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| 04:08 | <blinx> | good morning |
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| 07:32 | <antlarr> | hi |
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| 12:31 | <mdz> | Chutt: 15 downloads of the .deb so far, excluding my own tests |
| 12:32 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 12:32 | <Chutt> | not bad at all |
| 12:32 | <Chutt> | thanks =) |
| 12:33 | <mdz> | I backported the xmltv stuff to woody and put those packages up at the same place |
| 12:33 | <Chutt> | cool |
| 12:33 | <mdz> | since woody has perl 5.6 |
| 12:33 | <Chutt> | right |
| 12:33 | <mdz> | I haven't actually heard feedback from anyone who has installed the package, though |
| 12:34 | <mdz> | hopefully they're all busy enjoying mythtv :-) |
| 12:34 | <Chutt> | i've barely gotten any feedback from the 0.7 release either =) |
| 12:34 | <mdz> | likewise there |
| 12:34 | <Chutt> | right |
| 12:34 | <Chutt> | but, that's fairly normal |
| 12:34 | <Chutt> | unless stuff is broken, people don't tend to speak up |
| 12:35 | <Chutt> | got the g200 to record and playback hardware assisted mjpeg last night =) |
| 12:35 | <Chutt> | but i can't seem to do both at the same time |
| 12:35 | <Chutt> | though i can play stuff back using Xv while recording |
| 12:36 | <Chutt> | so that's a plus, at least |
| 12:36 | <Chutt> | picture quality is great, though the files are _huge_ =) |
| 12:44 | <vektor> | so, it's interlaced in and out? |
| 12:45 | <Chutt> | seems to be |
| 12:45 | <Chutt> | i really haven't looked at it much |
| 12:46 | <Chutt> | was seeing nasty video corruption on playback |
| 12:46 | <Chutt> | until i realized that the output stuff only works right in 16bpp mode |
| 12:46 | <Chutt> | and i haven't messed w/ the tv out yet |
| 12:49 | <vektor> | ahh |
| 12:50 | <Chutt> | once i got playback working right last night, it was really late =) |
| 12:54 | <Chutt> | it'll probably end up being some hardware limitation, no simultaneous encode and decode |
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| 12:57 | <vektor> | Chutt: making mythtv on it useless |
| 12:57 | <Chutt> | well, less useful |
| 12:57 | <Chutt> | at least |
| 12:58 | <Chutt> | software decoding's still possible |
| 13:08 | <mdz> | oh, it does hardware decode as well as encode? |
| 13:08 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 13:08 | <Chutt> | like, 0 cpu usage for each |
| 13:08 | <Chutt> | =) |
| 13:11 | <mdz> | nice |
| 13:16 | <Universe> | new card out? |
| 13:16 | <Chutt> | naw |
| 13:16 | <Universe> | oh.. |
| 13:16 | <Chutt> | this is the g200 that that guy from the list sent me |
| 13:16 | <Universe> | ahh... nice card? |
| 13:17 | <Chutt> | just got it working late last night |
| 13:17 | <Chutt> | so i don't really know yet |
| 13:17 | <mdz> | pricewatch has one for $45 |
| 13:17 | <Universe> | nice |
| 13:17 | <mdz> | that is a lot less than I spent on the card that I have |
| 13:17 | <Universe> | that would be worth it for a hardware encoder decorder |
| 13:18 | <Chutt> | g200-tv |
| 13:18 | <Chutt> | is what it is |
| 13:18 | <mdz> | " MATROX MARVEL G200 16MB TV SGRAM AGP" |
| 13:18 | <mdz> | Universe: we're talking about mjpeg, though |
| 13:19 | <mdz> | I wonder if anyone has worked out a transcoder for MJPEG->MPEG-4 which doesn't just recompress |
| 13:19 | <Chutt> | and it probably only does hardware one way at a time |
| 13:19 | <Chutt> | so it's not _that_ useful |
| 13:19 | <Universe> | oh.. |
| 13:19 | <mdz> | just encoding is way useful |
