| 00:00 | <sefudier> | ahh ok :) |
| 00:01 | <sefudier> | if i recall correctly the error was after it tried copying the dir for blue |
| 00:01 | <sefudier> | some error like: dir already exists |
| 00:01 | <sefudier> | and then it stopped the rest of the copying (only blue got properly copied) |
| 00:02 | <sefudier> | chutt: i dont know if this is what should be happening but if i type say: 019 from any other channel |
| 00:03 | <sefudier> | 019 will fade out and ill still be in the channel i was (i.e. its not changing channels) |
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| 01:27 | <kaveh420> | anyone here? |
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| 02:09 | <soleblaze> | hi |
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| 06:39 | <SoB> | anyone up" |
| 06:44 | <SoB> | =( |
| 06:47 | <dmz> | .. |
| 06:51 | <SoB> | hi |
| 06:52 | <dmz> | Playing MPEG stream from South Park Mexicans (SPM) - Wiggy Wiggy.mp3 ... |
| 06:52 | <dmz> | wakeup music |
| 06:52 | <SoB> | heh |
| 06:52 | <SoB> | this might be a stupid question, my first mythtv install =) |
| 06:53 | <SoB> | I'm getting this error when trying to run setup: QSqlDatabase warning: QMYSQL3 driver not loaded |
| 06:53 | <SoB> | what did I miss? hehe |
| 06:55 | <dmz> | http://doc.trolltech.com/3.0/sql-driver.html#QMYSQL3 |
| 06:55 | <SoB> | ty |
| 06:58 | <nevertheless> | SoB if you have the sql-plugin, you need to tell qt to search in the correct directory (~/.qt/qtrc) |
| 06:58 | <SoB> | qt returns this: QSqlDatabase: available drivers: |
| 06:58 | <SoB> | I don't think I have any more then the default |
| 06:59 | <nevertheless> | do you have $QTDIR/plugins/sql... ? |
| 06:59 | <SoB> | no |
| 06:59 | <nevertheless> | then you have to compile the plugin |
| 07:00 | <SoB> | I also don't have plugins/src |
| 07:00 | <nevertheless> | did you compile from source? |
| 07:00 | <SoB> | I'm using gentoo and just emerged it |
| 07:01 | <nevertheless> | oh, im using gentoo, too :-) |
| 07:01 | <nevertheless> | do you have the mysql useflag set? |
| 07:01 | <SoB> | ? |
| 07:01 | <SoB> | how would I check |
| 07:01 | <nevertheless> | check your /etc/make.conf for USE |
| 07:02 | <SoB> | oh |
| 07:02 | <SoB> | useflag |
| 07:02 | <SoB> | lol |
| 07:02 | <nevertheless> | jes |
| 07:02 | <nevertheless> | yes |
| 07:02 | <SoB> | its not |
| 07:02 | <SoB> | set that and re-emerge qt? |
| 07:02 | <nevertheless> | yes |
| 07:02 | <nevertheless> | then it compiles the qt-plugin |
| 07:02 | <SoB> | bummer, qt takes forever |
| 07:02 | <nevertheless> | i know |
| 07:03 | <SoB> | what about just compiling the plugin |
| 07:03 | <SoB> | I'm reading this page, it seems so simple if I just had the plugins/src directory |
| 07:04 | <nevertheless> | yes, but due to the ebuild structure, this seems to be complicated... you can unpack qt and do that compile thing |
| 07:05 | <SoB> | I guess either way I'm screwed to recompiling it =/ |
| 07:05 | <SoB> | I can't wait to see what mythtv is like |
| 07:06 | <SoB> | I own a tivo |
| 07:07 | <nevertheless> | Im fighting with the german stuff of mythtv/mythfilldata |
| 07:07 | <SoB> | wouldn't know exactly what you're talkin about just yet |
| 07:07 | <nevertheless> | now it works with the channels, but while filling the db it removes all programs due to confilcts |
| 07:08 | <SoB> | =/ |
| 07:13 | <SoB> | hah! |
| 07:13 | <nevertheless> | hah? |
| 07:13 | <SoB> | portage/qt-3.0.5-r2/work/qt-x11-free-3.0.5/plugins/src/sqldrivers/mysql/ |
| 07:13 | <SoB> | sphynx mysql # qmake -o Makefile "INCLUDEPATH+=/usr/lib" "LIBS+=-L/usr/lib/ -lmysqlclient" mysql.pro |
| 07:13 | <SoB> | worked |
| 07:13 | <nevertheless> | nice :-) |
| 07:13 | <SoB> | didn't have to recompile qt |
| 07:14 | <SoB> | sweet |
| 07:17 | <nevertheless> | hmmm, where comes this: DB Error: Program insertion failed, SQL query was: |
| 07:17 | <nevertheless> | INSERT INTO program (chanid,starttime,endtime,title,subtitle,description,category) VALUES(1027, 200211222345, 200211230030, "Blond am Freitag", "", "Comedytalk.Moderation: Ralph Morgenstern; Gste: Verona Feldbusch, Hella von Sinnen, Gabi Decker, Kim Fisher.", "unbekannt") ? |
| 07:18 | <SoB> | interresting |
| 07:18 | <SoB> | that sql query is formatted right |
| 07:24 | <nevertheless> | damn |
| 07:28 | <SoB> | I'm missing a lot of perl modules to run xmltv |
| 07:28 | <nevertheless> | then install them, but: |
| 07:29 | <nevertheless> | you have to check your directorys |
| 07:29 | <SoB> | ? |
| 07:29 | <SoB> | check my directories? |
| 07:30 | <nevertheless> | some perl stuff is installed to /usr/lib/site_perl/ and some to /usr/lib/perl5/ |
| 07:31 | <SoB> | oic |
| 07:31 | <nevertheless> | you have to mv everyting out of /usr/lib/site_perl/<VER> to /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/<ver> and then link it |
| 07:31 | <nevertheless> | ln -s /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/<ver> /usr/lib/site_perl/<ver> |
| 07:32 | <SoB> | ya, all set there =) |
| 07:32 | <SoB> | damnit |
| 07:32 | <SoB> | this isn't even the machine I'm planning to use mythtv with |
| 07:32 | <SoB> | heh |
| 07:33 | <nevertheless> | hmmm, same with me |
| 07:33 | <SoB> | I won't be getting the mobo I need until later next week and I wanted to play in the meantime, can't believe I'll have to do all the v4l stuff and all this stuff over again! |
