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| 00:09 | <mdz_> | anybody out there using the actisys serial IR transmitter with lirc? |
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| 00:09 | <Chutt> | problems? |
| 00:09 | <mdz_> | just plugged it in and it's not working yet |
| 00:10 | <mdz_> | lirc says it doesn't think the device can send |
| 00:10 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 00:11 | <mdz_> | it doesn't tell you anything useful unless you recompile it with debugging |
| 00:14 | <mdz_> | ok, got that part fixed |
| 00:14 | <mdz_> | it at least thinks it's sending now |
| 00:14 | <mdz_> | now to find out why it isn't doing anything :-) |
| 00:16 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 00:17 | <tinsley> | live tv over network? |
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| 00:17 | <Arelius> | good day |
| 00:18 | <mdz_> | is Carlos Talbot around? |
| 00:18 | <tinsley> | oooh, not playback yet though |
| 00:19 | <Chutt> | but that'll come shortly. |
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| 00:21 | <tinsley> | so for this client/server model, there will be like a myth daemon you can run on the server |
| 00:21 | <Chutt> | have to instead of can |
| 00:22 | <Chutt> | even if there's only one machine, now |
| 00:22 | <tinsley> | ok |
| 00:22 | <mdz_> | hmm, would help if the serial port were enabled in the bios eh |
| 00:22 | <tinsley> | i havent set up myth yet, obviously |
| 00:24 | <tinsley> | i;m looking to do something like videolan though |
| 00:24 | <tinsley> | has that been discussed yet as an integrated feature? |
| 00:25 | <Chutt> | no |
| 00:25 | <Chutt> | i don't see the need to integrate it. |
| 00:26 | <Chutt> | anyone know a 'davis@enrock.homeip.net'? |
| 00:26 | <bigguy> | I need to get directv or dish so I can use mythtv. Now that I moved back home I have no need for it seeing as we have no cable and get nbc, pax and sometimes can pickup fox, cbs and abc |
| 00:27 | <bigguy> | none come in that clearly either |
| 00:27 | <Chutt> | davis@enel.ucalgary.ca, rather |
| 00:28 | <tinsley> | bigguy: you can record nbc and pax |
| 00:28 | <bigguy> | tinsley: heh the signal isn't that great |
| 00:29 | <tinsley> | the spammer |
| 00:29 | <bigguy> | even with the signal amplifier turned on |
| 00:29 | <tinsley> | lol |
| 00:29 | <tinsley> | yea, get a dish, they are pretty inexpensive these days |
| 00:30 | <bigguy> | heh I need to get a job first then I'll get one |
| 00:31 | <bigguy> | my cousin in alabama had Dish but he also used a programmer so he was stealing pay per view and such |
| 00:32 | <tinsley> | hacking a dish is 1) expensive 2) very time consuming |
| 00:33 | <devtrash> | 3) dangerous too |
| 00:33 | <tinsley> | not in canada |
| 00:33 | <bigguy> | tinsley: he spent $35 for the equipment and $50 for a used reciever/dish/unlooped card combo |
| 00:34 | <Arelius> | what is a ... reciever/dish/unlooped card combo |
| 00:34 | <bigguy> | the card was already programmed by someone |
| 00:35 | <Arelius> | to do what?? |
| 00:35 | <bigguy> | recieve all available channels |
| 00:35 | <bigguy> | and free pay per view |
| 00:35 | <brtb> | to unlock all the channels without paying directv for it |
| 00:35 | <Arelius> | ... |
| 00:35 | <Arelius> | so it is just a Dish Reciver that is hacked |
| 00:35 | <Arelius> | or DirctTV reciver |
| 00:35 | <bigguy> | Directv is harded to do than dish |
| 00:36 | <tinsley> | you still need an IRD interface |
| 00:36 | <bigguy> | Directtv sends out ECM alot |
| 00:37 | <tinsley> | of course |
| 00:37 | <bigguy> | anyway I don't want to go that route |
| 00:37 | <tinsley> | thats why you need an emulator too |
| 00:37 | <tinsley> | to protect your card |
| 00:37 | <bigguy> | heh |
| 00:38 | <brtb> | so you have to have a computer sitting there doing emulation... so you need a programmer, fake card, and the software running on a machine... it starts to pile up |
| 00:39 | <tinsley> | it does, i have a friend who was a dish hacker, he spent alot of money on that shit and alot more time |
| 00:40 | <bigguy> | well I guess my cousin is just lucky |
| 00:40 | <bigguy> | he has connections too so ;) |
| 00:40 | <tinsley> | yea, so does everyones cousin in alabama |
| 00:40 | <bigguy> | blah |
| 00:41 | <bigguy> | More connections than I have here in Arkansas. |
| 00:41 | <tinsley> | hey bigguy |
| 00:41 | <tinsley> | i drove once from IL to FL and how come all those ppl down there eat boiled peanuts |
| 00:42 | <bigguy> | dunno I've never seen boiled peanuts |
| 00:42 | <tinsley> | what?! |
| 00:42 | <tinsley> | there would be stands on the street corner sellin em |
| 00:42 | <bigguy> | we eat dry roasted/oven backed around here |
| 00:43 | <bigguy> | baked |
| 00:44 | <tinsley> | nevertheless, definitely a southern food |
| 00:44 | <bigguy> | I'm not big on peanuts anyway |
| 00:44 | <tinsley> | cashews are where it's at |
| 00:44 | <bigguy> | I like English/Black Walnuts and Pastacios(?) |
