| 00:09 | <mdz_> | Chutt: so do you think I should go ahead and publish the mythweb .deb, even though search doesn't seem to work? |
| 00:09 | <Chutt> | it'd be just as good as the 0.7 tarball, right? |
| 00:09 | <mdz_> | yeah, I didn't modify any code |
| 00:10 | <mdz_> | actually, I'd be interested to see if it works better on your unstable system |
| 00:10 | <mdz_> | if you have a chance to try it |
| 00:10 | <mdz_> | I guess it's possible that it doesn't work with the php4-mysql in woody for some odd reason |
| 00:11 | <Chutt> | nope, doesn't work for me either |
| 00:11 | <Chutt> | actually |
| 00:11 | <Chutt> | it's an easy patch |
| 00:12 | <Chutt> | line 160 in search.php |
| 00:12 | <Chutt> | the 'channum' needs to be 'chanid' |
| 00:12 | <mdz_> | ah |
| 00:12 | <Chutt> | then it works |
| 00:12 | <mdz_> | I'll go ahead and patch that, then |
| 00:13 | <Chutt> | i just committed a fix to cvs |
| 00:13 | <Chutt> | that one-liner |
| 00:13 | <mdz_> | that must have been broken since 0.6 or so, no? |
| 00:14 | <mdz_> | isn't that when that changed? |
| 00:14 | <mdz_> | I might have noticed the query failing in my mysql log, except that I had to turn it off because mythtv was eating gratuitous amounts of disk space with its 1-second polling :-P |
| 00:19 | <mdz_> | nice, works now |
| 00:19 | <mdz_> | ok, I've uploaded all that stuff to my repository |
| 00:20 | <mdz_> | Chutt: feel free to announce the mythmusic and mythweb debs whenever you like |
| 00:20 | <mdz_> | Chutt: the new URL is http://dijkstra.csh.rit.edu:8088/~mdz/debian/dists/woody/mythtv/ |
| 00:23 | <mdz_> | and my compliments to you and thor on mythweb; it looks nice |
| 00:23 | <mdz_> | I'm going to bed |
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| 09:29 | <mdz> | Chutt: how many downloads of 0.7 were there at last count? |
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| 11:36 | <Chutt> | mdz, 700 or so |
| 11:37 | <mdz> | Chutt: 80 deb downloads so far |
| 11:37 | <Chutt> | cool. |
| 11:38 | <paperclip> | impressive |
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| 12:50 | <Chutt> | heh, someone linked to me from www.techbargains.com |
| 12:51 | <Chutt> | wondered why the lights on my switch were goin all wacky |
| 12:58 | <paperclip> | have you been slashdotted (yet) |
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| 13:02 | <Chutt> | not from an actual story |
| 13:02 | <paperclip> | bummer |
| 13:02 | <Chutt> | naw, not really |
| 13:02 | <paperclip> | why, you deserve a good slashdotting =) |
| 13:02 | <mdz> | Chutt: if you need some bandwidth in a hurry, I have a potential mirror with plenty to spare |
| 13:03 | <Chutt> | it's fine for now |
| 13:03 | <Chutt> | no-one's downloading anything |
| 13:03 | <mdz> | Chutt: you have only the screenshots on sf, or the releases too? |
| 13:03 | <Chutt> | just the screenshots |
| 13:03 | <Chutt> | which is the vast majority of the traffic |
| 13:04 | <paperclip> | just out of curiosity.. do you know of anyone who's using mythtv with the dishnetwork? |
| 13:05 | <paperclip> | i'd like to figure out which reciever is the "best" |
| 13:06 | <paperclip> | also.. i read most of the website.. but i didn't see where the tv listings are coming from.. |
| 13:07 | <Chutt> | in the us they come from zap2it.com |
| 13:07 | <paperclip> | cool.. |
| 13:07 | <paperclip> | that's what i'm using now.. |
| 13:07 | <vektor> | Are there any hacks to use DVB cards with the dishnetwork? |
| 13:07 | <vektor> | Do you know? |
| 13:08 | <Chutt> | not that i know of |
| 13:08 | <paperclip> | vektor: that'd be the ultimate =) |
| 13:08 | <vektor> | Are there any dish receivers that can output SDI then maybe? |
