| 00:00 | * paperclip | guesses Chutt is Isaac |
| 00:00 | <_shad> | :) |
| 00:01 | <_shad> | My question is, why can Chutt make such a kickass program, but every commercial program I've tried doesn't even come close, and has been worked on for years? |
| 00:02 | <Kuwanger> | Where's i2c? |
| 00:02 | <Arelius> | Ahh, cool... now, does MythTV have some script to process the Zap2it listings, or must I write that? |
| 00:02 | <_shad> | Arelius: it has it |
| 00:02 | <_shad> | and it actually works :) |
| 00:03 | <Arelius> | ahh nice... |
| 00:03 | <Arelius> | this is great... |
| 00:03 | <paperclip> | yes.. |
| 00:03 | <paperclip> | _shad: so. which p3 do you have? |
| 00:03 | <_shad> | hrm. xmltv takes a long time to process the info, is it just because I have a slow cpu? |
| 00:03 | <_shad> | paperclip: it's a p3-450 |
| 00:04 | <paperclip> | i'm trying to figure out what's the most wimpy cpu i can use.. |
| 00:04 | <_shad> | I have all crap computers |
| 00:04 | <_shad> | I'm testing it on a p2-350 right now |
| 00:04 | <paperclip> | me too |
| 00:04 | <_shad> | the p3-450 is the fastest I have |
| 00:04 | <_shad> | I got all my cpu's from work |
| 00:04 | <_shad> | :) |
| 00:04 | <paperclip> | maybe that's another reason why to have such thrashing.. |
| 00:05 | <_shad> | my main machine is a celeron 300 overclocked to 450 |
| 00:05 | <paperclip> | er.. you |
| 00:05 | <_shad> | probably |
| 00:05 | <paperclip> | ata33 too eh? |
| 00:05 | <_shad> | heh |
| 00:05 | <_shad> | ya |
| 00:05 | <_shad> | but the HD isn't that bad |
| 00:05 | <_shad> | with dma I get 16meg/sec |
| 00:06 | <paperclip> | still.. you are reading/writing all the time.. |
| 00:06 | <_shad> | ya |
| 00:06 | <_shad> | I guess i couldn't setup a ramdisk or something |
| 00:06 | <paperclip> | i'd like to make a dedicated machine.. |
| 00:06 | <Kuwanger> | Ah.. |
| 00:06 | <Kuwanger> | Would help to have i2c installed. |
| 00:06 | <Kuwanger> | If you don't have i2c installed, what would likely happen? |
| 00:07 | <paperclip> | but i dunno if i'd be up to having the nicest box in the house watching gilligan's island |
| 00:07 | <_shad> | paperclip: :) |
| 00:07 | <_shad> | how much data is it going through per second? |
| 00:07 | <_shad> | would I be able to have it over a 100mbit network? |
| 00:07 | <paperclip> | i guss that depends on the codec/quality |
| 00:08 | <_shad> | hmm |
| 00:08 | <paperclip> | i dunno.. you've done more with it than i have.. |
| 00:08 | <_shad> | naw |
| 00:08 | <_shad> | I just got it running like 30 mins ago with Chutt's help :) |
| 00:09 | <paperclip> | i think the ideal solution would be a diskless set top.. and a fat encoder disk box.. |
| 00:09 | <_shad> | hmm |
| 00:09 | <_shad> | would be nice |
| 00:09 | <paperclip> | my mini-itx box has 1 moving part.. the power button.. |
| 00:09 | <paperclip> | well. and the reset button.. |
| 00:09 | <_shad> | I'll get one of the many 486's I have here |
| 00:09 | <_shad> | heh |
| 00:10 | <_shad> | Chutt: So, what do you do for a living? |
| 00:10 | <paperclip> | i just can't imagine how loud an athlon is.. |
| 00:11 | <_shad> | paperclip: depends where you put it I guess |
| 00:11 | <paperclip> | in my entertainment center =) |
| 00:12 | <_shad> | heh |
| 00:12 | <_shad> | my monitor has a space at the bottom for it |
| 00:12 | <_shad> | it was pretty quiet |
| 00:12 | <_shad> | http://shad.hopto.org/~shad/monitor.jpg |
| 00:14 | <Arelius> | so, how fast of a computer would I need to be able to run this with most of the features? |
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| 00:15 | <paperclip> | well.. the website mentions using an athlon 1600+ |
| 00:15 | <paperclip> | and using 50-60% cpu |
| 00:15 | <Chutt> | 1800+. |
| 00:15 | <_shad> | nice. |
| 00:15 | <Chutt> | nice? |
| 00:15 | <Chutt> | they're dirt cheap |
| 00:15 | <_shad> | ya |
| 00:15 | <_shad> | heh |
| 00:16 | <_shad> | I've never had a reason to upgrade so far |
| 00:16 | * Kuwanger | wishes he knew what chipset his other video card used. |
| 00:16 | <Arelius> | Hmm, I don't have any extra AMDS lying around... what speed intel? |
| 00:16 | <_shad> | the last time I bought a new puter was when I had my 486dx2/66, and it took him 8 hours to do a lab, so he bought a celeron 300 |
| 00:16 | <_shad> | Kuwanger: you can't tell just by looking at it? |
| 00:17 | <paperclip> | ahh. yes it is 1800+ |
| 00:17 | <_shad> | Maybe I'll buy my fiance a new puter for christmas |
| 00:17 | <_shad> | :) |
| 00:17 | <paperclip> | or cat /proc/pci |
| 00:18 | <_shad> | or lspci -v |
| 00:18 | <paperclip> | most ppl have cat installed =) |
| 00:19 | <_shad> | heh |
