| 00:00 | <Chutt> | now, the writer has 8 places it can write until it catches up with the reader |
| 00:01 | <Chutt> | so, the slider, in that case, would show 2 bars used |
| 00:01 | <Chutt> | 10, the total, minus 8, how much is left |
| 00:01 | <nyquiljer> | hmm. I guess I keep trying to think of it in terms of position |
| 00:02 | <Chutt> | well |
| 00:02 | <Chutt> | think of it as how far back behind real time you are =) |
| 00:02 | <nyquiljer> | when playing back a recording, the beginning of the show is on the left, and the end is on the right, yeh? |
| 00:03 | <nyquiljer> | and the bar shows your position in the show, how much is played and how much is yet to play? |
| 00:03 | <nyquiljer> | (I havent actually recorded anything myself :) |
| 00:03 | <Chutt> | right |
| 00:03 | <nyquiljer> | it just stands to reason that watching live tv should behave the same way |
| 00:03 | <nyquiljer> | except you dont have an 'end of show' you just have 'end of buffer' |
| 00:04 | <Chutt> | but there's not an end of buffer =) |
| 00:04 | <Chutt> | it loops around forever |
| 00:04 | <nyquiljer> | so say I have a really large buffer.. |
| 00:04 | <nyquiljer> | and I've had it paused for 10 minutes |
| 00:04 | <nyquiljer> | there is 10 minutes worth of show that I havent seen |
| 00:05 | <Chutt> | so it'd show 10 minutes worth of slider bar |
| 00:05 | <nyquiljer> | and so then it would show my posiion betwen the beginning of the show, and the 10 minutes that I've yet to see. |
| 00:05 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 00:05 | <nyquiljer> | ok, I see how youve got it working |
| 00:06 | <nyquiljer> | it does seem backwards to me tho |
| 00:06 | <nyquiljer> | maybe I'm just used to tivo |
| 00:13 | <nyquiljer> | I guess I'm lobbying for having the behavior be the same whether youre watching live tv or a recroding. it seems like if I've been watching a recorded special thats 2 hours long, and I'm an hour and a half into it, I have a position that shows how much I've watched, or how much I can rewind, and then how much that is still yet to play. when watching the same special live on tv, shouldnt I have the same indication of how much I |
| 00:13 | <nyquiljer> | have seen/ can rewind through? and then when I have rewound some be able to see my position in the show? |
| 00:13 | <nyquiljer> | I dont mean to keep going round and round about this, I'm just not sure we understand each other completely |
| 00:15 | <Chutt> | hum |
| 00:16 | <Chutt> | i just think that when you pause it |
| 00:17 | <Chutt> | the slider slowly filling up across the display makes the most sense |
| 00:18 | <nyquiljer> | that part does make sense |
| 00:18 | <nyquiljer> | but then as you play forward again, having it slowly go back the other way doesnt make sense |
| 00:18 | <nyquiljer> | oh hm. |
| 00:18 | <Chutt> | it won't go back the otherway until you start seeking forward |
| 00:19 | <Chutt> | and 'emptying' out the buffer |
| 00:19 | <nyquiljer> | hmm |
| 00:21 | <nyquiljer> | that does make perfect sense |
| 00:22 | <nyquiljer> | I think I'm not thinking of the buffer the way it actually is.. |
| 00:22 | <nyquiljer> | the way I assume |
| 00:22 | <nyquiljer> | is you start wathcing tv, and if you have an hours worth of buffer, that you can scroll back thru that whole hour, right? |
| 00:23 | <Chutt> | yeah, once it's recorded for an hour |
| 00:23 | <nyquiljer> | right |
| 00:23 | <Chutt> | if you've scrolled back for an hour, the buffer would be 'full' |
| 00:23 | <Chutt> | and you wouldn't be able to go back anymore |
| 00:24 | <nyquiljer> | ok. |
| 00:24 | <Chutt> | so, it'd display the slider all the way to the right |
| 00:24 | <nyquiljer> | so our terminology was different |