| 13:08 | <Chutt> | doubt it |
| 13:08 | <vektor> | I heard there were some hacks for DVB cards to be able to do dishnetwork. I haven't looked into it in depth though. |
| 13:09 | <paperclip> | i think getting a DVB card that does card auth would be the trick.. |
| 13:09 | <paperclip> | at least in the US |
| 13:10 | <paperclip> | honestly the most i was hoping for.. was a receiver with a serial port for changing the channels.. |
| 13:13 | <mdz> | I have somewhat more fantastic hope |
| 13:13 | <mdz> | I'd rather just be able to capture the whole stream at once, rather than one channel at a time :-P |
| 13:13 | <paperclip> | http://www.tivofaq.com/Hardware.html#Dish |
| 13:13 | <paperclip> | that'd be great.. |
| 13:14 | <paperclip> | where are you going to get the dvb card? |
| 13:23 | <paperclip> | great page for north americans => http://www.coolstf.com/mpeg/index.html |
| 13:54 | <mdz> | yay, xmltv just got accepted in unstable |
| 13:58 | <paperclip> | hmm.. not in gentoo (yet) |
| 14:34 | <Universe> | hmm... so is someone actually working on a mplayer interface with myth? |
| 14:34 | <paperclip> | what would the interface do? |
| 14:34 | <paperclip> | play other stuff? |
| 14:35 | <Universe> | hmm... play other video files on your hd.. |
| 14:35 | <mdz> | Universe: what sort of interface? just a button which runs mplayer? |
| 14:35 | <paperclip> | i think he means full control.. |
| 14:35 | <paperclip> | ff rew |
| 14:35 | <paperclip> | etc |
| 14:36 | <Universe> | mdz... basically, with mythtv running aviplay and mplayer doesn't work, I have found. |
| 14:36 | <Universe> | even if it isn't recording anything... |
| 14:36 | <mdz> | Universe: really? I'm pretty sure I've done it |
| 14:36 | <Universe> | or playing back |
| 14:36 | <Universe> | really? |
| 14:36 | <Universe> | hmm |
| 14:36 | <mdz> | if it is playing back, I imagine it wouldn't work |
| 14:36 | <Universe> | I will have to try it again when i get home |
| 14:36 | <mdz> | unless you have multiple Xv devices |
| 14:37 | <Universe> | when I tried it... myth was only running |
| 14:37 | <Universe> | nothing was recording or playing back |
| 14:37 | <mdz> | and what happened? |
| 14:37 | <Universe> | it gave me a segment error |
| 14:38 | <Universe> | after I closed mythfrontend.. it worked fine |
| 14:39 | <Universe> | I will test again when I get home |
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| 14:50 | <mdz> | mplayer crashed, or mythfrontend crashed? |
| 14:50 | <Chutt> | heh, odd |
| 14:51 | <Chutt> | they shouldn't interfere with each other |
| 14:51 | <mdz> | Chutt: I'm pretty sure it worked for me when I tried it |
| 14:51 | <mdz> | I have a button on my remote mapped to start mplayer playing a DVD |
| 14:51 | <Chutt> | works for me right now |
| 14:51 | <Universe> | ok |
| 14:52 | <Universe> | something is just messing up on my computer if it doesn't work... |
| 14:52 | <Chutt> | you won't be able to play two things at once, of course |
| 14:52 | <Chutt> | since xv is single access |
| 14:52 | <Universe> | aye... |
| 14:52 | <Universe> | I should be able record and watch something on mplayer, right? |
| 14:52 | <Chutt> | yup |
| 14:53 | <Chutt> | has anyone updated to current cvs in the past few days? |
| 14:54 | <Universe> | I think I did this week sometime |
| 14:54 | <Chutt> | i'm curious what people think of the new record type selection dialog |
| 14:56 | <mdz> | I probably won't be able to update tonight |
| 14:56 | <mdz> | maybe tomorrow |
| 14:56 | <Chutt> | i took out the ok/cancel buttons |
| 14:57 | <Chutt> | and all the check buttons |
| 14:57 | <mdz> | now you just select which type of recording and say ok? |