| 13:19 | <mdz> | decoding in software is fast |
| 13:20 | <Chutt> | well, mplayer's taking > 100% cpu to decode these files |
| 13:20 | <Chutt> | on this p3-550 |
| 13:20 | <mdz> | ? |
| 13:20 | <mdz> | I wonder why |
| 13:21 | <mdz> | does the card have a high-quality and a low-quality mode? |
| 13:21 | <Chutt> | no idea |
| 13:21 | <mdz> | was looking at this: |
| 13:21 | <mdz> | http://www6.tomshardware.com/video/99q4/991118/video-in-18.html |
| 13:21 | <mdz> | which tests the G400 TV |
| 13:25 | <mdz> | interestingly enough, their CPU benchmarks show about 30% utilization on a P3-550 |
| 13:26 | <mdz> | for playback |
| 13:26 | <Chutt> | hrm |
| 13:26 | <Chutt> | well, top shows about 3% for me |
| 13:26 | <mdz> | and about 80% for capture |
| 13:26 | <Chutt> | when i'm using the hardware stuff for both playback and capture |
| 14:02 | <zytta> | hello. |
| 14:02 | <Chutt> | someone just emailed me and asked if i was planning on showing the current program information overlaid on the tv image |
| 14:03 | <vektor> | ahaha |
| 14:03 | <zytta> | ruh-oh! |
| 14:03 | <zytta> | cluebie alert |
| 14:03 | <Chutt> | and he can help with that! |
| 14:03 | <Chutt> | he offered |
| 14:05 | <zytta> | so is MythTV in gentoo yet? |
| 14:05 | <zytta> | I saw something on the list, didn't have e time to read. |
| 14:05 | <Chutt> | i dunno |
| 14:05 | <zytta> | I can emerge it now, but no time fo rthe list. |
| 14:08 | <Chutt> | hey, neat, i got my first email asking why i used qt instead of gtk |
| 14:09 | <mdz> | why did you use C++ instead of awk? |
| 14:12 | <Universe> | it isn't as far as I know |
| 14:12 | <Universe> | ebuild for mythtv |
| 14:12 | <Universe> | I think someone was trying to create one tho |
| 14:14 | <zytta> | I've been with mythtv since day #1 |
| 14:14 | <zytta> | I haven't helped in any way, go me :D |
| 14:15 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 14:19 | <mdz> | welcome to mythtv-dev, also known as gentoo-user-support |
| 14:20 | <mdz> | oh lord, this guy has a VIA C3 |
| 14:21 | <mdz> | which claims to be a 686 but has no MMX |
| 14:21 | <mdz> | among other brokenness |
| 14:22 | <Chutt> | right |
| 14:22 | <Chutt> | i should just add it to the faq |
| 14:22 | <Chutt> | ) Why do I get 'Illegal Instruction' when I try to run anything? |
| 14:22 | <Chutt> | - Your CPU is crap, and won't run things. |
| 14:23 | <Chutt> | Mr. Sibble is getting annoying. |
| 14:24 | <Chutt> | i need to post my thoughts on feature requests to the list sometime |
| 14:24 | <Chutt> | ie, feature request with no patch == ignored |
| 14:27 | <mdz> | now that should go in the FAQ |
| 14:32 | <zytta> | yeah |
| 14:33 | <zytta> | Chutt: you've talked about that for some time now. :P |
| 14:33 | <zytta> | I want you to add Tetris to MythTV (no need for MythGame or whatever :) |
| 14:33 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 14:33 | <Universe> | I want you to make it so I can replace my Tivo HD and use MythTV with it! |
| 14:36 | <Universe> | you were suppose to laugh.. |
| 14:36 | <zytta> | he did |
| 14:36 | <zytta> | inside. |
| 14:36 | <Chutt> | sorry =) |
| 14:36 | <zytta> | He is crying on the outside. |
| 14:36 | <Universe> | I wondre if he has gotten that one before |
| 14:37 | <Chutt> | nope |
| 14:37 | <Universe> | heh |
| 14:37 | <Chutt> | haven't |
| 14:37 | <zytta> | PLZ MAKE ME ABLE TO VIEW PR0N IN MYTVH. MOM SAYS I DON'T CAN WATCH IT. K THX. |
| 14:37 | <Universe> | oohh... I am a first at something at least |
| 14:37 | <Chutt> | some other guy asked for cvs write access so he could commit a couple changes he made |
