| 00:00 | <mdz_> | so I'm trying to figure out how to get this thing to save the code for me so I can edit it |
| 00:01 | <mdz_> | it really wants me to write my code in designer |
| 00:04 | <mdz_> | aha, uic |
| 00:09 | * yebyen | plays with the mythtv editing stuffs |
| 00:11 | <mdz_> | Changing from None to RecordingOnly |
| 00:11 | <mdz_> | Found profile: Default |
| 00:11 | <mdz_> | Video codec: mpeg4 |
| 00:11 | <mdz_> | Audio codec: mp3lame |
| 00:11 | <mdz_> | Quality = 9 |
| 00:11 | <mdz_> | SampleRate = 32000 |
| 00:11 | <mdz_> | Width = 640 |
| 00:11 | <mdz_> | Height = 480 |
| 00:12 | <mdz_> | TargetBitrate = 3300 |
| 00:12 | <mdz_> | ScaleBitrate = 0 |
| 00:12 | <mdz_> | MaxQuality = 1 |
| 00:12 | <mdz_> | MinQuality = 4 |
| 00:12 | <mdz_> | QualDiff = 3 |
| 00:12 | <mdz_> | yay, it actually works with scheduled recordings |
| 00:14 | <lichen_> | nice, switching out this rainbow runner for a hauppage |
| 00:15 | <lichen_> | hopefulyl this fixes my troubles |
| 00:16 | <yebyen> | heh |
| 00:26 | <Markie> | ugh |
| 00:26 | <Markie> | been blowing in insulation all day |
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| 01:06 | <lichen_> | arg as i cant even get the hauppauge wintv to work.. its just static with xawtv |
| 01:13 | <mdz_> | Chutt: do you know a good way to replace one widget with another in an active dialog? |
| 01:14 | <mdz_> | Chutt: I need to rip out the parameter widgets from the box they're in, and replace them with others |
| 01:16 | <mdz_> | bah, sleep time |
| 01:16 | <paperclip> | nite |
| 01:21 | <yebyen> | heh |
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| 01:22 | <[DJ]HaCK> | anyone home ? |
| 01:41 | <yebyen> | man do i hate pants |
| 01:43 | <dd> | not as much as i hate baggy sweaters on girls with nice.... |
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| 07:27 | <nevertheless> | Chutt: and unfortunatly i realized, that my patch doesn't link after a 'make clean' :( |
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| 10:14 | <fxfighte> | humm i wonder why xaw and tvtime will fill my monitor/tv properly (i.e. no overscan) and mythtv seems to crop the image borders (i.e. add overscan by itself, or something like that) |
| 10:19 | <fxfighte> | actually.. the fullscreen modes of xaw and tvtime are displayed properly.. looks like myth just isnt doing fullscreen adjusting |
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| 11:46 | <mdz_> | Chutt: check out the changelog for gdb 5.2.debian90.cvs20021120-1 |
| 11:46 | <mdz_> | Chutt: * Add a patch which makes debugging threaded applications drastically (5x - 10x) faster. Whee! |
| 11:49 | <lichen_> | hey what bttv drivers do you guys use? will the ones in the 2.4.19 kernel work fine? |
| 11:53 | <nevertheless> | yes |
| 11:55 | <lichen_> | man using those i just get static on my bt848 :( |
| 11:56 | <nevertheless> | here it works fine |
| 11:56 | <lichen_> | compiled in or modules? |
| 11:56 | <nevertheless> | module |
| 11:57 | <nevertheless> | i try everything as module, since you can change several settings only when using modules |
| 12:13 | <fxfighte> | does anyone else get this, or is it just me? mythtv seems to be at a resolution larger than the one my monitor/tv currently is .. im using nvtv. (xaw is able to readjust to whatever mode i set to in nvtv, mythtv doesnt) |
| 12:20 | <lichen_> | ohh well thatfixes my audio troubles, plugging the line out of my tuner into the mic plug on my soundcard and not my line in :) |
| 12:20 | <mdz_> | fxfighte: edit themes.txt |
| 12:27 | <fxfighte> | mdz: edited... still, the osd's get displayed at the correct resolution, but mythtv is just cuting a lot of the image |
| 12:27 | <Chutt> | 5% |
