| --- | Log | opened Tue Mar 27 00:00:02 2012 |
| --- | Day | changed Tue Mar 27 2012 |
| 00:00 | <Katana> | don't you know about pi |
| 00:00 | <Katana> | geez |
| 00:00 | <jhanjon> | There seem to be stack scripts that include mercury |
| 00:02 | <XReaper> | !pi |
| 00:02 | <linbot> | XReaper: Point (0.31493567, 0.64317442) lies within the unit circle. Hits: 110514 of 140288 (π ≈ 3.151060675182482 - 0.009468021592689). http://π.hoopycat.com/ |
| 00:02 | <XReaper> | ohisee |
| 00:02 | <XReaper> | !pi |
| 00:02 | <linbot> | XReaper: Point (0.01132795, 0.18678250) lies within the unit circle. Hits: 110515 of 140289 (π ≈ 3.151066726543065 - 0.009474072953271). http://π.hoopycat.com/ |
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| 00:24 | <Smark> | I'm preparing for a project and am trying to work out how the backend is supposed to look. Everything is running on Linode but won't be using the Linode LB services... Which of the following three "plans" make the most sense as far as performance? http://etc.spectralcoding.com/questions/ |
| 00:24 | <@akerl> | Yes |
| 00:25 | <Smark> | meaning they all make good sense, or are you being sarcastic saying it's a really hard question |
| 00:25 | <Smark> | ? |
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| 00:26 | <@akerl> | Smark: All of those appear to be valid ways to do it, and without testing your exact stack there's no way for someone to tell you the "best" way |
| 00:27 | <@akerl> | I'd recommend NodeBalancers as being awesome, but I am biased |
| 00:27 | <XReaper> | don't know whether getting rid of apache and using php-fpm would increase performance... |
| 00:28 | <Smark> | The NodeBalancers are something we looked at but in the event that something happens we'd like to be as platform independant as possible. |
| 00:28 | <@akerl> | If I were doing it, I'd probably do #1, because it lets all servers at one level be identical |
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| 00:29 | <XReaper> | true load-balancing |
| 00:29 | <pharaun> | just do nodebalancer, problem solved |
| 00:29 | <@akerl> | I'm willing to bet that the load of the static content will be tiny compared to the dynamic, but obviously if your static is hd videos or similar, things are different |
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| 00:30 | <Smark> | the static is likely to be a lot of images (such as avatars and the like) |
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| 00:31 | <@akerl> | Smark: I'd say your best bet is to build a config and benchmark it. If it works, cool. If it's not what you want, try another one |
| 00:31 | <pharaun> | honestly benchmarking it will almost always be the answer |
| 00:32 | <pharaun> | for custom setup/etc to pick things, etc, we are not all knowing... as much as some people might disagree :) |
| 00:32 | <XReaper> | don't ask me for advice, i run arch :P |
| 00:32 | <pharaun> | even on urmom? |
| 00:33 | <Smark> | haha thanks for your help everyone. This is my first time building something like this. Was wondering if there was a consensus or something that people had found out was GENERALLY better. |
| 00:33 | <XReaper> | 1 looks good... |
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| 00:33 | <XReaper> | could even add more servers in later |
| 00:33 | <Smark> | well you would always add more servers later in all the configs. IE 20 app, 5 static or something |
| 00:34 | <XReaper> | yeah true |
| 00:34 | <XReaper> | just need to sync the static i'd guess |
| 00:34 | <pharaun> | that's common webscale arch |
| 00:35 | <pharaun> | load balancer, cachers, webapps, db |
| 00:35 | <XReaper> | oh like use the static as a CDN |
| 00:35 | <Smark> | exactly |
| 00:35 | <pharaun> | yeah that too |
| 00:35 | <pharaun> | often you see varnish or squid as the cachers |
| 00:35 | <pharaun> | but that depends on the kind of context you are generating |
| 00:35 | <pharaun> | for ex look at wikia |
| 00:36 | <Smark> | there a good way for any node to be able to serve any static file without duplicating all the data on each server? |
| 00:36 | <pharaun> | nfs |
| 00:36 | <Smark> | such as special nodes and using NFS? |
| 00:36 | <XReaper> | only if it knows where to look |
| 00:36 | <pharaun> | XReaper: ? |
| 00:36 | * | XReaper makes no sense |
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| 00:36 | <pharaun> | Smark: nfs or you could just rsync the static content in your deployment plan |
| 00:36 | <pharaun> | may i suggest puppet? |
| 00:37 | <Smark> | well the content changes rapidly, it's user uploaded content, not just a bunch of images we upload |
| 00:37 | <Smark> | much makes me think 2/3 might be the best |
| 00:38 | <XReaper> | another option is a CDN service... but lets not go there |
| 00:38 | <gdr> | :D |
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| 00:39 | <pharaun> | :D: :D: |
| 00:39 | <XReaper> | !arch |
| 00:39 | <linbot> | The Romans used Arch. Worked out GREAT for their civilization. |
| 00:39 | <pharaun> | they don't exist |
| 00:40 | <XReaper> | wonder who made that |
| 00:40 | <XReaper> | people keep using it on me |
| 00:40 | <XReaper> | !to pharaun arch |
| 00:40 | <linbot> | pharaun: The Romans used Arch. Worked out GREAT for their civilization. |
| 00:40 | <pharaun> | i never installed arch |
| 00:40 | <pharaun> | not even once |
| 00:42 | <XReaper> | my linode my desktop my laptop my printserver |
| 00:42 | <XReaper> | all arch |
| 00:43 | <EugeneKay> | !arch |
| 00:43 | <linbot> | The Romans used Arch. Worked out GREAT for their civilization. |
| 00:43 | <XReaper> | you HAD to do it :P |
| 00:43 | <pharaun> | debian, debian, debian, fedora, fedora, gentoo |
| 00:43 | <XReaper> | What's up with the rolling release model? |
| 00:43 | <pharaun> | oh openbsd, and openwrt too |
| 00:43 | <XReaper> | dd-wrt on my router |
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| 00:45 | * | EugeneKay sticks with his Scientific Linux... FOR SCIENCE! |
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| 00:46 | <pharaun> | then you won't mind me doing science on you with some supercharged cow prods? |
| 00:46 | <EugeneKay> | That's $50 |
| 00:46 | <Kyhwana> | per prod |
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| 00:46 | * | pharaun submits the bill to Kyhwana |
| 00:47 | * | Kyhwana zaps pharaun for each zap he's billed for |
| 00:47 | <EugeneKay> | !science |
| 00:47 | <linbot> | Scientific Linux: The official distribution of the Large Hadron Collider. It has yet to suck the planet into a black hole, so it must be working right! |
| 00:47 | * | Kyhwana submits that bill to EugeneKay |
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| 00:49 | * | XReaper loves this place |
| 00:50 | * | XReaper makes an infinite loop using the api to make more linodes |
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| 00:51 | <pharaun> | there's an api limit |
| 00:51 | <pharaun> | 5 iirc |
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| 00:59 | <XReaper> | :( |
| 00:59 | <XReaper> | ruin my fun :P |
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| 01:04 | <pharaun> | that's my job |
| 01:05 | <pharaun> | >:) |
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| 01:17 | <Smark> | question? How do you scale out with changing static content (such as new images)? Everything I come up with sounds hacked together. For instance, if I need more space, instead of going from 512 -> 1024, i want to go from 512 -> 512x2. How would one organize the data? |
| 01:18 | <Kyh> | Smark: use a load balancer to LB between the 2x512? |
| 01:18 | <Smark> | I can't see any way to do it cleanly without required a restructure every time you want to add a server |
| 01:18 | <Smark> | but then don't you need to duplicate 16gb between the two? |
| 01:19 | <Smark> | I'm looking to get 32gb of usable space |
| 01:19 | <Smark> | or 48, or 64, however high I need to go |
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| 01:19 | <@akerl> | Smark: You don't store all content on all servers |
| 01:20 | <Smark> | exactly, so whats the best way to determine where you put the data? best i can gather is to md5 it and use the first digit(s) or just pick a random number and store the location in a DB record |
| 01:20 | <Peng> | Smark: One simple solution is "dump it all on Amazon S3". |
| 01:21 | <Smark> | Peng: I'm not 100% familiar with how that works, do you then serve a S3 URL, or do you mount it via NFS? |
| 01:21 | <Peng> | Smark: The former. |
| 01:21 | <Peng> | Smark: S3 doesn't support NFS. People have invented hacks to make it mountable, but I wouldn't rely on 'em. |
| 01:22 | <Peng> | Smark: Plus, performance is worse and it costs you more money when you have to stream the data through your servers. |
| 01:22 | <@akerl> | Smark: If I were doing it, and legitimately needed to split things up, I would likely start by dividing categories of static files onto different servers |
| 01:23 | <@akerl> | So if I'm storing avatars and some other uploaded media, they are on separate servers |
| 01:24 | <Smark> | what happens when you get too much of a certain category? upgrade the server? It's there a more "cloud"-y way? |
| 01:24 | <@akerl> | It depends |
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| 01:25 | <pharaun> | eh i would just do a couple deep md5 sums or something |
| 01:25 | <pharaun> | and split those directories over, it should generally spread the load out |
| 01:26 | <pharaun> | squid does something like that for its on disk cache |
| 01:26 | <Smark> | OPTIMALLY if I have 20GB of data and 4 machines, I'd like 5GB on each. Seems like the best way, but in order to add a server you have to adjust your "system" quite a bit, atleast to have it spread evenly. |
| 01:26 | <@akerl> | Smark: Potentially relevant: http://www.tomkleinpeter.com/2008/03/17/programmers-toolbox-part-3-consistent-hashing/ |
| 01:27 | <Peng> | Smark: You could run some sort of distributed s. |
| 01:27 | <Peng> | fs |
| 01:28 | <Smark> | so for instance, you have each file assigned a long number, 0/1/2 go on 1, 3/4/5 go on 2, 6/7/8 on 3, 9//0 on 4 |
| 01:28 | <Smark> | i'll take a look akerl |
| 01:28 | <Smark> | whats an example of a distributed fs? |
| 01:28 | <@akerl> | If you want to get really fancy, you could hook that in with DNS for scaling |
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| 01:29 | <Peng> | Smark: GlusterFS? Ceph (still experimental)? |
| 01:29 | <Smark> | the problem with the numbering method is that if you need to scale to five servers you have to move files around. Not extactly plug and play |
| 01:29 | <Peng> | Smark: Um...there are a few more. |
| 01:29 | <Peng> | Smark: I mean, there are tons, but there are only a few more I think are interesting. :P |
| 01:29 | <Peng> | Smark: MogileFS |
| 01:30 | <Peng> | I'm forgetting one. |
| 01:30 | <Peng> | Smark: Tahoe |
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| 01:30 | <Peng> | Smark: Again, or S3. |
| 01:30 | <@akerl> | the first digit in your unique ID is the subdomain the request to, so to start with {0..9}.static.example.org all point to the same IP. When you scale up, you clone half the content to server B and point {5..9}.static.example.org to that server |
| 01:30 | <Peng> | Smark: S3 storage is way cheaper than Linode, too. |
| 01:31 | <Peng> | "clone half the content" -- an easy and fun task. |
| 01:31 | <@akerl> | Peng: Depending on how you structure it, it doesn't have to suck |
| 01:31 | <bob2> | ha ha mongo |
| 01:32 | <Smark> | ah that makes a lot of sense akerl |
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| 01:32 | <Peng> | Open Stack Swift, of course. |
| 01:33 | <Peng> | But I'm not sure if it runs on anything less than a rackful of servers. |
| 01:33 | <Smark> | I may end up going with S3 but I'd definitely like to look more into a self-hosted options |
| 01:33 | <bd_> | Peng: s3's a hell of a lot more durable than raid10 too |
| 01:34 | <Smark> | out of curiousity are there DNS tricks to masking the fact that you use S3 (atleast on a URL level)? |
| 01:34 | <bd_> | yes |
| 01:34 | <Peng> | Smark: Yes. |
| 01:34 | <Peng> | Smark: Unless you want SSL. |
| 01:34 | <Smark> | not important at this point |
| 01:34 | <bd_> | you can CNAME from <yourbucketname.com> to <yourbucketname.com>s3.amazonaws.com |
| 01:34 | <bd_> | er |
| 01:34 | <Peng> | Smark: But lots of people use S3. It's nothing to be embarrassed about. |
| 01:34 | <bd_> | you can CNAME from <yourbucketname.com> to <yourbucketname.com>.s3.amazonaws.com |
| 01:34 | <pharaun> | i see foo.s3.amazonaws.com all the time |
| 01:34 | <pharaun> | so i don't see the issue |
| 01:35 | <Smark> | no not saying that at all Peng, i guess from an organization standpoint or something |
| 01:36 | <Peng> | Smark: Ah, sure. (That sentence could come off as sarcastic. It was not.) |
| 01:36 | <Smark> | no need for loadbalancing or anything at all either since thats all handled by amazon. I just point it to my webspace (bucket as it is called) on S3. |
| 01:36 | <pharaun> | pretty much |
| 01:36 | <Smark> | (as far as static content) |
| 01:37 | <Peng> | Smark: Incidentally, one thing about distributed FSes is that they like to store several copies of the data for reliability -- the more servers you have, the more likely one of 'em will be down, and you don't want 1/$servers of your data to be inaccessible. |
| 01:37 | <pharaun> | Smark: most "webscale" folks i know just do static -> s3/cdn, dynamic locally |
| 01:37 | <Peng> | Smark: This increases your cost like 3 times. |
| 01:37 | <Peng> | Smark: If you use S3, it handles all of this for you, and is still relatively cheap. |
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| 01:39 | <Smark> | I expect I'll go with S3/CDN for static content (atleast the large storage requirements). Out of curiousity how do CDNs/S3 keep track of stuff then? Stick it on a random server and store the filename/location/etc in a database? |
| 01:40 | <Peng> | Smark: I believe Amazon's official position is that S3 is implemented with magic. |
| 01:40 | <pharaun> | as far as you care, its magic |
| 01:40 | <pharaun> | you stick files on it, done |
| 01:40 | <bd_> | Peng: apparently some more details were released recently! http://aws.typepad.com/aws/2012/03/amazon-s3-performance-tips-tricks-seattle-hiring-event.html |
| 01:40 | <pharaun> | and they do magic |
| 01:40 | <Peng> | bd_: Yeah, I read that. |
| 01:40 | <Peng> | Smark: See bd_'s link for some technical details about how S3 works. |
| 01:40 | <bd_> | none of that matters at all unless you're hitting a few hundred or more tps of course |
| 01:41 | <Smark> | oh no, was pure curiousity. |
| 01:41 | <Peng> | Smark: OpenStack Swift is an FOSS competitor to S3. It's probably not as well-optimized yet, but its documentation -- and source code -- would probably be worth reading if you're interested in the field. |
| 01:41 | <Smark> | Thanks Peng! I'll look into it. |
| 01:42 | <Peng> | I wonder what Wikimedia runs for their static file storage. |
| 01:43 | <pharaun> | probably cdn |
| 01:43 | <Smark> | They release ALL their configuration, so you can definitely find out |
| 01:43 | <Peng> | upload.wikimedia.org. 398 IN CNAME upload.pmtpa.wikimedia.org. |
| 01:43 | <Peng> | pharaun: Not so much |
| 01:43 | <pharaun> | including their password? :3 |
| 01:43 | <pharaun> | Peng: mmh figures :p |
| 01:43 | <Smark> | hmm so S3 basically does the "number method" above but has a much more dynamic method os splitting |