| 00:19 | <paperclip> | like what's lspci good for? |
| 00:19 | <_shad> | it's tabbed out nice? ;] |
| 00:19 | <Chutt> | larger name database |
| 00:19 | <paperclip> | taking up space =) |
| 00:19 | <Chutt> | and it does quite a bit more |
| 00:19 | <paperclip> | cat has no name database.. |
| 00:20 | <paperclip> | so you got me there =) |
| 00:20 | <_shad> | hehe |
| 00:20 | <Chutt> | the kernel has one |
| 00:20 | <Chutt> | which is shown when you cat /proc/pci |
| 00:20 | <paperclip> | mine doesn't |
| 00:20 | <Chutt> | if you've compiled it in. |
| 00:20 | <paperclip> | well.. |
| 00:21 | <paperclip> | i didn't.. then again.. i know what's in my box.. |
| 00:21 | <paperclip> | what else does lspci do? |
| 00:21 | <Chutt> | lspci -h |
| 00:22 | <paperclip> | i don't have lspci.. |
| 00:23 | <paperclip> | hmm.. glancing at an online manpage.. |
| 00:24 | <_shad> | can I partial flood the channel with an error I just got? |
| 00:24 | <paperclip> | aside from the verbose descriptions.. none of that looks useful for a non-developer.. |
| 00:25 | <paperclip> | -t is neat |
| 00:26 | <_shad> | DB ERror: Program insertion failed, SQL query was: |
| 00:26 | <_shad> | INSERT INTO program |
| 00:26 | <_shad> | (chanid,starttime,endtime,title,subtitle,description,category) VALUES(1066, |
| 00:26 | <_shad> | 20021122170000, 20021122190000, "You Can Count On Me", "", "The |
| 00:26 | <_shad> | return of her brother sends a woman into a tailspin.", "Drama") |
| 00:30 | <_shad> | Geez. It's getting late |
| 00:32 | <_shad> | Hehe. I wonder how long before someone decides to make a KDE front end for mythtv |
| 00:32 | <paperclip> | why would they? |
| 00:32 | <_shad> | maybe integrate it |
| 00:32 | <_shad> | make it a total HTPC |
| 00:33 | <paperclip> | seems like it's well on it's way already.. |
| 00:33 | <_shad> | make it so you can surf the net, word process, etc. |
| 00:33 | <paperclip> | i think web is in the works.. |
| 00:33 | <_shad> | cool |
| 00:34 | <_shad> | I wish I knew how to code. |
| 00:34 | <paperclip> | but really all i see missing is an integrated dvd player / archival tools |
| 00:34 | <paperclip> | i'm not much of a coder.. |
| 00:34 | <_shad> | dvd/svcd/vcd |
| 00:34 | <_shad> | I chose to go hardware instead of software |
| 00:34 | <paperclip> | but i don't let that stop me from poking around.. |
| 00:35 | <paperclip> | i've patched a few things.. |
| 00:35 | <_shad> | I know electronics. heh |
| 00:35 | <_shad> | my patches usually include a # :) |
| 00:35 | <paperclip> | heh.. |
| 00:35 | <_shad> | I'm being forced to learn some assembler though |
| 00:35 | <_shad> | we're going to wire-wrap a 386 controller |
| 00:36 | <paperclip> | ugh.. |
| 00:36 | <_shad> | then the final project is to make a peripheral for it, hardware and software |
| 00:36 | <_shad> | in assembler |
| 00:36 | <_shad> | :) |
| 00:36 | <paperclip> | there's an all asm os called menuet |
| 00:37 | <_shad> | I wouldn't even want to look at the code :) |
| 00:37 | <paperclip> | it's tiny |
| 00:37 | <_shad> | ok, I'll port mythtv to it. :) |
| 00:37 | <paperclip> | hah |
| 00:37 | <_shad> | it'll fly on a 386 |
| 00:37 | <_shad> | hehe |
| 00:38 | <_shad> | how long has mythtv existed? |
| 00:38 | <paperclip> | looks like june/july |
| 00:39 | <paperclip> | "So, in late April 2002" |
| 00:39 | <_shad> | I'm amazed how good it is for such little time |
| 00:39 | <_shad> | Chutt could make some big bucks :) |
| 00:40 | <paperclip> | maybe he does.. |
| 00:41 | <_shad> | hehe |
| 00:42 | <_shad> | I was talking to my boss about mythtv today, and showed him some screenshots, and he said that it might be one of the main programs to get people to switch to linux. hehe. He doesn't even like linux too much |
| 00:43 | <paperclip> | i think even my wife would like mythtv.. |
| 00:44 | <_shad> | my fiance started to get pissed off at showshifter |
| 00:44 | <_shad> | I think I can convince her to let me put linux on that box now |
| 00:45 | <Kuwanger> | bt829.. |
| 00:45 | <paperclip> | heh.. |
| 00:45 | <paperclip> | how'd you find that out.. |
| 00:46 | <_shad> | wow |
| 00:46 | <_shad> | my other box thinks it's 9pm and survivor is just finishing |
| 00:46 | <_shad> | haha |
| 00:48 | * Kuwanger | wonders.. |
| 00:48 | <Kuwanger> | bb, maybe |
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| 00:49 | <_shad> | I have a bt819 from the old ati isa-tv cards |
| 00:50 | <_shad> | I tried, couldn't get it to work. heh |
| 00:50 | <paperclip> | which card are you using now? |
| 00:50 | <_shad> | hauppage wintv-theater I guess |
| 00:50 | <paperclip> | hmm.. |
| 00:50 | <_shad> | borrowed it from work |