| 14:38 | <Chutt> | first time he's emailed me |
| 14:38 | <zytta> | :D |
| 14:38 | <zytta> | "hey so, let me have write access. ok? thanks for helping out" |
| 14:38 | <Chutt> | didn't send a patch, or much of a description of what he changed |
| 14:38 | <Universe> | lol |
| 14:38 | <zytta> | maybe he was special, but you didn't realize it. |
| 14:38 | <Universe> | ok... Let me trash your CVS, thanks, bye |
| 14:39 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 14:39 | <zytta> | Hm |
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| 15:49 | <mdz> | a hint for getting the most out of mailing list discussions |
| 15:49 | <mdz> | if your question is not answered within an hour (or you can't be bothered to check), ask your question again with slightly different wording by posting another message |
| 15:49 | <Chutt> | of course |
| 15:50 | <mdz> | this will usually encourage other subscribers to help |
| 15:50 | <Chutt> | yup |
| 15:50 | <mdz> | if it does not, threaten to unsubscribe and quit using the software |
| 15:50 | <mdz> | that always works |
| 15:51 | <Chutt> | 'i was going to help out with the development, but now i'm not so sure' |
| 15:53 | <mdz> | 'if you won't show me how to compile mythtv, I won't contribute any code' |
| 16:01 | <Chutt> | oh, his problem could also be that the oss driver for his soundcard doesn't do full-duplex properly and hangs on the 2nd attempt to open the dsp device |
| 16:03 | <Chutt> | but someone already suggested using alsa, so |
| 16:03 | <mdz> | yeah, I had thought of that |
| 16:03 | <mdz> | but it doesn't sound like ALSA is a viable option |
| 16:04 | <Universe> | yeah |
| 16:04 | <mdz> | it might be nice if myth shipped with a tiny sample recording that people could try to play back before they jump into live TV |
| 16:04 | <Universe> | show me how to run setup and I will code for you |
| 16:04 | <Universe> | basic code is ok, right? |
| 16:05 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 16:05 | <Chutt> | mdz, all that'd catch would be the people that don't have a card that does xv |
| 16:06 | <mdz> | Chutt: and those who have not configured their sound card |
| 16:06 | <Universe> | Chutt... just start putting up "known hardware that works with mythtv IF configured correctly" |
| 16:06 | <Universe> | heh |
| 16:06 | <Chutt> | yeah, but most people can play sound |
| 16:06 | <mdz> | Chutt: and those who have not set up the database |
| 16:06 | <Chutt> | true |
| 16:06 | <mdz> | though I guess it wouldn't even start without that |
| 16:06 | <Chutt> | right |
| 16:06 | <mdz> | the solution is to charge an hourly rate for mythtv support |
| 16:07 | <Universe> | aye |
| 16:07 | <Universe> | that would work too |
| 16:07 | <mdz> | even better |
| 16:07 | <mdz> | find a support company who is willing to support mythtv development in exchnage for referrals :-P |
| 16:07 | <mdz> | then send everyone with questions to them |
| 16:08 | <Chutt> | yeah, that's highly likely |
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| 16:19 | <brunes> | hey, heres a question... would the cache difference between a duron and an athlon (same clock speed0 really make a difference with mythtv? |
| 16:19 | <Chutt> | yes |
| 16:19 | <brunes> | it would eh |
| 16:37 | <brunes> | what are the codec settings mythtv users to encode with? liek what BPS for video and audio (mpeg4). I want ot try some benchmarking |
| 16:54 | <Chutt> | i use the default settings |
| 16:54 | <Chutt> | aside from mpeg4 instead of rtjpeg |
| 16:54 | <Chutt> | kinda why they're the default =) |