| 07:34 | <nevertheless> | this is dumb, I have xinerama running, and mythtv spread the picture over all displays |
| 07:34 | <SoB> | damn, I have xinerama runnin too |
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| 08:22 | <sefudier> | heya |
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| 09:46 | <_shad> | Chutt: You around? |
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| 09:57 | <sefudier> | hi |
| 09:59 | <_shad> | yo |
| 10:58 | <_shad> | Any reason why when I try to change the channel mythtv freezes? |
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| 11:27 | <rnc> | I generated a xml file similar to what tv_grab_na would do, for my local cable company. How do I get it into mythtv ? I'm browsing mythfilldatabase, and I can see tv_grab_{uk,de} hardcoded |
| 11:27 | <rnc> | how do I manually add mine ? |
| 11:32 | <_shad> | heh |
| 11:32 | <_shad> | if you really want |
| 11:32 | <_shad> | just remove tv_grab_na and rename yours to that |
| 11:32 | <_shad> | :) |
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| 12:03 | <dmz> | im looking at this howto.. |
| 12:03 | <dmz> | http://www3.sympatico.ca/dan.eriksen/matrox_tvout/ |
| 12:04 | * paperclip | looks |
| 12:04 | <dmz> | it sounds like a pita |
| 12:05 | <paperclip> | hmm.. does that card have the mjpeg hardware? |
| 12:05 | <dmz> | dont think so |
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| 12:06 | <paperclip> | sucks.. |
| 12:06 | <paperclip> | the g400 seems like the best choice |
| 12:06 | <paperclip> | er.. g400tv or whatever it's called.. |
| 12:07 | <dmz> | i got this link off the mailing list |
| 12:07 | <dmz> | http://www.aitech.com/wc_plus-details.htm |
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| 12:09 | <paperclip> | that's a confusing product.. |
| 12:09 | <paperclip> | WTF does it do.. |
| 12:10 | <paperclip> | looks like it's just a monitor -> tv dongle.. |
| 12:11 | <paperclip> | No software drivers |
| 12:11 | <paperclip> | that's freaky.. |
| 12:11 | <dmz> | yea |
| 12:11 | <paperclip> | the only reason you hook it to the pc is for power =) |
| 12:13 | <paperclip> | what are you trying to do? |
| 12:13 | <dmz> | i've used one before that required you to use 640x480@60hz res only |
| 12:13 | <dmz> | get stuff on a tv |
| 12:14 | <paperclip> | isn't TV in the tricky part |
| 12:15 | <dmz> | i guess, lots of that hardware sucks too |
| 12:15 | <paperclip> | i'm thinking aobut getting a hauppage wintv-d from ebay.. ~$100 |
| 12:15 | <paperclip> | supposedly it can do 480p |
| 12:16 | <paperclip> | tv out i havn't looked into yet.. |
| 12:16 | <mdz_> | does it work with the bttv driver? |
| 12:16 | <paperclip> | i think so.. |
| 12:16 | <Chutt> | uh, i doubt it. |
| 12:16 | <paperclip> | i googled and saw people were using it with linux.. |
| 12:16 | * paperclip | investigates further.. |
| 12:17 | <paperclip> | there is a new haupage hd product coming out in a few days.. |
| 12:17 | <Chutt> | and guess what, it won't have linux support either |
| 12:17 | <paperclip> | why not.. |
| 12:17 | <Chutt> | because hauppauge doesn't write linux drivers? |
| 12:18 | <paperclip> | i don't think they wrote the bt8xx drivers either.. |
| 12:19 | <Chutt> | that's my point. |
| 12:19 | <dmz> | The WinTV-D board accepts both standard Analog broadcasts, as well |
| 12:19 | <dmz> | as HDTV signals. The HDTV signals are downsized to 480i interlaced. |
| 12:20 | * paperclip | googles more |
| 12:21 | <dmz> | http://www.hauppauge.com/html/wintvdfaq.htm |
| 12:22 | <dmz> | what are these wintv-pvr cards.. |
| 12:22 | <Chutt> | also unsupported. |
| 12:23 | <paperclip> | i do recall seeing something about epga on the wintv-d |
| 12:24 | <paperclip> | hm.. so win-radio and win-theater would be the best, presently supported, hauppage products.. |
| 12:25 | <Chutt> | i don't think the sound on the wintv-theater is fully supported |
| 12:26 | <paperclip> | hmm.. i really don't see any advantage to having pro logic on the card anyway.. |
| 12:26 | <paperclip> | well.. the wintv-radio is cheap.. |
| 12:26 | <Chutt> | got mine for $70 back in june |
| 12:26 | <dmz> | WinTV-PVR-350.. coming soon |
| 12:26 | <paperclip> | anyone thinking about a radio interface.. |
| 12:26 | <dmz> | that looks pretty sweet |
| 12:27 | <dmz> | if it only had linux drivers |
| 12:27 | <Chutt> | you wouldn't want to use the mpeg decoder, though |
| 12:27 | <dmz> | they have one without that for $150 now |
| 12:28 | <dmz> | http://www.hauppauge.com/html/wintvpvr250_datasheet.htm |
| 12:29 | <paperclip> | somehow the heroine virtual guy(s) are using the wintv-d for capture.. |
| 12:30 | <Chutt> | it probably works as a normal bt8x8 card |
| 12:30 | <Chutt> | without any of the other features. |
| 12:30 | <paperclip> | hmm.. |
| 12:30 | <paperclip> | they specifically mention 480p |
| 12:30 | * paperclip | finds it agian |
| 12:30 | <Chutt> | well, the hauppauge faq says it only does 480i :p |
| 12:32 | <paperclip> | oop |
| 12:32 | <paperclip> | s |
| 12:32 | * paperclip | knows shit about HDTV (if you can't tell) |
| 12:33 | <dmz> | i wonder if there are any good ntsc to firewire boxes |
| 12:33 | <dmz> | that could be used |
| 12:38 | <paperclip> | /usr/src/linux-2.4/drivers/media/video/bttv-cards.c: { 0x39000070, |
| 12:38 | <paperclip> | BTTV_HAUPPAUGE878, "Hauppauge WinTV-D" }, |
