| 00:00 | <Chutt> | ibm makes crappy drives |
| 00:00 | <brtb> | yep |
| 00:00 | <Chutt> | had an ibm tech tell me that 'oh, that's not your harddrive making that noise' |
| 00:01 | <mdz_> | Chutt: are you using 3300kbit/sec now? |
| 00:01 | <Chutt> | yes |
| 00:02 | <mdz_> | do you notice much of a difference from 2200? |
| 00:02 | <Chutt> | little cleaner video |
| 00:02 | <Chutt> | not really hurting for disk space |
| 00:02 | <Chutt> | so |
| 00:02 | <Chutt> | i really hate how apt always messes up a large upgrade |
| 00:02 | <brtb> | how much does space/hour does it take up at 3300? |
| 00:03 | <Chutt> | 1.5GB/hour |
| 00:03 | <Chutt> | assuming you compress the audio, of course |
| 00:03 | <mdz_> | sloccount says 71,372 |
| 00:03 | <brtb> | oh that's not too bad |
| 00:03 | <Chutt> | sloccount does wacky things |
| 00:03 | <mdz_> | including some sh that is probably mine |
| 00:04 | <mdz_> | it's tough to compare bitrates side-by-side |
| 00:04 | <mdz_> | I've gone up to 2700 and don't notice much of a difference from 2200 |
| 00:04 | <mdz_> | I wanted to try to get rid of some of the artifacts I see |
| 00:04 | <mdz_> | they're not in the middle of the scene or anything, but they're noticeable if you look for them |
| 00:05 | <mdz_> | if I were to record a movie to keep for a while, I would not want them |
| 00:05 | <mdz_> | which leads into the question of per-recording bitrate selection |
| 00:05 | <Chutt> | eventually |
| 00:06 | <mdz_> | eventually because of lack of interest, or eventually because of higher priority stuff? |
| 00:06 | <Chutt> | higher priority stuff |
| 00:06 | <mdz_> | i.e., would you merge a patch if someone sent you one? |
| 00:06 | <Chutt> | yup |
| 00:06 | <mdz_> | ok |
| 00:06 | <Chutt> | if it were done right |
| 00:06 | <mdz_> | because once I get my IR blaster, I'll probably want to record movies |
| 00:06 | <Chutt> | wow, got another 3 packages installed that run |
| 00:06 | <mdz_> | lots of breakage? |
| 00:06 | <Chutt> | apt rocks |
| 00:06 | <Chutt> | apparently |
| 00:07 | <mdz_> | speaking of apt, I've set up a repository with the mythtv deb |
| 00:07 | <Chutt> | 422 packages to install |
| 00:07 | <Chutt> | excellent |
| 00:08 | <brtb> | hmm that reminds me, need to see how slackware 9's coming |
| 00:08 | <mdz_> | deb http://dijkstra.csh.rit.edu:8088/~mdz/mythtv/ ./ |
| 00:08 | <mdz_> | untested |
| 00:08 | <Chutt> | heh, neat |
| 00:08 | <mdz_> | well, the deb is tested, but not the repository :-P |
| 00:08 | <Chutt> | right |
| 00:09 | <mdz_> | it's the deb I'm using, so it has the old ringbuffer stuff |
| 00:09 | <Chutt> | ah |
| 00:09 | <Chutt> | no problem there |
| 00:09 | <mdz_> | I would be very interested to hear comparisons of that deb vs. stock 0.7 |
| 00:09 | <mdz_> | especially from people on slower processors |
| 00:09 | <Chutt> | well |
| 00:09 | <mdz_> | because I'm not crazy |
| 00:09 | <brtb> | ya know i should try debian again |
| 00:09 | <Chutt> | john said it fixed the problem for him |
| 00:09 | <brtb> | haven't tried it in a while |
| 00:09 | <Chutt> | which was the io starvation |
| 00:10 | <Chutt> | and he's the guy that did all the a/v sync stuff =) |
| 00:10 | <mdz_> | Chutt: he fixed his I/O bottleneck and gave me a CPU bottleneck :-P |
| 00:10 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 00:10 | <mdz_> | robbing from Peter to pay Paul |
| 00:10 | <Chutt> | actually |
| 00:10 | <mdz_> | brtb: go for it |
| 00:10 | <Chutt> | i'll just fix it so it only uses the write thread when it's using rtjpeg |
| 00:10 | <mdz_> | brtb: if you can make it past the installer, you might just never go back |
| 00:11 | <mdz_> | Chutt: that doesn't sound bad at all |
| 00:11 | <brtb> | well i've been using slack since about 3.2, it'll probably take a lot for me to switch, lol |
| 00:11 | <Chutt> | just make that threadedwriter a child of some write abstraction virtual base class |
| 00:11 | <Chutt> | and one of the children just straight inlined writes |
| 00:11 | <Chutt> | 378 packages left to install |
| 00:12 | <Chutt> | the result of 3 more apt runs =) |
| 00:12 | <-- Syn- | has quit ("* k8 liked it better when syn was too busy working and couldnt play quake | <k8> HISYN | <a|wiseguy> syn has it right, esp un) |
| 00:16 | <mdz_> | just uploaded the xmltv stuff to incoming |
| 00:18 | <Chutt> | sweet |
| 00:27 | <Chutt> | 302 left :( |
| 00:27 | <mdz_> | wtf is taking so many iterations? |
| 00:28 | <Chutt> | i dunno |
| 00:28 | <Chutt> | kde, perl |
| 00:28 | <mdz_> | is it aborting and then fixing the packages in the next run? keeping them back? |
| 00:28 | <mdz_> | are you running a dist-upgrade? |
| 00:28 | <Chutt> | aborts, then fixes it next run |
| 00:28 | <Chutt> | using apt through dselect |
| 00:29 | <mdz_> | dselect... |
| 00:29 | * mdz_ | peers at Chutt |
| 00:29 | <Chutt> | i've been using debian for quite some time :p |
| 00:30 | <Chutt> | seems to be going further this time |
