| 00:00 | <matt_> | can someone tell me a really good capture card to get? |
| 00:00 | <matt_> | capture/tv turner |
| 00:00 | <Edgan> | DigDug: I don't do live tv. I just record and watch later. Yes, it is choppy ever few seconds. The video gets out of sync with itself and looks somewhat corrupted and the audio cuts out. |
| 00:01 | <Edgan> | DigDug: One way to workaround it better would be to get a dedicated encoder card. |
| 00:01 | <mdz_> | matt_: any card supported by the bttv driver should be fine |
| 00:01 | <devtrash> | mdz_: when I use /usr/bin/tv_grab_na I get |
| 00:01 | <devtrash> | mythsetup will now run /usr/bin/tv_grab_na --configure |
| 00:01 | <devtrash> | --------------- Start of XMLTV output --------------- |
| 00:01 | <devtrash> | Too many arguments for XMLTV::ZapListings::getProviders at /usr/bin/tv_grab_na line 640, near "$opt_debug)" |
| 00:01 | <DigDug> | Edgan: I'd hate to think my new P4 1.6Ghz won't handle it. |
| 00:01 | <matt_> | mdz_: i want a really good one though. :) |
| 00:02 | <mdz_> | devtrash: you now have two versions of xmltv installed, and are trying to use the grabber from one with the perl modules from another |
| 00:02 | <mutexer> | should I ditch the 1.3 for a 1700+ XP? |
| 00:02 | <Edgan> | DigDug: It will |
| 00:02 | <mdz_> | devtrash: if you're going to mix packaged software with non-packaged software, I can't help |
| 00:03 | <Edgan> | mutexer: My Athlon 1.33ghz can't handle it. My Athlon XP 1700+ aka 1.47ghz can |
| 00:03 | <mdz_> | matt_: get a really bttv one then |
| 00:03 | <matt_> | mdz_ ya, any sugestions? |
| 00:03 | <mutexer> | thx...I was wondering which one to get |
| 00:04 | <The_TiK> | (DigDug): i just use 320X240 |
| 00:04 | <mutexer> | only 7 bucks difference in price..heh |
| 00:04 | <mdz_> | mutexer: for 7 bucks it is a no brainer |
| 00:05 | <mutexer> | yeah I didnt realize that before |
| 00:05 | <Edgan> | I with mythtv would consistantly record sound. |
| 00:05 | <mdz_> | mutexer: the XP is significantly faster |
| 00:05 | <mutexer> | although the 1700+ has a crap motherboard..not like its gonna matter |
| 00:05 | <mutexer> | I dont need a AGP slot anyway |
| 00:05 | <Chutt> | consistantly record sound? |
| 00:06 | <Edgan> | Chutt: A third of the time a recorded program will have no sound |
| 00:06 | <Chutt> | that's not the fault of mythtv. |
| 00:06 | <Chutt> | there's absolutely no way it can be |
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| 00:07 | <mutexer> | MythTv is just an interface to other programs isnt it? |
| 00:07 | <Chutt> | uh, no |
| 00:07 | <DigDug> | I think I read in a doc that the Xv extention isn't supported on nVidia cards with TVOUT. Will this be a problem? Sounds like mythtv requires Xv. |
| 00:07 | <Chutt> | it's not |
| 00:07 | <Chutt> | digdug, no, you didn't read that in a doc |
| 00:08 | <matt_> | http://www.hauppauge.com/html/wintvpvr_datasheet.htm |
| 00:08 | <Edgan> | Chutt: I would think a bug could easily cause mythtv not to save the audio. |
| 00:08 | <matt_> | this one looks good. |
| 00:08 | <devtrash> | mdz_: fair enough |
| 00:08 | <Chutt> | edgan, nope. |
| 00:08 | <Chutt> | edgan, if it can't record audio, it doesn't record |
| 00:08 | <Chutt> | period |
| 00:09 | <Chutt> | now, if it's recording silence, that wouldn't be mythtv's fault |
| 00:09 | <DigDug> | Chutt: I didn't? In TVOUT_README in the NVIDIA_GLX-1.0 package: |
| 00:09 | <Chutt> | since it doesn't touch the mixer |
| 00:09 | <DigDug> | Please note that the XV extension is currently not supported on TV-Out. |
| 00:09 | <Edgan> | Chutt: Saying there can't be a bug in one of the half dozen steps of getting and saving audio is pretty arrogance. And it especially doesn't make sense that it does it off and on. |
| 00:09 | <Memorex> | hey, I just found info on adding 64mb to an xbox |
| 00:10 | <Memorex> | is 128mb enough? :P |
| 00:10 | <Chutt> | edgan, half dozen steps? |
| 00:10 | <Chutt> | you open the device |
| 00:10 | <Chutt> | and you read from it |
| 00:10 | <Chutt> | it's extremely simple. |
| 00:10 | <lichen_> | Edgan, flaky drivers perhaps? he writes the code i think he knows what can go wrong |
| 00:10 | <Chutt> | if anything goes wrong with it, it bails out |
| 00:10 | <Edgan> | lichen_: never hard a problem with the live card before |
| 00:10 | <Chutt> | with plenty of error messages =) |
| 00:11 | <lichen_> | who says its the live? the tuner drivers play a role in it too |
| 00:11 | <DigDug> | Anyone here use mythtv with nvidia TV-OUT? |
| 00:11 | <Chutt> | digdug, many people do |
| 00:12 | <DigDug> | Chutt: odd that the README says Xv isn't supported. |
| 00:12 | <Chutt> | digdug, it doesn't say anything like that in the current driver readme |
| 00:12 | <lichen_> | yeah, im not having much luck with my millenium g400 dh tv out, so im debating on either asking all my friends for a nvidia with tvout or getting a external scan converter |
| 00:13 | <DigDug> | Chutt: Hmm oh well maybe this is some old remnant file from an old version of the driver. The file is pretty old. |
| 00:13 | <devtrash> | make: *** No rule to make target `/mkspecs/linux-g++/qmake.conf', needed by `Makefile'. Stop. |
| 00:14 | <devtrash> | is that the qt thing? |