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| 01:44 | <Smark> | http://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/ |
| 01:45 | <Smark> | some of it is there. They have a special page which has it all |
| 01:46 | <Peng> | Smark: Also, if you're *really* interested in S3, Amazon is hirining. |
| 01:47 | <Smark> | https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/gitweb?p=operations/puppet.git;a=tree;f=files;h=3ddb33b07d342a19f79791c4ee913ed905cf2bf2;hb=HEAD |
| 01:47 | <Smark> | all there |
| 01:47 | <Peng> | hri...hiring. |
| 01:47 | <bd_> | Peng: every time there is any sort of internal presentation, it always ends with "... and we're hiring! <internal jobs site link>" |
| 01:47 | <bd_> | EVERY TIME |
| 01:47 | <pharaun> | without fail |
| 01:47 | <pharaun> | ive been to some pycons and they're like |
| 01:48 | <pharaun> | at the end there's a large list of people who rattle off their place of work and then say, and we're hiring! |
| 01:49 | <Peng> | http://wikitech-static.wikimedia.org/articles/u/p/l/Upload.wikimedia.org.html |
| 01:49 | <bd_> | pharaun: yeah but the thing is, even in the internal employee-only presentations, they try to poach - I mean, invite people from other teams to apply. |
| 01:49 | <pharaun> | :p |
| 01:49 | <pharaun> | pretty much |
| 01:49 | <Smark> | ok, so when serving static files between two mirrors, how do you keep them mirrored effectively? rsync? what about the times between when rsync runs? How do you know which data store is more up to date? |
| 01:50 | <bd_> | Smark: if you're using rsync synchronization, you'll want to designate a master |
| 01:50 | <bd_> | or use unison I guess, but it's much simpler if you have a master |
| 01:50 | <Smark> | then when do the slave(s) get hit? |
| 01:51 | <bd_> | You sync from master to slave. Then put DNS round-robin or a LB in front of the slaves (and the master too if you have a small fleet I guess) |
| 01:51 | <Smark> | how do you prevent a file from being requested on a slave which doesn't have it yet? |
| 01:51 | <bd_> | oh, this is dynamically added data, then? |
| 01:52 | <Smark> | yes, sorry |
| 01:52 | <Peng> | Reading my last link, Apparently Wikimedia just sticks images on really big Sun servers with 48 hard drives, Solaris and ZFS. |
| 01:52 | <Peng> | If the link is still current. |
| 01:52 | <bd_> | probably better to have a bunch of caches in front of your origin server(s) then, and hit the origin server(s) on a cache miss |
| 01:52 | <bd_> | particularly if you're only adding/removing files, never overwriting |
| 01:53 | <Peng> | Ah. Other link: http://wikitech.wikimedia.org/view/Upload.wikimedia.org |
| 01:54 | <Smark> | even then how do you know which origin server to hit? Or do you have one origin server and several caches? |
| 01:54 | <Peng> | bd_: Yeah, Wikimedia seems to use that strategy. Lots of Squid servers. |
| 01:55 | <Peng> | They looove the Squid. |
| 01:55 | <bd_> | Smark: if you have multiple origin servers then it gets complicated :) |
| 01:56 | <pharaun> | Peng: same with wikia too, except its varnish |
| 01:56 | <Peng> | Hmm, another page says that server is their *former* image server. |
| 01:56 | <Smark> | i can live with one origin and multiple cache servers, if it gets too big then you just move to S3. But multiple cache servers with one origin would be the correct way, yes? |
| 01:56 | <bd_> | that's one way I guess |
| 01:56 | <bd_> | but then what happens when your origin dies? |
| 01:57 | <pharaun> | you cry? |
| 01:57 | <bd_> | pretty much |
| 01:57 | <pharaun> | suppose you could nodebalance the origin |
| 01:57 | <Smark> | till rsync to a backup/slave and eat the dataloss since the last sync? |
| 01:57 | <Smark> | still* |
| 01:57 | <bd_> | pharaun: yeah but keeping the origins in sync is the hard part |
| 01:57 | <Peng> | Ah, it moved from ms1 to ms7. |
| 01:58 | <pharaun> | bd_: of course |
| 01:58 | <Peng> | which is another, slightly bigger Sun |
| 01:58 | <bd_> | Smark: you could also just go and see if S3 is cheap enough for your needs - they take care all of this hard stuff for you ;) |
| 01:59 | <Peng> | "We have zfs replication of our image data set up to ms8; it is running every 15 minuntes." |
| 02:01 | <Smark> | Alright everyone, I've taken notes. Thanks for your continued help! Goodnight. |
| 02:01 | <Peng> | ms1, ms7 and ms8 being names of servers, of course |
| 02:04 | <pharaun> | shame they didn't name it urmom1 urmom7 urmom8 |
| 02:05 | <Peng> | Hmm.... universal reliable media object manager |
| 02:05 | <pharaun> | yup |
| 02:05 | <pharaun> | see how it rolls of the tongue |
| 02:06 | <Peng> | http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?p=49379#49379 <- Dear god look at the regex |
| 02:06 | <pharaun> | wat |
| 02:07 | <@mikegrb> | lulz |
| 02:07 | <rnowak> | I lol'd |
| 02:08 | <pharaun> | http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lzaxmuQe3H1r5ioojo1_500.jpg |
| 02:09 | <Peng> | So...what does media.tumblr.com run, I wonder. |
| 02:09 | <bd_> | looks like akamai |
| 02:09 | <Peng> | I've seen articles about their architecture, but I'm not going to dig one up right now. |
| 02:09 | <Peng> | bd_: Oh, you're right. |
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| 02:11 | <Peng> | Speaking of long regexes, I wrote a Python one to parse RFC 3986 URI-references. https://gist.github.com/2213179 |
| 02:12 | <rnowak> | what do I get if I break it? |
| 02:12 | <Peng> | A warm, fuzzy feeling? |
| 02:12 | <rnowak> | boring |
| 02:13 | <Peng> | The IPv6 address part of the regex alone is 1.5 KB :) |
| 02:15 | <Peng> | rnowak: What did you mean by "break it"? |
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| 02:16 | <pharaun> | Peng: he means, take it out back and do unimaginable things to it so that its mind is broken |
| 02:17 | <Peng> | pharaun: If anything that would probably make it *more* sane. |
| 02:17 | <pharaun> | one does not simply make that regex sane |
| 02:18 | <pharaun> | tho its not that bad compared to the good ol' email one |
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| 02:18 | <pharaun> | v4 aint bad its the v6 that is a real joy |
| 02:18 | <Peng> | What, in email or URIs? |
| 02:20 | <rnowak> | ha ha the perl email regex, it is cute |
| 02:20 | <pharaun> | yup ^ |
| 02:20 | <danblack> | so i saw the other day even email can have an '@' in the local part. its not that simple either if you follow rfc5831 |
| 02:20 | <rnowak> | http://www.ex-parrot.com/pdw/Mail-RFC822-Address.html Peng |
| 02:20 | <pharaun> | This regular expression will only validate addresses that have had any comments stripped and replaced with whitespace (this is done by the module). |
| 02:21 | <pharaun> | :3 |
| 02:21 | <pharaun> | does that regex even handle unicode email addresses? |
| 02:22 | <pharaun> | or punny code domain names too? :p |
| 02:22 | <danblack> | even the perl regex probably doesn't exclude \127 characters the same way as \000-\031 |
| 02:22 | <rnowak> | son, you'll keep unicode out of my emails |
| 02:22 | <hawk> | unicode all of the things |
| 02:22 | <danblack> | punny code was i think compatible with rfc5831 |
| 02:23 | <rnowak> | fancypants unicode, and hipster ipv6 |
| 02:23 | <pharaun> | rnowak: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1c/Unicode_WTF_Smiley.svg/800px-Unicode_WTF_Smiley.svg.png |
| 02:23 | <rnowak> | pharaun: I don't even |
| 02:23 | <pharaun> | dont ask |
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| 02:35 | <Peng> | Stupid Firefox dark image background |
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| 04:02 | <amitz> | ask |
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| 04:04 | <dwfreed> | amitz: you killed it O.o |
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| 04:06 | <joshiee> | Perihelion what did you do?! |
| 04:06 | <Peng> | She forgot to feed the hamsters running the generator. |
| 04:06 | <joshiee> | :P |
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| 04:10 | <joshiee> | i just noticed the features page still has outdated images |
| 04:14 | <Zr40> | it also has a fancy but slightly annoying image animation |
| 04:15 | <Peng> | Where? |
| 04:15 | <Zr40> | when you click any of the images |
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| 04:16 | <Peng> | Ah, that. |
| 04:17 | <joshiee> | pretty fast for me |
| 04:17 | <marius> | wow |
| 04:17 | <marius> | I rmember that manager :o |
| 04:18 | <Zr40> | sure it's not slow, but... it first resizes vertically, then resizes horizontally and fades background, and only then fades in the image |
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| 04:18 | <Zr40> | it could do all that animation at the same time :) |
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| 05:13 | <Peng> | Necroing an earlier topic, the article about Tumblr I saw recently doesn't mention their static file setup. |
| 05:13 | <Peng> | http://highscalability.com/blog/2012/2/13/tumblr-architecture-15-billion-page-views-a-month-and-harder.html |
| 05:14 | <sirpengi> | does tumblr serve static files? |
| 05:14 | <sirpengi> | I think they put all that stuff on s3 |
| 05:14 | <sirpengi> | at least, the pictures that I post on my tumblr all resolve to s3 urls |
| 05:15 | <Peng> | sirpengi: Oh? I thought it was Akamai. |
| 05:16 | <CornishPasty> | S3, Peng |
| 05:16 | <sirpengi> | I dunno, the one on my own tumblr go to s3 |
| 05:16 | <Peng> | Huh. |
| 05:16 | <sirpengi> | well, it seems they're defined with a tumblr endpoint, but get redirected |
| 05:16 | <CornishPasty> | http://s3.amazonaws.com/data.tumblr.com/ |
| 05:16 | * | Peng doesn't use Tumblr. |
| 05:17 | <sirpengi> | in any case, that answers the question about their static file setup |
| 05:18 | <Peng> | Ah. The 500px 'thumbnails' on the, uh, stream pages are Akamai. |
| 05:18 | <Peng> | The full-size images are S3. Apparently |
| 05:19 | <Peng> | 12.media.tumblr.com = Akamai |
| 05:19 | <Peng> | It could be fronting S3, of course. |
| 05:21 | <CornishPasty> | Seems they use edge cast for the stream pages, Peng ? |
| 05:21 | <CornishPasty> | https://gs1.wac.edgecastcdn.net/8019B6/data.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1g1n6eqnD1qbybz9o2_500.jpg |
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| 05:22 | <dehed> | Hi, is there anyone I can ask questions about linode programs? |
| 05:23 | <Kyh> | !ask |
| 05:23 | <linbot> | If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient! |
| 05:23 | <praetorian> | not sure what you mean, but ^ |
| 05:24 | <Peng> | CornishPasty: Perhaps it depends on the popularity of the images. |
| 05:24 | <dehed> | OK, I mainly was wondering if there is support transferring the existing website to linode, and also what is the best option for me if I have one big main website, and a lot of other smaller websites to host |
| 05:24 | <CornishPasty> | That's true, seems like they use edgecast for smaller images, and S3 for the larger ones? |
| 05:24 | <CornishPasty> | dehed: git clone and restore db from backups? |
| 05:25 | <Peng> | CornishPasty: I see: Small image on Akamai - http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1em4b9ym71rrf1eeo1_500.jpg |
| 05:25 | <Peng> | CornishPasty: Large image links to http://www.tumblr.com/photo/1280/mozillamemes/19851036489/1/tumblr_m1em4b9ym71rrf1ee |
| 05:25 | <dehed> | CornishPasty: I'm not sure I understand what you mean... I'm quite a noob... |
| 05:25 | <Peng> | CornishPasty: Which ultimately redirects to S3 |
| 05:26 | <Peng> | CornishPasty: (With a really long URL) |
| 05:26 | <CornishPasty> | Hmm yeah |
| 05:26 | <@akerl> | dehed: Linodes are self-managed, so you'd be responsible for setting up your server and such |
| 05:26 | <Kyh> | dehed: linode's are basically selfmanaged linux boxes |
| 05:26 | <Peng> | CornishPasty: It's entirely possible they mix CDNs. I notice your image is SSL, too. |
| 05:26 | <CornishPasty> | Yeah, probably to save on costs depending on which is best for that particular image? |
| 05:27 | <CornishPasty> | i.e. akamai may have low transit costs, but high storage costs, whereas others may have low storage but higher transit.. |
| 05:27 | <dehed> | one for the main website and one for all the others?) |
| 05:28 | <dehed> | Oh, my message got cut off |
| 05:28 | <Santo> | lee.. |
| 05:28 | <Santo> | erhm nvm |
| 05:28 | <praetorian> | also akamai might be better in certain parts of the world vs others |
| 05:28 | <praetorian> | eg akamai is in .au but nothing else is |
| 05:28 | <CornishPasty> | Hm, true |
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| 05:29 | <CornishPasty> | dehed: it depends on the traffic of the main site, surely? |
| 05:30 | <praetorian> | akerl: http://schwag.archlinux.ca/product/lanyard/ |
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| 05:37 | <@akerl> | praetorian: I still want an Arch flag :) |
| 05:38 | <praetorian> | heh |
| 05:40 | <chesty> | praetorian: if I buy you an arch lanyard, will you hang yourself from it? |
| 05:40 | <@akerl> | o.O |
| 05:40 | <praetorian> | chesty: usually not |
| 05:40 | <praetorian> | i usually hang small children |
| 05:41 | <chesty> | akerl: praetorian says mean things to me all the time, I'm just paying one back |
| 05:41 | <@akerl> | chesty: I have no idea what you're talking about. everyone here is so nice |
| 05:41 | <chesty> | stfu |
| 05:42 | <praetorian> | akerl: obviously you dont include SpaceHobo in those figures |
| 05:42 | <praetorian> | :> |
| 05:42 | <chesty> | SpaceHobo rocks |
| 05:42 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 05:42 | <chesty> | GET UP |
| 05:42 | <praetorian> | chesty send me your address. im going to post you an arch linux lanyard when it arrives |
| 05:42 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 05:42 | <chesty> | praetorian: 127.0.0.1 |
| 05:42 | <praetorian> | c/o 255.255.255.0? |
| 05:43 | <chesty> | like a sex machine |
| 05:43 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 05:43 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 05:43 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 05:43 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 05:43 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 05:43 | <praetorian> | SpaceHobo: Don't stop, never give up. hold your head high and reach the top |
| 05:43 | <dwfreed> | chesty: I prefer 10.42.42.0/24 |
| 05:45 | <chesty> | dwfreed: yeah, I noticed you used that range |
| 05:47 | <chesty> | SpaceHobo: I saw a crystal meth head, sores all over his body, trying to buy a burner at the local supermarket without ID. was that you? |
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| 05:48 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 05:48 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 05:49 | <chesty> | SpaceHobo: nah, it was a $2 SIM card, but burner sounded better |
| 05:49 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 05:50 | <chesty> | yes, in au and usa, I assumed every country |
| 05:50 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 05:50 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 05:50 | <chesty> | the drug dealers must love it |
| 05:51 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 05:51 | <Peng> | You need ID to buy a SIM in US? Good to know. |
| 05:51 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 05:51 | <chesty> | praetorian: my info comes from the wire |
| 05:51 | <chesty> | Peng: ^ |
| 05:51 | <Peng> | chesty: Ha |