| 16:54 | <brunes> | yes |
| 16:54 | <brunes> | but I want to emulate the CPU load using mencoder |
| 16:54 | <brunes> | to see if my cpu could take 2 encoding + 1 decoding at once |
| 16:55 | <brunes> | if it can ill get another tv tuner |
| 16:55 | <Chutt> | 2+ GHz |
| 16:55 | <brunes> | XP 1800 couldnt do it? |
| 16:55 | <Chutt> | if you wanted to do 352x240 or something, sure |
| 16:56 | <brunes> | no.. 640x480 at least |
| 16:56 | <Chutt> | then, no, of course it won't. |
| 16:56 | <Chutt> | not with mpeg4, at least. |
| 16:56 | <brunes> | wel, I can run two divx4 encodings at 640x480 and my comp is still useable |
| 16:57 | <brunes> | so I wasnt sure how much easier this rtjpeg is on the cpu |
| 16:57 | <Chutt> | 'useable' doesn't mean anything. |
| 16:57 | <brunes> | well, no lag |
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| 16:57 | <Chutt> | again, that really doesn't mean anything. |
| 16:58 | <brunes> | is rtjpeg alot easier on the cpu? |
| 16:58 | <Chutt> | why don't you try it and see? |
| 16:58 | <brunes> | I cant get mythtv to run two encoding sessions when I only have one card |
| 16:58 | <brunes> | I am trying to *simulate* the loa dusing mencoder |
| 16:59 | <Chutt> | you can't multiply the load of a single recording by two and add the load of playback? |
| 16:59 | <brunes> | the load of a single one is only 23% |
| 16:59 | <brunes> | so I dont think its accurate |
| 17:00 | <Chutt> | so add that to the load when watching live tv. |
| 17:00 | <brunes> | root 28775 21.8 9.2 50496 23748 pts/4 R 17:59 0:02 mythtv |
| 17:00 | <brunes> | root 28776 0.1 9.2 50496 23748 pts/4 S 17:59 0:00 mythtv |
| 17:00 | <brunes> | root 28777 8.4 9.2 50496 23748 pts/4 R 17:59 0:00 mythtv |
| 17:00 | <brunes> | I dont think thats an accurate guage |
| 17:01 | <brunes> | that would mean I coudl run 3 encoding sessions and 1 decoding! |
| 17:01 | <brunes> | I *dont* think that's right |
| 17:01 | <vektor> | well, maybe you're forgetting that decoding and encoding is limited by the input or output framerate? |
| 17:02 | <vektor> | so, if you have multiple capture cards, some of the cadence created by that will offset your numbers alot... |
| 17:02 | <brunes> | ah |
| 17:02 | <vektor> | I suspect you're coming to wrong conclusions because of that. |
| 17:02 | <vektor> | But, I'm also making theoretical assumptions, I don't have multiple cards. |
| 17:03 | <brunes> | would 640x480 use 2x the cpu of 320x240? |
| 17:03 | * zytta | orders a TiVO |
| 17:04 | <brunes> | tivo uses mpeg2 right |
| 17:04 | <brunes> | how come theres no mpeg2 option in myth? |
| 17:04 | <zytta> | go code it. |
| 17:04 | <brunes> | ok |
| 17:04 | <brunes> | :P |
| 17:05 | <Chutt> | too bad that all software mpeg2 encoders are dirt slow. |
| 17:07 | <Chutt> | i wish mailman had a way to moderate specific people |
| 17:07 | <brunes> | ok, this would be a simple question I think. How much space / half hour does the rtjpeg codec use with its default settings? |
| 17:07 | <Chutt> | why don't you try it and see. |
| 17:07 | <Universe> | tivo does hardware encoding, right? |
| 17:08 | <Chutt> | you're just as capable of testing that out as anyone else is. |
| 17:08 | <Chutt> | universe, yeah |
| 17:08 | <brunes> | well assume someone lready knows |
| 17:08 | <Universe> | ahh.. thought so |
| 17:16 | <vektor> | people assume that alot :) |
| 17:17 | <Chutt> | hmm |
| 17:17 | <Universe> | just play with the settings until you like the quality and then buy a new HD if your current one is too small.. |
| 17:17 | <Universe> | heh |
