| --- | Log | opened Wed Jan 18 00:00:15 2012 |
| 00:00 | <squircle> | there's a whole page by the Canadian government saying why the PATRIOT act is bad |
| 00:00 | <squircle> | go figure |
| 00:00 | <auraka> | obviously they are unpatriotic |
| 00:00 | <puhola> | ah, cool, wikipedia is down now |
| 00:01 | <EugeneKay> | The thing that amazes me is the level of cluelessness people have about the legislative process. It's been "rich tell the poor what to do" for thousands of years. |
| 00:01 | <EugeneKay> | Corporate control of the government is NOT new. |
| 00:01 | <squircle> | puhola: not for me! |
| 00:01 | <squircle> | EugeneKay: I'm ignorant of the US legislative process because I'm Canadian! (I was wondering if it was similar down there) |
| 00:01 | <EugeneKay> | I mean, the whole "Occupy" bullcrap. |
| 00:01 | <puhola> | squircle? huh? how? why not? |
| 00:02 | <squircle> | puhola: dunno! I tried clearing my cache, and it's still up. maybe 'cause I'm logged in...? |
| 00:02 | <puhola> | hmmmm, shit. I should have logged in. I just started my hw like 5 min ago |
| 00:02 | <synapt> | Hm interesting |
| 00:02 | <synapt> | They're just 'overlaying' a layer |
| 00:03 | <synapt> | All the wiki content is there behind the blackout page |
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| 00:03 | <squircle> | maybe my ad-blocker is helping me? |
| 00:03 | <synapt> | I don't know that an ad-blocker would necessarily effect it |
| 00:03 | <synapt> | are you US? |
| 00:03 | <synapt> | As far as I'm aware it's only the en.* wiki |
| 00:03 | <squircle> | nope, and it is my ad-blocker |
| 00:03 | <pharaun> | wikipedia is down |
| 00:03 | <squircle> | tried in safari and I see it |
| 00:03 | <puhola> | ahh, google changed their logo |
| 00:03 | <EugeneKay> | Hell, a Stylish rule will do it. |
| 00:04 | <cehartung> | I'm seeing a statement with a 'contact your representative lookup |
| 00:05 | <puhola> | but the page does render for me |
| 00:05 | <pharaun> | reddit is still up |
| 00:05 | <cehartung> | enter your zip code (postal code) |
| 00:05 | <pharaun> | hacker news is still up |
| 00:05 | <puhola> | it's only after a quick second that it shows me the black protest message |
| 00:05 | <squircle> | http://boingboing.net/ is down |
| 00:05 | <pharaun> | facebook is up too, figures |
| 00:05 | <pharaun> | its in their interest |
| 00:05 | <puhola> | reddit is going down in 2 hours or something. they're going by pacific time |
| 00:05 | <pharaun> | oh pacific? explains |
| 00:05 | <puhola> | oh no, 7 hours. |
| 00:06 | <pharaun> | er why? |
| 00:06 | <pharaun> | that makes no sense |
| 00:06 | <bss> | google's page is up |
| 00:06 | <puhola> | god knows. I wish they hadn't. silly reason -- out of sync with google, wikipedia, et al.'s actions |
| 00:06 | <squircle> | three hours |
| 00:06 | <EugeneKay> | Stylish CSS rule I just wrote to DeSOPAte Wikipedia: http://pastebin.com/tvZ4fYQ2 |
| 00:06 | <Heron> | google isn't going dark though |
| 00:06 | <squircle> | silly left coast |
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| 00:06 | <Heron> | they're just going to put up some info |
| 00:06 | <bss> | yeah, that's what i meant --- that's up |
| 00:07 | <Heron> | ah |
| 00:07 | <Heron> | sorry :) |
| 00:07 | <bss> | :) |
| 00:07 | <puhola> | I see that stylish is a firefox extension -- what avenue would I take to view wikipedia pages on chrome? |
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| 00:07 | <pharaun> | yes google page is up but their logo is gone |
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| 00:08 | <squircle> | puhola: the default blocklist for adblock will block the layer for you |
| 00:08 | <EugeneKay> | I'm sure there's a plugin for Chrome |
| 00:08 | <squircle> | uhh... there's stylish for chrome... |
| 00:08 | <bss> | the logo approach is interesting. it's striking enough without being detrimental |
| 00:08 | <squircle> | https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/fjnbnpbmkenffdnngjfgmeleoegfcffe |
