| 00:20 | <mdz_> | Chutt: didn't have much time to work on the config stuff today, but I got together a little browser for selecting a profile and editing it |
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| 00:26 | <PurpleMan> | Anybody awake? |
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| 09:21 | <dmech> | hello |
| 09:21 | <dmech> | once again, any experts handy? :) |
| 09:22 | <lichen> | depends on what level of expertise you need |
| 09:23 | <dmech> | well, the level I need is what ever can help me get this myth tv to work ;0 |
| 09:23 | <lichen> | well ill say you have to be very familiar with linux, drivers, libararies, etc to get it to work properly, but if you have an actual question i might be able to help |
| 09:24 | <dmech> | I have it working for the most part, but just not quite right... |
| 09:24 | <dmech> | for instance one problem is when I select live TV, I can't change the channel. The picutre just locks up |
| 09:24 | <lichen> | does it all work in xawtv? |
| 09:25 | <dmech> | works fine in xawtv, except the color sucks |
| 09:25 | <lichen> | using what tuner? |
| 09:25 | <dmech> | mandrake 9.0/Ati TV wonder/Sound Blaster AWE 64 |
| 09:26 | <lichen> | hmm, cant think of anything off the top of my head, maybe the drivers for the ATI are substandard, i would say post to the mailing list, they are usually pretty helpful |
| 09:26 | <dmech> | which mailing list? the one on the web site say's it's for development use |
| 09:28 | <lichen> | thats the one, mythtv-dev .. its for users and developers alike, just so long as you aren't totally clueless and you describe your problem thoroughly including all your hardware and such you might get something to help you out |
| 09:28 | <dmech> | cool, I'll give it a shot, thanks |
| 10:08 | <lichen> | i dont understand why a packet generator used for network testing is included in the linux kernel |
| 10:08 | <lichen> | and we wonder why the kernel is 36 megs |
| 10:08 | lichen | lichen_ Dec 02 10:10:34 <mdz> lichen: it's not even built by default, what is there to complain about? |
| 10:11 | <lichen> | its still bloat to the sourcecode though |
| 10:11 | <lichen> | i mean its a kernel... it should stick to general tasks |
| 10:11 | <mdz> | TCP/IP is a kernel task |
| 10:11 | <lichen> | granted, but network diagnostics should be user level |
| 10:12 | <mdz> | and the 16kb of pktgen does not contribute significantly to the size of the kernel in any form |
| 10:12 | <mdz> | certainly not the 36 meg compressed tarball |
| 10:12 | <lichen> | the kernel should just act as a interface for the user level application to generate whatever packets necessary |
| 10:12 | <lichen> | okayokay its not worth arguing about, im just saying that i just find it odd that its included |
| 10:13 | <mdz> | how are you going to properly test the kernel stack from userspace? |
| 10:13 | <dmech> | I find it odd that I can't do full duplex with my soundblaster awe 64 ;) |
| 10:14 | <mdz> | dmech: the old ISA one? |
| 10:15 | <dmech> | mdz: yea |
| 10:15 | <dmech> | I know it does support full duplex, but it would seem that the alsa driver doesn't |
| 10:16 | <dmech> | anyone know if the soundblaster PCI works in full duplex with alsa? |
| 10:17 | <mdz> | the Live! does |
| 10:17 | <_shad> | hmm |
| 10:17 | <_shad> | if it locks up when changing the channel, it's a problem with sound drivers |
| 10:17 | <dmech> | yea, I'm trying to find a cheap card local |
| 10:17 | <dmech> | it locks up while changing channels :( |
| 10:17 | <_shad> | ya |
| 10:17 | <_shad> | I had a SB128 and it did that |
| 10:17 | <dmech> | I can get the sound blaster pci for 20 bucks, the live is 50 bucks |
| 10:17 | <_shad> | couldn't figure out the prob |
| 10:17 | <dmech> | doh |
| 10:17 | <dmech> | hmm |
| 10:18 | <_shad> | I put a sb live in and it worked |
| 10:18 | <dmech> | Maybe I'll pull the card out of the wifes computer |
| 10:18 | <_shad> | ya |
| 10:18 | <_shad> | best bet :) |
| 10:18 | <_shad> | or try diff drivers |
| 10:18 | <dmech> | where would I get diff drivers? |