| 00:14 | <Chutt> | devtrash, that's covered in the readme, and the faq. |
| 00:14 | <Chutt> | and the howto on the website, i believe |
| 00:17 | <devtrash> | so how do I set the QTDIR? |
| 00:17 | <Chutt> | you've never set an environment variable before? |
| 00:17 | <Chutt> | what shell are you using? |
| 00:18 | <devtrash> | yes I have, and I have set it, and I still get that error |
| 00:18 | <devtrash> | BASH |
| 00:18 | <Chutt> | export QTDIR=/usr/share/qt |
| 00:19 | <Chutt> | you can't get that error message if you've got it set |
| 00:19 | <Chutt> | since the only way it'll print that is if QTDIR is empty |
| 00:21 | <devtrash> | QT 3 right? |
| 00:21 | <Chutt> | yup. |
| 00:21 | <Chutt> | unless you're missing -dev packages, of course |
| 00:21 | <devtrash> | hwo do I check qt version? |
| 00:22 | <Chutt> | but even then, it'll print something other than that path |
| 00:24 | <Chutt> | if you can't compile it, use the debs. |
| 00:24 | <Chutt> | that's what they're there for |
| 00:24 | <devtrash> | heh |
| 00:25 | <devtrash> | I just spent 3 hours fighting the debs |
| 00:25 | <Chutt> | of course, you managed to mess those up |
| 00:25 | <Chutt> | but still |
| 00:25 | <Chutt> | the debs work perfectly :p |
| 00:25 | <devtrash> | well I followed the directions.....I know how to run apt-get |
| 00:25 | <mdz_> | devtrash: the directions said to use the packaged xmltv, among other things |
| 00:26 | <devtrash> | which I used, the source xmltv I didn't grab til the end |
| 00:27 | * devtrash | should have known not to get something bleeding edge for debian |
| 00:28 | <mdz_> | what's bleeding edge? |
| 00:28 | <mdz_> | everything except mythmusic works fine on woody |
| 00:29 | <Chutt> | and that's only because some certain libraries feel the need to change function names between rc and 1.0 releases |
| 00:29 | <Chutt> | or something like that =) |
| 00:29 | <devtrash> | anything developed past 200 is bleeding edge for debian |
| 00:29 | <devtrash> | er 2000 |
| 00:30 | <Chutt> | i develop mythtv on debian |
| 00:30 | <Chutt> | so, stuff works fine |
| 00:31 | <mdz_> | there are as many people using mythtv on debian as anything else, it works |
| 00:31 | * devtrash | is using debian testing |
| 00:34 | <devtrash> | oh well I'll give it a whirl tomorrow, the VHS tapes aren't going anywhere quite yet |
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| 00:34 | <mutexer> | would anyone happen to know how to setup a second videocard (1st card is Geforce 4MX, second card is ATI ALL INWONDER 128Pro) in linux? or maybe point me to a howto somewhere? |
| 00:34 | <mdz_> | Chutt: what's the Qt widget which gives a basic dialog with OK and cancel and a place to draw other stuff? |
| 00:35 | <mdz_> | I thought QDialog would be that, but it has no standard buttons |
| 00:35 | <Chutt> | i'd extend your own dialog widget |
| 00:35 | <Chutt> | if you wanted to do that |
| 00:35 | <mdz_> | bah |
| 00:35 | <Chutt> | try the qmessagebox |
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| 00:38 | <mdz_> | just need to get my checkbox working right, and I'll be committing the first cut at the GUIfied settings.txt |
| 00:38 | <Chutt> | cool |
| 00:38 | <Chutt> | i haven't updated my tree to yours yet =) |
| 00:39 | <mdz_> | it's not setting the initial state of the checkbox correctly, dunno why |
| 00:39 | <mdz_> | I'm going to commit anyway, it doesn't break anything and folks can get a look at it |
| 00:39 | <mdz_> | I haven't changed things to use the db settings yet, it's just for show |
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| 00:41 | <DigDug> | mutexer: You should be able to set it up using Xinerama. Or try maintaining two XConfig files each referencing a different PCI BusID |
| 00:42 | <DigDug> | mutexer: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Xinerama-HOWTO/index.html |
| 00:43 | <DigDug> | mutexer: Are you going to have one card dedicated to TVOUT and one for your desktop? |
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| 00:48 | <mdz_> | Chutt: ok, that stuff's committed if you want to take a look |
| 00:48 | <mdz_> | bedtime |
| 00:48 | <Chutt> | cool |
| 00:48 | <Chutt> | i will |
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| 01:35 | <Chutt> | mdz, the check boxes default values work for me, it seems.. least, the deinterlace one shows up as checked, and the other two don't |
| 01:35 | <Chutt> | comboboxes don't seem to have a label, though |
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| 01:42 | <Chutt> | stuff looks good, other than the silly debian defaults =) |
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| 02:58 | <mithro> | ello, anyone alive in here? |
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| 03:21 | <moegreen> | barely |
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| 04:57 | <knight__> | hey hey |
| 04:58 | <knight__> | any ability to run mythtv without X? |
| 05:31 | <nevertheless> | Chutt: i hope, you read this, you better wait applying the quit stuff, since I probably have to change smth due to a new motherboard, so I think I will go away from nvram-wakeup and make a general sollution, so that everybody can have their own scrips to set the wakeuptime and the rebootstuff |
| 05:31 | <nevertheless> | Chutt: sorry about that |
