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| 06:46 | <rcaskey> | hello all, thought id drop in and let it be known im making great progress on getting my box set up |
| 06:46 | <Antw73> | afternoon all, thats great rcaskey =) |
| 06:46 | <rcaskey> | Finally got X working properly, DVDs are playing, sound is working |
| 06:46 | <rcaskey> | the last hurdle I think is USB |
| 06:46 | <rcaskey> | and its an ugly one |
| 06:47 | <Antw73> | luvly =) you building from source? |
| 06:47 | <rcaskey> | devices show up but dont work |
| 06:47 | <rcaskey> | no using make-kpkg |
| 06:47 | <rcaskey> | just spent a while wrestling with ide-scsi emulation |
| 06:47 | <rcaskey> | forgot to reenable it when I started with a new config |
| 06:47 | <Antw73> | heh, thats a bit fun the first time you do it =) |
| 06:47 | <rcaskey> | Antw73: im still not sure what /dev name 0,1,0 has |
| 06:48 | <rcaskey> | or why my cdr is 0,1,0 instead of my dvd when cdr seems to come first ;) |
| 06:48 | <Antw73> | hehehe |
| 06:48 | <rcaskey> | for the most part docs on usb are pretty bad |
| 06:49 | <rcaskey> | and noone really seems to know whats going on |
| 06:49 | <Antw73> | one sec phone |
| 06:51 | <rcaskey> | anyone here a resident usb guru |
| 06:51 | <Antw73> | ok back, I'm not bad with it, whats the exact symtom? |
| 06:51 | <rcaskey> | things show up in /proc/bus/usb fine, send interrupts only on plug and unplug, and thats about it |
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| 06:52 | <rcaskey> | so far Iv tried 2 mouses and a gamepad |
| 06:52 | <Antw73> | ok, so kernel modules are in fine then. What devices are we talking about? |
| 06:52 | <rcaskey> | Sidewinder and 2 IMPS2 mouses |
| 06:53 | <rcaskey> | usbmouse hid evdev mousedev joydev input usbkbd usb-uhci usbcore |
| 06:54 | <Antw73> | ok, do they work on the console in gpm? |
| 06:54 | <rcaskey> | nope |
| 06:54 | <rcaskey> | even uninstalled gpm |
| 06:54 | <Antw73> | are you seeing notices in the messages file that its starting a device for them? |
| 06:55 | <rcaskey> | if nothing is going to /proc/interrupts then... |
| 06:55 | <rcaskey> | input0: USB HID v1.00 Mouse [Logitech Logitech] on usb1:2.0 |
| 06:55 | <rcaskey> | input1: USB HID v1.00 Gamepad [Microsoft® Microsoft®] on usb1:4.0 |
| 06:55 | <rcaskey> | hid-core.c: USB HID support drivers |
| 06:55 | <rcaskey> | anything beyond that? |
| 06:55 | <Antw73> | so you are getting NO interrupts at all except in plugging? |
| 06:55 | <rcaskey> | yeah |
| 06:56 | <rcaskey> | usbmouse.c: v1.6:USB HID Boot Protocol mouse driver |
| 06:56 | <rcaskey> | too :) |
| 06:56 | <Antw73> | have you booted the system with them connected? |
| 06:56 | <rcaskey> | yeah |
| 06:56 | <rcaskey> | and without |
| 06:56 | <Antw73> | same thing |
| 06:56 | <rcaskey> | ditto |
| 06:56 | <Antw73> | right, one sec |
| 06:57 | <Antw73> | have you tried the alternate uhci driver? |
| 06:57 | <rcaskey> | Antw73: anything I need to do besides insmodding it? |
| 06:57 | <rcaskey> | err modprobing it |
| 06:58 | <Antw73> | should need to unload the other usb modules first, and make sure you don't hotplug or it'll load the default module again |
| 06:58 | <rcaskey> | Antw73: ok |
| 06:59 | <rcaskey> | still shows up as usb-uhci in proc-interrupts although it increased the number of interrupts by about 50 |
| 06:59 | <Antw73> | ok, any further interrupts when you move the mouse about? |
| 07:00 | <rcaskey> | interrupts not changing |
| 07:00 | <Antw73> | now thats just freaky =) |
| 07:00 | <rcaskey> | also it takes a while cus the mouse is downstairs :) |
| 07:00 | <rcaskey> | so if there is a pause im a going :) |
| 07:00 | <Antw73> | heheheh |
| 07:00 | <rcaskey> | maby i could set the fan next to it and wobble it enough to keep it moving |
| 07:01 | <Antw73> | ok, can you mail me your dmesg output and as many other details you can? |
| 07:01 | <Antw73> | I have to go help a programmer with a nasty bug, but I'll take a close look at this in a little while =) |
| 07:02 | <Antw73> | my email is ant@solace.mh.se |
| 07:03 | <Antw73> | ok, got to rush, back in a few |
| 07:05 | <rcaskey> | ok thx antw |
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| 08:18 | <rcaskey> | hey all, excellent progress |
| 08:18 | <rcaskey> | im now on my HDTV with my USB Keyboard and mouse with a dvd playing in the background |
| 08:19 | <rcaskey> | the modeline I got off the net is causing overscanning though and im seeing some wierd vertical scrolling bars (no its not a ground loop, yes I am sure) |
| 08:19 | <rcaskey> | any ideas as to what I should try to correct for the overscanning? |
| 08:19 | <rcaskey> | l3ktr0n:/etc/X11# killall bitchx |
| 08:19 | <rcaskey> | l3ktr0n:/etc/X11# su rcaskey |
| 08:19 | <rcaskey> | -:- [Users(#mythtv:15)] |
| 08:19 | <rcaskey> | [ rcaskey ][ rcaskey ] [ orangey ] [ Universe ] [ mdz_ ] [ sfire||mou] |
