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| 01:22 | <mdz> | Chutt: welcome back |
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| 05:47 | <K-Man^> | hi folks |
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| 08:49 | <Chutt> | mdz, i'm not ignoring your two emails from earlier in the week, just been doing the easy ones first =) |
| 08:54 | <skitzo> | Chutt: is it safe to assume externalcommand.cardinput was intended for future use, for what i think it was? |
| 08:54 | <skitzo> | heh |
| 08:56 | <Chutt> | yup |
| 08:57 | <Chutt> | i just haven't modified the code in tv.cpp to use that |
| 08:57 | <skitzo> | thought so |
| 08:57 | <skitzo> | i was about to give it a go but i think that would be hazardous to the world's health |
| 08:57 | <skitzo> | heh |
| 08:57 | <Chutt> | naw, it'd be easy |
| 08:59 | <skitzo> | i had sstarted messing w/ it, but found out nuppel dies w/ vloopback as a source.. so i cant test it |
| 08:59 | <skitzo> | (i only have an ATI capture card at the moment and it S U C K S) |
| 08:59 | <Chutt> | ah |
| 09:00 | <skitzo> | microsoft just OEMed winxp mediacenter.. you have competition ;P |
| 09:00 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 09:01 | <skitzo> | heh |
| 09:01 | <Chutt> | there's a bunch of windows programs that sell for $50 or so |
| 09:01 | <skitzo> | im kidding =) |
| 09:01 | <skitzo> | have you ever seen gstreamer? |
| 09:01 | <Chutt> | and freevo could be considered competition, if it actually did anything more than just be a frontend to mplayer =) |
| 09:01 | <skitzo> | yeah |
| 09:01 | <skitzo> | that was my thought =P |
| 09:01 | <Chutt> | freevo gets more exposure than mythtv, though |
| 09:02 | <skitzo> | not much longer i dont think |
| 09:02 | <skitzo> | if you keep going in the direction you are... |
| 09:02 | <Chutt> | eh |
| 09:02 | <skitzo> | you'll blow the panties off of it |
| 09:02 | <skitzo> | (you already do, its just not known ;)) |
| 09:02 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 09:03 | <skitzo> | heh |
| 09:03 | <Chutt> | and yeah, i've seen gstreamer |
| 09:03 | <skitzo> | anyway, just curious, do you have any intention/interest in potentially linking myth against some kind of standard video processing lib... to allow multiple formats et al? |
| 09:04 | <Chutt> | libavcodec |
| 09:04 | <Chutt> | which is what most people use as a standard library |
| 09:04 | <skitzo> | okay |
| 09:05 | <skitzo> | i was unaware - my bad |
| 09:05 | <Chutt> | does a bunch of stuff |
| 09:05 | <Chutt> | ffmpeg.sf.net |
| 09:05 | <skitzo> | so is it easy, as is, to add formats to myth? |
| 09:05 | <Chutt> | the different encoders _should_ work |
| 09:05 | <Chutt> | i've just only tested the mpeg4 one |
| 09:05 | <skitzo> | ah |
| 09:05 | <skitzo> | (i wish i could test more of this myself - but as said before.. capture issues) |
| 09:06 | <skitzo> | some interesting talk while you've been gone.. about potentially enhancing output vid quality of myth |
| 09:06 | <Chutt> | in here? |
| 09:06 | <skitzo> | yup |
| 09:07 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 09:07 | <skitzo> | i guess there were some questions.. someone had tried an ffmpeg cap(?) with the same settings as they have in myth |
| 09:07 | <skitzo> | and yielded a better video that way |
| 09:07 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 09:07 | <Chutt> | mdz wrote to the mailing list with that |
| 09:08 | <skitzo> | ah |
| 09:08 | <skitzo> | i want to start a myth faq.. hmm |
| 09:08 | <Chutt> | there's already a faq in the distribution |
| 09:08 | <Chutt> | if you'd want to add on to that |
| 09:08 | <skitzo> | hmm |
| 09:08 | <skitzo> | heh forgot it was even there ;P |
| 09:09 | <Chutt> | i dunno, a web based faq might work better, though |
| 09:09 | <skitzo> | thats what im thinking |
| 09:09 | <skitzo> | anyhoo, if you dont mind me asking |
| 09:09 | <skitzo> | what do you do? work fulltime.,. school.. or? |
| 09:09 | <Chutt> | work fulltime |
| 09:09 | <skitzo> | i see |
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| 09:10 | <skitzo> | and id hope in your mind there are longterm plans to devel myth?;) |
| 09:10 | <Chutt> | longterm? |
| 09:11 | <skitzo> | eg, do you forsee continued devel for a while, or is there a potential for a hiatus? |
| 09:11 | <skitzo> | (i ask this because i see it often w/ cool opensrc stuff, and im contemplating dumping money into hardware, and want to make sure its not a -horribly bad- decision ;)) |
| 09:11 | <Chutt> | oh, probably |
| 09:11 | <skitzo> | not trying to harass you - just generally curious |
| 09:15 | <Universe> | Hey Chutt... ignore the email I sent you... vektor and I figured out that the drivers for the voodoo card doesn't support capture. |
| 09:15 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 09:15 | <Chutt> | ok |
| 09:15 | <Chutt> | i was going to ask questions along those lines |
| 09:15 | <Universe> | heh.. |
| 09:16 | <skitzo> | hmm |