| 00:50 | <_shad> | :) |
| 00:50 | <paperclip> | i think i'll order that surplus one i linked earlier.. |
| 00:51 | <_shad> | ya |
| 00:51 | <_shad> | Any should work |
| 00:51 | <_shad> | I have just the cheapo in my main box |
| 00:51 | <_shad> | it's not even stereo I think |
| 00:51 | <paperclip> | oh.. stereo.. i need that =) |
| 00:53 | <paperclip> | so.. XMLTV is all perl, eh? |
| 00:53 | <_shad> | heh. dunno |
| 00:53 | <_shad> | I might have fucked up my box |
| 00:54 | <_shad> | I was switching sound cards, and decided not to screw it in |
| 00:54 | <paperclip> | looks like it is.. |
| 00:54 | <_shad> | but I forgot... and tried to plug the speakers in |
| 00:54 | <_shad> | heh |
| 00:54 | <_shad> | popped the card out :) |
| 00:54 | <_shad> | system froze |
| 00:54 | <_shad> | mmm |
| 00:54 | <_shad> | I love computers. |
| 00:58 | <_shad> | hmm |
| 00:58 | <_shad> | I have it set to 320x240, and it's capturing at 1meg/sec over the network |
| 00:58 | <_shad> | nice :) |
| 01:00 | <_shad> | and 480x480 is about 4meg/sec |
| 01:01 | <paperclip> | hmm |
| 01:05 | <_shad> | 320x240 with quality of 225 is 1.5meg/sec |
| 01:05 | <_shad> | that's all the p2-350 can handle it seems |
| 01:06 | <_shad> | Chutt: How much better can I expect to see with a p3-450? |
| 01:12 | <Arelius> | hey |
| 01:12 | <Arelius> | Does mythtv support Dual processor machines |
| 01:13 | <paperclip> | there was a mention of that on the mailing list |
| 01:14 | <paperclip> | and the answer is at the moment no.. |
| 01:14 | <Arelius> | And how hard would it be to use Radio Remotes as opposed to IR... and where could I find one of those if you know... |
| 01:14 | <Arelius> | ok |
| 01:14 | <paperclip> | i don't know.. |
| 01:14 | <Arelius> | ok, thanks |
| 01:14 | <paperclip> | you have a dish receiver with uhf? |
| 01:14 | <Arelius> | no |
| 01:14 | <paperclip> | oh.. |
| 01:14 | <Arelius> | actually |
| 01:15 | <Arelius> | now that I think about it... |
| 01:15 | <Arelius> | yes I do belive so... |
| 01:15 | <paperclip> | i doubt the specs for that are public.. =) |
| 01:15 | <Arelius> | ahh, yes |
| 01:15 | <paperclip> | i'm looking to do dishnetwork eventually.. |
| 01:16 | <paperclip> | for now.. i'm planning to build.. =) |
| 01:16 | <Arelius> | ... |
| 01:16 | <paperclip> | test it out on the antenna |
| 01:16 | <Arelius> | nice |
| 01:16 | <_shad> | hrm |
| 01:16 | <_shad> | I'm going to bed :) |
| 01:16 | <paperclip> | nite |
| 01:17 | <_shad> | night |
| 01:17 | <_shad> | hehe |
| 01:17 | <_shad> | too much fun for one day |
| 01:17 | <_shad> | I think I'm gonna start stripping my current computer to make it better for mythtv |
| 01:18 | * _shad | goes to bed. has to wake up in 6 hours :( |
| 01:23 | <Arelius> | =P |
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| 01:27 | <OrangeSun> | hey guys!!! |
| 03:19 | <OrangeSun> | ehem.. |
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| 11:04 | -!- | Topic for #mythtv is http://www.mythtv.org/ -- The Cheap(est), High-Quality Alternative |
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| 13:33 | <sefudier> | hey.. does mythtv currently support pal-m mode? |
| 13:33 | <Chutt> | it should, but i wouldn't know |
| 13:33 | <Universe> | heh |
| 13:33 | <Universe> | if only the US used pal |
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| 14:20 | <Namapoos> | Universe, why, is pal better? |
| 14:22 | <Universe> | I dont know |
| 14:23 | <Universe> | I dont think it makes a difference quality wise... |
| 14:23 | <Universe> | they are just different standards |
| 14:23 | <sefudier> | its all the same shit :) |
| 14:23 | <sefudier> | just different standards, to make it harder for everyone |
| 14:23 | <sefudier> | as usual |
| 14:23 | <Universe> | of course |
| 14:24 | <echo> | PAL is slightly better than NTSC |
| 14:24 | <Universe> | you, oversea'ers, do not want to be like us americas |
| 14:24 | <echo> | it has a nice even framerate. |
| 14:27 | <Namapoos> | hhahah |
| 14:27 | <Namapoos> | so is pal/ntsc a preference thing |
| 14:27 | <Namapoos> | or is there an actual visible/quality difference? |
| 14:28 | <Universe> | its a standard thing |
| 14:29 | <Universe> | video format standard |
| 14:29 | <Universe> | PAL - PAL (Phase Alternating Line) is a video standard used in many countries around the world. Countries such as the United Kingdom, The Netherlands and more use PAL as their video standard. When a VHS, DVD or laserdisc is released using the PAL format it can have a maximum resolution up to 625 lines with a vertical frequency of 50Hz. There are different types of PAL standards, one of which uses a vertical frequency of 60Hz instead of 50Hz. |