| 00:09 | <EugeneKay> | And fiddling the logo is something they have a long history of doing. |
| 00:09 | <mikegrb> | lulz |
| 00:09 | <Heron> | lol. I clicked on the PDF that's linked here: https://www.google.com/landing/takeaction/ |
| 00:09 | <Heron> | and it took me to a Google Docs page... |
| 00:09 | <Heron> | ... and said I don't have permission. |
| 00:09 | <EugeneKay> | Nice. |
| 00:09 | <Heron> | oh, maybe they just hammered themselves too hard |
| 00:09 | <Heron> | it says "we are unable to retrieve the document, or you don't have permission" |
| 00:10 | <cehartung> | maybe you need to be logged in? |
| 00:10 | <EugeneKay> | Download Original link worked for me |
| 00:10 | <mikegrb> | lulz |
| 00:10 | <pharaun> | lol yeah |
| 00:10 | <Heron> | maybe it's because i'm logged in and using chrome? |
| 00:10 | <Heron> | not sure why it made the pdf link go to google docs |
| 00:10 | <Heron> | the direct link works fine |
| 00:11 | <puhola> | for what URL would I add the stylish thing? how about: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/* -- because that apparently does not work |
| 00:11 | <cehartung> | interesting ... right pane "Error: ..." |
| 00:12 | <EugeneKay> | Dunno in chrome, but that style has it self-included for FF syntax |
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| 00:13 | <cehartung> | did we lose caker? |
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| 00:13 | <puhola> | wow that's interesting, even when I specify it to have it apply on "everything", it still goes to the black screen |
| 00:13 | <pharaun> | why are you working around this :p |
| 00:14 | <pharaun> | go call your senate/congress person or call your friendly americans and provocate them into action :p |
| 00:14 | <squircle> | http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:BannerLoader&banner=blackout |
| 00:14 | <squircle> | that's the element you have to block methinks |
| 00:15 | <EugeneKay> | That is one ugly bit of JS |
| 00:16 | <squircle> | for one ugly piece of legislation |
| 00:16 | <puhola> | it's intently obfuscated |
| 00:17 | <puhola> | speaking of which, why is html/js code obfuscated? I remember reading that as one of the checklist things developers do as a precautionary measure. I was confused why |
| 00:17 | * | zivester ha, just noticed google homepage... awesome |
| 00:18 | <EugeneKay> | Cuz haxors |
| 00:18 | <squircle> | google homepage looks totally normal to me... should it not be? |
| 00:19 | <zivester> | https://www.google.com/logos/2012/sopa12_hp.png |
| 00:19 | <zivester> | thats what i see |
| 00:19 | <squircle> | aah |
| 00:19 | <squircle> | maybe it's only for US IPs |
| 00:19 | <Heron> | yep |
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| 00:20 | <puhola> | squircle: wikipedia is up for you? |
| 00:20 | <puhola> | I think because you have javascript disabled? it seems accessible with js disabled |
| 00:20 | <Defenestrator> | Yeah, I think it's just for the US |
| 00:20 | <Heron> | (for google, anyway) |
| 00:20 | <MTecknology> | u!speedtest |
| 00:20 | <MTecknology> | !speedtest |
| 00:20 | <squircle> | puhola: i added a rule for my adblocker to remove the overlay |
| 00:20 | <MTecknology> | what was the link for that again? |
| 00:20 | <Defenestrator> | Yeah, they're loading the overlay with JS pretty late in the rendering, seems like. If you're quick with the esc key you can stop it too |
| 00:20 | <puhola> | squircle: give me the rule please? |
| 00:21 | <squircle> | it's up there ^^ |
| 00:21 | <squircle> | block this: http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:BannerLoader&banner=blackout |
| 00:21 | <puhola> | defenstator: hm, Esc? in what browser? how does that work out? is that like a Chrome shortcut to stop rendering the page or what? |
| 00:21 | <EugeneKay> | Or just block Special:BannerLoader totally |
| 00:21 | <auraka> | https://www.google.com/landing/takeaction/community/ <--- does anyone find it ironic that google lists Torrentfreak? |
