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| 01:12 | <Namapoos> | hello |
| 01:12 | <Namapoos> | is anyone around/awake? |
| 01:23 | <Chutt> | for a few more minutes |
| 01:24 | <Namapoos> | what is up |
| 01:24 | <Namapoos> | and what is your association with mythtv |
| 01:24 | <Namapoos> | ? |
| 01:24 | <Chutt> | i'm the author |
| 01:28 | <Namapoos> | did i talk to you on AVS? |
| 01:29 | * Namapoos | = Soopaman |
| 01:29 | <Chutt> | "what's up. I've been meaning to email you for a while, but work has gotten really hectic as of late. I was wondering if you wanted to join efforts on the MythTV project. I have been creating the same thing as you, except I put more time into the audio portion, and the ui, with the tv portion being my next venture. The only concern that may arise, is that I may bundle/sell my version of the software package, where I am not too sure as for |
| 01:29 | <Chutt> | that? |
| 01:30 | <Namapoos> | heh |
| 01:30 | <Namapoos> | that was damn quick |
| 01:30 | <Chutt> | had a browser open |
| 01:30 | <Namapoos> | so what's new? |
| 01:31 | <Chutt> | nothing |
| 01:32 | <Namapoos> | you mind if we privatize this convo? |
| 01:32 | <Chutt> | does it matter? |
| 01:33 | <Namapoos> | i guess not |
| 01:33 | <Namapoos> | but what are your thoughts on my perspective |
| 01:33 | <Chutt> | what perspective? |
| 01:34 | <Namapoos> | the joining and such |
| 01:35 | <Chutt> | i haven't seen anything you've done |
| 01:35 | <Namapoos> | true, but i don't want to show, because I am worried it will get jacked |
| 01:35 | <Chutt> | suuuure |
| 01:35 | <Namapoos> | heh |
| 01:36 | <Namapoos> | what's with all the attitude? |
| 01:36 | <Chutt> | well |
| 01:36 | <Chutt> | you _do_ know what the term 'open source' means, right? |
| 01:37 | <Namapoos> | for the most part |
| 01:37 | <Namapoos> | but i don't know what would happen if I added my part |
| 01:37 | <Namapoos> | would i HAVE to give you the source? |
| 01:38 | <Chutt> | ok, so you don't know what it means, then |
| 01:39 | <Namapoos> | can you summarize |
| 01:39 | <Namapoos> | for the win32 kids? |
| 01:39 | <Chutt> | mythtv's a linux program, too, btw |
| 01:39 | <Namapoos> | i know that |
| 01:41 | <Chutt> | it's distributed under the GPL |
| 01:41 | <Chutt> | anything that links to it must also be distributed under the GPL |
| 01:43 | <Namapoos> | ok |
| 01:44 | <Namapoos> | i'll just a custom version for mythtv |
| 01:44 | <Namapoos> | err "make a" |
| 01:44 | <Namapoos> | gtk/qt, or custom drawkit? |
| 01:44 | <Namapoos> | err toolkit |
| 01:44 | <Chutt> | you still haven't told me what you want |
| 01:46 | <Namapoos> | more or less to overhaul the ui |
| 01:46 | <Namapoos> | to one that is more similar/commercial to my own |
| 01:46 | <Chutt> | to look like, what, http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?s=&postid=788935&fullpage=1 |
| 01:46 | <Chutt> | that? |
| 01:46 | <Namapoos> | i just wanted to move awawy from windows |
| 01:46 | <Namapoos> | nah, that was my old old old one |
| 01:46 | <Chutt> | which looks like ass. |
| 01:46 | <Namapoos> | i know |
| 01:46 | <Chutt> | and really says to me, 'here's a guy that's full of shit' |
| 01:46 | <Namapoos> | hahahah |
| 01:47 | <Namapoos> | you sure got a mouth on you |
| 01:47 | <Namapoos> | don't really understand the need for it |
| 01:48 | <Chutt> | saying 'i don't want to show you anything, because i'm afraid it's going to get jacked' translates to 'i have nothing' |
| 01:49 | <Namapoos> | true, but you gotta understand that I have alot of time invested into it |
| 01:49 | <Chutt> | err, so? |
| 01:49 | <Namapoos> | it may be more of a pride thing, but i just don't want someone eating off my work |
| 01:51 | <Namapoos> | hmm.... jordan picks up charles oakley... |