| 00:45 | <bigguy> | cashews are good also |
| 00:45 | <tinsley> | the most expensive nut |
| 00:45 | <Edgan> | Anyone have a copy of mdz_'s mplayer patch that hasn't been molested by the mailing list and works? |
| 00:45 | <tinsley> | Edgan: mythvideo? |
| 00:46 | <Edgan> | tinsley: not sure what is called, the patch at http://www.snowman.net/pipermail/mythtv-dev/2002-December/002282.html |
| 00:46 | <Chutt> | molested by the mailing list? |
| 00:47 | <Chutt> | it was an attachment. |
| 00:47 | <bigguy> | hmm |
| 00:47 | <Edgan> | Chutt: I am not on the mailing list and on see the archives |
| 00:48 | <Chutt> | should've been subscribed, then, i guess |
| 00:48 | <Edgan> | Chutt: A cut and paste, plus search replace to get rid of htmlisms still leaves me with a broke patch |
| 00:48 | <tinsley> | Edgan: why not subscribe to the list and get the old messages |
| 00:48 | <Chutt> | missed something, i imagine |
| 00:49 | <Edgan> | Chutt: yeah, the I understand that |
| 00:49 | <Edgan> | tinsley: how do I get the mailing list to send me old messages? |
| 00:49 | <bigguy> | I need to try that front panel cad/pricing program out to see how much a nice front panel precut for a 20x4 VFD, a laptop dvddrive, a 20 led vu meter, and nice power/reset/led cutouts would cost |
| 00:50 | <mdz_> | heh, I tried to send mail to the fellow who said he had this thing working, but his address bounces |
| 00:50 | <mdz_> | Edgan: download the mbox |
| 00:51 | <tinsley> | Edgan: with get |
| 00:52 | <Edgan> | tinsley: that doesn't make much sense. Going to try sending the patch to myself as an attachment |
| 00:52 | <bigguy> | Chutt you still working for the same company? |
| 00:52 | <Chutt> | yup |
| 00:53 | <tinsley> | Edgan: mailman uses majordomo style commands, what doesnt make sense about that |
| 00:53 | * bigguy | tries to remember the name ;) |
| 00:53 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 00:54 | <Edgan> | tinsley: I didn't know that it did. |
| 00:54 | <bigguy> | Chutt: I've been away too long |
| 00:54 | <bigguy> | I wish my cousin had DSL/Cable type connections in Alabama so I coulda kept up ;) |
| 00:54 | <mdz_> | Edgan: there is a hyperlink on the page with the mailing list archives labeled DOWNLOADABLE VERSION |
| 00:55 | <tinsley> | yea, just get the raw version of Dec |
| 00:55 | <tinsley> | or copy/paste the patch |
| 00:55 | <mdz_> | but if you're having trouble downloading the patch, there isn't much hope for applying and using it |
| 00:56 | <Edgan> | mdz_: I know how to apply patches fine |
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| 01:03 | <mdz_> | lirc really screws up the clock |
| 01:03 | <mdz_> | ntpd is going nuts |
| 01:04 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 01:05 | <mdz_> | still can't get it to talk though |
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| 01:05 | <mdz_> | I can't even tell if it's sending something...it would be convenient if I could see IR |
| 01:08 | <bigguy> | well off to bed I go |
| 01:08 | <Chutt> | 'gnite |
| 01:09 | <bigguy> | later |
| 01:09 | <bigguy> | afk |
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| 01:12 | <tinsley> | mdz_: you have a digital camera? |
| 01:12 | <Tuscany> | mdz, you still having problems with the actisys? |
| 01:13 | <mdz_> | tinsley: yes |
| 01:13 | <mdz_> | Tuscany: yep |
| 01:13 | <tinsley> | mdz_: you should be able to see the IR in the lcd of your camera |
| 01:13 | <mdz_> | Tuscany: too many variables...I don't know if my codes are right, if the driver is correct, etc... |
| 01:14 | <Tuscany> | i notice you sent a reply to my original post from november. Have you checked out http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-8.html#ss8.4 ? |
| 01:14 | <Tuscany> | the config file is the exact same on I'm using |
| 01:14 | <Tuscany> | i.e., the one you attached to your email |
| 01:15 | <mdz_> | I'll test receiving and see if that works then |
| 01:15 | <Edgan> | mdz_: I downloaded the mbox from the webpage and fed it to Evolution. The attachements don't show up as such, just plain text. |
| 01:16 | <mdz_> | Tuscany: what flags did you use to compile the module? |
| 01:16 | <mdz_> | Edgan: mutt works |
| 01:16 | <Tuscany> | mdz, you mentioned you're using lirc_serial. that's the wrong driver. did you go through setup.sh within lirc? |
| 01:17 | <Tuscany> | you should be using lirc_sir |
| 01:17 | <mdz_> | really? |
| 01:17 | <Tuscany> | if you properly selected the actisys within setup.sh it should have configured lirc to build the lirc_sir driver. yep |
| 01:18 | <Tuscany> | read 8.4. It contains more detail than what I posted back in november |
| 01:19 | <mdz_> | hmm, according to the documentation I read it sounded like serial was the right driver for a transmitter connected to a serial port |
| 01:20 | <Tuscany> | did you run setup.sh? |
| 01:20 | <mdz_> | no |
| 01:20 | <mdz_> | I am not installing lirc from source, I am using the Debian packages |
| 01:20 | <Tuscany> | oh...ok |
