| 00:01 | <Tuscany0> | hey, have you guys ever seen the error "strange error flushing buffer .." from mythtv? |
| 00:01 | <Chutt> | yeah, it's just lame being, well, lame |
| 00:01 | <Chutt> | ignore it |
| 00:02 | <nyquiljer> | chutt: its really cool to see this stuff for myself for the first time, seeing my own pixmap fade-sliding off the screen. priceless :) |
| 00:02 | <Tuscany0> | ok, i hate to keep buggin you chutt but I'm at i've spent more time than i care to admit trying to get this to work. |
| 00:02 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 00:03 | <Tuscany0> | i can get video from the composite input of my ati tv wonder ve through xawtv just fine. when i fire up mythtv i get a partial green screen with some scrambled video... |
| 00:03 | <Chutt> | did you switch mythtv to your composite input? |
| 00:03 | <Tuscany0> | audio is coming throuhg just fine though... |
| 00:03 | <mdz> | hmm...I have an allrecord for a particular show which comes on twice in a row, back to back. The past few times it has only recorded one of them |
| 00:04 | <Chutt> | you're running 0.5 still? |
| 00:04 | <Chutt> | and, do they have different subtitle/descriptions? |
| 00:04 | <mdz> | the first one |
| 00:05 | <mdz> | this is with CVS approximately equal to 0.6 |
| 00:05 | <mdz> | no, they have the same subtitle/description...is it thinking it's a duplicate? |
| 00:05 | <Chutt> | yup |
| 00:05 | <mdz> | hmm |
| 00:06 | <mdz> | the listing doesn't have a subtitle at all |
| 00:06 | <mdz> | and the description is just a description of the series itself |
| 00:06 | <Chutt> | nyquiljer, few more minutes, my source tree isn't in a compileable state |
| 00:06 | <Chutt> | mdz, hrm, can you pull the two entries in the program table out for me? |
| 00:06 | <mdz> | is there an easier way to avoid this problem than to filter the listings? |
| 00:06 | <mdz> | Chutt: sure |
| 00:07 | <Chutt> | well, how approximately equal to 0.6? |
| 00:07 | <Chutt> | like, few days before? |
| 00:07 | <mdz> | Chutt: not sure. I've updated my tree since then. |
| 00:07 | <mdz> | my recording is finished, so I'm going to upgrade to current CVS now |
| 00:07 | <nyquiljer> | chutt: no rush at all, I'm having fun |
| 00:08 | <Chutt> | ok |
| 00:09 | <mdz> | av@lime:~$ mythfrontend |
| 00:09 | <mdz> | Segmentation fault |
| 00:09 | <mdz> | time to build with debugging symbols now |
| 00:09 | <Chutt> | do a make clean |
| 00:09 | <mdz> | already did |
| 00:10 | <Chutt> | after updating? |
| 00:10 | <mdz> | I believe so...it was an hour or so ago |
| 00:12 | <Chutt> | normally, a crash on startup means stale dependencies |
| 00:12 | <mdz> | I just did a full clean build with debug |
| 00:12 | <mdz> | and it is exhibiting the same behaviour |
| 00:13 | <Chutt> | bt? |
| 00:13 | <mdz> | useless |
| 00:13 | <mdz> | (gdb) bt |
| 00:13 | <mdz> | #0 0x40004948 in ?? () |
| 00:13 | <mdz> | #1 0x40005b61 in ?? () |
| 00:13 | <mdz> | #2 0x40008914 in ?? () |
| 00:13 | <mdz> | #3 0x40009a0b in ?? () |
| 00:13 | <mdz> | #4 0x40008c4b in ?? () |
| 00:13 | <mdz> | #5 0x4000234a in ?? () |
| 00:13 | <mdz> | #6 0x4000bc29 in ?? () |
| 00:13 | <Chutt> | err |
| 00:13 | <mdz> | #7 0x4000175a in ?? () |
| 00:13 | <mdz> | #8 0x400016cb in ?? () |
| 00:14 | <Chutt> | wouldn't happen to have multiple libmyth's? |
| 00:14 | <mdz> | I was just looking into that |
| 00:15 | <mdz> | coincidentally, nightly mythfilldatabase is running right now |
| 00:15 | <mdz> | so I'm thinking maybe NFS is being pissy about replacing the lib |
| 00:15 | <Chutt> | ah |
| 00:15 | <Chutt> | could be |
| 00:15 | <mdz> | yeah...this works |
| 00:15 | <mdz> | av@lime:/home/mdz/mizar/mythtv/mythtv$ LD_LIBRARY_PATH=`pwd`/libs/libmyth !pro |
| 00:15 | <mdz> | LD_LIBRARY_PATH=`pwd`/libs/libmyth programs/mythepg/mythepg |
| 00:15 | <mdz> | 0 8 174 |
| 00:15 | <mdz> | while it doesn't with the installed libmyth |
| 00:15 | <mdz> | it looks fine, though...timestamp is right and all |
| 00:16 | <mdz> | hey, it works now |
| 00:16 | <mdz> | oh, mythfilldatabase finished |
| 00:16 | <mdz> | yeah, that was probably it |
| 00:16 | <mdz> | the crash I had before is gone |
| 00:16 | <mdz> | thanks |
| 00:16 | <Chutt> | cool |
| 00:17 | <mdz> | for those DB records...is output from the mysql command-line client ok? |
| 00:17 | <mdz> | or do you want a dump? |
| 00:17 | <Chutt> | yup, that's what i was expecting |
| 00:18 | <mdz> | on its way via email |
| 00:18 | <Chutt> | thanks |
| 00:18 | <mdz> | I have to get to bed, thanks for looking at it |
| 00:18 | <Chutt> | no prob |
| 00:28 | <Tuscany0> | yep, i reran setup to verify i'm using the composite input |
| 00:28 | <Tuscany0> | here's the output from xawtv: |
| 00:28 | <Chutt> | no |
| 00:28 | <Tuscany0> | This is xawtv-3.76, running on Linux/i686 (2.4.19-16mdk) |
| 00:28 | <Tuscany0> | looking for available devices |
| 00:28 | <Tuscany0> | port 85-85 [ -xvport 85 ] |
| 00:28 | <Tuscany0> | type : Xvideo, video overlay |