| 12:39 | <mdz_> | paperclip: you'll notice there is an entry in that table for the PVR model as well. but it only supports the same features as on the plain WinTV cards |
| 12:40 | <paperclip> | yeah.. i was pointing out that it used bttv 8xx |
| 12:40 | <paperclip> | i may get one anyway.. |
| 12:41 | <paperclip> | seems like there is some effort to get it working with linux.. |
| 12:41 | <paperclip> | how is the capture quality from these cards? |
| 12:43 | <paperclip> | i found a site mentioning that bttv is the worst video capture known to man.. |
| 12:44 | <vektor> | paperclip: What site? |
| 12:44 | <vektor> | Or did it just state that without justification? |
| 12:45 | <paperclip> | http://www.reedmedia.net/misc/video/video-and-bsd.html |
| 12:45 | <paperclip> | "BrookTree compatible cards (most of them are TV Tuners with NO Video Out), which are the crap cards for video capture. " |
| 12:46 | <paperclip> | i added the known to man bit.. |
| 12:46 | <mdz_> | I saw a review which compared the ATI all-in-wonder capture to the WinTV-PVR, and gave the ATI much higher marks |
| 12:46 | <mdz_> | but the review was fishy, they didn't give many details about how they did their test |
| 12:46 | <vektor> | paperclip: Well, they really state without any reasoning. It's not a very good argument. |
| 12:46 | <paperclip> | vektor: how do you think the quality is? |
| 12:47 | <paperclip> | vektor: i still think they "might" know what they are talking about.. they are a video production company.. |
| 12:47 | <vektor> | paperclip: The comb filter isn't great and any internal tuner is going to suck. Other then that I think they're excellent. |
| 12:48 | <vektor> | I mean, it's very programmable and gives you everything you ask for. |
| 12:48 | <vektor> | As far as analog capture goes, I don't know what would be better. |
| 12:48 | <paperclip> | hmm.. so if i'm using dishnetwork.. and s-video.. it should be ok |
| 12:48 | <vektor> | I guess. |
| 12:48 | <vektor> | You should do component if you can, of course. |
| 12:48 | <vektor> | Or do a dishnetwork SDI output hack. |
| 12:48 | <vektor> | And buy one of these: |
| 12:49 | <vektor> | http://www.sdisilk.com |
| 12:49 | <vektor> | But you might have to hack a bit to get linux drivers working. |
| 12:49 | <paperclip> | what's sdi? |
| 12:51 | <paperclip> | that looks like it might be out of my legue (pricewise) for a while.. |
| 12:52 | <vektor> | SDI is 'serial digital interface' |
| 12:52 | <paperclip> | ahh.. |
| 12:52 | <vektor> | Regardless, that card also supports analog component input. |
| 12:52 | <vektor> | I'm not sure what other cards do. I wouldn't mind one. |
| 12:52 | <vektor> | S-Video sucks because it mixes the U and V channels together, and they must be filtered to separate them by the bt878 chip. |
| 12:53 | <vektor> | With composite video you have one signal and you need to separate all three of Y, U and V. |
| 12:53 | <vektor> | So, S-Video is a _huge_ step up from composite video, since the Y channel is very important, but having good colour means keeping U and V separate as well. |
| 12:53 | <vektor> | BTW this doesn't apply to cable or broadcast TV since it is a composite signal. |
| 12:54 | <paperclip> | hmm.. do dish recievers do component out? |
| 12:54 | <vektor> | But if you have dish network, it would be nice to keep the colour clean between the receiver and your PC. |
| 12:54 | <vektor> | I don't know if they do. Every DVD player does. :) |
| 12:54 | <vektor> | It's when you have three cables for video. |
| 12:54 | <paperclip> | my goal is to get dishnetwork.. eventually.. |
| 12:54 | <vektor> | Y, Pb, Pr is what they're also called. |
| 12:54 | <paperclip> | yeah.. i know what it is.. |
| 12:54 | <vektor> | Oh, you don't have it. |
| 12:54 | <dmz> | vektor: i was looking at some wintv specs |
| 12:54 | <paperclip> | but every dvd player doesn't have it.. |
| 12:54 | <vektor> | paperclip: Any reasonable one does. |
| 12:55 | <paperclip> | true |
| 12:55 | <vektor> | Except some of the cheap crappy ones. |
| 12:55 | <paperclip> | mine does.. |
| 12:55 | <dmz> | they capture 4:2:0 |
| 12:55 | <vektor> | Even my $200 canadian DVD player does. |
| 12:55 | <vektor> | dmz: Yes, it's MPEG-2 MP@ML. |
| 12:55 | <paperclip> | canadian dvd |
| 12:55 | <paperclip> | oh my |
| 12:55 | <vektor> | No I meant $200 CAD. |
| 12:55 | <vektor> | Not $200 USD. |
| 12:55 | <mdz_> | are there any TV-out cards which have component output? |
| 12:55 | <mdz_> | or only converter boxes? |
| 12:55 | <paperclip> | isn't that $CD200 |
| 12:55 | <paperclip> | anyway.. |
| 12:55 | <vektor> | mdz: Good question. I think there are some converter boxes. |
| 12:56 | <mdz_> | vektor: someone on the mailing list has mentioned using a converter with component output, so they would seem to exist |
| 12:56 | <vektor> | mdz: My G400 only dose S-Video output. |
| 12:56 | <dmz> | vektor: isnt that throwing away V ? |
| 12:56 | <vektor> | dmz: No. |
| 12:56 | <vektor> | dmz: 4:2:0 just means that you have less information in the colour channels. |
| 12:56 | <vektor> | dmz: So, broadcast video is 4:2:2, meaning you have half as much colour as you do luma. |
| 12:56 | <mdz_> | my TV has component input that I've never used for anything, ever |
| 12:56 | <vektor> | dmz: In 4:2:0, you have one quarter's worth of colour as you do luma. |