| 09:17 | <skitzo> | i wonder if theres going to be others 'dedicated' to doing work in myth? eg, would it be at all wise to have a faq type page with things that are being worked on.. their current state (to the best of ones knowledge...), and whos working on it? |
| 09:20 | <Chutt> | i dunno |
| 09:21 | <skitzo> | well damn you =P |
| 09:21 | <Chutt> | most of the work's done by me |
| 09:21 | <skitzo> | yeah |
| 09:21 | <skitzo> | that i know |
| 09:22 | <Chutt> | there's a guy doing the web interface |
| 09:22 | <Chutt> | but he seems to be busy with real work for right now |
| 09:22 | <skitzo> | hrm |
| 09:22 | <Chutt> | and a guy working on the game stuff |
| 09:22 | <skitzo> | i can probably contrib to the php/sql aspect of the web interface |
| 09:22 | <Chutt> | and i get occasional patches from other people |
| 09:22 | <skitzo> | (i suck at html though!) |
| 09:24 | * skitzo | ponders.... FAQ? forum? |
| 09:25 | <Chutt> | faq |
| 09:25 | <Chutt> | i don't see the need for a forum =) |
| 09:25 | <skitzo> | okay |
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| 09:57 | <Universe> | so Chutt... have a good vacation? |
| 09:58 | <Chutt> | yup |
| 09:58 | <Universe> | good to hear. |
| 10:04 | <Chutt> | skitzo, almost got that installed, needed up update debian, first, though |
| 10:05 | <skitzo> | ok |
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| 10:27 | <Chutt> | ok |
| 10:27 | <Chutt> | www.mythtv.org/faq/ |
| 10:27 | <Chutt> | be nice if that was customized <hint, hint> =) |
| 10:31 | <skitzo> | it has no auth system? .. hmm |
| 10:31 | <Chutt> | nope |
| 10:31 | <Universe> | I was just going to say that |
| 10:32 | <Chutt> | the edit page could be made to be password protected easily enough |
| 10:32 | <skitzo> | yah |
| 10:33 | <Universe> | watching QT and KDE compile is like watching the grass grow.. |
| 10:35 | <skitzo> | hah |
| 10:37 | <skitzo> | are there any plans to divide myth up into a server/set-top solution? |
| 10:37 | <skitzo> | =) |
| 10:37 | <Universe> | from what I have heard Chutt say... |
| 10:37 | <skitzo> | i know, this is to be quoted for the faq ;) |
| 10:38 | <Universe> | if you are willing to do it and it doesn't hurt anything else, he will implement it into the cvs.. |
| 10:39 | <skitzo> | heh |
| 10:40 | <Chutt> | well, that goes for any new feature |
| 10:41 | <skitzo> | we;l blah to both of you |
| 10:41 | <skitzo> | =D |
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| 13:22 | <OrangeSun> | hey guys! |
| 13:22 | <OrangeSun> | Chutt!!! tis so good to see you.. |
| 13:22 | <OrangeSun> | <-- Tarek |
| 13:23 | <vektor> | Chutt?? |
| 13:23 | <vektor> | chutt!!! |
| 13:23 | <OrangeSun> | You're like God, but you actually answer prayers. |
| 13:23 | <OrangeSun> | vektor!!!! |
| 13:23 | <OrangeSun> | vektor: I can't get TV time to pick up my composite! |
| 13:23 | <vektor> | OrangeSun: Hit F9 ! |
| 13:23 | <OrangeSun> | I hit F9, but no go. |
| 13:23 | <vektor> | What does it say? |
| 13:23 | <OrangeSun> | or is it f9 then shift-1? |
| 13:23 | <vektor> | Do you have the latest tvtime? |
| 13:23 | <OrangeSun> | vektor: not sure.. just got it 2 days ago.. |
| 13:23 | <vektor> | If it does nothing, you might have an old tvtime. |
| 13:23 | <vektor> | oh. |
| 13:24 | <vektor> | well get from today. |
| 13:24 | <OrangeSun> | OK.. |
| 13:24 | <OrangeSun> | how do I check out something from CVS? |
| 13:24 | <vektor> | go into the tvtime directory.. |
| 13:24 | <vektor> | do 'cvs -z3 update -dP' |
| 13:24 | <vektor> | oh fuck |
| 13:24 | <vektor> | you might have it from before the autoconf'ing |
| 13:24 | <vektor> | that will suck ass :) |
| 13:27 | <OrangeSun> | it claims it updated.. |
| 13:27 | <OrangeSun> | now just recompile? |
| 13:27 | <vektor> | did it update alot of stuff? |
| 13:27 | <vektor> | did you run like autogen,sh befre? |
| 13:27 | <vektor> | or did you have it before i did all that? |
| 13:28 | <OrangeSun> | it only had like 3 lines of update.. |
| 13:28 | <OrangeSun> | maybe I'm better off just getting it all over again? |
| 13:28 | <vektor> | oh |
| 13:28 | <vektor> | then just type make |
| 13:30 | <OrangeSun> | I'm knitting me a big sweater.. |
| 13:30 | <OrangeSun> | Do you know how people look at you when you're a 20-something year old male rocking back and forth with an old woman knitting in a crazy bin? |
| 13:30 | <OrangeSun> | err.. psychiatric care institution? |
| 13:31 | <skitzo> | hhahah |
| 13:31 | <skitzo> | ... wtf |
| 13:31 | <OrangeSun> | Yep. My mother insisted we all learn all sorts of these things when we was young so we could be self-sufficient.. |
| 13:32 | <OrangeSun> | so I sew and knit and cook and hunt |
| 13:32 | <skitzo> | yes but explain the old woman knitting in a crazy bin part =P |
| 13:32 | <OrangeSun> | I volunteer there, and she was lonely.. |
| 13:32 | <skitzo> | i see |
| 13:32 | <OrangeSun> | so we sat down and had a "stitch and bitch" |
| 13:32 | <OrangeSun> | and before I knew it, I almost have enough for a sweater! |
| 13:33 | <skitzo> | youre setting yourself up for all sorts of criticism =P |