| 00:28 | <Tuscany0> | name : video4linux |
| 00:28 | <Tuscany0> | |
| 00:28 | <Tuscany0> | port 86-86 |
| 00:28 | <Tuscany0> | type : Xvideo, image scaler |
| 00:28 | <Tuscany0> | name : NV10 Video Overlay |
| 00:28 | <Tuscany0> | |
| 00:28 | <Tuscany0> | port 87-118 |
| 00:28 | <Tuscany0> | type : Xvideo, image scaler |
| 00:28 | <Tuscany0> | name : NV05 Video Blitter |
| 00:28 | <Tuscany0> | |
| 00:28 | <Chutt> | mythtv always starts up with the tuner input. |
| 00:28 | <Tuscany0> | type : v4l |
| 00:28 | <Tuscany0> | name : BT878(ATI TV-Wonder VE) |
| 00:28 | <Tuscany0> | flags: overlay capture tuner |
| 00:29 | <Chutt> | if it were using the wrong xv port, you wouldn't be getting anything at all |
| 00:29 | <Tuscany0> | when i startup mythtv here's the output: Probed: Television |
| 00:29 | <Tuscany0> | Probed: Composite1 |
| 00:29 | <Tuscany0> | audio volume set to '32768' |
| 00:29 | <Tuscany0> | strange error flushing buffer ... |
| 00:29 | <Tuscany0> | strange error flushing buffer ... |
| 00:29 | <Tuscany0> | Changing from None to WatchingLiveTV |
| 00:29 | <Tuscany0> | Using XV port 86 |
| 00:29 | <Tuscany0> | Changing from WatchingLiveTV to None |
| 00:29 | <Tuscany0> | Changing from None to None |
| 00:30 | <Chutt> | hit 'c' when running it. |
| 00:30 | <Tuscany0> | XV is using port 86...is that correct? shouldn't it be 85, the v4l port? |
| 00:30 | <Tuscany0> | holy shit! |
| 00:30 | <Tuscany0> | c did it |
| 00:30 | <Chutt> | no shit |
| 00:31 | <Tuscany0> | how can I eliminate the kde panel at the bottom? |
| 00:31 | <Chutt> | tell it to autohide |
| 00:31 | <Tuscany0> | ahh... |
| 00:33 | <Chutt> | nyquiljer, one moment, and i'll have things fixed in CVS and a tarball of your theme to send back |
| 00:33 | <nyquiljer> | Chutt: this isnt that important, but mythtv segfaults on pause if you have the font size set anywhere between 14 and 10. 14 works and 10 works but nothing in between. |
| 00:33 | <nyquiljer> | chutt: coolies |
| 00:34 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 00:34 | <Chutt> | weird |
| 00:35 | <Chutt> | which font? |
| 00:35 | <Chutt> | seeksliderfontsize? |
| 00:35 | <nyquiljer> | yeh |
| 00:35 | <Chutt> | doesn't segfault here, but it looks horrible |
| 00:39 | <Chutt> | http://www.mythtv.org/mc/testosd.tar.gz |
| 00:39 | <Chutt> | it works with current cvs |
| 00:40 | <Chutt> | you should be able to specify smaller heights now |
| 00:40 | <Chutt> | for the font boxes |
| 00:40 | <nyquiljer> | excellent |
| 00:40 | <Chutt> | also, it's x,y,w,h |
| 00:40 | <Chutt> | not ending x and ending y |
| 00:40 | <nyquiljer> | oh. |
| 00:40 | <nyquiljer> | is that new? |
| 00:40 | <Chutt> | i dunno if i made that clear or not |
| 00:40 | <nyquiljer> | oh |
| 00:40 | <Chutt> | no, been that way =) |
| 00:40 | <nyquiljer> | hehe, THATS my problem |
| 00:40 | <Chutt> | normally doesn't matter |
| 00:41 | <Chutt> | the title box isn't quite large enough for 'The Tonight Show with Jay Leno' =) |
| 00:42 | <Chutt> | i'll see if i can fix that font size bug |
| 00:42 | <nyquiljer> | sure it is, just gotta lower the font size considerably :) |
| 00:42 | <nyquiljer> | yeh I'll have to make it longer |
| 00:42 | <Chutt> | and i just noticed that the info screen doesn't go away when it's paused |
| 00:42 | <nyquiljer> | yeh, I noticed that too |
| 00:43 | <nyquiljer> | actually I had some really wierd beahvior |
| 00:43 | <nyquiljer> | I'm not sure what I did |
| 00:43 | <nyquiljer> | but I got a black 'ghost' image of the info box |
| 00:43 | <nyquiljer> | looked like monitor burn in |
| 00:43 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 00:45 | <Chutt> | ah |
| 00:45 | <Chutt> | i need two fade counters |
| 00:46 | <nyquiljer> | make[2]: *** No rule to make target `error_resilience.c', needed by `error_resilience.o'. Stop. |
| 00:46 | <Chutt> | oh, oops |
| 00:46 | <Chutt> | one sec |
| 00:46 | <nyquiljer> | :) |
| 00:47 | <Chutt> | well, more than one sec |
| 00:47 | <Chutt> | since i was in the middle of fixing the info screen staying up |
| 00:48 | <Chutt> | oh wait, i can just do it that way |
| 00:48 | <Chutt> | update your tree, the file's there now |
| 00:51 | <nyquiljer> | it segfaults now |
| 00:51 | <nyquiljer> | without drawing anything |
| 00:51 | <nyquiljer> | right waway |
| 00:51 | <Chutt> | you'll have to do a make clean |
| 00:51 | <nyquiljer> | oh |
| 00:53 | <nyquiljer> | so I'm hoping that since its super flexible now, what with all the moveable theme elements, that some people will make some really cool stuff |
| 00:53 | <Chutt> | doubtful |
| 00:53 | <nyquiljer> | I guess its up to me then |
| 00:53 | <Chutt> | =) |
| 00:53 | <Chutt> | i dunno |
| 00:53 | <Chutt> | i'm not getting innundated with menu themes |
| 00:54 | <nyquiljer> | I guess the themes craze has been over for a few years |
| 00:55 | <nyquiljer> | sadly we'll probably not see mythtv.themes.org, but I can dream |