| 12:57 | <vektor> | dmz: All DVDs use 4:2:0 for example. |
| 12:57 | <vektor> | mdz: Buy a DVD player! |
| 12:57 | <paperclip> | mdz_: me too |
| 12:57 | * paperclip | is embarrased |
| 12:57 | <vektor> | You guys are nuts, it's better than S-Video and _alot_ better than composite :) |
| 12:58 | <mdz_> | vektor: why am I nuts? |
| 12:58 | <paperclip> | i like to record from my dvd player.. |
| 12:58 | <mdz_> | I have no need for a DVD player |
| 12:58 | <vektor> | dunno just being a prick :) |
| 12:58 | <paperclip> | besides i mostly watch (s)vcd |
| 12:58 | <vektor> | oh well now you are nuts, DVDs rock. |
| 12:58 | <mdz_> | if I could have bought a TV out card, supported under Linux, with component output, I surely would have |
| 12:58 | <paperclip> | dvd is the work of the devil |
| 12:58 | <vektor> | mdz: me too :) |
| 12:58 | <vektor> | paperclip: Why? |
| 12:59 | <paperclip> | fair use |
| 12:59 | <paperclip> | out the door |
| 12:59 | <mdz_> | paperclip: that is the DMCA you hate, not DVD |
| 12:59 | <vektor> | oh well that's legal crap not technical crap. |
| 12:59 | <vektor> | libdvdcss works just fine for me. |
| 12:59 | <paperclip> | next you'll only be licensing the media.. oh wait.. |
| 12:59 | <paperclip> | mdz_: i don't like that also.. the two are mutually exclusive.. |
| 13:00 | <vektor> | regardless i still collect DVDs. |
| 13:00 | <paperclip> | i get them if they are used/cheap |
| 13:00 | <vektor> | dude, they're all cheap. |
| 13:00 | <paperclip> | i'm trying not to.. but i'm weak |
| 13:01 | <paperclip> | (s)vcd is cheap.. at ~$us1/movie |
| 13:01 | <vektor> | and from what source? |
| 13:01 | <vektor> | so you pirate movies? |
| 13:02 | <paperclip> | usually it's from TV =) |
| 13:02 | <vektor> | so then you don't care about quality. |
| 13:02 | <vektor> | oh well. |
| 13:02 | <paperclip> | or asian vcd |
| 13:02 | <paperclip> | i do.. |
| 13:02 | <paperclip> | very much so.. |
| 13:02 | <vektor> | i think we have different definitions. :) |
| 13:02 | <paperclip> | but I'm more concerned with my rights as a consumer.. |
| 13:03 | <vektor> | fair enough. |
| 13:03 | <paperclip> | i have priorities.. and quality at any price (even freedom) isn't one of them.. |
| 13:03 | <paperclip> | i need to get a new AV receiver that has loads of s-vid inputs.. and some component stuff too |
| 13:04 | <paperclip> | do you have any idea what the sdisilk costs? |
| 13:04 | <vektor> | it says on the page |
| 13:04 | <vektor> | it's like $600 USD or so i think. |
| 13:04 | <paperclip> | what's it say.. |
| 13:05 | <paperclip> | i linked to the dealers.. |
| 13:05 | <paperclip> | $550 |
| 13:05 | <paperclip> | more than my TV =( |
| 13:05 | <vektor> | compared to $800 USD for the faroudja board with hardware deinterlacing |
| 13:05 | <vektor> | well, yeah |
| 13:05 | <vektor> | SDI isn't meant for home use |
| 13:05 | <vektor> | so, stuff like this is expensive :) |
| 13:05 | <paperclip> | i think i'll stick with the bttv stuff (for now) |
| 13:05 | <vektor> | this is meant for quality freaks |
| 13:05 | <paperclip> | emphesis on freaks |
| 13:06 | <vektor> | well it depends how much you value your hobby |
| 13:06 | <paperclip> | most ppl i know think quality == digital cable.. |
| 13:06 | <vektor> | if you have a nice home theatre system with a $4000 projector |
| 13:06 | <vektor> | then spending $1000 on the card for your HTPC isn't so bad |
| 13:06 | <paperclip> | no.. i can see it.. for some *freaks* =) |
| 13:07 | <vektor> | well, what are you watching the output on? |
| 13:07 | <paperclip> | it'll be in my price range soon enough.. |
| 13:07 | <paperclip> | jvc av-36230 |
| 13:07 | <vektor> | if your output is going over analog you don't care as much about digital in |
| 13:07 | <vektor> | i think people who buy this all use projectors |
| 13:07 | <vektor> | and care alot about deinterlacing |
| 13:07 | <paperclip> | i have component input.. |
| 13:08 | <paperclip> | but i'm guessing that s-vid will be as good as it gets for me.. |
| 13:08 | <vektor> | that's analog |
| 13:09 | <paperclip> | so.. do you know where i can get an "ir-blaster" to control the dish receiver? |
| 13:10 | <mdz_> | paperclip: there have been about 50 people on the mailing list in the past week who have explained this |
| 13:10 | <mdz_> | mine is in the mail, backordered unfortunately |
| 13:11 | <paperclip> | mdz_: oh.. i didn't see any when i glances.. |
| 13:11 | <paperclip> | er.. glanced.. |
| 13:11 | <paperclip> | are they expensive? |
| 13:11 | <mdz_> | paperclip: I paid USD25 |
| 13:11 | <mdz_> | plus shipping |
| 13:11 | <mdz_> | you can build one for less if you are so inclined |
| 13:12 | <mdz_> | but I am not into building hardware right now |
| 13:12 | <paperclip> | i'm down with $25 myself |
| 13:12 | <paperclip> | tho i think i may have suitable stuff here to build one.. |
| 13:12 | <vektor> | ir-blaster eh... |
| 13:12 | <vektor> | mdz: where did you get yours from? |
| 13:12 | <mdz_> | vektor: the place that was posted to the mailing list |
| 13:12 | <paperclip> | vektor: RTF mailing list |
| 13:12 | <mdz_> | snapstream or something |
| 13:12 | <paperclip> | heh |
| 13:13 | <mdz_> | apparently they sell some kind of PVR product, and so they sell the IR blaster for cheap |
| 13:13 | <paperclip> | don't they make software |
| 13:13 | <mdz_> | the same model costs twice as much from the manufacturer |