| 00:24 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 00:24 | <nyquiljer> | so then I guess the best term for what I'm talking about is 'history' |
| 00:25 | <nyquiljer> | when watching a recording you have an indicator of your position in history |
| 00:25 | <nyquiljer> | but not when watching live tv |
| 00:26 | <nyquiljer> | tivo and dishnetwork display your history (tho they only have 30 minute buffer), and then the buffer to the right of it, so you can see that youve been watching for a half hour, and that you have 5 minutes of 'buffered' show since you paused it for 5 minutes at some point |
| 00:27 | <Chutt> | so the two sliders are just opposites of each other? |
| 00:27 | <nyquiljer> | so it looks exactly the same when watchinga recorded show as live tv (except live tv doesnt have an obvious 'end point' |
| 00:27 | <nyquiljer> | no |
| 00:27 | <nyquiljer> | its one slider |
| 00:27 | <nyquiljer> | but it sort of changes colors |
| 00:27 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 00:27 | <nyquiljer> | like |
| 00:27 | <nyquiljer> | um |
| 00:28 | <nyquiljer> | ever used quicktime? |
| 00:28 | <nyquiljer> | they show buffering like that |
| 00:28 | <nyquiljer> | they have a position indicator, the moves to the right as you watch |
| 00:28 | <Chutt> | don't remember it |
| 00:28 | <nyquiljer> | slowly catching up with the buffered part |
| 00:29 | <Chutt> | ah |
| 00:29 | <nyquiljer> | and since quicktime is so horrible, you always cathch up with it, and it has to wait for the buffer to fill up some more |
| 00:29 | <nyquiljer> | but anyways, tivo shows it the same way |
| 00:29 | <nyquiljer> | except you dont catch up with it unles syou fast forward |
| 00:29 | <Chutt> | what's it do when it loops? |
| 00:30 | <nyquiljer> | i;m not exactly certain :), it isnt that much of a problem because thier buffer starts over whenever you change channels |
| 00:30 | <Chutt> | so's mine |
| 00:30 | <nyquiljer> | ok |
| 00:30 | <nyquiljer> | so when it loops, you cant rewind anymore |
| 00:30 | <nyquiljer> | so then I would gues sit moves back over to the left |
| 00:30 | <Chutt> | hrm |
| 00:30 | <Chutt> | i dunno |
| 00:30 | <nyquiljer> | starting at 0 again |
| 00:30 | <Chutt> | i like my way :) |
| 00:34 | <nyquiljer> | I havent seen what hapenes when you record a show with mythtv, it crashed the one time I tried ( a long time ago). does the slider work the same way? as you watch the show then the length of the slider slowly shrinks as you have less show left? |
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| 00:36 | <Chutt> | the slider shows where you are in the file, then |
| 00:36 | <Chutt> | err |
| 00:36 | <Chutt> | unless you're talking about watching something while it's recording? |
| 00:37 | <nyquiljer> | no, I was talking about a scheduled recording |
| 00:37 | <Chutt> | there, the slider shows where you are in the file, full left at 0:00, full right when it's done |
| 00:37 | <nyquiljer> | ok, thats what I thought |
| 00:38 | <Chutt> | hey, does http://mythtv.sourceforge.net redirect back to www.mythtv.org for you? |
| 00:38 | <Universe> | aye |
| 00:38 | <nyquiljer> | yeh it does |
| 00:38 | <Chutt> | cool. |
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| 00:41 | <nyquiljer> | so what about having a 'history' slider and a 'buffer' slider? the history one could behave just like the position indicator during playback of a recording, where left is 0:00 and slowly moves to the right as you progress thru the 'file'... I'm not sure how the right endpoint would work tho...hm |
| 00:41 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 00:42 | <nyquiljer> | http://www.pvrcompare.com/TivoStatusBar.jpg |