| 13:33 | <OrangeSun> | why? |
| 13:33 | <skitzo> | the knitting thing.. ;) |
| 13:34 | <OrangeSun> | well, I agree.. my stitch isn't nearly where it should be.. |
| 13:34 | <OrangeSun> | but I've improved a lot.. |
| 13:34 | <skitzo> | (personally i dont care.. but society is another story) |
| 13:34 | <skitzo> | ahaha |
| 13:34 | <skitzo> | i mean guys knitting =P |
| 13:34 | <OrangeSun> | and just imagine.. imagine how much more productive I am while I sit there watching a compile! |
| 13:34 | <OrangeSun> | hehe : ) |
| 13:35 | <skitzo> | hah |
| 13:35 | <OrangeSun> | I was thinking about that.. |
| 13:36 | <OrangeSun> | seriously.. I keep the needles and yarn by the computer now, and just watch ONLY whilest rendering/compiling. |
| 13:36 | <skitzo> | .. weirdo |
| 13:38 | <OrangeSun> | hehe. I'll be a nice, warm weirdo... |
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| 14:22 | <K-Man^> | i got an error when i compile mythtv-6 |
| 14:23 | <Chutt> | that's enlightening |
| 14:23 | <K-Man^> | postprocess_template.c:656: warning: unused parameter `QP' |
| 14:23 | <K-Man^> | postprocess_template.c: In function `tempNoiseReducer_3DNow': |
| 14:23 | <K-Man^> | postprocess_template.c:2047: warning: unused parameter `maxNoise' |
| 14:23 | <K-Man^> | make[2]: *** [postprocess.o] Error 1 |
| 14:23 | <K-Man^> | make[2]: Leaving directory `/root/mythtv-0.6/filters/postprocess' |
| 14:23 | <K-Man^> | make[1]: *** [sub-postprocess] Error 2 |
| 14:23 | <K-Man^> | make[1]: Leaving directory `/root/mythtv-0.6/filters' |
| 14:23 | <K-Man^> | make: *** [sub-filters] Error 2 |
| 14:23 | <Chutt> | those are warnings |
| 14:23 | <Chutt> | what's the error. |
| 14:24 | <vektor> | chutt! |
| 14:24 | <Chutt> | hey |
| 14:24 | <vektor> | Chutt: dude, sup man. |
| 14:24 | <Chutt> | nothin much =) |
| 14:24 | <vektor> | dude, i'm getting ready to release tvtime |
| 14:25 | <Chutt> | cool |
| 14:25 | <vektor> | i ported in a bunch of dscaler filters |
| 14:25 | <vektor> | the port was super simple |
| 14:25 | <Chutt> | i'll check it out |
| 14:25 | <vektor> | you gotsta! |
| 14:25 | <Chutt> | even their mmx opts? |
| 14:25 | <vektor> | i need like a wee bit more beta testin |
| 14:25 | <vektor> | yea yea |
| 14:25 | <vektor> | mmxtified |
| 14:25 | <vektor> | i soooped up speed yo |
| 14:25 | <Chutt> | cool |
| 14:25 | <vektor> | i haven't mmx'ified my compositing routines yet tho |
| 14:25 | <vektor> | but when i do you'll get them too |
| 14:25 | <vektor> | reetstylin |
| 14:25 | <Chutt> | how hard was it to convert the microsoft asm stuff to something linux understands? |
| 14:25 | <K-Man^> | grr... i cant find the error message :( |
| 14:26 | <vektor> | Chutt: ever seen mmx.h ? |
| 14:26 | <Chutt> | k-man, probably at the top |
| 14:26 | <Chutt> | vektor, of course |
| 14:26 | <vektor> | i used that |
| 14:26 | <vektor> | i looove the mmx.h style |
| 14:26 | <vektor> | it made it soo easy |
| 14:26 | <Chutt> | but iirc, dscaler had bunches of just .S files |
| 14:26 | <vektor> | all you do is stuff like 'movq mm1, mm3' -> 'movq_r2r( mm3, mm1 );' |
| 14:26 | <vektor> | they have '.asm' files. |
| 14:26 | <Chutt> | yeah, same diff =) |
| 14:26 | <vektor> | which are C+asm in a file and they use the preprocessor to expand it |
| 14:27 | <vektor> | so that way the generate MMX/SSE/3dnow versions all at once |
| 14:27 | <vektor> | using the C preprocessor |
| 14:27 | <vektor> | but they just use inline asm |
| 14:27 | <vektor> | anyway, all their asm is for mmx stuff, mostly |
| 14:27 | <vektor> | barely anything else |
| 14:27 | <vektor> | so it's trivial to port |
| 14:27 | <vektor> | especially if you know mmx |
| 14:27 | <vektor> | and i'm pretty good with mmx :) |
| 14:27 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 14:27 | <vektor> | except i majorly fucked up the greedy2frame port |
| 14:27 | <vektor> | since it looks like shit |
| 14:27 | <Chutt> | bunch of link errors with tvtime cvs |
| 14:27 | <vektor> | oh? |
| 14:28 | <vektor> | you probably don't have automake1.7 |
| 14:28 | <vektor> | erm |
| 14:28 | <vektor> | or automake1.6 |
| 14:28 | <vektor> | just read README.CVS |
| 14:28 | <Chutt> | it didn't include _any_ libs on the link line |
| 14:28 | <vektor> | apt-get install automake1.6 |
| 14:28 | <vektor> | update-alternatives --config automake |
| 14:28 | <vektor> | select automake 1.6 |
| 14:28 | <vektor> | then rm missing |
| 14:28 | <vektor> | then autogen.sh |
| 14:28 | <Chutt> | heh, sec |
| 14:28 | <vektor> | k :) |
| 14:28 | <Chutt> | i'm behind with my debian stuff |
| 14:29 | <Chutt> | so i need to update first |
| 14:30 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 14:30 | <Chutt> | ok, more than just a sec |
| 14:30 | <vektor> | ehehe |
| 14:30 | <Chutt> | 13 minutes |
| 14:30 | <vektor> | i'm trying to do automatic norm detection |
| 14:30 | <vektor> | but i don't think there's any way |
| 14:31 | <vektor> | sucks as |
| 14:33 | <K-Man^> | http://shadow.ghettosmurf.org/~runar/error.txt |