| 00:30 | <Chutt> | doesn't help that the machine's old |
| 00:31 | <mdz_> | I've never taken a liking to dselect |
| 00:31 | <Chutt> | i dunno |
| 00:32 | <Chutt> | i'm comfortable with it |
| 00:32 | <mdz_> | aptitude is nicer, but I just prefer the command line |
| 00:32 | <Chutt> | got pissed off when they changed the stupid keybinding to exit out of help recently |
| 00:32 | <mdz_> | did they change it to something less stupid? |
| 00:32 | <Chutt> | talk about utterly gratuitous changes |
| 00:32 | <mdz_> | it was '.' or something, right? |
| 00:32 | <Chutt> | it was space |
| 00:32 | <Chutt> | now it's enter |
| 00:32 | <mdz_> | oh, right |
| 00:32 | <mdz_> | and '.' for the next page |
| 00:32 | <Chutt> | right |
| 00:32 | <mdz_> | that's insane |
| 00:33 | <Chutt> | yeah, but why is enter better than space? |
| 00:33 | <Chutt> | especially for something that's been the same interface for years |
| 00:33 | <mdz_> | I've seen so many people try to use dselect and get frustrated at the completely unintuitive help |
| 00:33 | <mdz_> | I agree that seems like a gratuitous change |
| 00:33 | <Chutt> | i dunno |
| 00:33 | <Chutt> | i just use it |
| 00:33 | <mdz_> | but if they're going to go fixing keybindings, there are much worse |
| 00:33 | <Chutt> | it's like, really fast to use and stuff |
| 00:34 | <mdz_> | aptitude has a sweet feature where if you install a package, and it pulls in dependencies, and then you remove the package, it would remove the deps for you automagically |
| 00:34 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 00:34 | <Chutt> | that would be nice |
| 00:34 | <Chutt> | apt just needs to remove stuff first |
| 00:34 | <Chutt> | that it's supposed to remove |
| 00:34 | <mdz_> | it does |
| 00:35 | <Chutt> | no, it doesn't |
| 00:35 | <mdz_> | dselect is probably making things worse :-P |
| 00:35 | <Chutt> | naw, i ran some junk in apt to help clear it out |
| 00:35 | <mdz_> | if you just run apt-get dist-upgrade, it processes any removals before upgrades and installs |
| 00:35 | <Chutt> | back in dselect, because apt gave up |
| 00:35 | <Chutt> | it processed half the removals, then started some upgrades |
| 00:35 | <Chutt> | which is how i got into this mess |
| 00:35 | <Chutt> | but it seems to have cleared itself out now |
| 00:36 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 00:36 | <mdz_> | out of curiosity, do you use apt-listchanges? |
| 00:36 | <Chutt> | so the only responses to the question about the status of the gcc 3.2 switchover on d-d is a bunch of 'nfc' |
| 00:36 | <Chutt> | nope |
| 00:37 | <Chutt> | i do everything in dselect, mostly |
| 00:37 | <Chutt> | very, very rarely even use apt-get install <blah> |
| 00:37 | <mdz_> | apt-listchanges works fine in dselect |
| 00:39 | <mdz_> | it's pretty useful for dodging brokenness in unstable, and keeping up with changes in stuff you use |
| 00:39 | <mdz_> | but I'm biased |
| 00:39 | <Chutt> | i always manage to upgrade at exactly the wrong time |
| 00:40 | <mdz_> | at least you don't use GNOME |
| 00:40 | <Namapoos> | mythtv is apt-gettable now? |
| 00:40 | <mdz_> | that stuff is so broken right now |
| 00:41 | <mdz_> | Namapoos: more or less |
| 00:41 | <Chutt> | i used to use gnome |
| 00:41 | <Chutt> | then i realized it was utter crap |
| 00:41 | <mdz_> | it really is |
| 00:41 | <Chutt> | and stopped |
| 00:42 | <mdz_> | I'm fine with just a window manager myself these days |
| 00:42 | <mdz_> | but KDE looks to be about a million miles ahead of gnome |
| 00:42 | <mdz_> | and I've only looked at the stuff in Debian |
| 00:42 | <mdz_> | which I guess is a generation behind |
| 00:42 | <mdz_> | (behind leading-edge KDE) |
| 00:43 | <mdz_> | do you use that stuff, or kde 3? |
| 00:43 | <Chutt> | kde3 |
| 00:44 | <Chutt> | the debs that are available from kde's download sites |
| 00:44 | <Chutt> | it's really quite slick |
| 00:44 | <Chutt> | though, really, i just use the window manager, konq, and kmail |
| 00:49 | <mdz_> | konquerer seems pretty nice |
| 00:49 | <mdz_> | though I prefer galeon for a browser, and I'm not much of a file manager user |
| 00:49 | <Chutt> | i just use it as a browser |
| 00:50 | <mdz_> | knoppix uses KDE, that is cool stuff |
| 00:52 | <mdz_> | do you want to put something on the mythtv website with all of the apt sources necessary to install the mythtv deb? |
| 00:52 | <mdz_> | or wait for the xmltv stuff to get into unstable and tell people to use that? |
| 00:53 | <Chutt> | i'll wait for it to get into unstable |
| 00:54 | <mdz_> | liblame, of course, will never get there |
| 00:54 | <Chutt> | right |
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| 00:56 | <brtb> | grr, i have to get a hard drive patch or something, 2.4.18 doesn't recognize the athlon's southbridge |
| 00:56 | <Chutt> | well |
| 00:56 | <Chutt> | you should be using 2.4.19 |
| 00:56 | <Chutt> | or one of the -20 prepatches |
| 00:57 | <Chutt> | and try using the -ac patch series as well |