| 17:17 | <Chutt> | i'm really tempted to make this jeremy oddo guy have all his posts moderated |
| 17:17 | <Chutt> | more work for me, but less crap on the list |
| 17:17 | <Universe> | lol |
| 17:18 | -!- | brunes [] has quit ["A Government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take away everything you have - Barry Goldwater"] |
| 17:51 | <Universe> | mythtv's perm quote |
| 17:51 | <Universe> | Sure, send in a patch. |
| 17:51 | <Universe> | Isaac |
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| 17:53 | <Chutt> | i rather like the guy who think you can't encode mpeg4 in real time |
| 17:54 | <Universe> | I was just reading that |
| 18:05 | <brunes> | im playing with myth in dual tune rmode... if you're watching tv, and a program is scheduled ot be recorded ona diff channel, does myth automagiclly use the second tuner to record it, and disable the PIP functionality? |
| 18:10 | <brunes> | hrm doesnt seem to |
| 18:11 | <brunes> | If I have an in progress recording and choose "Watch TV" it just says that ome is in progress, asks me if I want to cancel, etc |
| 18:11 | <brunes> | doesn't use the other tuner |
| 18:12 | <Universe> | you could chose to watch it |
| 18:12 | <brunes> | yes |
| 18:12 | <brunes> | but I cant watch something else |
| 18:12 | <Universe> | then check inputs with pressing c |
| 18:12 | <brunes> | using the second tuner |
| 18:12 | <brunes> | it always uses tuner # 1 |
| 18:12 | <brunes> | C switches from cable to composite, etc |
| 18:13 | <Universe> | thats write |
| 18:13 | <brunes> | oh I see what you mean |
| 18:13 | <Universe> | err right |
| 18:13 | <Universe> | not sure what changes tuners |
| 18:13 | <brunes> | hrm |
| 18:13 | <brunes> | it should switch tuners auto if one is in use |
| 18:16 | <brunes> | where are those settings stored? |
| 18:16 | <brunes> | they dont seem to be in /usr/local/share/settings.txt |
| 18:19 | <Universe> | its in the database.. I believe |
| 18:19 | <Universe> | because when you run setup.. you set how many tuners you have |
| 18:20 | <brunes> | ah |
| 19:05 | <vektor> | Anyone here from europe? |
| 19:29 | <Universe> | I think thats a big no vektor |
| 19:30 | <vektor> | oh yeah. |
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| 19:34 | <vektor> | also, i need to find someone who uses "canada-cable" |
| 19:41 | <Universe> | can't help there.. I am in the US.. |
| 19:41 | <brunes> | vec: I used to use canada-cable :) |
| 19:41 | <brunes> | now I have no cable |
| 19:47 | <vektor> | oh |
| 19:47 | <vektor> | Universe: canada-cable is, i believe, something non-existant, and merely a bad name for a north american cable standard. |
| 19:47 | <vektor> | Universe: but i need to figure that out conclusively. |
| 19:48 | <Chutt> | it's most likely named that way because someone in canada added it to xawtv. |
| 19:49 | <Universe> | ahh |
| 19:49 | <Chutt> | so far, someone in vancouver needed to use it, someone at a college where they have their own internal cable system, and someone at some apartment complex where they re-transmit satellite over cable. |
| 19:50 | <Chutt> | and a couple more people on the list |
| 19:50 | <Chutt> | iirc. |
| 19:53 | <vektor> | Chutt: Thanks. |
| 19:53 | <vektor> | I'm still trying to figure out conclusively where it comes from. |
| 19:53 | <vektor> | Like, if it's actually something more standard. |
| 19:53 | <Chutt> | the other people on the list were actually in canada |
| 19:53 | <Chutt> | but the guy at college and the apartment were in the US |
| 19:56 | <vektor> | I think I believe diz' suggestion that it's just IRC cable. |