| 05:56 | <chesty> | actually, I'm not sure if ID was required now in the wire, they used to drive all over the state buying burners every 2 weeks though |
| 05:56 | <linbot> | New news from forums: Your IP Addresses Allocation Stinks! in Feature Request/Bug Report <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=8432>; |
| 05:56 | <@mikegrb> | lulz |
| 05:56 | <Kyh> | lol what |
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| 05:59 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 06:00 | <amitz> | id for sim card? heh, here in ind.... |
| 06:00 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 06:00 | <amitz> | SpaceHobo: nah, i'm referring to a long running joke i'm pulling on an ex-#linode-r. |
| 06:01 | <Peng> | "can't get none" :X |
| 06:01 | <amitz> | ask chesty, he provoked me to it. |
| 06:03 | <chesty> | there's this arse hat that asked amitz what country he was from, then answered himself with, oh i remember, india. so we just went with it and amitz now lives in india |
| 06:04 | <amitz> | and i never lie, not a single time, while keep misleading him as if i'm from india :-p |
| 06:04 | <Peng> | Next year amitz moves to Indiana? |
| 06:06 | <amitz> | Peng: you should see the log. at one time, i explicitly said i'm not indian, but with misleading context hence he missed the hint :)) |
| 06:06 | <amitz> | it was entertaining. |
| 06:08 | <amitz> | it's a bit boring now, but it's probably a temporary thing. |
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| 06:31 | <igufi> | What would be a good ssh client for windows if I would like to use something else than putty? |
| 06:32 | <joshiee> | Zoc/cygwin+mintty |
| 06:32 | <joshiee> | i use both |
| 06:32 | <@akerl> | Virtualbox :) |
| 06:32 | <Kyh> | igufi: kitty |
| 06:33 | <igufi> | Kyh: is there any difference to putty? |
| 06:33 | <joshiee> | is it sad that virtualbox runs better than openvz? |
| 06:33 | <Kyh> | tharkun: It's a fork and has some improvements |
| 06:34 | <igufi> | Zoc looks impressive but with a 80USD price tag :-/ |
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| 06:41 | <CornishPasty> | Woah, $80 for something that's built-in to OS X? |
| 06:42 | <@akerl> | What's built into osx? |
| 06:42 | <joshiee> | it has a few lazy features |
| 06:42 | <Kyh> | ssh client |
| 06:42 | <joshiee> | that the standard terminal does not |
| 06:42 | <Kyh> | such as? |
| 06:42 | <joshiee> | reading the features page might tell you |
| 06:42 | <igufi> | another thing that would be nice to have on the client is support for OpenPGP card for authentication |
| 06:43 | <joshiee> | i only got zoc from my job so yeah |
| 06:43 | <Kyh> | "openpgp card"? |
| 06:43 | <Zr40> | most of those features seem kind of gimmicky |
| 06:43 | <CornishPasty> | I wonder whether it uses PuTTY on Windows? |
| 06:44 | <igufi> | Kyh: http://www.g10code.com/p-card.html |
| 06:44 | <joshiee> | http://www.emtec.com/cgi-local/screenshot.cgi?img=../images/zoc/us/mainwin2.png |
| 06:44 | <joshiee> | useful things like that |
| 06:44 | <joshiee> | and, the tabs |
| 06:44 | <Peng> | I hope you can't stick "../../../../../../etc/passwd" in that URL... |
| 06:45 | <Kyh> | Lets find out! |
| 06:45 | <CornishPasty> | try it peng |
| 06:45 | <Zr40> | joshiee: OSX terminal has had tabs for as long as I can remember |
| 06:45 | <CornishPasty> | Zr40: indeed |
| 06:45 | <praetorian> | seemingly not peng |
| 06:45 | <joshiee> | i'm not using osx |
| 06:45 | <joshiee> | ;P |
| 06:45 | <CornishPasty> | Does it support zsh, joshiee? |
| 06:45 | <CornishPasty> | (on the local machine) |
| 06:45 | <joshiee> | yes |
| 06:46 | <joshiee> | it should |
| 06:46 | <praetorian> | whats so cool about that image |
| 06:46 | <praetorian> | btw |
| 06:46 | <CornishPasty> | I don't know praetorian, but it costs $80US! |
| 06:46 | <joshiee> | thumbnailed tabs |
| 06:46 | <Zr40> | praetorian: probably the same as what's so cool about firefox's tabbed tabs tab thingy |
| 06:46 | <praetorian> | i must admit, the ssh client i use at work, is SecureCRT |
| 06:47 | <CornishPasty> | I use opens at work |
| 06:47 | <joshiee> | and it has its own scripting language/tool |
| 06:47 | <CornishPasty> | openssh* |
| 06:47 | <praetorian> | when i spend my days ssh'd into 10's of systems .. putty got annoying |
| 06:47 | <joshiee> | ^ |
| 06:47 | <praetorian> | i must admit, its not great for workhouse stuff |
| 06:47 | <praetorian> | but zoc looks like crap |
| 06:47 | <praetorian> | :P |
| 06:48 | <CornishPasty> | Get a real OS then, praetorian :P |
| 06:48 | <praetorian> | CornishPasty: if only i could use my mac. |
| 06:48 | <praetorian> | ;> |
| 06:48 | <praetorian> | iterm2 ftv. |
| 06:48 | <praetorian> | ftw |
| 06:48 | <CornishPasty> | Hmm, I can use AppleScript with Terminal.app... What's this about a custom scripting language, joshiee? |
| 06:49 | <praetorian> | tell "finder" to "stfu" |
| 06:49 | <CornishPasty> | Haha |
| 06:49 | <igufi> | Well, secureCRT seems to support smartcard authentication but it's even more expensive at 99USD :) |
| 06:49 | <Zr40> | if you require smartcard auth, $99 isn't expensive any longer |
| 06:50 | <igufi> | it's free with putty via patch but yeah .. as I'm trying to find an alternative to putty |
| 06:50 | <praetorian> | find me something that does putty decently in tabs |
| 06:50 | <praetorian> | i could not find anything decent |
| 06:50 | <igufi> | there is something called superputty that is "putty with tabs" |
| 06:51 | <Zr40> | praetorian: any unix-based system with a GUI |
| 06:51 | <igufi> | https://github.com/hanej/SuperPuTTY |
| 06:51 | <praetorian> | Zr40: thank you . back to sleep. |
| 06:51 | <praetorian> | igufi: he has added so many features his git repo is empty. |
| 06:51 | <praetorian> | :P |
| 06:52 | <igufi> | try this https://code.google.com/p/superputty/ |
| 06:52 | <praetorian> | nod |
| 06:52 | <joshiee> | http://i.imgur.com/n5V2E.png |
| 06:52 | <igufi> | I pulled the wrong link from my browser's history.. |
| 06:52 | <praetorian> | looks ok |
| 06:52 | <praetorian> | but it steals alot of chrome |
| 06:53 | <hawk> | !alot |
| 06:53 | <linbot> | http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.com/2010/04/alot-is-better-than-you-at-everything.html | http://e-cabi.net/alot.jpg |
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| 06:53 | <praetorian> | wonder how customisable that is |
| 06:53 | <praetorian> | thanks hawk :p |
| 06:53 | <hawk> | praetorian: np |
| 06:53 | <Kyh> | !SETUP |
| 06:53 | <linbot> | setup is not a verb. Please see http://notaverb.com/setup |
| 06:53 | <Kyh> | hrr |
| 06:53 | <praetorian> | !pastebin |
| 06:53 | <linbot> | Maybe not a verb. But you can do it here: http://p.linode.com |
| 06:53 | <@mikegrb> | mmm bacon |
| 06:53 | <Kyh> | !bacon |
| 06:53 | <linbot> | Bacon is what makes food good! |
| 06:53 | <@mikegrb> | mmm bacon |
| 06:53 | <Zr40> | yay bacon |
| 06:53 | <joshiee> | !failing |
| 06:54 | <Kyh> | !login |
| 06:54 | <Zr40> | !logon |
| 06:54 | <Kyh> | yay login is a verg! |
| 06:54 | <linbot> | login is not a verb - http://loginisnotaverb.com/ |
| 06:54 | <Kyh> | s/g/b |
| 06:54 | <praetorian> | !chesty |
| 06:54 | <Zr40> | !botsnack :) |
| 06:54 | <Kyh> | bah! slow linbot |
| 06:54 | <linbot> | Thanks, Zr40! Om nom nom |
| 06:54 | <retro|blah> | How do I lodged on? |
| 06:54 | <Kyh> | !backup |
| 06:54 | <linbot> | Backup is not a verb. Please see http://notaverb.com/backup |
| 06:54 | <Zr40> | retro|blah: use /lodgeon |
| 06:54 | <joshiee> | !rm -rf |
| 06:54 | <linbot> | http://noobfarm.org/viewquote.php?id=974 |
| 06:54 | <joshiee> | looool |
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| 06:55 | <chesty> | !derp |
| 06:55 | <linbot> | derpy deeds, done derp cheap |
| 06:55 | <praetorian> | igufi: superputty looks like it is putty connection manager |
| 06:55 | <praetorian> | http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/the-geek-blog/get-tabs-for-your-putty/ |
| 06:57 | <Peng> | "MySQL it difficult to scale out, so having an ability to use some scalable database like mongodb would be a good option." :D |
| 06:58 | <CornishPasty> | Peng: wat? |
| 06:58 | <dwfreed> | um, tumblr uses MySQL, scales just fine for them |
| 06:58 | <Peng> | CornishPasty: It's a quote. |
| 06:58 | <Peng> | I saw it on a website. :) |
| 06:59 | <joshiee> | nah lets use some good ole windows sql |
| 06:59 | <joshiee> | hahaha not.. |
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| 07:03 | <Zr40> | woah, nice. irssi survived a sleep -> wake -> wifi reconnect :) |
| 07:04 | <CornishPasty> | nice Zr40 |
| 07:07 | <Peng> | TCP++ |
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| 07:11 | <Zr40> | depends on the implementation though |
| 07:11 | <Zr40> | the TCP implementation could just decide to reset the connection because the link was gone |
| 07:15 | <Peng> | If I wrote a TCP implementation, it would kill -9 everything with an open connection when the link goes down, just to be safe :) |
| 07:15 | <vodka> | -11 |
| 07:22 | <dwfreed> | vodka: you don't want to send a signal that'll produce a core dump, because then the programmer will be able to determine why the signal was sent |
| 07:22 | <vodka> | you mean he won't be able to ~? :) |
| 07:22 | <dwfreed> | and you don't want the program to be able to ignore it, so -9 is the only option |
| 07:23 | <vodka> | I have spotted some lovely botnet processes in the past that gleefully ignore -9 |
| 07:24 | <dwfreed> | They can't, unless they're in D-state |
| 07:24 | <dwfreed> | "The signals SIGKILL and SIGSTOP cannot be caught, blocked, or ignored." |
| 07:24 | <Peng> | Send syscall 0f05 to be extra safe. |
| 07:25 | <dwfreed> | Peng: do I want to know which one that is? |
| 07:25 | <Peng> | dwfreed: It's the "crash KVM guests" one. |
| 07:25 | <dwfreed> | nice |
| 07:25 | <Peng> | dwfreed: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=773370 |
| 07:25 | <Peng> | Someone linked it here earlier :) |
| 07:26 | <Peng> | s/0f05/opcode 0f05/ |
| 07:30 | <dwfreed> | I think I saw it earlier, just never read the bug report |
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| 09:52 | <igufi> | I have a tmux session running and I detached it and closed the ssh session. Now I'm back and when I try to do tmux attach I get "no sessions" but I can see the tmux running via ps -ux .. what am I doing wrong? |
| 09:52 | <EugeneKay> | Using tmux. |
| 09:52 | * | EugeneKay hides under rock |
| 09:53 | <igufi> | I'm happy with screen too but I like the panels on tmux but if this keeps happening I don't think I'll risk it.. |
| 09:54 | <igufi> | I can also see /tmp/tmux-1000 |
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| 09:55 | <mwalling> | igufi: you could always kill tmux... :/ |
| 09:55 | <@akerl> | tmux attach-session ? |
| 09:55 | <@akerl> | Are you logged in as the same user? |
| 09:56 | <igufi> | akerl: yes, same user as shown via ps -ux |
| 09:56 | <igufi> | and the owner of /tmp/tmux-1000 |
| 09:57 | <@akerl> | what does "tmux list-sessions" output? |
| 09:58 | <igufi> | "failed to connect to server: Connection refused" |
| 09:58 | <@akerl> | :/ |
| 10:03 | <XReaper> | weird? |
| 10:03 | <XReaper> | install arch! all problems solved! |
| 10:03 | <EugeneKay> | !arch |
| 10:03 | <linbot> | The Romans used Arch. Worked out GREAT for their civilization. |
| 10:03 | <dominikh> | ... |
| 10:03 | <dominikh> | wow |
| 10:03 | <XReaper> | one day |
| 10:03 | <EugeneKay> | I still don't know what that means. |
| 10:03 | <XReaper> | somebody will do what i tell them to do |
| 10:04 | <XReaper> | the romans died out |
| 10:04 | <XReaper> | duh |
| 10:04 | <XReaper> | the rolling release model of arch it not good for a server |
| 10:04 | <EugeneKay> | "not good" is putting it lightly |
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| 10:06 | <@mikegrb> | mmm cake |
| 10:06 | <XReaper> | EugeneKay: have some cake on me |
| 10:06 | <XReaper> | and a slice of bacom |
| 10:06 | <@mikegrb> | mmm bacon |
| 10:06 | <XReaper> | *bacon |
| 10:07 | <@mikegrb> | lulz |
| 10:07 | <XReaper> | maybe some lol |
| 10:07 | <EugeneKay> | Right after I get my rnoawk shaved. |
| 10:07 | <XReaper> | lolkay... |
| 10:07 | <XReaper> | is the lulz guy ever on here |
| 10:08 | <XReaper> | or is he just in here to be annoying |
| 10:09 | <EugeneKay> | I've never seen 'im |
| 10:10 | <XReaper> | he's a netop |
| 10:10 | <XReaper> | i know that much |
| 10:11 | <Peng> | He works at Linode. |
| 10:11 | <XReaper> | And is a netop? |
| 10:11 | <XReaper> | Mmm... |
| 10:11 | <XReaper> | I see what is going on here |
| 10:11 | <XReaper> | :P |
| 10:12 | <BP{k}> | he's a LinOp! |
| 10:12 | <XReaper> | linode has control over the network they have their channel in |
| 10:12 | <XReaper> | how quaint |
| 10:13 | <Peng> | XReaper: As a netop I don't believe he is officially representing Linode. |
| 10:13 | <CornishPasty> | Isn't that because they provide an irc server, XReaper? |
| 10:13 | <XReaper> | CornishPasty: i see |
| 10:13 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 10:13 | <XReaper> | He's representing linodes server |
| 10:13 | <XReaper> | :P |
| 10:13 | <XReaper> | ha |
| 10:14 | <XReaper> | lindoe needs to be less awesome |
| 10:14 | <XReaper> | :( |
| 10:14 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 10:14 | <linbot> | IRC supports complete sentences. Less <CR> more content, please. |
| 10:14 | <squircle> | <3 lindoe |
| 10:14 | <CornishPasty> | Man, the OFTC site sucks |
| 10:14 | <XReaper> | nvm... EsperNet has has one of their servers on a linode on Dallas (my DC <3) |
| 10:14 | <Peng> | CornishPasty & XReaper: On OFTC, server owners are not granted special status. |
| 10:14 | <XReaper> | Peng: i know this |
| 10:14 | <XReaper> | i |
| 10:14 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 10:14 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 10:15 | <XReaper> | ve read the crappy site :( |
| 10:15 | <CornishPasty> | Peng: wat? |
| 10:15 | <XReaper> | CornishPasty: you supply a box |
| 10:15 | <XReaper> | they use it |
| 10:15 | <XReaper> | end of stort |
| 10:15 | <XReaper> | *story |
| 10:15 | <XReaper> | EFNet is worse |
| 10:15 | <XReaper> | no services |
| 10:15 | <XReaper> | caos |
| 10:15 | <XReaper> | *chaos |
| 10:15 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 10:16 | <CornishPasty> | XReaper: that's a bit silly |
| 10:16 | <XReaper> | CornishPasty: whats a bit silly? |
| 10:17 | <CornishPasty> | Well, if someone who provided a server got angry, they could cause damage by elevating themselves... |
| 10:17 | <XReaper> | CornishPasty: and be de-linked |
| 10:17 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 10:17 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 10:17 | <XReaper> | Offering a server does not gain any benefits whatsoever |
| 10:17 | <Peng> | XReaper: Warm fuzzies |
| 10:17 | <XReaper> | Bout it |
| 10:17 | <CornishPasty> | XReaper: not before they could cause issues... |
| 10:18 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 10:18 | <linbot> | I'm leaving Linode for the cloud! |
| 10:18 | <XReaper> | Espernet got all their servers null-routed once |
| 10:18 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 10:18 | <XReaper> | every |
| 10:18 | <XReaper> | single |
| 10:18 | <XReaper> | one |
| 10:18 | <XReaper> | !to XReaper bomb |
| 10:18 | <linbot> | XReaper: http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2010/06/03/us/jp-NUKE.html |
| 10:18 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 10:18 | <XReaper> | SpaceHobo: get it right |