| 14:57 | <Chutt> | now just just select what type and hit the space/enter key |
| 14:57 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 14:57 | <mdz> | that sounds like an improvement |
| 14:57 | <Chutt> | and it's much more visible what the current selection is on screen |
| 14:57 | <Chutt> | depending on what qt theme you're using, of course |
| 14:57 | <mdz> | I think I can say without seeing it that I prefer the new approach :-) |
| 14:57 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 14:58 | <Chutt> | i'm thinking of modifying the other dialog boxes to match |
| 14:58 | <Chutt> | get rid of the buttons, etc |
| 14:58 | <mdz> | now if I could make space and enter do the same thing in the EPG, I could get rid of my awkward spacebar mapping |
| 14:58 | <Universe> | I will have to update... that update came out right after I downloaded from cvs |
| 14:59 | <Chutt> | mdz, ok |
| 14:59 | <Chutt> | does having 'm' bound to it still work? |
| 15:00 | <Chutt> | since 'm' and 'enter' are the only bindings to exit out of the guide and change channels while watching tv |
| 15:01 | <Chutt> | anyway, enter and space'll do the same thing in the epg after my next commit |
| 15:03 | <mdz> | wth does tv_grab_na print all of its status output to stderr? |
| 15:03 | <mdz> | what does 'm' do? |
| 15:03 | <Chutt> | because it's silly |
| 15:03 | <Chutt> | opens the guidegrid while you're watching tv |
| 15:04 | <mdz> | I have bindings for enter, space, arrows and escape currently |
| 15:04 | <Chutt> | but you don't use live-tv very often, so i doubt you use it =) |
| 15:04 | <mdz> | nope |
| 15:04 | <mdz> | and now that I have mythweb set up, probably even less |
| 15:04 | <Chutt> | ayup |
| 15:05 | <Chutt> | ffmpeg just got a huffyuv encoder |
| 15:05 | <mdz> | oh, nice |
| 15:05 | <mdz> | I looked around and about 50 people had suggested it or talked about implementing it, but nobody did |
| 15:06 | <Chutt> | 'course, it only supports yuv422p, though |
| 15:06 | <mdz> | what do I get from the wintv? yuv420? |
| 15:06 | <Chutt> | that's what mythtv captures currently, yeah |
| 15:07 | <mdz> | but the card supports yuv422p as well? |
| 15:07 | <Chutt> | it should |
| 15:07 | <mdz> | or does it need to be converted? |
| 15:08 | <Chutt> | but mythtv doesn't handle it |
| 15:08 | <Chutt> | lots of stuff is hardcoded for 420p |
| 15:08 | <vektor> | I have a huffyuv-like codec. |
| 15:08 | <Chutt> | yes, you do :p |
| 15:08 | <vektor> | And it can be used easily in mythtv :) |
| 15:08 | <vektor> | If someone wanted to do the support. |
| 15:09 | <Chutt> | yeah, but this is something i wouldn't have to work at |
| 15:09 | <vektor> | oh |
| 15:09 | <vektor> | well mine wouldn't be _that_ much work :) |
| 15:09 | <Chutt> | aside from fixing the internal picture representation |
| 15:10 | <Chutt> | which is something i need to do to support the hardware mjpeg stuff anyway |
| 15:10 | <paperclip> | that would be nice.. =) |
| 15:15 | <mdz> | ffmpeg huffyuv would be very nice for transcoding |
| 15:15 | <mdz> | does it have a decoder as well? |
| 15:15 | <Chutt> | looks to be |
| 15:15 | <Chutt> | it just went into their cvs tree like a half hour ago |
| 15:16 | <mdz> | maybe it's time for me to pick up some gigE hardware ;-) |
| 15:16 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 15:16 | <Chutt> | gige's cheap now |
| 15:16 | <paperclip> | hmm.. matrox is a bit spendy.. |
| 15:17 | <paperclip> | you guys have any hardware suggestions? |
| 15:17 | <Chutt> | i like my matrox drive |
| 15:17 | <Chutt> | but i hear the seagates are quieter |
| 15:17 | <paperclip> | yeah.. |
| 15:18 | <paperclip> | the barracuda VI is suppoesed to be the quiet drive |