| 14:33 | <K-Man^> | Is there something thats describes the error in this file? |
| 14:34 | <Chutt> | postprocess_template.c:1885: can't find a register in class `GENERAL_REGS' while reloading `asm' |
| 14:34 | <Chutt> | that |
| 14:34 | <Chutt> | easiest thing to do is just edit filters.pro in filters/ |
| 14:34 | <Chutt> | and remove the 'postprocess' from the line |
| 14:35 | <vektor> | dude is probably using some newfangled gcc thang |
| 14:35 | <Chutt> | i dunno |
| 14:35 | <K-Man^> | hmm-.. |
| 14:35 | <Chutt> | i just ripped it out of mplayer |
| 14:35 | <vektor> | oh |
| 14:35 | <vektor> | K-Man^: are you using like gcc 3.2 or some shit? |
| 14:35 | <K-Man^> | I'l try.. |
| 14:35 | <Chutt> | k-man, try? :p |
| 14:35 | <Chutt> | all you're doing is telling it not to compile that directory |
| 14:35 | <K-Man^> | vektor: yes |
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| 14:38 | <vektor> | K-Man^: I bet that has something to do with it. |
| 14:39 | <K-Man^> | vektor: what gcc do you recomend to use? |
| 14:40 | <Chutt> | just do what i said |
| 14:40 | <Chutt> | and it'll be fine |
| 14:40 | <vektor> | 3.2 is fine but remember that most projects aren't using it yet so you will find problems like that and probably alot more warnings than the rest of us see |
| 14:40 | <vektor> | like it's going to take a while before everything works with 3.2 |
| 14:40 | * vektor | speaks in the general |
| 14:40 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 14:41 | <K-Man^> | :) |
| 14:41 | <Chutt> | i can't run mythtv with 3.2 yet since debian's still distributing a qt that's linked to 2.95.4 |
| 14:41 | <vektor> | ah, sucky |
| 14:41 | <Chutt> | but, other people are using gcc 3.2 with it fine, to my knowledge |
| 14:41 | <K-Man^> | I'm trying to remake it now.. hope it works |
| 14:42 | <Chutt> | hrm |
| 14:43 | <Chutt> | i think i've fixed everything people emailed about over the week, now |
| 14:43 | <skitzo> | hmm |
| 14:44 | <skitzo> | i wonder if hte matrox marvel g200 suffers from the same thing as the ATI+gatos drivers do (have to init card bios in an odd way before you can capture?) |
| 14:49 | <K-Man^> | someone that knows what bttv version that comes with MDK 8.2? |
| 14:50 | <Chutt> | dmesg | grep bttv |
| 14:50 | <Chutt> | first couple lines |
| 14:50 | <K-Man^> | i'm using 9.0, but want to know what's in 8.2 :) |
| 14:57 | <vektor> | I hate how V4L calls 'channel' what I want to call 'input'. |
| 14:57 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 14:57 | <Chutt> | i thought that was silly |
| 14:57 | <vektor> | pisses me off. |
| 14:57 | <vektor> | V4L2 is going to kick btw. |
| 14:58 | <vektor> | have you been following v4l-list? |
| 14:58 | <vektor> | yeah you haev |
| 14:58 | * vektor | remembers now |
| 14:58 | <vektor> | anyway |
| 14:58 | <vektor> | i don't support it yet :) |
| 15:01 | <Chutt> | i have ifdef'd out support for the old streaming interface to it |
| 15:01 | <Chutt> | i dunno if that'll still work |
| 15:13 | <Chutt> | vektor, you're not linking in -lz? |
| 15:16 | <vektor> | Chutt: Uh-oh. |
| 15:16 | <vektor> | Should I be? |
| 15:16 | <Chutt> | yup |
| 15:16 | <vektor> | I thought that would be had for free... |
| 15:16 | <vektor> | Ok, I'll add that in. Many thanks. |
| 15:16 | <Chutt> | -lpng needs it, iirc |
| 15:16 | <Chutt> | and |
| 15:16 | <Chutt> | it can't find the .ttf or .pngs |
| 15:17 | <vektor> | Run from the 'src' directory. |
| 15:17 | <vektor> | I don't have 'make install' support yet. |
| 15:17 | <vektor> | It's a filed bug :( |
| 15:17 | <Chutt> | aah |
| 15:20 | <Chutt> | so how does one change deinterlacing algs? |
| 15:21 | <vektor> | 't' |
| 15:21 | <vektor> | See http://tvtime.sourceforge.net/help.html for the list of key commands. |
| 15:22 | <vektor> | Soon everything will be runtime configurable. |
| 15:22 | <Chutt> | 'weave last field' looks the best |
| 15:22 | <Chutt> | no flicker |
| 15:22 | <vektor> | yeah |
| 15:23 | <vektor> | but it also looks like crap on motion :) |
| 15:23 | <Chutt> | everything else flickers a little |
| 15:23 | <vektor> | twoframe shouldn't flicker so bad |
| 15:23 | <Chutt> | with twoframe being next best |
| 15:23 | <vektor> | it's pretty good |
| 15:23 | <Chutt> | linear interpolation being the worst looking |
| 15:23 | <vektor> | still i know we can do better |
| 15:23 | <vektor> | yep, of course |
| 15:23 | <Chutt> | what are the time/tv icons for? |
| 15:24 | <vektor> | um, that's our logo! :) |
| 15:24 | <vektor> | 'tv time' :) |
| 15:24 | <vektor> | but eventually it will make more sense |
| 15:24 | <vektor> | i mean, they will have meaning |
| 15:24 | <Chutt> | aaah |
| 15:24 | <Chutt> | i didn't get that =) |
| 15:24 | <vektor> | it's ok :) |
| 15:24 | <vektor> | i didn't get it either :) |
| 15:24 | <vektor> | doug did that |
| 15:24 | <Chutt> | hah |
| 15:24 | <Chutt> | it all looks nice, though |
| 15:25 | <vektor> | wow, thanks! |
| 15:25 | <vektor> | it's coming along quite well |
| 15:25 | <vektor> | i'm really happy |