| 08:19 | <rcaskey> | [ TardisX ][ TardisX ] [ Tuscany0 ] [ Syn- ] [ skitzo ] [ davehunn ] |
| 08:19 | <rcaskey> | [ mdz ][ mdz ] [ skeetz ] [ vektor ] [ SadMan ] [ Chutt ] |
| 08:19 | <rcaskey> | -:- Channel #mythtv was created at Sun Sep 29 17:27:32 2002 |
| 08:19 | <rcaskey> | -:- BitchX: Join to #mythtv was synched in 4.135 secs!! |
| 08:19 | <rcaskey> | <rcaskey> hey all, excellent progress |
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| 08:19 | <rcaskey> | <rcaskey> im now on my HDTV with my USB Keyboard and mouse with a dvd playing |
| 08:19 | <rcaskey> | in the background |
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| 08:20 | <rcaskey> | doh |
| 08:20 | <rcaskey> | sorry all |
| 08:27 | <rcaskey> | nobody home :) |
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| 08:38 | <rcaskey_> | sorry there, apparently the version of screen in unstable is a bit...unstable |
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| 08:42 | <rcaskey_> | all rescaling done by hand |
| 08:43 | <rcaskey_> | well change in refresh rate |
| 08:43 | <rcaskey_> | it dosent do anyting "for" you |
| 08:43 | <rcaskey_> | thats it |
| 08:45 | <vektor> | hmm |
| 08:45 | <vektor> | there's totally stuff i do not understand about how this is signalled on the wire |
| 08:45 | <vektor> | so, what do you setup on your tv? |
| 08:45 | <vektor> | do you tell your TV that the incoming signal is 540p ? |
| 08:45 | <rcaskey_> | vektor: just switch it to hd stream 2 |
| 08:45 | <rcaskey_> | and it knows |
| 08:45 | <rcaskey_> | it just does |
| 08:46 | <rcaskey_> | freaks me out :) |
| 08:46 | <vektor> | what i mean is, this converter seems to be for 480p or 540p and i'm just wondering how the TV figures out what the incoming signal is |
| 08:47 | <rcaskey_> | vektor: well maby its by the resolution |
| 08:47 | <rcaskey_> | dunno |
| 08:47 | <rcaskey_> | maby it dosent though |
| 08:48 | <rcaskey_> | although you would think it wouldnt work this well if it was in the wrong mode |
| 08:48 | <rcaskey_> | the vertical bars probably mean slightly wrong refresh ratee, right? |
| 08:50 | <vektor> | I have no idea. |
| 08:50 | <vektor> | I really need to find the HDTV standard though. |
| 08:50 | <rcaskey_> | I dont think there is a single one |
| 08:50 | <vektor> | I have too many questions that I can't figure out. |
| 08:50 | <vektor> | Like, is there a SMPTE reference for this? |
| 08:51 | <rcaskey_> | dont know |
| 08:51 | <rcaskey_> | iv got my hsync and vsync locked in as follows |
| 08:51 | <rcaskey_> | hsync 33.55 vsync 59.60 |
| 08:52 | <vektor> | CEMA seems to be one standards... |
| 08:53 | <vektor> | ah |
| 08:53 | <vektor> | ATSC table 3 |
| 08:54 | <vektor> | ok i need to get to class |
| 08:54 | <vektor> | back later |
| 08:54 | <rcaskey_> | alright |
| 08:54 | <rcaskey_> | later |
| 08:55 | <rcaskey_> | do you think im locked into those sync modes exactly |
| 08:56 | <rcaskey_> | err sync ranges |
| 08:56 | * rcaskey_ | goes to test |
| 08:56 | <rcaskey_> | bbl |
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| 08:56 | <mdz> | Chutt: I have some problems with current CVS...a program recorded last night plays back fine in mplayer, but mythtv won't play it |
| 08:57 | <mdz> | Chutt: selecting it from the menu dumps me right back to the menu without any error messages, just the usual XV and Changing... messages |
| 08:58 | <mdz> | Chutt: I can watch previous recordings OK though |
| 08:58 | <mdz> | ulp...segfault :-( |
| 08:58 | <mdz> | I'm going to back down to 0.6 for now, and I'll get a debugging build tonight |
| 09:01 | <mdz> | well, I'll back out to an earlier snapshot anyway |
| 09:02 | <orangey> | hey guys.. |
| 09:02 | <orangey> | anyone here using lirc with myth (or anything else)? |
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| 09:15 | <blinx> | howdy |
| 09:18 | <blinx> | heh.. http://acetik85.free.fr/bushie.jpg |
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| 09:24 | * rcaskey | arghs |
| 09:24 | <rcaskey> | X only works at the higher res if I boot it in the lower res first |
| 09:25 | <blinx> | eh.. sounds weird? |
| 09:26 | <blinx> | you start X in e.g. 800x600 and then change resolution - how? ctrl+alt+ numeric -/+ ? |
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| 09:41 | <mdz_> | blinx: yes |
| 09:41 | <mdz_> | oh, that wasn't a question :-) |
| 09:43 | <blinx> | hehe no :) |
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| 10:05 | <orangey> | hmmm. |
| 10:06 | <rcaskey> | ? |
| 10:06 | <orangey> | I'm just trying to get lirc going with mythtv.. |
| 10:06 | <orangey> | but I have no idea how : ) |
| 10:07 | * rcaskey | hasnt instlaled mythtv |
| 10:08 | <rcaskey> | kde 3.1 comes out in debian unnstable on 11/3 |
| 10:08 | <rcaskey> | I still am messing with X |