| 14:29 | <Universe> | NTSC - NTSC (National Television Ssystem Committee) is another video standard used in many countries around the world. While it's not technically superior, it's more widely used thanks to its use in the United States and a variety of other countries, such as Japan. When a VHS, DVD or laserdisc is released using the NTSC format it can have a maximum resolution up to 525 lines with a vertical frequency of 60hz. |
| 14:31 | <echo> | PAL is 25 fps. |
| 14:31 | <echo> | the 60Hz isn't REALLY 60hz.. it's like 59.something |
| 14:31 | <echo> | it's annoying. |
| 14:32 | <echo> | transcode has audio sync problems with NTSC constantly because of this. |
| 14:32 | <Chutt> | err, why? |
| 14:32 | <Chutt> | as long as you know what the frame rate is, it doesn't matter |
| 14:32 | <Chutt> | if it has audio sync problems, then someone's probably assuming 60Hz somewhere. |
| 14:33 | <echo> | the frame rate is a big floating point number. |
| 14:33 | <echo> | so doing it with integer math sucks. |
| 14:33 | <echo> | doing it with floating point math makes it slower. |
| 14:33 | <Chutt> | err, only if you keep your frame rate stored in 'seconds' |
| 14:33 | <echo> | especially when converting frame rates. |
| 14:34 | <echo> | going from PAL to NTSC, or from NTSC to 24fps film. |
| 14:34 | <echo> | or when you deinterlace into 24fps progressive. |
| 14:35 | <echo> | if you think you could solve it, please contribute to transcode.. it's got serious problems with NTSC and audio sync. |
| 14:36 | <Chutt> | yeah, i'll contribute to a tool i don't use :p |
| 14:36 | <sefudier> | whats transcode's page echo? |
| 14:36 | <Universe> | http://www.theorie.physik.uni-goettingen.de/~ostreich/transcode/ |
| 14:36 | <Universe> | google works wonders |
| 14:37 | <sefudier> | thanks |
| 14:37 | <echo> | transcode is nice for converting from one video format to another. |
| 14:37 | <sefudier> | i tried .sourceforge before asking :) |
| 14:40 | <echo> | * My DivX/XviD movie encoded from a NTSC DVD is out of sync. What is wrong? |
| 14:40 | <echo> | This is a very complex issue. I will devote this a separate entry somewhere else. |
| 14:40 | <echo> | that's from the FAQ |
| 14:50 | <echo> | DVDs are always encoded at 720x576 (5:4) |
| 14:50 | <echo> | wtf? |
| 14:50 | <echo> | why would they do that.. |
| 14:50 | <echo> | sooo stupid. |
| 14:50 | <Chutt> | better than 720x400 |
| 14:50 | <echo> | better would be 800x600 |
| 14:51 | <echo> | which is 4:3 |
| 14:51 | <Chutt> | why? |
| 14:51 | <Chutt> | movies aren't 4:3 |
| 14:51 | <Chutt> | doesn't really matter |
| 14:52 | <echo> | but TV is 4:3 |
| 14:52 | <echo> | and HDTV is 16:9. |
| 14:52 | <echo> | you would THINK they would use one of those. |
| 14:52 | <echo> | K.I.S.S |
| 14:53 | <Chutt> | there's 30 million different hdtv formats, i don't think KISS came into the design phase =) |
| 14:53 | <echo> | Chutt: um.. all HDTV formats are either 4:3 or 16:9 |
| 14:54 | <Chutt> | right |
| 14:54 | <Chutt> | with multiple different encoding methods, multiple resolutions |
| 14:54 | <Chutt> | etc. |
| 14:59 | <echo> | aren't they all MPEG-2? |
| 14:59 | <echo> | resolutions are 480p 720p 1080i |
| 14:59 | <echo> | right? |
| 14:59 | <echo> | I mean, if we are talking US HDTV |
| 15:00 | <Chutt> | there's like 18 different formats for it |
| 15:03 | <Universe> | Is there a standard? |
| 15:03 | <Universe> | yet |
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| 15:28 | <nevertheless> | hey guys, I get a segfault while running mythfilldatabase --manual with german setup... anything known about that? |
| 15:28 | <Chutt> | yes. |
| 15:28 | <nevertheless> | yes? |
| 15:28 | <Chutt> | tv_grab_de doesn't produce proper output |
| 15:28 | <Chutt> | it'll be broken until someone fixes mythfilldatabase to compensate |
| 15:28 | <nevertheless> | oh, so theres no way to fix it? |
| 15:29 | <Chutt> | no, it can be fixed |
| 15:29 | <nevertheless> | i mean, fix it for now |
| 15:29 | <Chutt> | nope |
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| 15:30 | <nevertheless> | f**k |
| 16:17 | <_shad> | heh |
| 16:26 | <nevertheless> | its really quite in here |
| 16:50 | <_shad> | ya |
| 16:50 | <_shad> | we're all watching tv :) |
| 16:50 | <nevertheless> | oh :-) |
| 16:50 | <nevertheless> | hmmm |
| 16:50 | <_shad> | heh |
| 16:50 | <Chutt> | working, actually :p |
| 16:51 | <_shad> | Chutt: on mythtv, or your real job? <whatever that is> |
| 16:51 | <Chutt> | real job |
| 16:51 | <nevertheless> | due to that awful _de stuff, i unfortunatly can't use mythtv |
| 16:51 | <_shad> | heh. what do ya do? |