| 12:27 | <fxfighte> | can i make it so it just doesnt cut at all? |
| 12:27 | <Chutt> | not without editing the source |
| 12:27 | <Chutt> | i should make that configurable sometime |
| 12:28 | <fxfighte> | yeah.. that'd be very usefull :) |
| 12:28 | <fxfighte> | it cuts 5% of the area? |
| 12:28 | <fxfighte> | or 5% on each dimension |
| 12:28 | <Chutt> | 5% each side |
| 12:28 | <fxfighte> | yeah.. that seems right |
| 12:29 | <fxfighte> | visually, that is (its cuting the logo by that amount, from what i see in the raw signal geting to my tv) |
| 12:30 | <Chutt> | ah, so you've got nvtv doing it as well? |
| 12:30 | <fxfighte> | yeah |
| 12:31 | <fxfighte> | because using the standard nvidia drivers the image got very small, and somewhat distorted |
| 12:31 | <fxfighte> | i didnt want to change my tv's geometry settings every time i want to watch mythtv :) |
| 12:33 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 12:33 | <Chutt> | well, is nvtv doing around 5% on its own? |
| 12:34 | <lichen_> | you nkow what i wish... that i could record PART of a showing and then like cancel it without it deleting what was already recorded |
| 12:35 | <Chutt> | could just edit the stuff in libs/libNuppelVideo/XJ.cpp::ToggleFullScreen() to use 0,0,XJ_screenwidth,XJ_screenheight |
| 12:35 | <Chutt> | should be fairly obvious what to change |
| 12:35 | <fxfighte> | let me check, i dont remember the exact ammount im seting it to, cause i've been playing with different modes recently |
| 12:35 | <fxfighte> | ok, ill look into it |
| 12:39 | <lichen_> | man playback of recordings skips like every couple of frames |
| 12:50 | <mdz_> | Chutt: I didn't notice it was doing that, damn |
| 12:50 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 12:50 | <mdz_> | Chutt: if I set it to full screen size, it comes much closer to filling my whole TV |
| 12:50 | <Chutt> | 5%'s normal |
| 12:50 | <Chutt> | err, it does? |
| 12:50 | <Chutt> | it should be the same display size |
| 12:50 | <Chutt> | it's just scaling up larger than the display |
| 12:51 | <fxfighte> | anyway, this is a nice option to have at settings |
| 12:51 | <Chutt> | eh |
| 12:51 | <Chutt> | feel free to write a patch :p |
| 12:51 | <Chutt> | i don't know when i'll get around to it |
| 12:51 | <fxfighte> | ok, will do :) |
| 12:52 | <fxfighte> | recompiling now |
| 12:52 | <mdz_> | it certainly changed something |
| 12:52 | <mdz_> | I had a pretty thick border on top/left which is now smaller |
| 12:53 | <fxfighte> | it depends on how your tvout driver scales |
| 12:53 | <fxfighte> | you probably had scaling over scaling |
| 12:54 | <mdz_> | (0,0) is very close to the corner on my TV |
| 12:55 | <mdz_> | but (XJ_screenwidth, XJ_screenheight) isn't close enough to the opposite corner |
| 12:55 | <mdz_> | at least not at 800x600 |
| 12:57 | <mdz_> | 640x480 is no better |
| 12:58 | <fxfighte> | with nvtv, there are modes where 0,0 is exactly the corner, and modes where the border is very far from (0,0) which are the ones that entirely fill my tv.. ill probably need mythtv to do some underscan to get the optimum config |
| 12:59 | <fxfighte> | ahhh.. much better now :) |
| 13:00 | <mdz_> | fxfighte: you say your TV has the ability to adjust this? |
| 13:00 | <mdz_> | fxfighte: or did you mean your TV driver's geometry settings? |
| 13:01 | <fxfighte> | my tv has the hability to adjust geometry, but only in service mode |
| 13:02 | <fxfighte> | so im using nvtv (driver for tvout in nvidia cards), to get a decent mode |
| 13:02 | <mdz_> | my TV has a tilt adjustment and this crazy 16:9 mode where it stretches and letterboxes the picture |
| 13:02 | <mdz_> | but that's it in that department |
| 13:02 | <fxfighte> | yeah mine has that also |