| 10:09 | <sfire||mouse> | rcaskey: hehe, one week after gnome2 |
| 10:09 | <rcaskey> | yeah |
| 10:09 | <rcaskey> | i might break down and install 3.0 debs from some other src for now |
| 10:10 | <rcaskey> | do you know when .7 is gonna be out |
| 10:12 | <sfire||mouse> | nope, I'm still trying to get it to install :) |
| 10:12 | <rcaskey> | know anything about X modelines by chance? |
| 10:13 | <orangey> | rcaskey: What do you need to know? I have limited knowledge.. |
| 10:13 | <rcaskey> | orangey: well iv got a modeline that used to work, and then it worked only every other time I started the x server, and now it dosent work at all |
| 10:14 | <rcaskey> | but even that one was'n quite right and had vertical scrolling ands of lighter colors |
| 10:14 | <rcaskey> | and i didnt chance anything to cause it to stop working really |
| 10:14 | <rcaskey> | something wierd must be going on |
| 10:14 | <rcaskey> | and also It was overscanning |
| 10:15 | <rcaskey> | I guess I really need to truncate the desktop to correct for that |
| 10:15 | <orangey> | rcaskey: Why are you manually assigning modelines nowadays? |
| 10:15 | <rcaskey> | using an HDTV |
| 10:15 | <orangey> | if you pull the modeline, the newer X's (i.e., less than a year old) should find it.. |
| 10:15 | <orangey> | ooooh.. |
| 10:15 | <orangey> | what video card? |
| 10:16 | <rcaskey> | GF2 GTS |
| 10:16 | <orangey> | hmmm. well, are you using the nvidia drivers? |
| 10:16 | <rcaskey> | yeah |
| 10:16 | <orangey> | and twinview? |
| 10:16 | <rcaskey> | no |
| 10:16 | <rcaskey> | Transcoder |
| 10:16 | <orangey> | what's transcoder? |
| 10:16 | <rcaskey> | converts from VGA to YUV |
| 10:16 | <rcaskey> | without altering the refresh rate |
| 10:17 | <orangey> | is that a good thing? |
| 10:17 | <rcaskey> | yes |
| 10:17 | <rcaskey> | means you have more control over it |
| 10:17 | <rcaskey> | no quality degredation |
| 10:17 | <orangey> | do you have a video out on your nvidia? |
| 10:17 | <rcaskey> | no downscanning |
| 10:17 | <rcaskey> | vga |
| 10:17 | <orangey> | hmm. well, I'm not sure, then.. |
| 10:17 | <rcaskey> | vga -> transcoder -> tv |
| 10:17 | <orangey> | however, I would rake the usenet (groups.google.com) for appropriate lines.. |
| 10:18 | <rcaskey> | I tried that and had one that worked but then it just stopped |
| 10:18 | <rcaskey> | not sure why at all |
| 10:20 | <orangey> | hmm. not sure either.. you have more characteristics at play here than I'm used to.. |
| 10:20 | <orangey> | however, I'd do the usual: upgrade the drivers; try something simple (320x240) and get it workign there.. |
| 10:20 | <orangey> | stuff like that.. |
| 10:34 | <blinx> | rcaskey: transcoder.. thats a seperate piece of hardware or? |
| 10:47 | <Universe> | transcoder is software |
| 10:47 | <Universe> | of course, I dont know what transcoder means in rcaskey diagram |
| 10:48 | <blinx> | that is why I where wondering too.. I know the software named transcoder |
| 10:50 | <Chutt> | it's a hardware box |
| 10:53 | <blinx> | I wish I had a nice tv capture card with stereo.. |
| 10:53 | <blinx> | bought a surround system yesterday |
| 10:53 | <blinx> | so now I can enjoy mono sound from 6 speakers :) |
| 10:53 | <Chutt> | heh |
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| 11:01 | <blinx> | well.. time to go home. |
| 11:01 | <orangey> | WOOOHOO!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 11:01 | <orangey> | I got LIRC working!!!! |
| 11:02 | <rcaskey_> | so do I still really need lame? |
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| 11:28 | <rcaskey_> | doh 3ktr0n:/usr/local/bin# ./mythfilldatabase |
| 11:28 | <rcaskey_> | ./mythfilldatabase: error while loading shared libraries: libmyth.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 11:28 | <rcaskey_> | any ideas? |
| 11:31 | <Chutt> | other than putting /usr/local/lib into your /etc/ld.so.conf and running ldconfig |
| 11:31 | <Chutt> | no |
| 11:31 | <Chutt> | but that's what your problem is |
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| 12:07 | <rcaskey_> | anyone else having problems with lib twig? |
| 12:07 | * rcaskey_ | grumbles |
| 12:07 | <Chutt> | you really haven't read any of the mailing list, have you? |
| 12:07 | <Chutt> | that was discussed recently |
| 12:07 | <rcaskey_> | hmmm, lag |
| 12:09 | <Chutt> | there's even a question about it in the faq on the website |
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| 12:09 | <rcaskey> | hmm, anyone else having problems with twiG? |
| 12:09 | <Chutt> | [12:09][12:09] <Chutt> you really haven't read any of the mailing list, have you? |
| 12:09 | <Chutt> | [12:09][12:09] <Chutt> that was discussed recently |
| 12:10 | <Chutt> | [12:10][12:10] <Chutt> there's even a question about it in the faq on the website |