| 16:51 | <Chutt> | program stuff |
| 16:51 | <_shad> | :) |
| 16:51 | <_shad> | highly classified? |
| 16:51 | <_shad> | You don't work for Microsoft, do you? hehe |
| 16:58 | <_shad> | Chutt: When I'm in the EPG, and hit enter on something, it will just change the channel in the background? |
| 17:00 | <Chutt> | with 0.7 that'll exit the epg and change the channel |
| 17:00 | <_shad> | ok |
| 17:01 | <_shad> | It actually runs pretty good on a p2-350 |
| 17:02 | <nevertheless> | an' it doesn't run on my athlon 800 :-( |
| 17:02 | <Chutt> | so fix it to. |
| 17:03 | <_shad> | :) |
| 17:03 | <_shad> | nevertheless: edit settings.<something> and change the arch to something other than pentiumpro and recompile... I think. ;) |
| 17:04 | <nevertheless> | no, its another problem |
| 17:04 | <Chutt> | mythfilldatabase doesn't work for the tv_grab_de grabber. |
| 17:04 | <nevertheless> | the cvs commit of yesterday (filldata.cpp) doesn't fix the _de problem |
| 17:04 | <Chutt> | of course it doesn't. |
| 17:04 | <nevertheless> | but there was a fix for that |
| 17:05 | <Chutt> | no, there wasn't. |
| 17:06 | <nevertheless> | Update the library version # to 0.8. |
| 17:06 | <nevertheless> | libavcodec resync, including their huffyuv implementation. |
| 17:06 | <nevertheless> | Make the libavcodec huffyuv stuff work in mythtv. |
| 17:06 | <nevertheless> | Make the enter key in the guidegrid do the same thing as the space key. |
| 17:06 | <nevertheless> | Small patch from <> (forget who right now, can't find the email) to fix a |
| 17:06 | <nevertheless> | segfault in filldatabase with tv_grab_de, but it still doesn't work with it. |
| 17:06 | <nevertheless> | yes, there was |
| 17:06 | <_shad> | but it still doesn't work with it. |
| 17:06 | <_shad> | hehe |
| 17:06 | <nevertheless> | yes, thats what is written there :( |
| 17:07 | <Chutt> | considering i wrote that commit message |
| 17:07 | <Chutt> | i know what was written there. |
| 17:07 | <nevertheless> | but when you even forgot, who commited that patch ;-) |
| 17:08 | <Chutt> | don't be a dumbass. |
| 17:08 | <_shad> | Chutt is the master of all. |
| 17:08 | <Chutt> | i know what it fixed, and what it didn't fix |
| 17:08 | <nevertheless> | yes :) |
| 17:08 | <nevertheless> | unfortunatly not my problem |
| 17:08 | <Chutt> | right |
| 17:09 | <Chutt> | i really don't care if it works with the tv_grab_de grabber |
| 17:09 | <Chutt> | so someone else who needs it to can fix things |
| 17:09 | <_shad> | Exactly. Chutt made it to work for what he needs it to, and that's all :) |
| 17:09 | <nevertheless> | oh, are you member of that mplayer crew? they react on such things like you... DONT BUG ME WITH SUCH THINGS :-( |
| 17:10 | <Chutt> | uh, no |
| 17:10 | <_shad> | nevertheless: Chutt made mythtv, he can do whatever he wants. |
| 17:10 | <Chutt> | shad, err, right. |
| 17:10 | <nevertheless> | _shad: I did understand that |
| 17:10 | <_shad> | MythTV is a homebrew PVR project that I've been working on in my spare time. |
| 17:10 | <Chutt> | i'm just not in the practice of writing code that i don't need |
| 17:10 | <_shad> | is the first sentence in the page :) |
| 17:10 | <Chutt> | if someone else does need it, then they can write it |
| 17:11 | <Chutt> | is all |
| 17:11 | <_shad> | Chutt: And that is the way it should always be |
| 17:13 | <nevertheless> | yes, thats ok with me, but maybe stop supporting the _de stuff until it works again, if so, I would have rejected this project from the beginning, but now I really like it to that point (unless I can't use it right now) |
| 17:13 | <_shad> | nevertheless: can you program? |
| 17:13 | <Chutt> | it should be fairly simple to fix it to work |
| 17:13 | <nevertheless> | or at least add some information to hte FAQ |
| 17:13 | <nevertheless> | _shad: yes i can |
| 17:13 | <Chutt> | just no one has done so yet. |
| 17:14 | <nevertheless> | but i don't know, what that stuff is for |
| 17:14 | <sefudier> | is there a particular format mythtv expects xmltv files to be in? or will it accept any xmltv file? |
| 17:14 | <Chutt> | sefudier, the _de grabber doesn't provide any <channel> entries |
| 17:14 | <Chutt> | which is the main problem |
| 17:15 | <sefudier> | ic |
| 17:15 | <nevertheless> | the _de grabber ist part of xmltv, right? |
| 17:15 | <Chutt> | yes |
| 17:15 | <Chutt> | other than that, it works |
| 17:15 | <nevertheless> | and the _xy grabbers too, right? |
| 17:15 | <Chutt> | yup |
| 17:16 | <nevertheless> | and why do they differ? |
| 17:16 | <Chutt> | all the other grabbers work |
| 17:16 | <Chutt> | because they're all written by different people |
