting on mythtv.com |
| 00:52 | <tinsley> | whats this freeplaytv |
| 00:53 | <Chutt> | someone's website |
| 00:54 | <tinsley> | dvd recording, mmmm |
| 00:54 | <tinsley> | ripping of dvds would be *awesome* |
| 00:55 | <Chutt> | i don't want dvd ripping in mythtv |
| 00:55 | <bigguy> | there is alread other apps out there for dvd ripping |
| 00:55 | <Chutt> | bitexact copies, perhaps |
| 00:55 | <bigguy> | you could just add it to the menu |
| 00:56 | <knight__> | you guys should make a section on the website for a collection of menu configs |
| 00:56 | <knight__> | for use with user contributed third party tools |
| 00:56 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 00:56 | <Chutt> | but it's so easy to modify the menu |
| 00:57 | <knight__> | indeed it is |
| 00:57 | <knight__> | but it would be even easier |
| 00:57 | <Chutt> | naw, not really |
| 00:57 | <Chutt> | take longer to browse to what you want and download it, then add it to the file |
| 00:57 | <Chutt> | than it would to just edit the file in the first place |
| 00:57 | <knight__> | no |
| 00:57 | <knight__> | i mean with scripts, etc |
| 00:57 | <knight__> | i.e. additional screens that show dvd ripping options, for example |
| 00:58 | <Chutt> | ah |
| 00:58 | <knight__> | that gets passed to a script that actually makes it happen, etc |
| 00:58 | <Chutt> | right |
| 00:58 | <tinsley> | how about auto-get menus from the menu |
| 00:58 | <knight__> | yeah that would be neat too |
| 00:58 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 00:58 | <knight__> | just have it wget the appropriate menu |
| 00:58 | <knight__> | heh |
| 00:58 | <tinsley> | pretty much |
| 00:58 | <Chutt> | people bitch if you have stuff like that, though |
| 00:58 | <knight__> | really? |
| 00:58 | <tinsley> | no |
| 00:59 | <Chutt> | "why is this using the net? i didn't tell it it could use the net" |
| 00:59 | <Chutt> | yeah, really |
| 00:59 | <knight__> | have it disabled by default |
| 00:59 | <knight__> | besides, it already uses xmltv which uses the net :P |
| 00:59 | <Chutt> | true |
| 00:59 | <tinsley> | have it option to auto-get rootkit |
| 00:59 | <knight__> | indeed |
| 00:59 | <Chutt> | but, i had people complaining about auto-hitting freedb for cd information in an older project of mine |
| 00:59 | <knight__> | and also load it up with tons of spyware |
| 01:00 | <Chutt> | actually, people have asked for spyware =) |
| 01:00 | <tinsley> | who, m$ |
| 01:00 | <Chutt> | automatic recommendations would require a central server that kept track of what people watch |
| 01:00 | <knight__> | haha why? so they can feel more at ease to make it feel like a winblows box? |
| 01:01 | <tinsley> | how about an irc bot that autojoins some romanian irc server |
| 01:01 | <knight__> | useful spyware that doesnt cause me grief is ok in my book |
| 01:01 | <bigguy> | "Your a Gay Pregnant Nazi Extremeist Male" |
| 01:02 | <Chutt> | bah |
| 01:02 | <Chutt> | so the guy that registered mythtv.com is just a normal domain squatter |
| 01:03 | <tinsley> | how much is he selling it for |
| 01:04 | <Chutt> | it's not on his list of domains for sale |
| 01:04 | <moegreen> | Record created on 2002/12/6 |
| 01:04 | <tinsley> | ahh, waiting for the price to go up |
| 01:04 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 01:04 | <tinsley> | heh |
| 01:04 | <tinsley> | l4me |
| 01:04 | <knight__> | pathetic |
| 01:05 | <Chutt> | i should've just not been cheap when i registered the domain =) |
| 01:09 | <knight__> | heh |
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| 01:27 | <knight__> | heh |
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| 01:40 | <knight__> | is there anyway to change live tv channels by using the EPG? |
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| 01:44 | <Chutt> | yeah, just hit m to exit the epg |
| 01:46 | <Chutt> | hrm |
| 01:46 | <Chutt> | that might be different in 0.7, though |
| 01:52 | <knight__> | is there a key that loads the epg from mythtv? |
| 01:53 | <knight__> | oh m loads it |
| 01:53 | <knight__> | ok |
| 01:53 | <knight__> | is there a page on the website that shows all the keys? |
| 01:59 | <Chutt> | there's keys.txt that comes with the source |
| 01:59 | <knight__> | oh ok |
| 02:02 | <knight__> | so mythtv needs to be running in order for a recording to occur, correct? |
| 02:03 | <Chutt> | mythfrontend |
| 02:03 | <Chutt> | that'll change in 0.8, though |
| 02:03 | <knight__> | ahh |
| 02:03 | <knight__> | so what if the record time has been missed? |
| 02:03 | <Chutt> | missed? |
| 02:03 | <knight__> | by like 3 minutes... will the record be unmarked? |
| 02:03 | <knight__> | i.e. recording set for an 11pm show, but i load mythfrontend at 11:03 |