| 13:13 | <mdz_> | the same manufacturer makes a similar product which connects to a botherboard IR port rather than an external serial port, which is what I wanted |
| 13:13 | <mdz_> | and it is cheaper |
| 13:13 | <mdz_> | but it is cheaper to get the external serial version from snapstream than to get the motherboard version from the manufacturer |
| 13:14 | <mdz_> | I couldn't find anyone else who sold it |
| 13:14 | <paperclip> | hmm.. |
| 13:14 | <paperclip> | serial is ok.. i might find a use for it later.. |
| 13:14 | <vektor> | USB one i guess? |
| 13:14 | <mdz_> | vektor: nah, just plain serial |
| 13:14 | <vektor> | mdz: oh cool |
| 13:15 | <mdz_> | I had been looking for something like this forever |
| 13:15 | <mdz_> | it seems like such a simple thing |
| 13:15 | <mdz_> | and everyone builds them |
| 13:15 | <mdz_> | I wanted one which just worked |
| 13:15 | <paperclip> | i have one that came with an AOL-TV unit.. |
| 13:15 | <paperclip> | wow.. looks like you can use direcTV with just a serial cable.. |
| 13:15 | <mdz_> | what kind of ungodly evil is AOL-TV? |
| 13:15 | <paperclip> | http://shop.store.yahoo.com/snapstreammedia/cablepacks.html |
| 13:16 | <mdz_> | there is a serial port on my cable box as well, but no specs except one guy who figured out how to turn it on and off |
| 13:16 | <paperclip> | mdz_: err. it's an x86 box with bttv and a 5 gig hd |
| 13:16 | <mdz_> | oh yeah, and the snapstream one bundles in a couple of A/V cables, in addition to being half the price |
| 13:16 | <paperclip> | mdz_: nice remote.. ir blaster dongle.. |
| 13:16 | <vektor> | ahahha |
| 13:16 | <vektor> | that's what the IR blaster looks like? |
| 13:17 | <vektor> | damn, I have one of those! :) |
| 13:17 | <vektor> | I totally forgot i did too. |
| 13:17 | <paperclip> | one of my vcr's came with one too.. |
| 13:17 | <vektor> | I used to work at a company and we built an IP phone with IR support. |
| 13:17 | <vektor> | So, I have a serial port IR dongle I totally forgot about. |
| 13:17 | <paperclip> | or was it my old dish receiver.. |
| 13:18 | <mdz_> | this is the motherboard unit: http://www.actisys.com/act210.html |
| 13:18 | <mdz_> | vektor: nice one |
| 13:18 | <vektor> | mdz: thanks :) |
| 13:18 | <paperclip> | nifty.. irda |
| 13:19 | <mdz_> | the serial one is USD59 from actisys, the motherboard one is USD35 from actisys, and the serial one is USD25 from snapstream with some cables. go figure |
| 13:19 | <paperclip> | are you sure that it will blast consumer ir stuff.. |
| 13:19 | <mdz_> | paperclip: which? |
| 13:20 | <mdz_> | people on the list are using the actisys unit |
| 13:20 | <paperclip> | AFAIK irda != consumer ir |
| 13:20 | <paperclip> | hmm |
| 13:20 | <mdz_> | it works at short range according to the LIRC people |
| 13:20 | <paperclip> | ahh.. |
| 13:20 | <paperclip> | i think they just got lucky.. |
| 13:20 | <paperclip> | i'm almost sure all irda hardware doesn't do that.. |
| 13:21 | <mdz_> | probably not all |
| 13:21 | <mdz_> | my laptop didn't do it |
| 13:21 | <mdz_> | which means I am that much happier with the serial version |
| 13:21 | <paperclip> | my mini itx has a header for irda and consumer ir |
| 13:21 | <paperclip> | has headers.. i should say |
| 13:22 | <paperclip> | so.. you can use lirc to learn codes for the ir-blaster? |
| 13:23 | * paperclip | starts making a spreadsheet to see what this beast will cost |
| 13:23 | <mdz_> | should be possible |
| 13:23 | <mdz_> | but there are already codes publicly available for everything I need |
| 13:23 | <paperclip> | hmm.. |
| 13:23 | <mdz_> | another reason I'm happier with the IR dongle than with some serial solution; I can use it to control the TV and receiver as well |
| 13:24 | <mdz_> | so when I want to switch between sources, I can change all of them with one command |
| 13:24 | <mdz_> | (my receiver doesn't switch S-video or anything fancy like that) |
| 13:24 | <paperclip> | mine either.. |
| 13:24 | <mdz_> | only composite, and only a couple of inputs |
| 13:24 | <paperclip> | which is why i need to get a new receiver.. |
| 13:25 | <paperclip> | what are you saying.. i thought you were getting the serial dongle? |
| 13:25 | <paperclip> | <mdz_> another reason I'm happier with the IR dongle than with some serial solution; |
| 13:25 | <paperclip> | you mean serial cable |
| 13:25 | * paperclip | gets it now |
| 13:26 | <mdz_> | yes |
| 13:26 | <mdz_> | though I'd be interested in getting that working too one day |
| 13:26 | <mdz_> | probably more reliable than IR |
| 13:26 | <paperclip> | yeah.. it would be cleaner |
| 13:26 | <mdz_> | though when I get a new cable system, or sat, or whatever, I'd be screwed |
| 13:26 | <paperclip> | i'm planning on hiding the whole mythtv/dish thing.. |
| 13:26 | <mdz_> | hiding? |
| 13:27 | <paperclip> | so i really don't care what it looks/sounds |
| 13:27 | <paperclip> | attic |
| 13:27 | <paperclip> | tho.. it would be nice if the mythtv box did dvd/(s)vcd too.. |
| 13:28 | <vektor> | well |
| 13:28 | <vektor> | i can't find my IR dongle |
| 13:28 | <vektor> | but i did find my palmpilot :) |
| 13:28 | <vektor> | maybe i can use that as a lirc receiver :) |
| 13:28 | * paperclip | pets his trusty IIIx |
| 13:28 | <vektor> | I have a IIIc |
| 13:28 | <vektor> | can use it as a flashlight the display is so bright |