| 01:54 | <Chutt> | so anyway, you've basically got 0 credibility with me until i see some code. |
| 01:55 | <Namapoos> | that's cool |
| 01:55 | <Chutt> | and come back when you've read the GPL |
| 01:55 | <Namapoos> | but i need your help to know with what to start to code with on linux |
| 01:56 | <Chutt> | err |
| 02:01 | <Chutt> | why would i do that? |
| 02:03 | <Namapoos> | simple |
| 02:03 | <Namapoos> | if you use qt |
| 02:03 | <Namapoos> | and i start with gtk |
| 02:03 | <Namapoos> | i assume i couldn't blend my code with yours |
| 02:04 | * Syn- | wonders why you dont just download the source and look |
| 02:04 | <Namapoos> | blah |
| 02:04 | <Chutt> | it's on the webpage several times, as well |
| 02:04 | <Namapoos> | i'll just do that |
| 02:04 | <Chutt> | and it's pretty obvious from looking at the screenshots what toolkit it is |
| 02:04 | <Syn-> | this has to be the funniest convo ive seen in a while, its going in my 'save' bin :) |
| 02:04 | <Chutt> | yeah, i've been laughing my ass off for quite some time |
| 02:04 | <Namapoos> | glad to know i amuse you syn |
| 02:04 | <Namapoos> | heheh |
| 02:04 | <Syn-> | :) |
| 02:06 | * Namapoos | finishes ordering his gun online, and now begins his patient 7-day wait for justice... |
| 02:08 | <Chutt> | so, let's see a screenshot |
| 03:35 | <Syn-> | hrm still generating a ss i see ;) |
| 03:35 | <Syn-> | chutt, any way of integrating a better audio rip? (like if its digital cable and has dobly digital on the broadcast) |
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| 06:56 | * vektor | ROTFL |
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| 11:31 | <vektor> | Chutt: That was fucking hilarious dude :) |
| 11:32 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 11:32 | <Chutt> | hey, tvtime's fairly neat |
| 11:33 | <Chutt> | did you see what i said about it? |
| 11:45 | <Chutt> | syn, around? do you have a digital audio input that you can record from? |
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| 13:54 | <Syn-> | nope not as of yet, I just stumbled upon this project when lookin for how mature the do it yourself PVRs are compared to a Tivo. So instead of buying a tivo i intend on going this route. Ive gotta research the hardware alot more still, know of any cards that have a digital in? Audigy might but ive heard bad things about them... |
| 13:55 | <Chutt> | dunno, really |
| 13:55 | <Chutt> | but, that's really the only way to get higher quality audio input |
| 14:01 | <SadMan> | Chutt: what tv card you got? |
| 14:01 | <vektor> | Chutt: What did you say about it? |
| 14:02 | <Chutt> | vektor, seems to be kinda flickery? |
| 14:02 | <Chutt> | i dunno how to describe it |
| 14:02 | <vektor> | Yes, it would be. |
| 14:02 | <vektor> | When you're running it, hit 'd'. |
| 14:02 | <vektor> | I'm _very_ curious to know what stats you're getting. |
| 14:02 | <vektor> | This will also tell you your XVideo upload latency. |
| 14:03 | <Chutt> | tvtime: aquire 10434, build top 3085 blit top 2268 built bot 3287 free input 174 wait bot 11924 blit bot 2209 |
| 14:03 | <vektor> | Um, WOW! |
| 14:03 | <vektor> | What machine do you have? |
| 14:03 | <Chutt> | xp 1800+ |
| 14:04 | <vektor> | And what video card? |
| 14:04 | <Chutt> | good wow or bad wow? :) |
| 14:04 | <vektor> | No, that's like _very_ low blit latencies. |
| 14:04 | <vektor> | And it's _very_ fast to construct the frames too. |
| 14:04 | <vektor> | Makes me want an xp 1800+. |
| 14:04 | <Chutt> | sadman, a ati tv wonder ve and a hauppauge wintv-radio |
| 14:04 | <vektor> | So, you're able to build the field and blit it and have 10ms of idle time. |
| 14:04 | <Chutt> | vektor, fast ram, a gf4 ti4200, etc |
| 14:04 | <vektor> | Out of 16 total. |
| 14:04 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 14:04 | <vektor> | Yeah, that kicks ass. |