| 02:04 | <Chutt> | oh, like you didn't have mythfrontend running, then started it 3 minutes in? |
| 02:04 | <knight__> | yep |
| 02:04 | <Chutt> | it'll start recording then |
| 02:04 | <knight__> | oh nice |
| 02:09 | <knight__> | hmm, any suggestions on a good remote (that utilizes most keys) to use with my universal remote? |
| 02:09 | <knight__> | i know i should use a VCR one, since my remote wont let me use the RECORD button for DVD, SAT, etc |
| 02:49 | <knight__> | what about cards like the DC10+ that has MJPEG hardware encoding? can mythtv let the card do native MJPEG and convert realtime to MPEG4? |
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| 04:07 | <matr1x> | dumdedoo |
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| 04:18 | <knight__> | heh |
| 04:33 | <matr1x> | what was the problem you had yesterday knight_ |
| 04:33 | <matr1x> | figured it out i assume |
| 04:36 | <knight__> | yeah i did |
| 04:37 | <knight__> | not entirely sure actually |
| 04:37 | <knight__> | heh |
| 04:39 | <matr1x> | you dont know what it was? |
| 04:41 | <knight__> | no i forgot. i've had so many problems since i dont remember which it was |
| 04:41 | <knight__> | :) |
| 04:42 | <matr1x> | yeesh |
| 04:45 | <knight__> | mythmusic has been running for like 4 hours pulling the ID3 tags out of all my mp3s |
| 04:45 | <knight__> | he |
| 04:45 | <knight__> | hhe |
| 04:52 | <Chutt> | most of that is it calculating song length |
| 05:02 | <Chutt> | i should just turn that off, because everyone complains about that =) |
| 05:05 | <matr1x> | spiffy |
| 05:05 | <matr1x> | heh |
| 05:05 | <matr1x> | youd think it could get the length when theyre played |
| 05:06 | <matr1x> | how many mp3s you got on there anyways knight_ |
| 05:06 | <Chutt> | well, after they're played |
| 05:11 | <matr1x> | either way |
| 05:11 | <knight_> | matr1x, quite a bit |
| 05:11 | <knight_> | matr1x, atleast 40gb |
| 05:11 | <matr1x> | hard core |
| 05:11 | <knight_> | not really |
| 05:12 | <matr1x> | lot of crap? |
| 05:12 | <knight_> | i hardly spend time wiht my mp3 |
| 05:12 | <knight_> | yeah |
| 05:12 | <matr1x> | or is it all stuff you like |
| 05:12 | <knight_> | most i hardly even listen to anymore |
| 05:12 | <matr1x> | heh i only get what i like |
| 05:12 | <knight_> | some i never listened to |
| 05:12 | <knight_> | i use to, until my friends came over and just started downloading shit |
| 05:12 | <knight_> | so i have to go through a fix all the id3s |
| 05:12 | <knight_> | heh |
| 05:14 | <matr1x> | shaw's news server sucks ass |
| 05:14 | <matr1x> | i swear |
| 05:15 | <knight__> | Chutt, any suggestions on how I should start to integrate a full interface in mythtv for cd burning recorded shows and music? |
| 05:15 | <knight__> | matr1x, not worse than earthlink's |
| 05:15 | <knight__> | heh |
| 05:15 | <matr1x> | michael jackson is one weird freak |
| 05:15 | <matr1x> | heh knight_ did you ever finish that cataloguing program? |
| 05:16 | <knight__> | matr1x, still working on it. i'm going to be redesigning the core classes and then some database mods |
| 05:16 | <knight__> | also, i need to port my php xml-rpc interfaces to java |
| 05:17 | <matr1x> | why? |
| 05:18 | <matr1x> | java pisses me off |
| 05:18 | <matr1x> | i dont know why |
| 05:18 | <knight__> | the main reason i'm using java on the server side is it's much more scalable in the long run |
| 05:18 | <knight__> | on the client side, because i want to support windows, mac os, AND unix |
| 05:19 | <matr1x> | fair enough |
| 05:19 | <knight__> | there's a lot of people i know how have massive video collections on solaris/linux etc |
| 05:19 | <knight__> | s/how/who/ |
| 05:19 | <matr1x> | use .NET hahah |
| 05:19 | <knight__> | hahaha |
| 05:19 | <knight__> | oh my |
| 05:21 | <matr1x> | i had a dream that seven eleven was selling little beer fridges for like 50 bucks each |
| 05:21 | <matr1x> | and i was like, dude im gonna buy a couple |
| 05:22 | <matr1x> | i wonder what that dream represents |
| 05:22 | <knight__> | haha |
| 05:26 | <matr1x> | i should re-learn my french |
| 05:26 | <matr1x> | ive forgotten it all |
| 05:32 | <knight__> | me too |
| 05:38 | <knight__> | <knight__> Chutt, any suggestions on how I should start to integrate a full interface in mythtv for cd burning recorded shows and music? |
| 05:38 | <knight__> | just in case you didnt see it Chutt |
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| 05:51 | <matr1x> | im sure he did |
| 05:52 | <matr1x> | would one really need an interface? just add a "burn to disc" button somewhere |
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| 05:56 | <knight_> | i want an interface |