| 00:22 | <EugeneKay> | Should nuke the dreadfal beg banners, too ;-) |
| 00:22 | <squircle> | puhola: it's a shortcut to "stop" |
| 00:22 | <Defenestrator> | puhola: most browsers, I think. Stop load as well as js execution basically |
| 00:22 | <bss> | hmm. namecheap is slow as molasses for me right now |
| 00:22 | <puhola> | Interesting! escíng it does work. That's very clever, how did you come to think of that solution? |
| 00:22 | <pharaun> | this was upon request |
| 00:22 | <puhola> | hm ok |
| 00:22 | <pharaun> | for emergency |
| 00:22 | <squircle> | because the js is the last thing it loads |
| 00:23 | <squircle> | watching Special:RecentChanges is entertaining |
| 00:23 | <EugeneKay> | Who started the "Jan 18th" thing, anyway? Reddit? |
| 00:23 | <squircle> | as people figure out how to get around the blackout |
| 00:23 | <pharaun> | dunno |
| 00:23 | <dzho> | routine use of NoScript ftw |
| 00:23 | <EugeneKay> | I think they were the first to majorly announce it |
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| 00:24 | <zivester> | reddit did.. .i think it was when they were originally suppose to vote/talk about SOPA |
| 00:24 | <cehartung> | hey all, anyone here actually /from/ linode? |
| 00:24 | <zivester> | (in congress) |
| 00:24 | <praetorian> | !ops |
| 00:24 | <linbot> | Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community. Official Linode contact information: http://www.linode.com/about/ |
| 00:24 | <pharaun> | cehartung: anyone with snail in their name |
| 00:25 | <cehartung> | yeah, thanks |
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| 00:25 | <cehartung> | not happy with this Empathy client |
| 00:25 | <puhola> | snail, heh. that's cute. |
| 00:25 | <EugeneKay> | Escargot |
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| 00:26 | <JshWright> | cehartung: bear in mind, it's after midnight at Linode HQ, and this is a community channel. If you absolutely need to talk to someone from Linode, a ticket or e-mail would be the way to do it |
| 00:26 | <pharaun> | ^ would be wise if its emergency |
| 00:26 | <cehartung> | no emergency |
| 00:26 | <pharaun> | but if its some general support stuff we can probably help |
| 00:27 | <cehartung> | just curious who's hanging out here this late ... |
| 00:27 | <cehartung> | I'm on US Eastern time, too |
| 00:27 | <JshWright> | Linode has support staff on 24/7, so tickets are always answered, but staff participation drops off after hours |
| 00:27 | <cehartung> | caker took off about the same time as I figured out who he was |
| 00:28 | <JshWright> | not to say many of them don't hang out here when they're off duty, but it's certainly slower |
| 00:28 | <cehartung> | I'd have figured that much |
| 00:28 | <cehartung> | so you people are customers, then |
| 00:28 | <cehartung> | or friends of customers? |
| 00:28 | <JshWright> | the vast majoirty are customers |
| 00:29 | <praetorian> | or rackspace employees |
| 00:29 | <praetorian> | *g* |
| 00:29 | <mikegrb> | lulz |
| 00:29 | <cehartung> | lol |
| 00:29 | <auraka> | ZING! |
| 00:29 | <cehartung> | chaching! |
| 00:29 | <JshWright> | some potential cutomers, some previous cutomers, and a handful of non-custoemrs |
| 00:29 | <cehartung> | that's almost as funny as 'winode' |
| 00:29 | <auraka> | a.k.a freeloaders |
| 00:30 | <cehartung> | ah, thanks for filling in the blanks for me |
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| 00:31 | <cehartung> | nice to see a real community here |
| 00:31 | <cehartung> | I've been evaluating vps hosting services |
| 00:32 | <JshWright> | you won't find a better community |
| 00:32 | <cehartung> | a very large number of them out there no longer monitor their IRC |
| 00:32 | <cehartung> | or they respond two or three days later to even a 'pre-sale' inquiry |
| 00:32 | <cehartung> | never ever do you get a phone call back |
| 00:32 | <praetorian> | linode once gave me crap response on a ticket |