| 01:04 | <mdz_> | you use liblame directly, not libavcodec->liblame, right? |
| 01:04 | <Chutt> | right |
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| 01:07 | <mdz_> | I see a severe flicker with the transparent EPG |
| 01:07 | <mdz_> | any idea what that is? |
| 01:07 | <Chutt> | on redraw? |
| 01:07 | <mdz_> | no, constantly |
| 01:07 | <mdz_> | I don't remember seeing it with the white background |
| 01:07 | <Chutt> | err, really? |
| 01:07 | <Chutt> | weird |
| 01:07 | <Chutt> | does the menu flicker at all? |
| 01:08 | <mdz_> | nope |
| 01:08 | <mdz_> | and I don't see the flicker on my CRT, of course, only on the TV |
| 01:08 | <Chutt> | ah |
| 01:08 | <Chutt> | hmm |
| 01:08 | <Chutt> | what resolution is the tv out? |
| 01:09 | <mdz_> | 800x600 |
| 01:10 | <Chutt> | can you try with the 'liquid' theme as well? |
| 01:13 | <mdz_> | hmm, it's still there, but significantly less noticeable |
| 01:13 | <mdz_> | I think it's just the colours |
| 01:13 | <mdz_> | which bring it out |
| 01:14 | <mdz_> | I just had my first scheduled recording go with the new version, and the a/v sync is screwed |
| 01:14 | <mdz_> | not sure why |
| 01:16 | <brtb> | mdz... i just put in 0.7... my cpu usage has gone DOWN 20% same settings |
| 01:16 | <Chutt> | how far up? |
| 01:16 | <Chutt> | err, off |
| 01:16 | <Chutt> | not up |
| 01:17 | <mdz_> | Chutt: unwatchable...video is slowed way down, and audio comes in and out about twice per second |
| 01:17 | <mdz_> | hmm, playing it back in mplayer has slightly fast both audio and video |
| 01:18 | <brtb> | video used to be 85%, down to 55-60% |
| 01:18 | <Chutt> | mdz, i dunno :( |
| 01:18 | <Chutt> | it's just fine for me |
| 01:18 | <Chutt> | i just started a recording |
| 01:19 | <Chutt> | and started watching it shortly after it started |
| 01:19 | <mdz_> | watching live works fine |
| 01:19 | <mdz_> | but this recording is quite hosed |
| 01:20 | <mdz_> | the video looks normal in the preview window |
| 01:21 | <mdz_> | let me try another recording |
| 01:24 | <mdz_> | audio sounds fine, but video is a bit choppy |
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| 01:27 | <brtb> | wasn't setup supposed to wipe out scheduled recordings? |
| 01:27 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 01:27 | <brtb> | it... didn't |
| 01:27 | <Chutt> | except for anytime recordings |
| 01:27 | <mirk_dt> | I'm going to buy a video card with TV out so I can use mythtv. I'd appreciate recommendations of cards that are well supported under linux and have good quality output. |
| 01:27 | <Chutt> | i don't like to recommend hardware. |
| 01:28 | <mirk_dt> | ok. anyone else? |
| 01:28 | <brtb> | stay away from ati all-in-wonder boards, only suggestion I have |
| 01:29 | <mirk_dt> | cool |
| 01:29 | <brtb> | my tv-out method is a scan converter hooked to the vga port |
| 01:29 | <KeyserSoze> | how about nvidia geforce 4 ti's? |
| 01:29 | <Chutt> | mdz, so, what'd you break? :p |
| 01:30 | <mdz_> | Chutt: damned if I know |
| 01:30 | <mdz_> | Chutt: but it's definitely broken |
| 01:30 | <mirk_dt> | i've got an nvidia gforce2 in my laptop and haven't been too impressed with the proprietary drivers. |
| 01:30 | <Chutt> | why? |
| 01:30 | <Chutt> | do you commonly modify your video card driver's source? |
| 01:31 | <mdz_> | I think maybe it doesn't like the higher bitrate |
| 01:31 | <Chutt> | mdz, network not keeping up? |
| 01:31 | <Chutt> | but, if it works in livetv.. |
| 01:31 | <mdz_> | dropping down to 480x480 makes it happy |
| 01:31 | <mdz_> | trying 640b480 back down to 2200 now |
| 01:31 | <mdz_> | I'm starting to notice it in live tv now too |
| 01:32 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 01:32 | <mirk_dt> | Chutt: no, but it doesn't compile with the kernel |
| 01:32 | <mirk_dt> | so any kernel changes i make, I have to compile the driver separately |
| 01:32 | <mirk_dt> | and I've had X lock several times without reason. |
| 01:32 | <mirk_dt> | I suspect the driver. |
| 01:32 | <Chutt> | naw, suspect xfree |
| 01:33 | <mirk_dt> | why? |
| 01:33 | <Chutt> | it's just as likely |
| 01:33 | <Chutt> | because whining about a binary only driver is stupid. |
| 01:33 | <mdz_> | yeah, looks like that's it |
| 01:33 | <Chutt> | anyway |
| 01:33 | <mdz_> | hmm |
| 01:33 | <mirk_dt> | well, I'm running the same version of X on my desktop with an ATI driver and have had no such lockups. |
| 01:34 | <Chutt> | good for you |
| 01:34 | <brtb> | but many other hardware differences as well |
| 01:34 | <Chutt> | like i said |
| 01:34 | <mirk_dt> | true |
| 01:34 | <Chutt> | i really don't like to recommend hardware. |
| 01:34 | <mirk_dt> | :-P |
| 01:35 | <mdz_> | looks like I have some tweaking to do as far as getting the network happy at higher bitrates |
| 01:35 | <mdz_> | it's not dropping any packets; there are only like 3 retransmits out of 2.5 million |