| 05:56 | <knight_> | allowing the user to pick files, etc |
| 05:57 | <knight_> | choose what type of burn it is, and allow it to print out cd labels |
| 05:57 | <knight_> | automatic cd label image downloading, etc. |
| 05:57 | <knight_> | most of this i can script, but i'd like the options and choices to be menuized |
| 05:57 | <knight_> | my goal here is one fluid interface |
| 05:57 | <knight_> | like mythtv already is basically |
| 06:00 | <knight__> | haha oh thats sad. mythmusic crashed after all those hours of checking the songs |
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| 06:06 | <matr1x> | hard to believe that crocodile dundee is 63 years old |
| 06:06 | <matr1x> | knight, stop being so negative. it only crashed because you dont show it love |
| 06:06 | <matr1x> | you must love your media programs. |
| 06:06 | <matr1x> | water them every day |
| 06:06 | <matr1x> | sing them songs |
| 06:06 | <matr1x> | give them fertilizer and sunlight |
| 06:07 | <matr1x> | then they will grow |
| 06:07 | <matr1x> | how does mythtv save filenames anyways. |
| 06:07 | <matr1x> | anything burned would have to be converted wouldn't it? |
| 06:08 | <matr1x> | make a flow chart or something |
| 06:26 | <knight_> | matr1x, hahaha |
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| 06:27 | <knight_> | yeah, they'd have to be recompressed |
| 06:27 | <knight_> | not hard though. |
| 06:27 | <knight_> | i'd add a queue menu to recompress items too |
| 06:27 | <knight_> | which should be really simple |
| 07:08 | <knight__> | does mythmusic scan the music tree and check each file _every_ time its run? because this is rediculous |
| 07:08 | <knight__> | 4-5 hours each time |
| 07:08 | <knight__> | heh |
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| 09:25 | <sideshow> | anybody here gotten a Matrox G400 MAX to work with TV-out? |
| 09:25 | <sideshow> | is this: http://www.flashdance.cx/tv-out-mga-fb.html really the best document to follow for it? |
| 09:25 | <sideshow> | I've got myth working just fine on my monitor (except for the remote), I just need to transfer it to the TV now |
| 09:30 | <sideshow> | the remote issue I have is that my remote that came with the Hauppage WinTV card works by default with my TV (Philips-Magnavox). |
| 09:31 | <sideshow> | so pressing up on the remote registers on the linux box and the TV, not really what I want.... this may take a bit to work around |
| 09:31 | <vektor> | The G400 TV out is very cool. |
| 09:32 | <vektor> | The method described in that doc is unoptimal for many reasons. |
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| 09:32 | <sideshow> | it's not a Marvel, just a G400 dualhead with the little dongle that converts the VGA connector to composite/s-video |
| 09:32 | <vektor> | Yes I know. |
| 09:32 | <vektor> | I have one too. |
| 09:33 | <sideshow> | do you have a little HOWTO on this then? :) |
| 09:33 | <vektor> | You should consider doing an output driver for mythtv to use Ville Syrjälä's DirectFB driver. |
| 09:33 | <sideshow> | ok |
| 09:33 | <lichen> | sideshow, same one i got |
| 09:33 | <vektor> | You can write raw Y'CbCr frames straight to the video encoder. |
| 09:33 | <vektor> | I have some docs and code about this here: http://vektor.theorem.ca/graphics/tvout/ |
| 09:34 | <lichen> | and do scaling in software? |
| 09:34 | <vektor> | But it's sort of in active development (the DirectFB stuff that is). |
| 09:34 | <vektor> | Well, that's unclear at this point. |
| 09:34 | <vektor> | I mean, you can definitely set the G400 TV out to scaling for you, in Windows this works. |
| 09:34 | <lichen> | so the general consensus with that card is then: you still cant do what it is we want to do with myth :) |
| 09:34 | <vektor> | Like, the TV out chip, the 'maven', had to be reverse engineered. |
| 09:34 | <sideshow> | yeah, I've used it in Windows |
| 09:34 | <vektor> | Matrox never gave out docs. |
| 09:35 | <sideshow> | right |
| 09:35 | <lichen> | yeah thats what i heard |
| 09:35 | <vektor> | So, everything we have in linux is a bit of a hack. |
| 09:35 | <vektor> | However, there is some leaked source code around. |
| 09:35 | <vektor> | And that's been helping recent efforts, although you didn't hear that from me. |
| 09:35 | <sideshow> | heh |
| 09:35 | <lichen> | its alright, i dont work for matrox :) |
| 09:35 | <vektor> | So, if you're up for some coding, you can have alot of fun with the G400 TV out. |
| 09:35 | <lichen> | besides, if anything it would HELP G400 sales |
| 09:35 | <lichen> | considering people would be like "oooh i can buy these for my linux machine now too" |
| 09:35 | <vektor> | G400 is obsolete. |