| 00:32 | <praetorian> | i had to wait *5 minutes* |
| 00:33 | <mikegrb> | lulz |
| 00:33 | <cehartung> | lol |
| 00:33 | <praetorian> | seriously. |
| 00:33 | <cehartung> | I like linode |
| 00:33 | <cehartung> | I had a very good but very brief experience |
| 00:33 | <cehartung> | contemplating giving 'em another try |
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| 00:34 | <@Praefectus> | what's to contemplate? |
| 00:34 | <cehartung> | it all went sour when my e-mail got ignored |
| 00:34 | <cehartung> | it was technically an excellent experience but I thought the CS sucked |
| 00:35 | <MTecknology> | I've never before heard of linode costomer service not being good |
| 00:35 | <auraka> | well....no one at Linode ever wakes up in the morning and says "how am I going to provide crappy support today"..... |
| 00:35 | <cehartung> | of course not |
| 00:35 | <JshWright> | if you have an account, a ticket is a _much_ better way to go |
| 00:36 | <MTecknology> | I worked at a company where they tried to teach you how to lie to customers to get more money from services |
| 00:36 | <praetorian> | (or you could just.. call them :)) |
| 00:36 | <auraka> | cehartung: were you a gentoo/arch user? It could have been justifiable |
| 00:36 | <mikegrb> | lulz |
| 00:36 | <cehartung> | lol |
| 00:36 | * | praetorian adds auraka to the throw poop list |
| 00:36 | <MTecknology> | I actually need to open a support ticket sometime... |
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| 00:36 | <JshWright> | please don't sar Arch... please don't say Arch... please don't say Arch... |
| 00:37 | <cehartung> | I'm pretty sure I submitted my correspondence by ticket |
| 00:37 | <MTecknology> | JshWright: you stuttered |
| 00:37 | <bob2> | just pay a small premium to get put on a no-moron host |
| 00:37 | <bob2> | no arch users or gentoo users or irc servers |
| 00:37 | <@Praefectus> | cehartung: what was the email about that was ignored? |
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| 00:37 | <JshWright> | MTecknology: it happens... long class, couple hours at the bar... |
| 00:37 | <SleePy> | I should open a ticket. Just because it would be my first ticket :D |
| 00:37 | <praetorian> | bob2: id like to be on a host without those ubuntu users. |
| 00:37 | <bob2> | praetorian, ditto |
| 00:37 | <cehartung> | I explained I'm a small web developer |
| 00:38 | <auraka> | praetorian: you and the other two arch/gentoo users wouldn't be able to pay for the server then :-/ |
| 00:38 | <MTecknology> | JshWright: i was thinking more like a scared, don't say it, i can't stand it, about to roge kinda stutter |
| 00:38 | <auraka> | they'd go bankrupt |
| 00:38 | <MTecknology> | SleePy: one to say hi? |
| 00:39 | <pharaun> | MTecknology: i did |
| 00:39 | <SleePy> | Either that or ask them a really impossible question |
| 00:39 | <MTecknology> | cehartung: I've been able to run 10 sites both moderately used without any issues at all on the smallest linode at the time, don't remember what that was then.. |
| 00:39 | <auraka> | I've never had a subpar response from linode even though I may have deserved one.... |
| 00:39 | <praetorian> | auraka: boo |
| 00:39 | <cehartung> | anyway, it was obvious my e-mail / ticket wasn't understood |
| 00:39 | <praetorian> | i can name more than two usres on arch now :P |
| 00:39 | <auraka> | and count them on one hand |
| 00:40 | <cehartung> | I have clients with SSL requirements = dedicated IPs |
| 00:40 | <praetorian> | the ones i know personally. im sure there is more ;) |
| 00:40 | <MTecknology> | praetorian: maybe up to five more! |
| 00:40 | <praetorian> | hush :P |
| 00:40 | <praetorian> | arch is surprisingly grown in popularity. |
| 00:40 | <MTecknology> | cehartung: you don't really need a dedicated ip per https site |
| 00:41 | <MTecknology> | unless you're supporting ie6? |
| 00:41 | <MTecknology> | not sure when that stopped being the case |