| 00:42 | <nyquiljer> | that roundish thing with the play button on it slides to the right as you view (or left as you rewind) while the green bit is the buffer |
| 00:44 | <nyquiljer> | ok, I'm done hassling you now :) |
| 00:44 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 00:44 | <Chutt> | that would work if the buffer had an endpoint |
| 00:44 | <Chutt> | but since it just wraps around |
| 00:45 | <nyquiljer> | so it doesnt just reset? |
| 00:45 | <Chutt> | nope |
| 00:45 | <Chutt> | the only position, really, is how far behind real-time you are |
| 00:46 | <Chutt> | and that's how 'full' the buffer is |
| 00:48 | <nyquiljer> | well, you do know how many minutes worth youve actually played/ ffw thru tho |
| 00:48 | <Chutt> | there isn't a start point, either, though |
| 00:48 | <nyquiljer> | and if you are 5 minutes behind realtime when you hit the end of the buffer, itjust keeps going, and youll still be 5 minutes behind (provided its not paused), right? |
| 00:48 | <Chutt> | right |
| 00:49 | <nyquiljer> | there isnt a 'start' point, but ther eis a 'as far back as you can rewind' point, right? |
| 00:49 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 00:50 | <nyquiljer> | I'm sure thats how tivo displays it, the leftmost point is the farthest you can rewind to |
| 00:52 | <nyquiljer> | and the current position must just move backwards at the same rate the 'as far back' point moves forward. ok, I'm really done this time :) |
| 00:53 | <nyquiljer> | I'll try to get this osd finished up tomorrow, I've got to head to bed |
| 00:53 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 00:53 | <Chutt> | ok, talk to you later =) |
| 00:54 | <nyquiljer> | ok. have a good vacation if I dont see you before then |
| 00:54 | <nyquiljer> | I've never seen florida, so you gotta take some pics :) |
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| 01:07 | <Soopaman> | anyone around? |
| 01:09 | <Chutt> | yup |
| 01:09 | <Soopaman> | you know how you were talking about the png for the osd |
| 01:09 | <Chutt> | yes? |
| 01:09 | <Soopaman> | can pngs be animated? |
| 01:10 | <Soopaman> | 'cause i am trying to figure out how to recreate a visualization type background, for the overlay |
| 01:11 | <Chutt> | visualization type background? |
| 01:12 | <Soopaman> | have you used a tivo? |
| 01:13 | <Chutt> | nope |
| 01:13 | <Soopaman> | where there is a "winamp-esque visualization" styled animated background |
| 01:14 | <Soopaman> | i would liken it to putting a menu and stuff over top of a music visualization window |
| 01:14 | <Soopaman> | if that makes sense |
| 01:14 | <Chutt> | ok |
| 01:14 | <Chutt> | we were just talking about the osd for the video. |
| 01:15 | <Soopaman> | yeah |
| 01:15 | <Soopaman> | it is the ssame thing |
| 01:15 | <Chutt> | no, not really |
| 01:15 | <Soopaman> | hmm.. what do you think i mean |
| 01:16 | <Soopaman> | 'cause i want to make sure we are on the same page |
| 01:16 | <Chutt> | you want a menu over an animated background |
| 01:16 | <Chutt> | no? |
| 01:16 | <Soopaman> | yes |
| 01:16 | <Soopaman> | but the animated backround isn't a static animation |
| 01:17 | <Chutt> | how's that make a difference? |
| 01:18 | <Chutt> | once you're blending graphics into another set of graphics, i don't think it matters if it's static or generated on the fly |
| 01:19 | <Soopaman> | because I was hoping to have this animated background double as audio-visualizations |
| 01:19 | <Soopaman> | kinda 2 birds, one stone |
| 01:21 | <Chutt> | err |
| 01:21 | <Chutt> | don't get what you're talking about |
| 01:26 | <Soopaman> | you know what, i am just going to stop talking until I have enough time to show you my ideas |
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| 04:31 | <blinx> | good morning |