| 09:35 | <sideshow> | thanks vektor, I'll check that out when I get home tonight... |
| 09:35 | <lichen> | well okay, G series |
| 09:36 | <vektor> | And our code doesn't work for G450/550. |
| 09:36 | <vektor> | Which you can purchase. |
| 09:36 | <vektor> | sideshow: Well, check out that link. |
| 09:36 | <vektor> | sideshow: And try out 'dfbtv'. |
| 09:36 | <vektor> | sideshow: Tell me what you think. |
| 09:36 | <lichen> | im using the Radeon 7000 dualhead in this machine |
| 09:36 | <lichen> | er thats ATI though isnt' it |
| 09:36 | <lichen> | nevermind :) |
| 09:36 | <sideshow> | I'm stuck at work all day, so I'll give it shot tonight when I get home |
| 09:36 | <vektor> | ok. |
| 09:37 | <vektor> | lichen: anyway, also the maven chip is more powerful than Matrox wants you to know. |
| 09:37 | <vektor> | since they sell alot of high-end video framebuffer cards. |
| 09:37 | <vektor> | like the rt2500 series etc. |
| 09:37 | <lichen> | hah oh really? so they just use its cause its cheaper for htem to use the same chip and then limit it? |
| 09:37 | <vektor> | so giving out docs would mean that you could use the g550 cards as a cheap video framebuffer. |
| 09:37 | <vektor> | i don't think it's the same chip. |
| 09:37 | <vektor> | but i think this is part of their reasoning. |
| 09:38 | <vektor> | like, that's part of the reason why i love my g400 tv out. |
| 09:38 | <vektor> | it's very high quality, well, for s-video only though :( |
| 09:38 | <vektor> | but still |
| 09:38 | <lichen> | you seem ot have a pretty good grasp of all this, and im not any video coder.... but whats currently out there.. is it possible to use any of the millenium g400 dualhead stuff with mythtv? like fullscreen video and all that? |
| 09:38 | <vektor> | i dunno. |
| 09:39 | <lichen> | like right now im using the standard matrox drivers right off their site for X, i cloned the desktop on to both heads, so i get the myth menus and all that, but njo full screen video |
| 09:39 | <vektor> | oh |
| 09:39 | <vektor> | see, like, using X for doing tv out to me just seems wrong |
| 09:39 | <vektor> | since there's no api for talking to the tv encoder chip |
| 09:39 | <vektor> | so i just ignore anything like that |
| 09:39 | <vektor> | since it will never be the quality i want |
| 09:41 | <sideshow> | vektor: so did you have to mess with myth much to get it to work? |
| 09:41 | <lichen> | well unfortunately thats what myth uses for the time being :-/ |
| 09:42 | <vektor> | sideshow: i'm not using mythtv |
| 09:42 | <vektor> | sorry |
| 09:42 | <sideshow> | ah |
| 09:42 | <sideshow> | ok |
| 09:42 | <sideshow> | looks like I get a little project then! :) |
| 09:42 | <lichen> | yeha vektor talsk all this stuff about how he has wonderful svideo out.. then he breaks it to you "im not using myth" |
| 09:42 | <vektor> | which is why i'm suggesting you write a driver :) |
| 09:42 | <sideshow> | right |
| 09:42 | <vektor> | sorry i only have so much time :) |
| 09:44 | <lichen> | oh well... time to go install soem switches :( |
| 09:44 | <lichen> | im such a little network monkey |
| 09:44 | <lichen> | i need a better job |
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| 11:40 | <Chutt> | mdz, i get a 'setValue(' without an endline everytime i start up stuff, btw |
| 11:49 | <mdz> | Chutt: stuff being recording? |
| 11:49 | <mdz> | or the dialogs? |
| 11:50 | <Chutt> | the programs |
| 11:50 | <Chutt> | and stuff being recorded |
| 11:51 | <Chutt> | hrm |
| 11:51 | <Chutt> | nm |
| 11:51 | <Chutt> | when something records and when i go to the record settings |
| 11:53 | <mdz> | weird |
| 11:53 | <mdz> | I don't see how that could happen |
| 11:54 | <mdz> | it's not intermixed with any other output? |
| 11:55 | <Chutt> | nope |
| 11:55 | <Chutt> | also |
| 11:55 | <Chutt> | looks like the record profile didn't take |
| 11:55 | <Chutt> | or it didn't use it |
| 11:55 | <mdz> | right now it's hardcoded to use profile 1 |
| 11:55 | <Chutt> | i know |
| 11:56 | <mdz> | hmm |
| 11:56 | <Chutt> | with my settings, a test recording i did last night should be like 700 MB |
| 11:56 | <Chutt> | it's 2.2GB =) |
| 11:56 | <mdz> | it should print a bunch of setValue()s for all of the settings when it starts to record |
| 11:56 | <mdz> | I'd be interested to see what that says |
| 11:56 | <Chutt> | it doesn't |
| 11:56 | <Chutt> | just 'setValue(' |
| 11:57 | <Chutt> | i am using gcc 3.2, btw |
| 11:59 | <mdz> | Chutt: you're joking |
| 11:59 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 11:59 | <mdz> | next you'll tell me you're running Mandrake 9 |
| 11:59 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 11:59 | <Chutt> | well, i'm using cvs kde debs |