| 00:41 | <cehartung> | I know my requirements |
| 00:41 | * | Heron uses arch |
| 00:41 | * | pharaun gives a disapproving glare at arch users |
| 00:41 | <praetorian> | http://distrowatch.com/ - #6 ! |
| 00:41 | <praetorian> | b[3~eeating centos! |
| 00:41 | <mikegrb> | lulz |
| 00:41 | <bob2> | lol distrowatch |
| 00:41 | <Heron> | pharaun: at least I don't use gentoo anymore! ;) |
| 00:41 | <praetorian> | bob2: :P |
| 00:41 | <bob2> | ha ha ha ha ha ha |
| 00:41 | <JshWright> | Linode is a very responsible service provider, especially when it comes to IPv4 allocation |
| 00:41 | <pharaun> | Heron: hah |
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| 00:42 | <auraka> | praetorian: I have come to the conclusion that gentoo/arch people are Sadomasichists |
| 00:42 | <JshWright> | Heron: how do you like that pacakge verification? |
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| 00:42 | <pharaun> | Heron: i rebuild my gentoo desktop in hours :3 |
| 00:42 | <pharaun> | all servers are debian ofc |
| 00:42 | <JshWright> | I've got nothing against gentoo... Arch is a scary distro for a server |
| 00:42 | <praetorian> | auraka: why? |
| 00:42 | <SleePy> | Debian 6.0.3 $26.95 <-- wtf? |
| 00:42 | <auraka> | praetorian: both like lots of pain for little reward |
| 00:42 | <pharaun> | yeah at least gentoo got some sort of gpg/checksum/etc, arch don't :( |
| 00:43 | <praetorian> | JshWright: psst |
| 00:43 | <cehartung> | JshWright: I understand the situation |
| 00:43 | <praetorian> | JshWright: arch has signed packages |
| 00:43 | <praetorian> | kthx |
| 00:43 | <pharaun> | gpg? |
| 00:43 | <praetorian> | gpg |
| 00:43 | <bss> | just recently |
| 00:43 | <auraka> | rnowak: tell them you have scientifically verified this |
| 00:43 | <praetorian> | http://www.archlinux.org/news/pacman-4-moves-to-core/ |
| 00:44 | <cehartung> | JshWright: I don't think my requirement is unusual |
| 00:44 | <@Praefectus> | However, until the last few details regarding database signing and keyring distribution are ironed out, this is disabled in pacman's default config. |
| 00:44 | <Heron> | I use gentoo on my server here at home, arch on my linodes, ubuntu on my desktop |
| 00:44 | <MTecknology> | it is actually |
| 00:44 | <Heron> | or wait, i guess i'm using arch on my desktop VM righ tnow |
| 00:44 | <cehartung> | JshWright: or unreasonable |
| 00:44 | <MTecknology> | it is actually |
| 00:44 | <Heron> | ubuntu kept not working |
| 00:44 | <pharaun> | Heron: that's backward |
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| 00:44 | * | MTecknology runs off |
| 00:45 | <pharaun> | Heron: i can see gentoo on desktop where it would be benefitful, but gentoo on servers :\ |
| 00:45 | <Heron> | pharaun: it's more an artifact of when I switched distros in general |
| 00:45 | <Heron> | I used to run gentoo on my desktop and laptop |
| 00:45 | <JshWright> | cehartung: I obviously don't know anything about your specific requirements, and I'm certainly not trying to pick a fight, I'm just saying that I, as a Linode customer, appreciate the fact that they act responsibly, even if it's the easiest, or most profitable, thing to do |
| 00:45 | <pharaun> | Heron: hehe alright :) |
| 00:45 | <Heron> | it's how I learned that OpenOffice.org compile times can be improved drastically by putting /var/portage/tmp on a 9GB ramdisk |
| 00:46 | <praetorian> | arch on servers isnt scary. |
| 00:46 | <pharaun> | Heron: i'm just a big fan of debian for servers, gentoo for my desktop |
| 00:46 | <pharaun> | Heron: haha yeah |
| 00:46 | <pharaun> | oo.org is just sad |
| 00:46 | <praetorian> | i always cheated. openoffice-bin |
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| 00:46 | <bss> | my two vanity linodes are gentoo. but i've also used it for approaching a decade now, it long ago reached a point that i could administer it in my sleep |
| 00:46 | <Heron> | these days I don't have the patience to wait for things to compile |