| 10:18 | <_shad> | use OSS |
| 10:18 | <_shad> | www.opensound.com |
| 10:18 | <_shad> | there's a license... |
| 10:19 | <_shad> | :) |
| 10:19 | <dmech> | ;) |
| 10:21 | <_shad> | when you install the license, I think you need to chmod -x mail first. :) |
| 10:21 | <dmech> | got ya ;0 |
| 10:21 | <_shad> | hehe |
| 10:21 | <_shad> | brb |
| 10:26 | * _shad | wants to go back to bed |
| 10:28 | <dmech> | LOL |
| 10:29 | <dmech> | you think Bill is gonna be upset? |
| 10:29 | <dmech> | off to test this beast |
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| 10:31 | <_shad> | heh |
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| 10:37 | <_shad> | success? |
| 10:38 | <dMech> | no, get an error about /dev/dsp |
| 10:38 | <dMech> | could not detect audio blocksize |
| 10:39 | <_shad> | hmm |
| 10:39 | <_shad> | umm |
| 10:39 | <_shad> | what do you have the blocksize set to in settings.txt? |
| 10:40 | <dMech> | what setting is that exactly? |
| 10:40 | <dMech> | the audiosamplerate? |
| 10:40 | <_shad> | sec |
| 10:40 | <_shad> | int AudioSampleRate=32000 |
| 10:40 | <_shad> | ya |
| 10:40 | <_shad> | put it to 32000 |
| 10:40 | <dMech> | yea, it's set for 32000 |
| 10:41 | <_shad> | try a diff setting |
| 10:42 | <mdz> | dMech: the SB Live! value can be had mail-order for US $25 |
| 10:43 | <dMech> | yea, I know. But I want to get this working sooner than that ;) |
| 10:44 | <mdz> | fast, right or cheap: pick any two |
| 10:44 | <dMech> | I do have a live in this computer that I can use |
| 10:44 | <dMech> | I also have another ISA card that I could try, it's a crystyl chipset |
| 10:44 | <dMech> | maybe that's what I'll try next |
| 10:45 | <_shad> | dmesg: did you run sndconfig? |
| 10:45 | <dMech> | no, do I need to ? |
| 10:45 | <dMech> | I mean I did after the initial install |
| 10:47 | <dMech> | screw it, gonna try anothre sound card |
| 10:47 | <mdz> | dMech: can the card do full duplex outside of mythtv? |
| 10:48 | <dMech> | in windows yet |
| 10:48 | <dMech> | er yes |
| 10:49 | <dMech> | it doesn't seem to do full duplex with alsa |
| 10:49 | <_shad> | hrm. |
| 10:49 | <dMech> | and I can't get any kde app to work with the OSS |
| 10:54 | <_shad> | hrm |
| 10:55 | <_shad> | hehe |
| 10:55 | <_shad> | works for me :) |
| 11:00 | <dMech> | damn, the other ISA card doesn't do full duplex either. I'm off to get a live :( |
| 11:04 | <_shad> | hehe |
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| 12:55 | <Chutt> | dmech, the awe64 works in full duplex with the alsa drivers and their oss emulation |
| 12:55 | <Chutt> | it does not with the standard kernel drivers |
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| 14:48 | <dMech> | Hello |
| 14:48 | <dMech> | anyone still here that I was talking to earlier? |
| 14:50 | <Chutt> | probably not |
| 14:51 | <dMech> | I see them listed, but didn't know if they were alive ;) |
| 14:51 | <dMech> | anyhow, I've resolved my sound card problem by getting a Live! card... But Mandrake 9.0 doesn't support it natively... Any suggestions? |
| 14:52 | <Chutt> | doesn't support it natively? |
| 14:52 | <Chutt> | i doubt that |
| 14:53 | <dMech> | sndconfig says it's not supported |
| 14:53 | <Universe> | everytime I have installed Mandrake, it has detached my Live are.... Even 6.2 did |
| 14:53 | <Universe> | Live card.. |
| 14:54 | <dMech> | that's nice, any idea how to get an already installed OS to recognise it? |
| 14:55 | <Universe> | sounds like you need to read up on your distro and alsa |
| 14:56 | <dMech> | that's the hard way, thanks for all the usefull help |
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| 15:00 | <Universe> | I dont know mandrake that well... |
| 15:00 | <Universe> | I am sure they put in an easy GUI interface for added new hardware but I have never done it |
| 15:01 | <dMech> | that's ok, I was just tossing it out there to see if any one knew to save me a bit of time |
| 15:01 | <Universe> | and most everyone here is running Debian and I am running Gentoo |