| 12:00 | <Chutt> | they use 3.2 |
| 12:00 | <mdz> | looks like it's not my bug then |
| 12:00 | <mdz> | heh...#171561: g++-3.2: iostream does not work |
| 12:00 | <Chutt> | i think it may be related to the use of cerr and a QString::null value |
| 12:00 | <mdz> | that bug is bogus, but the title is funny |
| 12:01 | <mdz> | maybe I should just rip out all the cerr stuff, it seems to work |
| 12:01 | <Chutt> | i'll try to figure out why it didn't get the settings for the recording |
| 12:02 | <Chutt> | soon as i manage to wake up more |
| 12:06 | <mdz> | probably the same bug if it stops there |
| 12:07 | <mdz> | I should at least skip it if the name is null; it isn't very useful in that case anyway |
| 12:11 | <mdz> | hell, there's already a gcc 3.3 |
| 12:12 | <mdz> | ...(branch) |
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| 12:21 | <Chutt> | hrmph. |
| 12:22 | <Chutt> | you have too much junk in the .h files :p |
| 12:22 | <Chutt> | what the hell's that guy asking about nasm for |
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| 12:33 | <Chutt> | ok, something really weird is going on |
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| 12:51 | <xmltok> | hi |
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| 12:54 | <Chutt> | mdz, the place where it sets the scalebitrate value in the recorder does an 'isNull()' check.. that right? |
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| 13:00 | <Chutt> | mdz, it didn't record with the proper settings because it was using a profile id of -1 |
| 13:00 | <Chutt> | so, something different |
| 13:01 | <xmltok> | anybody build a mythtv machine out of one of those via epia's? |
| 13:02 | <Chutt> | mean those overpriced really slow machines? |
| 13:02 | <xmltok> | yeah those |
| 13:03 | <Chutt> | you need a decent cpu to be able to encode video in real time. |
| 13:04 | <xmltok> | hurr thats what i figured |
| 13:34 | <lichen> | i got the movies.php deal working, im not really happy with it though.. like right now you can select how many days you want to look ahead and views all the movies, and a "movie" is a program longer than 70 minutes and whose category is something that sounds like it could be a movie, but this also includes "Musicals" like MTV videos and crap like that... plus with the way i had to query the database, its all sorted by channel first, and then by start |
| 13:34 | <lichen> | so the main hurdles are having a better way to detect whats actually a movie, and sorting each days listings by program starttime, neither of which is terribly easy |
| 13:40 | <Universe> | isn't there a tag in the database for what it is? |
| 13:41 | <lichen> | yeah a category tag, but that only says stuff like "musical" "comedy" "news" "talk" and stuff like musical and comedy can be either a show or a movie |
| 13:42 | <Universe> | ahh |
| 13:44 | <Universe> | you can do checks |
| 13:44 | <Universe> | if over 70 mins and != to musical |
| 13:44 | <Universe> | news, talk, etc |
| 13:45 | <lichen> | well there is a function that does :) but like i said stuff like comedy, musical and s tuff like that can actually be both |
| 13:45 | <mdz> | Chutt: yeah, that isNull() should be correct; the way boolean settings work right now is more or less null vs. non-null |
| 13:45 | <lichen> | the only way i can think of is maybe making a list of keywords to exclude programs with |
| 13:45 | <Universe> | but who watches musical movies? |
| 13:45 | <mdz> | I should probably review that stuff, it didn't get any testing until I added scalebitrate |
| 13:45 | <Universe> | heh |
| 13:45 | <lichen> | http://www.cadsoft.de/people/kls/vdr/index.htm |
| 13:46 | <lichen> | universe... haha yeah thats my reasoning too |
| 13:46 | <mdz> | Chutt: using a profile id of -1, meaning that it was actually executing insert statements with -1? |
| 13:46 | <mdz> | Chutt: the id stays -1 until it is saved to the database, at which point it gets set to the autoincrement value |
| 13:50 | <Chutt> | curRecording has a profile id of -1 |
| 13:50 | <Chutt> | when it was sent to the TV class |
| 13:51 | <Chutt> | hm |
| 13:51 | <Chutt> | ya know |
| 13:51 | <Chutt> | maybe i didn't merge in your scheduler changes =) |
| 13:52 | <Chutt> | doh |
| 13:52 | <Chutt> | yeah, i didn't |
| 13:52 | <Chutt> | that's why |
| 13:55 | <mdz> | didn't merge, as in blew them away in CVS? :-) |
| 13:56 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 14:01 | <mdz> | oh, right, that file moved. crap |
| 14:01 | <Chutt> | fixed now |
| 14:02 | <mdz> | the programinfo stuff is ok, though, right? |
| 14:02 | <Chutt> | right |
| 14:03 | <Chutt> | i think everything was ok except the scheduler changes |