| 10:18 | <XReaper> | :P |
| 10:18 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 10:18 | <linbot> | XReaper: IRC supports complete sentences. Less <CR> more content, please. |
| 10:18 | <Nivex> | ah, I did not know about !to. Will have to keep that one in mind. |
| 10:19 | <XReaper> | i like the <enter> my favourite key :D |
| 10:19 | <Peng> | XReaper: MINE IS CAPS LOCK |
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| 10:19 | <XReaper> | SpaceHobo: tell pm's me |
| 10:19 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 10:19 | <XReaper> | WHAT IS THIS MAGICAL KEY? NEVER KNEW IT EXISTED :D |
| 10:19 | <CornishPasty> | Peng: mInE tOoOoO! |
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| 10:19 | <XReaper> | SpaceHobo: Uhm... |
| 10:19 | <XReaper> | :( |
| 10:19 | <amitz> | mine are the letter E N T R P I S |
| 10:20 | <Nivex> | enterpiss? |
| 10:20 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 10:20 | <vegardx> | Enterpricy |
| 10:20 | <CornishPasty> | I JuST haVE to PRESs iT alL thE TIme! |
| 10:20 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 10:20 | <Peng> | XReaper: http://qdb.us/297667 |
| 10:20 | <XReaper> | L I N O D E should apply for a gTLD |
| 10:20 | <@mikegrb> | lulz |
| 10:20 | <CornishPasty> | lol Peng |
| 10:20 | <XReaper> | OH GOD |
| 10:21 | <XReaper> | porn.linode would be interesting... |
| 10:21 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 10:22 | <Peng> | Is the entire channel drunk this morning? |
| 10:22 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 10:22 | <@heckman> | Well, I'm glad I jumped on IRC from the airport to see that |
| 10:22 | <@heckman> | My day is complete... |
| 10:23 | <XReaper> | Peng: its 1:23AM |
| 10:23 | <XReaper> | So... |
| 10:23 | <XReaper> | maybe |
| 10:23 | <XReaper> | heckman: hi :D |
| 10:23 | <XReaper> | :P |
| 10:23 | <@heckman> | Hello |
| 10:23 | <Peng> | It's morning Linode Time, and that's what matters! |
| 10:23 | <@heckman> | Ugh, I was up before the buttcrack of dawn today |
| 10:23 | * | XReaper wonders what linode time is |
| 10:23 | <@heckman> | 10:23a |
| 10:24 | <Peng> | XReaper: America/New_York |
| 10:24 | <XReaper> | icantclickit |
| 10:24 | <XReaper> | guesswhatkeyismissing |
| 10:24 | <Peng> | ` |
| 10:25 | <XReaper> | mmm.well.i'd.better.be.going.to.sleep |
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| 10:26 | <igufi> | Hmmh, I think I did something very stupid as I tried to upgrade tmux. Ubuntu 10.04 has a fairly old version of tmux available and it has some issues with putty so I wanted a newer version. |
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| 10:27 | <igufi> | I wgetted the tar package, untarred it and did sudo ./configure and make install and all went well |
| 10:27 | <@heckman> | igufi: bug fixes are usually ported back to the version on there. |
| 10:27 | <igufi> | but apparently that did not update the package |
| 10:27 | <Peng> | heckman: Really? It's in universe |
| 10:28 | <@heckman> | Oh, I didn't realize it was in universe |
| 10:28 | <igufi> | now I tried to remove it via apt-get --purge remove and of it went but when I ran "tmux" it happily loaded again.. |
| 10:28 | <@mikegrb> | lulz |
| 10:28 | <XReaper> | lol |
| 10:28 | <@heckman> | That's because you install it from source... |
| 10:28 | <XReaper> | don't randomly install from source |
| 10:28 | <@heckman> | s/install/installed |
| 10:28 | <@heckman> | / |
| 10:28 | <XReaper> | it breakes thingks |
| 10:29 | <auraka> | !cloud |
| 10:29 | <linbot> | I'm leaving Linode for the cloud! |
| 10:29 | <igufi> | I'm new. but I realize that's no exuce.. |
| 10:29 | <igufi> | excuse even |
| 10:29 | <@heckman> | igufi: You could go back in to the folder you extracted to see if make uninstall works |
| 10:29 | <igufi> | mind you this linode is just for playing around so no harm done as such.. |
| 10:29 | <igufi> | heckman: yeah, I'll try that next |
| 10:30 | <igufi> | But for future reference, things would have been ok if I just apt-get --purge remove'd first and then installed from the source? |
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| 10:34 | <igufi> | well, make uninstall just removed a couple of folders and no error messages |
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| 10:37 | <@heckman> | Hopefully that worked |
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| 10:41 | <igufi> | Well, I'll know when I'll try to re-attach the session again.. :) |
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| 12:11 | <linbot> | New news from forums: How-to run the stock Arch Linux kernel (3.x) on Linode in Linux Tips, Tricks, Tutorials <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=8376>; |
| 12:12 | <Katana> | inb4"ARCH" |
| 12:12 | <XReaper> | Um |
| 12:12 | <XReaper> | I should go on there and say |
| 12:12 | <XReaper> | DON'T |
| 12:12 | <@mikegrb> | lulz |
| 12:12 | <XReaper> | lol |
| 12:12 | <XReaper> | i run linode kernels on my arch install |
| 12:13 | <Katana> | i run arch kernels in my popcorn machine |
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| 12:13 | <XReaper> | !arch |
| 12:13 | <linbot> | The Romans used Arch. Worked out GREAT for their civilization. |
| 12:13 | <XReaper> | everyone disses arch |
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| 12:14 | <Katana> | occupy the arch |
| 12:15 | <karstensrage> | were there any potential issues that might have affected time synchronization in the newark datacenter around 14:00 eastern? |
| 12:15 | <XReaper> | topic for #archlinux on freenode "Welcome to Arch Linux World Domination, Inc." |
| 12:15 | <Tea> | You be dissin' Arch I be kissin' it |
| 12:15 | <karstensrage> | yesterday |
| 12:15 | <XReaper> | no idea... |
| 12:15 | <XReaper> | i don't think linode uses ntp |
| 12:16 | <XReaper> | bah forget what i wrote |
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| 12:16 | <squircle> | karstensrage: time synchronization of what? hosts? your linodes? |
| 12:16 | <XReaper> | i'm tired |
| 12:16 | <karstensrage> | i have ntp running on my vps but my understanding is that my vps is just a slice of some real hardware that also has a clock |
| 12:16 | <karstensrage> | squircle: yes, my vps hosts running on linode |
| 12:17 | <karstensrage> | what is the difference between host and linodes |
| 12:17 | <squircle> | karstensrage: well, I was making the host/VM distinction |
| 12:17 | <Peng> | karstensrage: Unless you're running the incredibly old 2.6.18 kernel, your node's clock is independent from the host's. |
| 12:17 | <squircle> | karstensrage: the host has a clock, but your linode doesn't use it. it uses a xen-provided clock that is unique to each instance |
| 12:17 | <squircle> | so what Peng said |
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| 12:17 | <karstensrage> | ubuntu 10.04 i think |
| 12:17 | <karstensrage> | not sure what kernel |
| 12:18 | <Peng> | karstensrage: uname -a |
| 12:19 | * | karstensrage fires up lish |
| 12:19 | <Peng> | karstensrage: uname -r is more concise, actually. |
| 12:19 | <Peng> | karstensrage: Not normal ssh? |
| 12:19 | <karstensrage> | no ssh access |
| 12:20 | <Peng> | o_O |
| 12:20 | <vegardx> | that's a first! |
| 12:20 | <purrdeta> | some companies and epublic places block ssh |
| 12:21 | <XReaper> | lish ajax is awesome |
| 12:21 | <XReaper> | cept my logging program has been set to wall everything to hvc0 |
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| 12:24 | <Katana> | i wall everything to /dev/null |
| 12:25 | <Katana> | it's a great way to log |
| 12:28 | <karstensrage> | i purposely shut off ssh, no password access only public key and i dont have the public key here |
| 12:29 | <Peng> | Ah. |
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| 12:31 | <karstensrage> | 3.0.4-linode38 |
| 12:31 | <karstensrage> | 11.04 |
| 12:32 | <XReaper> | 11.04 dies in a few days/weeks |
| 12:33 | <martin-> | dies? |
| 12:33 | <EugeneKay> | EOL |
| 12:34 | <martin-> | isn't it 1.5 years for regular releases? |
| 12:34 | <squircle> | October 2012 |
| 12:34 | <squircle> | is EOL for 11.04 |
| 12:34 | <martin-> | right |
| 12:34 | <martin-> | 10.10 however, ends in april :/ |
| 12:34 | <squircle> | it may be days/weeks in Australia for XReaper, but it's a couple of months everywhere else |
| 12:34 | <karstensrage> | well the time is fine right now but i saw an anomaly yesterday at around 14:00 |
| 12:34 | <martin-> | means I have to reboot/rebuild my linode I guess |
| 12:35 | <karstensrage> | im just wondering if there was anything going on that might explain the anomaly |
| 12:35 | <squircle> | karstensrage: can you describe the anomaly? |
| 12:35 | <karstensrage> | time being off by a few seconds |
| 12:35 | <XReaper> | oh? i didn't know it was 1.5 yrs |
| 12:36 | <XReaper> | theres a box i have access to running 8.04.3 |
| 12:36 | <XReaper> | THAT dies in april |
| 12:36 | <squircle> | XReaper: april 2013 |
| 12:36 | <squircle> | so a year from now |
| 12:36 | <XReaper> | oh |
| 12:36 | <@mikegrb> | lulz |
| 12:36 | <XReaper> | lol |
| 12:36 | <squircle> | karstensrage: well clock drift happens sometimes... it depends on how often you update ntp |
| 12:36 | <XReaper> | my dates are screwed |
| 12:36 | <squircle> | XReaper: 10.10 dies next month |
| 12:36 | <Zr40> | squircle: ntpd |
| 12:36 | <XReaper> | :P |
| 12:36 | <squircle> | yeah, yeah. |
| 12:36 | <XReaper> | i forgot i was in 2012 |
| 12:36 | <XReaper> | :P |
| 12:37 | <XReaper> | I run arch... |
| 12:37 | <Peng> | squircle: "update ntp"? huh? |
| 12:37 | <XReaper> | and don't !arch me |
| 12:37 | <XReaper> | had it enough times |
| 12:38 | <Zr40> | !to XReaper arch |
| 12:38 | <linbot> | XReaper: The Romans used Arch. Worked out GREAT for their civilization. |
| 12:38 | <squircle> | karstensrage: it depends on how often your system's clock is updated by ntpd |
| 12:38 | <squircle> | Peng: I sincerely apologize for my lack of coherence. |
| 12:38 | <Peng> | squircle: ntpd updates the clock constantly. |
| 12:38 | <karstensrage> | im checking that out |
| 12:38 | <squircle> | oh |
| 12:38 | <Peng> | squircle: Well, once per second, I think. |
| 12:38 | <XReaper> | squircle: i use ntpd on all my boxen |
| 12:38 | <squircle> | well you learn something new every day |
| 12:39 | <Zr40> | Peng: once per what it thinks is a second |
| 12:39 | <Peng> | Zr40: D: |
| 12:39 | <XReaper> | squircle: ntpd also uses pings and shit to account for error |
| 12:39 | <squircle> | that much I knew |
| 12:39 | <squircle> | at least I know what year it is, XReaper :P |
| 12:39 | <Zr40> | http://time.is/ |
| 12:40 | <@mikegrb> | lulz |
| 12:40 | <XReaper> | lol |
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| 12:40 | <XReaper> | No idea how i thought 5 = 4 |
| 12:41 | <Peng> | XReaper: It doesn't actually ping. It just measures the RTT of its UDP packets. |
| 12:41 | <Zr40> | Peng: ping doesn't actually ping. It just measures the RTT of its ICMP packets. |
| 12:41 | <Peng> | XReaper: Which is a pretty inaccurate measure, because routes are frequently asymmetric. |
| 12:42 | <Zr40> | a well-configured ntpd uses multiple ntp servers |
| 12:42 | <XReaper> | yeah |
| 12:42 | <squircle> | so using linsides' server exclusively is a Bad Idea™? |
| 12:42 | <XReaper> | and can cross-compare |
| 12:43 | * | squircle changes his ntpd.conf |
| 12:43 | <Peng> | Use at least 4. |
| 12:43 | <Peng> | Actually, use precisely 4. |
| 12:43 | <XReaper> | squircle: linode hosts don't care about the xen-instances |
| 12:43 | <Peng> | Maybe 5, if you really want to. |
| 12:43 | <squircle> | XReaper: you're right, they don't. |
| 12:43 | <XReaper> | my domain has 10 ns records |
| 12:44 | <Peng> | XReaper: . has more! |
| 12:44 | <Zr40> | squircle: it's not a Bad Idea™ if you don't depend on the clock being very accurate |
| 12:44 | <XReaper> | ie... don't mind if in a day the clock is a week off |
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| 12:45 | <Zr40> | that won't even happen with a ntpd configured to use only a single server |
| 12:45 | <Zr40> | the difference would be at most the RTT |
| 12:46 | <Peng> | Zr40: Unless the server is off. |
| 12:46 | <Zr40> | Peng: the difference with the server. |
| 12:46 | <Peng> | Zr40: Well, yes. But normally you care about Earth-time, not some-NTP-server-time. |
| 12:46 | <Zr40> | Peng: but that's exactly what you're doing when you're using NTP |
| 12:47 | <Peng> | Zr40: But you use several servers in order to probably get a good approximation of UTC, even if one or two of them suck. |
| 12:48 | <hawk> | If you have the ntp server in the local network the rtt will be very low and thus all of this much less of an issue, no? |
| 12:48 | <Zr40> | Peng: that's irrelevant. I can use several servers which all use Zr40 time and still not get a good approximation of UTC |
| 12:48 | <Peng> | hawk: Depends on what "all of this" we're talking about. |
| 12:48 | <Peng> | hawk: I, for one, don't know. |
| 12:49 | <Zr40> | hawk: it's only a real issue if you depend on the clock being synchronized with other systems |
| 12:49 | <Zr40> | if you just want to be accurate within, say, a few milliseconds, one server is quite okay (though there's really no disadvantage to using more) |
| 12:51 | <hawk> | Peng: Well, not exactly sure what could be included in "all of this", so that was probably poor wording, but I meant the error introduced from ntp itself and in particular with regard to only using for instance one of these Linsides servers. |
| 12:51 | <Peng> | Zr40: As long as that server never goes down. And is always within a few milliseconds of what you want to be accurate relative to. |
| 12:51 | <Zr40> | Peng: if it goes down, the clock doesn't suddenly start drifting wildly (especially if you keep your own ntpd running) |
| 12:51 | <Peng> | Zr40: True. |
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| 12:52 | <Peng> | Using 1 NTP server means you get no time service if 1 of your NTP servers goes down, and it will be difficult/impossible for NTP to tell if any of your time servers have gone crazy. |
| 12:52 | <purrdeta> | My clock does. If it cant reach a server it automagically adds or subtracts rand(0,10294858) seconds. Just for fun! |
| 12:52 | <Peng> | Using 3, 4, 5 or 7 guards against those issues to an increasing degree. |
| 12:52 | <Peng> | If you like single points of failure, be my guest. |
| 12:54 | <Zr40> | anyway |
| 12:55 | <hawk> | Anyway, the error introduced is something like half the difference between the two trips, right? |
| 12:55 | <Zr40> | I don't know if the Linode Arch image came with ntpd or that I installed it myself, but its config defaults to three pool.ntp.org servers |
| 12:55 | <purrdeta> | oh arch :P |
| 12:55 | <Zr40> | hawk: at most half |
| 12:55 | <SnoFox> | Speaking of ntp, |
| 12:55 | <SnoFox> | Why does my laptop now think it's an hour behind since the last reboot? |
| 12:55 | <Zr40> | hawk: plus the error on the server |
| 12:56 | <Zr40> | SnoFox: daylight savings? |
| 12:56 | <Zr40> | SnoFox: plus dual boot? |
| 12:56 | <SnoFox> | I sense it has something to do daylight savings, but ... Shouldn't NTP deal with that? |
| 12:56 | <hawk> | Zr40: The error on the server?! Crazy talk! The server is magic! |
| 12:56 | <SnoFox> | No, no dual boot. |
| 12:56 | <Zr40> | hawk: so, magic + half the round trip :) |
| 12:56 | <Zr40> | SnoFox: are you running Windows? |
| 12:56 | <SnoFox> | Zr40: No |
| 12:57 | <Zr40> | SnoFox: using the correct time zone? |
| 12:57 | <SnoFox> | Hrm |