| 01:20 | <Tuscany> | well, do you know if your serial driver is built into your kernel? or a module? |
| 01:21 | <Tuscany> | that is, the standard linux serial driver |
| 01:21 | <mdz_> | it is built in |
| 01:21 | <mdz_> | but I disabled it on the port with the actisys using setserial |
| 01:21 | <Tuscany> | if it's building you have to use the setserial command. ok. good |
| 01:21 | <Tuscany> | did you try a modprobe lirc_sir ? |
| 01:22 | <mdz_> | didn't build that module, doing it now |
| 01:24 | <mdz_> | ok, lirc_sir loads |
| 01:24 | <Edgan> | mdz_: tried mutt with the webpage mbox. Again, doesn't see it as an attachment. It does see the whole message as one, but that does me no good. |
| 01:25 | <Tuscany> | try "rc 1" and watch your cable box |
| 01:25 | <mdz_> | just did, nothing happened |
| 01:25 | <mdz_> | where is the sensor? I'm pointing it more or less at the LED display |
| 01:26 | <Tuscany> | yeah, i have mine about one foot away directly in front of the led. |
| 01:26 | <mdz_> | ;hmm |
| 01:26 | <Tuscany> | when you built the lirc_sir module did it ask what serial port you were compiling for? |
| 01:27 | <mdz_> | yep, and I gave it the right one |
| 01:27 | <mdz_> | I do get this, though: enable_irq(4) unbalanced from e49069b7 |
| 01:27 | <mdz_> | which sounds like the driver could be confused |
| 01:27 | <Tuscany> | yeah, i get the same thinig. seems to be normal |
| 01:27 | <mdz_> | oh |
| 01:28 | <mdz_> | Tuscany: the message I sent to you directly bounced, btw |
| 01:28 | <Tuscany> | here's another test you can do. you can try at least to see if receive is working. |
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| 01:29 | <mdz_> | I tried irw and got nothing |
| 01:30 | <Tuscany> | you have to get close to test "receiving". the actisys seems to only function when your less than 4 feet away when it's receiving |
| 01:30 | <mdz_> | I held the remote directly up to the thing, less than an inch away :-) |
| 01:30 | <Tuscany> | you tried emailing me directly? |
| 01:30 | <mdz_> | yep |
| 01:31 | <Tuscany> | you might want to run lircd in the foreground using the "-n" switch. |
| 01:35 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 02:25 | <mdz_> | yay, works |
| 02:25 | <Chutt> | cool |
| 02:26 | <mdz_> | the debian lirc package screwed me |
| 02:26 | <mdz_> | I can't find the bug, though |
| 02:27 | <mdz_> | I think it was in the older lirc I had on there before I upgraded it to 0.6.6 |
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| 02:28 | <mdz_> | it was passing the wrong compiler flag |
| 02:29 | <mdz_> | I have a fair amount of code toward the video source setup |
| 02:29 | <Chutt> | cool |
| 02:29 | <Chutt> | i _should_ be checking my stuff in tomorrow |
| 02:29 | <mdz_> | I have some incentive to work on the external channelchange stuff now too |
| 02:30 | <mdz_> | bed now though |
| 02:30 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 02:30 | <Chutt> | g'nite |
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| 03:00 | <mirk_dt> | Chutt: if you're around I was hoping you would be able to post your XF86Config file for your dual head setup. |
| 03:00 | <mirk_dt> | I've been fighting the thing all day. Grrr. |
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| 15:42 | <ian2> | anyone here? |
| 15:43 | <moegreen> | yes |
| 15:44 | <ian2> | what widget set are the dialogs drawn with it mythtv? |
| 15:45 | <moegreen> | qt |
| 15:45 | <Markie> | heh..can somebody help witha QT question |
| 15:45 | <ian2> | hmm, because they won't theme, even though the rest of my desktop is themed, any idea why? |
| 15:45 | <mdz_> | ian2: edit theme.txt |
| 15:46 | <mdz_> | ian2: int ThemeQt=1 |
| 15:46 | <ian2> | i did, but thas just the menu, not the dialogs |
| 15:47 | <ian2> | thought that was 1 by default |
| 15:51 | <ian2> | anyone using the PIP? |
| 16:36 | <mdz_> | Chutt: you have any ideas for the capture card/channel source setup UI? |
| 16:36 | <mdz_> | I have the pieces written, need to decide how to put them together |
| 16:46 | <Chutt> | still wanting to do a wizard? |
| 16:49 | <moegreen> | Chutt: how do you want me to submit these changes? |
| 16:49 | <Chutt> | send me a patch |
| 16:49 | <Chutt> | on list or off, doesn't really matter |
| 16:50 | <Chutt> | diff -u, of course =) |
| 16:55 | <mdz_> | dunno, if it makes esnse |
| 16:55 | <mdz_> | sense |
| 16:55 | <mdz_> | do you like the overall flow of the current setup program? |
| 16:55 | <mdz_> | define capture cards, define sources, then associate them? |
| 16:55 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 16:56 | <mdz_> | I could make a wizard out of those 3 steps or something |
| 16:57 | <lichen_> | man the guy that submitted the movies.php patch is literally like the worst coder in the world, i think i fnially tracked down why his query was eating all my memory |
| 16:57 | <lichen_> | the same guy that hard coded "Saturday Night Live" into the code |
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| 16:58 | <mdz_> | heh |