| 19:56 | <vektor> | since the channels 5 and 6 are messed. |
| 19:56 | <Chutt> | with every channel offset by a constant amount? |
| 19:57 | <vektor> | IRC isn't an offset by a constand amount. |
| 19:57 | <vektor> | IRC is just broadcast cable with different frequencies for 5 and 6 |
| 19:57 | <Chutt> | irc is 0, except for 5 and 6 |
| 19:57 | <Chutt> | hrc is -1.25 with a couple exceptions |
| 19:57 | <Chutt> | no? |
| 19:57 | <vektor> | yes. |
| 19:58 | <vektor> | but if you look at canada-cable, it's just the same as us-cable but a .5MHz difference. |
| 19:58 | <Chutt> | this is +6.625, iirc |
| 19:58 | <vektor> | i don't think so. |
| 19:58 | <Chutt> | or close to that |
| 19:58 | <vektor> | is it? |
| 19:58 | <Chutt> | the guy that was in here the other day said a finetuning of 106 worked for him |
| 19:58 | <Chutt> | going off of the us-cable table |
| 19:58 | <vektor> | hrm |
| 19:58 | <Chutt> | that's 6.625 |
| 19:59 | <vektor> | because if you ignore the off-by-one this is exactly IRC cable |
| 19:59 | <Chutt> | no, it's exactly it + a little bit |
| 19:59 | <vektor> | since channels 5 and 6 are different, but all the others match the channels correctly within tolerance. |
| 19:59 | <vektor> | but that's within tolerance. |
| 19:59 | <Chutt> | right, a small amount off |
| 19:59 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 19:59 | * vektor | looks up tollerances again :) |
| 20:00 | <Chutt> | don't all TVs search up and down 2? |
| 20:00 | <Chutt> | or something like that |
| 20:00 | <vektor> | hmm, what do you mean? |
| 20:00 | <vektor> | sounds cool :) |
| 20:00 | <Chutt> | they autotune |
| 20:01 | <vektor> | yeah they do, and we can probably do it too :) |
| 20:01 | <vektor> | that's what i want to do anyway |
| 20:01 | <Chutt> | right |
| 20:01 | <vektor> | but that's why i really want to figure this one out :) |
| 20:01 | <vektor> | because i'm wondering if it's something that TVs figure out automatically |
| 20:02 | * vektor | uses channel 21 as a reference. |
| 20:02 | <vektor> | ok |
| 20:03 | <vektor> | yeah this off-by-one thing is soo weird. |
| 20:03 | <Chutt> | that's what i thought when some guy emailed my list saying that all his channels were off by one when he recorded something |
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| 20:12 | <Echo465> | I'm having a problem getting XML::Writer installed, and having trouble finding a solution... |
| 20:12 | <Echo465> | it gives me the error 'Error: Unable to locate installed Perl libraries or Perl source code.' |
| 20:13 | <Chutt> | email the xmltv mailing list |
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| 20:23 | <mdz_> | Chutt: 22 downloads |
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| 20:24 | <OrangeSun> | hey guys!! |
| 20:24 | <OrangeSun> | what's the good word? |
| 20:24 | <OrangeSun> | "TV"? |
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| 21:48 | <Echo465> | I'm having trouble getting XML::Twig to install, specifically the dependancy XML::Parser.. |
| 21:48 | <Chutt> | email the xmltv mailing list. |
| 21:48 | <Chutt> | or the xml::twig guy |
| 21:48 | <Chutt> | or whatever. |
| 21:49 | <Echo465> | sigh |
| 21:49 | <brtb> | xml::twig needs xml::parser which needs the exa[t library |
| 21:49 | <brtb> | erm |
| 21:49 | <brtb> | expat library |
| 21:49 | <Chutt> | there's working debian packages of xmltv. if you choose not to run debian, that's great, but no compile support for software i didn't even write for you. |
| 21:50 | <Echo465> | damn, who pissed in your wheaties this morning? |