| 15:18 | <paperclip> | you only use one drive? |
| 15:18 | <Chutt> | for now, yeah |
| 15:19 | <Chutt> | i'll probably add another one sometime |
| 15:19 | <Chutt> | since the 80 gig i have is a little tight for both music and tv |
| 15:20 | <paperclip> | i guess that's already doable.. |
| 15:20 | <Chutt> | well, if you raid 0 em or whatnot |
| 15:20 | <vektor> | Your matrox drive or your maxtor drive? |
| 15:20 | <Chutt> | er, sorry =) |
| 15:20 | <vektor> | ;-) |
| 15:20 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 15:20 | <paperclip> | ahh.. striping |
| 15:21 | <vektor> | I like stripping. |
| 15:21 | <Chutt> | talking in here, talking to my boss in another channel, gets confusing =) |
| 15:21 | <paperclip> | that's probably almost twice as fast anyway |
| 15:25 | <mdz> | not with IDE disks it's not |
| 15:27 | * mdz | 2>&1's tv_grab_na once and for all |
| 15:27 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 15:27 | <Chutt> | only thing is you lose the error messages |
| 15:27 | <Chutt> | but if you're cronning it, you really don't want them anyway |
| 15:28 | <mdz> | Chutt: well, my plan was to capture error messages and then send mail only if there were errors |
| 15:28 | <mdz> | Chutt: otherwise just write to the log file |
| 15:28 | <mdz> | Chutt: but now I find that there is no way to distinguish between errors and every other message |
| 15:28 | <mdz> | and if anybody suggests pattern matching I'll slap 'em |
| 15:30 | <mdz> | maybe I should fix tv_grab_na |
| 15:30 | * mdz | opens tv_grab_na in an editor |
| 15:30 | <mdz> | maybe not |
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| 15:49 | <paperclip> | mdz: why wouldn't striping be almost twice as fast with ide? |
| 15:50 | <mdz> | paperclip: because IDE disks do not parallelize well |
| 15:54 | <paperclip> | oh |
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| 16:20 | <echo> | mdz: hey.. vektor from #livid tells me you have TV-out working on a Radeon card. |
| 16:26 | <mdz> | echo: yes |
| 16:41 | <vektor> | woop, i did not lie! |
| 17:00 | <paperclip> | apparently these guys will ship dvb cards to the usa |
| 17:00 | <paperclip> | http://www.usa-x.org/shop/index.html |
| 17:01 | <paperclip> | also.. looks like a new inexpensive ($130) is being released tommorrow |
| 17:01 | <Chutt> | still won't get you an activated card, though. |
| 17:01 | <paperclip> | no |
| 17:01 | <paperclip> | there is actually a lot of FTA stuff |
| 17:02 | <paperclip> | and some of the stuff on the dishnetwork isn't encrypted at all. |
| 17:02 | <paperclip> | mostly music.. |
| 17:02 | <paperclip> | anyway.. i'm off to fight back the growth in my lawn |
| 17:27 | <Namapoos> | i am gonna start a rampage soon enough |
| 17:32 | <vektor> | to fight your lawn growth? |
| 17:34 | <Namapoos> | nope |
| 17:34 | <Namapoos> | against parking officers |
| 17:34 | <Namapoos> | i am having a hard time staying calm over here... |
| 17:34 | * Namapoos | is festering with rage |
| 17:37 | * paperclip | slides Namapoos a chill pill Ø |
| 17:37 | * Namapoos | smashes it in rage |
| 17:56 | <Chutt> | hrm |
| 17:56 | <Chutt> | i can't get video outta the huffyuv codec |
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| 18:13 | <Nelo> | Newbie question, will this work with directv? |
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| 19:02 | <eivind> | hello, horrible people. |
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| 21:18 | <msweir> | I am a newbie. What hardware do I wanty to start with? |
| 21:18 | <msweir> | Use Hauppauge WinTV? |
| 21:18 | <msweir> | What Motehrboard? |
| 21:19 | <msweir> | What CPU? |
| 21:19 | <msweir> | This will be a dedicated machine. |