| 16:58 | <mdz_> | what was "Saturday Night Live" for? |
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| 16:59 | <lichen_> | he was like trying to check and see if something was the movie, but apparently snl kept coming up as a movie, so he hardcoded it not to be... actually due to another bug in the code from the original programmer which i have nearly gotten worked out |
| 16:59 | <Chutt> | lichen, can you clean that patch up, and do whatever needs to be done about that other patch that someone else sent, and submit em to me? |
| 17:00 | <lichen_> | yeah im trying to work on it amongst everything else.. sometime this weekn im sure ill get soemthing else in |
| 17:00 | <Chutt> | cool. |
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| 17:02 | <Markie> | well thats messed up.. |
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| 17:02 | <Markie> | duh..rule #1, make sure you take out all exit() debugging lines before testing! |
| 17:12 | <ian2> | whats a good 2.5 kernel? |
| 17:13 | <_shad> | good question |
| 17:14 | <ian2> | cause apparently v4l is broken in .50 |
| 17:15 | <_shad> | hmm |
| 17:29 | <Markie> | yes ye syes |
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| 17:38 | <Edgan> | ian2: there is a patch in 2.5.49-ac2 that should fix v4l |
| 17:40 | <Edgan> | ian2: I am currently using 2.5.50 for my main machine. It is working well. I even have the nvidia binary driver working, tho I need to do some things to improve performance of games. Overall 2.5.50 is very fast/responsive. |
| 17:41 | <ian2> | u patched it? |
| 17:41 | <Chutt> | which patch did you use for the nvidia driver? |
| 17:41 | <ian2> | cause of this pinnacle error |
| 17:42 | <Edgan> | I used the workqueue patch, plus a patch I made to fix recent changes |
| 17:43 | <ian2> | hmm is their a kernel that works without patching? |
| 17:43 | <Edgan> | I am thinking of trying the tasklet patch to see if it helps with jerkiness of games |
| 17:43 | <Chutt> | ah |
| 17:43 | <Chutt> | is there a depmod yet for the new module crap? |
| 17:43 | <Edgan> | ian2: you have to stick with 2.4 if you don't want to patch nvidia at all |
| 17:44 | <Edgan> | yes, there is depmod |
| 17:44 | <Edgan> | but modules don't seem to be autoloaded |
| 17:45 | <Edgan> | I have also found a patch for making Evolution work with 2.5 |
| 17:46 | <Edgan> | Which is really a patch for ORBit |
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| 18:11 | <mdz_> | I have a need for a generic mechanism to display a list of existing things, and allow the user to either select one or choose to create a new one |
| 18:11 | <mdz_> | pretty much what the current RecordingProfileEditor does, but more general |
| 18:11 | <mdz_> | I don't much like recordingprofileeditor |
| 18:12 | <mdz_> | it just uses a dummy list element called (create new profile) or such |
| 18:12 | <mdz_> | but I'm not sure what would be better |
| 18:12 | <mdz_> | how should it look? |
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| 18:18 | <Arelius> | hey |
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| 18:45 | <Markie> | yea! submitted mythvideo |
| 18:46 | <Markie> | it's cheezy..but gets the job done for now.. |
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| 18:46 | <mdz_> | where is it? I don't see it on the list |
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| 18:48 | <Markie> | blah |
| 18:56 | <Chutt> | markie, thanks, i'll look it over tonight, probably |
| 18:56 | <Markie> | no prob..it's realyl cheezy right now..just a file explorer |
| 18:56 | <Markie> | but i'm still working on it :^) |
| 18:57 | <Markie> | shott..i already found a bug in it |
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| 19:12 | <lichen_> | well this is annoying as crap, my recordings get ike REALLY jerky about halfway and if i restart myth it plays fine, and if i rewind it a little and letit play it usually works it self out |
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| 19:24 | <lichen_> | i kinda wish the playback recording menu showed channels |
| 19:25 | <Chutt> | it does. |
| 19:27 | <lichen_> | oh :( yeah im retarded.. for some reason i was just looking on the scrollbox and i didn't see it on there, so without looking further, in my infinite wisdom.. it obviously must not have been anyplace else! |
| 19:29 | <Chutt> | it used to be in the list, actually |
| 19:33 | <_shad> | Chutt: Any chance you'll commit your big set of changes? :) |
| 19:33 | <Chutt> | maybe tonight |
| 19:34 | <Chutt> | it's not going to be all that useable. |
| 19:34 | <_shad> | hehe |
| 19:34 | <_shad> | that's ok |
| 19:34 | <_shad> | I have to do something other than study for exams |
| 19:35 | <lichen_> | oh crap... studying for exams |
| 19:35 | <lichen_> | i forgot about that |
| 19:36 | <mdz_> | I'm trying to think of a good example of a UI that does what I want to do, and I can't find any |
| 19:38 | * ian2 | is done with finals |