| 21:50 | <Chutt> | why don't you try asking questions in the proper place for them? |
| 21:51 | <Echo465> | well, let's see. lets say that i'm following the directions in the README. oh, it doesn't work. hmm. |
| 21:51 | <Chutt> | this isn't a general tech support channel |
| 21:51 | <Echo465> | how about the readme just containing 'install it. if you have issues, fuck off'. |
| 21:52 | <Echo465> | btw, thanks for the tip, brtb |
| 21:52 | <Universe> | you except someone to support someone elses software? |
| 21:52 | <Universe> | lol |
| 21:52 | <Echo465> | Universe: no, but if it's a dependancy, it might be nice to have it listed in the readme. |
| 21:52 | <Universe> | are you the same person that called modem support for a windows problem? |
| 21:53 | <Chutt> | err, the readme says 'you need xmltv' |
| 21:53 | <Chutt> | i'm not going to go through and list all of xmltv's dependencies. |
| 21:53 | <Chutt> | xmltv's readme does that. |
| 21:54 | <Echo465> | ok, fine, whatever. |
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| 22:22 | <OrangeSun> | yikes.. |
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| 22:51 | <mirk_dt> | Howdy. I've got mythtv running (sort of), but the video seems to be about 4X the size of my monitor so I only see the upper left quadrant of the video. Any idea what might be causing this? |
| 22:53 | <Echo465> | what kind of tv card are you using? |
| 22:54 | <mirk_dt> | Hauppage WinTV stereo |
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| 22:59 | <mdz_> | mirk_dt: does it happen in the menu, too, or only when you watch video? |
| 23:02 | <mirk_dt> | hmm. |
| 23:02 | <mirk_dt> | haven't tried the menu yet. |
| 23:05 | <Echo465> | I am having an issue compiling mythtv 0.7 on Mandrake 9. Following the directions from the readme, make gives the following: |
| 23:05 | <Echo465> | /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXext |
| 23:06 | <Chutt> | you're most likely missing the xfree -dev rpms |
| 23:06 | <brtb> | was just about to say, you need the X development stuff |
| 23:06 | <Echo465> | ok, i'll install that and try again. thanks. |
| 23:07 | <Chutt> | also, are you following the README.mandrake9.0? |
| 23:07 | <mirk_dt> | it appears that the on-screen menus are stretched to about twice the screen width, too. |
| 23:07 | <Chutt> | mirk_dt, from mythfrontend? |
| 23:07 | <Echo465> | Chutt: yes I am, version 1.3 |
| 23:07 | <Chutt> | are you running xinerama, dual head of some sort? |
| 23:08 | <mirk_dt> | mythtv...i'll check mythfrontend now... |
| 23:09 | <mirk_dt> | mythfrontend looks good. |
| 23:09 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 23:09 | <mirk_dt> | not stretched at all. |
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| 23:09 | <Chutt> | right |
| 23:11 | <Echo465> | maybe a PAL vs NTSC issue? |
| 23:11 | <Chutt> | naw, more likely some weirdness in X |
| 23:12 | <Echo465> | adding the xfree stuff worked, btw. |
| 23:12 | <Chutt> | mirk_dt, what windowmanager? xinerama? ah, maybe you're running some virtual resolution higher than the actual resolution? |
| 23:12 | <mirk_dt> | using NTSC which is right for the U.S. |
| 23:12 | <mirk_dt> | kde |
| 23:13 | <mirk_dt> | actual resolution is 1280x1024 |
| 23:13 | <mirk_dt> | not using virtual resolution |
| 23:13 | <Chutt> | heh, odd |
| 23:14 | <Chutt> | do'ya mind making a source mod and recompiling? |
| 23:14 | <mirk_dt> | no. |
| 23:14 | <mirk_dt> | what? |
| 23:14 | <Chutt> | libs/libNuppelVideo/XJ.cpp |
| 23:14 | <mirk_dt> | finding it... |