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| 07:14 | <karjala> | Hi. Now with ATI having drivers for Linux, does this mean the ATI All in Wonder cards are usable on mythtv? |
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| 07:53 | <Droogz> | hello |
| 07:53 | <Droogz> | anyone home? |
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| 09:41 | <mdz> | Chutt: yeah, I fixed the checkbox thing before I checked it in |
| 09:42 | <mdz> | Chutt: I was comparing a value to true instead of "true"...that's two mismatched comparison bugs in two days for me |
| 09:42 | <mdz> | Chutt: I thought sure gcc warned about those cases (one was object* == int, and the other was QString == bool) |
| 09:42 | <mdz> | but I never got any warnings |
| 09:48 | <mdz> | in the object* == int case, I was comparing the pointer to -1, which is obviously silly and should have generated a warning |
| 09:55 | <mdz> | I have no idea how the QString thing compiled |
| 09:55 | <mdz> | maybe g++ boiled it down to a pointer == int |
| 10:51 | <mithro> | anyone alive in here? |
| 10:51 | <Kyzoku> | I am |
| 10:52 | <mithro> | i'm having trouble with mythTV, i get "invalid argument" errors when running mythtv |
| 10:52 | <lichen> | you just run "mythfrontend" and it gives you invalid argument e rrors? |
| 10:53 | <mithro> | no |
| 10:54 | <mithro> | when the front end calls mythtv it does nothing and just displays "VIDEO<something>: invalid argument" |
| 10:55 | <mithro> | i think the <something> is "IOSYNC" but i'm not sure because i'm not in front of that computer ATM |
| 10:56 | <lichen> | can you watch tv with xawtv? |
| 10:56 | <mithro> | yeah |
| 10:57 | <mithro> | i have a ATI Radeon VIVO, i've finally found drivers for it which include mmap V4L support, which in theory should make mythTV work... |
| 10:59 | <lichen> | yeahh... i honestly dont know why it would be saying that, the best i could think to do is send a mail to the mailing list describing your situation |
| 10:59 | <mithro> | yeah i'll do that tommorrow |
| 10:59 | <mithro> | mythTV looks uber cool, just needs an intergrated DVD player |
| 11:01 | <mithro> | mythTV is the only v4L program i have found which doesn't like the new ATI VIVO drivers |
| 11:01 | <mithro> | (but then i've only tested like 3) |
| 11:08 | <mithro> | anyway i'm off to bed |
| 11:08 | <mithro> | it's like 2:40am here |
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| 11:23 | <lichen> | http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.gsp?product_id=2009643&cat=3951&type=19&dept=3944&path=0%3A3944%3A3951 |
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| 13:32 | <Chutt> | mdz, nice response to the sdl guy |
| 13:32 | <vektor> | sdl guy? |
| 13:32 | <Chutt> | lemme find a quote |
| 13:32 | <Chutt> | it's not a sdl developer, just some kid |
| 13:32 | * vektor | can't wait |
| 13:33 | <vektor> | oooh ok ;) |
| 13:33 | <vektor> | i still want a quote :) |
| 13:34 | <Chutt> | "Why are we limited to Qt. Why was Qt used in the first place, because of a knowledge base of it. If that is the case SDL still should have been used becasue SDL kicks ass and it is so so so so so so so so so easy to learn and use. Just wondering!!!!" |
| 13:34 | <Chutt> | i think i got the right number of 'so's in there |
| 13:35 | <mdz> | Chutt: not enough !!!!!!! |
| 13:35 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 13:35 | <Chutt> | "Why is a widget set need, and anyways SDL_gui handles that if needed!!!" |
| 13:35 | <mdz> | I used to have a simplistic program to calculate a bogosity factor for emails like that |
| 13:35 | <Chutt> | when i asked since when sdl was a widget set =) |
| 13:35 | <mdz> | ratio of quoted text, ratio of punctuation to letters |
| 13:36 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 13:36 | <mdz> | number of forwarded message headers (that was a good one) |
| 13:37 | <mdz> | Chutt: so how do we go about making it so that it is actually possible to navigate these settings dialogs? |
| 13:37 | <Chutt> | well, let's see |
| 13:37 | <Chutt> | what widgets? |
| 13:37 | <mdz> | remap left/right to shift-tab/tab maybe |
| 13:37 | <Chutt> | combo boxes |
| 13:37 | <Chutt> | edit boxes |
| 13:37 | <Chutt> | check boxes |
| 13:37 | <Chutt> | anything else? |
| 13:38 | <mdz> | the sliders work OK |
| 13:38 | <mdz> | dunno about the check boxes |
| 13:38 | <Chutt> | check boxes won't |
| 13:38 | <mdz> | the combo boxes and edit boxes are black holes from which no focus can escape |
| 13:38 | <Chutt> | edit boxes are easy to make work with up/down |
| 13:38 | <Chutt> | err, check boxes work |
| 13:38 | <Chutt> | i've got an edit box in mythmusic's ripper screen that overrides the up/down action |
| 13:38 | <Chutt> | combo boxes, though, will need something similar |
| 13:39 | <Chutt> | up/down should leave focus normally |
| 13:39 | <Chutt> | space/enter should open up the selection |
| 13:39 | <Chutt> | and while it's open, up/down should leave the selection |
| 13:39 | <Chutt> | err, up/down should select stuff =) |
| 13:39 | <mdz> | and left/right should move you to another widget? |
| 13:40 | <Chutt> | i dunno, i guess |
| 13:40 | <Chutt> | i was just thinking up/down should work everywhere |
