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| 00:07 | <Markie> | Chutt, is there a better way to get the CVS than from the web interface? |
| 00:11 | <Markie> | anyone? |
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| 00:21 | <Markie> | damn |
| 00:39 | <Markie> | not a good night for mythtv ? :^) |
| 00:43 | <lichen_> | arg :( im workin on setting up my box |
| 00:44 | <lichen_> | i think everything is all set except trying to get v4l to find my card |
| 00:44 | <lichen_> | cause xawtv and everything says it cant open either /dev/video or /dev/video0 |
| 00:44 | <Markie> | what kind of card? |
| 00:44 | <lichen_> | Matrox G400 and a Rainbow Runner |
| 00:45 | <Markie> | after you load the module, what does dmesg sy? |
| 00:45 | <Markie> | it ahould tell you the /dev device it's using |
| 00:45 | <Markie> | what module are you loading |
| 00:45 | <Markie> | (forgive me, i dont knowwhat a rainbox runner is) |
| 00:46 | <lichen_> | well its just the addon tv tuner for a g400... like i load videodev (which is the v4l module) then i load i2c-core and i2c-dev, and then i have a crapload of modules that are supposed to be drivers for v4l, so i run the script that came with that and it loads up a bunch of them |
| 00:47 | <Markie> | did you check dmesg ? |
| 00:48 | <lichen_> | yeah.. it didn't list any specific devices though |
| 00:48 | <lichen_> | it jsut listed a bunch of modules that were registered |
| 00:49 | <Markie> | what's in /proc/devices ? |
| 00:49 | <lichen_> | bunch of stuff, 81 video_capture, 89 i2c |
| 00:49 | <Markie> | good 81 |
| 00:49 | <Markie> | ls -al /dev | grep 81 |
| 00:50 | <Markie> | look for files with 81, <something> |
| 00:50 | <Markie> | ls -al /dev | grep 81\, |
| 00:50 | <Markie> | that might narrow it down |
| 00:51 | <lichen_> | yeah ther eis a bunch 81, ... |
| 00:52 | <Markie> | which is 81,0 ? |
| 00:52 | <lichen_> | video0 |
| 00:52 | <Markie> | thats it |
| 00:53 | <Markie> | xawtv doesnt like it? |
| 00:53 | <Markie> | ohhh |
| 00:53 | <Markie> | who owns /dev/video0 ? |
| 00:53 | <lichen_> | nope :( it says open /dev/video0: no such device |
| 00:53 | <lichen_> | root:video |
| 00:53 | <Markie> | no such device or no premissions |
| 00:53 | <Markie> | ok |
| 00:53 | <lichen_> | no such device |
| 00:53 | <Markie> | then the driver didnt load |
| 00:53 | <Markie> | or isnt workng |
| 00:53 | <lichen_> | yeah im thinking its just missing the proper driver |
| 00:53 | <Markie> | (more likely) |
| 00:54 | <Markie> | unfortunately, i dont have that card so i woldnt know anything specific |
| 00:55 | <lichen_> | hmm.. okay.. well thanks for your help, im scouring the mailing lists right now |
| 00:58 | <Markie> | so you just got this and never had it working before, right? |
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| 10:23 | <Markie> | hey chutt |
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| 10:29 | <lichen> | holy shit! |
| 10:29 | <lichen> | i think i got too |
| 10:29 | <lichen> | got too? got it! |
| 10:29 | <lichen> | i thin ki got the drivers working for the tuner card :) |
| 10:29 | <lichen> | too bad i cant test it from here though :( |
| 10:31 | <Markie> | heh |
| 10:31 | <Markie> | what was the problem? |
| 10:31 | <Markie> | why cant you test it? |
| 10:33 | <lichen> | because the driver didn't build correctly.. and because im at work :) |
| 10:34 | <Markie> | no X at work? |
| 10:34 | <lichen> | hmmm actually i do have a slack machine sitting next to me running X.. i was hesitant though cause i wasn't sure if the video overlay would work properly |
| 10:34 | <lichen> | and thats just like one more thing i would be forced to troubleshoot :) |
| 10:38 | <Markie> | but you just want to see if /dev/video opens, right? |
| 10:39 | <Markie> | i thought the problem was non-existant /dev/video0 |
| 10:39 | <Markie> | so just run mythfrontend |
| 10:40 | <Markie> | i dont know if it'll guarantee that it works completely, but if it does, at least you'll have a little happiness in your day! |
| 10:42 | <lichen> | er i just realized i would have to connect to my vpn at home from my linux machine, and im not in the mood to set that up :) |
| 10:42 | <Markie> | heh |
| 10:43 | <Markie> | you cant ssh into your home machine |
| 10:43 | <Markie> | that bites |
| 10:44 | <lichen> | well i CAN.. its just that its behind ip masqing, so i setup a pptp vpn server on my linux gateway so i can just vpn in from work and access the machines behind the ip masqing |
| 10:44 | <Markie> | blah |
| 10:48 | <lichen> | now i just need to figure out why mysql isn't using my config, its putting the socket file in /tmp/mysql.sock instead of /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock where myth looks for it |
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| 11:43 | <Markie> | wnyknoe know anything about CVS access for mythtv? |
| 11:43 | <Markie> | anyone know anything about CVS access for mythtv? |
| 11:43 | <Markie> | heh |
| 11:43 | <Chutt> | it's in the howto document, like the guy said |
| 11:44 | <nevertheless> | je[[ |
| 11:44 | <nevertheless> | jepp |
| 11:44 | <nevertheless> | arg |
| 11:46 | <Markie> | go tit..thakns |
| 11:47 | <Markie> | who said it's in the howto ? |
| 11:47 | <Markie> | i must not have gotten that mail yet |
| 11:47 | <Markie> | blah |
| 11:47 | <Markie> | thanks |
| 11:48 | <Markie> | heh..jsut got it :^) |
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| 13:08 | <lichen> | hey what in mythtv specifies where the socket file is for the mysql database? |
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| 13:52 | <Chutt> | nothing does |