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| 12:13 | <rcaskey> | ahh thx |
| 12:27 | <rcaskey> | argh, this would be alot easier if debian had recent libexpat stuff |
| 12:27 | <rcaskey> | how recent of a version do you need |
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| 12:38 | <mdz_> | Chutt: did you get my messages about my current CVS experiment this morning? |
| 12:39 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 12:40 | <Chutt> | whenever you can send me a backtrace/more info |
| 12:40 | <Chutt> | would be cool |
| 12:51 | * rcaskey | kicks twig |
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| 13:02 | <whatsit> | um... how am I suppose to unzip the tarball from the website? |
| 13:03 | <sfire||mouse> | tar zxvf file |
| 13:03 | <whatsit> | gzip: stdin: not in gzip format |
| 13:03 | <whatsit> | tar: Child returned status 1 |
| 13:03 | <whatsit> | tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors |
| 13:03 | <whatsit> | why is it called .tar.tar anyway? |
| 13:03 | <Chutt> | let's take a look at the file extension |
| 13:03 | <Chutt> | .tar.bz2 |
| 13:03 | <Chutt> | hmm |
| 13:03 | <Chutt> | i wonder what that could be |
| 13:04 | <Chutt> | perhaps its a bzip2'd tar archive? |
| 13:04 | <rcaskey> | whats the minum version of libexpat needed? |
| 13:04 | <Chutt> | rcaskey, why don't you ask the xmltv people? |
| 13:04 | <Chutt> | since that's their stuff you're installing |
| 13:05 | <rcaskey> | Chutt: do they have an irc channel? |
| 13:05 | <Chutt> | i wouldn't know |
| 13:06 | <whatsit> | bunzip2... doh! |
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| 13:17 | <rcaskey> | iv compiled a new version libexpat an twig and still no dice |
| 13:32 | <rcaskey> | if these packages work for Debian im gonna be kinda miffed that they arent in unstable where they should be ;) |
| 13:34 | <Chutt> | what packages? |
| 13:35 | <rcaskey> | xmltv |
| 13:35 | <rcaskey> | still getting an error with mythtv that I thought was the result of xmltv though |
| 13:35 | <rcaskey> | while loading shared libraries: libmyth.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 13:35 | <Chutt> | they're not in unstable because they're not ready for that yet |
| 13:35 | <Chutt> | i already told you how to fix that |
| 13:36 | <rcaskey> | Chutt: sorry, can you repeat it again? |
| 13:36 | <Chutt> | try learning about the operating system you're running |
| 13:36 | <Chutt> | put /usr/local/lib into your /etc/ld.so.conf and running ldconfig |
| 13:36 | <Chutt> | that's basic stuff. |
| 13:36 | <rcaskey> | thx |
| 13:38 | <rcaskey> | sorry, im just making the switch |
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| 13:46 | <rcaskey> | wow my apartment complex has its own tv listings |
| 13:47 | <rcaskey> | cus they have that ghetto sattelite feed that they bundle into the rent |
| 14:00 | <rcaskey> | woot making progress, mythepg is workin :) |
| 14:03 | <rcaskey> | now to run mythfrontend without a capture card, what do I need to do? |
| 14:04 | <Chutt> | eh? |
| 14:04 | <rcaskey> | i dont have a capture card yet for mythtv, can i run mythfrontend without one |
| 14:05 | <Chutt> | how'd you manage to run setup without a capture card? |
| 14:06 | <rcaskey> | Chutt: # of cards=0 |
| 14:06 | <Chutt> | what's the point? |
| 14:06 | <rcaskey> | Chutt: im gonna get a card RSN |
| 14:06 | <rcaskey> | and figure I can make good use of mythgames and friends until then |
| 14:06 | <Chutt> | good for you |
| 14:07 | <Chutt> | then fix things so that it runs without a capture card |
| 14:09 | <rcaskey> | ahh |
| 14:09 | <rcaskey> | just had to insert a record into the database as video card type v4l with inputs pointing to /dev/null |
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| 14:24 | <rcaskey> | ahh auto-apt saves the day again with mythmusic |
| 14:25 | <mdz_> | auto-apt is nuts |
| 14:26 | <rcaskey> | gotta love it |
| 14:27 | <Tuscany> | hey chutt, any advantage to using a P4 for myth? that is, does the underlying libraries make use of SSE2? |
| 14:28 | <Chutt> | nope |
| 14:28 | <Chutt> | most it has is mmx2 |
| 14:28 | <Chutt> | and some small amounts of sse |
| 14:28 | <Chutt> | far as i'm aware of, at least |
| 14:28 | <Tuscany> | ok |
| 14:32 | <vektor> | pshufw kicks ass |
| 14:32 | <vektor> | that's part of what keeps me sse :) |
| 14:33 | <vektor> | oh, and movntq, but using that can get weird depending on how you use it |
| 14:33 | <vektor> | i don't know of any 'really useful' sse2 stuff. |
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| 14:33 | <vektor> | well, except that it makes the xmm registers useful :) |
| 14:33 | <Universe> | hmm.. |
| 14:33 | <Universe> | thats just like a processor company to make something that is useless |
| 14:34 | <Universe> | and use it as a marketing point |
| 14:34 | <vektor> | what do you mean? |