| 15:25 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 15:25 | <vektor> | i'm keeping the interface quite clean too |
| 15:25 | <vektor> | at least, trying to |
| 15:25 | <vektor> | the osd of course mucked things up alot |
| 15:25 | <vektor> | but you should check out speedy.h |
| 15:25 | <Chutt> | i'm thinking of adding a 'no frills' tv playback thing to mythtv |
| 15:25 | <vektor> | well, we should work together :) |
| 15:25 | <Chutt> | no encode/decode loop |
| 15:25 | <Chutt> | aye |
| 15:26 | <vektor> | feel free, of course, to copy anything in there you might like. |
| 15:26 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 15:26 | <Chutt> | we'll see |
| 15:26 | <vektor> | hehe |
| 15:28 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 15:28 | <Chutt> | sprint's web account managing is down _again_ |
| 15:28 | <vektor> | sucky |
| 15:45 | <vektor> | Chutt: any advice re:tvtime ? |
| 15:45 | <Chutt> | such as? |
| 15:45 | <Chutt> | just make it handle the make install properly =) |
| 15:47 | <vektor> | ok |
| 15:47 | <vektor> | :) |
| 15:51 | <mdz> | Chutt: sorry to dump all that stuff on the list right after you left; I haven't had much time to experiment with it recently and I wanted to send it off before I forgot :-) |
| 15:52 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 15:52 | <Chutt> | no problem =) |
| 15:52 | <vektor> | Woop I fixed two bugsl.. |
| 15:52 | <vektor> | close.d |
| 15:52 | <vektor> | The sourceforge bug system rocks. |
| 15:52 | <Chutt> | eh |
| 15:53 | <vektor> | I like it. |
| 15:53 | <vektor> | It's really helpful for me to be able to remember what I need to fix. |
| 15:53 | <vektor> | And give me some incentive to fix them. |
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| 16:01 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 16:02 | <Chutt> | testing things when you've got a kdeinit process gone crazy and using all available cpu doesn't exactly work very well |
| 16:04 | <Universe> | I bet not. |
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| 16:30 | <mdz> | grr, still no progress on the xmltv ITP |
| 16:30 | <mdz> | and no response to my inquiry |
| 16:31 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 16:32 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 16:32 | <Chutt> | the freetype maintainer sucks |
| 16:32 | <Chutt> | and i want to know why this broken crap version of procps is still in the distribution =) |
| 16:34 | <Soopaman> | Chutt, are you good with compiling gcc's from source? |
| 16:34 | <Chutt> | i haven't done that in a very long time |
| 16:35 | <Chutt> | i use a distribution so i don't waste my time compiling stuff |
| 16:38 | <vektor> | ok i now support 'make install'. |
| 16:38 | <vektor> | what's up with freetype? |
| 16:38 | <vektor> | what's the problem? |
| 16:38 | <Chutt> | oh, the debian guy's breaking it, that's all |
| 16:39 | <sefudiere> | hey does anyone here use freevo ? |
| 16:39 | <Chutt> | sefudiere, no. |
| 16:39 | <Universe> | mythtv > freevo |
| 16:40 | <sefudiere> | i like mythtv for watching tv, but i need freevo to browse through my divx mp3 and stuff.. |
| 16:40 | <Universe> | only my opinion, of course |
| 16:40 | <Chutt> | err |
| 16:40 | <Chutt> | mythmusic :p |
| 16:40 | <sefudiere> | no divx :) |
| 16:40 | <Chutt> | it'd take a whole hour, probably |
| 16:40 | <Chutt> | to do a movie interface |
| 16:40 | <sefudiere> | and no support for the dxr3 |
| 16:40 | <mdz> | Chutt: what's wrong with freetype |
| 16:40 | <mdz> | Chutt: I actually like the new procps in a lot of ways |
| 16:41 | <sefudiere> | which is what i use to watch the divx with freevo |
| 16:41 | <sefudiere> | would be a good idea though, to do a movie interface :) |
| 16:41 | <Chutt> | sefudiere, if all you want is a mplayer frontend, it'd take about an hour to make a movie interface for mythtv |
| 16:41 | <Chutt> | mdz, the manpage pisses me off |
| 16:41 | <Chutt> | mdz, and the fact that you can't turn off the bold stats |
| 16:41 | <Chutt> | it's just unprofessional |
| 16:42 | <Chutt> | and very, very childish |
| 16:42 | <Chutt> | and as such, doesn't belong in the distro |
| 16:42 | <Chutt> | freetype's broken in that 9pt fonts are about twice the size of 8pt fonts, with the version that's currently in unstable =) |
| 16:43 | <sefudiere> | really? thats all i want actually.. some mythtv functionality + menu to browse my divx (but that all has to go out through the dxr3 and not tv-out) |
| 16:43 | <Chutt> | sefudiere, really :p |
| 16:43 | <Chutt> | it's just not something i'm interested in writing, so.. |
| 16:43 | <sefudiere> | how hard would it be to add dxr3 support? |
| 16:43 | <Chutt> | i dunno |
| 16:44 | <Chutt> | i'm not in the habit of supporting hardware i don't have, so.. |
| 16:45 | <sefudiere> | humm, i might be interested in adding support for dxr3.. how do u currently handle the output to tv? |
| 16:45 | <mdz> | Chutt: the manpage sucks |
| 16:46 | <mdz> | Chutt: there are already bugs about it |
| 16:46 | <Chutt> | i know |