| 12:57 | * | SnoFox went derp face |
| 12:57 | <SnoFox> | Apparently ntpd != ntp-client |
| 12:57 | <SnoFox> | I thought "ntp was running", but ntpd was running. |
| 12:57 | <Zr40> | ntp-client = one-time time sync |
| 12:58 | <Zr40> | ntpd = continuous sync with optional server |
| 12:58 | <SnoFox> | ntp-client fixed it although ntpd was already running |
| 12:58 | <Zr40> | I believe ntp-client doesn't actually do anything if ntpd is running |
| 12:59 | <SnoFox> | http://p.ext3.net/976 - it did something :) |
| 12:59 | <purrdeta> | for ntp, should I be using like the entire pool or just like northamerica |
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| 12:59 | <Zr40> | that's not ntp-client, that's the ntp-client init script |
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| 12:59 | <Peng> | SnoFox: NTP typically just deals in UTC. Time zones are a different setting. |
| 12:59 | <Peng> | purrdeta: The main pool.ntp.org does geolocation anyway. |
| 12:59 | <purrdeta> | orly |
| 13:00 | <Zr40> | it does |
| 13:00 | <purrdeta> | cool |
| 13:00 | <Zr40> | two of three A records for pool.ntp.org are relatively local to me |
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| 13:00 | <SnoFox> | Peng: my TZ environment var is correct. /etc/localtime shouldn't have changed, and strings shows me it looks like "PST" (the correct TZ) |
| 13:00 | <Peng> | SnoFox: If you're in the US, PDT is correct now. |
| 13:01 | <Zr40> | SnoFox: is /etc/localtime a symlink? if so, what does it point to? |
| 13:01 | <Peng> | It does geolocation to your country. If your country only has a few NTP servers, you should stick the the regional pool or neighboring countries in too. |
| 13:01 | <SnoFox> | You mean it doesn't take daylight savings into account? :\ |
| 13:01 | <Zr40> | SnoFox: usually you should specify a timezone location instead of a timezone name |
| 13:01 | <SnoFox> | It is not a symlink, Zr40. |
| 13:01 | <Zr40> | like in my case, Europe/Amsterdam instead of CEST |
| 13:01 | <SnoFox> | Zr40: I did. |
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| 13:02 | <Zr40> | SnoFox: what is the output of 'date'? |
| 13:02 | <Peng> | SnoFox: Oh, sorry, I missed the part where you said 'strings'. |
| 13:03 | <SnoFox> | http://p.ext3.net/977 - Zr40, Peng, the output of `date` and a few other things to confirm my TZ settings were correct. The time is correct since I ran the ntp-client initscript |
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| 13:04 | <hawk> | SnoFox: Ah, so it does say PDT |
| 13:04 | <Zr40> | that output seems to be correct |
| 13:04 | <SnoFox> | Eh. Perhaps it was a one time issue with DST. I'll bug people again if it skews off by an hour again. |
| 13:04 | <SnoFox> | I need to go get ready for class, though. |
| 13:05 | <SnoFox> | Thanks for hearing me out. :p |
| 13:05 | <Zr40> | hmm. one last possibility |
| 13:05 | <Zr40> | just a wild guess |
| 13:05 | * | SnoFox is still here |
| 13:06 | <Zr40> | your system stores the time as local time instead of UTC (usually for dual-boot compatibility with Windows). Crossing over into DST updated the system clock, but for some reason ntpd did not expect that |
| 13:06 | <Zr40> | again, just a wild guess and is probably incorrect :P |
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| 13:08 | <Zr40> | or... you had that shell prompt open for one hour before you typed sudo /etc/init.d/ntp-client start |
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| 13:09 | <mbreslin> | does !mtr do ipv6 |
| 13:09 | <Zr40> | !mtr |
| 13:09 | <linbot> | mtr combines the functionality of traceroute and ping into one easy to use tool, and the output can be useful for determining where the source of a problem is. It can be downloaded from http://www.bitwizard.nl/mtr/ or http://winmtr.sourceforge.net/ for Windows. MTR summaries can be retrieved in-channel using the command !mtr-CITY where CITY is fremont, atlanta, newark, dallas or london. |
| 13:09 | <Zr40> | !mtr-london ::1 |
| 13:10 | <squircle> | mbreslin: I believe so |
| 13:10 | <linbot> | Zr40: [mtr] ::1: 1 hops, no loss, last hop average RTT was 0.1ms (urmom) |
| 13:10 | <SnoFox> | I'd be able to confirm your first idea if I remembered which config file tells the machine to save the time to the hwclock on shutdown, but I can't find that config file. :p |
| 13:10 | <squircle> | !mtr-newark 2607:f2c0:a000:138:129a:ddff:fe50:5421 |
| 13:10 | <Zr40> | apparently it does |
| 13:10 | <linbot> | squircle: [mtr] 2607:f2c0:a000:138:129a:ddff:fe50:5421: 7 hops, no loss, last hop average RTT was 20.0ms |
| 13:10 | <mbreslin> | !mtr-fremont ipv6.google.com |
| 13:10 | <linbot> | mbreslin: That URL appears to have no HTML title. |
| 13:10 | <Zr40> | !mtr-newark ipv6.google.com |
| 13:10 | <linbot> | Zr40: [mtr] ipv6.google.com: 6 hops, no loss, last hop average RTT was 1.7ms |
| 13:10 | <mbreslin> | odd |
| 13:11 | <Zr40> | yes, !mtr-fremont is broken |
| 13:11 | <mbreslin> | unreachable for me for the last 10 minutes |
| 13:11 | <mbreslin> | back now |
| 13:11 | <squircle> | the site for mtr-fremont just says "GO AWAY" |
| 13:11 | <Peng> | haha |
| 13:11 | <Zr40> | !help mtr-fremont |
| 13:11 | <linbot> | Zr40: (mtrfremont <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "web title http://64.62.228.217/mtr.cgi?target_host=$1". |
| 13:11 | <Zr40> | nice domain |
| 13:12 | <Peng> | squircle: Oh, I think it's an access restriction so only linbot can use it. |
| 13:12 | <squircle> | oh |
| 13:12 | <squircle> | linbot <3 |
| 13:12 | <linbot> | <3 squircle |
| 13:12 | <Zr40> | Peng: I think it's a default vhost |
| 13:12 | <SnoFox> | Hm |
| 13:12 | <SnoFox> | Zr40: the hwclock is indeed in localtime, but not for Windows compatibility :p |
| 13:13 | <SnoFox> | Okay, I'm out for a while. |
| 13:13 | * | SnoFox gets less stinky and more fed |
| 13:13 | <Zr40> | omnomnom |
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| 13:14 | <XReaper> | !mtr-fremont ipv6.google.com |
| 13:14 | <linbot> | XReaper: That URL appears to have no HTML title. |
| 13:15 | <XReaper> | !mtr-dallas ipv6.google.com |
| 13:15 | <XReaper> | heh |
| 13:15 | <linbot> | XReaper: [mtr] ipv6.google.com: 14 hops, no loss, last hop average RTT was 67.8ms (urmom) |
| 13:15 | <Zr40> | !mtr-dallas steamstats.zr40.nl |
| 13:15 | <Peng> | Zr40: "Peng: nope, that response only happens when there is an invalid IP hitting the script and the linbot IP is o" |
| 13:15 | <linbot> | Zr40: timed out |
| 13:16 | <XReaper> | !mtr-dallas youhacked.me |
| 13:16 | <Peng> | Zr40: err, ok |
| 13:16 | <Zr40> | mtr timed out or the http request did? |
| 13:16 | <linbot> | XReaper: [mtr] youhacked.me: 1 hops, no loss, last hop average RTT was 1.2ms (urmom) |
| 13:16 | <Peng> | Zr40: The HTTP request timed out. |
| 13:16 | <XReaper> | oooh |
| 13:16 | <XReaper> | 1 hop :D |
| 13:16 | <Zr40> | !mtr-atlanta steamstats.zr40.nl |
| 13:16 | <linbot> | Zr40: Unknown host. |
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| 13:16 | <Zr40> | !mtr-newark steamstats.zr40.nl |
| 13:17 | <Peng> | SelfishMan: !mtr-fremont seems to be having issues? |
| 13:17 | <linbot> | Zr40: [mtr] steamstats.zr40.nl: 9 hops, ae1-40g.ar1.atl1.us.nlayer.n: 20.0%/24.5ms |
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| 13:18 | <XReaper> | !mtr-dallas linode.com |
| 13:18 | <linbot> | XReaper: [mtr] linode.com: 1 hops, no loss, last hop average RTT was 0.7ms (urmom) |
| 13:18 | <Peng> | Protip: The !mtr commands can be run in pm windows ;) |
| 13:18 | * | CaptObviousman adds more hops, converts linbot to an IPA |
| 13:18 | <XReaper> | Protip: I know |
| 13:19 | <Zr40> | s/The !mtr// |
| 13:19 | <CaptObviousman> | it's getting to warm for stouts, sadly |
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| 13:20 | <Peng> | But it's never too warm for stdout. |
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| 13:52 | <squircle> | "64 bit's speed is double over 32bit so yeah its a lot better." |
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| 13:52 | * | squircle sighs |
| 13:53 | <staticsafe> | :o |
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| 13:54 | <mwalling> | who said that |
| 13:54 | <mwalling> | i'll go cluebat them |
| 13:54 | <squircle> | some troll in an opensuse irc channel |
| 13:56 | <dcraig> | yeah there's 4 billion times as many more bits, so it's really more than a billion faster |
| 13:57 | <squircle> | \o/ |
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| 14:12 | <hawk> | dcraig: what? I don't even... |
| 14:13 | <Zr40> | 4 billion times as many addressable bits |
| 14:14 | <SelfishMan> | Peng: maybe it is just you |
| 14:14 | <KyleXY> | God damnit iOS devices not supporting ovpn |
| 14:15 | <mwalling> | KyleXY: inorite? |
| 14:15 | <mwalling> | pita |
| 14:15 | <mwalling> | they did just add support for juniper though |
| 14:15 | <Zr40> | ah, openvpn. The proprietary open source VPN. |
| 14:16 | <Peng> | !mtr-fremont ns2.linode.com |
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| 14:16 | <Zr40> | that mtr is broken |
| 14:16 | <linbot> | Peng: [mtr] ns2.linode.com: 1 hops, no loss, last hop average RTT was 0.9ms (urmom) |
| 14:16 | <Peng> | Ha |
| 14:16 | <Zr40> | or it isn't. |
| 14:16 | <sasha> | Hey guys, once I sign up for a certain service plan, is it difficult to upgrade or downgrade? |
| 14:16 | <Peng> | sasha: No. |
| 14:16 | <Zr40> | not difficult at all |
| 14:16 | <mwalling> | !resize |
| 14:16 | <linbot> | Linodes can be resized to a different plan size via the Resize tab in the Linode Manager. Doing so will shut down your Linode and copy your disk images to their new host(this will take a few minutes). Your IP addresses and data will be unaffected, but you will need to resize your disk images. |
| 14:17 | <sasha> | cool, so it's pretty quick and easy? |
| 14:17 | <Peng> | sasha: No. It's *very* quick and easy. |
| 14:17 | <sasha> | awesome, thanks |
| 14:17 | <Zr40> | if you don't need the full disk capacity, you can create a disk image for only the size you will need. Smaller disk image = faster copying to the new host |
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| 14:17 | <Zr40> | or rather s/faster/shorter/ |
| 14:17 | <mwalling> | Zr40: for resizes it's almost a wash |
| 14:18 | <mwalling> | it's been timed before |
| 14:18 | <KyleXY> | mwalling: Trying to install GuizmOVPN, while behind a firewall |
| 14:18 | <KyleXY> | mwalling: Freaking irritating |
| 14:18 | <mwalling> | for transfers, absolutely |
| 14:18 | <Zr40> | mwalling: is the estimated duration provided by the manager accurate? |
| 14:18 | * | KyleXY grabs squid and configures it on his computer so he can tunnel it all |
| 14:18 | <mwalling> | Zr40: donno |
| 14:18 | <mwalling> | KyleXY: i ended up writing my own version of getcloak |
| 14:18 | <Peng> | SelfishMan: Uh-huh |
| 14:18 | <Zr40> | mwalling: because it's estimating 2 minutes for my 2.7 GB of disk |
| 14:19 | <Zr40> | if it's linear, that would mean around 15 minutes for 20 GB of disk |
| 14:19 | <mwalling> | and how long does the resize take? |
| 14:19 | <Zr40> | I haven't done one before |
| 14:19 | <mwalling> | yeah, longer then 13 minutes to go from 20 to 2.7 |
| 14:19 | <mwalling> | hence, wash. |
| 14:19 | <Zr40> | you're talking about resizing the disk image? |
| 14:20 | <Zr40> | I'm talking about upgrading to another linode size |
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| 14:22 | <Zr40> | ah, I see what you mean |
| 14:22 | <Zr40> | indeed, don't go shrinking your images just in preparation of upgrading |
| 14:24 | <hawk> | Yeah, for a transfer between hosts in the same DC it's probably not worthwhile |
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| 14:26 | <Zr40> | in my specific case, 2.7 GB is more than enough. If I need more RAM, it will take less time to move than if I had created a 20 GB image |
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| 14:33 | <Katana> | http://qdb.us/307922 |
| 14:33 | <mwalling> | sheesh, my /home is 10 gb |
| 14:33 | <mwalling> | no, 14 |
| 14:33 | <Zr40> | Katana: yeah, SEO. Search engines don't actually care, do they? |
| 14:33 | <mwalling> | /dev/xvdb 19G 14G 5.0G 74% /home |
| 14:33 | <Peng> | mwalling: Porn or IRC logs? |
| 14:33 | <mwalling> | Peng: urmom |
| 14:34 | <mwalling> | !to Peng rimshot |
| 14:34 | <linbot> | Peng: http://instantrimshot.com |
| 14:34 | <Zr40> | mwalling: impossible, there's still 5.0G free |
| 14:34 | <Katana> | Zr40: they focus on the content, not some damn url |
| 14:34 | <mwalling> | Zr40: LZMA compresses everything, even peng's mom |
| 14:34 | <Zr40> | Katana: right. |
| 14:35 | <Peng> | mwalling: Have you seen her jeans? She can't get any more compressed. |
| 14:35 | <mwalling> | ... dude, i'm goign to tell your mom you talk about her like that |
| 14:35 | <Peng> | Yeah, you would, too. |
| 14:36 | <Zr40> | mwalling: you know that for any compression algorithm, some inputs exist that must result in a larger output. Obviously, you did not attempt to compress. |
| 14:37 | <Zr40> | s/compression/lossless compression/ |
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| 15:15 | <Katana> | http://bash.org/?946290 |
| 15:16 | <Peng> | "Rackspace For Suckers"? |
| 15:16 | <hawk> | That would be an example |
| 15:16 | <Katana> | Windows Cloud -> Windows For Suckers |
| 15:16 | <squircle> | Linode For Suckers Asia Pacific? |
| 15:16 | <Peng> | "Linode For Suckers Asia-Pacific!" |
| 15:16 | <squircle> | ninja'd |
| 15:16 | <Peng> | ^5 |
| 15:16 | <Katana> | YES |
| 15:17 | <Katana> | also there's no mention of cloud in the /topic :U |
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| 15:19 | <Zr40> | !cloud |
| 15:19 | <linbot> | I'm leaving Linode for the cloud! |
| 15:19 | <linbot> | New news from forums: Linode disk image to VirtualBox? in General Discussion <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=8554>; |
| 15:23 | <mbreslin> | i'm leaving linode for the for suckers |
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| 15:47 | <DreamPhysix> | Which kernel should I be using? Right now I'm using Latest 3.0 (3.0.18-x86_64-linode24) but more recent versions are available in the list |
| 15:47 | <MotoHoss> | Linode is the only cloud where the sun shines all the time. |
| 15:47 | <EugeneKay> | Latest |
| 15:47 | <squircle> | latest 3.0 |
| 15:47 | <EugeneKay> | If there's a more recent version than what you have running you cna reboot to get it. Or don't, because meh. :-p |
| 15:47 | <Peng> | DreamPhysix: Stick to Latest. If the more modern ones worked right, they'd be Latest. |
| 15:48 | <DreamPhysix> | Alright, thanks |
| 15:48 | <Zr40> | DreamPhysix: any kernels available that are newer than Latest are either experimental or have known issues |
| 15:48 | <DreamPhysix> | ah ok |
| 15:49 | <DreamPhysix> | if i run apt-get upgrade on a box and it says its downloading a new kernel (not a linode box) does that mean on reboot itll automatically use the latest? the version seemed to match what i was already using though |
| 15:50 | <Zr40> | it depends on the distro, but most likely yes. You can check using 'uname -r' before and after rebooting |
| 15:50 | <DreamPhysix> | debian 64-bit stable release with kernel 2.6.32-5-amd64 which i think is the latest |
| 15:51 | <mwalling> | that's not a uname -r output |
| 15:51 | <mwalling> | but you're smarter than us |
| 15:51 | <DreamPhysix> | 2.6.32-5-amd64 is a uname -r output |
| 15:52 | <DreamPhysix> | but i think debian stable is still on 2.6.x kernel |