| 13:40 | <mdz> | unless the combo box is open :-) |
| 13:40 | <Chutt> | heh, right |
| 13:40 | <Chutt> | but i'm not sure how left/right will work in an edit box |
| 13:40 | <mdz> | I thought left/right rather than up/down because the spin boxes work intuitively with up/down |
| 13:40 | <Chutt> | since you kinda want to be able to edit it |
| 13:40 | <mdz> | but then, the sliders work intuitively with left/right |
| 13:41 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 13:41 | <Chutt> | so i think it should just be up/down |
| 13:41 | <Chutt> | i |
| 13:41 | <Chutt> | erk. |
| 13:41 | <Chutt> | i'll see how hard it'll be to modify the combo boxes to act like that |
| 13:42 | <mdz> | could always make them into something else if that's easier |
| 13:42 | <Chutt> | naw, i think combo boxes work for this |
| 13:42 | <Chutt> | oh, do we have any spin boxes? |
| 13:42 | <mdz> | there's only one thing which uses both edit and drop down in the combo box |
| 13:43 | <mdz> | yeah, there are a bunch of spin boxes |
| 13:43 | <Chutt> | hrm |
| 13:43 | <Chutt> | well, left/right for those =) |
| 13:43 | <mdz> | for settings which are not important enough to have a big old slider |
| 13:43 | <mdz> | like the advanced codec settings |
| 13:43 | <Chutt> | up/down to leave em |
| 13:43 | <mdz> | or where there is not such a clear range |
| 13:43 | <Chutt> | biggest thing is to just be consistent |
| 13:43 | <mdz> | right |
| 13:43 | <mdz> | now that I think about it, left/right to change the spin boxes isn't so bad |
| 13:44 | <mdz> | though up/down works better for the combo box |
| 13:44 | <Chutt> | well, up/down should work if you've got the thing open |
| 13:44 | <Chutt> | can make l/r work anytime, though |
| 13:44 | <Chutt> | so, know of any sourceforge alternatives that don't suck? |
| 13:45 | <mdz> | spin boxes are better with up/down, combo boxes better with up/down, sliders better with left/right, edit boxes better with up/down |
| 13:45 | <mdz> | er, edit boxes are better with left/right |
| 13:45 | <mdz> | sourceforge alternatives as in different interface, or same interface with different hosting and management? |
| 13:45 | <Chutt> | i think i'm ready to dump the website elsewhere |
| 13:46 | <Chutt> | still keep cvs local, though |
| 13:46 | <mdz> | just CVS and static web, then? |
| 13:46 | <mdz> | oh |
| 13:46 | <mdz> | so basically just a website :-) |
| 13:46 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 13:46 | <Chutt> | with a db installed |
| 13:46 | <mdz> | I could host it on dijkstra probabyl |
| 13:46 | <mdz> | probably |
| 13:46 | <Chutt> | i've had a few offers from people |
| 13:46 | <Chutt> | but, no-one i've spoken with before |
| 13:46 | <Chutt> | and that's iffy |
| 13:47 | <Chutt> | it's about 100MB a day or so |
| 13:47 | <Chutt> | which isn't counting the screenshots which i offloaded to sf, of course =) |
| 13:47 | <mdz> | does the sf setup really suck that much? |
| 13:48 | <paperclip> | is sf going out of buisness or somethng? |
| 13:48 | <mdz> | I've never used the web bit |
| 13:48 | <mdz> | does it update from a CVS module? |
| 13:48 | <Chutt> | http://ijr.dnsalias.org/mythlogs/usage_200212.html |
| 13:48 | <Chutt> | i think it can be static |
| 13:49 | <Chutt> | i don't like sf's download stuff |
| 13:49 | <mdz> | lots of viewcvs |
| 13:49 | <Chutt> | or their mailing list stuff |
| 13:49 | <Chutt> | or anything =) |
| 13:49 | <mdz> | do they get mad if you just drop files in the web area for download? |
| 13:49 | <paperclip> | heh |
| 13:49 | <Chutt> | i dunno |
| 13:49 | <Chutt> | but you only get 10MB |
| 13:49 | <mdz> | ah |
| 13:49 | <Chutt> | i'm using a good chunk of that for screenshots |
| 13:49 | <mdz> | so there's incentive to use the shitty download system :-) |
| 13:50 | <Chutt> | right |
| 13:50 | <mdz> | don't get me wrong, I'm all for mirroring and all that |
| 13:50 | <mdz> | but the UI is awful |
| 13:50 | <paperclip> | they want to keep stats for the rankings.. |
| 13:50 | <Chutt> | and sf's stats they provide you suck |
| 13:50 | <Chutt> | 'hits' 'downloads' |
| 13:50 | <Chutt> | basically |
| 13:52 | <mdz> | dijkstra is hosted where I can do what I want with it as long as it is non-commercial and does not attract undue attention |
| 13:52 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 13:53 | <mdz> | so 100MB a day is no problem |
| 13:53 | <paperclip> | on your cable modem? =) |
| 13:53 | <mdz> | paperclip: no |
| 13:53 | <Chutt> | well, i'm assuming it's going to be getting more attention as time goes by |
| 13:53 | <paperclip> | that was a joke.. |
| 13:53 | <mdz> | it would need to be a lot in order to qualify as undue |
| 13:54 | <mdz> | like sustained megabits |
| 13:54 | <Chutt> | well |
| 13:54 | <Chutt> | this _will_ be making the main page of /. someday |
| 13:55 | <Chutt> | and there would've been more traffic last night if my dsl could keep up with it |
| 13:55 | <Chutt> | so, i dunno |
| 13:55 | <mdz> | well, slashdot is a lot of hits, but not a lot of bytes |
| 13:55 | <mdz> | a lot of MSIE fetching HTML pages, in my experience |
| 13:55 | <Chutt> | i got a number of irate emails about the download speed being 66 bytes/sec |
| 13:55 | <paperclip> | heh |
| 13:55 | <Universe> | lol |