| 14:03 | <lichen> | does anyone see the benefit of this: Also let you have a time slot and/or single recording coexiste with a "always |
| 14:03 | <lichen> | record on this channel" on different channels. |
| 14:03 | <Chutt> | that other patch? |
| 14:03 | <Chutt> | it looked fairly correct |
| 14:04 | <lichen> | yeah im about to merge it in, im trying to think of why that would be necessary though, to have a timeslot or single recording coexist for the same program thats being always recorded? |
| 14:04 | <Universe> | so is cvs working with gcc 3.2 now? |
| 14:04 | <Chutt> | well, i dunno |
| 14:04 | <Chutt> | universe, yeah |
| 14:04 | <Universe> | was thinking about grabbing it to test the changes |
| 14:04 | <Universe> | thanks |
| 14:04 | <Chutt> | but lots of other stuff isn't =) |
| 14:04 | <Chutt> | i'm going to write an email to the list about what is and isn't broken later |
| 14:05 | <Universe> | heh |
| 14:05 | <Universe> | ok |
| 14:05 | <Universe> | so I guess I should wait? |
| 14:07 | <lichen> | oh wait, i got it, its if a show is being always recorded on a channel, and you also want to single record the same show on another channel |
| 14:07 | <Chutt> | well, 'slong as you know some stuff's broken |
| 14:07 | <Chutt> | but live-tv works, and recording stuff works, and playback of recordings works |
| 14:07 | <Chutt> | delete doesn't |
| 14:07 | <Chutt> | watching what you're recording doesn't |
| 14:07 | <Universe> | doh |
| 14:07 | <Chutt> | and, that's about it, i think |
| 14:07 | <Chutt> | that's all local, one machine stuff |
| 14:08 | <Chutt> | live-tv works remotely |
| 14:08 | <Chutt> | the ui works remotely |
| 14:08 | <Universe> | live-tv, remotely! |
| 14:08 | <Chutt> | but nothing else does, yet |
| 14:12 | <Universe> | very cool tho |
| 14:18 | <mdz> | Chutt: the tv.cpp changes got lost too? no wonder nothing worked for anyone :-) |
| 14:18 | <Chutt> | no, the tv.cpp changes are in |
| 14:18 | <mdz> | oh, no they didn't. you added a check |
| 14:19 | <Chutt> | yeah, just in case |
| 14:20 | <mdz> | how do you think the live tv case should work? using profile #1 is suboptimal |
| 14:20 | <Chutt> | probably should be a live-tv default profile |
| 14:20 | <mdz> | a setting for which profile to use for live-tv? |
| 14:20 | <mdz> | or create one called "live tv" and always use that? |
| 14:21 | <Chutt> | hmm |
| 14:21 | <Chutt> | i dunno |
| 14:21 | <Chutt> | having a separate profile is more work for the user, but makes more sense |
| 14:25 | <Universe> | us users love more work, Chutt... |
| 14:25 | <Universe> | heh |
| 14:26 | <mdz> | well, the profile could be created so that it always exists |
| 14:26 | <mdz> | and just provide a place to change the settings for live tv |
| 14:27 | <mdz> | there's a similar situation with the default settings for a scheduled recording |
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| 14:38 | <Chutt> | so, have 2 default profiles created automatically |
| 14:38 | <Chutt> | live tv, and recordings |
| 14:38 | <Chutt> | work? |
| 14:38 | <mdz> | yep, I like that best so far |
| 14:39 | <mdz> | I'm trying to think if I would ever want to switch between two existing profiles for the default or for live tv |
| 14:39 | <Chutt> | sorry, i was working on the network stuff =) |
| 14:39 | <Chutt> | wanted to get that done before thinking about the profile stuff |
| 14:39 | <mdz> | that's the only thing that gets more difficult in that setup |
| 14:39 | <Chutt> | naw |
| 14:39 | <Chutt> | they're just defaults |
| 14:39 | <mdz> | yep |
| 14:39 | <Chutt> | once the 'change to a different profile' gets setup, people can just use that |
| 14:39 | <mdz> | for recordings, yeah |
| 14:40 | <Chutt> | how often do you think people would change the live-tv settings? |
| 14:40 | <Chutt> | like, i don't ever touch that, now |
| 14:40 | <mdz> | dunno, I don't watch live tv ever |
| 14:41 | <mdz> | yeah, that makes most sense |
| 14:41 | <mdz> | easy to implement too |
| 14:41 | <mdz> | add a couple of checks to ignore null values loaded from the database |
| 14:41 | <mdz> | and create two empty profiles |
| 14:41 | <mdz> | then it'll use the hardcoded defaults until they're edited, and then it'll save everything |
| 14:42 | <Chutt> | so they'll show up in the browser? |
| 14:42 | <mdz> | yeah, they would |
| 14:42 | <Chutt> | ok |
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| 14:42 | <Chutt> | hrm |
| 14:43 | <Chutt> | hey, got a download count of the .debs? |
| 14:57 | <moegreen> | Chutt: are you still around? |
| 14:58 | <Chutt> | yup |