| 00:46 | <bss> | no point in switching |
| 00:46 | <pharaun> | chromium is down to 4-5 minute build on my desktop :) |
| 00:46 | <auraka> | using arch is like hunting boar with a needle...sure you may eventually get the job done but there is going to be lots of pain and you have to deal with all the pricks |
| 00:46 | <Heron> | I keep trying to use ubuntu but I consistently have show-stopping problems with it |
| 00:46 | <Heron> | so, I end up using arch |
| 00:46 | <JshWright> | cehartung: SNI wouldn't work for you? |
| 00:46 | <praetorian> | cant say ive seen arch been painful, fwiw |
| 00:46 | <pharaun> | i hate ubuntu |
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| 00:47 | <pharaun> | i've tried ubuntu a few time |
| 00:47 | <pharaun> | i ended up just being all pissed at it and tossing it out |
| 00:47 | <pharaun> | fedora isn't bad so far, but i prefer debian or gentoo |
| 00:47 | <JshWright> | (I'm just curious, still not trying to pick a fight) |
| 00:47 | <Heron> | don't get me wrong, I don't dislike gentoo |
| 00:47 | <Heron> | i'm just not as patient as I used to be |
| 00:47 | <bss> | isn't SNI adoption still spotty? |
| 00:47 | <auraka> | Heron: wisdom with age |
| 00:48 | <pharaun> | android browsers/mobile browsers i think |
| 00:48 | <Heron> | er, yes, let's call it wisdom |
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| 00:48 | <pharaun> | i think the main issues is mobile and ie6 |
| 00:48 | <cehartung> | JshWright: I don't believe it is unreasonable to ask for 5 IPs for myself and six clients |
| 00:48 | <Heron> | sounds better than "more impatient" |
| 00:48 | <pharaun> | Heron: fair enough :) |
| 00:48 | <Heron> | speaking of which |
| 00:48 | <Katana> | cehartung: look at it from their perspective, the more IPs they sell you, the less nodes they can sell |
| 00:48 | <Heron> | I should probably update my server |
| 00:48 | <pharaun> | Heron: but then again i do world rebuilds in hours :) so its not like its that slow :p |
| 00:48 | <MTecknology> | cehartung: I think it is |
| 00:48 | <Heron> | my home server hasn't been updated in ages |
| 00:48 | <pharaun> | haha yeah |
| 00:49 | <@heckman> | cehartung: why do you need that many IPs? |
| 00:49 | <pharaun> | i recently moved my home server off gentoo -> debian 6 |
| 00:49 | <Katana> | cehartung: each node requires at least one IPv4 address, and assigning more to already existing nodes means less revenue |
| 00:49 | <Heron> | i'm not even sure how to tell how long it has been |
| 00:49 | <JshWright> | cehartung: to what end? assuming you don't need IE6 support, there's no technical reason for different IPs |
| 00:49 | <MTecknology> | Heron: he thinks he needs one per https site |
| 00:49 | <MTecknology> | heckman: * |
| 00:49 | <praetorian> | i used gentoo on my desktop. reason i really moved away from it, was i could get lazy and forget to update. so it would be always a pain updating. |
| 00:49 | <pharaun> | its so much nicer to be able to do apt-get upgrade and be fairly sure it'll work :) |
| 00:49 | <praetorian> | and arch solved that. |
| 00:49 | <pharaun> | praetorian: yeah it can be |
| 00:49 | <Heron> | pharaun: that's exactly why I haven't updated my home server |
| 00:49 | <Heron> | i'm afraid I'll break something :( |
| 00:49 | <@heckman> | Isn't it IE6 on XP and IE7 on XP as well (or am I thinking of something else?) |
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| 00:49 | * | bss just finished a rebuild-world-then-restart-all-services cycle on his servers. kind of fun in a way |
| 00:49 | <cehartung> | JshWright: four different small companies, each with SSL, me as web designer / host |
| 00:49 | <pharaun> | but i been using this for so long that i do all of this in my sleep :) |
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| 00:50 | <pharaun> | cehartung: what's your exact requirement |
| 00:50 | <Katana> | heckman: IE6 isn't available on win6.x iirc |
| 00:50 | <@heckman> | Katana: correct |