| 21:20 | <msweir> | I would like to have a standalone box - no keyboard, CRT, mouse - but with a ORINOCO wireless link |
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| 21:54 | <kleetus> | anyone chatting? |
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| 21:55 | <m0tion> | hey, do you need a TV tuner in your system to execute MythTV? |
| 21:55 | <kleetus> | actually..myth looks one |
| 21:55 | <kleetus> | which binary though? |
| 21:55 | <m0tion> | i'm using the .deb's |
| 21:56 | <kleetus> | mythfrontend does... |
| 21:56 | <kleetus> | so the answer is yes |
| 21:56 | <m0tion> | well, i wanted to check it out before i go spending money on a TV tuner and that business, but I can't seem to get it to run |
| 21:56 | <m0tion> | complains about /dev/DSP not being available, and some other stuff |
| 21:56 | <kleetus> | right...that it would |
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| 21:57 | <m0tion> | whats actually involved in getting a remote control to work with it? is there a FAQ on this? |
| 21:57 | <kleetus> | m0tion: you would need to edit the code...to see it work w/out the tv-tuner and sound card |
| 21:58 | <kleetus> | remote control FAQ is best summed up at lirc.org |
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| 21:58 | <m0tion> | oh, i see, website seems to be down right now, any recommendations on where to shop for a generic remote? |
| 22:00 | <paperclip> | don't some tv cards come with them? |
| 22:00 | <m0tion> | oh, is that right? |
| 22:01 | <paperclip> | i do believe so.. |
| 22:01 | <m0tion> | hmm, do i need an IR header on my motherboard to use a remote? Or do I need to make sure the TV tuner has support for a remote? |
| 22:01 | <paperclip> | i think some use an ir dongle on a serial port |
| 22:01 | <\dmz\> | is there a known working hardware list? |
| 22:02 | <kleetus> | well there are just config files for remotes |
| 22:02 | <paperclip> | \dmz\: i've only seen real specifics about hw on the mailing list.. |
| 22:02 | <kleetus> | most remotes will work |
| 22:02 | <paperclip> | like don't use radeon aiw |
| 22:02 | <_shad> | hrm |
| 22:02 | <\dmz\> | what |
| 22:02 | <_shad> | When I try to start it, it goes and blanks the screen for a second, then exits with an illegal operation |
| 22:02 | <\dmz\> | 's the best video out? |
| 22:03 | <\dmz\> | card |
| 22:03 | <kleetus> | only a couple weird remote will not work because of the strange frequencies they use |
| 22:03 | <paperclip> | let me see if i can find the post |
| 22:03 | <\dmz\> | as in, best quality picture |
| 22:05 | <kleetus> | i was thinking a packagin a special distro just for mythtv and putting it into an iso.. |
| 22:05 | <paperclip> | http://www.snowman.net/pipermail/mythtv-dev/2002-November/001216.html |
| 22:05 | <paperclip> | kleetus: what would you do about all the variations in hardware? |
| 22:06 | <kleetus> | linux modules..if you think about it...we are just dealing with different sound cards and v4l devices |
| 22:07 | <paperclip> | true.. |
| 22:07 | <kleetus> | i could script it for a setup feature |
| 22:07 | <paperclip> | have you ever looked at knoppix |
| 22:07 | <kleetus> | no what is it? |
| 22:07 | <\dmz\> | will the video out on a g450 work? |
| 22:07 | <paperclip> | it's extremely good at autoconfiguring everyting.. |
| 22:07 | <paperclip> | it's a bootable iso distro |
| 22:07 | <\dmz\> | i have one and the cable and have never used it |
| 22:07 | <paperclip> | quite nice.. |
| 22:07 | <kleetus> | oh...cool |
| 22:08 | <paperclip> | knoppix is also debian based.. |
| 22:09 | <paperclip> | i'm trying to figure out what a decent mythtv box would be.. and the price.. |