| 16:46 | <mdz> | Chutt: I assume you're talking about top :-) |
| 16:46 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 16:46 | <-- Universe | has quit () |
| 16:46 | <mdz> | Chutt: but I'm pleased as hell that ps is now much faster |
| 16:46 | <mdz> | Chutt: it was really painful to use on systems with a lot of java processes |
| 16:46 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 16:46 | <mdz> | it would take forever to parse /proc/x/maps |
| 16:47 | <mdz> | people have already volunteered to replace the manpage with a less self-indulgent version, hopefully they will follow through |
| 16:47 | <Chutt> | sefudiere, Qt for all the UIs, Xv for the video |
| 16:47 | <mdz> | the fact that it does not sort by CPU usage by default is ridiculous |
| 16:47 | <mdz> | the name of the program is top dammit |
| 16:47 | <Chutt> | it does now |
| 16:47 | <mdz> | oh, they fixed that then |
| 16:47 | <Chutt> | but, like |
| 16:47 | <mdz> | I had already made a .toprc :-) |
| 16:48 | <mdz> | it'll shut up all the people who complained about top not showing separate statistics for multiple CPUs :-P |
| 16:48 | <mdz> | I hadn't noticed that size problem with freetype |
| 16:48 | <mdz> | did that happen when they disabled the bytecode interpreter? |
| 16:48 | <mdz> | I thought they turned that back on because it broke too much stuff and looked like shit |
| 16:48 | <Chutt> | i dunno |
| 16:48 | <Chutt> | i skipped up two versions |
| 16:48 | <Chutt> | the whole being gone for a week |
| 16:49 | <Chutt> | for a whole lot of ugliness in top |
| 16:49 | <Chutt> | hit 'A' |
| 16:49 | <Chutt> | then z-a-z-a-z-a-z-a |
| 16:49 | <vektor> | Chutt: i think we should rip off DScaler's 'channel.txt' file, seems to be more up-to-date than frequencies.* |
| 16:50 | <vektor> | top sucks my ass. |
| 16:50 | <Chutt> | stuff like that shouldn't even be allowed =) |
| 16:50 | <mdz> | there are a lot of ways to make the new top ugly |
| 16:50 | <mdz> | it has a couple of things I like though, like the ability to show command line arguments |
| 16:50 | <Chutt> | I won't say much about the top.1 file, except that it used to |
| 16:50 | <Chutt> | contain the rant in README.top as well. You're abusing Jim's |
| 16:50 | <Chutt> | very first man page for his very first public code. |
| 16:50 | <Chutt> | and that's just wrong |
| 16:50 | * mdz | spits on Jim's very first man page |
| 16:50 | <Chutt> | rik's version of procps should be available, at least |
| 16:55 | <skitzo> | [16:46:20][16:46:20] <mdz> Chutt: but I'm pleased as hell that ps is now much faster |
| 16:55 | <skitzo> | ?! |
| 16:59 | <skitzo> | http://linuxmedialabs.com/linuxvideo.html |
| 16:59 | <skitzo> | "Some digital video resources" |
| 16:59 | <skitzo> | .... H33 driver for linux [click] |
| 16:59 | <skitzo> | i personally found that amusing for some reason. |
| 17:00 | <mdz> | skitzo: ? |
| 17:00 | <skitzo> | 'ps is now faster' ? |
| 17:00 | <skitzo> | when's now, and what happened =) |
| 17:00 | <mdz> | skitzo: yes, ps(1) |
| 17:00 | <mdz> | skitzo: it's a different implementation |
| 17:01 | <mdz> | Chutt: I've got myth in a weird state. I was watching a previous recording while another recording was in progress, paused the playback, and now it won't unpause. the scheduled recording is apparently continuing uninterrupted, though |
| 17:01 | <Chutt> | weird |
| 17:01 | <skitzo> | are we referring to linux? |
| 17:01 | <Chutt> | click on the window? |
| 17:01 | <mdz> | skitzo: Debian specifically |
| 17:01 | <Chutt> | maybe it lost focus somehow |
| 17:02 | <mdz> | hmm, interesting idea |
| 17:02 | <skitzo> | drat. |
| 17:02 | <skitzo> | can you point me in a direction to what youre talking about? |
| 17:02 | <skitzo> | (this is a big issue for me. .heh) |
| 17:02 | <mdz> | myth is the only thing open, but I suppose it could be focusing the other window |
| 17:02 | <Chutt> | procps.sf.net |
| 17:02 | <skitzo> | oh |
| 17:02 | <skitzo> | so its the whole procps package |
| 17:02 | <skitzo> | alrighty then |
| 17:02 | <skitzo> | ta |
| 17:03 | <Chutt> | mdz, anyway, playback speed/cpu usage: add support for libavcodec's direct rendering |
| 17:04 | <Chutt> | would get rid of a lot of memcpys, i believe |
| 17:05 | <Chutt> | which should improve speed quite a bit |
| 17:05 | <mdz> | Chutt: would that make it impossible to use the deinterlacer? |
| 17:05 | <Chutt> | nope |
| 17:05 | <mdz> | or is that part of libavcodec? |
| 17:05 | <Chutt> | it's external, but it can just deinterlace in-frame |
| 17:06 | <Chutt> | since it's a fairly simple deinterlacer |
| 17:06 | <Chutt> | as for the quality difference, there's a couple other things different between those two runs |
| 17:06 | <mdz> | I picked up a composite->s-video adapter today, so I should be able to start using my digital cable tuner |
| 17:07 | <skitzo> | whats your situation? svideo-only card..? |
| 17:07 | <mdz> | yes |
| 17:07 | <mdz> | it comes with an adapter, but I'm borrowing it from a friend and he can't find the adapter |