| 00:50 | <pharaun> | cehartung: do you need to support ie6, or some mobile? if no, then you should be fine with SNI |
| 00:50 | <@heckman> | Don't some modern mobile browsers support it? (iOS/Android) |
| 00:50 | <bss> | shame on them if they don't :| |
| 00:50 | <cehartung> | these are existing websites with existing SSL certs that need to be rekeyed when the sites are moved |
| 00:50 | <praetorian> | i could check if they did heckman |
| 00:50 | <praetorian> | but wikipedia is down. |
| 00:51 | <JshWright> | cehartung: that still doesn't imply a need for discrete IPv4 addresses. I run half a dozen sites off my node, 4 of them for clients, all with SSL, and only one IPv4 address |
| 00:51 | <MTecknology> | IE6.... why will people not let it just die!!! |
| 00:51 | <praetorian> | i cbf adding in the javascript hack |
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| 00:51 | <cehartung> | how does that work with PayPal and Authorize.net etc? |
| 00:51 | <pharaun> | JshWright: http://pastebin.com/eXyeBmwg |
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| 00:52 | <pharaun> | those are the browser that don't support sni, if he's not required to use support one of these |
| 00:52 | <pharaun> | then there is no technical reason why not to use SNI |
| 00:52 | <MTecknology> | cehartung: you pay by credit card, that's it |
| 00:52 | <Katana> | cehartung: as a word of caution, there's an increasing amount of paypal abuse against sellers lately. may want to caution your clients about that |
| 00:52 | <Katana> | MTecknology: you misread |
| 00:52 | <pharaun> | cehartung: http://pastebin.com/eXyeBmwg |
| 00:52 | <MTecknology> | did i? |
| 00:52 | <MTecknology> | did that change? |
| 00:52 | <Heron> | that's why I try to withdraw my meager paypal earnings frequently |
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| 00:52 | <Katana> | MTecknology: your answer is irrelevant - he's talking about him doing the selling |
| 00:52 | <JshWright> | cehartung: I assume you mean for webhook responses? |
| 00:52 | <pharaun> | cehartung: do you support any of this? if no, then no, you do *not* need per ip ssl |
| 00:52 | <MTecknology> | oooooh |
| 00:52 | <MTecknology> | sorry |
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| 00:53 | <JshWright> | cehartung: that's an excellent question... I don't know... Google Checkout plays with it just fine, but that's the only payment provider I use |
| 00:53 | <rmk> | Hi guys, have a question. Is it possible to create a vpn endpoint on a linode box, which serves as a gateway to other linodes for that tunnel? |
| 00:53 | <JshWright> | rmk: sure |
| 00:53 | <pharaun> | heckman: only ics or honeycomb for android supports |
| 00:53 | <pharaun> | heckman: if any older one, HA HA |
| 00:53 | <@heckman> | I saw. |
| 00:53 | <bob2> | you can route things however you like |
| 00:54 | <@heckman> | So that's most of the Android eco-system |
| 00:54 | <rmk> | bob2: That was really the question yeah. |
| 00:54 | <pharaun> | heckman: http://pastebin.com/eXyeBmwg |
| 00:54 | <pharaun> | yeah pretty much :( |
| 00:54 | <JshWright> | rmk: you'll want to use either the private network, or IPv6 for inter-node communciation |
| 00:54 | <rmk> | OK great. |
| 00:54 | <@heckman> | Is there a reason why you keep pasting it? |
| 00:54 | <rmk> | Because that's not possible with other cloud providers. |
| 00:54 | <pharaun> | heckman: im bored? ;) |
| 00:54 | <Katana> | fwiw - unreal 2 is fun. Good buy from GoG |
| 00:54 | * | Katana yawns |
| 00:55 | <bob2> | rmk, well, some of them |
| 00:55 | <bob2> | also, best to keep meaningless words like 'cloud' out of technical discussions |
| 00:55 | <pharaun> | !cloud |
| 00:55 | <linbot> | I'm leaving Linode for the cloud! |
| 00:55 | <rmk> | Heh sorry yeah. |
| 00:55 | <rmk> | I hate the overuse of the term also. |
| 00:55 | <rmk> | Let's call them IaaS providers. |
| 00:55 | <@heckman> | We were going to go to the cloud. |
| 00:55 | <@heckman> | But it corroded the hard drives. :/ |