| 00:55 | <Chutt> | is themes.org still running? |
| 00:56 | <nyquiljer> | no. theve moved alot of it to freshmeat |
| 00:56 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 00:56 | <nyquiljer> | the domain still works, just redirects |
| 00:56 | <Chutt> | ah |
| 00:56 | <nyquiljer> | and they do have a fair amount of stuff |
| 00:56 | <nyquiljer> | its just that no one cares anymore |
| 00:57 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 00:57 | <nyquiljer> | once windows could do it, they needed to focus on some other leet aspect of linux |
| 00:57 | <Chutt> | i've been using stock kde, well, with the liquid theme, for quite a long time now |
| 00:58 | <Chutt> | the info dialog now correctly fades away when its paused |
| 00:59 | <Chutt> | you'll have to do a make clean next time you update cvs =) |
| 01:00 | <nyquiljer> | okey dokey. thanks again for making changes so quick. |
| 01:00 | <Chutt> | not doing anything else right now, so =) |
| 01:01 | <Chutt> | and i get graphics out of it |
| 01:01 | <nyquiljer> | true true. :) |
| 01:01 | <nyquiljer> | well, I gotta go to bed. talk to you later |
| 01:01 | <Chutt> | ok |
| 01:01 | <Chutt> | g'nite |
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| 03:32 | <blinx> | good morning |
| 03:37 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 03:37 | <Chutt> | crazy people on the wrong side of the world |
| 03:37 | <Chutt> | i'm heading off to bed in a few =) |
| 03:37 | <blinx> | hehe :) |
| 03:37 | <blinx> | btw. I finally got mythtv working right with danish tv listings and all :) |
| 03:37 | <Chutt> | cool |
| 03:38 | <blinx> | though tv_grab_sn --output, still fails with an error for me, so I have to redirect output to a file manually and change mythfilldatabase a bit. |
| 03:39 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 03:39 | <blinx> | would have been a lot easier if I had any perl clues :) |
| 03:39 | <Chutt> | did you say something about a problem with the themed program guide in cvs the other day? |
| 03:39 | <blinx> | yes, - I have no background colors in the program guide |
| 03:40 | <blinx> | I suspect it's ignoring qtlook.txt |
| 03:40 | <Chutt> | do you have the themeqt setting set in theme.txt? |
| 03:40 | <blinx> | I'm running kde 3.0.4 with liquid |
| 03:40 | <Chutt> | the program guide is hand drawn, so the qt theme doesn't affect it |
| 03:40 | <blinx> | yes I belive so - havn't touched it atleast. |
| 03:40 | <blinx> | I accidently killed sshd at my box at home.. so I can't check.. |
| 03:41 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 03:41 | <blinx> | I think it was set to 1 |
| 03:41 | <Chutt> | well, if you had a 0.6 install, and copied the theme.txt to your ~/.mythtv/ dir |
| 03:41 | <Chutt> | it'd be set to 0 |
| 03:41 | <Chutt> | only thing i can think of that'd cause it to ignore the setting |
| 03:41 | <blinx> | nope.. I just rm the share/mythtv dir and make install |
| 03:42 | <blinx> | nothing copied to the users folder. |
| 03:42 | <Chutt> | weird |
| 03:42 | <blinx> | I've never seen those different colors though, have they been in earlier releases too? |
| 03:42 | <blinx> | .5 e.g? |
| 03:43 | <Chutt> | you could change the category colors and stuff in 0.6 |
| 03:43 | <blinx> | ok |
| 03:43 | <Chutt> | and set background/foreground colors |
| 03:43 | <blinx> | well.. I hope my gf gets up soon so I can make her start sshd again - I'll play a bit with it. |
| 03:43 | <Chutt> | all i did in cvs was make it all transparent and blend into the theme's background pixmap |
| 03:44 | <blinx> | ok |
| 03:44 | <Chutt> | it defaulted to not doing any colors in the 0.6 release, though |
| 03:44 | <Chutt> | but, anyway |
| 03:44 | <Chutt> | i'm off to bed, it's almost 4 am =) |
| 03:44 | <blinx> | well maybe I do have it set to 0 - sounds likely :) |
| 03:45 | <blinx> | sleep well :) |
| 03:45 | <blinx> | it's 09:29 here - been up for 3 hours now :) |
| 03:45 | <blinx> | oh.. 09:45 even |
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| 05:49 | <Soopaman> | Chutt, are you awake still? |
| 06:10 | <blinx> | I think he went to bed a few hours ago.. |
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| 09:54 | <Conaz> | Hey Universe, how goes the setup battle? |
| 09:54 | <Universe> | Got it working |
| 09:54 | <Conaz> | Very cool. |
| 09:54 | <Universe> | yep... |
| 09:54 | <Universe> | going AFK... I have to get a few things done |
| 09:54 | <Conaz> | I still need to go out and get a S-Video to RCA adapter |
| 09:54 | -!- | Universe is now known as Universe-AFK |
| 09:55 | <Universe-AFK> | ahh |
| 09:55 | <Conaz> | Have fun |
| 10:04 | <blinx> | I got mine hooked up via some split cable from the nvidia that ends in a svideo female connector - then a 10m cable ending in a scart.. |
| 10:04 | <blinx> | works quite nicely - havn't noticed any noise |