| 15:01 | <Universe> | if you have the alsa driver compiled for your live card |
| 15:01 | <Universe> | you could add it to your /etc/modules.autoload |
| 15:03 | <dMech> | I may have found it, let's hope this card fixes mythtv |
| 15:03 | <Chutt> | fixes mythtv? |
| 15:03 | <Chutt> | mythtv isn't the problem |
| 15:03 | <dMech> | well, my problem with it |
| 15:03 | <dMech> | damn, defensive |
| 15:04 | <Chutt> | not really |
| 15:04 | <Chutt> | just tired of people with half working systems complaining about stuff not working for them |
| 15:04 | <dMech> | system works just fine |
| 15:04 | <Chutt> | no, it doesn't |
| 15:04 | <dMech> | just the sound card driver provided by alsa doesn't support full duplex with it |
| 15:04 | <Chutt> | alsa supports full duplex on the awe 64 |
| 15:05 | <Chutt> | oss doesn't, though |
| 15:05 | <Universe> | so then your system wasn't configured correctly |
| 15:05 | <dMech> | then why doesn't it work? |
| 15:05 | <dMech> | sound seemed to work just fine |
| 15:05 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 15:05 | <Chutt> | i like how you tested sound by playing stuff back |
| 15:06 | <Chutt> | 'but xawtv works!' |
| 15:06 | <dMech> | I attempt to read and write from /dev/dsp at the same time |
| 15:07 | <dMech> | sweet, it works |
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| 15:14 | <Chutt> | nevertheless, i'm going to be taking a look at your patch stuff soon |
| 15:14 | <nevertheless> | cool :) |
| 15:29 | <Chutt> | your prerecord stuff won't work properly |
| 15:29 | <nevertheless> | i seemed to realize that already, there has to be more stuff done, so that everything works :) |
| 15:30 | <Chutt> | well, it'll mess up if you record two shows in a row |
| 15:30 | <Chutt> | the 2nd show won't even get recorded |
| 15:30 | <Chutt> | so, not going to apply that |
| 15:30 | <nevertheless> | wouldn't be a good idea to aply it |
| 15:31 | <Chutt> | the themesetup.cpp patch that adds the setting is wrong |
| 15:31 | <nevertheless> | why> |
| 15:31 | <nevertheless> | ? |
| 15:31 | <Chutt> | because none of the other stuff uses a setting to find the themes |
| 15:31 | <Chutt> | it should just be as simple as telling the themesetup.cpp stuff to search the same dirs that the other stuff does |
| 15:31 | <nevertheless> | but the themesetup doesn't show the themes without that patch |
| 15:32 | <nevertheless> | ok, i didn't check the other stuff |
| 15:32 | <nevertheless> | i just looked for a hardcoded .../share/mythtv |
| 16:20 | <lichen_> | how should i deal with the recordings in mythweb? i currently just have it showing everything from singlerecord, should i make it show what shows and timeslots from allrecord and timeslotrecord are currently set, or perhaps show all the shows that will be recorded over like the next week? |
| 16:21 | <Chutt> | well, what's the idea behind displaying the recordings? |
| 16:21 | <Chutt> | if you're just showing everything that's been selected to be recorded |
| 16:21 | <Chutt> | i'd do separate tables for the timeslot, channel record, and all record entries |
| 16:22 | <Chutt> | and just show the useful data for those |
| 16:37 | <lichen_> | er sorry i have a habit of asking a question then walking away, but i was thinking if i showed the actual shows that were going to eb recorded for allrecord and timeslotrecord it would allow them to actually see what episode or whatnot its going to be recording... like the tivo todo list |
| 16:38 | <lichen_> | i guess it would make more sense in the future though when there is an option to ignore a certain episode of an allrecord record |
| 16:39 | <Universe> | there is a way lichen... in the system conflicts page |
| 16:39 | <Universe> | welll |
| 16:40 | <Universe> | if it is conflicting with something only |
| 16:40 | <lichen_> | well if you have a single show set to allrecord, you cant just ignore a single showing of it can you? |
| 16:40 | <lichen_> | yeah |
| 16:40 | <Universe> | nope.. you can't |