| 19:41 | * _shad | has 10 exams. 6 this week :( |
| 19:41 | <lichen_> | geez.. i got awa with a mere 3 |
| 19:42 | <_shad> | :) |
| 19:42 | <_shad> | I decided not to study |
| 19:42 | <_shad> | but now I'm bored. nothing to do. hehe |
| 19:42 | * _shad | is compiling KDE HEAD |
| 19:42 | <_shad> | hehe |
| 19:48 | <mdz_> | _shad: work on mythtv |
| 19:49 | <_shad> | :) |
| 19:49 | <_shad> | I can't program |
| 19:49 | <ian2> | learn |
| 19:49 | <_shad> | I can beta test |
| 19:49 | <_shad> | :) |
| 19:49 | <_shad> | I'm actually learning assembler starting in jan |
| 19:51 | * _shad | goes to watch TV with his fiance. :) |
| 19:53 | <tinsley> | your hand? |
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| 20:05 | <Markie> | hey, how can i change the color of text? |
| 20:05 | <Markie> | in qt |
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| 20:21 | <mdz_> | dunno, check the manual |
| 20:21 | <Markie> | heh. |
| 20:21 | <Markie> | yea..doing it |
| 20:35 | <Markie> | i'm starting to really like Qt |
| 20:46 | <vektor> | Starting to? |
| 20:46 | <vektor> | Jeez, yo'ure late. :) |
| 20:46 | <vektor> | Qt has been cool since like '98. |
| 20:49 | <ian2> | whatever, win 3.1 owns you |
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| 21:04 | <knoppix> | tusncay0: are you here? |
| 21:09 | <Markie> | vektor: heh..well, i gave up with X toolkits in like '95 |
| 21:09 | <Markie> | motif was the only one that didnt suck then..and i had been burned by so many others, i stopped looking |
| 21:13 | <vektor> | Qt was great for me, but I found it difficult to convince people to install KDE to run my applications. |
| 21:13 | <vektor> | And they weren't ok with Qt when it wasn't GPL. |
| 21:13 | <vektor> | So, I just gave up on the whole thing. |
| 21:14 | <vektor> | I think now if I were to write a GUI app I'd just use Qt directly. |
| 21:17 | <lichen_> | im using a bttv and i was just wondering if anyone had any idea on how to help out the tuner quality, like the picture looks great on my other tv, i have my cable split, on going to my tv, the other gonig to my bttv tuner, and it gets these like diagonal scrolling lines.. any ideas on how to help that? |
| 21:17 | <ian2> | fiddle with the coax |
| 21:17 | <lichen_> | some channels worse than ohers too |
| 21:17 | <lichen_> | yeah thats what i tried.. perhaps i need more fiddling |
| 21:17 | <matr1x> | try swapping the cables |
| 21:17 | <ian2> | yeah and move the card as far away from everything as u can |
| 21:18 | <ian2> | maybe a faraday cage around it. . . |
| 21:18 | <matr1x> | could be interference with your computr components |
| 21:18 | <ian2> | tuner quality is always gonna suck, tune with a vcr |
| 21:19 | <vektor> | ian2: Why do you say that? |
| 21:19 | <vektor> | I mean, it's true to a degree since computers have lots of interference. |
| 21:19 | <ian2> | to much noise and the tuner is crap, least on mine anyway |
| 21:19 | <vektor> | But I've found that using my pass-thru/G400 TV output hack, I can switch between live cable and pass-thru my computer and quality is pretty much identical. |
| 21:20 | <vektor> | I should rephrase that: it is identical. |
| 21:20 | <vektor> | However, on some high channels I think I do get more interference in the computer than straight through, I should do some objective tests of that. |
| 21:21 | <lichen_> | g400 tv output hack? |
| 21:21 | <vektor> | http://vektor.theorem.ca/graphics/tvout/ |
| 21:21 | <vektor> | I'm a quality freak. |
| 21:21 | <vektor> | We now have a driver in DirectFB so that I can write interlaced video to the G400 TV encoder in raw Y'CbCr format. |
| 21:22 | <vektor> | So, I'm basically able to talk directly to the TV encoder chip. |
| 21:22 | <lichen_> | i should know more about video.. but i dont, in short, will this help me with my millenium g400 tvout ordeal? :) |
| 21:23 | <vektor> | You have a G400? |
| 21:23 | <vektor> | It could help you, but there are no real apps to use with it :) |
| 21:23 | <vektor> | And I haven't had time to keep mine up to date. |
| 21:23 | <vektor> | But if you get the latest DirectFB, and my dfbtv app: http://vektor.theorem.ca/graphics/tvout/dfbtv/ |
| 21:23 | <vektor> | then you should be able to get pass-thru working |
| 21:23 | <vektor> | so it will take input from the bttv and write it straight out to the tv output. |
| 21:24 | <vektor> | Unfortunately, it does tear right now. There are some bugs in that code. |
| 21:24 | <vektor> | So I claim it's alot better than it is on that webpage :) |
| 21:24 | <vektor> | We've been in discussions about what's going on on the DirectFB mailing list, but with exams and stuff I haven't had time to work on it. |
| 21:24 | <lichen_> | well, to use with myth that is, im currently using the actual matrox drivers, so i can get tv out working, but i dont get tv from myth outputted, from reading up on all this stuff, i can only ascertain this is because the chip cant do both RGB->YUV and colorization and scaling at the same time.... i found some page that apprently accomplishes this using a framebuffer though, but i have yet to try it out |