| 14:34 | <vektor> | i didn't say sse2 was useless. 128 bit ops kick. |
| 14:35 | <Universe> | if there really isn't anything useful in sse2... |
| 14:35 | <Universe> | oh |
| 14:35 | <Universe> | well.. |
| 14:35 | <Universe> | I was just going by what you said |
| 14:35 | <vektor> | i meant anything like surprisingly useful |
| 14:35 | <vektor> | pshufw is really neat |
| 14:35 | <Universe> | ahh |
| 14:35 | <Universe> | ok |
| 14:35 | <vektor> | and it was in sse |
| 14:35 | <vektor> | and so it makes me want to use sse just because it makes mmx so cool |
| 14:35 | <Universe> | I know nothing right now about using processor features... |
| 14:36 | <vektor> | writing sse2, at least from the very very little i've done (i don't have a p4 myself), wasn't the kind of 'cool' factor. |
| 14:36 | <Universe> | so I guess I would just shut up, aye? |
| 14:36 | <vektor> | i guess:) |
| 14:36 | <Tuscany> | interesting article on linux compiler comaparison: http://www.coyotegulch.com/reviews/intel_comp/intel_gcc_bench2.html |
| 14:36 | <Tuscany> | by the way, the intel compiler for linux is available for free, for non-profit use |
| 14:37 | <Chutt> | yeah, i've used icc |
| 14:38 | <vektor> | me too. |
| 14:38 | <Chutt> | gcc 3.2's faster than 3.1, from my testing, at least |
| 14:38 | <vektor> | The intel compiler does kick for speed though in a bunch of cases. |
| 14:38 | <vektor> | always has. |
| 14:38 | <vektor> | beats the microsoft compiler too. |
| 14:42 | <rcaskey> | ooh they have em back in stock now |
| 14:42 | <rcaskey> | only problem I think is that it might not have a remote |
| 14:42 | <vektor> | what might not have a remote? |
| 14:43 | <rcaskey> | tv wonder ve |
| 14:45 | <vektor> | isn't that an ati card? |
| 14:45 | <vektor> | and don't they suck under linux? |
| 14:45 | <vektor> | oh i'm just talking out my ass, i don't really know. |
| 14:45 | <mdz_> | I have few complaints |
| 14:46 | <vektor> | see? :) |
| 14:47 | <rcaskey> | mdz: yeah? |
| 14:47 | <rcaskey> | btw, do you have a tv wonder or an all in woner |
| 14:47 | <rcaskey> | err wonder |
| 14:47 | <Chutt> | the tv wonder ve is a mono-only card. |
| 14:48 | <rcaskey> | Chutt: cant you pull sound from another src though? |
| 14:48 | <rcaskey> | that would mean still running it into the tv though |
| 14:48 | <rcaskey> | hmm |
| 14:48 | <Chutt> | if you want to use the tuner, then it's only mono |
| 14:48 | <rcaskey> | Chutt: but if not you can get stereo? |
| 14:48 | <mdz_> | I have a radeon all-in-wonder 7500 |
| 14:49 | <rcaskey> | mdz: oh |
| 14:49 | <rcaskey> | are there any good cheap v4l cards? |
| 14:50 | <mdz_> | http://www.exploits.org/v4l/ |
| 14:50 | <Universe> | hmm |
| 14:51 | <Universe> | Chutt... you have the only fully working open source PVR available? |
| 14:52 | <rcaskey> | mdz: i looked there but I dont know what chip is in the tv wonder |
| 14:52 | <vektor> | What the hell, how is tvtime on that website? |
| 14:52 | <vektor> | mdz: is that your website? :) |
| 14:53 | <Chutt> | universe, vdr |
| 14:54 | <rcaskey> | ? |
| 14:55 | <Chutt> | which only works with dvb cards in europe, though |
| 14:55 | <Chutt> | mythtv's the only thing that's software and has all the major features, though |
| 15:02 | <vektor> | woop! |
| 15:02 | * vektor | agreeing |
| 15:03 | <rcaskey> | so any recommendations on a cheapish card? |
| 15:03 | <rcaskey> | preferably with a remote? |
| 15:05 | <Universe> | ahh... |
| 15:05 | <Universe> | so your is much better.. |
| 15:05 | <Universe> | err yours.. |
| 15:06 | <Chutt> | much better? |
| 15:06 | <Chutt> | doubt it |
| 15:08 | <Universe> | better as in... more people can use it... not everyone has a DVB card. |
| 15:08 | <rcaskey> | who is it that updates the mythtv website? |
| 15:08 | <Universe> | and live in europe |
| 15:09 | <Chutt> | rcaskey, me |
| 15:09 | <rcaskey> | ahh howdy Isaac |
| 15:09 | <rcaskey> | so I take it you know rather alot about the All in Wonder VE :) |
| 15:09 | <rcaskey> | does it have a remote? |
| 15:09 | <Chutt> | what, you thought i was lying earlier? |
| 15:10 | <rcaskey> | no, probably missed it |
| 15:10 | <rcaskey> | iv been fighting with xfree86 for the last hour or two |
| 15:11 | <rcaskey> | will the TV portion run acceptably on a P3 800? |
| 15:11 | <Chutt> | barely |
| 15:11 | <sfire||mouse> | w00t that means it might run fine on a 450 :) |
| 15:13 | <rcaskey> | Chutt; do you have suggestions as far as where to get a remote dongle? |
| 15:13 | <Chutt> | no |
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| 15:23 | <rcaskey> | Chutt: is mythgames in a condition that it can checked out and used? |
| 15:23 | <Chutt> | for most people, maybe |
| 15:24 | <rcaskey> | just not for me ;) |
| 15:24 | <Chutt> | i dunno |
| 15:24 | <Chutt> | you might be able to figure it out :p |
| 15:25 | <mdz_> | vektor: that is not my website, no |