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| 16:02 | <MotoHoss> | DreamPhysix, debian squeeze(stable) is 2.6.32-5-amd64... but it's actualy the 2.6.32-41 kernel.... that's as of like yesterday... |
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| 16:12 | <hawk> | MotoHoss: 2.6.32-41squeeze2 even |
| 16:14 | <MotoHoss> | yes hawk u r correct... ;-) only reason I had that much was I did a security update on one of my boxes last nite :p |
| 16:19 | <Katana> | anyone have experience with either the Radeon HD 6850 or GeForce GTX 460? |
| 16:20 | <@heckman> | I would go NVidia personally |
| 16:20 | <Katana> | Buddy's in the market atm. |
| 16:21 | <mbreslin> | 460 is a very popular card |
| 16:21 | <@heckman> | Katana: why not go for a 5XX series? |
| 16:21 | <JoeK> | the 460? no |
| 16:21 | <JoeK> | the 560 or 560 Ti is |
| 16:22 | <Katana> | I imagine he's budget limited |
| 16:22 | * | Katana asks |
| 16:22 | <mbreslin> | the 460 was very popular during the 4 series' run |
| 16:22 | <@heckman> | ASUS 560 Ti can go a long way |
| 16:23 | <JoeK> | i have the 560 Ti counterpart |
| 16:23 | <JoeK> | the 6870 :) |
| 16:23 | <mbreslin> | i have 2x 5970 |
| 16:23 | <mbreslin> | upgrading in oct |
| 16:23 | <JoeK> | wanna fight? |
| 16:23 | <JoeK> | :P |
| 16:23 | <mbreslin> | no, you win |
| 16:23 | <mbreslin> | i won't be going multi-gpu again |
| 16:23 | <mbreslin> | scaling's never worth it |
| 16:24 | <Katana> | but, but |
| 16:24 | <Zr40> | I like my mobile 6770M just fine. The regular 6850 is probably much better :) |
| 16:24 | <Katana> | if you scale it's automatically better! |
| 16:24 | <JoeK> | heh |
| 16:24 | <JoeK> | the xbox 720 will have the 6670 in it |
| 16:24 | <Zr40> | !cloud gpu! |
| 16:24 | <linbot> | I'm leaving Linode for the cloud! |
| 16:24 | <JoeK> | so look on the bright side |
| 16:24 | <EugeneKay> | Remind me which of the new 6xx cards is actually a new chip, and is at the $200ish price point? |
| 16:24 | <mbreslin> | well the 6xxx series actually scales |
| 16:24 | <JoeK> | define new chip? |
| 16:25 | <Katana> | heckman: confirmed, budget. |
| 16:25 | <Kyhwana> | Bah, just get the GTX 680, kicks the crap out of everything |
| 16:25 | <JoeK> | my 6870 costed $210 |
| 16:25 | <mbreslin> | the 5xxx series when you add a second gpu you get like 20% max |
| 16:25 | <EugeneKay> | Not a rebadged Fermi or wtf the 5xx ones were |
| 16:25 | <mbreslin> | horrible |
| 16:25 | <Katana> | heckman: £653.52 doesn't work for him |
| 16:25 | <@heckman> | Katana: what is his budget and what is he trying to do? |
| 16:26 | <JoeK> | ah i read that as 6xxx |
| 16:26 | <Katana> | I pity the UK and the taxes they have. |
| 16:26 | <JoeK> | not 6xx |
| 16:26 | <@heckman> | Katana: he can get a 560 for like 150 GBP |
| 16:27 | <Katana> | he does a lot of source engine modding anyways |
| 16:27 | <Katana> | right now i'm hosting a git repo for the portal 2 mod he's working on |
| 16:27 | <Katana> | (and damn, that's a big repo) |
| 16:27 | <mbreslin> | 680! |
| 16:27 | <mbreslin> | 680 or gtfo! |
| 16:28 | <Katana> | gitlab hates me when i open up his repo XD |
| 16:28 | <mbreslin> | if it's not a my little pony total conversion he's wasting his time imo |
| 16:29 | <JoeK> | host it on a 680 |
| 16:29 | <JoeK> | take the mbreslin approach |
| 16:29 | <Katana> | heckman: ~£500 budget, and "Source modding, light 3D modelling, video editing (inc. FRAPS capture) and general gaming." |
| 16:29 | <JoeK> | fraps would stress the cpu before the gpu |
| 16:30 | <JoeK> | and would need an ssd unless you like lag |
| 16:30 | <Kyhwana> | Katana: what CPU does he have? |
| 16:30 | <@heckman> | Fraps is pretty terrible, Dxtory is better |
| 16:30 | <@heckman> | Also, GTX 560 or even 570 should fit in that range |
| 16:30 | <JoeK> | 6870! |
| 16:30 | * | Katana looks up dxtory |
| 16:30 | * | Katana sees kanji |
| 16:31 | <Katana> | srsbsns |
| 16:31 | <@heckman> | Better performance / framerates |
| 16:31 | <KyleXY> | w 101 |
| 16:31 | <mbreslin> | tell your friend not to worry about his budget |
| 16:31 | <mbreslin> | at 5pm pdt today i'm going to win the lottery |
| 16:31 | <mbreslin> | i'll spring for his build |
| 16:31 | <Kyhwana> | haha |
| 16:32 | <mbreslin> | i've never played so i've got to have beginners luck |
| 16:32 | <Kyhwana> | mbreslin: can you pay for my linode for the next year too? |
| 16:32 | <KyleXY> | mwalling: Now I can stab cydia, heh |
| 16:32 | <mbreslin> | i figure i'm all set |
| 16:32 | <Katana> | i5-2500k apparently, clocked at 3.3ghz |
| 16:32 | <Katana> | mbreslin: i'd like a new system myself. this laptop's pretty restrictive for gaming ;-; |
| 16:32 | <mbreslin> | Kyhwana: "if i win the lottery i will pay for Kyhwana's linode(s) for 1 year --mbreslin" |
| 16:32 | <@heckman> | Okay, I need a nap |
| 16:32 | <@heckman> | p/ |
| 16:32 | <@heckman> | o/ even |
| 16:32 | <Kyhwana> | sweeet |
| 16:33 | <Kyhwana> | Katana: hmm, should go faster than that? although that might not be the turboed freq.. Mine sits at 4.3ghz quite nicely |
| 16:33 | <Katana> | that's what he said it is |
| 16:33 | <Katana> | so probably what it's marketed as |
| 16:34 | <mbreslin> | 363 million |
| 16:34 | <mbreslin> | 260 million lump sum |
| 16:34 | <mbreslin> | -25% federal tax |
| 16:34 | <mbreslin> | 195 million |
| 16:34 | <Katana> | would be nice. |
| 16:35 | <Katana> | invest it somewhere with 10% interest, get 100k a year to live off of. |
| 16:35 | <Kyhwana> | I'd take the lump sum, spend a few mil, invest the rest and live off the returns. |
| 16:35 | <Katana> | 95mil for play money |
| 16:35 | <Kyhwana> | Well, only spend an amount that I could maintain said assests with the return |
| 16:36 | <mbreslin> | 195 million lump sum or 8 million ish a year for 26 years which is 208 million |
| 16:36 | <Katana> | only 26 years? meh |
| 16:36 | <mbreslin> | i think i'd give up the extra 13 mil and go lump sum |
| 16:36 | <Zr40> | I'd say the interest over 195 million for 26 years is more than 13 million |
| 16:36 | <Katana> | ^^ |
| 16:36 | <Kyhwana> | Zr40: yep |
| 16:37 | <mbreslin> | nevermind cds or anything like that just doing normal savings account is ~2mil/year |
| 16:37 | <Katana> | only insured up to...what, 250k? |
| 16:37 | <Zr40> | 1% per year? that's... quite low |
| 16:37 | <mbreslin> | well obviously you go wherever bill gates goes |
| 16:37 | <Katana> | some have ceilings for interest anyways |
| 16:38 | <Katana> | i would rather *not* go to hell |
| 16:38 | <mbreslin> | Zr40: in the states 1% is normal for savings account |
| 16:38 | <Katana> | right now anyways |
| 16:38 | <mbreslin> | i mean whichever bank |
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| 16:38 | <Katana> | used to be higher, but meh. crappy people not paying their bills. |
| 16:38 | <DreamPhysix> | Is it stupid to store private SSH keys on Dropbox? |
| 16:38 | <Zr40> | mbreslin: I see. Here in Europe, my plain old savings account's at 2.5% currently |
| 16:38 | <purrdeta> | Zr40: dang |
| 16:39 | <mbreslin> | Zr40: must be nice |
| 16:39 | <Katana> | my checking account, 12 transactions a month and you get 4% interest that month >.> |
| 16:39 | <purrdeta> | I've considered moving to Europe. Unsure why they would want me though :P |
| 16:39 | <Kyhwana> | DreamPhysix: do you trust dropbox? |
| 16:39 | <Kyhwana> | hmm, my savings account here gets ~3.5% atm, if I don't take money out of it |
| 16:39 | <Katana> | > buy soda every day for class with debit card > meet qualifier each month |
| 16:39 | <mbreslin> | fdic isn't even per account which is annoying |
| 16:40 | <mbreslin> | it's per bank |
| 16:40 | <DreamPhysix> | I do trust Dropbox |
| 16:40 | <Zr40> | Katana: what, interest on a checking account? |
| 16:40 | <Katana> | Zr40: for mine, yea |
| 16:40 | <mbreslin> | 250k in a checking account and the rest burried in my backyard |
| 16:41 | <Zr40> | DreamPhysix: I would put a passphrase on remotely stored keys |
| 16:41 | <@mikegrb> | lulz |
| 16:41 | <Katana> | also obligatory lol dropbox. |
| 16:41 | <mbreslin> | am i paranoid for having a passphrase on all my keys? |
| 16:41 | <Katana> | https://github.com/driverdan/dropship <- JUST REMEMBER, THIS *USED* TO BE POSSIBLE. |
| 16:41 | <mbreslin> | i thought that's just what you do |
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| 16:42 | <Zr40> | mbreslin: heck, I use a passphrase on my keys, yet I never have to enter it :) |
| 16:42 | <Abel> | Hello |
| 16:42 | <Zr40> | hi Abel |
| 16:42 | <Abel> | I was wondering if linode has any banners? |
| 16:42 | <Katana> | Zr40: i do too, my yubikey is nice for handling that :D |
| 16:42 | <Zr40> | Katana: you do get a prompt before you activate your yubikey? |
| 16:42 | <mbreslin> | Zr40: i have pageant running at work and home |
| 16:42 | <hawk> | Abel: banners? |
| 16:42 | <Kyhwana> | Abel: https://www.linode.com/images/pr/ |
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| 16:43 | <Katana> | Zr40: depending how i do it yar |
| 16:43 | <Abel> | thanks Kyhwana |
| 16:43 | <Peng> | Kyhwana: !pr fwiw |
| 16:44 | <karstensrage> | how do you kill the screen session associated with lish? |
| 16:44 | <Kyhwana> | Peng: pr? |
| 16:44 | <Peng> | Kyhwana: It gives that link. |
| 16:44 | <Zr40> | karstensrage: what do you want to do? |
| 16:44 | <Abel> | type exit? |
| 16:44 | <Kyhwana> | ahh |
| 16:45 | <karstensrage> | kill it so it has to recreate a new one |
| 16:45 | <Peng> | karstensrage: The *screen*? Why? |
| 16:45 | <Peng> | karstensrage: Or do you just want to kill the getty? |
| 16:45 | <karstensrage> | Ctrl-A, K doesnt seem to work |
| 16:45 | <hawk> | karstensrage: What did you do to it? |
| 16:45 | <karstensrage> | nothing, just ssh'ed into the lish console |
| 16:45 | <Peng> | karstensrage: Why do you want to kill screen? |
| 16:46 | <karstensrage> | because it keeps coming back up with the same screen and all the previous screen scroll |
| 16:46 | <Katana> | type "clear" |
| 16:46 | <Abel> | type logout |
| 16:46 | <Zr40> | karstensrage: lish shows the console, just like you would if you attach a physical screen |
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| 16:48 | <hawk> | karstensrage: Ok, sounds like it's working as intended then... But you want to somehow clear it? Don't think it does that. |
| 16:49 | <Katana> | ....okay, I kinda like working with gitlab much more than with github. |
| 16:49 | <Katana> | Cleaner interface >.> |
| 16:50 | <karstensrage> | so logging into lish, it then sets up a screen to your vps |
| 16:50 | <Zr40> | Katana: I don't have experience with gitlab, but github seems quite clean to me |
| 16:50 | <karstensrage> | you can detach from that screen.. but you cant shutdown the screen |
| 16:51 | <Zr40> | karstensrage: it shows whatever the physical screen would show if it were a physical machine |
| 16:51 | <karstensrage> | Zr40: understood but its running 'screen' to do that |
| 16:51 | <karstensrage> | im asking if you can shut that 'screen' down |
| 16:52 | <squircle> | karstensrage: lish is using screen to attach to your linode's console; the only way to get rid of screen is to plug in a physical display, or use ssh |
| 16:52 | <karstensrage> | afaik if you detach from the 'screen' process, the 'screen' process is still running |
| 16:52 | <Kyhwana> | karstensrage: then you wouldn't have access to your node via LISH? |
| 16:53 | <karstensrage> | Kyhwana: well in terms of what actually happens when i ssh to the lish console it could right then launch screen attached to my vps |
| 16:53 | <karstensrage> | sorry |
| 16:53 | <Zr40> | karstensrage: Lish using screen is how it is implemented. It's not running on your own Linode but on the Lish server, the only interaction being with your Linode's console |
| 16:53 | <karstensrage> | launch 'screen' and THEN attach it to my vps |
| 16:54 | <karstensrage> | hmm ok i think i see |
| 16:54 | <karstensrage> | so the 'screen' belongs to the LISH server |
| 16:54 | <Zr40> | karstensrage: when you detach from the console, you have access to Lish commands |
| 16:54 | <Zr40> | see http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php/Lish_Documentation |
| 16:54 | <karstensrage> | oh ok, thanks |
| 16:55 | <karstensrage> | ah ok, i understand now |
| 16:55 | <karstensrage> | thanks |
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| 17:45 | <Abel> | how many of you have a blog? |
| 17:45 | <Zr40> | at all, or an active one? |
| 17:45 | <Kyhwana> | blags! |
| 17:46 | <Abel> | active ones |
| 17:46 | <Abel> | I'm starting one, maybe we can exchange links for our blogroll |
| 17:46 | <Zr40> | now that's a term I haven't heard in years |
| 17:46 | <Kyhwana> | wat |
| 17:47 | <Abel> | check it out: http://tinyvox.net/ |
| 17:47 | <Kyhwana> | -.- |
| 17:47 | <Abel> | Zr40 which is your blog? |
| 17:47 | <Zr40> | I don't have an active blog |
| 17:48 | <Abel> | :( |
| 17:48 | <Abel> | how do you sleep at night? |
| 17:48 | <Abel> | I kid |
| 17:48 | <Zr40> | warm and cozy in my bed |
| 17:48 | <Abel> | all these people and no one has one |
| 17:48 | <Zr40> | a bed? |
| 17:49 | <@mikegrb> | lulz |
| 17:49 | <Abel> | LOL |
| 17:49 | <Abel> | a blog |
| 17:49 | <Zr40> | that could be interesting... a bed blog |
| 17:49 | <staticsafe> | Abel: http://asininetech.com |
| 17:52 | <Abel> | that's a nice one |
| 17:52 | <Abel> | how come you have comments disabled? |
| 17:52 | <staticsafe> | eh, i don't care for comments :P |
| 17:52 | <staticsafe> | there is a post on it |
| 17:52 | <staticsafe> | or two |
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| 17:55 | <Abel> | I see |
| 17:57 | <Abel> | watch out with those google ads |
| 17:57 | <Abel> | google disabled my account for no reason...I didn't even do anything. |
| 17:57 | <Abel> | took me a year to get $200 and then they decided to disable it :( |
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| 17:59 | <Abel> | asonine, you don't write often on your blog |
| 17:59 | <staticsafe> | i don't indeed |
| 17:59 | <staticsafe> | i have major writer's block >.> |
| 18:00 | <Abel> | :/ |
| 18:00 | <Abel> | I'm going to try to write at least one every day |
| 18:00 | <staticsafe> | good luck sir |
| 18:01 | <Abel> | thanks |
| 18:01 | <Abel> | how much traffic you get on your blog? |
| 18:02 | <staticsafe> | average of 50 pgviews per day according to Wordpress stats |
| 18:03 | <Abel> | you should be getting more than that |
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| 18:04 | <linbot> | New news from forums: rutorrent in General Discussion <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=8622>; |
| 18:05 | <staticsafe> | Abel: i would if I posted more (thats my theory anyways) |
| 18:05 | <@mikegrb> | lulz |
| 18:05 | <Abel> | probably lol |
| 18:05 | <retro|blah> | rutorrent :/ |
| 18:05 | <staticsafe> | :o |
| 18:06 | <Kyhwana> | -.- |
| 18:06 | <Abel> | you want to trade links staticsafe? |
| 18:06 | <staticsafe> | Abel: sure, whats yours? |
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| 18:07 | <Abel> | tinyvox.net |
| 18:07 | <Abel> | what title do you want? |
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| 18:07 | <Katana> | BLAGS |
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| 18:09 | <staticsafe> | Abel: hmm just put Asinine Tech |
| 18:09 | <KyleXY> | staticsafe: My god, that guy that want's the services wants to do transactions via IRC |
| 18:09 | <KyleXY> | staticsafe: lord help us all |
| 18:10 | <staticsafe> | KyleXY: O_O |
| 18:10 | * | staticsafe facedesks |