| 16:41 | <lichen_> | oh well, i guess for the time being ill show just what shows have been set to allrecord, and what timeslots have been set to timeslotrecord |
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| 17:17 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 17:18 | <Chutt> | qt 3.1 has some differences wrt the widget palette stuff |
| 17:18 | <mdz> | good, bad or just different? |
| 17:19 | <Chutt> | well, the listviews are being all messed up if i'm changing the color/background image of the window |
| 17:19 | <Chutt> | but i should be able to fix that |
| 17:30 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 17:31 | <Chutt> | looks like that the child widgets in the listview (the viewport, the scrollbars, the header) aren't inheriting the palette properly |
| 17:42 | <_shad> | dmech: nice :) |
| 17:51 | <Chutt> | ah |
| 17:51 | <_shad> | gah |
| 17:51 | <_shad> | Hi |
| 17:51 | <Chutt> | seems they changed some of the rules |
| 17:51 | <_shad> | :) |
| 17:51 | <_shad> | is 3.1 final out? |
| 17:51 | <Chutt> | it's been out for awhile |
| 17:51 | <_shad> | hm |
| 17:52 | <_shad> | heh. nov13 |
| 17:58 | * paperclip | is away: finding a place to keep the bodies |
| 18:01 | <_shad> | I'm all out of big HD's :( |
| 18:01 | <Chutt> | hrm |
| 18:02 | <_shad> | The biggest I have is a 2.6gig |
| 18:02 | <_shad> | hehe |
| 18:02 | <Chutt> | i don't see a way to work around the palette inheritance changes without telling every subwidget to use the palette directly |
| 18:02 | <_shad> | will that slow stuff down? |
| 18:02 | <Chutt> | no : |
| 18:02 | <Chutt> | it's just annoying to do |
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| 18:04 | <_shad> | :( |
| 18:06 | <_shad> | Would a HD that does 8meg/sec be too slow for mythtv? |
| 18:07 | <Chutt> | most likely |
| 18:07 | <moegreen> | shad: have you enabled dma? |
| 18:07 | <_shad> | ya |
| 18:07 | <_shad> | it's a slow HD |
| 18:07 | <_shad> | I'm outta hd space :( |
| 18:08 | <moegreen> | ouch :) |
| 18:08 | <_shad> | :) |
| 18:08 | <_shad> | using nfs it takes up 60% of this computers cpu to do it |
| 18:08 | <_shad> | and using smbfs it takes up 25% |
| 18:08 | <_shad> | so that kinda sucks |
| 18:09 | <moegreen> | Anyone here build the IR receiver from lirc.org? |
| 18:11 | <_shad> | aha! |
| 18:11 | <_shad> | it works with 400x400 |
| 18:11 | <_shad> | not 480x480 |
| 18:11 | <vektor> | capturing 400 scanlines from the bttv makes it ambiguous which ones are from which field |
| 18:12 | <_shad> | heh |
| 18:12 | <_shad> | doesn't look so bad :) |
| 18:12 | <vektor> | ok.... |
| 18:12 | <_shad> | looks a bit worse than 480x480, and a lot better than 320x240 :) |
| 18:13 | <_shad> | considering I don't have a fast system either, it's pretty good |
| 18:23 | <mdz> | _shad: 60% CPU to do NFS? what kind of CPU? |
| 18:26 | <_shad> | celeron 300@450 |
| 18:27 | <mdz> | shouldn't take nearly that much |
| 18:27 | <mdz> | NFSv2 or NFSv3? |
| 18:29 | <_shad> | it's the user server |
| 18:29 | <_shad> | sec |
| 18:30 | <_shad> | 2.2 |
| 18:30 | <mdz> | why would you use the userland server? |
| 18:30 | <mdz> | you're not running Linux 2.2.x, are you? |
| 18:30 | <_shad> | I don't remember |
| 18:30 | <_shad> | heh |
| 18:30 | <_shad> | I was |
| 18:30 | <_shad> | I haven't used nfs in a couple years |
| 18:30 | <_shad> | that's what was installed :) |
| 18:30 | <mdz> | the userland server is probably an order of magnitude slower |
| 18:30 | <_shad> | ya |
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| 18:31 | <_shad> | I believe it |
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| 18:32 | <lichen_> | it would be cool if you could make the subtitle and description of a recording come up when you hit i |
| 18:32 | <_shad> | I have a stupid ferret. hehe |
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| 18:57 | <lichen_> | hmm i noticed something weird, i deleted something from the delete recordings menu, and when it went back to the delete recordings menu after the delete confirmation, it didn't update the available diskspace |