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| 07:31 | <Universe> | anyone awake this early? |
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| 08:39 | <blinx> | I am - though it's not really early :) |
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| 11:27 | <Universe> | anyone have some time to try to help me with a problem I am having? |
| 11:29 | <Conaz> | Not being one who is really knowlegable yet I probably cannot help much, but I would just type your problem and wait, alot of times people are away, and respond when they return |
| 11:29 | <Universe> | ahh... ok.. |
| 11:30 | <Universe> | I try to do the ./setup in the setup folder and get this error couldn't open db. |
| 11:31 | <Conaz> | Ahh, I might be able to help on this one :) |
| 11:32 | <Conaz> | What Linux distribution? |
| 11:32 | <Universe> | gentoo |
| 11:32 | <Conaz> | Ah, sure, one I haven't played with :) |
| 11:32 | <Conaz> | I'll just point you in a direction then |
| 11:32 | <Universe> | sounds good |
| 11:33 | <Conaz> | I'm not sure if gentoo uses /etc/rc.d/init.d/ like startup scripts, but check that directory for a script called 'mysqld' |
| 11:34 | <Conaz> | What I'm suspecting is that perhaps the mySQL server isn't auto-starting on startup |
| 11:35 | <Universe> | I found the mysqld.. tried to run it and get erro its already running |
| 11:36 | <Universe> | and ps -aux shows it running |
| 11:36 | <Conaz> | Ok, have you gone into mysql yet? |
| 11:36 | <Universe> | gone into? |
| 11:36 | <Conaz> | Run: mysql -u root mysql |
| 11:37 | <Conaz> | Just to see if you can connect to the database, etc. |
| 11:37 | <Universe> | Welcome to the MySQL monitor. Commands end with ; or \g. |
| 11:37 | <Universe> | I can connect |
| 11:37 | <Conaz> | Excellent |
| 11:37 | <Conaz> | Ok, next we need to setup the mythtv specific database |
| 11:38 | <Conaz> | Use \q to quit |
| 11:38 | <Universe> | done |
| 11:38 | <Conaz> | Ok, in the mythtv directory, you'll find a database directory |
| 11:38 | <Conaz> | change into that one. You'll have to tell me the filenames as I cannot recall off the top of my head |
| 11:39 | <Universe> | I am guessing you are talking about the mc.sql file? |
| 11:39 | <Conaz> | Aye, that would be the one |
| 11:40 | <Conaz> | ok, I think I remember correctly how to create the database |
| 11:40 | <Conaz> | use: mysql -u root < mc.sql |
| 11:40 | <Universe> | ERROR 1006 at line 1: Can't create database 'mythconverg'. (errno: 17) |
| 11:42 | <Conaz> | Ok, let's see if it is there already: mysql -u root mythconverg |
| 11:42 | <Universe> | Can't read dir of './mythconverg/' (Errcode: 13) |
| 11:43 | <Conaz> | Ok, so it must not exist then |
| 11:43 | <Universe> | appears so |
| 11:44 | <Conaz> | Go out to the mysql.org website and look under documentation, there is a section on creating databases, I cannot recall it off the top of my head. I'm a postgresql user myself, and only use mySQL when running other developer's programs |
| 11:45 | <Conaz> | I recall that the documentation is pretty good. |
| 11:45 | <Conaz> | You might also want to look at pre and post install processes |
| 11:45 | <Conaz> | I think there is a script/app that you run to initialize the mysql server database |
| 11:46 | <Conaz> | Perhaps it wasn't run after the install |
| 11:46 | <Conaz> | (of mysql) |
| 11:46 | <Universe> | there is, and I have ran that. |
| 11:46 | <Conaz> | Ok, well, then look at the database creation section and see if we can manually create one, hopefully errors will point us in a better direction |
| 11:47 | <Universe> | ok.. I will have to read through it at work... |
| 11:47 | <Conaz> | Hehee, I know how that goes :) |