| 13:54 | lichen | lichen_ Nov 22 13:54:43 <mdz> lichen: if it's not working, your libraries are not compiled correctly |
| 13:58 | <lichen> | no it works, its just not looking for the socket file in the right place |
| 14:01 | <Markie> | argghhhhhh |
| 14:04 | lichen | lichen_ Nov 22 14:04:29 <mdz> lichen: if it's not looking in the right place, your libraries are not compiled correctly |
| 14:04 | <mdz> | lichen: when you build mysql, the server and the library both get the same path for the socket built into them |
| 14:06 | <Markie> | freeken pain the butt..son of a gun..damn code! |
| 14:07 | <Markie> | hrm.. the mythtv CVs aint compiling |
| 14:07 | <Markie> | main.cpp:18: `cerr' undeclared (first use this function) |
| 14:08 | <nevertheless> | yeah an include is missing |
| 14:08 | <Markie> | yea, iostream |
| 14:08 | <nevertheless> | just add this #include <iostream> |
| 14:09 | <nevertheless> | you are running gcc 3? |
| 14:09 | <mdz> | Markie: do you have your changes merged into current CVS then? |
| 14:10 | <Markie> | mdz: 'm just doing it now |
| 14:10 | <Markie> | i'm having one last problem..albeit a big one |
| 14:10 | <Markie> | and trying to figure my way out of it |
| 14:11 | <Markie> | bascially, i need to cal SEtCallback in themedmenu.cpp |
| 14:11 | <Markie> | but the callback is in mytfrontend/main.cpp |
| 14:11 | <Markie> | so libmyth craps out with an undefined refernce when making the shared library |
| 14:12 | <mdz> | Markie: why would you need to do that? |
| 14:13 | <Markie> | ummm.....why.....umm. |
| 14:13 | <Markie> | oh..because the callback is set to TvCallback originally |
| 14:13 | <Markie> | wait..lemme think.. |
| 14:14 | <Markie> | yea, thats it.. |
| 14:14 | <Markie> | I need to open a different dialog. |
| 14:15 | <Markie> | themedmenu calls the callback to open the dialog for the TV menu |
| 14:15 | <Markie> | i need it to open my menu |
| 14:15 | <Markie> | i was trying to not compile my dialog directly into the library....just like the TVCallback |
| 14:18 | <Markie> | i kow what i'll do..it's a really bad hack but it'll work |
| 14:20 | <Universe> | bad hack? that doesn't sound good... |
| 14:22 | <Markie> | no actually it's fine |
| 14:22 | <Markie> | in fact, ehe i just saw where theres alreay a stub for settings in the tvcallback :^) |
| 14:22 | <Markie> | i'm just having it call the tvcallback ,and then in the tv callback, i'll call my settings stuff |
| 14:23 | <Markie> | which is i think exactly what he had in mind |
| 14:27 | <Universe> | so what are you coding again? |
| 14:31 | <Markie> | umm..the setup section |
| 14:31 | <Universe> | oh |
| 14:31 | <Markie> | making al lthe setup variables done through the front end |
| 14:31 | <Universe> | nothing exciting.. |
| 14:31 | <Markie> | hey!! :^) |
| 14:31 | <Universe> | heh |
| 14:32 | <Markie> | well, i'm also doing chanel scanning |
| 14:32 | <Universe> | thats cool... better than editing the txt files |
| 14:32 | <Markie> | yep |
| 14:32 | <Universe> | next make the mplayer frontend for myth? |
| 14:32 | <Universe> | heh |
| 14:34 | <Markie> | yep |
| 14:35 | <Markie> | i was working with mplayer last night |
| 14:35 | <Markie> | thats my next projec,t mythvideo |
| 14:35 | <Markie> | that'll actually be easy |
| 14:36 | <Universe> | cool |
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| 14:40 | <Markie> | ugh |
| 14:46 | <Universe> | problems? |
| 14:47 | <Markie> | all the stuff i was workig on ,they changed it i nthe CVS version :^) |
| 14:48 | <Markie> | they changed function parameters to various stuff |
| 14:49 | <Universe> | ouch |
| 14:49 | <Universe> | so you have to rework all your changes? |
| 14:54 | <Markie> | yea..no bigg..just change the calls |
| 14:55 | <Markie> | ok, heres the setup catagories, am i missing any: |
| 14:55 | <Markie> | Setup Themes |
| 14:55 | <Markie> | Setup Channels |
| 14:55 | <Markie> | Setup Program Guide |
| 14:55 | <Markie> | Setup Playback |
| 14:55 | <Markie> | Setup Recording |
| 14:55 | <Markie> | thats it |
| 14:55 | <Markie> | date/time |
| 14:55 | <Markie> | ? |
| 14:55 | <Universe> | yeah |
| 14:55 | <Universe> | well.. |
| 14:56 | <Universe> | you should probably run a time update deamon on the computer anyways.. |
| 14:56 | <Universe> | so you shouldn't have to touch the time |
| 14:56 | <Markie> | ok |
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| 15:03 | <Markie> | yea! |
| 15:04 | <Universe> | got it? |
| 15:10 | <Markie> | yep |
| 15:10 | <Markie> | sendingin the patch now |
| 15:11 | <Universe> | sweet.. |
| 15:11 | <nevertheless> | im pretty interested in your stuff :-) |
| 15:12 | <Universe> | sending it to Chutt or cvs? |
| 15:12 | <Markie> | thats my next question :^) |
| 15:12 | <Chutt> | to me |
| 15:12 | <Markie> | ok..off it goes.. |
| 15:13 | <nevertheless> | Chutt: did you recieve my mail? |
| 15:13 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 15:13 | <Markie> | ijr@po.cwru.edu ? |
| 15:13 | <Chutt> | yes |
| 15:14 | <Chutt> | nevertheless, i'll look it over when i'm less busy with work |
| 15:14 | <nevertheless> | oki :-) |
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| 15:24 | <Markie> | bbiab |
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| 15:27 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 15:27 | <Chutt> | i like how he neglected to send anything to me |
| 15:29 | <Universe> | lol |
| 15:29 | <Universe> | nice |
| 15:38 | <nevertheless> | hmm, smth stranges is goin' on here, when i hit 'm' in liveTV nothing happens, but when i quit liveTV ('esc') then the epg opens up |
| 15:39 | <Chutt> | with current cvs? |
| 15:39 | <nevertheless> | jepp |