| 01:37 | <brtb> | try running iptraf on the "server" end and see what kind of transfer bitrates you're getting |
| 01:37 | <Chutt> | well, i'll be doin all that soon enough |
| 01:37 | <mdz_> | brtb: throughput is fine; the network is less than 10% utilized |
| 01:37 | <Chutt> | so i'll probably be adding some buffering and junk |
| 01:37 | <brtb> | hm |
| 01:37 | <mdz_> | brtb: it's just some latency that seems to be introduced when it flushes |
| 01:37 | <mdz_> | I'm tweaking the kernel buffers now |
| 01:38 | <mdz_> | and will be playing with the NFS blocksize |
| 01:38 | <Chutt> | mdz, though, i think i'm going to go for a different setup approach than you have |
| 01:38 | <brtb> | what nic? i have an rtl8139 that refuses to transfer any more than 3meg/sec, transfers from good nics (3com, intel) to the server (3com) go at about 8.5 |
| 01:39 | <Chutt> | even 3 MB/sec should be plenty |
| 01:39 | <mdz_> | I've pushed over 40mbit/sec on this setup without even trying |
| 01:39 | <mdz_> | that's NFS throughput |
| 01:39 | <brtb> | heh |
| 01:41 | <mdz_> | Chutt: doing something TCP-ish? |
| 01:42 | <Chutt> | probably |
| 01:42 | <Chutt> | encode box/playback box type stuff |
| 01:42 | <mdz_> | I would like to run NFS over TCP |
| 01:42 | <mdz_> | but Linux only has it in 2.5 |
| 01:44 | <brtb> | i wonder what the throughput is with a samba mount... best drive I have is in a win2k box |
| 01:52 | <Chutt> | damnit |
| 01:52 | <Chutt> | why can't the stupid debian alsa maintainer actually make working stuff |
| 01:52 | <Chutt> | what's the point of making that dialog to select which drivers to compile |
| 01:52 | <Chutt> | if you don't actually _use_ that when you go to compile |
| 01:52 | <brtb> | heh |
| 01:53 | <mdz_> | it's been worse |
| 01:54 | <mdz_> | used to be that the debconf stuff didn't even correspond to the right driver names |
| 01:54 | <mdz_> | so it wouldn't build at all |
| 01:54 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 01:54 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 01:54 | <mdz_> | the maintainer has been AWOL for a while now |
| 01:54 | <mdz_> | but just recently someone has stepped in and started cleaning them up |
| 01:54 | <Chutt> | but thing is, the compile is breaking right now |
| 01:56 | <Chutt> | since it's trying to compile something that i suppose i don't have some kernel option set for |
| 01:57 | <mdz_> | all that stuff will go away soon enough |
| 01:57 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 01:58 | <mdz_> | 134217728 bytes transferred in 14.092913 seconds (9523775 bytes/sec) |
| 01:58 | <mdz_> | that's over NFS :-) |
| 01:58 | <brtb> | nice |
| 01:58 | <Chutt> | yeah, but that's using large block sizes |
| 01:58 | <mdz_> | 16k |
| 01:59 | <mdz_> | heh, it reads it back entirely out of cache |
| 01:59 | <mdz_> | 268435456 bytes transferred in 0.634484 seconds (423076822 bytes/sec) |
| 02:00 | <mdz_> | with 4k blocks, it's about the same |
| 02:03 | <Chutt> | always nice to reboot and have the kernel panic immediately |
| 02:20 | <mdz_> | hmm, my thoughput measurements do not seem to correspond to performance in mythtv |
| 02:20 | <mdz_> | that makes things tricky |
| 02:24 | <mdz_> | ran out of free AUDIO buffers :-( |
| 02:27 | <mdz_> | I get a lot of that when I use a very large NFS blocksize |
| 02:27 | <mdz_> | though raw reads/writes speed up a lot |
| 02:27 | <mdz_> | a LOT |
| 02:28 | <brtb> | hmm... samba mount doesn't work, but i'm not sure what to attribute that to yet |
| 02:28 | <mdz_> | SMB throughput sucks |
| 02:29 | <brtb> | yeah but i'm only trying at 1500 bitrate, it should at least be able to handle that |
| 02:29 | <brtb> | oh well |
| 02:38 | <mdz_> | I remember trying to move uncompressed CD audio over SMB |
| 02:38 | <mdz_> | it was awful, and would crash halfway through anyway |
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| 06:45 | <antlarr> | hello |
| 06:45 | <Antw73> | hello |
| 06:46 | <antlarr> | I've just downloaded mythtv, but I have some problems. First, there's no way to get channels information from Spanish TV channels, so I've not installed xmltv and I've not run mythfilldata, is that ok? |
| 06:48 | <antlarr> | vektor: It's been a long time since I met you in IRC last time ! |
| 06:48 | <Antw73> | well, it means you won't really be able to use the program guide for a start |
| 06:48 | <Antw73> | and unless you manually edit your channel database live TV will be a pain too |
| 06:49 | <antlarr> | Editing it manually is no problem |
| 06:49 | <Antw73> | good, then you should at least be able to get live tv working ok |
| 06:49 | <antlarr> | ok, then we come to the second problem :) |
| 06:49 | <Antw73> | he |
| 06:49 | <antlarr> | when I run mythtv, I get : |
| 06:50 | <antlarr> | Changing from None to WatchingLiveTV |
| 06:50 | <antlarr> | Cannot open DSP '', dying. |
| 06:50 | <antlarr> | Could not detect audio blocksize |
| 06:50 | <antlarr> | Cannot open DSP '', exitingCan't open video device: |