| 15:25 | <mdz_> | Chutt: mythtv should have a better blurb on the ffmpeg page |
| 15:25 | <mdz_> | Chutt: I looked at most of the other stuff there first, before I found that mythtv had more features already working |
| 15:26 | <Chutt> | it just got added to the ffmpeg page the other day |
| 15:26 | <mdz_> | must have been somewhere else, then |
| 15:26 | <Chutt> | like, last thursday =) |
| 15:26 | <mdz_> | ah, it was probably freevo.sf.net |
| 15:26 | <mdz_> | http://freevo.sourceforge.net/links.html |
| 15:27 | <mdz_> | "mostly geared toward timeshifting" |
| 15:27 | <Chutt> | heh, freevo still makes me laugh |
| 15:27 | <mdz_> | which made it sound pretty uninteresting to me |
| 15:27 | <mdz_> | those guys are crazy |
| 15:27 | <Chutt> | they've got 4 people actively contributing code |
| 15:27 | <mdz_> | I like the idea of leveraging existing components, but they need to be better integrated in order to have that work |
| 15:28 | <mdz_> | as it is, the UI is completely inconsitent |
| 15:28 | <mdz_> | or was when I tried it |
| 15:28 | <Chutt> | they were nice enough when i emailed em about using my main theme images in their distribution, though |
| 15:28 | <mdz_> | er, you emailed them about it? |
| 15:28 | <mdz_> | meaning they used them without asking, or you offered them? :-) |
| 15:29 | <Chutt> | the first |
| 15:29 | <mdz_> | that's not cool |
| 15:29 | <Chutt> | they were going to use the background image of the 'blue' theme as their main background |
| 15:30 | <Chutt> | and they are now using something _very_ similar to it |
| 15:30 | <Chutt> | but, ah well |
| 15:31 | <Chutt> | stealin code's fine =) |
| 15:31 | <Chutt> | l&f's another matter, though |
| 15:32 | <Chutt> | hrm |
| 15:32 | <Chutt> | i've completely broken the OSD =) |
| 15:34 | <mdz_> | I made another pass over the xmltv debs today, they're getting pretty close |
| 15:34 | <Chutt> | excellent |
| 15:34 | <mdz_> | all minor stuff |
| 15:35 | <Chutt> | did he upgrade to 0.5.2 yet, or is he waiting on that? |
| 15:35 | <mdz_> | yeah, they're at 0.5.2 |
| 15:35 | <Chutt> | cool |
| 15:35 | <mdz_> | I wouldn't upload them to unstable using an old version :-) |
| 15:35 | <Chutt> | eh, could be the first bug report |
| 15:35 | <Chutt> | 'new upstream release available' |
| 15:36 | <mdz_> | I was about to switch to that other zap2it host that you mentioned, then it started behaving again |
| 15:37 | <mdz_> | the past few nights it has run without a hitch |
| 15:37 | <Chutt> | yeah, i just got a full week's worth of data perfectly yesterday |
| 15:37 | <mdz_> | if it fails on a particular day, does it still import the data for the days which worked? |
| 15:37 | <Chutt> | it should, yeah |
| 15:38 | <rcaskey> | nice -17ing mythfrontend will nice17 everything launched from beneath it, right? |
| 15:39 | <mdz_> | rcaskey: yes |
| 15:39 | <rcaskey> | mdz: cool |
| 15:39 | <mdz_> | but why you would want to lower the priority of a program with real-time processing requirements, I don't understand |
| 15:40 | <rcaskey> | isn't -17 faster than default by a good bit |
| 15:40 | <rcaskey> | well higher priority |
| 15:43 | <mdz_> | "nice -17" will run at a lower priority |
| 15:43 | <mdz_> | that is, it sets the nice value to 17, not -17 |
| 15:43 | <rcaskey> | ahh |
| 15:43 | <rcaskey> | hehe :P |
| 15:44 | <rcaskey> | is ther an easy way to force my dvd player to open in the middle of my screen |
| 15:44 | <rcaskey> | i checked for cmd line paramaters and didnt find anything looking useful, perhaps X has something built in for this sort of thing? |
| 15:44 | <mdz_> | -geometry |
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| 17:00 | <Chutt> | what a dumbass on the mailing list |
| 17:01 | <Chutt> | 'i'm going to transfer big files around to prove my point, but i'm not going to turn on DMA transfers on the harddrives at all' |
| 17:01 | <Chutt> | no shit it's going to be slow |
| 17:02 | <mdz_> | Chutt: it'll be slow because of mythtv |
| 17:02 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 17:02 | <Chutt> | the guy's saying that normal networks don't have enough speed to transfer more than 2 files over the network to be played in real time |
| 17:08 | <mdz_> | what's a normal network? |
| 17:08 | <Chutt> | 100mbit |
| 17:08 | <mdz_> | a modem running PPP? |
| 17:09 | <Chutt> | apparently |
| 17:09 | <mdz_> | modems are extremely common |
| 17:09 | <mdz_> | maybe they are the basis for comparison |
| 17:09 | <Chutt> | no |
| 17:09 | <Chutt> | read his latest email to the list |
| 17:11 | <mdz_> | I am looking at this |
| 17:11 | <mdz_> | Message-id: <3DC2F7A5.1000609@middleswarth.net> |
| 17:11 | <mdz_> | "NFS might be faster [than FTP]" |
| 17:11 | <mdz_> | har, har, har |
| 17:11 | <Chutt> | that's the one |
| 17:11 | <mdz_> | perhaps he is reading bytes/sec instead of bits/sec |