| 17:16 | <nevertheless> | oh, i see |
| 17:16 | <Chutt> | and there aren't any standards that they followed |
| 17:16 | <sefudier> | does the file need to be sorted in some order (program, date, channel) ? or will mythtv do the sorting into that table shown in the epg screenshot? |
| 17:17 | <Chutt> | sefudier, mythfilldatabase takes the entire output of the xmltv grabber and dumps it into a database |
| 17:17 | <nevertheless> | so its not you i need to bug, but the people from xmltv ;-) |
| 17:17 | <Chutt> | well |
| 17:17 | <Chutt> | it could be worked around in mythfilldatabase |
| 17:17 | <Chutt> | like, just have it see that there aren't any channels defined, then add some blank entries to the mapping table |
| 17:18 | <Chutt> | then the user fills in the rest of the data by running it with --manual |
| 17:18 | <sefudier> | chutt you mean these entries: <programme channel="bbc2.bbc.co.uk" start="20010829000500 BST"> |
| 17:18 | <sefudier> | ? |
| 17:18 | <Chutt> | sefudier, those are the program entries, i'm talking about the <channel> ones at the top |
| 17:19 | <Chutt> | they're normally at the top, at least |
| 17:19 | <sefudier> | ic.. im making a utility to grab the local tv listings |
| 17:19 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 17:19 | <sefudier> | do you have some sample of how a compatible xmltv file would be |
| 17:20 | <sefudier> | i.e. not missing any fields |
| 17:20 | <Chutt> | no, sorry |
| 17:20 | <Chutt> | if you were just intending it for use with mythtv, though, you could always just talk directly to the database |
| 17:22 | <sefudier> | ic.. i'd rather have it in xmltv though cause i might be using it with other tools or doing some other frontend for different purposes |
| 17:22 | <sefudier> | i was just wondering if the sorting mattered or mythtv required some specific subformat, cause i want to use it in mythtv |
| 17:23 | <Chutt> | if you follow the format of the _na or _uk grabbers, everything should be fine |
| 17:23 | <sefudier> | ok, ill look into those, thanks |
| 17:24 | <_shad> | I noticed that the listings from zap2it are wrong a lot of the times around here |
| 17:24 | <_shad> | I wonder why |
| 17:37 | * _shad | takes the plunge and goes to try and compile linux 2.5.47 :) |
| 17:54 | <nevertheless> | hmmm, Chutt, what excaclty is the problem of tv_grab_de? you said, there are no channel infos in the fields? |
| 18:08 | <Chutt> | there are no channel entries in the xml file |
| 18:08 | <nevertheless> | yeah, i just saw it, comparing the german .xml output with the uk one |
| 18:09 | <Chutt> | that's the major issue |
| 18:09 | <mdz> | maybe they have no channels in Germany |
| 18:09 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 18:10 | <mdz> | they receive all programming simultaneously |
| 18:10 | <nevertheless> | we do have channels here ;-) |
| 18:10 | <Chutt> | it just needs to have a channel entry with the same channel id that shows up in the program entries |
| 18:10 | <mdz> | dijkstra:[~] grep -c mythtv_0.7-._i386.deb /var/log/apache/access.log |
| 18:10 | <mdz> | 116 |
| 18:10 | <mdz> | my word |
| 18:10 | <nevertheless> | I think I better move then wait for somebody to fix that ;-) |
| 18:11 | <Chutt> | mdz, yeah. |
| 18:11 | <Chutt> | you should see the spike on the graphs from yesterday |
| 18:12 | <Chutt> | though the # of downloads wasn't really any higher than normal |
| 18:14 | <mdz> | why's that? |
| 18:17 | <Chutt> | i'd assume most people just looked at screenshots |
| 18:18 | <Chutt> | almost 3000 links from some post on techbargains.com |
| 18:18 | <mdz> | ah |
| 18:18 | <mdz> | I apparently got a spike in downloads, though |
| 18:19 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 18:19 | <mdz> | however, I probably have a >linear growth curve for the .debs |
| 18:19 | <Chutt> | you got the people who thought it'd be easy to get the debs |
| 18:19 | <mdz> | because folks just add it to sources.list and upgrade |
| 18:19 | <Chutt> | right |
| 18:19 | <mdz> | Chutt: are you implying that it's not easy? :-) |
| 18:19 | <mdz> | I screwed 0.7-7 |
| 18:19 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 18:20 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 18:20 | <Chutt> | packaging error? |
| 18:20 | <mdz> | forgot to add a dependency |
| 18:20 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 18:20 | <mdz> | I remember thinking about it; I thought I had |
| 18:20 | <mdz> | I started using pwgen to generate a random password as a default, rather than trying to use an empty one |
| 18:20 | <Chutt> | i've always thought that grabbing the entire package again for a packaging error like that was kinda silly |