| 06:50 | <antlarr> | open video:: No such file or directory |
| 06:50 | <antlarr> | VIDIOCSAUDIO: Bad file descriptor |
| 06:50 | <antlarr> | I've killed artsd, just to be sure it's not the problem |
| 06:50 | <Antw73> | ok, have you run setup? |
| 06:51 | <antlarr> | ?? no |
| 06:51 | <antlarr> | ouch |
| 06:51 | <Antw73> | did you read the install instructions? =) |
| 06:51 | <antlarr> | yes, but it seems I didn't read that paragraph %-) |
| 06:52 | <Antw73> | hehe, you would be surprised how many miss that =) too eager to get everything working =) |
| 06:52 | <antlarr> | I've even started to debug the code :) |
| 06:52 | <Antw73> | heh =) |
| 06:53 | <Antw73> | well if you find bugs Isaac is always open to excepting patches, pretty cool that way |
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| 07:11 | <antlarr> | re |
| 07:16 | <Antw73> | how did it go with the setup? |
| 07:20 | <antlarr> | strange :) |
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| 07:21 | <antlarr> | I have a cable that connects the tv card's output audio to the soundcard linein |
| 07:21 | <antlarr> | and mythtv plays the audio "with echo" |
| 07:21 | <Antw73> | ahhh =) have you read the FAQ? =) |
| 07:22 | <Antw73> | I think thats question 4 |
| 07:23 | <antlarr> | yes, I read something about that previously, and I thought it said something about keeping linein muted but in record mode |
| 07:23 | <antlarr> | I'll find it again |
| 07:23 | <Antw73> | yup |
| 07:23 | <Antw73> | say yes, question 4 of the FAQ in the distribution, not the web page |
| 07:23 | <Antw73> | I recall that being a major pain to get working the first few times I did it too |
| 07:25 | <antlarr> | capture mixer, hmmm |
| 07:29 | <antlarr> | Antw73: video works great, if only I could make audio work ok |
| 07:30 | <Antw73> | ok, still got the echo? |
| 07:33 | <Antw73> | antlarr: try muting everything except wave out and setting the record on linein |
| 07:33 | <Antw73> | antlarr: if that doesn't work, then check if your card is supported by btaudio module and run that instead with the audio passthru unplugged |
| 07:35 | <antlarr> | no, it doesn't work, as soon as line in is muted, then there's no audio at all |
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| 07:36 | <kaveh420> | hey anyone here? |
| 07:36 | <Antw73> | antlarr: you using sblive? |
| 07:37 | <Antw73> | antlarr: don't be concerned, I had the exact same problem the first time I was trying to get the mixer to play nice |
| 07:37 | <kaveh420> | can anyone tell me am i supposed to run the line out of the tv card to the line in on my audio card? i don't have the right cables with me so i can't test it out, other than that everything seems to be ok |
| 07:38 | <antlarr> | Antw73: no, it's a pci128 |
| 07:38 | <Antw73> | kaveh420: you can use the btaudio kernel module instead of that cable if you don't have one. Provided your bt card supports it |
| 07:38 | <Antw73> | antlarr: do you have ingain and outgain sliders? |
| 07:39 | <Antw73> | antlarr: try raising those a little and unmuting them |
| 07:39 | <kaveh420> | Antw73: is that how i get the the audio to stop when i hit pause? the audio just keeps on going, what do i set as my audio device? /dev/dsp? |
| 07:41 | <Antw73> | kaveh420: if your audio keeps going you have the passthru cable attached most likely, and you have exactly the same problem as antlarr here =) |
| 07:41 | <Antw73> | kaveh420: read the fourth section of the FAQ in the distribution |
| 07:42 | <kaveh420> | Antw73: is that the same as the FAQ online? i deleted the download |
| 07:42 | <Antw73> | kaveh420: nope, its a different FAQ, you can go into the CVS and read it there |
| 07:43 | <Antw73> | kaveh420: here is the text |
| 07:43 | <Antw73> | ) The audio's _really_ out of sync, and it doesn't pause when I pause live TV? |
| 07:43 | <Antw73> | - You need to mute the line-in, and set the mixer to record from the line in. |
| 07:43 | <Antw73> | The audio you're hearing is from the audio pass-through, enabled by the |
| 07:43 | <Antw73> | V4L driver, and not MythTV. If you're using ALSA, make sure to have the |
| 07:43 | <Antw73> | 'Capture' mixer enabled and non-muted and at a decent volume. |
| 07:44 | <kaveh420> | Antw73: oh! ok. can you recomment a good mixer app for KDE, i'm running gentoo 1.4-rc1 and i only have kde base installed |
| 07:45 | <Antw73> | kaveh420: aumix or kmix, doesn't really matter |
| 07:47 | <kaveh420> | Antw73: how do i mute the line in using aumix? |
| 07:49 | <Antw73> | good question, I hate that UI =) |
| 07:50 | <kaveh420> | Antw73: what package is kmix part off? |
| 07:50 | <antlarr> | Antw73: kdemultimedia |
| 07:50 | <kaveh420> | thanks |
| 07:50 | <Antw73> | probably multimedia |
| 07:50 | <antlarr> | I just found a kmix bug, fortunately, I'm using to hacking kmix :) |
| 07:51 | <Antw73> | hehehe =) which bug is that |
| 07:52 | <antlarr> | It segfaults after adding the "Brooktree Bt878 audio" mixer to the list of mixers, while trying to update the balance |