| 21:24 | <vektor> | Uh... |
| 21:25 | <vektor> | I think you're confused. |
| 21:25 | <lichen_> | its likely.. |
| 21:25 | <vektor> | Waitasec. |
| 21:25 | <vektor> | What capture card do you have? |
| 21:25 | <vektor> | Do you have a G400 with TV in? |
| 21:25 | <lichen_> | bttv |
| 21:25 | <vektor> | As well as out? |
| 21:25 | <vektor> | Oh ok. |
| 21:25 | <lichen_> | no, i was using the rainbow runner, but i stopped trying to use that |
| 21:25 | <vektor> | So you have a bttv-supported card and a G400 with TV output. |
| 21:25 | <lichen_> | so now i just wanna use my G400 with tvout |
| 21:25 | <lichen_> | yep |
| 21:25 | <vektor> | Well, dude, the G400 does XVideo just fine. |
| 21:25 | <vektor> | So you get scaling and conversion Y'CbCr->R'G'B'. |
| 21:26 | <vektor> | Ooooh. |
| 21:26 | <lichen_> | well, i dont think it cando both at the same time |
| 21:26 | <vektor> | You mean scaling and TV out at the same time. |
| 21:26 | <lichen_> | at least not with the standard drivers |
| 21:26 | <lichen_> | exactly |
| 21:26 | <vektor> | I think you're right, and it's because the drivers are stupid. |
| 21:26 | <lichen_> | http://www.flashdance.cx/tv-out-mga-fb.html ... i found that page though, andi think that might just accomplish waht i need |
| 21:26 | <ian2> | scaling and tv out shouldnt even be related or? |
| 21:26 | <lichen_> | ian2, as far as i know, the card uses the same RAMDAC |
| 21:27 | <lichen_> | which is why there are problems |
| 21:27 | <vektor> | ian2: Well, they are related if you don't sample at the same resolution as the TV output. |
| 21:27 | <vektor> | Standard digital sampling for TV is 720x480. |
| 21:27 | <vektor> | If you capture at that resolution, then you don't need to scale when you output to your TV. |
| 21:27 | <vektor> | Since that's the resolution of the TV encoder. |
| 21:27 | <lichen_> | oh really? so if i set the mythtv resolution to that it would work? :) |
| 21:27 | <knoppix> | does anyone know to tweak color/contrast/saturation values if using composite input on tuner card? |
| 21:27 | <vektor> | Well... Unfortunately the binary drivers for TV output are stupid |
| 21:27 | <vektor> | So I don't know. |
| 21:28 | <vektor> | lichen: Drop by some other time and we should talk about it :) I have an exam tomorrow so I have to go study more. |
| 21:28 | <vektor> | lates! ;-) |
| 21:28 | <knoppix> | vektor: just want to say hi ... hope that category theory test went okay a few days ago :) |
| 21:28 | <vektor> | knoppix: it went 'ok' |
| 21:28 | <knoppix> | cool |
| 21:28 | <vektor> | knoppix: he said i got about 70-80ish |
| 21:28 | <lichen_> | haha okay thanks! later |
| 21:28 | <vektor> | so, i guess he'll pass me |
| 21:28 | <knoppix> | how was that relative to the class? |
| 21:29 | <vektor> | sucked of course :) |
| 21:29 | <vektor> | i do no work :) |
| 21:29 | <vektor> | but i enjoyed it alot |
| 21:29 | <knoppix> | ah, that will do it to you every time :) |
| 21:29 | <vektor> | well, that's just what i do |
| 21:29 | <vektor> | it's kinda sad. |
| 21:29 | <vektor> | i'm a straight 70 student. |
| 21:29 | <knoppix> | do you know what yoneda's lemma says ? :) |
| 21:29 | <vektor> | too much coding and irc |
| 21:29 | <vektor> | no, what? |
| 21:29 | <knoppix> | I can't remember either ... just remember the name :) |
| 21:30 | <knoppix> | something about naturalness of functors |
| 21:30 | <vektor> | ahaha |
| 21:30 | <vektor> | i still don't know if it's 'natural' to say anything about functors |
| 21:30 | <knoppix> | hey do you use composite input on your card? |
| 21:30 | <vektor> | on my card? |
| 21:30 | <knoppix> | tv tuner |
| 21:30 | <vektor> | i do sometimes |
| 21:30 | <vektor> | i have a small video camera i use on the composite input |
| 21:30 | <vektor> | also my DVD player |
| 21:30 | <knoppix> | do you know how to tweak color/saturation/etc values |
| 21:31 | <knoppix> | with mythtv |
| 21:31 | <vektor> | same as anything else |
| 21:31 | <knoppix> | where are the settings stored? |
| 21:31 | <vektor> | i don't use mythtv |
| 21:31 | <knoppix> | kidding? |
| 21:31 | <vektor> | i just use his code |
| 21:31 | <knoppix> | ah, for what? |
| 21:31 | <vektor> | in my own projects :) |
| 21:31 | <ian2> | omg theif |
| 21:31 | <vektor> | and i'd like to contribute some code |
| 21:31 | <vektor> | i mean, that's the idea anyway |
| 21:31 | <vektor> | my current project is tvtime.sourceforge.net |
| 21:31 | <moegreen> | knoppix: myth tv doesn't have any of those values, you can change them with v4lctl i believe |
| 21:32 | <vektor> | i'm using hacked up versions of mythtv's freetype code |
| 21:32 | <ian2> | is anyone working on finishing mythweb? or is that already finished? |
| 21:32 | <vektor> | for one |
| 21:32 | <knoppix> | moegreen: thanks ... I now remember that program ... cool |
| 21:33 | <ian2> | hey vektor, ill give u a dollar if u put on osd epg onto tvtime |