| 13:02 | <mdz_> | how do you put it into service mode? |
| 13:02 | <fxfighte> | you probably need to get into service mode to adjust the geometry, but thats nasty |
| 13:03 | <fxfighte> | depends on your tv.. on the wega 27 its power + disp, vol +, and 5, or something like that |
| 13:03 | <mdz_> | that's what I have :-) |
| 13:03 | <fxfighte> | the tv then goes off, and on again.. then you can see a menu with several items |
| 13:04 | <fxfighte> | do a google search for sony wega service mode |
| 13:04 | <fxfighte> | there's a nice page describing it, there's some settings you can change to improve overall image quality |
| 13:05 | <fxfighte> | be carefull though, note down any parameter you change in case the change decreases image quality or you dont like it.. |
| 13:05 | <mdz_> | very interesting |
| 13:06 | <mdz_> | I did not know about this |
| 13:06 | <fxfighte> | i think the changes you make are temporary, and when you turn tv off the power source they will get reset, but there's some command to permanently store the changes |
| 13:06 | <fxfighte> | i got to know this on a hometheater forum |
| 13:06 | <mdz_> | it says they stay around until you disconnect power or do an explicit reset |
| 13:06 | <fxfighte> | yeah |
| 13:06 | <fxfighte> | thats it |
| 13:07 | <mdz_> | I would rather fix this on the video card side, but I'm not sure it's possible |
| 13:07 | <mdz_> | I'm using an ATI card |
| 13:08 | <fxfighte> | yeah, thats the option i chose too.. otherwise i would fix the video channel i use for mythtv, but would fuck up the rest |
| 13:09 | <fxfighte> | nvtv gives quite a range of ways to do this changes.. the standard nvidia driver is very limited though |
| 13:10 | <mdz_> | I've messed around with the video mode settings and it doesn't seem to make a difference on the TV |
| 13:12 | <mdz_> | I don't know whether I should try to match the video refresh settings to NTSC timings, or set them higher and let the video card figure it out |
| 13:14 | <mdz_> | how much does one of these nvidia cards cost? :-) |
| 13:18 | <fxfighte> | dunno.. here, i bought a geforce2 mx400 for around U$50.. but you can probably find it much cheaper there |
| 13:19 | <mdz_> | that's quite cheap |
| 13:19 | <mdz_> | compared to what I paid for this card :-/ |
| 13:20 | <Chutt> | nvtv doesn't work with newer nvidia cards anyway |
| 13:20 | <mdz_> | meaning it doesn't work with any cards you can buy today, or are they still selling cards which work with it? |
| 13:20 | <Chutt> | should be able to find old gf2 mx's, though |
| 13:21 | <fxfighte> | i bought mine recently.. |
| 13:21 | <fxfighte> | due to its support by nvtv |
| 13:21 | <mdz_> | fxfighte: which one did you get? |
| 13:22 | <fxfighte> | geforce2 mx400 |
| 13:22 | <fxfighte> | http://sourceforge.net/projects/nv-tv-out |
| 13:23 | <mdz_> | pricewatch lists them for $34 including shipping |
| 13:24 | <mdz_> | that is pretty tempting |
| 13:25 | <mdz_> | I wonder if this card's TV out has the same border under Windows |
| 13:25 | <mdz_> | not that I have any Windows to try |
| 13:25 | <mdz_> | or a hard drive to install it on |
| 13:26 | <mdz_> | Chutt: http://people.debian.org/~mdz/temp/wiztest is a little binary demo of the recording profile wizard |
| 13:30 | <paperclip> | $34 is tempting =) |
| 13:31 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 13:31 | <Chutt> | looks ok |
| 13:31 | <Chutt> | the tab order's way off =) |
| 13:33 | <Chutt> | damn the liquid theme |
| 13:33 | <Chutt> | it pre-loads some color settings |
| 13:33 | <Chutt> | and you can't change them in the app |
| 13:38 | <mdz_> | I don't know how to set up the keyboard navigation to not suck |