| 15:39 | <Chutt> | yeah, i might've broken something |
| 15:39 | <nevertheless> | oh :) |
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| 15:50 | <Chutt> | nevertheless, yeah, i did break that |
| 15:51 | <Universe> | good job.... |
| 15:51 | <Universe> | j/k.. |
| 15:51 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 15:51 | <Markie> | you're not a real coder unless you break things as much as you fix them :^) |
| 15:51 | <Chutt> | naw |
| 15:52 | <Chutt> | just something i didn't test |
| 15:52 | <nevertheless> | always and only the untested stuff is broken ;-) |
| 15:52 | <Universe> | thats not always true... |
| 15:53 | <nevertheless> | ok ok |
| 15:53 | <Universe> | heh.. |
| 16:18 | <nevertheless> | you can tell the recorder, to record some time longer then the show goes, but is there any chance to start the recording earlier? |
| 16:19 | <Chutt> | i didn't feel like doing that |
| 16:19 | <Chutt> | should be easy to do, though |
| 16:19 | <nevertheless> | hmmm, I have to look, since almost every show here on tv starts too early |
| 16:22 | <nevertheless> | or would it be difficult to add a way to change the recording time of a special show? (somebody talked about adding a way to record without epg, do I remeber right?) |
| 16:22 | <Chutt> | dunno |
| 16:22 | <Chutt> | haven't thought about it, as i don't really need to do that |
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| 16:47 | <Chutt> | nevertheless, applied your patches |
| 16:47 | <Chutt> | and also fixed that epg stuff |
| 16:47 | <nevertheless> | oh nice :-) |
| 16:54 | <nevertheless> | did you ever notice, that --prefix from configure isn't working? or am i doing smth wrong? |
| 16:54 | <Chutt> | did you notice the first line of the output of configure? |
| 16:55 | <Universe> | heh |
| 16:55 | <nevertheless> | Chutt: nope ;) |
| 17:01 | <nevertheless> | oh, theres another compile error in settings.cpp |
| 17:01 | <nevertheless> | there is strKey = = line.mid(0, nSplitPoint); |
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| 17:11 | <nevertheless> | this damn geramik stuff has a biiig mem leak |
| 17:21 | <Chutt> | markie, just skimming your changes |
| 17:21 | <Chutt> | markie, there's no reason to have a separate mythsettings tabl |
| 17:21 | <Chutt> | table |
| 17:23 | <Chutt> | the stuff in themedmenu, where you trigger the theme change is, well, wrong |
| 17:23 | <Chutt> | changing it regardless of if the user actually changed the theme, that is |
| 17:24 | <Chutt> | and stuff should be attached to the 'setup' buttin in the tv menu, not an additional item on the main menu |
| 17:32 | <lichen_> | well shucks, i got my rainbow runner to act as a tuner, no audio in xawtv though :( |
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| 17:43 | <witten> | anyone working on automated commercial removal? |
| 17:43 | <Chutt> | not yet, no |
| 17:43 | <witten> | how would one go about working on it if one decided to do so? |
| 17:43 | <witten> | what's the tell-tale sign of a commercial break? |
| 17:44 | <nevertheless> | the programsigns for example |
| 17:44 | <Chutt> | that's what you'd have to figure out. |
| 17:44 | <witten> | programsigns? |
| 17:44 | <witten> | Chutt: heh |
| 17:44 | <nevertheless> | the logo |
| 17:44 | <nevertheless> | whatever that is called |
| 17:44 | <witten> | nevertheless: what logo? |
| 17:44 | <nevertheless> | or don't you have logos over there? |
| 17:44 | <nevertheless> | sek |
| 17:45 | <witten> | I don't have channel/network logos over commercials here, if that's what you're asking |
| 17:45 | <Universe> | we do but not all changes use then before and after a commercial |
| 17:45 | <Universe> | err not all channels |
| 17:45 | <witten> | oh, I don't see them before and after a commercial here |
| 17:45 | <Universe> | and they can use them right in the middle of a program too |
| 17:45 | <witten> | ahh, tricky |
| 17:45 | <nevertheless> | we have them always besides the ads |
| 17:46 | <witten> | nevertheless: that makes filtering easier |
| 17:46 | <nevertheless> | yeah |
| 17:48 | <nevertheless> | but i think I would not need such a filtering tool |
| 17:48 | <sefudier> | i think it would be quite impossible to make automated removal of ads |
| 17:48 | <witten> | nevertheless: why not? |
| 17:48 | <witten> | sefudier: why is that? |
| 17:49 | <nevertheless> | when watching records you easily could use the edit function to 'remove' them, this is really easy and fast |
| 17:49 | <nevertheless> | I would like the ide to loose half of my recording just becuase smth went wrong |
| 17:50 | <sefudier> | because, the existing scene change detection/frame matching algorithms give too many false positives |
| 17:50 | <nevertheless> | right |
| 17:50 | <witten> | sefudier: what about detecting the blackness between commercials and the show? |
| 17:50 | <sefudier> | unless you want to end up with all the comercial removed, and in 20% of the cases, 1/3 of your program removed also :) |
| 17:50 | <\dmz> | sefudier: combine it with other info, like caption data, etc |
| 17:51 | <sefudier> | witten: what about if a movie has a blackness between two scenes? |
| 17:51 | <sefudier> | what if it doesnt have caption data |
| 17:51 | <witten> | sefudier: maybe it's a different kind of blackness :) |
| 17:52 | <\dmz> | and commercials are usually 30s, 1min, etc |
| 17:53 | <sefudier> | hah, too many ifs :) .. i've grasped a while ago through a wavelet-based frame signing scheme to do scene change detection (friend is working with this now), and the false positives are just too frequent |
| 17:53 | <\dmz> | if you combine all the info you could do pretty good |