| 22:09 | <kleetus> | anyway..packaging everything up would give people an easy backup in case of hdd failure |
| 22:09 | <paperclip> | anyone have any ideas? |
| 22:09 | <paperclip> | there are debs |
| 22:10 | <kleetus> | paperclip: a decent box would be like an athlon 1900+ SiS735 MB and 256MB of ram |
| 22:11 | <kleetus> | which can all be bought from pricewatch.com for fairly cheap |
| 22:11 | <paperclip> | hmm.. |
| 22:12 | <paperclip> | what's special about that mobo? |
| 22:14 | <paperclip> | aslo.. aren't most athlon cooler/psu units loud? |
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| 22:29 | <paperclip> | hmm.. athlon 2100+ $90 sis735 ~$60 256mb $70 Hauppauge wintv-radio (oem) $40 lowprofile black case $70 video card $? Seagate ST380020A 80.0GB $95 that's about $425 am i missing anything? |
| 22:30 | <paperclip> | dvd/cdrw drive =) |
| 22:32 | <paperclip> | that's an extra ~$75 |
| 22:39 | <m0tion> | i don't suppose there is any hope of getting the Component adapter for an ATI card to work so you could output video in HDTV resolutions is there? |
| 22:41 | * paperclip | wouldn't know |
| 22:43 | <_shad> | hrm |
| 22:43 | <_shad> | you all you mythtv to start the first time? :) |
| 22:43 | <m0tion> | huh? =) |
| 22:44 | <_shad> | I'm getting an illegal operation |
| 22:45 | <_shad> | but from the mailing list all I see is to recompile with different optimizations and stuff |
| 22:45 | <_shad> | but I have a celeron, so I don't need to change the pentiumpro, do I? |
| 22:45 | <m0tion> | i dunno, i used the deb's |
| 22:45 | <_shad> | Me too |
| 22:45 | <_shad> | :) |
| 22:45 | <_shad> | same stuff |
| 22:46 | <_shad> | did you recompile the kernel at all? |
| 22:46 | <m0tion> | well, i can't get it to run, but i think it's because my sound card isn't set up and i don't have a tv tuner =) |
| 22:46 | <_shad> | ha |
| 22:46 | <_shad> | ya. |
| 22:46 | <_shad> | :P |
| 22:46 | <m0tion> | i don't think you should have to recompile the kernel |
| 22:46 | <_shad> | I borrowed a tv tuner from work |
| 22:46 | <_shad> | no go. |
| 22:47 | <m0tion> | your place of employment has tv tuners? |
| 22:47 | <_shad> | I work for a computer store |
| 22:47 | <_shad> | :) |
| 22:48 | <m0tion> | oh, yea, come to think of it i used to work at one and we had old tv tuner cards there too =) |
| 22:48 | <_shad> | hehe |
| 22:48 | <m0tion> | computer rennasiance (i never even learned how to spell the name =), it sucked though |
| 22:49 | <_shad> | :P |
| 22:49 | <_shad> | http://shad.hopto.org/~shad/monitor.jpg |
| 22:49 | <_shad> | check out my monitor |
| 22:50 | <m0tion> | isn't it a tv? |
| 22:50 | <_shad> | no |
| 22:50 | <_shad> | :) |
| 22:51 | <m0tion> | what the hell kind of monitor is that then? |
| 22:51 | <_shad> | trade show monitor |
| 22:52 | <m0tion> | oh |
| 22:52 | <m0tion> | does it have VGA input? |
| 22:52 | <_shad> | yep |
| 22:52 | <_shad> | that's it |
| 22:53 | <m0tion> | cool |
| 22:53 | <_shad> | only problem is it seems the red doesn't show bright all the time |
| 22:53 | <_shad> | gonna figure out why |
| 22:59 | <Chutt> | if you get an illegal operation after it's printed out some stuff, your cpu doesn't do mmx |
| 22:59 | <Chutt> | err, mmx2 |
| 22:59 | <Chutt> | need to turn off deinterlacing |
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| 22:59 | <_shad> | hmm |
| 22:59 | <_shad> | thanks |
| 22:59 | <_shad> | gonna try that now |
| 23:00 | <Kuwanger> | Does anyone here know of a means of initializing an ati aiw 128 card without involving X? |
| 23:01 | <_shad> | assembler magic? ;] |
| 23:01 | <_shad> | gatos? |
| 23:01 | <Chutt> | why would you not want to run x? |