| 13:38 | <mdz_> | does it just come from the order in which the widgets are packed? |
| 13:42 | <yebyen> | nvtv? |
| 13:42 | <yebyen> | hmm |
| 13:43 | <yebyen> | *looks it up* |
| 13:43 | <yebyen> | what's it do differently than the X tv out in the plain old nvidia drivers? |
| 13:43 | <mdz_> | heh, new xmltv out |
| 13:44 | <mdz_> | yebyen: actually works, apparently |
| 13:44 | <yebyen> | mdz_: mine works fine with the x driver... |
| 13:47 | <mdz_> | yebyen: does it fill the entire TV screen? |
| 13:47 | <yebyen> | mdz_: not in 800x600 |
| 13:47 | <yebyen> | mdz_: it does in 640x480 though |
| 13:48 | <yebyen> | and i can only encode in 320x240 anyway |
| 13:48 | <yebyen> | so it doesn't really matter to me |
| 13:48 | <yebyen> | heh |
| 13:49 | <mdz_> | I wish I could get my hands on one of those ATI DVI->component adapters |
| 13:50 | <mdz_> | I wonder if it would be an improvement |
| 13:50 | <yebyen> | heh |
| 13:50 | <yebyen> | probably |
| 13:50 | <yebyen> | on a tv? or a monitor with dual inputs |
| 13:51 | <lichen_> | god damn it i cant do video overlay on my second output on my dualhead card |
| 14:00 | <fxfighte> | yebyen: you can also control numerous settings you cant on the standard drivers |
| 14:01 | <paperclip> | such as? |
| 14:01 | <fxfighte> | saturation, brightness, contrast, phase, flicker, hue, sharpness, some macrovision settings, dualhead settings |
| 14:01 | <paperclip> | nice.. |
| 14:01 | <fxfighte> | there's also 3 tabs full of nv registers you can play with |
| 14:02 | <fxfighte> | to get a proper mode/quality |
| 14:02 | <paperclip> | i'm guesing one of the macrovision settings isn't "off" |
| 14:02 | <fxfighte> | there's a radio button, looks to be on/off |
| 14:02 | <paperclip> | hmm |
| 14:09 | <yebyen> | fxfighte: that might just be worth it |
| 14:10 | <yebyen> | fxfighte: for the color settings and such |
| 14:11 | <fxfighte> | yeah |
| 14:12 | <yebyen> | fxfighte: i don't suppose I can do "DISPLAY=somewherelse" and run it on my laptop, but affect the machine that it was actually run on... |
| 14:14 | <fxfighte> | i think you can |
| 14:14 | <fxfighte> | i mean, the way it works is, you run nvtv in x |
| 14:14 | <mdz_> | anyone outside the US want to work on getting TV output to work correctly on this ATI card? :-) |
| 14:14 | <fxfighte> | then choose the settings and click tv on.. you can open a remote x session or something |
| 14:33 | <yebyen> | hmm |
| 14:34 | <paperclip> | remote X sessions use the local X server, don't they? |
| 14:35 | <yebyen> | paperclip: no idea |
| 14:35 | <paperclip> | i doubt that output to anything not hanging off the card will be affected |
| 14:38 | <lichen_> | know what i dont get, like i cant watch tvoverlay on full screen, but even if im watching livetv through myth, isn't that like technically recorded and played back, so it should be just an mpeg its playing and not tvoverlay? |
| 14:39 | <lichen_> | actually that didn't make much sense, i know i cant watch tv overlay on tvout, but when watching through myth, shouldn't it work since its just a mpeg being played back? |
| 14:41 | <yebyen> | sure should |
| 14:41 | <mdz_> | lichen_: if the problem is that you can't do hardware scaling (Xv) on the second head, then it won't work either way |
| 14:41 | <mdz_> | what kind of card is it? |
| 14:42 | <mdz_> | I have heard that some dual head cards can either clone the same display to both outputs, or have them independent |
| 14:42 | <lichen_> | ohh that could be it... to be honest im not totally sure what that is, but i remembe rhearing xv mention and im not sure it supports it.. xv is the same as xvideo right? |
| 14:42 | <mdz_> | and that scaling only works in the "clone" mode, not the independent mode |