| 17:53 | <sefudier> | coupled with other data, you could eventually reduce that, but it wouldnt be perfect, wouldnt work on all cases |
| 17:54 | <sefudier> | maybe this could be done though |
| 17:54 | <lichen_> | hmm.. i getj ust a blue screen when i go to watch live tv :/ |
| 17:54 | <witten> | so I see why no one is working on it.. it's a really difficult problem |
| 17:54 | <sefudier> | i mean, not automatic though.. just as a tool, to help you in the removal (lets say the algo runs through the file, and marks the spots it thinks are the comercials) |
| 17:55 | <sefudier> | like, selecting the intervals.. you would then check if its correct, remove the wrong ones and then delete the comercials |
| 17:55 | <witten> | it would just kick-ass if it could do it on-the-fly :) |
| 17:55 | <witten> | idealistically speaking |
| 17:56 | <sefudier> | here's what my friend has been working with: |
| 17:56 | <sefudier> | http://www.cs.princeton.edu/~wxd/draft.html |
| 17:58 | <sefudier> | basically, its exactly what you want |
| 17:58 | <sefudier> | though it doesnt work on all cases, need some improvements/adaptation |
| 17:59 | <nevertheless> | this ffrwd and frwd with sticky keys is dumb, i would prefer having the same mechanism like in the 'editor' |
| 18:00 | <Chutt> | so make it do that |
| 18:00 | <nevertheless> | :-) |
| 18:01 | <nevertheless> | I think, I'm not deep enaugh into stuff to do that, sadly |
| 18:01 | <nevertheless> | (yet) |
| 18:05 | <lichen_> | if there aren't any channels in the database will i just get a blue screen while watching tv? |
| 18:13 | <witten> | if "television" in mythtv has an input of "None" rather than your tv tuner card, you'll get a blue screen |
| 18:13 | <witten> | or if you're watching composite or something instead of television |
| 18:13 | <lichen_> | hmm, i could have sworn i set it to my cable definition in mythtv-setup |
| 18:14 | <nevertheless> | yes, the should be blue without input, but television, don't know |
| 18:14 | <lichen_> | like i hit c hoping it would switch inputs, but that only switches definedi nputs right? like it doesn't just switch between composite, television or svideo right? |
| 18:16 | <lichen_> | aw what the heck i ran mythfilldatabase, it like found all the stations, and then downloaded pictures for each, and remvoed all conflicting programs, now it looks like its doing it again |
| 18:19 | <Universe> | I think XMLTV changes for schedule changes, etc everytime you run it |
| 18:20 | <lichen_> | ohhh yeah i figured it out, it was doing like a week i think... i just ^c'd it since i had to rerun tv_grab_na --configure anyhow |
| 18:21 | <lichen_> | on an unrelated note, any idea why i wouldn't be getting sound with xawtv? i can play mp3s and stuff with mpg123, so i know /dev/dsp works.. but i dont get any audio.... do you think it might be because of the tuner drivers? |
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| 18:22 | <witten> | do you have your sound card's line in connected to the tv tuner's audio out? |
| 18:22 | <witten> | and the appropriate mixer settings? |
| 18:24 | <lichen_> | oh, no i dont, i just figured it passed through the syste, i didn't see any audio out on the tuner... xawtv -hwscan doesn't show any audio devices though, is that bad? |
| 18:24 | <lichen_> | ahhh so there is audio out! |
| 18:24 | <lichen_> | i am an idiot |
| 18:24 | <lichen_> | now i just gotta find a jack to go from one to the other |
| 18:27 | <lichen_> | haha nice! it works now! |
| 18:30 | <hiren> | I'm looking at the MythTV documentation and I'm confused about one thing. Do I not need two cards ? One a TV Capture card and the other a TV out card to view recorded shows on my TV ? |
| 18:31 | <lichen_> | i ran tv_grab_na --configure and change my grab settings, but when i run mythfilldatabase it still grabs fromt he old settings |
| 18:31 | <nevertheless> | if you want to watch your stuff on tv, you need any tv-out-capable grafic card |
| 18:31 | <nevertheless> | @hiren |
| 18:40 | <Universe> | lichen... setup is the program that sets what channels go into your database |
| 18:41 | <Universe> | and what channels are downloaded with mythfilldatabase... |
| 18:41 | <Universe> | I do not know if there is a way to change the configuration |
| 18:41 | <Universe> | other than running setup |
| 18:41 | <hiren> | nevertheless - I have an ATT cable box and I'm assuming that I would need to connect the ATT box to the Myth Box to the TV , right ? |
| 18:45 | <witten> | http://www.eeng.dcu.ie/~vmpg/papers/ICEIS2001.pdf |
| 18:45 | <witten> | paper on removing commercials |
| 18:49 | <sefudier> | ok.. i suppose i could implement this functionality into mythtv.. (scene detection/signature), you would have to select the scene though, that represents the start of your comercial. it would store the wavelet based signature in a database (just a few bytes), and when it is recognised again in the video it would perform a given action (stop recording, start recording, give a warning, whatever).. |
| 18:49 | <nevertheless> | hiren: i don't know, sorry |
| 18:49 | <sefudier> | witten: that paper uses color/luminance histograms.. its quite inferior to the wavelet approach |
| 18:49 | <hiren> | nevertheless, no problem, thanks for your input |
| 18:50 | <lichen_> | whenever i try ot watch live tv its sitll a blue screen, i ran teh setup and configured it to bind "cable" to the television input... also.. i cant seem to exit mythfrontend, alt-f4 does nothing (like keys.txt says i should use) |
| 18:50 | <nevertheless> | lichen_ same for me with altf4 |