| 11:48 | <Conaz> | At least we know that is the source of the issue with the ./setup |
| 11:48 | <Universe> | hmm |
| 11:48 | <Conaz> | Once you get the database created, you can always just delete the first line out of the mc.sql dump file |
| 11:48 | <Universe> | actually.. I just checked the place mysql stores the files and there is a mythconverg there.. |
| 11:49 | <Conaz> | try: mysql -u mythtv -p mythtv mythconverg |
| 11:49 | <Conaz> | I don't think it would have created the uid/pw already though |
| 11:49 | <Conaz> | Since the mc.sql failed at line 1 |
| 11:50 | <Conaz> | Well, I'm afraid I'm off to a meeting, then lunch for Boss's day |
| 11:50 | <Universe> | ok.. Thanks for the help |
| 11:50 | <Universe> | I am sure I will ask for more later. :-) |
| 11:50 | <Universe> | dont have too much fun at the meeting |
| 11:50 | <Conaz> | Sure thing, glad I could get ya pointed in the right direction |
| 11:51 | <Conaz> | I hear ya |
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| 13:10 | <Universe> | ok.. before I left home... I was able to do the 'mysql < mc.sql'... it went through... I am able to 'mysql mythconverg' without any errors, but setup still says it can't open the db. |
| 13:12 | <Chutt> | do you have the qt mysql plugin installed? |
| 13:12 | <Universe> | I do.. |
| 13:12 | <Chutt> | the -mt one? |
| 13:13 | <Universe> | hmm... not sure about that... I let my system compile it. the ebuild for gentoo and added mysql in the make.conf file.. |
| 13:14 | <Universe> | I was getting the error about the qt sql plugin before |
| 13:14 | <Universe> | but after recompiled qt, that error went away |
| 13:17 | <Universe> | I was getting this error before I recompiled. 'QSqlDatabase warning: QMYSQL3 driver not loaded' |
| 13:17 | <Universe> | but not anymore.. |
| 13:17 | <Chutt> | ah, ok |
| 13:19 | <Universe> | So I should have the correct qt sql plugin, right? |
| 13:20 | <Chutt> | yup |
| 13:20 | <Universe> | thats good... I dont want to recompile qt again tonight.. |
| 13:20 | <Universe> | heh |
| 13:21 | <Universe> | do you have any idea what might be going wrong? |
| 13:21 | <Chutt> | nope |
| 13:21 | <Chutt> | you did do a make install, right? |
| 13:21 | <Universe> | peachy |
| 13:21 | <Universe> | I did |
| 13:24 | <Universe> | I will try it again tonight... I will download the CVS version instead of the tar.. |
| 13:24 | <Chutt> | not much has changed |
| 13:24 | <Universe> | ahh.. ok |
| 13:26 | <Conaz[meeting]> | Make sure you can 'mysql -u mythtv -p mythtv mythconverg' |
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| 13:27 | <Universe> | Conaz... when I tried that, I just get the help for mysql, showing what all the options do |
| 13:27 | <Conaz> | As that is the default uid/pw for accessing the mysql database if I recall correctly |
| 13:27 | <Conaz> | Perhaps it isn't -p for identifying the password |
| 13:27 | <Conaz> | As I said, I'm much more familiar with postgresql database |
| 13:28 | <Universe> | I tried just mysql -u mythtv mythconverg and it worked fine. |
| 13:28 | <Universe> | no errors |
| 13:28 | <Conaz> | And it didn't prompt you for a password? |
| 13:28 | <Universe> | nope.. |
| 13:29 | <Conaz> | Perhaps I'm fuzzy on the uid/pw that the mc.sql file sets up, as I recall it was quite late both times I loaded it up |
| 13:30 | <Conaz> | This line: leads me to believe that the uid/pw is mythtv/mythtv: GRANT ALL ON mythconverg.* TO mythtv@localhost IDENTIFIED BY "mythtv"; |
| 13:31 | <Chutt> | that's right. |
| 13:31 | <Conaz> | So it seems strange to me that you are able to 'mysql -u mythtv mythconverg' without having it prompt you for the passworcx |
| 13:31 | <Conaz> | password even |