| 14:42 | <lichen_> | its a matrox g400 dualhead |
| 14:42 | <lichen_> | well im using clone mode |
| 14:42 | <mdz_> | right, I think someone explained this on the mailing list |
| 14:42 | <lichen_> | yeah with the ramdacs |
| 14:43 | <lichen_> | The |
| 14:43 | <lichen_> | cool thing that the G-series does have is an Xv driver that lets you |
| 14:43 | <lichen_> | have 32 Xv ports for hardware scaling and color convertion at the same |
| 14:43 | <lichen_> | time as long as you are willing to lose dri, with the TexturedVideo option. |
| 14:43 | <lichen_> | oops, sorry about that.. but thats what he said about xv wit hthe card |
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| 15:18 | <lichen_> | hmm, my card apparently supports TexturedVideo in the driver, i tried putting the option into the x config but i still cant get video on the tv out |
| 15:25 | <lichen_> | Videoadaptor Section |
| 15:25 | <lichen_> | Nobody wants to say how this works. Maybe nobody knows ... |
| 15:25 | <lichen_> | thats the official help from xfree themselves about how xv works |
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| 18:24 | <mdz_> | Chutt: can you give me the 5-minute tutorial on how the sync stuff works in nuppelvideo? |
| 18:56 | <fxfighte> | im getting IOBOUND -blocking in ThreadedFileWriter::Write when i try to run mythtv.. i was watching tv prior to it, and ran out of hdd.. i then changed my settings for the buffer size in settings.txt , deleted the ringbuffer.nuv and tried to run again, witch resulted in that error |
| 18:58 | <fxfighte> | btw, how do i access variables defined in settings.txt in the code? doing some hacking here for that over/underscan stuff |
| 18:58 | <fxfighte> | for some reason count is always > BuffFree() |
| 18:59 | <nevertheless> | context->Get(Num)Setting("SettingStr"); |
| 19:00 | <fxfighte> | thanks |
| 19:02 | <nevertheless> | you can check the funcs in setting.cpp i think |
| 19:05 | <nevertheless> | settings.cpp it is |
| 19:07 | <fxfighte> | ok, thanks |
| 19:10 | <mdz_> | mplayer code makes my head hurt |
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| 19:57 | <fxfighte> | is there code i can call to get the setting object within XJ.cpp ? |
| 19:58 | <fxfighte> | or do i need to create a new Settings(settings.txt) ? |
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| 20:34 | <Koro> | lo, i have a quick q'n |
| 20:34 | <Koro> | anyone about? |
| 20:35 | <Koro> | my very stupid q'n: how does mythTV actually connect back to a TV screen (i.e. for output)? Do you need a graphics card with a TV out? |
| 20:36 | <Koro> | or use an external VGA-TV converter? |
| 20:36 | <mdz_> | Koro: mythtv doesn't care |
| 20:36 | <mdz_> | Koro: it's just an X application |
| 20:36 | <Koro> | yeah i get that |
| 20:36 | <mdz_> | Koro: some people use TV-out cards, some use converters, some just use computer monitors |
| 20:37 | <Koro> | i mean, how are people doing it |
| 20:37 | <Koro> | aha thnx |
| 20:37 | <Koro> | if i want to integrate it with my home audio/video equip, then a TV out graphics card might be the best way? |
| 20:38 | <Koro> | thnx, i just wanted to clear that misconception of mine up :) |
| 20:41 | <lichen_> | i love it how i get random sql errors when it tries to isnert thingsint othe database |
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| 20:47 | <paperclip> | mdz_: i've been wondering if anyone's thought about using qt/e and loosing X all together? |
| 21:02 | <mdz_> | paperclip: go for it |
| 21:02 | <paperclip> | heh.. |
| 21:02 | <paperclip> | i'm just curious if it's ever been discussed.. |
| 21:03 | <paperclip> | seems like with a good fb it would be workable.. |