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| 18:53 | <sefudier> | witten: what do you think of the method i proposed? you would have some work to do at the beginning, until you fill your database with the comercial start/end signatures.. also, if your tv doesnt have common start/end of comercial sequences, you would have to do it by detecting the black-frames thing (used in the paper you mentioned) |
| 18:57 | <witten> | sefudier: hm |
| 18:58 | <witten> | sefudier: I think it could work very well, coupled with the muted audio detection |
| 18:59 | <witten> | the only problem I could think of is that most commercials here have black video / muted audio between themselves as well as between them and the actual show |
| 19:00 | <sefudier> | doesnt the show have some special sequence of frames before /after the comercials? |
| 19:00 | <witten> | none that I can see |
| 19:00 | <witten> | it's just black |
| 19:00 | <sefudier> | the show just abruptly ends, going to black screen? |
| 19:00 | <witten> | yup |
| 19:00 | <sefudier> | then comercial, black screen and abrupt start? |
| 19:00 | <sefudier> | thats fucked :) |
| 19:00 | <witten> | yup |
| 19:00 | <witten> | yes :) |
| 19:02 | <witten> | well when I get home I'm gonna watch some of my recorded shows very intently and try to see if the blackness between commercials and the show is different than the blackness between the commercials themselves :) |
| 19:02 | <hiren> | Anyone tried to build a Myth box with a Shuttle FS51G box ? |
| 19:02 | <sefudier> | ic.. the programs, at least here, have some common scene they show up before going to a commercial |
| 19:03 | <sefudier> | like, with the name of the program or something |
| 19:04 | <lichen_> | heres a godo question, when i run mythfrontend it finds all the probed devices, and then it sayas "sh: 3: command not found" .. any idea there? |
| 19:04 | <lichen_> | some script its running somewhere? |
| 19:04 | <witten> | hiren: no, but I was looking at Liam Li case |
| 19:04 | <witten> | sefudier: not necessarily (here anyway) |
| 19:04 | <witten> | er, Lian Li |
| 19:05 | <witten> | hiren: http://www.dansdata.com/images/llpc9300/pc9300520.jpg |
| 19:06 | <nevertheless> | witten: nice :) |
| 19:06 | <witten> | only problem is it's hard to find a place that sell it, and the cheapest price I've seen is US$115.. and no power supply is included |
| 19:06 | <lichen_> | also, going to setup in mythfrontend does nothing |
| 19:07 | <hiren> | witten: indeed, it looks nice |
| 19:07 | <sefudier> | ic.. another possibility of usage for this.. lets say you want to record a show in a station, but the schedule is pretty random.. i.e. it starts at different times every day (+- 10 min range), you could have it looking at the station until it finds the signature of the start of the show, and then it would start recording |
| 19:07 | <hiren> | I'm trying to figure out whether I can build a myth box using the shuttle sytem. I read on the list that one shoudl go for a good sound card and a good capture card. |
| 19:08 | <hiren> | This systems comes with only two slots open - 1 AGP and 1 PCI and the rest is built in |
| 19:10 | <hiren> | would the onboard audio - Realtek ALC 650 be enough ? |
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| 19:18 | <witten> | hiren: it may or may not be |
| 19:18 | <witten> | hiren: I've seen both fairly good and very shitty onboard audio |
| 19:18 | <witten> | then again, the same can be said of various sound cards |
| 19:19 | <Universe> | hiren... I am guessing those systems do not come with svideo or composite out? |
| 19:19 | <Universe> | so you will have to use the AGP slot for a video card |
| 19:20 | <Universe> | of course... its not possible to have anything else except for a video card in a AGP slot so it doesn't make any difference. |
| 19:22 | <lichen_> | arg whenever i try to watch live tv i get thsi error: channel '0' has no tuner (composite) and in myth ij ust get a blue picture.. any ideas? |
| 19:22 | <lichen_> | i have "cable" setup to define television on the tuner card |
| 19:22 | <Chutt> | hit 'c' a couple times |
| 19:23 | <lichen_> | i tried.. i only have one input defined anyhow though |
| 19:23 | <Chutt> | err |
| 19:23 | <Chutt> | how many inputs are on the card, though? |
| 19:24 | <lichen_> | 3 |
| 19:24 | <Chutt> | is television the first one? |
| 19:24 | <lichen_> | composite, svideo and television, no, third |
| 19:25 | <Chutt> | it defaults to the first one. |
| 19:25 | <lichen_> | even if the other three are assigned to nothing? |
| 19:25 | <Chutt> | right. |
| 19:25 | <lichen_> | like ther eis only one line in the cardinput table |
| 19:25 | <Chutt> | ok, what did i just say? |
| 19:26 | <lichen_> | okayokay.. but its still blue even if i hit c twice |
| 19:26 | <Chutt> | what's the osd say? |
| 19:27 | <lichen_> | nothing, it doesn't show up at all |
| 19:27 | <Chutt> | uh, sure. |
| 19:28 | <lichen_> | yeah, nothing :( i hit i and its still blue... i get a lot of "delaying to next trigger" while watching livetv though, i guess thats just debug stuff? |
| 19:28 | <Chutt> | no. |
| 19:29 | <lichen_> | hah well i know you havebetter things to od than to help some guy that cant get your stuff to work... any place i should start looking? i know its all correctly setup through mythtv-setup |
| 19:31 | <Chutt> | not really, no |
| 19:43 | <hiren> | where would I look to check that the hardware on the Shuttle box would be supported by Myth ? |
| 19:43 | <witten> | hiren: google groups.. put in "linux" and the shuttle model name |
| 19:44 | <witten> | hiren: that's usually how I figure out if linux support certain hardware |