| 14:05 | <Chutt> | like i said, the frame rate is smooth |
| 14:05 | <vektor> | Ok, what's the refresh of your monitor? |
| 14:05 | <SadMan> | Chutt: and you can get audio off wintv using btaudio module? |
| 14:05 | <Chutt> | sadman, yes |
| 14:05 | <SadMan> | w/o any tweaking? |
| 14:05 | <Chutt> | the digital dsp device, 32000 sampling rate |
| 14:05 | <vektor> | The flickering you're seeing is almost definitely aliasing between the refresh of your monitor and the framerate of the video. |
| 14:05 | <Chutt> | vektor, it _looks_ more like the interpolation between fields |
| 14:05 | <vektor> | Really? |
| 14:06 | <vektor> | Hrm. |
| 14:06 | <vektor> | Sounds wrong. |
| 14:06 | <Chutt> | almost as if stuff's bouncing up and down one line |
| 14:06 | <Chutt> | well, not bouncing |
| 14:06 | <Chutt> | but |
| 14:06 | <vektor> | Yeah, you'll notice that if your monitor refresh is causing a beat pattern with the interpolated video. |
| 14:06 | <vektor> | What's your mointor refresh? |
| 14:06 | <Chutt> | dunno |
| 14:06 | <SadMan> | Chutt: btw, there seem to be some bugs when you got less than 5 or 6 chans defined |
| 14:06 | <SadMan> | tho you americans w/ bazillion chans won't see them :P |
| 14:07 | <Chutt> | sadman, should be fine with at least 3 channels |
| 14:07 | <Chutt> | in cvs at least |
| 14:07 | <vektor> | Chutt: I can send you an app to tell you your refresh rate. Want it? |
| 14:07 | <Chutt> | sure |
| 14:07 | <vektor> | I wrote it two days ago for some guy on #xfree86 |
| 14:07 | <vektor> | Based on some code I already had. |
| 14:07 | <SadMan> | Chutt: well, i was populating db manually |
| 14:07 | <SadMan> | i made an mistake and started w/ chanid 1 and not 0 |
| 14:07 | <SadMan> | mythepg weas segfaulting immediately |
| 14:07 | <Chutt> | that shouldn't matter |
| 14:08 | <SadMan> | it does |
| 14:08 | <Chutt> | doubt it |
| 14:08 | <SadMan> | i can tell you the line where it dies |
| 14:08 | <Chutt> | since my first chanid is like 1003 |
| 14:08 | <vektor> | Chutt: Can you accept the dcc? |
| 14:08 | <Chutt> | and not 0 |
| 14:08 | <Chutt> | vektor, would prefer if on a website, i'm not ircing from the computer it'd be running on |
| 14:08 | <SadMan> | then there had to be some more factors involved |
| 14:08 | <SadMan> | but when i inserted chan w/ chanid 0, it started to work |
| 14:08 | <vektor> | Chutt: Ok justasec. |
| 14:09 | <Chutt> | sadman, a backtrace would be nice. |
| 14:09 | <vektor> | Chutt: http://vektor.theorem.ca/graphics/refresh/vidinfo-0.1.tar.gz |
| 14:10 | <Chutt> | vektor 75 |
| 14:10 | <vektor> | Chutt: Ok, well, that's going to cause bad aliasing. :) |
| 14:10 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 14:10 | <SadMan> | Chutt: ain't got it anymore, i've recompiled a few times |
| 14:10 | <SadMan> | but it was in guidegrid.cpp |
| 14:10 | <SadMan> | getProgramInfo() |
| 14:10 | <SadMan> | if (m_channelInfos[chanNum].chanstr == "" || !m_timeInfos[col]) |
| 14:10 | <vektor> | Chutt: I find it looks _awesome_ if my monitor is at 800x600x120hz. |
| 14:10 | <SadMan> | died on this comparison |
| 14:10 | <vektor> | Chutt: But that's a bit infeasible. |
| 14:10 | <Chutt> | vektor, i don't think my monitor handles that =) |
| 14:11 | <vektor> | Chutt: You should consider putting your monitor at 60hz (I can tell you how) and seeing how it looks. |
| 14:11 | <Chutt> | it's a cheapy |
| 14:11 | <vektor> | just change VertRefresh 50.0-160.0 (or whatever) in your XF86Config-4 to 50.0-62.0 and then X will almost definitely pick a 60hz mode. |
| 14:12 | <Chutt> | ok |
| 14:12 | <Chutt> | 'sec. |
| 14:12 | <vektor> | Coooool :) |
| 14:13 | <vektor> | BTW, the tvtime in CVS has an awesome OSD when you change channels or change volume (+/- on the keypad). It looks really cool. You should copy the style in mythtv ;-) |