| 13:32 | <Conaz> | So perhaps when the setup proggy is attempting to connect using the uid/pw pair it is failing since it seems that the database doesn't contain the password for the uid: mythtv |
| 13:36 | <Universe> | thats possible |
| 13:36 | <Conaz> | At least an avenue to look at |
| 13:37 | <Universe> | hmm... I guess I will have to figure out how to manually setup a username and password for that database |
| 13:37 | <Conaz> | You could actually add just a password easy enough, it is in the 'mysql' database, in the 'user' table |
| 13:38 | * Conaz | fears he is becoming too aquainted with mysql |
| 13:38 | <Universe> | heh |
| 13:38 | <Conaz> | Especially even as we speak I'm setting up a new postgresql database :) |
| 13:39 | <Universe> | man... I should have configured SSH on my box before I left for work.. |
| 13:40 | <Conaz> | Hehee |
| 13:47 | <Universe> | well... how would I setup a password Conaz? |
| 13:48 | <Conaz> | You might try this SQL statement: |
| 13:48 | <Conaz> | update user set password='mythtv' where user='mythtv'; |
| 13:48 | <Conaz> | and see if that does the trick |
| 13:49 | <Universe> | in mysql with mythconverg open? |
| 13:49 | <Conaz> | I'm not sure if you can manually update the password field, but I suspect they run a trigger that does the 'salt' on it |
| 13:49 | <Conaz> | In mysql with mysql open |
| 13:58 | <Universe> | I will try that tonight.. |
| 14:00 | <Conaz> | Sounds good, I'll likely drop by irc for a bit later this evening as well |
| 14:02 | <Universe> | Ok... I dont get off until 10 EST... So it will be a while. |
| 14:03 | <Universe> | Unless I can try to walk my fiance through installed SSH on my linux box... which I think would be impossible. |
| 14:04 | * Conaz | laughs |
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| 14:20 | <root> | hi all |
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| 14:21 | <lekkah> | hi |
| 14:21 | <Conaz> | Greetings |
| 14:21 | <lekkah> | I have got a problem compiling mythtv... is there someone who could help me |
| 14:21 | <lekkah> | it gives shit about QPushButton etc. |
| 14:21 | <lekkah> | all qt things.. and I have got 3.0.5 installed |
| 14:22 | <Conaz> | I'm afraid that'll be well out of my ability, hopefully one of the others will drop back soon |
| 14:23 | <Chutt> | you probably don't have it instlled right. |
| 14:23 | <Chutt> | qt, that is |
| 14:24 | <lekkah> | hmm |
| 14:24 | <lekkah> | what did I do wrong? any suggestions |
| 14:59 | <lekkah> | exit |
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| 16:09 | <Universe> | hey Chutt.. you still here? |
| 16:09 | <Chutt> | yup |
| 16:09 | <Universe> | I was thinking about it |
| 16:10 | <Universe> | when I compiled mythtv... I didn't have the qt plugin working.. .Does that make a difference? |
| 16:10 | <Universe> | the qt sql plugin, that is |
| 16:10 | <Chutt> | shouldn't |
| 16:10 | <Universe> | ok. |
| 16:18 | <Universe> | ok... that main.cpp is the setup source, right? |
| 16:19 | <Universe> | in the setup folder. |
| 16:19 | <Chutt> | yes |
| 16:20 | <Universe> | so all the SQL database informatoin is stored in mysql.txt or settings.txt... |
| 16:21 | * Universe | is currently learning C++ and can someone read the code. :-) |
| 16:21 | <Universe> | err somewhat |
| 16:23 | <Chutt> | it's all in mysql.txt |
| 16:23 | <Universe> | thats what I figured. |
| 16:27 | <Universe> | does it use localhost or your actual hostname for 'DBHostName'? |
| 16:28 | <Chutt> | it says 'localhost' doesn't it? |
| 16:30 | <Universe> | I can't check it... I am at work.. I was just wondering. |
| 16:30 | <Universe> | I still need to install SSH.. |
| 16:30 | <Universe> | I downloaded the source at work and looking at it |
| 16:51 | -!- | Disconnected (Connection reset by peer). |