| 18:10 | <Kyhwana> | Where is your god now!? |
| 18:10 | <KyleXY> | 17:06 <@Lunaqus> we want to do secure financial transactions with bitcoin |
| 18:10 | <KyleXY> | 17:06 <@Lunaqus> and irc |
| 18:10 | <KyleXY> | 17:07 <@Lunaqus> well secure transactions via IRC |
| 18:10 | <KyleXY> | I don't even need to list what can go wrong |
| 18:10 | <Abel> | : |
| 18:11 | <Abel> | then you better send him all the cash you can! |
| 18:12 | <staticsafe> | Abel: added the link |
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| 18:12 | <Abel> | same here :) |
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| 18:13 | <Katana> | KyleXY: on a scale of 1 to Boned |
| 18:13 | <Katana> | KyleXY: you're deep down in the rabbit hole now |
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| 18:13 | <KyleXY> | Katana: Ain't me :) |
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| 18:13 | <Katana> | then run while you still can |
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| 18:14 | <Abel> | staticsafe: your irc link doesn't work on your blog |
| 18:14 | <staticsafe> | oops |
| 18:14 | <staticsafe> | the port number changed |
| 18:14 | * | staticsafe fixes |
| 18:15 | <staticsafe> | Abel: thanks, fixed |
| 18:16 | <Abel> | np |
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| 18:20 | <linbot> | New news from forums: nginx mime type problem in Web Servers and Web App Development <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=8621>; |
| 18:21 | <staticsafe> | wow that if block |
| 18:21 | <Peng> | :D |
| 18:21 | <Peng> | It's awesome, isn't it? |
| 18:21 | <staticsafe> | yea |
| 18:22 | <hawk> | wow |
| 18:22 | <praetorian> | looks like something chesty wrote |
| 18:22 | <KyleXY> | holy crapers |
| 18:22 | <Abel> | what r you guys wowing about? |
| 18:22 | <KyleXY> | I can only wonder why that's not working |
| 18:22 | <Peng> | Abel: http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=8621 |
| 18:22 | <KyleXY> | Abel: that post |
| 18:23 | <@mikegrb> | lulz |
| 18:23 | <Abel> | lol wtf |
| 18:24 | <Peng> | mwalling & jed: Plotting my demise? |
| 18:24 | <mwalling> | yes. |
| 18:25 | <Peng> | Will it involve long regular expressions and/or cats? |
| 18:26 | <mwalling> | yes. |
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| 18:27 | <Zr40> | but will it involve long regular cat expressions? |
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| 18:28 | <Peng> | No such thing as a regular cat. |
| 18:28 | <Katana> | regular expression HELL |
| 18:28 | <Zr40> | Peng: regular (cat expression), not (regular cat) expression |
| 18:29 | <Katana> | regular longcat expression |
| 18:31 | <mbreslin> | problem+cat+regex = 3 problems |
| 18:32 | <mbreslin> | and if the cat isn't spayed or neutered you're going to have even more problems |
| 18:32 | <mbreslin> | that's what they say on the price is right anyway |
| 18:34 | <EugeneKay> | We should send mikegrb to get spayed and/or neutered |
| 18:34 | <staticsafe> | poor mikegrb |
| 18:34 | <Katana> | we don't want the lulz to breed |
| 18:34 | <@mikegrb> | lulz |
| 18:34 | <staticsafe> | lol |
| 18:34 | <staticsafe> | :P |
| 18:37 | <@mikegrb> | mmm bacon |
| 18:37 | <Kyhwana> | bacon |
| 18:37 | <Kyhwana> | oh, forgot the ! |
| 18:37 | <Kyhwana> | !! |
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| 18:42 | <linbot> | New news from forums: Php 5.3 to 5.2 in Web Servers and Web App Development <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=8623>; |
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| 18:44 | <Kyhwana> | OMG |
| 18:44 | <Kyhwana> | http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2012/03/mozilla-launches-multiplayer-browser-adventure-to-showcase-html5-gaming.ars |
| 18:44 | <Kyhwana> | new thing for linodes to do |
| 18:45 | <Katana> | other than mine bitcoins? |
| 18:45 | <Katana> | also IS THAT OCTOCAT |
| 18:45 | <staticsafe> | heh i've already finished the game |
| 18:45 | <staticsafe> | http://browserquest.mozilla.org/ - enjoy |
| 18:46 | <Katana> | lawl |
| 18:46 | <Katana> | first thing i see |
| 18:46 | <Katana> | broken images |
| 18:47 | <Katana> | http://puu.sh/mHGy |
| 18:47 | <@mikegrb> | lulz |
| 18:47 | <Katana> | lol broken tiles |
| 18:48 | <staticsafe> | Katana: hmm im not seeing any |
| 18:48 | <Katana> | chrome or FF? |
| 18:49 | <Katana> | judas priest, even in FF it's broken |
| 18:49 | <staticsafe> | latest FF nightly |
| 18:49 | <Katana> | http://puu.sh/mHHM |
| 18:49 | <bob2> | i don't think he was a priest |
| 18:49 | <Kyhwana> | works in chrome |
| 18:50 | <Katana> | Works in neither for me. Aurora nor Chrome dev. |
| 18:50 | <bob2> | tiles messed up in chrome nightly |
| 18:50 | <Katana> | can't get a reliable connection to the server it seems |
| 18:50 | <Katana> | NOW IT JUST CRASHED FIREFOX AHAHAHA |
| 18:51 | <bob2> | let's blame webgl |
| 18:51 | <joshiee> | Perihelion ilu |
| 18:51 | <bob2> | tmi |
| 18:51 | <staticsafe> | :O |
| 18:53 | * | praetorian and rnowak join forces to hunt down joshiee |
| 18:55 | <Raccoon> | 6:51 PM <bob2> let's blame webgl -> wat? webgl != html5 canvas :P |
| 18:56 | <bob2> | whatever |
| 18:56 | <bob2> | it's all newfangled magic |
| 18:56 | * | Raccoon yells witchcraft |
| 18:56 | <Peng> | !dns6 browserquest.mozilla.org |
| 18:56 | <linbot> | Peng: 173.255.224.204 |
| 18:56 | <Peng> | !dns6 173.255.224.204 |
| 18:56 | <linbot> | Peng: li234-204.members.linode.com. |
| 18:56 | <Peng> | :) |
| 18:56 | <Kyhwana> | O.o |
| 18:56 | <Kyhwana> | Who's running that? |
| 18:56 | <bob2> | lrn2rdns |
| 18:57 | <Raccoon> | but it's using node.js |
| 18:57 | <Raccoon> | so all fun is dead |
| 18:57 | <Raccoon> | :( |
| 18:57 | <mbreslin> | the web sockets are not socketing all the things |
| 18:57 | <bob2> | it's like twisted python but in a more annoying language and also it hangs every few days also it ships the entire v8 source tree |
| 18:57 | <Raccoon> | the site works in IE but not opera |
| 18:57 | <Raccoon> | that made me chuckle |
| 18:58 | <Raccoon> | apparently internet explorer supports more standards then opera now |
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| 18:59 | <staticsafe> | heckman: got another abuse report for ya :) |
| 19:01 | * | praetorian abuses staticsafe |
| 19:01 | <praetorian> | there, write another |
| 19:01 | <praetorian> | :> |
| 19:01 | <staticsafe> | :( |
| 19:01 | <bob2> | be nice |
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| 19:01 | <@Perihelion> | joshiee: o/ |
| 19:02 | <praetorian> | Perihelion: \o/ |
| 19:03 | * | Katana files staticsafe as an abuse report |
| 19:03 | <staticsafe> | :( |
| 19:03 | <@Perihelion> | praetorian: o/ |
| 19:04 | <Katana> | http://browserquest.mozilla.org/status/ hah |
| 19:04 | <Katana> | that's probably why it's so broken for me |
| 19:05 | <Katana> | !dns6 178.79.178.215 |
| 19:05 | <linbot> | Katana: li347-215.members.linode.com. |
| 19:05 | <Katana> | that's a second node connected to browserquest that i can see |
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| 19:08 | <Katana> | found out why it's broken |
| 19:09 | <Katana> | it's using cross-origin requests |
| 19:10 | <Katana> | http://puu.sh/mHTw |
| 19:10 | <Katana> | so much "KABOOM" |
| 19:10 | <praetorian> | Perihelion: i need breakfast |
| 19:10 | <@Perihelion> | So get some |
| 19:10 | <praetorian> | yeah i will in a moment |
| 19:11 | <Abel> | what time is it over there for breakfast? |
| 19:14 | <@akerl> | It's always breakfast time |
| 19:14 | <@mikegrb> | mmm bacon |
| 19:14 | <EugeneKay> | Mmmm bacon cake |
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| 19:22 | <praetorian> | its business time |
| 19:22 | <praetorian> | ITS BUSINESS |
| 19:22 | <praetorian> | ITS BUSINESS TIMEEEEE |
| 19:22 | <praetorian> | party time is over.. .baby.. |
| 19:22 | <praetorian> | Abel: its 10am. |
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| 19:23 | <Kyhwana> | Lies, it's 12:13pm |
| 19:24 | <squircle> | lies, it's 7:24pm |
| 19:24 | <@akerl> | lies, it's caketime |
| 19:25 | <squircle> | i can agree with that. |
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| 19:26 | * | MotoHoss had spaghetti w meat sauce for breakfast. course that was 11 hrs ago. |
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| 19:44 | <auraka> | need new linode hotness |
| 19:44 | <SirSquidness> | I am the hotness. |
| 19:44 | <bob2> | auraka, switch to xen, it's great! |
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| 19:46 | <auraka> | bob2: there are 1400 512 linodes available...why are you slacking....go buy |
| 19:47 | <bob2> | I moved to the cloud |
| 19:47 | <staticsafe> | !cloud |
| 19:47 | <linbot> | I'm leaving Linode for the cloud! |
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| 19:49 | <teacup> | !cloud |
| 19:49 | <linbot> | I'm leaving Linode for the cloud! |
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| 19:50 | <auraka> | I just ordered some new cloud nodes.....pretty awesome |
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| 19:50 | <treec> | Hello |
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| 19:52 | <Kyhwana> | !hello |
| 19:53 | <dcraig> | hi! |
| 19:54 | * | praetorian tunes in the rdio |
| 19:54 | <praetorian> | Perihelion: i had breakfast. |
| 19:54 | <praetorian> | and sif people didnt get business time >_> |
| 19:54 | <praetorian> | Kyhwana especially |
| 19:56 | <@Perihelion> | ! |
| 19:57 | <praetorian> | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGOohBytKTU |
| 19:57 | <Kyhwana> | Hmm |
| 19:57 | <Kyhwana> | hehe |
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| 20:03 | * | joshiee hugs Perihelion. :3 |
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| 20:04 | <@Perihelion> | :3 |
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| 20:06 | <praetorian> | :7 |
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| 20:53 | <Smark> | what term would you use for static content (such as images) that changes (such as new files, old file deleted, but the content of each file doesnt change)? |
| 20:53 | <bob2> | static content |
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| 21:00 | <Katana> | temporary files |
| 21:00 | <EugeneKay> | dynamic resources |
| 21:00 | <EugeneKay> | mutable content? |
| 21:01 | <pjkh> | assets |
| 21:01 | <EugeneKay> | ^ That's the one |
| 21:01 | <@mikegrb> | mmm bacon |
| 21:01 | <Katana> | not-bacon files |
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| 21:03 | * | gdr wiggles and giggles |
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| 21:22 | <LinodeJavaUser> | hello - when I putty into my linode server, I'm logging in as "console". Is that a linode setting or just a newb issue? |
| 21:22 | <bob2> | you mean your username is 'console'? |
| 21:23 | <LinodeJavaUser> | no, into console (sorry). If I fire up two putty sessions I see the same thing. |
| 21:23 | <bob2> | I'm lost |
| 21:23 | <Kyhwana> | er, are you sshing into LISH? |
| 21:23 | <bob2> | of course putty gives you a console |
| 21:23 | <LinodeJavaUser> | yes. |
| 21:24 | <Kyhwana> | That's why, because LISH is the equivilant of the "console", as if you were standing infront of the "box" |
| 21:24 | <LinodeJavaUser> | the console view (what would appear on the monitor connected to the computer). |
| 21:24 | <LinodeJavaUser> | ahh, ok I'm dumb. |
| 21:24 | <Kyhwana> | Sure you don't want to be sshing into the actual node via sshd? |
| 21:24 | <gdr> | yeah, |
| 21:25 | <gdr> | LISH is used for things like.. if networking is disabled on your machine, you're still able to get into it with LISH |
| 21:25 | <LinodeJavaUser> | wait, not the website lish tool. I'm actually using putty. |
| 21:25 | <purrdeta> | you can SSH to lish though |
| 21:25 | <Kyhwana> | yes, you can ssh staright into lish |
| 21:25 | <Kyhwana> | !lish |
| 21:25 | <linbot> | LISH allows you to perform certain actions without having to log in to the Linode Manager. LISH's primary function is to allow you to access your Linode's console, even if networking is disabled. http://library.linode.com/troubleshooting/using-lish-the-linode-shell |
| 21:25 | <gdr> | yes, you can use putty/anything else with the lish user/address |
| 21:25 | * | SnoFox LISHes into SSH |
| 21:26 | <LinodeJavaUser> | ah, ok. that makes sense. thanks! |
| 21:27 | <gdr> | np <3 |
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| 21:28 | <mbreslin> | !ipinfo 86.125.98.3 |
| 21:28 | <linbot> | mbreslin: IP: 86.125.98.3; rDNS: 86-125-98-3.static.brasov.rdsnet.ro; ASN adv net: 86.120.0.0/13; ASN: AS8708; ASN owner: RCS & RDS S.A.; Abuse contact(s): abuse@rcs-rds.ro; City: Brasov; State: Brasov; Country: Romania; http://revip.info/ipinfo/86.125.98.3 |
| 21:28 | <Katana> | mm mm romania |
| 21:28 | * | Katana checks sfs |
| 21:29 | <mbreslin> | that was the spammer from the other day |
| 21:29 | <Katana> | <+Yukari-chan> Katana: Result from SFS API: looked up [86.125.98.3], no results. |
| 21:29 | <Katana> | nothing from stopforumspam |
| 21:29 | <Katana> | not a site spammer i guess |
| 21:29 | <MotoHoss> | good food in romania. |
| 21:29 | <mbreslin> | what's stopforumspam? |
| 21:29 | <mbreslin> | is that new? |
| 21:29 | <mbreslin> | :x |
| 21:29 | <staticsafe> | anti-spam tool for forums |
| 21:29 | <Katana> | wee little site |
| 21:29 | <KyleXY> | mbreslin: not really new |
| 21:29 | <Katana> | http://stopforumspam.com/ |
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| 21:29 | <KyleXY> | mbreslin: useful though |
| 21:29 | <Katana> | staticsafe: not tool, database |
| 21:30 | <mbreslin> | sorry i was baiting you ;p |
| 21:30 | <staticsafe> | yea |
| 21:30 | <KyleXY> | :p |
| 21:30 | <Katana> | we don't provide the tools |
| 21:30 | <Katana> | mbreslin: we've been around since the dawn of mankind |
| 21:30 | <Katana> | i watched you all struggle with inventing C |
| 21:30 | <staticsafe> | :O |
| 21:30 | <mbreslin> | remember that 24 hour period when you didn't mention sfs |
| 21:30 | <mbreslin> | good times |
| 21:31 | <Katana> | it actually was ongoing for a week until just now |
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| 21:31 | <Katana> | i'm blaming you for it |
| 21:31 | <mbreslin> | hehe |
| 21:31 | <mbreslin> | i'm too lazy to lastlog and mock you more ;p |
| 21:31 | <Katana> | lazy lazy |
| 21:31 | <Katana> | psh |
| 21:31 | <Katana> | it's okay so am i |
| 21:32 | <gdr> | is it lazy, or a tired lazy |
| 21:32 | <mbreslin> | 03/11(12:32) < Katana> we (the sfs team) found a site with anonymous users able to report registered users to stopforumspam through that site. |
| 21:32 | <gdr> | sluggish feeling, don't want to do anything |
| 21:32 | <mbreslin> | 03/27(18:28) * Katana checks sfs |
| 21:32 | <mbreslin> | wow |
| 21:32 | * | mbreslin shocked |
| 21:32 | <staticsafe> | :O |
| 21:32 | <gdr> | been feeling that a lot lately, super tired, wake up tired |
| 21:33 | <mbreslin> | Katana: i stand corrected, well done! |
| 21:33 | <gdr> | however, if I had a bed maybe I would not be so tired |
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| 21:35 | * | Katana bows to mbreslin |
| 21:35 | <Katana> | so that was what, two weeks maybe? |
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| 21:35 | <Katana> | mind's half melted, can't count |
| 21:35 | <Kyhwana> | hmm, written over 2PB to a bunch of intel 320 160GBs now. (that's 2PB per drive) |
| 21:35 | <mbreslin> | 16 days in between sfs' and 4 days in between stopforumspams |
| 21:35 | <mbreslin> | still probably some kind of record |