| 13:56 | <paperclip> | i saw that the "homebrew pvr" guy linked you.. |
| 13:56 | <Chutt> | paperclip, yeah |
| 13:56 | <Chutt> | and it was mentioned in the comments several times |
| 13:56 | <paperclip> | that's funny as hell since myth eclipses his stuff in a big way.. |
| 13:56 | <paperclip> | i didn't read the whole thing.. =) |
| 13:56 | <Universe> | his stuff is nothing like mythtv... |
| 13:57 | <Chutt> | mdz, if you think you can, that'd probably be what i'd be most comfortable with |
| 13:57 | <Universe> | its in a different solar system |
| 13:57 | <paperclip> | yeah.. using a pentium |
| 13:57 | <mdz> | Chutt: do you need viewcvs too? |
| 13:57 | <mdz> | the only thing about that machine is that it hasn't much CPU |
| 13:57 | <Chutt> | it'd be nice, but that can link back to my box |
| 13:57 | <mdz> | It's a PII-400 |
| 13:58 | <Chutt> | heh, mythtv.org is a celery 533 |
| 13:58 | <mdz> | that must be why CVS is so slow :-P |
| 13:58 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 13:59 | <Chutt> | it's slow because of the data going back and forth |
| 13:59 | <mdz> | if it's just the bandwidth, I could mirror the tarball |
| 13:59 | <Chutt> | local stuff is fast |
| 13:59 | <mdz> | I had to use -z9 last night to get anything done |
| 13:59 | <Chutt> | hrm |
| 13:59 | <Chutt> | yeah, z9 would be using more cpu |
| 14:00 | <mdz> | would probably be slower except for the fact that it was probably getting 66 bytes/sec |
| 14:00 | <Chutt> | how 'bout offloading the downloads for now? |
| 14:00 | <mdz> | ok, we'll see how that goes |
| 14:00 | <mdz> | do you need an interactive login, or just sftp or such? |
| 14:00 | <Chutt> | hrm |
| 14:01 | <Chutt> | doesn't really matter to me |
| 14:01 | <Chutt> | hrm |
| 14:01 | <Chutt> | the downloads are only 1/3 of the traffic this month |
| 14:01 | <mdz> | that's surprising |
| 14:02 | <mdz> | wow, lots of viewcvs tarballs |
| 14:02 | <Chutt> | yeah, silly people |
| 14:02 | <mdz> | I'd disable that "feature" :-) |
| 14:03 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 14:03 | <Chutt> | it's nice, though |
| 14:03 | <Chutt> | bah, i dunno |
| 14:03 | <Chutt> | i should just get a colo somewhere |
| 14:04 | <mdz> | sounds like you need mod_gzip then |
| 14:05 | <Chutt> | i wonder how much that'd help |
| 14:05 | <mdz> | if it's a lot of HTML, it'd help a lot |
| 14:05 | <mdz> | we use it in our web application here |
| 14:05 | <mdz> | well, not mod_gzip, content-transfer-encoding |
| 14:06 | <Chutt> | gzipping the index.html goes from 19kb to 7kb |
| 14:06 | <mdz> | wait a minute |
| 14:06 | <mdz> | the Kbytes column doesn't come close to 100% |
| 14:07 | <Chutt> | for which month? |
| 14:07 | <mdz> | december, the one you pasted |
| 14:07 | <Chutt> | december? |
| 14:07 | <Chutt> | which section? |
| 14:07 | <mdz> | I was looking at the top 10 |
| 14:07 | <Chutt> | well, it's only the top 10 =) |
| 14:07 | <mdz> | oh, / is / itself, not stuff under / |
| 14:08 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 14:09 | <mdz> | you could just move the tarballs to sourceforge :-) |
| 14:10 | <paperclip> | doesn't ibiblio mirror stuff just for asking? |
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| 14:10 | <Chutt> | i don't really want a mirror |
| 14:10 | <paperclip> | ahh |
| 14:10 | <mdz> | tarball downloads + viewcvs snapshots is half your bandwidth at least |
| 14:11 | <Chutt> | i want a box i have control over on a faster connection =) |
| 14:11 | <mdz> | dijkstra is behind dual OC-3 |
| 14:11 | <Chutt> | heh, i'd hope so, with that address =) |
| 14:11 | <mdz> | but they're full of peer-to-peer noise |
| 14:11 | <mdz> | http://www.rit.edu/network/mrtg-inet/internet1.html |
| 14:11 | <Chutt> | i remember living on an oc3 :( |
| 14:12 | <Chutt> | long long ago |
| 14:12 | <Chutt> | had ATM to the desktop, so it was an oc3 =) |
| 14:22 | <Chutt> | hrm |
| 14:25 | <lichen> | you guys are talking about hosting stuff |
| 14:25 | <lichen> | are you in need? |
| 14:25 | <Chutt> | thinking about it, yeah |
| 14:25 | <lichen> | i have a box with more bandwidth than god |
| 14:25 | <lichen> | and could probably hook something up if necessary |
| 14:25 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 14:26 | <lichen> | no you think im joking, its like directly on the backbone to the internet :) |
| 14:26 | lichen | lichen_ Dec 05 14:26:46 <lichen> well okay, its not uunet, but its hosted in one of the verio datacenters, multiple oc48's, oc12's, oc3, tons and tons of available bandwidth |
| 14:27 | * paperclip | thinks you are joking |
| 14:27 | <lichen> | i host my shoutcast radio off it too, http://exocet.no-life.com/listen.pls |
| 14:27 | <lichen> | think what you like i guess :-/ |
| 14:28 | <Chutt> | i don't have anything that'll play that right now |
| 14:28 | <lichen> | but im serious, if you really need something, i bet i could work something out, this machine could take a slashdotting and keep on pushing data |
| 14:28 | <lichen> | its alright, it probably wouldn't be your type of music anyhow ;) (sorry for assuming, but i bet its not :)) |
| 14:29 | <Chutt> | just need webspace, room for some downloads |
| 14:29 | <Chutt> | some log stuff =) |