| 21:03 | <paperclip> | isn't most of the stuff qt/c++ |
| 21:48 | <fxfighte> | whats the variable, define or whatever for the install dir prefix ( /usr/.. ) ? |
| 21:58 | <Markie> | paperclip: i mentioned that to Isaac |
| 21:58 | <Markie> | he's not interested. |
| 21:58 | <Markie> | one of these days, i'll probably do it |
| 21:59 | <Markie> | but like a year from now |
| 21:59 | <Markie> | :^) |
| 21:59 | <fxfighte> | markie: do you know what i need? :) |
| 22:00 | <fxfighte> | i've done some hacking to XJ.cpp , but at some point i need to call prefix + "/settings.txt".. is there some header file that has that defined? |
| 22:00 | <Markie> | fxfigheter: umm...lemme see...i think it's called prefix or something like that..hold.. |
| 22:01 | <fxfighte> | thanks |
| 22:01 | <Markie> | m_installprefix |
| 22:01 | <Markie> | look in mythcontext.cpp |
| 22:01 | <Markie> | m_installprefix = PREFIX; |
| 22:01 | <fxfighte> | thanks |
| 22:05 | <Markie> | what's XJ.cpp ?? |
| 22:14 | <fxfighte> | does the videooutput stuff |
| 22:14 | <fxfighte> | togglefullscreen, hidecursor, showcursor |
| 22:14 | <fxfighte> | etc |
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| 23:02 | <lichen_> | as myth segfaults out of nowhere |
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| 23:49 | <lichen_> | myth needs a to do list, like an easy way to view what all is going to be recorded for like the next week or so, and allows you to view info on them and cancel them and change recording options and stuff |
| 23:49 | <mdz_> | lichen_: if you can send a stack trace, or reproduce it, it can be fixed |
| 23:50 | <mdz_> | lichen_: otherwise, it doesn't do much good to report that it segfaulted |
| 23:50 | <mdz_> | lichen_: the recording conflicts screen shows you what is going to be recorded for the next week or so |
| 23:50 | <lichen_> | hah unfortunately i cant, im just giving idle complaints ;) .... right nowim just trying to do some stress testing |
| 23:50 | <lichen_> | yeah but it would be nice to be able to edit them from there |
| 23:51 | <lichen_> | its kind of a pain to ahve to go into the program guide |
| 23:51 | <lichen_> | but i suppose beggers shoudln't be choosey.. im thinking once i get some of the bugs worked out i might add some features i would like to see |
| 23:54 | <Chutt> | what bugs? |
| 23:55 | <lichen_> | well by bugs i mean getting it to run smoothly for the most part:) |
| 23:55 | <lichen_> | driver problems and ushc |
| 23:56 | <mdz_> | Chutt: you are no longer getting any corruption during live TV, right? |
| 23:57 | <Chutt> | those funky colors from before? |
| 23:57 | <Chutt> | right |
| 23:57 | <mdz_> | I have seen it mess up a couple of times when watching live TV, not that I ever do that |
| 23:57 | <Chutt> | i'm pretty sure that went away with the extra locking define |
| 23:57 | <mdz_> | never during normal playback though |
| 23:57 | <mdz_> | I'm talking about the kind of stuff we saw when the direct rendering stuff first went in |
| 23:58 | <Chutt> | oh |
| 23:58 | <Chutt> | well, no |
| 23:58 | <Chutt> | the stuff from the deinterlacing? |
| 23:58 | <mdz_> | yeah, it looks a bit like that |
| 23:58 | <mdz_> | but it is hard to be sure because it just happens for one gop |
| 23:59 | <Chutt> | it probably is |
| 23:59 | <mdz_> | I don't know how to go about finding what it is |
| 23:59 | <Chutt> | the same thing, that is |
| 23:59 | <Chutt> | since it bases P frames off of the preceeding frame |
| 23:59 | <mdz_> | because I can't reproduce it and it's really hard to catch since it happens so quickly and only during live tv |
| 23:59 | <Chutt> | if we munge up the previous frame by doing stuff to it (the deinterlacing and the OSD), then it messes stuff up |