| 23:15 | <Chutt> | insert: printf("%d %d\n", XJ_screenwidth, XJ_screenheight); |
| 23:15 | <Chutt> | on line 83 |
| 23:16 | <Chutt> | then i just want to know what that prints out when you run mythtv with that compiled in there |
| 23:16 | <mirk_dt> | compiling. |
| 23:16 | <Chutt> | you don't have to make clean or anything like that |
| 23:18 | <mirk_dt> | hmm...do i need to make install or can I just run the mythtv binary? |
| 23:18 | <Chutt> | probably should make install |
| 23:19 | <mirk_dt> | ok. installing.. |
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| 23:23 | <mirk_dt> | Where's that output supposed to come out? I don't get any extra lines in my xterm. |
| 23:23 | <Chutt> | should've gone there |
| 23:23 | <mirk_dt> | hmm. and mythtv is not working now :( |
| 23:23 | <mirk_dt> | wonder what I broke? |
| 23:23 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 23:24 | <mirk_dt> | ok. got video. |
| 23:24 | <mirk_dt> | output to xterm was: |
| 23:24 | <mirk_dt> | 1280 1024 |
| 23:24 | <Chutt> | hit 'f' while it's playing back video |
| 23:25 | <mirk_dt> | nothing happened. |
| 23:25 | <Chutt> | err, hrm |
| 23:27 | <Chutt> | ah, i don't know, then |
| 23:27 | <mirk_dt> | thanks anyway. |
| 23:28 | <Chutt> | sorry |
| 23:28 | <Chutt> | all the video output stuff is in that same file if you feel like debugging any further |
| 23:29 | <mirk_dt> | ok. |
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| 23:49 | <OrangeSun> | Chutt: is there any way to make it so it automagically goes to composite input? |
| 23:49 | <OrangeSun> | like, so that's the default, instead of having to hit 'C' everytime? |
| 23:50 | <Soopaman> | if i make a "ln -sf <$target file> <link name>", if i save something to <link name> will it overwrite the link, or will is save it to the target file? |
| 23:50 | <OrangeSun> | Soopaman: target file |
| 23:50 | <Soopaman> | hmm.... |
| 23:51 | <Soopaman> | i must be screwing up the syntax or something |
| 23:51 | <OrangeSun> | Soopaman: what are you trying to do? |
| 23:51 | <Soopaman> | OrangeSun, i have a frozen configured linux dist. that has a singular partition for saving certain config files |
| 23:52 | <OrangeSun> | define "frozen" in this context. |
| 23:53 | <Soopaman> | but since $HOME is created/cleaned everyboot, i hope to use boot time symlinks to keep configurations in the config partition, but visible in the normal system |
| 23:54 | <Soopaman> | frozen as in you cannot alter anything outside of of the config/writable partition |
| 23:54 | <Soopaman> | which is only used to save conf settings/certain files |
| 23:54 | <OrangeSun> | is the partition mounted read/write? |
| 23:55 | <OrangeSun> | Soopaman: I have been using linux a long time, but have never really done more than just fixing things that were broken for me, so unfortunately i can't really reply with more than the generics.. |
| 23:55 | <Soopaman> | hmm... |
| 23:55 | <Soopaman> | there must be a way.... |
| 23:55 | <OrangeSun> | what distro? |
| 23:55 | <Soopaman> | that doesn't involve copying |
| 23:56 | <Echo465> | nifty, i've got it working. |
| 23:57 | <Echo465> | decent performance too. |
| 23:57 | <mdz_> | Soopaman: it depends on how you modify the files |
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| 23:57 | <mdz_> | Soopaman: some editors, for example, will rename the file and then write out a new one |
| 23:57 | <mdz_> | Soopaman: in which case your symlink is replaced with a real file |
| 23:57 | <mdz_> | if the file is just overwritten, or modified in-place, then the symlink will stay |
| 23:58 | <Soopaman> | hmm.. |