| 19:44 | <hiren> | doing it right now. I'm more concerned about the audio |
| 19:44 | <witten> | hiren: btw, how much is the shuttle box w/ the mobo? |
| 19:44 | <witten> | hiren: well figure out what audio chipset it uses and whether that's supported |
| 19:45 | <hiren> | $869 with 256 RAM and 40 GB, DVD |
| 19:45 | <hiren> | http://www.centralcomputer.com/PriceList/Systems/Intel/Mini%20Shuttle.htm |
| 19:46 | <witten> | dang |
| 19:46 | <witten> | that's a lot |
| 19:46 | <Markie> | chutt, you there? |
| 19:47 | <hiren> | i''m interested in it for 2 reasons - small footprint -, it would fit in the TV room and also at a hosting site |
| 19:47 | <witten> | hiren: btw, I've had some horrid experiences with via ac '97 onboard sound chipsets |
| 19:47 | <witten> | hiren: weird form-factor though.. |
| 19:48 | <hiren> | any recommendations for a PC that would be hosting site friendly ? |
| 19:48 | <witten> | I think I'd prefer something more VCR like in shape/size |
| 19:48 | <Chutt> | markie, yup |
| 19:48 | <witten> | hiren: anything in rack format :) |
| 19:48 | <witten> | like a 1U |
| 19:48 | <Markie> | can you tell me it again? |
| 19:48 | <Markie> | about the settings stuff |
| 19:48 | <hiren> | would I be able to fit a Capture card in a 1 U form factor ? |
| 19:49 | <witten> | hiren: hell no :) |
| 19:49 | <Chutt> | no |
| 19:49 | <hiren> | exactly :) |
| 19:49 | <witten> | hiren: but why do you want to colocate a box with a tv capture card? |
| 19:49 | <Chutt> | i figured it'd be easier for me to just fix everything myself |
| 19:49 | <hiren> | hence the shuttle box |
| 19:49 | <Markie> | ok |
| 19:49 | <Markie> | sorry :^( |
| 19:49 | <hiren> | we're trying to figure out a solution for a business problem which is interesting |
| 19:50 | <witten> | hiren: which is..? |
| 19:50 | <hiren> | the challenge is to capture a TV /radio broadcast via satellite and stream it so that a team of transcriptionits can transcribe |
| 19:50 | <Markie> | i'll wait for your commit..i wanna see what you fixed so that i can finish adding to it without you yelling at me :^) ;^) |
| 19:51 | <witten> | hiren: oh ok |
| 19:51 | <hiren> | or caption it |
| 19:51 | <Markie> | hiren: why transcribe? why not use the CC text? |
| 19:51 | <Markie> | it's alreayd transcribed |
| 19:51 | <witten> | hiren: well just use a standard ATX beige box.. no use paying for a pretty case if it's colo'd and no one's gonna see it |
| 19:51 | <hiren> | Colo's charge per the rack space you use |
| 19:52 | <hiren> | greater the real estate , higher the price |
| 19:52 | <witten> | hiren: right, but do any of them have racks build for little shuttle boxes? |
| 19:52 | <Chutt> | a quarter rack isn't all that expensive |
| 19:52 | <witten> | it's not like they measure the case width, do they? |
| 19:52 | <Chutt> | and you can fit, what, 3 standard sized tower cases in a quarter? |
| 19:53 | <hiren> | good question. I have to find out |
| 19:53 | <Chutt> | just buy 2Us |
| 19:53 | <lichen_> | awesome.. i got it working, now its like choppy at 480x480 using rtjpeg while watching livetv |
| 19:53 | <witten> | well do some research before you blow money on a pretty case.. unless you're planning to give clients a tour of the facilities or something :) |
| 19:53 | <witten> | lichen: try 352x240.. should be faster |
| 19:53 | <hiren> | 2Us will get me space for 3 tower PCS ? |
| 19:53 | <Chutt> | err, no |
| 19:54 | <Chutt> | i meant for cases |
| 19:54 | <lichen_> | awesome ill try that, thanks |
| 19:54 | <witten> | lichen: what processor? |
| 19:55 | <hiren> | witten: good point. on a parallel track, I would like to have the box sit in my family/TV/home theater room and I wouldn't want to put a beige or a Tower PC |
| 19:56 | <lichen_> | 1ghz |
| 19:57 | <Markie> | i got my videoserver in my attic |
| 19:57 | <Universe> | hmm... a 1 gig should handle 480x480... |
| 19:57 | <Markie> | it's too noisy for the TV room |
| 19:57 | <lichen_> | handle it during livetv? |
| 19:57 | <Universe> | what type of processor lichen? AMD, Pen, Celeron, etc? |
| 19:57 | <lichen_> | yeah i dont understand, its like choppy |
| 19:57 | <lichen_> | amd |
| 19:58 | <hiren> | witten: you indicated that you had bad experince with the AC"97 audio , so I guess the shuttle box is out as I can't fit anything else in the box |
| 19:59 | <Universe> | my 700 can almost run 480x480 with mpeg4 |
| 19:59 | <Universe> | of course.. thats from the CVS with mdz's updates |
| 19:59 | <witten> | hiren: definitely.. a pretty case does have its place :) |
| 20:00 | <witten> | Markie: how do you have it in the attic and yet connected to your TV? |
| 20:00 | <witten> | Universe: I have a 1.2 ghz athlon and 480x480 is sometimes choppy (skips occasionally) |
| 20:00 | <witten> | 352x240 works wonderfully and takes very little cpu time |
| 20:00 | <Markie> | written: umm actually i went overboard |
| 20:00 | <witten> | Markie: how so? |
| 20:00 | <Universe> | written: with the new cvs changes and mpeg4? |
| 20:01 | <Markie> | i have a 50' S-Video connector running down through the wall, and i also bought a ntsc modulator and i have it broadcasting to channel 65 in my house |
| 20:01 | <witten> | hiren: well it could be that the particular mobo I was using had a particular bad via ac 97 chipset.. maybe the shuttle one is better.. I wouldn't rule it out |
| 20:01 | <witten> | Universe: no. I'm running the last release and rtjpeg |
| 20:01 | <witten> | Universe: whenever I try mpeg4 it's visibily much worse than rtjpeg |
| 20:01 | <Markie> | then for audio, i just have audio out running down through the wall , and of course the modulator is also modulating it on 65 |