| 17:07 | <skitzo> | what card was that again? |
| 17:07 | <mdz> | Hauppauge WinTV |
| 17:07 | <skitzo> | ermm |
| 17:07 | <Chutt> | i'm pretty sure that the ffmpegrec uses a GOP size of of something like 250 frames |
| 17:07 | <skitzo> | not the Go! ? |
| 17:07 | <Chutt> | while mythtv uses a 30 frame segment |
| 17:07 | <mdz> | it's the one with radio and what not |
| 17:08 | <vektor> | Chutt: dude you have advertizers |
| 17:08 | <mdz> | I'm not sure of the model name |
| 17:08 | <skitzo> | ah ha |
| 17:08 | <skitzo> | thats why |
| 17:08 | <mdz> | only that it works with the bttv driver |
| 17:08 | <skitzo> | i was .. really confused. |
| 17:08 | <skitzo> | heh |
| 17:08 | <Chutt> | vektor, hmm? |
| 17:08 | <vektor> | Chutt: Someone just posted about myth to the marvel-linux list. |
| 17:08 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 17:08 | * skitzo | waits for the site to come to a crashing hault >=) |
| 17:08 | <mdz> | Chutt: 250 frames doesn't seem entirely unreasonable |
| 17:08 | <Chutt> | well, yeah |
| 17:08 | <Chutt> | it works |
| 17:08 | <mdz> | unless you're doing editing or something |
| 17:08 | <Chutt> | seeking sucks, though |
| 17:09 | <vektor> | ffmpeg's deinterlacer is useless. |
| 17:09 | <vektor> | btw. |
| 17:09 | <mdz> | shouldn't that give 1-second granularity for seeks at 25fps? |
| 17:09 | <Chutt> | 10 second granularity |
| 17:09 | <mdz> | er, I can't do math |
| 17:09 | <Chutt> | which is why i'm using 30, for 1 second granularity at ntsc |
| 17:10 | <Chutt> | you can try changing the gop size to like 250 or so in the recorder.cpp |
| 17:10 | <Chutt> | see if that helps any |
| 17:10 | <Chutt> | err, have to do a couple other changes too =) |
| 17:10 | <mdz> | I just messed with the hung playback a bit; I couldn't get the mouse cursor to appear |
| 17:10 | <Chutt> | comment out the mpa_ctx->flags = blah; line |
| 17:10 | <mdz> | I 'clicked' a bunch anyway to see if it changed anything; couldn't get any response |
| 17:11 | <Chutt> | hrm |
| 17:11 | <Chutt> | maybe it did hang somehow |
| 17:11 | <Chutt> | but when it's paused, all its doing is sitting there waiting for you to unpause it |
| 17:11 | <mdz> | hmm...does it grab keyboard focus? |
| 17:11 | <Chutt> | no |
| 17:12 | <mdz> | I just opened xev over myth and couldn't get keystrokes from it |
| 17:12 | <Chutt> | maybe it should? |
| 17:12 | <mdz> | I can't tell if it's on top, though |
| 17:12 | <mdz> | (girlfriend is watching TV since myth is hosed :-) ) |
| 17:12 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 17:12 | <Chutt> | well, i don't set mythtv to be always on top, either |
| 17:13 | <Chutt> | so if you opened xev, it should be on top and focused |
| 17:13 | <mdz> | I assumed so |
| 17:13 | <Chutt> | unless you're using some messed up wm =) |
| 17:13 | <mdz> | I'm settled on fvwm for the moment |
| 17:14 | <mdz> | I was using ion, and that worked nicely except fullscreen support didn't work in quite the normal way |
| 17:14 | <Chutt> | ah, yeah |
| 17:14 | <Chutt> | you mentioned that, i think |
| 17:15 | <mdz> | hmm, xev doesn't seem to get a FocusIn event |
| 17:15 | <mdz> | I think it's supposed to |
| 17:15 | <Chutt> | yup |
| 17:15 | <Chutt> | should be |
| 17:15 | <mdz> | hmm |
| 17:16 | <mdz> | no other application has run in this session |
| 17:16 | <mdz> | I wonder what has happened |
| 17:16 | <mdz> | I need to bind a key to restart fvwm |
| 17:17 | <mdz> | at times like this I wish I could kill a thread |
| 17:17 | <skitzo> | `ati are poo. |
| 17:18 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 17:18 | <Chutt> | hrm |
| 17:18 | <Chutt> | chuck's still having problems trying to check in his mythgame updates :/ |
| 17:19 | <mdz> | what sort of problems? |
| 17:19 | <skitzo> | mdz_: are you at all familiar w/ matrox g200 TV cards? |
| 17:19 | <mdz> | skitzo: I don't own one, but I am a bit familiar |
| 17:19 | <Chutt> | well, currently it's: 'Vim: Warning: Output is not to a terminal.' |
| 17:19 | <Chutt> | before, it was the glibc update that didn't properly restart inetd =) |
| 17:20 | <mdz> | Chutt: that is a server-side bug I believe |
| 17:20 | <mdz> | in CVS |
| 17:20 | <Chutt> | ah |
| 17:20 | <skitzo> | okasy, i dunno if you saw me bitch a while ago about the ATI/gatos situation, to where you have to init the bios via X in order to get the capture portion running |
| 17:20 | <mdz> | Chutt: is he commtitting with an empty log message by any chance? |
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| 17:20 | <skitzo> | do you know if its the same situation w/ the matrox driver(s)? |
| 17:20 | <Chutt> | mdz, he might be, i don't know |
| 17:20 | <mdz> | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=161914&repeatmerged=yes |
| 17:20 | <mdz> | a bunch of people ran into that bug at my work |
| 17:21 | <Chutt> | ah |
| 17:21 | <mdz> | supposedly fixed in 1.11.2-5 |
| 17:21 | <Chutt> | never seen that before |
| 17:21 | <mdz> | ah, this is interesting |
| 17:21 | <mdz> | I just switched the video back |