| 14:29 | <Chutt> | and maybe mysql or whatnot installed on it |
| 14:29 | <Chutt> | i dunno what that guy that said he's going to work on a new website will want |
| 14:30 | <mdz> | didn't he say PHP? |
| 14:30 | <Chutt> | yeah, i think so |
| 14:30 | <mdz> | or was that someone else who volunteered and never did it? |
| 14:30 | <Chutt> | i really don't care what he uses, as long as i can update it |
| 14:30 | <Chutt> | naw, the guy a few days ago |
| 14:30 | <lichen> | the machine is fbsd, it has php, mysql, etc. |
| 14:31 | <Chutt> | that'd work, then |
| 14:31 | <Chutt> | =) |
| 14:31 | <lichen> | alright, well if it becomes necessary, lemme know :) |
| 14:32 | <Chutt> | my dsl's saturated right now |
| 14:32 | <lichen> | yeah, i run http://exocet.no-life.com off my cable... holds up well, but i doubt it could take the amount of traffic mythtv.org is gonna start getting |
| 14:35 | <Chutt> | ok, thanks |
| 14:35 | <Chutt> | i'll think 'bout stuff |
| 14:35 | <lichen> | cool, just lemme know |
| 14:35 | <Chutt> | i just really like having everything on my own box =) |
| 14:36 | <QSECOFR> | i've an almost empty t1 i could host a download mirror also. |
| 14:36 | <lichen> | oh yeah, i dont blame you, i pass up hosting stuff on that box just to have it been on a box i have full control over, but the bandwidth is just insane |
| 14:36 | <lichen> | heck if nothing else, i could just host some downloads or something on it |
| 14:36 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 14:36 | <lichen> | i haven't seen thor around either :-/ |
| 14:36 | <Chutt> | well, if i move some stuff, i might as well just move most of it |
| 14:36 | <Chutt> | nope |
| 14:36 | <Chutt> | if he doesn't show up, i'll get your stuff in this weekend |
| 14:37 | <lichen> | before you apply that patch though, i got a more recent diff you might want... much cleaner and more configurable program listing |
| 14:37 | <Chutt> | sure |
| 14:37 | <Chutt> | send it whenever you're ready with things |
| 14:37 | <lichen> | okay |
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| 15:10 | <QSECOFR> | any plans to add dvd ripping/archiving abilities? |
| 15:10 | <Chutt> | i don't plan on doing it, but some other people have mentioned they'd like to |
| 15:11 | <Chutt> | if that'll happen or not, i dunno =) |
| 15:11 | <QSECOFR> | nod |
| 15:12 | <mdz> | if the reencoding stuff gets done, I might add the extra bits to do DVD extraction |
| 15:12 | <Chutt> | i'd kinda like to have the ability to just copy the dvd directly to the harddrive, with no recompression |
| 15:13 | <QSECOFR> | i dont wanna lose much quality, but i'd like to be able to make a movie jukebox of 60 dvd's or so.. |
| 15:14 | <Chutt> | dvd support would have to be able to pull down coverart and stuff from the net =) |
| 15:14 | <Universe> | heh |
| 15:15 | <Chutt> | i want to make the music stuff pull coverart / artist pics off of allmusic |
| 15:22 | <lichen> | allmusic > * |
| 15:23 | <lichen> | hmm, i need a pptp client for linux |
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| 15:33 | <DigDug> | I haven't actually gotten all the hardware in yet so I can't install muthtv, but I was wondering, how would I go about running MythTV in one half of an nVidia Twinview setup? I guess its not like Xinierama where the X server knows one desktop from the other. For the most part, X is unaware that its two different screens. |
| 15:37 | <Chutt> | you're on your own for that |
| 15:37 | <Chutt> | everything's designed to run on a dedicated machine |
| 15:37 | <DigDug> | Hehe, ok. |
| 15:37 | <Universe> | as is DigDug... |
| 15:37 | <Universe> | it spreads across the 2 screens |
| 15:39 | <Universe> | you can hit F and make the playback/live TV be in a window instead of fullscreen |
| 15:39 | <Universe> | but if you are using a res of 480x480, the aspect ratios will be messed up |
| 15:39 | <DigDug> | Hmm, and I can turn off the Windowmaker border for the app. |
| 15:41 | <DigDug> | I was told on an nVidia discussion forum that xine can be made to run fullscreen in the TVOUT half. It must be possible to run mythtvfrondend in a similar way. |
| 15:41 | <DigDug> | ...with a bit of hacking I recond. |
| 15:41 | <DigDug> | err reckon |
| 15:42 | <Chutt> | probably |
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| 15:48 | <DigDug> | mythtvfrontend does all the decoding and stuff. It doesn't call any external programs, correct? |
| 15:49 | <Chutt> | right |
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| 16:25 | <devtrash> | hi guys |
| 16:25 | <devtrash> | I have a question |
| 16:26 | <devtrash> | when compiling I get this: |
| 16:28 | <devtrash> | make[2]: g++: Command not found |
| 16:29 | <devtrash> | yet it compiles fine til it gets to that part |
| 16:29 | <mdz> | devtrash: give up |
| 16:29 | <Chutt> | hah |
| 16:29 | <devtrash> | for example: -I../.. -I/usr/share/qt/include -I/usr/share/qt/mkspecs/linux-g++ -o i386/dsputil_mmx.o i386/dsputil_mmx.c |
| 16:30 | <devtrash> | give it up? why? |
| 16:30 | <Chutt> | devtrash, so install g++ |
| 16:30 | <mdz> | devtrash: you don't have a C++ compiler installed |
| 16:30 | <devtrash> | g++ is installed |
| 16:30 | <Chutt> | if it can't find g++, then g++ is not installed. |
| 16:30 | <mdz> | nope |