| 23:01 | <Kuwanger> | gatos is a project name and a program |
| 23:02 | <Chutt> | and don't say overhead, because that's crap |
| 23:02 | <Kuwanger> | The project involves a driver that supports intialization through X by default. |
| 23:02 | <Kuwanger> | gatos the program uses X |
| 23:02 | <Kuwanger> | Chutt: Because I don't use the card as a primary video card. |
| 23:03 | <Chutt> | err, and so? |
| 23:03 | <Kuwanger> | Chutt: Using the ati card plus the primary card is unstable even after disabling all extensions. I could possibly running two X's using a secondary configuration file and leave it basically dead, but I'm not so sure that'd be stable. |
| 23:03 | <Kuwanger> | +,'s |
| 23:04 | <Chutt> | heh |
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| 23:05 | <_shad> | Kuwanger: isn't there a 'headless' xserver? |
| 23:06 | <Kuwanger> | ? |
| 23:06 | <_shad> | I forget the name |
| 23:06 | <_shad> | hrm |
| 23:06 | <_shad> | gimme a min |
| 23:06 | <Kuwanger> | If it was headless, that really wouldn't help to intialize the video card. |
| 23:07 | <_shad> | it was a xserver without a display |
| 23:07 | <_shad> | heh |
| 23:07 | <_shad> | Idunno |
| 23:07 | <_shad> | umm |
| 23:08 | <_shad> | if you run the xserver to init it, does it still stay initialized after you exit? |
| 23:08 | <Kuwanger> | I can not include a monitor if I don't want a real display. |
| 23:08 | <Chutt> | anyway |
| 23:08 | <Kuwanger> | I've never tried, actually. |
| 23:08 | <Kuwanger> | The whole loading it = system crash sort of was a bit of a deterent.. |
| 23:08 | <Chutt> | you're just wanting to use it as a tuner card? |
| 23:09 | <Chutt> | or what? |
| 23:09 | <Kuwanger> | Yea. |
| 23:09 | <Chutt> | probably be easier to just pick up some cheap tuner-only card somewhere |
| 23:10 | <Kuwanger> | Probably.. |
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| 23:27 | <Kuwanger> | Further analysis would seem to prove my conjecture about stability.. |
| 23:27 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 23:28 | <Kuwanger> | Yea, heh.. |
| 23:29 | <_shad> | hrm |
| 23:29 | <_shad> | I can't change the channel |
| 23:29 | <_shad> | :P |
| 23:30 | <Chutt> | most likely, you didn't answer the questions in setup properly. |
| 23:31 | <_shad> | hrm |
| 23:31 | <_shad> | like which one? |
| 23:31 | <_shad> | I went through all the channels I wanted and stuff |
| 23:31 | <Chutt> | the last set of questions |
| 23:32 | <_shad> | the filldatabase stuff? |
| 23:32 | <Chutt> | no |
| 23:32 | <_shad> | ntsc? |
| 23:32 | <Chutt> | where it sets up which channel sources are attached to which inputs on the video card. |
| 23:33 | <paperclip> | hm.. p4's seem to use less power.. |
| 23:33 | <_shad> | hmm |
| 23:33 | <_shad> | I don't remember seeing that |
| 23:33 | <_shad> | I installed from the .deb |
| 23:34 | * Kuwanger | frowns a bit. |
| 23:35 | <Chutt> | then something probably went wrong when you setup the database |
| 23:35 | <paperclip> | hmm.. p4's are twice the price.. |
| 23:35 | <_shad> | ah |
| 23:35 | <_shad> | I found it |
| 23:35 | <_shad> | :) |
| 23:36 | <paperclip> | change channels ( )yes (x)no |
| 23:38 | <paperclip> | ( ) maybe |
| 23:40 | <_shad> | heh |
| 23:40 | <_shad> | now |
| 23:40 | <_shad> | what's weird is if I set it to canada-cable, all the channels are screwed, and us-cable works |
| 23:41 | <Chutt> | you should use us-cable unless it doesn't work :p |
| 23:41 | <_shad> | :) |
| 23:42 | * paperclip | vexes over hardware somemore |
| 23:42 | <Kuwanger> | Well, where's a good/cheap tv card? :) |
| 23:43 | * Kuwanger | offers to trade his aiw 128 card for a good tv pci card. :) |
| 23:44 | <_shad> | haha |