| 14:13 | <SadMan> | Chutt: btw, what should Setup button in tv menu do? it does nothing for me and i'm lazy to search in src ;-) |
| 14:13 | <Chutt> | it's not hooked up to anything |
| 14:13 | <SadMan> | ok |
| 14:13 | <SadMan> | that explains it |
| 14:14 | <Chutt> | vektor, same thing |
| 14:15 | <Chutt> | vektor, i'll probably make it fade out like that =) |
| 14:15 | <vektor> | Chutt: It's cool :) |
| 14:15 | <vektor> | (the fade-out) |
| 14:16 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 14:16 | <vektor> | I'm weirded out by the flicker. I mean, it should _flicker_ a bit, but it shouldn't look any worse than a TV, and clearly from what you've said, it does. |
| 14:16 | <Chutt> | i need to make it only calculate the text once per string anyway |
| 14:16 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 14:16 | <vektor> | What do you mean by only calc once per string? |
| 14:16 | <Chutt> | it would give me a headache if i watched it for long |
| 14:16 | <Chutt> | do all the character layout once per string of text |
| 14:16 | <Chutt> | instead of doing it each frame |
| 14:16 | <vektor> | Ok, something is wrong then, I'll see if I can figure it out here. |
| 14:17 | <vektor> | You regenerate the text each frame? |
| 14:17 | <vektor> | Odd, I didn't get that from your code. |
| 14:17 | <Chutt> | yep |
| 14:17 | <vektor> | You see how my code works, right? |
| 14:17 | <Chutt> | yup |
| 14:17 | <vektor> | It's dirt simple. |
| 14:17 | <Chutt> | i'd been meaning to do that =) |
| 14:17 | <vektor> | heh. |
| 14:17 | <Chutt> | was just lazy |
| 14:17 | <vektor> | I still think I should be filtering the chroma a bit though |
| 14:17 | <vektor> | Like, I think my colour is sucking on the edges. |
| 14:18 | <vektor> | And I want to try your method of constructing edges around the text. |
| 14:18 | <vektor> | Text without edges is a bit nasty, although I want to find a Sony TV and see what they do. |
| 14:18 | <vektor> | Like, do Sony TVs just use ugly-bright-green text? |
| 14:18 | <vektor> | If so, I might do that too. |
| 14:18 | <vektor> | I really like their green :) |
| 14:18 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 14:18 | <Chutt> | i like the white with black border |
| 14:18 | <Chutt> | makes it show up regardless |
| 14:18 | <vektor> | If they have a border then I'll have to figure out what they're doing or do my own font with border. |
| 14:18 | <Chutt> | just takes a little more cpu =) |
| 14:18 | <vektor> | Yeah, it's true. |
| 14:18 | <vektor> | Well, the way you do it it does. |
| 14:18 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 14:18 | <vektor> | But I think you can generate text borders better. |
| 14:19 | <vektor> | I tried by doing a two-pass thing per scanline to do horizontal borders. |
| 14:19 | <Chutt> | if i could calculate once and then just blend |
| 14:19 | <vektor> | Looked 'ok'. |
| 14:19 | <vektor> | Ah, true. |
| 14:19 | <vektor> | Still, there must be a better way to do borders. |
| 14:19 | <Chutt> | probably |
| 14:19 | <vektor> | I want soft borders though, so maybe your method is cheap enough and can give me that :) |
| 14:19 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 14:19 | <Chutt> | 'specially with the freetype 2 update |
| 14:19 | <Chutt> | it's a lot softer than it was |
| 14:20 | * vektor | can't wait. |
| 14:20 | <Chutt> | that's all in cvs |
| 14:20 | <Chutt> | i did change the api, though =) |
| 14:20 | <vektor> | Do you like my nasty object oriented C style? :) |
| 14:20 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 14:20 | <vektor> | Yeah it's ok. |
| 14:20 | <Chutt> | made it an actual class |
| 14:20 | <Chutt> | per font, instead of just random functions |
| 14:20 | <vektor> | I can easily put your C++ object into a C-API file. |
| 14:20 | <vektor> | Yep. |