| 13:29 | <paperclip> | i'm going to get a treo 300 |
| 13:29 | <paperclip> | actually the 300 is on sale for 3 more days.. $250 after rebates.. |
| 13:29 | <paperclip> | i should order today =) |
| 13:39 | <paperclip> | mdz_: you'll be using two serial ports.. one for your remote in.. and one for the blaster out, eh? |
| 13:48 | <mdz_> | paperclip: nope |
| 13:48 | <mdz_> | paperclip: I use an RF remote |
| 13:48 | <paperclip> | oh.. |
| 13:48 | <mdz_> | over USB |
| 13:49 | <paperclip> | URL? |
| 13:49 | <mdz_> | www.ati.com |
| 13:49 | <paperclip> | ahh |
| 13:49 | <paperclip> | you use aiw? |
| 13:51 | <paperclip> | remote wonder |
| 13:51 | <paperclip> | hmm |
| 13:52 | <paperclip> | does that interface to lirc somehow? |
| 13:54 | <paperclip> | 25' range.. nice |
| 13:57 | <paperclip> | hmm.. comes with the 8500 |
| 14:05 | <paperclip> | ahh.. ati_remote.. |
| 14:06 | <paperclip> | hmm.. you use a custom keymap? |
| 14:06 | <paperclip> | that's a nice solution.. |
| 14:07 | <mdz_> | right |
| 14:07 | <mdz_> | it just acts like a keyboard and mouse |
| 14:07 | <mdz_> | no LIRC nonsense |
| 14:09 | <paperclip> | it looks ok.. |
| 14:09 | <paperclip> | except for the price.. |
| 14:10 | <paperclip> | but that's understandable.. |
| 14:10 | <paperclip> | you have the 8500dv, right? |
| 14:12 | <paperclip> | there is something to be said for IR tho.. it's really easy to get a universal remote.. or make lirc learn whatever codes.. |
| 14:12 | <paperclip> | while the ati remote wonder is a one shot rig.. |
| 14:24 | <ntl|afk> | while running mythfilldatabase i get this error: DB Error: Program insertion failed, SQL query was: |
| 14:24 | <ntl|afk> | INSERT INTO program (chanid,starttime,endtime,title,subtitle,description,category) VALUES(1027, 200211160925, 200211160940, "N |
| 14:24 | <ntl|afk> | elly Net(t)", "", "Interaktive Spieleshow.", "unbekannt") |
| 14:24 | <ntl|afk> | anybody knows, why this could be? |
| 14:24 | <paperclip> | i've seen that here before.. =) |
| 14:25 | <paperclip> | is it common to have a blank ("") value? |
| 14:26 | <ntl|afk> | hmmm, don't know |
| 14:26 | <paperclip> | the subtitle was blank on the last one too.. |
| 14:28 | <ntl|afk> | i'll check that |
| 14:29 | <ntl|afk> | but running this in mysql directly works |
| 14:29 | <ntl|afk> | chris@luna:~/misc/make/MYTHTV/mythtv-0.7/setup> mysql -u root -p mythconverg |
| 14:29 | <ntl|afk> | Enter password: |
| 14:29 | <ntl|afk> | Reading table information for completion of table and column names |
| 14:29 | <ntl|afk> | You can turn off this feature to get a quicker startup with -A |
| 14:29 | <ntl|afk> | Welcome to the MySQL monitor. Commands end with ; or \g. |
| 14:29 | <ntl|afk> | Your MySQL connection id is 64 to server version: 3.23.52-log |
| 14:29 | <ntl|afk> | Type 'help;' or '\h' for help. Type '\c' to clear the buffer. |
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| 14:29 | <nevertheless> | mysql> INSERT INTO program (chanid,starttime,endtime,title,subtitle,description,category) VALUES(1027, 200211161700, 200211161705, "heute", "", "", "unbekannt"); |
| 14:29 | <nevertheless> | Query OK, 1 row affected (0.00 sec) |
| 14:29 | <paperclip> | same show, eh? |
| 14:33 | <nevertheless> | as you probably read before, i could not add a single entry using mythfilldb |
| 14:33 | <nevertheless> | i get that all the time |
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| 14:33 | <nevertheless> | with every entry, but running the command directly works |
| 14:33 | <paperclip> | so you only have the one show? |
| 14:34 | <whatsit> | what window manager do/would you use for a dedicated mythtv box? |
| 14:34 | <whatsit> | or could you use the mythtv frontend as the window manager? |
| 14:35 | <paperclip> | i don't think you need a wm |
| 14:35 | * paperclip | guesses |
| 14:35 | <nevertheless> | paperclip: no, mythepg doesn't show a single entry, not even this one |
| 14:35 | <paperclip> | hmm.. |
| 14:36 | <nevertheless> | unfortunatly i don't know nothing about sql, so i can't debug that thing |
| 14:36 | <paperclip> | i'm still in theconstructon planning stages... so i'm not going to be much help.. |
| 14:36 | <paperclip> | could be the Net(t) |
| 14:37 | <paperclip> | i think parentheses need to be escaped.. like so.. \( |
| 14:37 | <nevertheless> | but it would work nowhere, if this would be the problem? |
| 14:38 | * paperclip | looks for his sql book |
| 14:39 | <whatsit> | paperclip: I'm not bad with SQL... what is the prob? |
| 14:39 | <nevertheless> | while running mythfilldb I always get: |
| 14:39 | <nevertheless> | DB Error: Program insertion failed, SQL query was: |
| 14:39 | <nevertheless> | INSERT INTO program (chanid,starttime,endtime,title,subtitle,description,category) VALUES(1026, 200211222345, 200211230030, "Blond am Freitag", "", "Comedytalk.Moderation: Ralph Morgenstern; Gste: Verona Feldbusch, Hella von Sinnen, Gabi Decker, Kim Fisher.", "unbekannt") |
| 14:41 | <nevertheless> | hmmm, but a dump of of the sql db shows entrys in 'program' |
| 14:42 | <whatsit> | there is no space after the keyword "VALUES" ? |
| 14:42 | <nevertheless> | no |
| 14:42 | <whatsit> | not sure, but that could present a problem |
| 14:43 | <whatsit> | I'm pretty sure you need a space, cariage return, or tab between VALUES and the next open-paren |