| 21:35 | <mbreslin> | i keed. |
| 21:36 | <mbreslin> | 1.5 hours until i win the lottery |
| 21:36 | * | mbreslin nervous |
| 21:36 | <Katana> | !game |
| 21:36 | <linbot> | You just lost. |
| 21:36 | <Kyhwana> | Setup some SSD linodes |
| 21:36 | <Kyhwana> | The intel 520's are pretty fast |
| 21:37 | <mbreslin> | apparently first step is to get a lawyer to setup a trust and petition the lottery to let me claim anonymously |
| 21:38 | <Katana> | that's actually the first mistake |
| 21:38 | <Katana> | paying a lawyer. |
| 21:38 | <mbreslin> | ! |
| 21:38 | <Katana> | once they get their teeth in |
| 21:38 | <Katana> | black hole money pit |
| 21:41 | <mbreslin> | if they find a way to turn a 1500$ trust creation and suck up my 194 million |
| 21:41 | <mbreslin> | they win |
| 21:41 | <mbreslin> | i will just shrug and say well played |
| 21:42 | <mbreslin> | as for linode i will finally catch them all |
| 21:42 | <mbreslin> | not that i have the slighest need for a tokyo linode but what the hell right? |
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| 21:42 | <Katana> | get prenuptuals |
| 21:43 | <mbreslin> | i'm married there isn't any way in which i wouldn't lose half the winnings |
| 21:43 | <mbreslin> | married already+ |
| 21:44 | <mbreslin> | someone tried to go the anonymous route last year because her and her husband weren't even living together and were on the verge of divorce |
| 21:44 | <mbreslin> | he got half |
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| 21:46 | <mbreslin> | it's sad that the most(only?) competant entity in our government is the irs |
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| 21:50 | <amitz> | you don't kknow if they secretly work on commission basis. |
| 21:51 | <mbreslin> | hadn't thought of that |
| 21:54 | <Katana> | oh so you're screwed |
| 21:55 | <Katana> | Dooooooomed. |
| 21:55 | * | Katana kicks Handbrake into gear, tries a re-encode for his psp |
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| 22:02 | <Brandon> | Hello, Does anyone know if a vPS CPanel license will work on a linode server? |
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| 22:03 | <@heckman> | Brandon: of course |
| 22:03 | <Brandon> | Awsome! Ordering now :) |
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| 22:06 | <Kyhwana> | hmm |
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| 22:09 | <Nemykal> | hey, how do I set up private networking between two linodes? one in tokyo, one in fremont. I've given them their respective ip's e.g. 192.168.xxx.xxx/17 but they can't ping each other? |
| 22:09 | <@akerl> | Nope |
| 22:09 | <retro|blah> | You can't |
| 22:09 | <@akerl> | The private network is private. It doesn't leave the datacenter |
| 22:09 | <Nemykal> | ah okay, so its datacentre only |
| 22:09 | <Nemykal> | fair enough |
| 22:10 | <Nemykal> | misunderstood, thought it was across all linode datacenters |
| 22:10 | <Kyhwana> | uh, yeah |
| 22:10 | <JoeK> | linode should so totally do that though |
| 22:10 | <JoeK> | set up a VPN between the D/C's :P |
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| 22:10 | <Kyhwana> | Ohoh, can they set it up so that I can access my linode via a private IP from home! and i'll get a 2nd one in a DC, I want ot access that via private IP too! |
| 22:10 | <@akerl> | ... |
| 22:11 | <pgentoo> | hey guys, just curious how cpu in a linode scales with ram. For example, if i double my ram do i end up with double cpu? |
| 22:11 | <@heckman> | All Linodes have access to four VCPUS |
| 22:11 | <@heckman> | That doesn't change based on plan size |
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| 22:11 | <squircle> | !processor |
| 22:11 | <linbot> | CPU time is rarely an issue - you get access 4 cores of a Xeon 5xxx CPU, usually a L5420. The number of Linodes per host is limited, and all Linodes on a host are the same type. In the worst-case scenario, you're splitting CPU time evenly with your fellow Linoders, but are still able to use the full potential of the host if others are idle(which they usually are). |
| 22:12 | <pgentoo> | i know xen has cpu credit though. does that change linearly based on ram out of the total available on the box? |
| 22:12 | <Kyhwana> | The bigger the plan, the less people you're sharing that box with |
| 22:12 | <squircle> | s/less/fewer/ |
| 22:12 | <Nemykal> | okay, onto another topic. how do I remove this linode i just bought from tokyo, and make a new one in fremont? |
| 22:12 | <@mikegrb> | lulz |
| 22:12 | <retro|blah> | lol squircle |
| 22:12 | <JoeK> | !migrate |
| 22:12 | <linbot> | Linodes can be migrated between datacenters by simply opening a ticket. Your disk images will be copied intact, but you will be issued a new IP address. Once a migration is configured, it makes a button on the dashboard available for you to start the migration yourself. Migration typically takes about 1-3 minutes per GB. |
| 22:13 | <pgentoo> | but, is credit scheduling set to evenly space out the cpu under load? |
| 22:13 | <squircle> | pgentoo: I would assume so, but from what I've seen, most hosts are usually close to idle. |
| 22:13 | <pgentoo> | i understand that anyone is allowed to burst though... |
| 22:14 | <pgentoo> | ok, just curious. I know i ran into issues with one vm spiking and causing load issues in others (on my own physical xen hosts) which was resolved by setting proper weights, just curious if linode did the same |
| 22:15 | <squircle> | pgentoo: well if you have multiple linodes, they're all on different hosts |
| 22:15 | <pgentoo> | i do like that the linode dashboard shows the host load as well as the vm load. :) |
| 22:15 | <@heckman> | We make sure scheduling is fair. I honestly can't think of a case where I've seen CPU contention to be an issue. |
| 22:15 | <pgentoo> | heckman, thanks. that is what i was looking for. :) |
| 22:15 | <@heckman> | np |
| 22:15 | <squircle> | why does nobody set IPv6 PTR records >:( |
| 22:16 | <pgentoo> | just have some heavier traffic coming soon for our sites (currently across 6 linodes and some physical boxes) and thought about it so figured i'd ask. :) |
| 22:16 | <@heckman> | squircle: I do for my stuff at home. |
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| 22:16 | <Kyhwana> | My ISP won't delegate my v6 prexies at home :( |
| 22:16 | <@heckman> | I don't for my Linodes as I haven't sold myself on an addressing convention |
| 22:16 | <squircle> | heckman: so do I, but I have this 21-hop MTR, and the only PTRs are my computer, my router and the final destination |
| 22:18 | <pgentoo> | heckman, when copying vm clones between datacenters, do you compress and then move, or just move as is? |
| 22:19 | <@heckman> | byte for byte copy |
| 22:21 | <pgentoo> | you try scp'ing with compression or something? Seems like it could maybe be faster? |
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| 22:21 | <squircle> | just compress it with md5sum |
| 22:22 | <squircle> | makes it really tiny |
| 22:22 | <retro|blah> | ... |
| 22:22 | * | squircle runs away, laughing evilly |
| 22:23 | <retro|blah> | a3e0d0dc52d92e7726ccca7d1d5fb275 |
| 22:23 | <retro|blah> | Have fun |
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| 22:24 | <squircle> | i'm trying to find that yahoo answers post asking how you can uncompress md5. (I used md5sum to compress but I can't figure out how to get the original file back!) |
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| 22:27 | <pgentoo> | linode have any plans on expanding to south america or Australia in the near future? |
| 22:27 | <Kyhwana> | pgentoo: they don't pre announce plans like that |
| 22:27 | <pgentoo> | ok, anyone have any recommendation for linux vm providers in those regions? |
| 22:28 | <Kyhwana> | pgentoo: you have users that are latency sensitive in those areas? |
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| 22:29 | <pgentoo> | yes |
| 22:29 | <pgentoo> | we already serve up from tokyo, uk, east and west coast in the US> but have large number of users from mobile devices in both those areas too |
| 22:30 | <Kyhwana> | ahhh |
| 22:30 | <pgentoo> | not urgent, but something we're looking into... |
| 22:31 | <Kyhwana> | I think rimuhosting has stuff in aussie and NZ |
| 22:31 | <Kyhwana> | http://rimuhosting.com/datacenters.jsp |
| 22:31 | <pgentoo> | yeah, i've heard of them |
| 22:31 | <Kyhwana> | But be aware that transit/network stuff in aussie/NZ is higher than the US/UK |
| 22:31 | <ajmitch> | too damn high |
| 22:34 | <pgentoo> | yeah, i understand that. we use very little bandwidth though, so i think it would be ok. |
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| 22:35 | * | ajmitch was pleasantly surprised at the cost of an auckland-based VPS with rimuhosting when pricing it up last week |
| 22:35 | <tyger86> | hello can any one help me with the mess of an ssh set up I made |
| 22:35 | <pgentoo> | ajmitch, did you sign up or just price it out? |
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| 22:36 | <ajmitch> | pgentoo: just priced it |
| 22:36 | <Kyhwana> | !to tyger86 ask |
| 22:36 | <linbot> | tyger86: If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient! |
| 22:36 | <ajmitch> | a little OT in here, I guess :) |
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| 22:36 | <pgentoo> | hehe, fair enough. thanks. |
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| 22:37 | <tyger86> | So I added my development rsa key to the know_hosts on my vps and no I get Received disconnect from 173.255.196.171: 2: Too many authentication failures for deployer |
| 22:37 | <tyger86> | I upped the ConnectionAttempts to 100 and restarted the ssh server but it didn't help |
| 22:37 | <ajmitch> | I hope you mean authorized_keys, not known_hosts? |
| 22:38 | <Kyhwana> | tyger86: you want to add it to .ssh/authorized_keys, not known_hosts |
| 22:38 | <tyger86> | Sorry yeah I did |
| 22:38 | <Kyhwana> | (or use ssh-copy-id, which does it automagically for you) |
| 22:38 | <Kyhwana> | tyger86: you copied the public key over? |
| 22:38 | <retro|blah> | ConnectionAttempts? Is that from fail2ban or denyhosts or something? |
| 22:39 | <tyger86> | yes with this command cat ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub | ssh $1@$2 'cat >> ~/.ssh/authorized_keys' |
| 22:39 | <retro|blah> | Oh, nm |
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| 22:40 | <Kyhwana> | tyger86: can you still login using your username/password? |
| 22:41 | <tyger86> | yes with my phone but my lap top tries to use the key and gets booted |
| 22:42 | <Kyhwana> | so tell it not to use the key? |
| 22:44 | <tyger86> | Ok but I do want to get the key working at some point what was that utility that did it automatically called |
| 22:45 | <Kyhwana> | ssh-copy-id |
| 22:45 | <tyger86> | cool I will give that a shot thank you |
| 22:45 | <Kyhwana> | are you sure you did it as the right user? |
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| 22:46 | <tyger86> | I have 2 root and deployer and I did it for both of them. I read this blog post which is why I thought it had to do with connection attempts http://blog.fromagique.com/too-many-authentication-failures-with-ssh-0 |
| 22:49 | <Kyhwana> | well, it's obviously not got the key setup if it's not letting you login with it |
| 22:54 | <tyger86> | thank you Kyhwana for the help that ssh-copy-id is a cool utility |
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| 23:01 | <Kyhwana> | yep |
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| 23:14 | <john51> | I'm trying to backup my linode with the instructions from the linode library: http://library.linode.com/linode-platform/migration/copy-disk-image-over-ssh |
| 23:15 | <john51> | However, I dd-ed the disk image to my computer and tried to mount it, but no filesystem was recognized |
| 23:15 | <john51> | Output of fdisk: |
| 23:15 | <bob2> | fdisk looks for a partition table not a filesystem |
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| 23:15 | <bob2> | so you'll need to say how you came to the conclusion that "no filesystem was recognized" |
| 23:16 | <john51> | http://pastebin.com/QTARJSBC |
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| 23:16 | <john51> | @bob2: Mac's disk image utility says no FS is in the disk image |
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| 23:16 | <bob2> | this isn't twitter |
| 23:17 | <bob2> | also OS X has no ext2/3/4 support |
| 23:17 | <bob2> | so unsurprising |
| 23:17 | <john51> | oh, alright |
| 23:17 | <john51> | thanks |
| 23:17 | <bob2> | there's some third party drive I think |
| 23:17 | <bob2> | no idea if it is any good or not |
| 23:17 | <john51> | ok, I'll try to see if there are any ext3 plugins for the mac |
| 23:18 | <bob2> | an image itself probably isn't super useful if you're an os x user |
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| 23:19 | <Adam2> | hello |
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| 23:20 | <Adam2> | question - I can putty into my linode server using the lish url/ip. But when I putty using the ssh url/ip, it says Network Error: connection refused. |
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| 23:21 | <Adam2> | anyone seen this before? |
| 23:21 | <auraka> | Adam2: firewall? |
| 23:21 | <@Praefectus> | did you change your ssh port? |
| 23:21 | <bob2> | == you broke ssh |
| 23:22 | <Adam2> | i'm new to this box. so I'm not exactly sure if the previous dev setup or broke something. |
| 23:22 | <Adam2> | how do I check the ssh port? |
| 23:22 | <@akerl> | Adam2: netstat -lpn |
| 23:22 | <auraka> | or lsof -n -iTCP |
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| 23:23 | <auraka> | or lsof -n -P -iTCP might be even better to not resolve ports against /etc/services |
| 23:23 | <auraka> | but i'm betting firewall |
| 23:25 | <Kyhwana> | or changed ssh port |
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| 23:28 | <Adam2> | lsof -n -iTCP and lsof -n -P -iTCP don't return anything |
| 23:28 | <Adam2> | netstat -lpn returns a lot but nothing on port 22 |
| 23:29 | <Kyhwana> | then it's not listening on port 22. What port does it say sshd is listening on? |
| 23:29 | <Kyhwana> | (under listen address) |
| 23:29 | <@Praefectus> | Adam2: grep Port /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
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| 23:32 | <Adam2> | awesome. that grep returned port a way different port. perfect |
| 23:32 | <auraka> | and i lose :-/ |
| 23:33 | <Smark> | when using nginx load balancing (upstream) does all the data still pass through the balancer, or is it passed off to the other nodes? |
| 23:33 | <Adam2> | thanks auraka |
| 23:33 | <bob2> | both |
| 23:34 | <bob2> | not sure what you mean though |
| 23:34 | <@akerl> | Smark: How would the traffic know where to go if it weren't being passed through the balancer? |
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| 23:36 | <Kyhwana> | magic |
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| 23:59 | <linbot> | Point (0.93822994, 0.50680314) falls outside of the unit circle. Hits: 110515 of 140290 (π ≈ 3.151044265450139 - 0.009451611860346). http://π.hoopycat.com/ |
| 23:59 | <Kyhwana> | !pi |
| 23:59 | <linbot> | Kyhwana: Point (0.14528390, 0.31814150) lies within the unit circle. Hits: 110516 of 140291 (π ≈ 3.151050316841423 - 0.009457663251629). http://π.hoopycat.com/ |
| 23:59 | <Kyhwana> | still not 3.14 |
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