| 07:52 | <antlarr> | I suppose it's because it's mono :) |
| 07:53 | <Antw73> | doh =) |
| 07:55 | <kaveh420> | antlarr: does that prevent you from setting up mythtv correctly? |
| 07:56 | <antlarr> | kaveh420: don't worry, I'm sure you won't have that problem. I'm using the cvs version of kmix, so stable releases shouldn't have that bug |
| 07:56 | <kaveh420> | anyone here look at the source code, or think about messing with it? i'd like to see how easy or hard it would be to see album covers and change the visualizations, maybe even support plugins for visuals |
| 07:56 | <kaveh420> | antlarr: ok, thanks |
| 07:56 | <Antw73> | kaveh420: well, I do some dabbling in this code =) |
| 07:57 | <Antw73> | kaveh420: get on the mailing list, and throw your ideas in there |
| 07:57 | <kaveh420> | Antw73: what have you worked on or changed? |
| 07:57 | <Antw73> | kaveh420: get an idea of what the developers think of your ideas, if they sound positive go ahead and send in patches |
| 07:58 | <kaveh420> | xmame is taking forever to install! |
| 07:58 | <Antw73> | kaveh420: small bug fixes in MythGame, better support for euro's in mythfilldatabase, and currently burning nuv files to VCD media |
| 08:00 | <kaveh420> | Antw73: rtjpeg or whatever is VCD format? |
| 08:00 | <kaveh420> | Antw73: is that an mpg codec? |
| 08:00 | <kaveh420> | Antw73: what was the bug in MythGame thats the next thing i'm playing with |
| 08:00 | <Antw73> | kaveh420: yup mpeg-1 video, layer2 audio, its a recoding batch job |
| 08:00 | <kaveh420> | Antw73: do you submit code changes/ bug fixes? |
| 08:01 | <Antw73> | kaveh420: of course, thats what opensource code is all about =) |
| 08:01 | <kaveh420> | Antw73 |
| 08:01 | <kaveh420> | ; |
| 08:01 | <kaveh420> | Antw73 :) |
| 08:01 | <Antw73> | kaveh420: if you use something and find a bug, you fix it and tell the maintainers rather than whine =) |
| 08:02 | <kaveh420> | Antw73: i'm new to the concept but i really would like to contribute, i jsut have to find some time and sit through the source |
| 08:02 | <Antw73> | kaveh420: if you can't fix it, you can always try to help the people who can bughunt =) |
| 08:03 | <Antw73> | kaveh420: also, you don't have to code to contribute, testing and writing docs, doing graphics are also great ways to help projects |
| 08:03 | <antlarr> | Otoh, we were going to release KDE 3.1 in a few days, so kmix should already be stable on cvs, but well :) |
| 08:05 | <antlarr> | kaveh420: don't worry about that bug I mentioned, I introduced it in cvs some weeks ago :) |
| 08:05 | <Antw73> | heh, uhoh a KDE developer =) |
| 08:05 | <Antw73> | quick hide the Gnome out back |
| 08:06 | <antlarr> | hehe :) |
| 08:06 | <Antw73> | btw, thanks for working on KDE its been my favourite desktop for a long time now |
| 08:07 | <antlarr> | thanks to you for using it :) |
| 08:08 | <antlarr> | and mainly, to work in mythtv, which I plan to use for a long time ;-) |
| 08:08 | <Antw73> | great =) |
| 08:08 | <antlarr> | Btw, now I have a brooktree mixer in kmix with three Line sliders, what do they mean? |
| 08:10 | <Antw73> | no idea =) never seen that =( |
| 08:10 | <Antw73> | do they have recording buttons? |
| 08:10 | <antlarr> | yes, but only one of them can be set at a time (they are exclusive) |
| 08:11 | <Antw73> | right, one would be radio, assuming you have radio on the card? one is probably the tvaudio, no idea what the other could be |
| 08:12 | <antlarr> | changing the record source in the btaudio mixer makes the sound a little different , but as soon as the sound card mixer's line in is muted, there's no sound at all |
| 08:12 | <antlarr> | no, I don't have radio, and just mono tv |
| 08:12 | <Antw73> | hmmmmm |
| 08:14 | <Antw73> | ugh, we really have to make setting up the audio a little more transparant |
| 08:16 | <kaveh420> | yeah |
| 08:17 | <Antw73> | antlarr: sounds like you have a good lot of mixer and audio experience, you might want to take a look at that |
| 08:19 | <antlarr> | from the btaudio docs: "The chip has three analog inputs. Consequently you'll get a mixer device |
| 08:19 | <antlarr> | to control these. |
| 08:19 | <antlarr> | " |
| 08:19 | <kaveh420> | 3 analog inputs? what tv card? |
| 08:19 | <antlarr> | well, when talking about multimedia, I have a lot of experience with MIDI (I'm the KMid author), but I only fix some things in kmix when I find something wrong :) |
| 08:20 | <antlarr> | kaveh420: an Avermedia TV card |
| 08:21 | <kaveh420> | antlarr: i have the AverTV stereo card, also is /dev/dsp for my primary audio card cause i also have a /dev/dsp1 |
| 08:21 | <antlarr> | well, I'll go to have lunch now, I'll be back in an hour or so |
| 08:22 | <kaveh420> | ok think about my dsp question :) |
| 08:22 | <antlarr> | sure :) |
| 08:25 | <kaveh420> | Antw73: do you know which /dev/dsp device is the right one? |