| 15:00 | <moegreen> | hey, I was messing around with an on screen display and I can't seem to get the osd-big.png graphic to go all the way across the bottom of the screen. I tried it with a width of both 640 and 650, there is a gap on the right hand side. Also, is there a compelling reason to have a seperate line for the 'episode' name? I was thinking putting the episode name in quotes if there is data in it. It seems to be a better use of screen |
| 15:01 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 15:01 | <Chutt> | well |
| 15:01 | <Chutt> | the width of the osd is compensating for how much overscan my tv does, really |
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| 15:03 | <Chutt> | so it starts 5% into the picture, and ends 5% of the width before the picture ends |
| 15:03 | <moegreen> | int HorizScanPercentage= ?? |
| 15:04 | <Chutt> | that only affects the output |
| 15:04 | <Chutt> | of the video |
| 15:04 | <Chutt> | the osd is hardcoded to 5% |
| 15:04 | <moegreen> | ok...for this particular graphic it wouldn't matter much if the background was chopped - should I just make it even bigger than 650? |
| 15:05 | <Chutt> | 'sec, lemme see what it'll do |
| 15:06 | <Chutt> | ok, yeah, that should work |
| 15:06 | <Chutt> | i think |
| 15:06 | <moegreen> | i'll give it a shot... |
| 15:07 | <moegreen> | And the episode in quotes? |
| 15:07 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 15:07 | <Chutt> | i dunno |
| 15:07 | <Chutt> | that'd require some mods to the osd class |
| 15:08 | <moegreen> | yeah, I was looking through and saw where ... I just didn't know if there was any particular reason as to why it would need it's own line |
| 15:08 | <Chutt> | i just like it on its own line, is all |
| 15:09 | <Chutt> | feel free to modify stuff, 'long as it's able to do the old behavior as well =) |
| 15:09 | <nevertheless> | Chutt: are you still willing to apply the 'quit' patch? |
| 15:09 | <Chutt> | nevertheless, yeah, but i thought you told me not to |
| 15:09 | <Chutt> | you were going to rewrite part of it or something |
| 15:10 | <nevertheless> | yepp, i would suggest you maybe just apply the quit and 'halt' stuff, without the 'nvram' stuff |
| 15:10 | <nevertheless> | how about that? |
| 15:10 | <nevertheless> | because 'alt-f4' still doesn't work with fluxbox and so its quite hard to work with it |
| 15:11 | <Chutt> | can you cut the parts out you don't want, then resend me the rest? |
| 15:11 | <nevertheless> | yes noprob |
| 15:11 | <Chutt> | thanks |
| 15:11 | <moegreen> | Chutt: I made it's width 800 and it works ... thanks |
| 15:13 | <Chutt> | moegreen, heh, np |
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| 16:06 | <Universe> | hmm... the new theme link on the website (http://www.ziarek.com/mythtv) doesn't exist |
| 16:06 | <Chutt> | hrm |
| 16:06 | <Chutt> | it did when i put it up there |
| 16:06 | <Universe> | guess he was getting too many hits? |
| 16:06 | <mnkboy> | Universe: I had some problems with the link to - i just tried a few times and it works |
| 16:06 | <mnkboy> | err worked |
| 16:07 | <Chutt> | got a database error |
| 16:07 | <Chutt> | just now |
| 16:07 | <Universe> | I am just getting error page cannot be displayed, no db error |
| 16:09 | <mnkboy> | http://www.untzuntz.com/mythtv/ColorBars.zip |
| 16:10 | <Universe> | thanks |
| 16:10 | <mnkboy> | n/p |
| 16:33 | <nevertheless> | Chutt: the quit patch is out, everything necessary is explained in the e.mail |
| 16:36 | <lichen> | freaking crontab on my box woke me up this morning |
| 16:36 | <lichen> | to drive crunching |
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| 17:22 | <_shad> | :) |
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| 17:56 | <bigguy> | http://www.boners.com/grub/788145.html |
| 19:05 | <mdz_> | odd, I have some recordings which seem to have recorded the wrong channel |
| 19:28 | <_shad> | heh |
| 19:29 | <_shad> | not good :) |
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| 20:00 | <bigguy> | http://www.boners.com/grub/787371.html |
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| 20:23 | <lichen_> | hows cvs lately? i haven't updated in a while, is it a good time? |
| 20:29 | <Universe> | I was told I could if I wanted to... Some stuff is broken tho |
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| 20:45 | <m0tion> | what hardware is generally used as an IR reciever? |
| 20:45 | <m0tion> | or, what hardware could be recommended? |
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| 20:48 | <Universe> | goto lirc.org |
| 20:49 | <xmltok> | whats the recommended distro for mythtv? |
| 20:50 | <Universe> | there are .deb files for mythtv now, so I guess Debian |
| 20:51 | <lichen_> | yeah its pretty much a no brainer with debian |