| 10:05 | <Conaz> | It looks like I'll either have to order an svideo to rca adapter or trek down to an audio king to get one, best buy and the like don't seem to carry any |
| 10:05 | <Conaz> | Would be much easier if my TV actually had an svideo in :) |
| 10:09 | <blinx> | ah.. mine does have that :) |
| 10:49 | <Universe-AFK> | what TV turner are you guys using? |
| 10:49 | <Conaz> | WinTV-GO model 190 |
| 10:56 | <Universe-AFK> | I wondering if anyone has gotten this working with a Vodoo 3500 or a ATI all in wonder pro |
| 10:56 | -!- | Universe-AFK is now known as Universe |
| 10:56 | <mdz__> | morning, folks |
| 10:56 | -!- | You are now known as mdz_ |
| 10:56 | <Universe> | morning |
| 10:59 | <blinx> | Pinnacle PCTV Rave |
| 11:00 | <blinx> | and nvidia gf 4 mx 440 |
| 11:01 | <Conaz> | A friend has an older all-in-wonder that isn't bttv supported |
| 11:01 | <Universe> | yeah.. but they have drivers for it that work with v4l |
| 11:02 | <blinx> | ah.. time to go home from work.. |
| 11:02 | <blinx> | nice little 2h train ride ahead.. :( |
| 11:02 | <Universe> | doh |
| 11:03 | <Conaz> | yeouch |
| 11:03 | <Conaz> | Well, have a good nap then |
| 11:03 | <blinx> | I will :) |
| 11:03 | <blinx> | c'ya |
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| 13:03 | <Universe> | another fun day at work |
| 13:03 | <Conaz> | Isn't it always? |
| 13:04 | <Universe> | Well... Considering I have time to talk on IRC, browse the net, and read books... I guess it isn't that bad. |
| 13:05 | <Universe> | oh and I can do all my compile at home from here... |
| 13:05 | <Universe> | compiling |
| 13:06 | <Universe> | Conaz... I was able to talk my fiance through installing SSH last night over the phone!.. |
| 13:06 | <Conaz> | I just ignore my daily work to do that stuff :) |
| 13:07 | <Universe> | heh |
| 13:07 | <Conaz> | That was quite a feat! |
| 13:07 | <Universe> | considering that she is a biology major and knows nothing about a computer... I would have to agree. |
| 13:12 | <Chutt> | apt-get install ssh |
| 13:12 | <Chutt> | :p |
| 13:13 | <Universe> | well |
| 13:13 | <Universe> | close |
| 13:13 | <Conaz> | I suspect just getting past "turn on the monitor, type: root {enter}, type my3l33tpwp4ir {enter}" might actually be the hard part :) |
| 13:13 | <Universe> | emerge openssh |
| 13:14 | <Universe> | Conaz... how do you know my password! |
| 13:14 | * Universe | runs and changes it |
| 13:14 | <Conaz> | hehee |
| 13:16 | <Universe> | ok.. so MythTV works great... The only thing I can complain about is the fact that my TV tuner card's audio sucks... there is this high pitch noise it makes. |
| 13:16 | <Universe> | and for some reason... the recorded audio from it makes it louder |
| 13:16 | <Conaz> | I had that problem a bit as well, turned out to be my i810 sound card |
| 13:17 | <Universe> | hmm... |
| 13:17 | <Universe> | I have a SB Live vaule |
| 13:17 | <Conaz> | Also I found that with my new sound card, turning down the "line 1" volume in the mixer help as well |
| 13:17 | <Conaz> | s/help/helped |
| 13:18 | <Universe> | I will have to try that |
| 13:19 | <Universe> | I want to test to see if its the TV Tuner... Just hook speakers up to the line out on it. |
| 13:20 | <Conaz> | My i810 built on sound card only had the problem on recording, which was strange |
| 13:21 | <Conaz> | But $30 later and the problem was gone |
| 13:21 | <Universe> | lol.. |
| 13:21 | <Universe> | cheapo soundcard works fine, aye? |
| 13:22 | <Conaz> | The sad part about MythTV is that I'm giving up my 1gig workstation and going back to my 500mhz system... /boggle |
| 13:22 | <Conaz> | Seemed to |
| 13:22 | <Universe> | if you aren't into gaming... I dont see why not. |
| 13:23 | <Conaz> | True, just gave up EQ recently, which was the driving force behind the gathering of my higher end equipment |
| 13:24 | <Universe> | ouch... EQ is evil... |
| 13:24 | <Conaz> | Yes, yet it was |
| 13:24 | <Universe> | I wasted almost a year on that game.. |
| 13:24 | <Conaz> | I hear ya |
| 13:24 | <Universe> | my friend is trying to talk me into playing shadowbane still |
| 13:25 | <Conaz> | I'm planning on getting back into contributing to some sourceforge projects |
| 13:25 | <Conaz> | Will be a much better use of my time, and likely much more rewarding than EQ :) |
| 13:25 | <Universe> | and I want to get into programming period... So... |
| 13:25 | <Universe> | agreed |
| 13:27 | <Conaz> | I've been trying to find a project that is working on a solution for groupware, but no luck so far. I see that SuSe is releasing a groupware server next month, but $$ rather than free |
| 13:27 | <Universe> | ahh.. |
| 13:27 | <Conaz> | I feel the need to wish dot-com death upon SuSe these days |
| 13:40 | <Universe> | heh |
| 13:46 | <Universe> | "PCWorld reports that Microsoft comissioned Ready-to-Run Software, a small software vendor, to port the Passport server software to Solaris, Red Hat Linux, AIX, and HPUX. Oh, joy." |
| 13:46 | <Universe> | NO! |