| 14:43 | <nevertheless> | but there is data in the db, but mythepg doesn't show a single one |
| 14:44 | <whatsit> | ?? |
| 14:44 | <whatsit> | are you trying to save a new row to the database or retrieve rows? |
| 14:45 | <nevertheless> | a mysqldump shows, that there is lots of shows in the db, but mythepg shows everything as "unknown" |
| 14:45 | <nevertheless> | i try to fill the db, when i get this error |
| 14:47 | <whatsit> | ic you are running mythfilldatabase when you get this right? |
| 14:47 | <nevertheless> | right |
| 14:47 | <whatsit> | and you are running it as the mythtv user? |
| 14:47 | <_shad> | stephy |
| 14:48 | <nevertheless> | im running it as normal user, or do you mean the sql user? |
| 14:48 | <nevertheless> | previously i run it with _uk settings (now with _de settings) and it showed all right |
| 14:48 | <whatsit> | I'm pretty new to mythtv, but I thought you had to run mythfilldatabase as the mythtv user |
| 14:50 | <whatsit> | is there no user on your system named "mythtv" |
| 14:50 | <whatsit> | ? |
| 14:50 | <nevertheless> | nope, i just use it as normal user |
| 14:50 | <paperclip> | hello _shad |
| 14:51 | <whatsit> | nevertheless: ic |
| 14:51 | <whatsit> | so the user you are running this as has database permissions on the mythtv database, right? |
| 14:52 | <Chutt> | any user that can run mythfilldatabase has permissions on the db. |
| 14:53 | <whatsit> | nevertheless: all of the settings in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt are correct? |
| 14:53 | <Chutt> | if it gets that far, it's already connected to the database. |
| 14:53 | <Chutt> | so permissions aren't a problem. |
| 14:55 | <nevertheless> | yes, i changet to the root-user, so that is definatly not the problem |
| 14:55 | <nevertheless> | hi Chutt :-) |
| 14:57 | <nevertheless> | after running mythfilldb mythconverg is full of program data (I just veryfied that) |
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| 14:59 | <whatsit> | off topic: what command could you run as a cron job to get the schedule every so often automatically? |
| 14:59 | <Chutt> | there's example cron stuff in the docs. |
| 14:59 | <whatsit> | thx |
| 15:00 | <Namapoos> | is cron a part of linux? |
| 15:00 | <Namapoos> | or do you have to install it? |
| 15:01 | <paperclip> | it's usually there.. |
| 15:02 | <paperclip> | try .. crontab -e |
| 15:02 | <paperclip> | that lets you modify your users crontab |
| 15:02 | <nevertheless> | hmmm, now i re-setup'ed the db and everything worked fine, but mythepg still doens't show anything (only channels with "unknown" in the table) |
| 15:03 | <Chutt> | then stuff in the channel table doesn't match up with the stuff in the program table. |
| 15:03 | <Namapoos> | paperclip, where would it be located? |
| 15:03 | <paperclip> | cron? |
| 15:03 | <Namapoos> | yeah |
| 15:03 | <paperclip> | sec |
| 15:04 | <Namapoos> | i'm gonna see if my embedded dist has it ( idoubt it though) |
| 15:04 | <paperclip> | it's /usr/sbin/cron here.. |
| 15:04 | <paperclip> | which seems reasonable.. |
| 15:04 | <Namapoos> | k |
| 15:04 | <paperclip> | there's no cron in midori =) |
| 15:05 | <Namapoos> | heheh |
| 15:05 | <Namapoos> | can you download the cron source somewhere, 'cause i need a command to run every X minutes |
| 15:06 | <nevertheless> | Chutt: i have a channel with id 1000 in the chanlist (INSERT INTO channel VALUES (1000,'ARD',1,'','ARD','/home/chris/.mythtv/channels/logo-47.gif',0,NULL,'ARD');) and I have data for chanid 1000 (INSERT INTO program VALUES (1000,20200211160045,20200211160105,'Nachtmagazin','','','unbekannt');) (data taken from dump) |
| 15:06 | <Namapoos> | (for storing data) |
| 15:06 | <paperclip> | you might be better off just using a shell script or something.. |
| 15:06 | <paperclip> | to freeze? |
| 15:06 | <Namapoos> | yeah |
| 15:06 | <paperclip> | that's a good way to wear flash out.. |
| 15:06 | <Namapoos> | does flash wear out? |
| 15:07 | <paperclip> | yes.. after some few 100k writes.. |
| 15:07 | <paperclip> | some flash has a smart controller that tries to spread the writes around.. |
| 15:08 | <paperclip> | that should read after 200,000-300,000 writes flash can wear out.. |
| 15:08 | <Namapoos> | could it be seen the same as certain hd's? |
| 15:09 | <Chutt> | nevertheless, the date format for that program insert is wrong. |
| 15:10 | <paperclip> | Chutt: good eye.. where did the extra 20 come from? |
| 15:10 | <Chutt> | nfc. |
| 15:10 | <nevertheless> | oh, ic |
| 15:10 | <paperclip> | heh |
| 15:10 | <Chutt> | him, apparently :p |
| 15:10 | <whatsit> | the mythtv frontend is bigger than my screen... is there a parameter that I can pass mythfrontend that will size it automatically |
| 15:10 | <whatsit> | ? |
| 15:10 | <Chutt> | theme.txt. |
| 15:10 | <whatsit> | thx |
| 15:10 | <Chutt> | you could at least _look_ at the settings files |
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| 15:11 | <whatsit> | sorry man, I've been working on this box for way too long and I'm loosing cognitive ablility |
| 15:11 | <whatsit> | and the *ability* to spell |
| 15:11 | <whatsit> | :) |
| 15:12 | <Namapoos> | hahah |
| 15:12 | <Namapoos> | ahahah |
| 15:12 | <Chutt> | nevertheless, YYYYMMDDhhmmss |
| 15:13 | <nevertheless> | are the seconds really needed? |
| 15:13 | <Chutt> | yes |
| 15:13 | <paperclip> | =) |