| 18:21 | <mdz> | because an empty one apparently didn't work |
| 18:21 | <Chutt> | ah |
| 18:21 | <mdz> | Chutt: that's what apt-listchanges is for :-) |
| 18:21 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 18:21 | <Chutt> | but people that just upgrade blindly =) |
| 18:21 | <mdz> | they deserve what they get |
| 18:22 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 18:22 | <Chutt> | so, > 5k page views yesterday, compared to around 1k normally |
| 18:23 | <mdz> | nice |
| 18:23 | <Chutt> | i'm curious to see the sourceforge stats page when they update things |
| 18:23 | <mdz> | I didn't know they gave you stats |
| 18:23 | <Chutt> | since it counts every hit, and that's a whole lotta screenshots |
| 18:23 | <Chutt> | they just give you hits, downloads, new bugs, stuff like that |
| 18:23 | <Chutt> | and they update it very erratically |
| 18:23 | <Chutt> | and it doesn't seem to be right all that often =) |
| 18:46 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 18:49 | <Chutt> | someone needs to smack that guy on the mailing list who's using suse 8.1 and complaining about perl stuff |
| 18:50 | <Chutt> | like, that's just silly. |
| 18:52 | <Chutt> | mdz, hey, the url in the package description for xmltv is wrong |
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| 19:00 | <sefudier> | humm why would mythtv say it cant open /dev/dsp ? |
| 19:01 | <sefudier> | player: Can't open audio device: /dev/dsp |
| 19:01 | <sefudier> | open audio: Device or resource busy |
| 19:01 | <sefudier> | while everything else can open it |
| 19:01 | <sefudier> | and nothing is using /dev/dsp atm |
| 19:03 | <sefudier> | im geting the same problem as this guy: http://www.snowman.net/pipermail/mythtv-dev/2002-August/000217.html |
| 19:03 | <sefudier> | guess its that fullduplex thing, will check |
| 19:08 | <mdz> | Chutt: reportbug libxmltv-perl |
| 19:08 | <mdz> | Chutt: it's in unstable now :-P |
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| 19:44 | <brtb> | hmm... myth did 2 recordings today that aren't playing right... driving up the cpu to some huge percentage and skipping... not running the hard drive too much though |
| 19:45 | <brtb> | actually... strange, if i foward halfway through it and back up to after the first two minutes it's fine |
| 20:41 | <_shad> | blah. I have to change my video card because only OSS has support for the aureal vortex, but it doesn't support 2.5.x |
| 20:41 | <_shad> | hehe |
| 20:47 | <_shad> | ok |
| 20:47 | <_shad> | i'm dumb |
| 20:47 | <_shad> | video=sound |
| 20:47 | <_shad> | hehe |
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| 21:22 | <soleblaze> | anyone here know if you can setup mythfilldatabase to just grab one day? (it freezes sometimes so I don't get complete weekly listings) |
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| 22:24 | <sefudier> | humm is there a reason why the channel number / translucent rectangle wouldnt fade away? |
| 22:25 | <sefudier> | when i change channels here those stuff arent fading.. :/ |
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| 22:32 | <soleblaze> | anyone here awake? |
| 22:33 | <brunes> | hey all |
| 22:33 | <soleblaze> | hey brunes |
| 22:33 | <brunes> | doe shte myth xmame front end allow you to use other emulators? like, is it just a command line I cna edit? |
| 22:33 | <brunes> | I want it to be able to launch my snes emulator |
| 22:33 | <soleblaze> | no clue here.. |
| 22:34 | <soleblaze> | i just came here to see if anyone can help me with my audio problem.. |
| 22:34 | <brunes> | whats the problem, I mayb be able to help |
| 22:35 | <soleblaze> | it doubles the audio up on me, like it's playing the audio from my tv card and then replaying it from the file it caches |
| 22:35 | <sefudier> | mute the line in |
| 22:36 | <brunes> | yep |
| 22:37 | <sefudier> | humm is there a reason why the channel number / translucent rectangle wouldnt fade away? |
| 22:37 | <sefudier> | <sefudier> when i change channels here those stuff arent fading.. :/ |
| 22:37 | <sefudier> | u know what might bne causing that brunes? |
| 22:37 | <soleblaze> | hm, didn't help. |
| 22:37 | <sefudier> | it should sole.. are you absolutly sure you muted the line in? |
| 22:38 | <brunes> | how does the sound come from your tv tuner... is it line in, or its own audio device |
| 22:38 | <soleblaze> | though CD in, which I muted |
| 22:39 | <brunes> | sefudier: isn't there a fade delay in the settings? |
| 22:39 | <soleblaze> | at least I think I muted |
| 22:40 | <sefudier> | mute the line in also, cant hurt |