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| 21:33 | <vektor> | ok will do |
| 21:33 | <vektor> | we're doing that already |
| 21:33 | <vektor> | we support XDS now, so for some channels we'll say what the name of the currnet show is, channel name, call letters, ratings, etc. |
| 21:33 | <vektor> | but anyway |
| 21:33 | * vektor | studying :) |
| 21:33 | <Chutt> | mdz, hey, around? |
| 21:40 | <Markie> | i'm sooo confused....arghh.... |
| 21:43 | <tinsley> | when will mythvideo be released |
| 21:56 | <Markie> | i posted it today to the mailing list |
| 21:56 | <Markie> | i'm adding directory support |
| 21:57 | <Markie> | i stupidly didnt put it in |
| 22:01 | -!- | witten__ is now known as witten |
| 22:03 | <tinsley> | heh |
| 22:03 | <tinsley> | Markie: is there a ss of it in action |
| 22:13 | <ian2> | mythtv needs a rating system, so u can give things different ratings which it could then use to resolve conflicts |
| 22:13 | <Markie> | tinsley..i can dump one now.. |
| 22:14 | <tinsley> | cool cool |
| 22:15 | <Markie> | http://www.shatterit.com/Screenshot-mythexplorer.png |
| 22:16 | <Markie> | that's with my directory navigation i'm finishing up now |
| 22:18 | <_shad> | Markie: harry potter dvdrip? |
| 22:18 | <_shad> | gah? |
| 22:18 | <tinsley> | nice, and those are backups right? :P |
| 22:19 | <tinsley> | thats been out for awhile |
| 22:19 | <_shad> | umm |
| 22:19 | <_shad> | I doubt it's a dvdrip |
| 22:19 | <_shad> | :) |
| 22:20 | <_shad> | the svcd telesync has just been released |
| 22:20 | <Markie> | umm..no the chamber of secrets is really "dude, wheres my car" |
| 22:20 | <Markie> | bastards |
| 22:21 | <Markie> | you have no idea how much movies i have.. |
| 22:21 | <Markie> | (all backups of course) |
| 22:21 | <Markie> | over 1/2 a terrabyte! |
| 22:21 | <_shad> | :) |
| 22:21 | <tinsley> | _shad: you remember that lotr dvdrip right |
| 22:21 | <_shad> | how many movies is that? |
| 22:22 | <_shad> | I have both copies |
| 22:22 | <_shad> | :) |
| 22:22 | <_shad> | actually |
| 22:22 | <_shad> | I have 3 copies |
| 22:22 | <Markie> | imm..i htink 286.. |
| 22:22 | <_shad> | the dvd screener, the dvdrip, and the collectors edition |
| 22:22 | <Markie> | lemme check.. |
| 22:22 | <tinsley> | i wish i had the time to get more movies |
| 22:22 | <tinsley> | its fucking time consuming unless you got a direct hookup |
| 22:23 | <tinsley> | _shad: yea, hte dvdscreener...that was some sweet shit at the time |
| 22:23 | <_shad> | http://shad.hopto.org/~shad/movies.jpg |
| 22:24 | <_shad> | Ya, I watched it.. and almost fell asleep. hehe. forgot how long it was :) |
| 22:25 | <_shad> | tinsley: You see that pic? |
| 22:25 | <tinsley> | yea |
| 22:25 | <Markie> | 71 + 25 +125 + come others..13 or so..whatever that adds you pto |
| 22:26 | <_shad> | tinsley: That's almost pushing 500 movies there :) |
| 22:26 | <_shad> | I think with what I have on my HD, I'll hit 500 |
| 22:26 | <Markie> | this freeken QT ...arghh.! |
| 22:26 | <_shad> | heh |
| 22:27 | <tinsley> | _shad: all divx or vcd? |
| 22:27 | <Markie> | i cant get QDir to work |
| 22:27 | <_shad> | I had to setup an access database :( |
| 22:27 | <_shad> | vcd/svcd |
| 22:27 | <Markie> | i can't wait till i get the imdb hooked up with mythvideo. |
| 22:27 | <_shad> | hehe |
| 22:27 | <Markie> | i'm gonna make it so that if you hover over the movie name, it'll overlay the movie details, plot, and poster |
| 22:27 | <_shad> | cool |
| 22:28 | <_shad> | How will it know which movie, by the filename? |
| 22:29 | <Markie> | yea |
| 22:29 | <Markie> | the first time you pull you pthe data, it'll try to find it based on the filename. |
| 22:29 | <_shad> | nice |
| 22:29 | <Markie> | then it'll give oyu a choice if theres more than one result (usually is) |
| 22:30 | <_shad> | I pulled all my shit off of imdb |
| 22:30 | <Markie> | once you do it the first time, it'll store the direct imdb number |
| 22:30 | <_shad> | I'm about 300 movies behind though |
| 22:30 | <Markie> | i figure, instead of forcing people to do it in bulk..i.e. all the movies at a time. i'll just do it as you watch each movie |
| 22:30 | <Markie> | cause theres so many false hits.. |
| 22:31 | <_shad> | ya |
| 22:31 | <_shad> | good idea |
| 22:31 | <_shad> | I'll use mythvideo to watch my tv-rips |
| 22:33 | <Markie> | ok..i got the direcotory navigaiton working! yea! |
| 22:34 | <_shad> | hehe |
| 22:34 | <_shad> | 22:34:53 up 18 days, 21:50, 10 users, load average: 2.24, 1.93, 1.31 |
| 22:34 | <_shad> | my computer is crying |
| 22:34 | <_shad> | hehe |
| 22:45 | <mdz_> | Chutt: here now |
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| 22:47 | <Chutt> | i figured it out |
| 22:47 | <mdz_> | Chutt: did I break something? |
| 22:47 | <Chutt> | the recording settings was missing mpeg4scalebitrate, is all |
| 22:48 | <Chutt> | so it wasn't getting set |
| 22:48 | <Chutt> | and the recorder would crash trying to read that setting |
| 22:48 | <mdz_> | odd |