| 17:21 | <Chutt> | hrm |
| 17:21 | <mdz> | and I see black boxes where the xev windows opened |
| 17:21 | <Chutt> | that's what i'm running, though |
| 17:21 | <mdz> | is it normal for it not to refresh while it is paused? |
| 17:21 | <Chutt> | no |
| 17:22 | <Chutt> | it refreshes every frame while paused |
| 17:22 | <mdz> | then it is definitely hosed |
| 17:22 | <Chutt> | yup |
| 17:22 | <mdz> | Chutt: ah, that must be why it uses about 10% of my CPU to pause :-) |
| 17:22 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 17:22 | <Chutt> | that's for the OSD, really |
| 17:22 | * skitzo | raises his hand =P |
| 17:22 | <Chutt> | gotta update that, so |
| 17:23 | <vektor> | skitzo: just go buy a bttv-based card. |
| 17:23 | <mdz> | hmm, now that I think about it this might be a debugging build |
| 17:23 | <vektor> | skitzo: for info on the g200-tv etc you might want to check out marvel.sf.net |
| 17:23 | <Chutt> | mdz, ooh, can you attach to it? |
| 17:23 | <mdz> | what are the chances that I would be able to attach to it without screwing the recording? |
| 17:23 | <skitzo> | vektor: wrong answer ;) |
| 17:23 | <skitzo> | and thats where i already checked.. =( |
| 17:23 | <Chutt> | oh, wait until it's done recording |
| 17:24 | <mdz> | Chutt: the situation with matrox is different, dunno about better or worse |
| 17:24 | <mdz> | Chutt: they have a kernel framebuffer module which can enable TV-out, which is very nice for running vidix stuff |
| 17:25 | <skitzo> | you mean.. skitzo? |
| 17:25 | <mdz> | er, yeah |
| 17:25 | <mdz> | s/Chutt/skitzo/ |
| 17:25 | <skitzo> | okay |
| 17:25 | <mdz> | skitzo: there is a different deal for enabling tv-out under X, which apparently doesn't work quite as well |
| 17:26 | <skitzo> | yah |
| 17:26 | <mdz> | skitzo: I have personally had good results with the gatos stuff |
| 17:26 | <skitzo> | im only interested in capture re: matrox ;) |
| 17:26 | <skitzo> | i havent - but my card is older than dirt |
| 17:26 | <mdz> | you're forced to run X, but I want X anyway |
| 17:26 | <skitzo> | yeah |
| 17:26 | <skitzo> | i dont =) |
| 17:26 | <skitzo> | (per card.. ) |
| 17:26 | <Chutt> | ok, it really looks like that 1.11.2-5 does not fix the editor spawning |
| 17:26 | <mdz> | I don't remember if I ever checked |
| 17:26 | <mdz> | at work, I basically told them they shouldn't be committing with empty log messages anyway :-) |
| 17:27 | <skitzo> | holy fuck me ps is faster |
| 17:27 | <vektor> | skitzo: Why not buy a bttv-supported card? |
| 17:28 | <skitzo> | because, for the price of a bttv card that has svideo ($100+).. i can get a matrox w/ twice the functionality |
| 17:28 | <mdz> | skitzo: to me, that alone is worth putting up with the annoying things in that procps |
| 17:28 | <vektor> | so you'd rather get an obsolete matrox card? |
| 17:28 | <skitzo> | what annoying things would those be? |
| 17:28 | <skitzo> | =P |
| 17:28 | <vektor> | i've heard horrible things about the matrox capture on the g200 |
| 17:28 | <vektor> | like the matrox eTV cards |
| 17:28 | <mdz> | skitzo: I thought the same thing, when I decided to buy the all-in-wonder |
| 17:29 | <vektor> | apparently they are slow as fuck for capturing at full rez |
| 17:29 | <mdz> | skitzo: you'll note I have a bttv card too now :-) |
| 17:29 | <skitzo> | uh huh |
| 17:29 | <skitzo> | im aout to drop the whole damn idea here before long =P |
| 17:29 | <skitzo> | rather than spend the rest of my life contemplating what capture card(s) i should have gotten; heh |
| 17:29 | <mdz> | skitzo: aw, this is the fun part |
| 17:29 | <mdz> | I've learned more than I ever wanted to know about television |
| 17:30 | <skitzo> | hah |
| 17:30 | <Chutt> | same here :p |
| 17:30 | <skitzo> | hmm |
| 17:30 | <skitzo> | [root@hewey1 procps-3.0.5][root@hewey1 procps-3.0.5]# time ps |
| 17:30 | <skitzo> | .. |
| 17:30 | <skitzo> | real 0m4.836s |
| 17:30 | <skitzo> | user 0m0.090s |
| 17:30 | <skitzo> | sys 0m4.750s |
| 17:30 | <skitzo> | [root@hewey1 procps-3.0.5][root@hewey1 procps-3.0.5]# time ps/ps |
| 17:30 | <skitzo> | .. |
| 17:30 | <skitzo> | real 0m0.043s |
| 17:30 | <skitzo> | user 0m0.000s |
| 17:31 | <skitzo> | sys 0m0.040s |
| 17:31 | <skitzo> | BIT of an improvement?! |
| 17:31 | <mdz> | skitzo: that's what sold me |
| 17:32 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 17:32 | * skitzo | wonders what the change was |
| 17:32 | <mdz> | I looked at it a while ago, because I wondered why it wasn't any faster when I used ps ax vs. ps aux |
| 17:32 | <skitzo> | 'make top go faster' |
| 17:32 | <skitzo> | heh |
| 17:32 | <mdz> | and found that it was collecting all of the information whether it was using it or not |
| 17:33 | <skitzo> | yeah |
| 17:33 | <Chutt> | but read the dumbass's space/tab rant for why not to use things =) |
| 17:33 | <skitzo> | intelligent, eh |
| 17:33 | <mdz> | but even ps aux is much faster |
| 17:33 | <skitzo> | yup |
| 17:33 | <skitzo> | top on this machine has always been fun. |
| 17:33 | <skitzo>< |