| 20:02 | <witten> | Markie: nice |
| 20:02 | <Markie> | heh |
| 20:02 | <Universe> | mpeg4 actualy works better on my p3 700 |
| 20:02 | <Universe> | now |
| 20:02 | <witten> | Markie: what's this channel 65 business? I don't understand.. |
| 20:02 | <Markie> | then i have the serial cable running down too, for the remote control :^) |
| 20:02 | <witten> | Universe: you don't see any glaring visual artifacts? |
| 20:02 | <Markie> | written: just the default channel that the moulator i bought is set to. |
| 20:02 | <witten> | Markie: oh dear :) |
| 20:02 | <Universe> | witten: not at all |
| 20:02 | <Markie> | for $75, it couldnt be better :^) |
| 20:03 | <Markie> | it'll do any channel form 65-135 |
| 20:03 | <witten> | Markie: what's the point of the modulator? I don't know that much about TV stuff |
| 20:03 | <Markie> | ohh.. |
| 20:03 | <hiren> | Markie: A very interesting setup |
| 20:03 | <witten> | Universe: is mpeg4 encoding better in cvs or something? |
| 20:03 | <Markie> | well it modulates the signal on 65, then i have a combiner that splices it into the cable in the house |
| 20:03 | <Markie> | so all the tv's see channel 65 |
| 20:03 | <witten> | hmm |
| 20:03 | <Markie> | can broadcast the movides, mp3's ..etc..to any tv |
| 20:04 | <Markie> | i love it! |
| 20:04 | <Markie> | i have 550Gig of hard drive space in it! |
| 20:04 | <hiren> | Markie: I should explore it , then I could have the box sit in my study and do double duty as a general purpose computer as well as a PVR |
| 20:04 | <Universe> | witten: yes... they were able to take out something like 3 or 4 full frame copies.. |
| 20:04 | <witten> | Markie: that rocks |
| 20:04 | <Markie> | umm..lemme get the exact modulator..hold a sec..i know it's cablevision |
| 20:04 | <hiren> | Markie: Your setup is cool! |
| 20:05 | <witten> | Universe: cool.. I guess I'll wait til the next release and then give 480x480 another try and also mpeg4 |
| 20:05 | <hiren> | Markie: I've been trying to figure out how to get a recorder show on to the TV in the garage and I think your setup gives me ideas. |
| 20:05 | <witten> | Markie: you should put up a site with details and stuff :) |
| 20:05 | <Markie> | channelvision |
| 20:05 | <witten> | we should start an HTPC mailing list :) |
| 20:05 | <Markie> | r-e1200 |
| 20:05 | <witten> | if there isn't one already |
| 20:05 | <hiren> | Markie: I second witten's suggestion |
| 20:06 | <lichen_> | hey whats the ntsc resolution? |
| 20:06 | <Markie> | http://www.securityideas.com/securitycam/chanvise1rfm.html |
| 20:06 | <Markie> | good idea..i never thought of it.. |
| 20:06 | <Markie> | actually it could be a case study/example of mythtv! :^) |
| 20:06 | <Markie> | for $77, the modulator is _awesome_ |
| 20:07 | <Markie> | right now i'm running win XP and zoomplayer |
| 20:07 | <Markie> | but it's all sooo limited |
| 20:07 | <Markie> | thats why i wanna help so much with mythtv |
| 20:08 | <Markie> | the only thing that was holding me back was the PVR..that until now, was only avaialble in windows |
| 20:10 | <witten> | markie: what do you use for receiving the IR remote signal? |
| 20:10 | <Markie> | umm..i actually have a couple of things too :^) |
| 20:10 | <Markie> | i built the homebrew IR receiver from lirc |
| 20:10 | <Markie> | it's really easy |
| 20:11 | <Markie> | then i also bought (before i ran the serial cable) one of those RF infrared extenders. |
| 20:11 | <Markie> | the RF extender SUCKS! |
| 20:11 | <Markie> | dont buy one of them. it's was $45 and doesnt work for crap |
| 20:11 | <witten> | hehe |
| 20:11 | <Markie> | and in windows, i use "UIRC" for the software |
| 20:12 | <witten> | you should put up a page on how to build the homebrew IR receiver too ;) |
| 20:12 | <Markie> | it's on lirc.org |
| 20:12 | <witten> | I have an IRMAN ($35) |
| 20:12 | <witten> | really? |
| 20:13 | <Markie> | yep |
| 20:13 | <lichen_> | hmm okay, now my only problems are.. its choppy as crap, and i have no audio :( |
| 20:13 | <Universe> | did you try 352x240? |
| 20:13 | <lichen_> | yeah.. it was still a little choppy |
| 20:14 | <Chutt> | harddrive. |
| 20:14 | <witten> | lichen: turn off seti@home :) |
| 20:15 | <lichen_> | hahahah funny |
| 20:16 | <Universe> | do have hdparm |
| 20:16 | <Universe> | see how fast your HD is that you are using to store the files on |
| 20:17 | <witten> | and make sure dma is enabled for the harddrive |
| 20:17 | <Universe> | that too |
| 20:17 | <witten> | it just occurred to me that I should probably password my mythweb installation.. |
| 20:17 | <witten> | I might come home one day and find my harddrive full of oprah recordings |
| 20:18 | <Universe> | lol |
| 20:28 | <Universe> | hmm... I wonder if radio shack has the parts to put the home brew IR receiver |
| 20:29 | <Universe> | err build the home berw IR receiver |
| 20:32 | <lichen_> | hmm, timing buffered disk rads, 1.96MB/sec |
| 20:32 | <lichen_> | s/rads/reads/ |
| 20:32 | <Chutt> | see, that's just a _tad_ on the slow side |
| 20:32 | <Chutt> | my box get ~40MB/sec |
| 20:33 | <Chutt> | turn on dma, for one |
| 20:33 | <lichen_> | lemme hook up this other 30gig i have laying around thatia ctually plan on using to store stuff :) |
| 20:37 | <Chutt> | markie, it's in CVS now. |
| 20:38 | <Chutt> | if you have any questions about what i changed, lemme know. |
| 20:42 | <Markie> | thanks Chutt |
| 20:42 | <Markie> | Chutt, your 40M/sec, is that SCSI or IDE ? |
| 20:42 | <Chutt> | ide |
| 20:43 | <Markie> | holy cripes..what drive? |
| 20:43 | <lichen_> | yeah how the crap do you do that? my decent WD 7200rpm only gets like 4 |