| 14:21 | <Chutt> | yeah |
| 14:21 | <vektor> | So we can share a bit easier :) |
| 14:21 | <Chutt> | the main reason was so that i could just do a forward declaration of the ttffont class in osd.h |
| 14:21 | <Chutt> | so anything else that included osd.h wasn't pulling in the freetype includes |
| 14:22 | <vektor> | good. |
| 14:22 | <vektor> | freetype includes pollute! :) |
| 14:23 | <Chutt> | i'm putting a 0.6 release out tomorrow afternoon, i think |
| 14:24 | <vektor> | Chutt: Also, for performance and cache coherency, scanline algorithms rock. |
| 14:24 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 14:24 | <vektor> | So, I would recommend having your font drawing code be a scanline function. |
| 14:24 | <vektor> | That way, you scan grab a scanline from the input, composite, write to the output, go to the next scanline. |
| 14:24 | <Chutt> | doesn't it sorta do that already? |
| 14:25 | <vektor> | um... |
| 14:25 | <vektor> | Well last I saw you had a full merge function... no? |
| 14:25 | <Chutt> | haven't changed that |
| 14:25 | <vektor> | void DrawString(unsigned char *yuvptr, int x, int y, const QString &text, |
| 14:25 | <vektor> | int maxx, int maxy, bool white = true, |
| 14:25 | <vektor> | bool rightjustify = false); |
| 14:25 | <vektor> | exactly. |
| 14:25 | <vektor> | I would recommend instead just have a function DrawStringOnScanline(); |
| 14:26 | <vektor> | That way, you can composite as you copy to the XVideo or whatever output. |
| 14:26 | <Chutt> | it composites to the xv buffer |
| 14:26 | <vektor> | BTW, re: performance, on my machine it takes 5ms to build the frame, and 3-4ms to blit. |
| 14:26 | <vektor> | Yes, but you've already copied the input frame onto the XVideo buffer. |
| 14:26 | <Chutt> | yeah, hrm |
| 14:27 | <vektor> | I mean, do it one scanline at a time, so that way you've got the input scanline already in cache. |
| 14:27 | <Chutt> | ok |
| 14:27 | <vektor> | So, copy input scanline to XVideo scanline, composite onto XVideo scanline. |
| 14:27 | <Chutt> | i'd need to build the entire osd beforehand, then |
| 14:27 | <vektor> | It's a technique I learned at work. Scanline functions were one of the best ways we improved speed. |
| 14:27 | <vektor> | Well, compositing is associative, right? |
| 14:28 | <vektor> | So the way I'm going to do it is to have a stack of virtual OSD screens. |
| 14:28 | <vektor> | So per scanline I go through who's on it, and composite to the output each one, back to front. |
| 14:28 | <vektor> | Well, I haven't really decided how I'm going to do it. |
| 14:28 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 14:28 | <vektor> | But at least all my functions are scanline functions so I can figure out the big algorithms later ;-) |
| 14:29 | <Chutt> | heh, right |
| 14:29 | <Chutt> | anyway |
| 14:29 | <Chutt> | i'll bbiab |
| 14:29 | <Chutt> | need to go get a full tank of gas |
| 14:29 | <vektor> | lates. |
| 14:44 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 14:45 | <Chutt> | so i wonder what that calvin guy's db problem is |
| 14:45 | <vektor> | Is he the guy I completely cut off? |
| 14:45 | <Chutt> | naw |
| 14:45 | <Chutt> | some guy on the mailing list |
| 14:45 | <vektor> | oh ok :) |
| 14:45 | <Chutt> | can't record for some reason |
| 14:46 | <Chutt> | he's not too timely in responding to emails =) |
| 14:46 | <vektor> | he's 1n n33d 0v l337 sk1llz maybe? |
| 14:46 | <Chutt> | so it's hard to debug |
| 14:46 | <Chutt> | naw |
| 14:46 | <Chutt> | probably something simple |
| 14:46 | <vektor> | k. |
| 14:47 | <vektor> | i like how you consider 'linearblendyuv420' to be an "effect" :) |
| 14:47 | <vektor> | i want to support transitions when changing channels. like, do a soft wipe from channel 5 to channel 6 ;-) |