| 13:49 | <Conaz> | I saw that passport was going to be ported, weee. |
| 13:54 | <Universe> | and you know it isn't going to be opensource |
| 13:55 | <Conaz> | That is for sure |
| 13:56 | <Universe> | Do you program for a living, Conaz? |
| 13:59 | <Conaz> | Some, I do development and also admin work |
| 13:59 | <Universe> | ahh... |
| 13:59 | <Conaz> | I work for a medium sized manufacturing company, so I get to wear a few hats |
| 13:59 | <Universe> | nothing wrong with that |
| 13:59 | <Conaz> | I re-inherited the admin job during a layoff a few years back |
| 14:00 | <Universe> | exastly |
| 14:00 | <Universe> | if you were many hats, its harder to get rid of you |
| 14:01 | <Universe> | I wear one hat... I take calls... and I am getting sick of it. |
| 14:01 | <Universe> | I do technical phone support for one of the top 4 auditing firms |
| 14:05 | <Conaz> | Ah, yes, been there. I worked at IBM for awhile doing support for their marketing and services division. Was my first departure from the DOS/Win/Netware environment. Made me realize how easy it is to support a centralized processing system |
| 14:06 | <Universe> | I have been doing this for too long |
| 14:06 | <Universe> | as a contractor no less. |
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| 14:07 | <Conaz> | Hehee, when I worked for IBM it was as a suplementa employee, which was almost as bad a being a contractor |
| 14:08 | <Universe> | I have been doing this and not actually learning anything to get out... so I guess its my own fault. |
| 14:08 | <Conaz> | And your 1 year stint with EQ didn't help I'm sure |
| 14:08 | <Universe> | yep.. not at all |
| 14:13 | <Universe> | currently trying to teach myself C++ with the help of a friend. |
| 14:19 | <Conaz> | I really need to sharpen my C skills as well, been too long doing CGI scripts in Perl and whatnot |
| 14:20 | <Universe> | I need to have C skills, period... heh... I am getting there... I can understand Chutt's code at least.. may not understand what everything does... but its readable. |
| 14:21 | <Chutt> | my code is more or less readable depending on the time of day i write it =) |
| 14:21 | <Universe> | heh.. |
| 14:22 | <Universe> | Chutt... Do you have a script setup to ding everything someone says your name? heh.. |
| 14:22 | <Chutt> | naw |
| 14:22 | <Conaz> | It is good to hear that I'm not the only one who's code changes style based on the time it's being written |
| 14:23 | <Chutt> | well |
| 14:23 | <Chutt> | it's just that i do a lot of mythtv stuff at like 3-4 am =) |
| 14:23 | <Conaz> | I've been waiting for the RFC to become final on the calendar/schedule protocol, I'm hoping that will spark some interest in getting a calendar/schedule server written for the Evolution mail client |
| 14:31 | <mdz_> | er...doesn't Evolution support LDAP calendaring? |
| 14:31 | <mdz_> | LDAP and the necessary schema for calendaring are already standardized |
| 14:31 | <Conaz> | So you can store your calendar on the LDAP server? |
| 14:32 | <Conaz> | Problem is that I'm sure that there is no feature for free-busy and "resource" calendars which are controlled server side |
| 14:33 | <Universe> | this sounds too much like Notes Calendar.. Conaz... Ack! |
| 14:33 | <Conaz> | Um, Lotus products blow :) |
| 14:33 | <Conaz> | But, probably similar |
| 14:33 | <Universe> | I hate notes but this could be only because I support it. |
| 14:33 | <Universe> | ahh.. but you do agree |
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| 14:34 | <Conaz> | In business resource scheduling is an important feature of the calendar |
| 14:34 | <Conaz> | So until then, it's either Notes or Exchange, with no open-source solution |
| 14:35 | <Universe> | yep |
| 14:35 | <Tuscany> | hey, what's the recommend sound driver for use with myth? alsa or commerical oss? |
| 14:35 | <Chutt> | alsa |
| 14:35 | <Conaz> | I know that Chutt uses alsa, but that is because the standard driver for his card doesn't support duplex |
| 14:35 | <Conaz> | :) |
| 14:36 | <Chutt> | no, the standard driver for my card supports full duplex |
| 14:36 | <Tuscany> | ahh...I have a multichannel sound card, the m-audio 2496. I'm having some trouble configuring it for alsa under myth. i thought only will accept oss-style device paths? |
| 14:36 | <Conaz> | Strange, the driver for my 810 didn't |
| 14:36 | <Conaz> | But different distribution, perhap I had an old driver |
| 14:37 | <Chutt> | alsa has oss emulation |
| 14:37 | <Chutt> | use that. |
| 14:37 | <Tuscany> | ok. |
| 14:40 | <Universe> | . /dev/dsp is oss or alsa device path? |
| 14:40 | <Chutt> | oss |
| 14:41 | <Universe> | what is the device path for alsa? |
| 14:41 | <Chutt> | it doesn't |
| 14:42 | <Universe> | ok... thats what I thought. So if you load the alsa driver, it emulates the /dev/dsp |
| 14:43 | <Chutt> | if you load the oss emulation drivers, yes. |
| 14:55 | <Tuscany> | chutt, where do you define the resolution for the frontend and other gui screens? |