| 20:43 | <Chutt> | that's fairly normal for newer hardware |
| 20:43 | <Chutt> | lichen, i seriously doubt that |
| 20:43 | <Markie> | my brand new Maxtor 160G is only 29 |
| 20:43 | <Chutt> | unless you don't have dma turned on at all |
| 20:43 | <Markie> | with the ata133 pci adapter |
| 20:43 | <Chutt> | it's a maxtor 80G, 7200 rpm |
| 20:44 | <Markie> | chutt, linux shold automatically have dma turned on, right? |
| 20:44 | <Chutt> | no, it doesn't |
| 20:44 | <Markie> | no? |
| 20:44 | <lichen_> | i believe it is.. pardon my stupidness though, but how i can check? hdparm -i shows all the dma modes i thought |
| 20:44 | <witten> | Chutt: depends on the kernel options |
| 20:44 | <Markie> | mine says PIO for the mode |
| 20:44 | <Chutt> | witten, right, and most distributions have that off |
| 20:44 | <Chutt> | lichen, hdparm -d /dev/hdX |
| 20:45 | <lichen_> | yeah it is off.. hmm |
| 20:45 | <lichen_> | on both drives.. good call |
| 20:45 | <Markie> | using_dma = 1 (on) |
| 20:46 | <Markie> | stil timed buffer reads 29M |
| 20:46 | <Markie> | it's only 5400 RPM..thats probably a big chunk |
| 20:46 | <Chutt> | not really |
| 20:46 | <Markie> | hrm..i'll test my wd tomorrow..i wonder what the issue is |
| 20:47 | <nevertheless> | hmmm, the current cvs crashes when switching livetv on with: |
| 20:47 | <nevertheless> | Couldn't find osdtheme: defaultosd |
| 20:47 | <nevertheless> | Segmentation fault |
| 20:48 | <Chutt> | works fine for me. |
| 20:49 | <Chutt> | make sure you did a make clean |
| 20:49 | <Chutt> | and removed any old libmyth* files in /usr/local/lib |
| 20:49 | <nevertheless> | i did (an uninstall) |
| 20:50 | <Chutt> | not finding the default osd theme isn't a fatal error. |
| 20:50 | <nevertheless> | ill try again |
| 20:50 | <Markie> | Chutt: did you add the qtThemeSettigns stuff for my stuff, or for your own stuff? |
| 20:51 | <Chutt> | for your stuff |
| 20:51 | <lichen_> | nice, with dma on i get 31MB/s |
| 20:51 | <Markie> | ok...i'll look through it tonight...thanks! |
| 20:53 | <nevertheless> | but the live switching theme stuff is neat :) |
| 20:53 | <Chutt> | it doesn't save it |
| 20:58 | <witten> | I just did hdparm -d 1 /dev/hda on my box at home and now it no longer responds to pings and my ssh session died :) |
| 21:03 | <nevertheless> | ok, the cvs runs now, don't know, what it was |
| 21:05 | <hiren> | can you guys give me some hardware recommendation ? I'm researching linux support for the REaltek ALC 650 |
| 21:08 | <hiren> | My current configuration is - Shuttle SS51G, Intel 2.0 GHz, 512 MB, 80GB, GE Force MX440 TV-Out, Lifeview TV Capture and a USB wireless adapter = $1356 |
| 21:09 | <hiren> | This configuration takes up all the open slots in the system , so the sound needs to work with MytthTV |
| 21:10 | <nevertheless> | if it works with linux, it works with mythtv, too |
| 21:10 | <hiren> | I don't see much data on RealTek ALC-650 on Google, except that it works with kernel 2.4.17 and higher and ALSA 0.9RC1 |
| 21:10 | <nevertheless> | so better google for the linux support, don't think anybody here can help you about this question, sorry |
| 21:10 | <nevertheless> | so where is the problem? |
| 21:11 | <hiren> | One of the posts on the Myth list had suggested not to crimp on a Sound card and I have no idea how good the integrated sound is |
| 21:12 | <witten> | woot, found that lian li case for $109! |
| 21:13 | <hiren> | I'm admittedly not very knowledgeable about the features of diferent sound cards |
| 21:13 | <witten> | argh, and it's sold out |
| 21:14 | <hiren> | so I don't want to end saddled with a system which have all high end parts but the audio sucks. The lack of an empty PCI slot makes it a more difficult decision ( if I had one, then I would just buy another sound card) |
| 21:14 | <witten> | hiren: dood, get a case with more slots |
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| 21:17 | <blahblechblam> | Hi |
| 21:18 | <hiren> | witten: I'm looking at other cases now. |
| 21:19 | <hiren> | Any cases with a low fan noise that can be placed in the TV room ? |
| 21:19 | <witten> | hiren: you'd probably have to buy low-decibel fans and slap them on |
| 21:21 | <hiren> | on a different note, is everyone running MythTV as a dedicated box ? |
| 21:21 | <nevertheless> | i will do so, hiren |
| 21:21 | <witten> | hiren: I'm not. but I'm trying to build one |
| 21:21 | <Universe> | I am running one as a server/mythtv box.. |
| 21:22 | <hiren> | Universe: please tell more, is the performance good and what is your configuration ? I"m assuming that it is connected to the TV |
| 21:23 | <sefudier> | im about to get one.. (tomorrow, hopefully) |
| 21:23 | <Universe> | hiren... is it connected to a monitor next to my computer... |
| 21:23 | <nevertheless> | ill buy my one next week :) |
| 21:23 | <sefudier> | ill go full atx though, dont care about a big box by the side of the tv :) |
| 21:24 | <nevertheless> | me too |
| 21:24 | <Universe> | it is a P3 700, running at 352x240 mpeg4 |
| 21:24 | <Universe> | so it isn't a dedicated box for TV only |
| 21:24 | <sefudier> | i'd rather have more space, and be able to put in a live, decent tv-out card, dxr3, and 1 or more tuners |
| 21:25 | <Universe> | my Tivo is still alive and unless it dies or I get a better paying job, it will not be replaced anytime soon... |
| 21:36 | <hiren> | sefudier: what is dxr3 ? what would be a decent TV-out card ? |
| 21:39 | <sefudier> | dxr3/hollywood+.. hardware mpeg1/2 decoder card with tv-out.. can output divx also through mpeg reencoding and playback on the fly.. the quality i get with it is way better than wit |