| 17:11 | <mdz_> | FTP usually gives stats in bytes/sec |
| 17:11 | <Chutt> | well, if he has dma turned off |
| 17:12 | <Chutt> | he's writing the files back at disk speed |
| 17:12 | <Chutt> | probably like 2 or 3 MB/s |
| 17:13 | <mdz_> | yeah, B as in Bytes |
| 17:14 | <Chutt> | right |
| 17:14 | <Chutt> | he just says 'megs' |
| 17:14 | <mdz_> | yes |
| 17:14 | <mdz_> | and compares his transfer statistics (probably bytes) to "100mbit" and MPEG-4 stream rate, which are both obviously bits |
| 17:15 | <mdz_> | "If I screwed up the number |
| 17:15 | <mdz_> | some place let me known as conversion between Bytes and Bits get |
| 17:15 | <mdz_> | confusing and could make my number off by a factor of 8." |
| 17:16 | <mdz_> | sorry, he just said "100". no unit at all. |
| 17:16 | <mdz_> | "we are talking about 100 based network cards" |
| 17:16 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 17:17 | <Chutt> | remember, this guy's worked for "over 5 years" at "2 diff. inet company" |
| 17:17 | <Chutt> | he must know what he's talking about |
| 17:18 | <Universe> | I remember when satelite internet companys had ads in bits per sec. over 40000 b/s |
| 17:18 | <mdz_> | that's good marketing |
| 17:19 | <mdz_> | oh yay, epg improvements |
| 17:19 | <Chutt> | i already did most of that |
| 17:20 | <Chutt> | his patch won't help much, really |
| 17:20 | <mdz_> | yay anyawy |
| 17:20 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 17:20 | <mdz_> | heh, RAMDISK |
| 17:20 | <vektor> | re. |
| 17:20 | <Chutt> | oh yea, i should respond to that one |
| 17:20 | <vektor> | mdz: do you know who's website it is? |
| 17:21 | <mdz_> | vektor: bottom of the page: http://www.exploits.org/~rkroll/contact.html |
| 17:21 | <vektor> | no i mean which irc character :) |
| 17:21 | <mdz_> | Chutt: what good is 30 seconds? |
| 17:21 | <mdz_> | vektor: no idea |
| 17:21 | <vektor> | since i haven't told anyone about tvtime except people on irc. |
| 17:21 | <Chutt> | i know |
| 17:21 | <Chutt> | i've thought about doing that |
| 17:21 | <Chutt> | but it'd be _complicated_ |
| 17:22 | <mdz_> | I don't think it would give a noticeable improvement, the normal buffer cache should win |
| 17:22 | <Chutt> | right |
| 17:23 | <mdz_> | it'd be easy enough to test using a kernel RAMDISK |
| 17:23 | <mdz_> | where you could put the RINGBUFFER |
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| 17:24 | <rcaskey> | if I want ogle to run at 17, does X need to be set higher too to see any benefit? |
| 17:25 | <Chutt> | does this look like #ogle to you? |
| 17:25 | <rcaskey> | well I would assume the same thing would apply to myth |
| 17:26 | <Chutt> | i didn't set this channel up to be your personal tech support center |
| 17:26 | <rcaskey> | alright, you dont have to answer if you dont want |
| 17:26 | <Chutt> | if i don't, you'll just ask again |
| 17:26 | <Chutt> | and again |
| 17:26 | <Chutt> | as you've done already |
| 17:26 | <Chutt> | hell, even if i do answer |
| 17:36 | <Chutt> | mdz, oh, remember you asked about the slow startup time a day or so ago? |
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| 18:06 | <Universe> | Chutt... |
| 18:06 | <Universe> | I think you hurt rcaskey's feelings |
| 18:07 | <Chutt> | yeah well |
| 18:26 | <mdz_> | Chutt: yeah |
| 18:27 | <mdz_> | (re: slow startup) |
| 18:31 | <mdz_> | did you find out something about it? |
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| 18:56 | <Chutt> | mdz, think it may be the OSD loading that's causing it |
| 18:56 | <Chutt> | loading/converting those .pngs |
| 18:56 | <Chutt> | and the fonts |
| 19:04 | <Chutt> | hrmph |
| 19:04 | <Chutt> | it's _snowing |
| 19:04 | <Chutt> | nasty |
| 19:29 | <mdz> | Chutt: hmm, does it do that every time? |
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| 19:29 | <mdz> | come to think of it, I haven't seen the OSD in a while now |
| 19:29 | <mdz> | I haven't been keeping up to date with config file changes |
| 19:29 | <mdz> | I want conffiles :-P |
| 19:30 | <Chutt> | it loads it every time playback starts, yeah |
| 19:30 | <Chutt> | i'm reworking the osd right now, but that's going to stay the same |
| 19:30 | <mdz> | ok, I'm going to try to work out the issue I was having with current CVS now that I'm home |
| 19:30 | <Chutt> | cool |
| 19:30 | <mdz> | what's my best bet for finding out what's happening when it returns to the menu immediately? |
| 19:31 | <Chutt> | i'd start with the segfault first |
| 19:31 | <Chutt> | if you can reproduce that |
| 19:31 | <Chutt> | otherwise, see if its failing to load the file |
| 19:31 | <Chutt> | in nuppelvideoplayer::openfile() or whatever it's called |
| 19:32 | <Chutt> | i think it should spit out some console messages if it dies like that, though |