| 20:51 | <m0tion> | to tell you the truth, i'm doing it with mandrake 9 and with the help of the docs its a snap |
| 20:52 | <m0tion> | probably not quite as easy as the debs, but the auto-hardware config in mandrake is much better than debian |
| 20:52 | <m0tion> | not to knock debian, i think it's a really good distro |
| 20:52 | <xmltok> | debians what i use anyway, so cool |
| 20:53 | <m0tion> | welp, best of luck to ya |
| 20:53 | <xmltok> | what speed proc do you guys use? |
| 20:54 | <xmltok> | i want to use one of the via epia's but doesnt look like it will be fast enough, but theres a mini-itx board that takes a p3 |
| 20:55 | <m0tion> | i would highly recommend against the epia's |
| 20:55 | <m0tion> | benchmarks show it rating somewhere around a P2-300 |
| 20:55 | <m0tion> | really not great, especially if your using MPEG4 |
| 20:55 | <lichen_> | the thing that sucks is its really hard for me to rationalize building a machine just for mythv, right now im using my friends 1ghz.. but my main workstation is dual 400's .. so it would be hard to build a whole new 1.7ghz machien just for myth :) |
| 20:56 | <m0tion> | I'd recommend one of those $50 Athlon 1600+'s |
| 20:56 | <m0tion> | those would do a killer job, and they aren't very pricey |
| 20:56 | <xmltok> | heat/size is the issue |
| 20:56 | <m0tion> | that could be a problem then, possibly a Duron? I know they run at a lower voltage |
| 20:57 | <m0tion> | you could take the 1600+, lower the voltage and lower the FSB, it would run much cooler then |
| 20:57 | <m0tion> | just ideas |
| 20:57 | <m0tion> | i would shy away from via processors or p3's, via processors aren't fast enough and p3's are too expensive compared to what you can get from AMD right now |
| 20:58 | <xmltok> | hmm |
| 20:58 | <xmltok> | well theres an itx board that takes a p3, i dont know if there is an amd itx board |
| 20:58 | <xmltok> | which is a big size change |
| 20:58 | <m0tion> | i don't believe there is |
| 20:59 | <xmltok> | im sure i can find a used p3 for a decent price |
| 20:59 | <m0tion> | probably, do you know if the mini-itx board supports tualatin core based P3's |
| 20:59 | <m0tion> | ? |
| 20:59 | <xmltok> | let me see |
| 20:59 | <m0tion> | those would be your best bet, 0.13 micron, and i think they are like, 1.45volts, very cool |
| 21:00 | <m0tion> | would you mind posting a link? I'd like to check this out myself actualyl =) |
| 21:00 | <xmltok> | oh freetech makes a p4 board too |
| 21:00 | <xmltok> | http://www.checkercube.com/Support/DownloadSf.html |
| 21:00 | <xmltok> | takes tualatin |
| 21:01 | <xmltok> | thats not the case i would buy, but theyre the only place ive seen that lists a itx p3/p4 board :) |
| 21:02 | <m0tion> | looks like a good board, i suppose the tv-tuner would go in the PCI? |
| 21:02 | <m0tion> | I'd look into a riser card so you could put it in sideways |
| 21:02 | <matr1x> | heh christmas story is on |
| 21:02 | <matr1x> | youll shoot your eye out! |
| 21:02 | <m0tion> | =) |
| 21:02 | <m0tion> | i gotta run, ya'll have a good night |
| 21:03 | <lichen_> | digital video? so you would need DVI->NTSC? |
| 21:03 | <lichen_> | er nevermind, thats just for expansion |
| 21:03 | <lichen_> | wow i need to read up, i haven't paid attention to computer hardware in forever |
| 21:05 | <xmltok> | yeah the riser might be a good idea |
| 21:05 | <xmltok> | i'd like to have a digital audio out too though |
| 21:19 | <m0tion> | well, i've read up on the lirc thing, and i'm pretty confused =) |
| 21:20 | <m0tion> | is it possible/easy to get an IR reciever to work with the IR header on your motherboard? I believe this is IrDA, anyway, anyone have experiance with this? |
| 21:22 | <xmltok> | hmm i dont know |
| 21:22 | <xmltok> | i know you can build one on the parallel port real easily |
| 21:22 | <xmltok> | or serial |
| 21:22 | <xmltok> | do ati cards have hardware mpeg2 encoding? they are making linux drivers now right |
| 21:22 | <m0tion> | i believe the all-in-wonder MAY |
| 21:23 | <xmltok> | that has a tuner right? |
| 21:23 | <xmltok> | i dont even need a tuner i just need a video in of some kind since i have satellite |
| 21:23 | <m0tion> | yes, but i don't think you can use it with mythtv =) |
| 21:23 | <m0tion> | i read specifics of this on the mailing list, but i don't remember them =) |
| 21:24 | <xmltok> | oh hmm |
| 21:25 | -!- | dcstimm [~daryl@ny-amherst3b-b-108.buf.adelphia.net] has joined #mythtv |
| 21:26 | <dcstimm> | why doesnt mythtv support SMP and why does it not compile with gcc optimizations for p3 cpus? |
| 21:27 | <m0tion> | no idea =) |
| 21:27 | <dcstimm> | it doesnt like my dual p3 700s |
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