| 19:04 | <moegreen> | is there a way to change the video settings (color, brightness, etc) or is this done though the bttv module? |
| 19:11 | <Chutt> | v4lctl or something like that |
| 19:11 | <Chutt> | there's nothing in mythtv to do that |
| 19:42 | <_shad> | What's the cvsroot for mythtv? |
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| 19:48 | <mdz_> | I have a QListView, and I add one column to it, but it displays two columns |
| 19:48 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 19:49 | <Chutt> | never seen that |
| 19:49 | <Chutt> | oh, wait |
| 19:49 | <Chutt> | you mean, there's extra space off to the right? |
| 19:49 | <mdz_> | right |
| 19:49 | <Chutt> | just set the column width manually |
| 19:49 | <mdz_> | and in the header, there's a line showing the end of the column |
| 19:49 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 19:50 | <Chutt> | for some reason, it doesn't maximize the size of the columns |
| 19:51 | <mdz_> | I even tried setColumnWidthMode(0, QListView::Maximum); |
| 19:51 | <mdz_> | ahh, that just makes it as wide as the widest item |
| 19:52 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 19:52 | <Chutt> | that's why i manually set all the column sizes |
| 19:56 | <mdz_> | what would be the best way to go about integrating the new settings code? |
| 19:56 | <Chutt> | i dunno |
| 19:56 | <mdz_> | I was thinking to replace the code in libmyth with the new stuff, and move the old stuff into a standalone conversion program which would load the old settings into the new classes |
| 19:56 | <Chutt> | haven't seen it |
| 19:59 | <Chutt> | that'd probably be fine |
| 19:59 | <Chutt> | what all's getting moved into the db? |
| 20:00 | <mdz_> | so far just the recording stuff |
| 20:00 | <mdz_> | but I may as well do it all at once |
| 20:00 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 20:00 | <Chutt> | well, feel free to start checking stuff into cvs |
| 20:01 | <mdz_> | you did say you didn't mind if I broke it |
| 20:01 | <Universe> | lol |
| 20:01 | <Chutt> | nope |
| 20:02 | <Chutt> | all the people that are using cvs and shouldn't be will complain, but i don't care =) |
| 20:02 | <mdz_> | I was starting to think that it would be awfully inconvenient if I lost my working directory |
| 20:02 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 20:03 | <Chutt> | check stuff in :p |
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| 20:04 | <Chutt> | i'll bbl, though |
| 20:11 | <lichen_> | hmm, using the latest CVS while watching live tv there is a bar thats part of the main menu at the bottom of the screen |
| 20:13 | <mdz_> | lichen_: adjust the new overscan settings |
| 20:16 | <lichen_> | whats the difference between overscan and underscan? |
| 20:16 | <moegreen> | this seems odd - my channels are one ahead of what they should be, for example, usually the FOX channel here is 8 - it's listed that way in the guide and the osd - but it's actually 9 when tuning into it |
| 20:17 | <Universe> | check the mailing list |
| 20:17 | <Universe> | this has been brought up before, I believe |
| 20:17 | <moegreen> | ok |
| 20:17 | <moegreen> | i'll take a look - thanks |
| 20:17 | <mdz_> | moegreen: you have your tuner type set wrong |
| 20:17 | <mdz_> | moegreen: it's a parameter to the bttv module |
| 20:19 | <lichen_> | yay i fixed it, thanks |
| 20:29 | <moegreen> | mdz_: Do I need to change the tuner type? It's autodetecting my card correctly (it would seem so atleast) |
| 20:31 | <mdz_> | moegreen: if the channels aren't tuning properly, then yes, you need to change it |
| 20:34 | <moegreen> | heh - thanks - that worked...and the picture is 200% better as well |
| 20:44 | <mdz_> | that needs to go in the FAQ |
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| 22:00 | <_shad> | Gah |
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| 22:00 | <_shad> | This hard drive sucks |
| 22:00 | <_shad> | heh |
| 22:00 | <_shad> | "Chirp, chirp, chirp..." |
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