| 16:30 | <devtrash> | but it found it for the fiels before it |
| 16:30 | <Chutt> | err |
| 16:30 | <Chutt> | look at those files |
| 16:30 | <Chutt> | you'll notice they're being compiled by gcc |
| 16:31 | <Chutt> | since they're c, not c++ |
| 16:31 | <devtrash> | but when it gets to here: make[2]: Entering directory `/home/spatz/mythtv-0.6/libs/libmyth' |
| 16:31 | <DigDug> | type 'which g++'\ |
| 16:31 | <DigDug> | with no \ at the end |
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| 16:31 | <devtrash> | blah nevermind.... |
| 16:32 | * uncrfe | has a question about mythTV |
| 16:32 | <devtrash> | heh goodluck |
| 16:32 | <uncrfe> | heh |
| 16:32 | <uncrfe> | I've been reading thru the info |
| 16:33 | <uncrfe> | and I'm not clear on whether it is meant to be used on a monitor |
| 16:33 | <DigDug> | devrash: why aren't you using the debs? |
| 16:33 | <Chutt> | works on either |
| 16:33 | <uncrfe> | or on something like a video card with tv out |
| 16:33 | <Chutt> | digdug, he messed them up |
| 16:33 | <Chutt> | digdug, managed to get it half installed, without xmltv being installed |
| 16:34 | <devtrash> | digdug: I followed the instructions yet I messed them up beyond belief |
| 16:34 | <Chutt> | uncrfe, doesn't really matter what it's displayed on |
| 16:34 | <DigDug> | devtrash: is your whole dpkg system messed up? |
| 16:34 | <devtrash> | Chutt: XMLTV was in my sources.list so I can't see how that happened |
| 16:34 | <devtrash> | digdug: I'd say yeah |
| 16:34 | <Chutt> | probably because xmltv is in debian now |
| 16:34 | <Chutt> | and doesn't need a separate source |
| 16:34 | <uncrfe> | Chutt: so whatever I have my system set up to use as a head, it'll handle? |
| 16:34 | <devtrash> | but installing the qt-dev deb fixed my mkspecs problem |
| 16:35 | <Chutt> | uncrfe, yup |
| 16:35 | <uncrfe> | Chutt: sounds good.....the spare machine will soon be converted. Thanks for the information. |
| 16:35 | <uncrfe> | :) |
| 16:35 | <devtrash> | Chutt: then that instruction needs removed from the debs section then |
| 16:36 | <Chutt> | you're using woody? |
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| 16:36 | * devtrash | uses testing, not sure what codename that is |
| 16:37 | <Chutt> | anyway. |
| 16:37 | <mdz> | umm, that information about the xmltv debs has been on the web page for weeks |
| 16:37 | <mdz> | I put it there a few minutes after I uploaded the packages to unstable |
| 16:38 | <mdz> | XMLTV |
| 16:38 | <mdz> | This repository contains woody backports of XMLTV and its dependencies, available using this sources.list entry: |
| 16:38 | <mdz> | deb http://dijkstra.csh.rit.edu:8088/~mdz/debian woody xmltv |
| 16:38 | <mdz> | At the time of this writing (2002/11/17), official XMLTV packages are available in Debian unstable. If you are running unstable, you should use those packages instead. |
| 16:39 | <DigDug> | Is it possible to separate the recording sceduling from the frontend? Or does the frontend actually the the recording? |
| 16:39 | <DigDug> | err actually do the recording... |
| 16:39 | <Chutt> | the frontend currently does the recording |
| 16:39 | <devtrash> | mdz: does unstable also mean testing? |
| 16:39 | <Chutt> | it's not going to be that way for much longer, though |
| 16:40 | <DigDug> | Cool. |
| 16:41 | <DigDug> | I wonder how hard it woudl be to make MythTV Xinerama aware like xine is. |
| 16:41 | <Chutt> | probably not very |
| 16:42 | <DigDug> | Unfortunately, I don't do C++ :( |
| 16:43 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 16:43 | <Chutt> | well, it's not that hard |
| 16:43 | <DigDug> | Well, i know C and Java, maybe I could figure something out :) |
| 16:43 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 16:43 | <Chutt> | if you know c, you should be able to figure out what's going on easily |
| 16:44 | <moegreen> | Java will help as well |
| 16:46 | <Chutt> | well, all the video window setup stuff is pretty much just c |
| 16:47 | <DigDug> | Is all that done in the frontend part? |
| 16:49 | <Chutt> | well, the video window is setup in libs/libNuppelVideo/XJ.cpp |
| 16:53 | <mdz> | devtrash: unstable and testing are different, with some overlap |
| 16:53 | <vektor> | there's nice xinerama code in tvtime now |
| 16:53 | <devtrash> | mdz: ok |
| 16:53 | <vektor> | you can take that |
| 16:53 | <vektor> | i got it from ogle |
| 16:53 | <mdz> | devtrash: in this case, it means unstable, because xmltv is in unstable and NOT in testing |
| 16:55 | <Chutt> | mdz, the direct rendering stuff in libavcodec just changed a bunch |
| 16:55 | <DigDug> | vektor: it allows one to run fullscreen in a specific screen? |
| 16:56 | <vektor> | i think so, i don't have xinerama set up. ;) |
| 16:57 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 16:57 | <Chutt> | yeah, i've just been waiting for someone with xinerama to send a patch, really |
| 16:57 | <Chutt> | i don't like adding support for something i can't test |
| 16:57 | <vektor> | Chutt: me too kinda. |
| 16:57 | <vektor> | like, I honestly don't know what we do with xinerama, I just know that I added the configure checks and that things compile and stuff ;-) |