| 14:56 | <Chutt> | theme.txt |
| 14:56 | <Tuscany> | duh! thx |
| 14:56 | <Tuscany> | i should have known that :) |
| 15:30 | <Universe> | Chutt... You made those changes for overtime recording quick |
| 15:30 | <Universe> | your wife must have been really made. |
| 15:30 | <Universe> | err mad |
| 15:31 | <Chutt> | quick? |
| 15:31 | <Chutt> | it was an easy change |
| 15:31 | <Universe> | ahh |
| 15:38 | <Universe> | you change the setting in settings.txt? |
| 15:39 | <Universe> | so this will effect everything that is recorded? |
| 15:39 | <Chutt> | yup |
| 15:40 | <Universe> | what happens when you have another show right after another you are recording? |
| 15:40 | <Universe> | it becomes a conflict? |
| 15:40 | <Chutt> | it doesn't record extra |
| 15:40 | <Chutt> | i said that in the email. |
| 15:41 | <Universe> | ahh |
| 15:41 | <Conaz> | Well, time to bail home, see you all later |
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| 15:41 | <Universe> | later |
| 15:41 | <Universe> | sorry... I was only looking at the commits email |
| 17:17 | <blinx> | ah.. lots of simpsons episodes waiting for me :) |
| 17:18 | <Universe> | heh |
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| 17:24 | <blinx> | uhm.. while watching tv.. I can't change channel with the number keys |
| 17:24 | <blinx> | ofcouse my channels are called stuff like SE19 and S11 |
| 17:25 | <blinx> | and not just numeric.. |
| 17:25 | <Tuscany> | are you located in the us? |
| 17:25 | <blinx> | would be nice if it would just change to the right channel, from the order they appear in the db. |
| 17:25 | <blinx> | Tuscany: nope |
| 17:26 | <Chutt> | blinx, you can make it do that. |
| 17:26 | <Chutt> | there's a setting for that |
| 17:26 | <blinx> | chutt, oh.. I thought it just changed what was shown on the osd.. |
| 17:26 | <blinx> | I must read more carefully :) |
| 17:26 | <Chutt> | the ChannelOrdering in settings.txt |
| 17:27 | <Chutt> | if you change that to chanid, it'll go in the order that's in the database |
| 17:27 | <blinx> | chutt, btw.. any thought about having mythtv play clips it didn't record itself? like divx? |
| 17:28 | <Chutt> | well |
| 17:28 | <Chutt> | that's something i don't need |
| 17:28 | <Chutt> | it wouldn't be difficult, or anything |
| 17:28 | <Chutt> | especially if all it did was execute another video player |
| 17:28 | <blinx> | no I assume it would be quite easy if you call mplayer or such |
| 17:28 | <Chutt> | same for playing dvds |
| 17:28 | <blinx> | ye |
| 17:29 | <Chutt> | the gui would be simple, too |
| 17:29 | <Chutt> | just have to build a directory listing of playable files |
| 17:29 | <Chutt> | and some simple disc type detection |
| 17:29 | <Chutt> | to distinguish between like vcds and dvds |
| 17:29 | <blinx> | ye |
| 17:29 | <Chutt> | but, i don't want to write it =) |
| 17:29 | <blinx> | I think I'll give it a try. |
| 17:30 | <Universe> | I would if I knew enough |
| 17:30 | <Chutt> | i'd definately accept a patch that implements it all, though |
| 17:30 | <Universe> | keyword 'all'? heh |
| 17:30 | <Chutt> | 'long as it works |
| 17:30 | <Chutt> | and doesn't break other stuff |
| 17:31 | <blinx> | right :) |
| 17:31 | <blinx> | now.. I better watch some tv.. |
| 17:31 | <blinx> | c'ya |
| 17:31 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 17:31 | <Chutt> | have fun :p |
| 17:31 | <Universe> | Chutt... I do like your MythTV tho... |
| 17:31 | <Universe> | damn good job |
| 17:32 | <Chutt> | thanks |
| 17:33 | <vektor> | yeah you rock man |
| 17:34 | <Chutt> | heh, you don't even use it :p |
| 17:35 | <Universe> | but anything that replaces something that you have to pay for is good.. |
| 17:35 | <Universe> | Tivo and month free for programming guide stinks |
| 17:35 | <Universe> | fee |
| 17:36 | <vektor> | Chutt: yeah but your code is very nice. |
| 17:36 | <vektor> | Chutt: btw, you should check out videotools.[h,c] in tvtime. maybe we can share this. |
| 17:37 | <Chutt> | those all your conversion routines? |
| 17:39 | <vektor> | kinda |
| 17:39 | <vektor> | some are busted |
| 17:39 | <vektor> | but basically it's a collection of useful scanline routines |
| 17:39 | <vektor> | and some full-frame routines. |
| 17:40 | <vektor> | i'm kinda doing a library of graphics routines, mostly scanline routines, for use across my projcets. |
| 17:40 | <vektor> | but i'm still trying to get down a consistent style etc. |
| 17:40 | <Chutt> | ah |
| 17:40 | <vektor> | the idea is that you have all these small scanline routines which we can easily do mmx versions of, etc. |
| 17:40 | <Chutt> | right |
| 17:41 | <vektor> | like, it's much easier to mmx'ify the scanline version than a full frame version |
| 17:41 | <vektor> | where you have to deal with more variables etc |
| 17:41 | <Chutt> | right |
| 17:41 | <vektor> | plus, scanline routines are useful since you can make larger, more complicated functions and maintain cache coherency etc. |