| 08:26 | <Antw73> | kaveh420: do you have more than one soundcard? |
| 08:26 | <kaveh420> | no |
| 08:26 | <Antw73> | then /dev/dsp or /dev/dsp0 should be the right onw |
| 08:27 | <kaveh420> | Antw73: i have an audigy and an avertv stereo card, oh ok, thanks |
| 08:27 | <kaveh420> | Antw73: i'm a bit of a noob, can i ask you a couple questions? what does cvs stand for and how do i get all the code to use in an install |
| 08:28 | <kaveh420> | Antw73: are there no make files, do i have to make my own? |
| 08:28 | <Antw73> | ummm, how did you install? If you are unsure about CVS then stick to the release files for now |
| 08:29 | <kaveh420> | i installed using the releasefiles but i'm curious about how i keep up to date with CVS in order to develop or help with development |
| 08:29 | <kaveh420> | does cvs=current viewable source? just a guess |
| 08:29 | <kaveh420> | :) |
| 08:29 | <Antw73> | ok, well you need the CVS programs, which are Concurrent Version System |
| 08:30 | <kaveh420> | cvs programs?? do you mean a program that browses a CVS tree? |
| 08:30 | <Antw73> | best thing to do is get on the mailing list first and get a feel for the people |
| 08:30 | <kaveh420> | ok |
| 08:30 | <Antw73> | think about CVS later on |
| 08:31 | <kaveh420> | can i just browse the mailing list i really don't want to be getting a ton of email |
| 08:31 | <kaveh420> | isn't much like a message board with threads? |
| 08:31 | <Antw73> | yup, follow the links on the webpage, but if you want to get involved you should really join the list |
| 08:32 | <kaveh420> | ok |
| 08:32 | <kaveh420> | thanks for all your help |
| 08:32 | <Antw73> | no problem, I'll be here all week =) |
| 08:34 | <kaveh420> | haha, ok |
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| 10:12 | <antlarr> | bbl |
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| 10:32 | <vektor> | hey chutt. |
| 10:32 | <vektor> | how's it going? |
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| 10:40 | <Chutt> | i'm sleepy |
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| 10:52 | <mza> | Hi. I'm having the same problem as was discussed on the mailing list in August subject "No TV displayed" I get a "VIDIOCSAUDIO: Invalid argument" when I run mythtv and no window or tv appears. There was never any solution posted, I believe. Anyone know what's wrong? |
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| 10:55 | <Chutt> | since that's a non-fatal error, no, not without more debugging. |
| 10:57 | <Chutt> | oh, using a AIW, too? |
| 10:57 | <mza> | AIW 128 |
| 10:58 | <Chutt> | they don't work for video input |
| 10:58 | <mza> | d'oh! |
| 11:02 | <mza> | So there's no support in mythtv for the ati cards at all? Or to say it another way, the v4l drivers for the ati cards don't work with mythtv? |
| 11:03 | <Chutt> | the v4l drivers for AIW cards is halfassed nnd incomplete |
| 11:03 | <Chutt> | there's also some hardware limitations for those cards, apparently |
| 11:03 | <Chutt> | you can't record video and output it using the hardware scaler at the same time |
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| 11:24 | <antlarr2> | hi |
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| 11:41 | <K-Man> | When i try to start "mythfilldatabase" i am getting this error: |
| 11:41 | <K-Man> | QSqlDatabase warning: QMYSQL3 driver not loaded |
| 11:41 | <K-Man> | QSqlDatabase: available drivers: |
| 11:41 | <K-Man> | Couldn't open db |
| 11:41 | <antlarr> | K-Man: did you compile the mysql module in Qt ? |
| 11:42 | <K-Man> | I used the qt that is precompiled in mandrake 9 |
| 11:42 | <K-Man> | do i need to recompile it? |
| 11:42 | <Chutt> | there's an entire README.mandrake9.0 |
| 11:42 | <Chutt> | use it. |
| 11:42 | <K-Man> | ok |
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| 11:50 | <K-Man> | I cant find anything in the README.mandrake9.0 file about QT, it's only described how you shuld install it from an rpm, ut i have installed it :( |
| 11:50 | <K-Man> | ut = but |
| 11:51 | <antlarr> | K-Man:chek the $QTDIR/plugin/sqldrivers directory |
| 11:53 | <K-Man> | i got 3 files there: libqsqlmysql.so libqsqloobc.so libqsqlpsql.so |
| 11:57 | <antlarr> | I suppose that if you run qtconfig, then that directory is inside the plugins directories field, isn't it ? |
| 12:01 | <K-Man> | ahh :) |
| 12:01 | <K-Man> | $QTDIR/plugins/sqldrivers wosnt in the list, it started when i added it :) |
| 12:02 | <antlarr> | :) |
| 12:05 | <antlarr> | anybody has a tv card with the sound output connected with a pass-thru to the line in of the sound card ? |
| 12:06 | <vektor> | I do. |
| 12:07 | <antlarr> | vektor ! are you the same vektor that was developing a voice-over-ip app ? |
| 12:09 | <vektor> | Um, yes. |
| 12:09 | <vektor> | Hmm, your name sounds familiar :) |
| 12:10 | <antlarr> | well, it's been a long time since we don't meet on IRC :) |
| 12:10 | <antlarr> | I'm the author of KMid, KPager, and some others |
| 12:10 | <vektor> | ah, cool :) |