| 14:47 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 14:48 | <vektor> | i should go buy another bttv i guess, eh? :) |
| 14:48 | <Chutt> | needed a name for the file =) |
| 14:48 | <vektor> | do you have two capture cards? |
| 14:48 | <Chutt> | yup |
| 14:48 | <vektor> | and do they both work ok when run concurrently? |
| 14:48 | <Chutt> | yup |
| 14:48 | <vektor> | at full rez? |
| 14:48 | <vektor> | :) |
| 14:48 | <Chutt> | yup |
| 14:48 | <vektor> | I'm worried about the PCI bandwidth. |
| 14:49 | <Chutt> | it's enough, seems like |
| 14:49 | <vektor> | Wow. |
| 14:49 | <vektor> | That _would_ be cool to see like a radial wipe to the next channel ;-) |
| 14:49 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 14:49 | <vektor> | star! |
| 14:49 | <vektor> | hehe |
| 14:49 | <Chutt> | some guy asked me if he could compress 3 streams of data at once, and handle a playback |
| 14:49 | <Chutt> | with an xp 2000 |
| 14:49 | <vektor> | ahaha. |
| 14:49 | <vektor> | foolio. |
| 14:50 | <Chutt> | well |
| 14:50 | <Chutt> | he _could_ |
| 14:50 | <Chutt> | if it was like 320x200 |
| 14:50 | <vektor> | yep. |
| 14:50 | <Chutt> | probably |
| 14:50 | <Chutt> | but that'd bite |
| 14:50 | <vektor> | I'm still freaked out by your 'flickering' problem. |
| 14:50 | <vektor> | Can you do me a favour? |
| 14:50 | <vektor> | Do you get 'cnn'? |
| 14:50 | <Chutt> | sure |
| 14:50 | <vektor> | You must :) |
| 14:50 | <Chutt> | of course |
| 14:50 | <vektor> | You know the scrolling text along the bottom? |
| 14:50 | <Chutt> | the text scroll is smooth |
| 14:50 | <vektor> | Can you tell me how 'smooth' it looks? |
| 14:50 | <vektor> | Damn. |
| 14:51 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 14:51 | <Chutt> | it's like, the topmost scanline seems to be blinking on and off, too |
| 14:51 | <vektor> | Well, yeah, I know that's my fault. |
| 14:51 | <vektor> | But it should be kinda. |
| 14:51 | <Chutt> | which, i'd assume would be a interpolation artifact |
| 14:51 | <vektor> | I mean, remember, you're seeing the overscan. |
| 14:51 | <Chutt> | right |
| 14:51 | <vektor> | Have you ever seen a video monitor with the overscan? |
| 14:52 | <vektor> | There's a half-scanline on the top, and it bounces ;-) |
| 14:52 | <Chutt> | but the rest of the flickering is in time with that top scanline |
| 14:52 | <vektor> | Yeah, see, you shouldn't be able to _see_ the flicker. |
| 14:52 | <vektor> | It should just sort of flicker at that annoying 60hz. |
| 14:52 | <vektor> | But this sounds different. |
| 14:52 | <vektor> | This sounds like more visible bouncing. |
| 14:52 | <Chutt> | it's really very obvious on text |
| 14:52 | <vektor> | Yeah. |
| 14:52 | <vektor> | You shouldn't see that. |
| 14:52 | <vektor> | Ok. |
| 14:52 | <vektor> | I'll look into it when I get home. |
| 14:52 | <Chutt> | less so on people and junk |
| 14:52 | <Chutt> | cool =) |
| 14:52 | * vektor | can't debug this over ssh :) |
| 14:52 | <Chutt> | heh |
| 14:52 | <Chutt> | "why not?" =0 |
| 14:53 | <Chutt> | blah blah blah |
| 14:54 | <vektor> | I should do a test where I just draw black-white-black-white frames and see how even/uneven it looks. |
| 14:54 | <vektor> | That should tell you pretty conclusively how much the refresh rate is affecting it. |
| 14:55 | <Chutt> | right |
| 14:55 | <vektor> | (affecting or effecting in that sentence?) |
| 14:55 | <Chutt> | a, i think |
| 14:55 | <vektor> | k. |
| 14:56 | <vektor> | I did a patch to X to allow you to change the refresh rate dynamically. |
| 14:56 | <vektor> | I need to submit it back. |
| 14:56 | <vektor> | That's where the code in vidinfo is from. |
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| 15:48 | <Chutt> | wonder who he was |
| 15:48 | <vektor> | Was that... Conaz the BARBARIAN?! |
| 15:49 | <Chutt> | hah |
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