| 17:41 | <Chutt> | and it's always easy to just wrap a scanline version to do full frame |
| 17:41 | <vektor> | exactly. |
| 17:41 | <vektor> | also, i try really hard to make sure i use standard C types etc. |
| 17:41 | <vektor> | so you could take any one of those routines and just plug it into your app without thinking. |
| 17:42 | <vektor> | so, anyway, that's the idea. :) |
| 17:42 | <Chutt> | yeah, i'll check it out |
| 17:42 | <vektor> | cool! |
| 17:42 | <vektor> | btw |
| 17:42 | <vektor> | i found a cool colourbar generation routine |
| 17:42 | <vektor> | from some guy from mjpegtools |
| 17:43 | <vektor> | so now i can generate colourbars to YUY2. |
| 17:43 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 17:43 | <vektor> | you may find that useful. |
| 17:43 | <Chutt> | in cvs? |
| 17:43 | <vektor> | it's in videotools.c now |
| 17:43 | <vektor> | and in the header |
| 17:43 | <Chutt> | hooked up to anything? |
| 17:43 | <vektor> | if you hit F11 in tvtime it will show colourbars |
| 17:43 | <vektor> | it would be nice to have in mythtv so people can calibrate their tv output conversion or whatever if they're using an external converter |
| 17:44 | <vektor> | to make sure nothing is getting fucked up |
| 17:44 | <vektor> | dunno |
| 17:44 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 17:44 | <vektor> | but you probably run in 4:2:0 mode |
| 17:44 | <Chutt> | i do |
| 17:44 | <vektor> | so i can write a 4:2:0 version for you if you like |
| 17:44 | <vektor> | anyway, doing 4:4:4->4:2:2 i don't do correctly yet, so it's not like mine is perfect ;-) |
| 17:44 | <Chutt> | what, no brightness bars in the lower right? =) |
| 17:45 | <vektor> | huh? |
| 17:45 | <vektor> | i do output superblack correctly |
| 17:45 | <Chutt> | there's usually a little brightness calibration in the lower right of that test pattern |
| 17:45 | <nyquiljer> | (someone want to do a quick explanation of what 4:2:0 and 4:4:4 stuff is?) |
| 17:45 | <Chutt> | i was just kidding, anyway =) |
| 17:45 | <vektor> | nyquiljer: sure |
| 17:46 | <vektor> | nyquiljer: it's a (crappy) standard for describing the bandwidth of each channel |
| 17:46 | <Chutt> | nyquiljer, btw, i really like the new osd graphics =) |
| 17:46 | <vektor> | nyquiljer: basically, the eye is less sensitive to changes in colour than changes in brightness |
| 17:46 | <nyquiljer> | Chutt: thanks :) |
| 17:46 | <vektor> | nyquiljer: so in video systems, we use a colourspace which attempts to take advantage of that |
| 17:47 | <Chutt> | they're all low-key, and look simple, until you see the drop shadow =) |
| 17:47 | <vektor> | nyquiljer: follow me so far? |
| 17:47 | <nyquiljer> | vektor: yeh |
| 17:48 | <vektor> | well i can make this long or short |
| 17:48 | <vektor> | hmm |
| 17:48 | <vektor> | ok, do you know what gamma correction is? |
| 17:48 | <nyquiljer> | how bout short |
| 17:48 | <vektor> | that would be the long description, starting there. |
| 17:48 | <vektor> | yeah screw this. |
| 17:48 | <vektor> | ok |
| 17:48 | <vektor> | we have images in Y'CbCr format |
| 17:48 | <nyquiljer> | what do the numbers stand for? |
| 17:48 | <vektor> | well that's a proble |
| 17:48 | <vektor> | m |
| 17:48 | <vektor> | it's a bit weird. |
| 17:48 | <vektor> | ok |
| 17:49 | <vektor> | so we have three channels right? Y', Cb and Cr. |
| 17:49 | <vektor> | in 4:4:4, every pixel has one sample of each |
| 17:49 | <nyquiljer> | ok |
| 17:49 | <vektor> | in 4:2:2, for every two pixels, you get two Y' samples, but only one Cb sample and one Cr sample. |
| 17:49 | <vektor> | There are different 4:2:2 formats though which tell you where the Cb and Cr samples are located. |
| 17:50 | <vektor> | in 4:2:0, for every 2x2 grid of Y' samples, we only get one Cb sample and one Cr sample. |
| 17:50 | <vektor> | Again, there are different standards though of where the Cb and Cr samples are to be taken at. |
| 17:50 | <Chutt> | people that download every version of mythtv that's on the website make me wonder |
| 17:50 | <vektor> | In 4:1:1, we have four Y' samples on a scanline, and only one Cb and one Cr sample for that whole row of four pixels. |
| 17:50 | <nyquiljer> | chutt: all at once? |
| 17:50 | <vektor> | nyquiljer: Follow? |
| 17:50 | <nyquiljer> | chutt: or in reverse order from newest to oldest? |
| 17:50 | <vektor> | The numbers come from the multiples of the sampling frequency used. |
| 17:50 | <Chutt> | reverse order |
| 17:51 | <nyquiljer> | Chutt: thats easy, newest wont compile, so they try older, rinse, repeat |
| 17:51 | <nyquiljer> | vektor: yeh, I understand vaguely now |
| 17:51 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 17:51 | <Chutt> | but all at once |
| 17:51 | <nyquiljer> | vektor: I dont know what y, cb and cr are tho :) |
| 17:51 | <Chutt> | in a row |
| 17:52 | <nyquiljer> | Chutt: oh. dunno then :) |