| 12:10 | <vektor> | i ditched kde :) |
| 12:11 | <antlarr> | :) |
| 12:11 | <vektor> | i'm now into video apps :) |
| 12:11 | <antlarr> | I see :) |
| 12:11 | <vektor> | http://tvtime.sourceforge.net/ is my latest. |
| 12:11 | <antlarr> | well, I have a problem for you in that case :) |
| 12:11 | <vektor> | cool, what is it? |
| 12:12 | <antlarr> | do you know how can I get mythtv to work with my configuration? as soon as I mute line-in, then I don't get any sound, but when line-in volume is up, then I get sound "with echo" (everything is said twice, with a small delay) |
| 12:13 | <vektor> | ok, well, you should be able to record from line in without having it sent out the speakers |
| 12:13 | <vektor> | run your favorite mixer app :) |
| 12:14 | <vektor> | there should be some sort of mixer setting for like IGain maybe or something? |
| 12:14 | <vektor> | basically, there should be some setting that controls the echo independent of the line-in recording volume. |
| 12:14 | <antlarr> | no, I don't have IGain |
| 12:14 | <vektor> | well you should have 'something'. |
| 12:16 | <antlarr> | nope |
| 12:16 | <vektor> | hrm.. |
| 12:17 | <antlarr> | I've tried aumix, kmix and alsamixer and none of them have any way to change the input or output gain |
| 12:18 | <vektor> | hmmm... |
| 12:18 | <vektor> | What soundcard? |
| 12:19 | <antlarr> | SB PCI 128 (ens1370) |
| 12:19 | <vektor> | oh?? |
| 12:19 | <mza> | K-Man, did you fix the "QSqlDatabase warning: QMYSQL3 driver not loaded" problem? I ran into that and fixed it by installing the rpm for qt-MySQL |
| 12:19 | <vektor> | jeez, I have one of those and it has an igain.... |
| 12:19 | <vektor> | hmm. |
| 12:20 | <antlarr> | alsa 0.9.0 ? |
| 12:20 | <vektor> | no, oss. |
| 12:20 | <vektor> | but i assume that you have everything i have, just with different names |
| 12:20 | <vektor> | are you sure you tried all of the sliders? |
| 12:21 | <vektor> | it could also be that i just have the problem wrong |
| 12:21 | <antlarr> | I'll try again, but I think I already did |
| 12:21 | <vektor> | did you try turning down line-in, not muting it? |
| 12:21 | <vektor> | like, maybe the record volume is independent of the line-in volume. |
| 12:21 | <vektor> | that might be true. |
| 12:21 | * vektor | forgets :) |
| 12:21 | <antlarr> | I've tried both |
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| 12:24 | <K-Man> | mza: i fixed it :) |
| 12:27 | <K-Man> | ncftp mandrake |
| 12:27 | <K-Man> | ops :P |
| 12:29 | <mza> | I type "df" or "ll" into instant-message programs all the time |
| 12:29 | <mza> | :) |
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| 12:46 | <rcaskey> | so for optimal myth performance, what should my hdparms be set to for ide disks |
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| 13:06 | <mdz_> | rcaskey: man hdparm |
| 13:07 | <mdz_> | rcaskey: in about 50 places on that page, it explains that the optimal value will be different on different hardware |
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| 15:18 | <rnc> | why is MySQL required ? |
| 15:18 | <vektor> | for the program database? |
| 15:19 | <rnc> | I mean, why something as big as mysql ? |
| 15:20 | <vektor> | As 'big' as mysql? |
| 15:21 | <rnc> | I mean, it's a huge requirement |
| 15:21 | <rnc> | and that just for storing TV Guides ? |
| 15:28 | <Universe> | and programming information |
| 15:28 | <Universe> | like what to record, when |
| 15:29 | <Universe> | and its used for MythMusic |
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| 17:15 | <whatsit> | I just saw the great news on the website about debian packages... how's that going? |
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| 17:18 | <whatsit> | hi... anyone here? |
| 17:19 | <nyquiljer> | no :) |
| 17:20 | <whatsit> | heh |
| 17:20 | <whatsit> | has anyone gotten .7 to work yet? |
| 17:21 | <nyquiljer> | i havent even tried yet |
| 17:21 | <nyquiljer> | but i got a cvs snapshot from a week or so to work |
| 17:21 | <whatsit> | oic |
| 17:28 | <whatsit> | anybody know which debian package libmp3lame comes in? |
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| 17:30 | <nyquiljer> | hmm, i know i installed it before, but i cant find it now |
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| 17:31 | <whatsit> | hm... |
| 17:31 | <whatsit> | it isn't a source package is it? |
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| 17:32 | <antlarr> | re |
| 17:33 | <whatsit> | antlarr: ?? |
| 17:33 | <whatsit> | is xmltv going to be put in a debian package too? |
| 17:33 | <nyquiljer> | maybe there is no package...i probably just installed it from source |
| 17:34 | <nyquiljer> | there is an unstable package of xmltv |
| 17:34 | <whatsit> | oic |
| 17:34 | <whatsit> | I couldn't find it |
| 17:36 | <antlarr> | whatsit: nothing, I just said "re" as in "re-hi" or "hi again" :) |
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