| 19:33 | <mdz> | oh, by the way, my CVS snapshot from a while back seems to choke on the new files |
| 19:33 | <Chutt> | it should |
| 19:33 | <mdz> | it gives an error, and then the UI becomes unresponsive |
| 19:33 | <Chutt> | same reason your mplayer patch does |
| 19:33 | <mdz> | the error is expecetd :-) |
| 19:33 | <Chutt> | ah |
| 19:33 | <Chutt> | but the ui doing that is not |
| 19:34 | <mdz> | this one is not a debugging build, unfortunately |
| 19:34 | <Chutt> | hrm |
| 19:34 | <Chutt> | ah |
| 19:34 | <mdz> | I'm going back up to current CVS w/debugging to investigate the other problem |
| 19:34 | <Chutt> | the ui becoming unresponsive is probably the ui thinkings its playing |
| 19:34 | <Chutt> | -s |
| 19:34 | <Chutt> | and waiting for it to be done playing |
| 19:34 | <mdz> | ok, I'm on current CVS now |
| 19:35 | <mdz> | when I scroll over a recording in the new format, it doesn't show the preview, first of all |
| 19:35 | <mdz> | the preview frame just has whatever was there last |
| 19:35 | <mdz> | (still) |
| 19:35 | <Chutt> | probably the same thing |
| 19:35 | <mdz> | oops, damn /usr/local |
| 19:36 | <mdz> | ok, now I'm _really_ running the new code |
| 19:36 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 19:36 | <mdz> | ok, the preview window works |
| 19:36 | <mdz> | trying to watch it gives a segfault |
| 19:36 | <mdz> | I'll have a backtrace in a sec |
| 19:36 | <Chutt> | good, should be easy to track down, then |
| 19:37 | <mdz> | crap |
| 19:37 | <mdz> | running it under the debugger it just drops back to the menu like it was before |
| 19:37 | <mdz> | maybe a race |
| 19:37 | <Chutt> | quite possibly |
| 19:37 | <Chutt> | any console messages? |
| 19:37 | <mdz> | I'll beat on it and see if I can crash itagain |
| 19:37 | <mdz> | aha |
| 19:37 | <mdz> | slice end not reached but screenspace end (8153301 left 7A0998) |
| 19:37 | <Chutt> | err |
| 19:38 | <Chutt> | that's not me |
| 19:38 | <Chutt> | hmm.. |
| 19:38 | <mdz> | got the segfault |
| 19:38 | <mdz> | #0 0x4088eeae in mallopt () from /lib/libc.so.6 |
| 19:38 | <mdz> | #1 0x4088de81 in free () from /lib/libc.so.6 |
| 19:38 | <mdz> | #2 0x407ec8a4 in __builtin_vec_delete () |
| 19:38 | <mdz> | from /usr/lib/libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 |
| 19:38 | <mdz> | #3 0x08081622 in NuppelVideoPlayer::OpenFile (this=0x40f36008, skipDsp=false) |
| 19:38 | <mdz> | at NuppelVideoPlayer.cpp:475 |
| 19:38 | <mdz> | #4 0x080839f9 in NuppelVideoPlayer::StartPlaying (this=0x40f36008) |
| 19:38 | <mdz> | at NuppelVideoPlayer.cpp:1361 |
| 19:38 | <mdz> | #5 0x08073c6c in SpawnDecode (param=0x40f36008) at tv.cpp:41 |
| 19:38 | <mdz> | (gdb) print space |
| 19:38 | <mdz> | $1 = 0x83337f8 "" |
| 19:39 | <Chutt> | print video_width |
| 19:39 | <mdz> | (in my sources that line is delete[] space) |
| 19:39 | <Chutt> | and video_height |
| 19:39 | <mdz> | both 480 |
| 19:39 | <mdz> | which is correct |
| 19:39 | <Chutt> | ok, that's obviously fine |
| 19:39 | <Chutt> | print haspositionmap |
| 19:39 | <mdz> | true |
| 19:40 | <Chutt> | line 357 |
| 19:40 | <Chutt> | modify it to be if (0 && <rest of the line>) |
| 19:40 | <Chutt> | see if that lets you play it |
| 19:41 | <mdz> | building |
| 19:42 | <Chutt> | that'll just turn off the seek table parsing |
| 19:42 | <Chutt> | is all |
| 19:42 | <mdz> | yep |
| 19:42 | <mdz> | it plays |
| 19:42 | <Chutt> | great |
| 19:44 | <Chutt> | sorry, phone call |
| 19:45 | <Universe> | did Chutt break something? |
| 19:45 | <Chutt> | so, there's 20 lines where the problem is |
| 19:45 | <Universe> | heh.. |
| 19:45 | <Chutt> | nope, i didn't break nuthin |
| 19:45 | <Chutt> | mdz, allright |
| 19:45 | <Chutt> | remove that 0 && mod |
| 19:45 | <mdz> | already did |
| 19:46 | <Chutt> | ah |
| 19:46 | <Chutt> | heh =) |
| 19:46 | <Chutt> | figuring it out on your own? =) |
| 19:46 | <mdz> | was reading it anyway |
| 19:46 | <Chutt> | line 360: cout << currentpos << endl; |
| 19:46 | <Chutt> | after line 393 (the Seek) |
| 19:47 | <Chutt> | cout << ringBuffer->Seek(0, SEEK_CUR) << endl; |
| 19:47 | <Chutt> | just making sure its getting back to the proper position after it has read the seektable |
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| 19:47 | <mdz> | 1132 |
| 19:48 | <Chutt> | both of them? |
| 19:48 | <mdz> | Changing from None to WatchingPreRecorded |
| 19:48 | <mdz> | [New Thread 491551 (LWP 11232)][New Thread 491551 (LWP 11232)] |
| 19:48 | <mdz> | 1132 |
| 19:48 | <mdz> | Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. |
| 19:48 | <Chutt> | now that's odd |
| 19:50 | <mdz> | $2 = {version = 1, video_fourcc = 1482049860, audio_fourcc = 1162690892, |
| 19:50 | <mdz> | audio_sample_rate = 48000, audio_bits_per_sample = 16, audio_channels = 2, |
| 19:50 | <mdz> | audio_compression_ratio = 11, audio_quality = 9, rtjpeg_quality = 0, |
| 19:50 |