| 17:52 | <vektor> | nyquiljer: Yeah, well, Y' is the non-linear luminance, and Cb and Cr are chrominance samples. |
| 17:52 | <vektor> | (Cb and Cr are non-linear as well). |
| 17:52 | <vektor> | I have some explanation up here: http://vektor.theorem.ca/graphics/ycbcr/ |
| 17:52 | <vektor> | But a much much much better reference is Poynton's colour FAQ. http://www.inforamp.net/~poynton/ |
| 17:52 | <nyquiljer> | vektor: oh, cool. links to read are nice |
| 17:53 | <vektor> | I'm trying to write the definitive page on Y'CbCr usage in video software. |
| 17:53 | <Universe> | that doesn't sound like fun vektor... |
| 17:53 | <Universe> | heh |
| 17:53 | <vektor> | But since I'm just a student myself I do get things wrong. Poynton is my definitive reference. ;-) |
| 17:54 | <vektor> | Universe: Well, it kinda is. It's a pet peeve of mine that lots of apps get it wrong and end up with just-slightly-wrong colour. |
| 17:54 | <Universe> | ahh... |
| 17:55 | <vektor> | but I mean, my apps aren't perfect either so I don't have alot to complain about ;-) |
| 17:56 | <nyquiljer> | vektor: yes, but you KNOW they arent ;) |
| 17:56 | <nyquiljer> | ..and knowing is half the battle |
| 17:57 | <vektor> | true :) |
| 17:57 | <nyquiljer> | this is al waaay over my head |
| 17:57 | <vektor> | i guess that's my real goal: to increase awareness of what is difficult in video, and what things you can do to improve quality. |
| 17:58 | <vektor> | like, generating graphics specifically for video: what to do and what not to do. |
| 17:58 | <nyquiljer> | course I am also sick and imparied by TheraFlu at the moment, so that may be a contributing factor to my low head level at the moment |
| 17:58 | <vektor> | which colours are NTSC-invalid etc. |
| 17:58 | * vektor | back later |
| 18:03 | <nyquiljer> | Chutt: does having multiple pixmaps alphablending use more resources than one big pixmap? |
| 18:04 | <nyquiljer> | like if I wanted to split up all the boxes in the new osd into seperate images |
| 18:04 | <nyquiljer> | would that be more overhead than simply making a big image with all the info in it? |
| 18:05 | <Chutt> | well |
| 18:05 | <Chutt> | it'd be faster to blend |
| 18:05 | <Chutt> | but i'd have to write stuff for that |
| 18:06 | <nyquiljer> | yeh, I was just thinking hypothetically |
| 18:06 | * Universe | feels inferior to these real programmers. |
| 18:07 | <nyquiljer> | universe: I'm just making graphics :) |
| 18:07 | <Universe> | still talking about things I know nothing about. |
| 18:07 | <Universe> | I guess everyone had to start somewhere tho, right? |
| 18:08 | <Universe> | std::cout << "Hello world\n"; |
| 18:08 | <Universe> | heh |
| 18:10 | <nyquiljer> | chutt: are you doing the linewrap for the program description yourself, based ont he size of the rectangle? |
| 18:15 | <Chutt> | yup |
| 18:16 | <nyquiljer> | cool |
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| 22:53 | <mdz> | Chutt: I just experienced the end-of-recording crash; has anyone sent you a backtrace for that yet? |
| 23:00 | <Chutt> | nope |
| 23:01 | <Chutt> | if you can, i'd appreciate that |
| 23:10 | <Chutt> | also |
| 23:10 | <Chutt> | i can't figure out why those shows are getting pruned |
| 23:10 | <Chutt> | so if you could do a few source changes for me, i should be able to track it down |
| 23:11 | <mdz> | sure |
| 23:11 | <mdz> | send a patch if you like |
| 23:11 | <Chutt> | it's just two lines |
| 23:12 | <Chutt> | before and after line 380 of programs/mythfrontend/scheduler.cpp |
| 23:12 | <Chutt> | the PruneList() line |
| 23:12 | <Chutt> | just stick PrintList(); |
| 23:12 | <Chutt> | that'll print out the list of things to record |
| 23:12 | <Chutt> | both before, and after it does the automatic pruning |
| 23:13 | <Chutt> | oh, and insert the PrintList() at the end of that same function, too |
| 23:13 | <Chutt> | just in case |
| 23:13 | <Chutt> | then, next time you run mythfrontend |
| 23:13 | <Chutt> | it should print out the next week's worth of programming |
| 23:13 | <Chutt> | should be able to tell if it is indeed prunelist that's getting rid of the episodes |
| 23:15 | <Chutt> | anyone know if it's possible to record DD encoded audio with linux? |
| 23:15 | <Chutt> | people keep asking me questions and crap |
| 23:16 | <mdz> | when does the pruning happen? |
| 23:16 | <mdz> | they do both show up in the conflict resolution screen |
| 23:17 | <Chutt> | oh? hmm |
| 23:17 | <mdz> | I've changed it to record both timeslots for now, but I can easily change it back for testing |
| 23:18 | <Chutt> | i assume it was an allrecord before? |
| 23:18 | <mdz> | yes |
| 23:18 | <Chutt> | if you could change it back and make those source changes |
| 23:18 | <Chutt> | i'm not sure where it's being pruned, actually |
| 23:18 | <mdz> | ok, I am off to bed soon for tonight, but I will see about it when I get home tomorrow |
| 23:18 | <Chutt> | ok |
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