| 23:44 | <_shad> | do you just set a cronjob once a week to update the epg? |
| 23:45 | <paperclip> | http://www.adc-ast.com/ search for wintv $39 w/fm tuner |
| 23:45 | <Chutt> | the deb did that for you |
| 23:47 | <paperclip> | so.. what's a good card for TV out.. |
| 23:48 | <_shad> | Chutt: sweet |
| 23:49 | <_shad> | hmm |
| 23:49 | <_shad> | so a p3 has mmx2? |
| 23:50 | <paperclip> | i think that's p4 and better.. |
| 23:50 | <Chutt> | no |
| 23:50 | <Chutt> | it's in the p3. |
| 23:51 | <_shad> | hmm |
| 23:51 | <_shad> | I may have a reason to get rid of showshifter and windows now :) |
| 23:52 | <paperclip> | i'm wondering how much power it takes to leave the box on all the time.. |
| 23:52 | <paperclip> | must be quite a bit.. |
| 23:52 | <_shad> | ya |
| 23:53 | <_shad> | my dad isn't too happy about the power bill |
| 23:53 | <_shad> | :) |
| 23:53 | <paperclip> | heh.. |
| 23:53 | <Chutt> | it takes quite a bit of juice to turn a machine on and off all the time. |
| 23:53 | <_shad> | I actually have 2 puters on |
| 23:53 | <paperclip> | i'm the dad around here =) |
| 23:53 | <_shad> | paperclip: hehe |
| 23:53 | <Chutt> | which can easily be more than leaving it on, depending |
| 23:53 | <_shad> | question |
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| 23:53 | <Arelius> | hey |
| 23:53 | <_shad> | there is a lot of hard drive crunching when mythtv is running |
| 23:54 | <paperclip> | i've been playing with some via c3 stuff for a project.. |
| 23:54 | <paperclip> | it's nice.. |
| 23:54 | <_shad> | can I stop it from buffering? |
| 23:54 | <paperclip> | but would need hardware encode/decode |
| 23:54 | <Chutt> | shad, why would you do that? |
| 23:54 | <Arelius> | hows it goinh? |
| 23:56 | <_shad> | Chutt: the hard drive is noisy as hell :) |
| 23:56 | <Chutt> | so buy a quieter one. |
| 23:56 | <_shad> | heh |
| 23:56 | <_shad> | no money |
| 23:56 | * paperclip | gets a drive with fluid bearings |
| 23:56 | <Chutt> | then don't bitch. |
| 23:56 | <_shad> | :) |
| 23:56 | <_shad> | but, what is it buffering? |
| 23:56 | <paperclip> | TV |
| 23:56 | <Chutt> | the stuff you're watching? |
| 23:56 | <paperclip> | duh |
| 23:57 | <_shad> | ya |
| 23:57 | <_shad> | but |
| 23:57 | <Chutt> | but what |
| 23:57 | <_shad> | I use showshifter in windows |
| 23:57 | <_shad> | and it doesn't do it |
| 23:57 | <paperclip> | pause it =) |
| 23:57 | <_shad> | that's why I'm wondering |
| 23:57 | <_shad> | paperclip: yes, I understand that :) |
| 23:57 | <Chutt> | if it doesn't buffer to disk at all, then you're limited to what you can store in ram |
| 23:57 | <Arelius> | well, How about I just ask my question, can I get MythTV working with my DISH reciver, So that it does the channel changing, as opposed to me having to do it through the reciver menu |
| 23:58 | <_shad> | what if i just want to watch live tv, and not be able to go back? |
| 23:58 | <paperclip> | can you later decide to save a show.. while watching it? |
| 23:58 | <Chutt> | arelius, you buy an ir transmitter. |
| 23:58 | <Chutt> | shad, then use a different program |
| 23:58 | <_shad> | Chutt: hehe. |
| 23:58 | <Kuwanger> | Turn on all the ACPI or APM settings and the computer will go "dead" pretty well. |
| 23:58 | <_shad> | mythtv kicks the crap out of any other program I've used |
| 23:58 | <Arelius> | Ok, how would I set it up after I got an IR transmiter |
| 23:59 | <Chutt> | arelius, read the docs? |
| 23:59 | <Arelius> | And would it be possible to get the Guide Info onto MythTV |
| 23:59 | <paperclip> | zap2it has dish listings, eh? |
| 23:59 | <_shad> | Heh. so who's Isaac in here? |
| 23:59 | <Arelius> | I'm sorry, but where would I find the docs |