| 16:57 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 16:58 | <DigDug> | Well, i will see what I can do. But I won't lie to you, I have very little experience with X programming. |
| 16:58 | <vektor> | Xinerama sucks in a few ways btw |
| 16:58 | <Chutt> | accel, for one |
| 16:58 | <vektor> | one thing we're kinda ticked about is that there's no way to query the physical geometry of the two screens |
| 16:58 | <vektor> | like, you can't tell if one head is 16:9 and the other is 4:3 |
| 16:58 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 16:59 | <vektor> | also, since it does just double events, Xinerama is inefficient |
| 16:59 | <Chutt> | you'll get dead space if the two screens are different resolutions |
| 16:59 | <Chutt> | iirc |
| 16:59 | <vektor> | oh? |
| 16:59 | <mdz> | Chutt: well great |
| 16:59 | <mdz> | Chutt: changed as in, makes sense now? |
| 16:59 | <vektor> | well it's also difficult for apps which try to be pixel aspect correct |
| 16:59 | <Chutt> | i dunno |
| 16:59 | <mdz> | Chutt: or as in, needs to be guessed again? |
| 16:59 | <vektor> | since you can have different pixel aspect ratios on the two screens |
| 16:59 | <Chutt> | needs to be guessed again, i think |
| 16:59 | <Chutt> | haven't really looked at it yet |
| 17:00 | <Chutt> | vektor, true |
| 17:00 | <vektor> | this is why i just love 'x2x' ;-) |
| 17:00 | <vektor> | or even better, dual head with different screens |
| 17:00 | <vektor> | well, x2x is better :) |
| 17:00 | <Chutt> | i used xinerama for awhile |
| 17:00 | <Chutt> | then i moved to just dual head |
| 17:01 | <Chutt> | then i decided it all was silly, and just used one monitor per machine =) |
| 17:01 | <vektor> | do you use x2x? |
| 17:01 | <DigDug> | Chutt: you mean to separate instances of X? |
| 17:01 | <vektor> | DigDug: no, dual head but no xinerama. xinerama is a big hack. |
| 17:01 | <vektor> | at least that's what i think he meant |
| 17:01 | <Chutt> | right |
| 17:02 | <devtrash> | will I see much sound quality difference between 32000 and 44100? |
| 17:02 | <Chutt> | nope |
| 17:02 | <devtrash> | ok |
| 17:02 | <Chutt> | won't hear much, either |
| 17:02 | <Chutt> | :p |
| 17:03 | <Chutt> | 32000 uses a bit less cpu to encode to mp3 as well |
| 17:04 | <Chutt> | tv audio's fairly bad, anyway |
| 17:04 | <vektor> | Chutt: unless you're getting audio from a satellite receiver |
| 17:04 | <vektor> | or a dvd player |
| 17:04 | <vektor> | or ... |
| 17:04 | <Chutt> | yup |
| 17:04 | <vektor> | You mean 'broadcast television audio is pretty bad'. |
| 17:04 | <Chutt> | which is what most people are using mythtv with :p |
| 17:05 | <vektor> | Fine, I'll quit being a picky loser. :) |
| 17:05 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 17:05 | <devtrash> | actually I am getting audio from my DISH sat. |
| 17:05 | <devtrash> | but I am looking to make VCDs anyway |
| 17:05 | <Chutt> | you really won't notice much of a difference |
| 17:06 | * devtrash | nods |
| 17:09 | <DigDug> | When MythTV does fullscreen, does it use the current physical resolution, the virtual resolution, or does it try to set its own resolution? |
| 17:10 | <Chutt> | virtual, i believe |
| 17:10 | <vektor> | yeah, we have some neat code to handle that in tvtime now |
| 17:10 | <vektor> | we go fullscreen to the current resolution |
| 17:10 | <Chutt> | i need to mess with some of the scaling stuff in mythtv |
| 17:10 | <vektor> | again, we got it from ogle, and it's very easy to just throw it into your app i bet |
| 17:10 | <vektor> | you could even just switch to using our xv output layer |
| 17:10 | <vektor> | it's pretty simple |
| 17:10 | <Chutt> | yeah, probably |
| 17:11 | <Chutt> | current cvs? |
| 17:11 | <vektor> | then we could share these nice fixes |
| 17:11 | <paperclip> | devtrash: did you get the ir transmitter for dish? |
| 17:11 | <vektor> | yes, in tvtime, display.[h,c], wm_state.[h,c] and xvoutput.c |
| 17:12 | <DigDug> | Doesn't mythtv already use Xv? |
| 17:12 | <vektor> | i should do a header file for it but... you really want to just take a quick look at outputapi.h |
| 17:12 | <vektor> | DigDug: yeah but he's using some crap code he stole from some other app :) |
| 17:12 | <vektor> | rather than nice pretty code done by me :) |
| 17:12 | <vektor> | ok i lie, my code is kinda stolen from a bunch of places too :) |
| 17:12 | <DigDug> | libNippleSuck or whatever it is? |
| 17:13 | <Chutt> | well, it's crap i took from nuppelvideo then coverted to xv |
| 17:13 | <DigDug> | Sorry, thats NuppleVideo |
| 17:13 | <DigDug> | :) |
| 17:13 | <devtrash> | paperclip: I have the standard remote |
| 17:13 | <paperclip> | does your mythtv box switch the channels? |
| 17:13 | * devtrash | doesn't have it set up quite yet |
| 17:14 | <mdz> | that reminds me, I need to call those shady ass people at snapstream again |
| 17:14 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 17:14 | * devtrash | is fighting with mySQL and permissions |
| 17:14 | <mdz> | they still have not shipped my IR transmitter |
| 17:14 | <Chutt> | i've gotten 9 spam emails in the past 20 minutes |
| 17:14 | <Chutt> | the joys of getting linked to by shady places like /. |
| 17:14 | * devtrash | has one or two IR transmitters laying around, I might try |
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