| 22:40 | <brunes> | # How long should the OSD stay up for in seconds? |
| 22:40 | <brunes> | int OSDDisplayTime=3 |
| 22:40 | <sefudier> | i think i left that untouched.. let me check |
| 22:45 | <sefudier> | weird.. it was 3.. |
| 22:45 | <sefudier> | but now that i ran it again, its fading |
| 22:47 | <soleblaze> | weird how programs are like that sometimes |
| 22:48 | <sefudier> | yes, very weird |
| 22:48 | <sefudier> | and most v4l programs seem to be like that |
| 22:48 | <soleblaze> | hm, either of you know if it's possible to set mythfilldatabase to just get 1 day instead of 7? it skrews upon me sometimes |
| 22:48 | <sefudier> | its madening |
| 22:48 | <sefudier> | i think there's something mentioning how to do it in the README |
| 22:49 | <soleblaze> | hm alright i'll have to check that again |
| 22:49 | <sefudier> | any of you get: couldnt find defaultosd? |
| 22:50 | <soleblaze> | sefudier: it might'av skrewed up copying the themes over to your theme dir..it did that to me and I have to copy it manually |
| 22:50 | <sefudier> | ahh yes |
| 22:50 | <sefudier> | i remember some error related to that while make'ing |
| 22:50 | <sefudier> | where do i need to copy it to? do you remember? |
| 22:51 | <soleblaze> | /usr/local/share/mythtv/themes is the default dir I believe |
| 22:51 | <sefudier> | thanks |
| 22:57 | <soleblaze> | I can't seem to get themes to work anyways..hm |
| 22:57 | <soleblaze> | sefudier: are you able to get into setup when you run mythfrontend? |
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| 22:59 | <soleblaze> | ah there the thme works |
| 22:59 | <sefudier> | yeah, i cant get any themes other than defaultosd |
| 23:00 | <soleblaze> | think you put it in themes.txt and settings.txt |
| 23:00 | <sefudier> | oh |
| 23:01 | <soleblaze> | what sound driver do you use? oss or alsa? |
| 23:02 | <sefudier> | still.. i got theme=blue in themes.txt and osd=blue, didnt work |
| 23:02 | <sefudier> | alsa |
| 23:03 | <soleblaze> | wonder how well mythtv works with oss |
| 23:06 | <soleblaze> | heh alsa wouldn't get input from cd-in..just broke one day..so I went to oss..and had to recompile half a dozen apps |
| 23:06 | <soleblaze> | would figure if I have to go back to alsa |
| 23:09 | <sefudier> | well mythtv didnt even work with oss here |
| 23:09 | <sefudier> | i just installed alsa an hour or so ago |
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| 23:13 | * soleblaze | crosses his fingers and hopes that alsa works this time |
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| 23:24 | <sefudier> | hehe |
| 23:25 | <sefudier> | btw sole, are there just defaultosd, and oldosd |
| 23:25 | <sefudier> | or are blue and liquid, also osds? |
| 23:35 | <soleblaze> | liquid |
| 23:35 | <soleblaze> | there's loquid, blue, defaultosd, and oldosd |
| 23:35 | <soleblaze> | er liquid |
| 23:35 | <soleblaze> | i have liquid up right now |
| 23:35 | <sefudier> | humm |
| 23:36 | <sefudier> | what did you have to change to make it work? |
| 23:36 | <soleblaze> | just a sec |
| 23:36 | <soleblaze> | str Theme=liquid in theme.txt |
| 23:37 | <soleblaze> | str OSDTheme=liquid in settings.txt |
| 23:37 | <soleblaze> | and have the liquid theme in /usr/local/share/mythtv/themes |
| 23:40 | <sefudier> | weird |
| 23:40 | <sefudier> | defaultosd and oldosd will work |
| 23:40 | <sefudier> | it complains if i try blue or liquid |
| 23:40 | <sefudier> | even though i have str Theme=blue in theme.txt |
| 23:41 | <soleblaze> | are they in the themes dir? |
| 23:41 | <sefudier> | yea |
| 23:41 | <soleblaze> | can they be accessed by the account running mythfrontend? |
| 23:41 | <sefudier> | yep |
| 23:41 | <soleblaze> | weird |
| 23:42 | <soleblaze> | you mightg want to try running make install again in mythtv |
| 23:42 | <sefudier> | hum |
| 23:42 | <sefudier> | it seems though as if liquid and blue arent osds |
| 23:43 | <sefudier> | they dont have osd.txt in them |
| 23:43 | <soleblaze> | ah so I guess you have to use blue/liquid for themes |
| 23:43 | <soleblaze> | and the osd stuff for osds |
| 23:44 | <sefudier> | yea |
| 23:45 | <soleblaze> | hm |
| 23:45 | <soleblaze> | that does make more sense |
| 23:45 | <soleblaze> | i wasn't getting an osd after all lol |
| 23:45 | <soleblaze> | ah good my kernels done |
| 23:46 | <soleblaze> | rebooting |
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| 23:49 | <Chutt> | liquid and blue are menu themes, defaultosd and oldosd are osd themes. |
| 23:50 | <Chutt> | anyway =) |
| 23:52 | <Chutt> | if stuff like the themes didn't install properly, it's a qt bug, fixed in 3.0.6 and in some other distributions by patches |