| 22:48 | <mdz_> | missing where? |
| 22:48 | <Chutt> | in the UI |
| 22:49 | <mdz_> | oh, scalebitrate |
| 22:49 | <mdz_> | yeah, oops |
| 22:49 | <mdz_> | I had it in my db so I didn't notice |
| 22:49 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 22:49 | <Chutt> | no big deal, i fixed it =) |
| 22:49 | <Chutt> | but i did check in my source tree |
| 22:49 | <mdz_> | I just updated my tree lots of Ps and Us |
| 22:49 | <Chutt> | so everything else is broken |
| 22:49 | <mdz_> | new libavcodec? |
| 22:49 | <Chutt> | no, not yet |
| 22:50 | <mdz_> | odd, cvs gave me a bunch of changes there |
| 22:50 | <Chutt> | well, partially |
| 22:50 | <ian2> | how do u change channel ordering in the epg? |
| 22:50 | <Chutt> | not the new stuff that breaks your direct rendering code |
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| 22:54 | <mdz_> | the video source config stuff basically needs selectors for the capturecard and videosource |
| 22:54 | <mdz_> | the rest is pretty much there |
| 22:54 | <Chutt> | neat |
| 22:54 | <mdz_> | it should be able to create all of that stuff |
| 22:54 | <mdz_> | but it needs a little thing like the recording profile selector so that the user can choose one |
| 22:55 | <mdz_> | which is why I asked about that earlier |
| 22:55 | <Chutt> | ah |
| 22:55 | <mdz_> | I think the one I threw together for recordingprofile sucks |
| 22:55 | <mdz_> | I was thinking maybe a button+list made more sense |
| 22:55 | <Chutt> | what's wrong with it? |
| 22:55 | <mdz_> | it has a list entry for (create new) |
| 22:56 | <mdz_> | I'd rather it had some explicit action for creating a new one, separate from the selection of an existing one |
| 22:56 | <Chutt> | could make a button, i guess |
| 22:56 | <mdz_> | I was trying to find an app which has an intuitive UI for a similar action |
| 22:57 | <mdz_> | I guess I can just generalize the silly one I have now |
| 22:57 | <mdz_> | I need it for at least those two other things |
| 22:58 | <mdz_> | It's going to be tough to test now that my tree is broken :-) |
| 22:59 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 22:59 | <mdz_> | anybody want to send me a spare capture card? |
| 22:59 | <Chutt> | i don't think live-tv's going to work for you anymore :( |
| 22:59 | <mdz_> | I won't cry over that one |
| 22:59 | <mdz_> | or are you talking about performance? |
| 22:59 | <Chutt> | at least, not capturing to a nfs mount |
| 22:59 | <Chutt> | oh, performance should be better, if anything |
| 22:59 | <mdz_> | really? how? |
| 22:59 | <Chutt> | the player and the decoder aren't mutually exclusive anymore |
| 23:00 | <Chutt> | mostly will help smp, though, of course |
| 23:00 | <Chutt> | err, decoder and encoder |
| 23:00 | <mdz_> | yeah, I don't think I was seeing too much contention |
| 23:01 | <mdz_> | so they run in separate processes now? |
| 23:01 | <Chutt> | yup |
| 23:01 | <Chutt> | playback of local files works |
| 23:01 | <Chutt> | remote and local live tv works |
| 23:01 | <Chutt> | but it has some strange issue with seeking |
| 23:01 | <Chutt> | that i haven't fixed yet |
| 23:01 | <mdz_> | hmm, where did the scheduler go? |
| 23:02 | <Chutt> | deleting doesn't work, but everything else in the frontend does still |
| 23:02 | <Chutt> | mythbackend |
| 23:02 | <mdz_> | oh, new directory? |
| 23:02 | <mdz_> | I didn't -d |
| 23:02 | <mdz_> | there it is |
| 23:02 | <Chutt> | ah, yeah |
| 23:03 | <Chutt> | i just wanted to check stuff in, because patches from other people were starting to pile up |
| 23:03 | <mdz_> | this is going to complicate the packaging :-) |
| 23:03 | <Chutt> | yeah, sorry |
| 23:03 | <Chutt> | i'll get it all worked out soonish |
| 23:03 | <mdz_> | I'll probably make a metapackage for the standalone setup |
| 23:03 | <mdz_> | which depends on both pieces |
| 23:03 | <_shad> | yea. apt-get install mythtv :) |
| 23:03 | <_shad> | You'll probably have to change the package names |
| 23:04 | <mdz_> | _shad: change? |
| 23:04 | <_shad> | mdz: what does the mythtv package contain right now? |
| 23:04 | <mdz_> | _shad: everything except libmyth |
| 23:05 | <_shad> | excluding mythweb, etc |
| 23:05 | <_shad> | in the case of kde, 'kde' is the metapackage |
| 23:05 | <_shad> | that depends on kdebase, kdelibs, etc |
| 23:06 | <_shad> | so would mythtv end up being the metapackage that depends on mythfrontend, and mythbackend? :) |
| 23:06 | <mdz_> | yes, most likely |
| 23:06 | <mdz_> | so that people who have mythtv installed right now don't send me lots of email |
| 23:06 | <_shad> | :) |
| 23:06 | <mdz_> | threatening to switch to gentoo and what not |
| 23:07 | <_shad> | haha |
| 23:08 | <_shad> | Geez. now I need to setup another computer |
| 23:10 | <mdz_> | Chutt: nice log message :-) |
| 23:10 | <mdz_> | this will take the heat off of my minor breakage |
| 23:10 | <Chutt> | i thought about threatening to turn off anon cvs access if anyone complained about it being broken |
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