| 15:14 | <nevertheless> | hmmm, they are not in the german database, and the 20 is not in the database, too, what the f*** |
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| 15:14 | <Chutt> | if you don't have the seconds, it interprets it as YYMMDDhhmmss |
| 15:15 | <Chutt> | ie, two digit year, not four |
| 15:15 | <nevertheless> | oh :-) |
| 15:16 | <nevertheless> | mythfilldb is responsible for this, right? |
| 15:16 | <Chutt> | no, mysql is |
| 15:16 | <Chutt> | that's the timestamp format |
| 15:16 | <paperclip> | is that a date type thing? |
| 15:16 | <nevertheless> | Chutt: i found a way to use the german stuff (I patched tv_grab_de) |
| 15:16 | <Chutt> | cool |
| 15:16 | <Chutt> | if it works and stuff, send it to the xmltv people |
| 15:18 | <Chutt> | i assume you made it generate some simple <channel> entries? |
| 15:18 | <nevertheless> | i made a channellist.xml myself, and this will be added while running tv_grab_de |
| 15:18 | <Chutt> | ah |
| 15:19 | <nevertheless> | and now I have to check, how to add the seconds :-) |
| 15:23 | <paperclip> | does tv-in and out work simultaneously with the ATI AIW cards? |
| 15:23 | <Chutt> | no |
| 15:23 | <paperclip> | that's what i tought.. |
| 15:24 | <paperclip> | too many choices.. |
| 15:31 | <paperclip> | and not enough cheese.. |
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| 15:34 | <_shad> | Whoa |
| 15:34 | <_shad> | I need a faster computer |
| 15:34 | <_shad> | hehe |
| 15:35 | <_shad> | I can't stand to watch tv in 320x240 anymore :( |
| 15:41 | <whatsit> | which codec is more efficient: rtjpeg or mpeg4? |
| 15:42 | <whatsit> | I guess I don't know what the main differences are |
| 15:42 | <vektor> | rtjpeg is based on doing a single jpeg for every input frame. |
| 15:42 | <vektor> | mpeg4 has inter-frame compression, so it can have motion vectors between frames, as well as the parts of the frame being encoded using jpeg-like compression. |
| 15:43 | <vektor> | So, mpeg4 is more complex |
| 15:43 | <whatsit> | vektor: that makes mpeg4 slower for live video compression? |
| 15:43 | <vektor> | But as with anything, efficiency is dependant on how the encoders were written and optimized, and what settings you use, so it's hard to judge based just on that. |
| 15:44 | <vektor> | Well, theoretically it should be much slower if you use any inter-frame compression. |
| 15:44 | <whatsit> | ic |
| 15:44 | <paperclip> | hmm.. looks like you need a wm |
| 15:44 | <vektor> | Since finding good motion vectors is a computationally expensive problem, plus you have to have the old frame data still around in memory. |
| 15:44 | <vektor> | But maybe you can use the MPEG-4 compressor without any inter-frame compression, at which point, the differences become a bit blurred. |
| 15:45 | <whatsit> | so keeping mythtv's codec setting at rtjpeg is probably wise, eh? |
| 15:46 | <vektor> | I can't say either way in your situation since I don't have enough information. |
| 15:46 | <vektor> | I'm also too busy to bother. |
| 15:46 | <vektor> | ;) |
| 15:46 | <whatsit> | heh |
| 15:49 | <vektor> | my composite is still slower than it should be |
| 15:49 | <vektor> | i do alot of work :( |
| 16:09 | <nevertheless> | ok, my patch for tv_grab_de works with the channel and the timeformat stuff. now I have to make a nice channels.lst.xml file and then I sent it to the xmltv developers. so lets see, what will come |
| 16:25 | <whatsit> | could someone refresh my memory: what is the equivalent to the format command in linux? |
| 16:26 | <nevertheless> | there is no equivalent, what do you want to do? |
| 16:27 | <whatsit> | does makefs initialize a partition? |
| 16:27 | <whatsit> | mkfs that is |
| 16:28 | <nevertheless> | yes, it does init the partition |
| 16:28 | <whatsit> | sorry... answered my own question |
| 16:28 | <whatsit> | :) |
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| 16:47 | <dmz> | what's up with lirc.org? |
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| 16:51 | <paperclip> | lirc.org has been 500 all day |
| 16:51 | <dmz> | yesterday too |
| 16:52 | <paperclip> | lame |
| 17:38 | <mdz_> | paperclip: no, I have the 7500 |
| 17:41 | <witten> | kickass! debian packages |
| 17:42 | <Chutt> | way to read the mailing list and web page. |
| 17:42 | <Chutt> | :p |
| 17:42 | <witten> | hey, I just idle here :) |
| 17:46 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 17:47 | <Chutt> | i should get someone to put together a better webpage |
| 17:54 | <witten> | wow, I'm just going through some of the setup scripts and I haven't even seen mythtv itself run, and I'm already impressed |
| 17:55 | <witten> | it's so geeky it hurts |
| 18:06 | <witten> | hmm, mythtv binary segfaults |
| 18:11 | -!- | sefudier [~fabiano@RJ231231.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #mythtv |
| 18:28 | <mdz_> | witten: what binary? |
| 18:28 | <witten> | mythtv from the woody deb |
| 18:28 | <mdz_> | witten: is that the only mythtv that you've installed? or did you install it from source previously? |
| 18:29 | <witten> | it stopped segfaulting when I switched users to one that had access to the mysql database. but now I get wavy lines on all channels :) |
| 18:29 | <witten> | only one.. |
| 18:29 | <mdz_> | ok, yes, you need to run it as the mythtv user |
| 18:29 | <witten> | yah, doing so now |
| 18:29 | <witt |