| 00:55 | <praetorian> | !cloud |
| 00:55 | <linbot> | I'm leaving Linode for the cloud! |
| 00:55 | <Katana> | but now it's all in SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACE? |
| 00:56 | <Katana> | oh |
| 00:56 | <Katana> | dangit |
| 00:56 | <auraka> | heckman: sorry buddy you''re going to hell in a handbasket....no clouds for you |
| 00:56 | <Katana> | Joke murdered. RIP joke. |
| 00:57 | * | Katana notices google's logo |
| 00:57 | <pharaun> | Katana: old news ;) |
| 00:58 | <pharaun> | still glad to see that they're doing it |
| 00:58 | <praetorian> | the cartoon? |
| 00:58 | <pharaun> | praetorian: no google.com logo |
| 00:58 | <pharaun> | its blacked out |
| 00:58 | <praetorian> | oh who goes to google.com |
| 00:58 | <cehartung> | very very interesting this SNI |
| 00:58 | <pharaun> | all search pages are blacked out too |
| 00:58 | <praetorian> | doesnt appear for me as black |
| 00:58 | <pharaun> | american only |
| 00:58 | <praetorian> | even google.com |
| 00:58 | <pharaun> | praetorian: probably just lucky, its probably still rolling out |
| 00:59 | <praetorian> | nod |
| 00:59 | <pharaun> | with god who knows how many servers it probably take a while to ripple out |
| 00:59 | <praetorian> | they need a cloud |
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| 00:59 | <pharaun> | at work we only have several tens of dozen servers and it still takes a while for our code push to go out |
| 00:59 | <Defenestrator> | Hah. They *are* a cloud :P |
| 00:59 | <cehartung> | thanks for the link JshMWright |
| 00:59 | <praetorian> | at work with have iis.. oh it is lucky to make it out |
| 00:59 | <Defenestrator> | Usually, this sort of thing gets rolled out ahead of time then cut over so there's less inconsistency though. |
| 01:00 | <pharaun> | praetorian: ha |
| 01:00 | <pharaun> | Defenestrator: but for a logo change its not like its critical |
| 01:00 | <pharaun> | to be all synchronized ya know |
| 01:00 | <Defenestrator> | Yeah, but that's probably the mechanism for rolling out changes that they've built |
| 01:00 | <Defenestrator> | so they're likely to use it anyways |
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| 01:01 | <@heckman> | meh, oh well |
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| 01:01 | <Knight> | sup padre @ heckman |
| 01:01 | * | Katana wanders off to bed |
| 01:01 | <@heckman> | Nothing too much, hacking on some code. Yourself? |
| 01:01 | <Katana> | g'night |
| 01:01 | <pharaun> | heckman: you mean hecking some code? |
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| 01:02 | <cehartung> | JshWright: you have a SSL / SNI enabled URL I can check out? |
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| 01:03 | <@heckman> | pharaun: I suppose that's applicable as well |
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| 01:08 | <praetorian> | i did some html5 canvas stuff the other day. |
| 01:08 | <praetorian> | so easy. |
| 01:08 | <pharaun> | hows browser support? |
| 01:10 | <praetorian> | pharaun: worked in everything but ie 8 |
| 01:10 | <praetorian> | ie 9 is fine |
| 01:11 | <pharaun> | praetorian: nice |
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| 01:20 | <orudie_> | is there a linode distro chart ? |
| 01:21 | <retro|blah> | orudie_: https://www.linode.com/faq.cfm#which-distributions-do-you-offer |
| 01:23 | <orudie_> | retro|blah, thanks, but its not what I'm looking for. There was a graph illustrating the number of distros |
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| 01:23 | <orudie_> | retro|blah, I believe ..... |
| 01:23 | <retro|blah> | You mean % breakdown of Linodes by distro? |
| 01:23 | <orudie_> | yeah |
| 01:23 | <orudie_> | something like that |
| 01:23 | * | CaptObviousman wanders in |
| 01:23 | <retro|blah> | https://www.linode.com/about/ on the right |
| 01:23 | * | CaptObviousman shits on the coats |
| 01:23 | * | CaptObviousman leaves |
| 01:24 | * | retro|blah claps |
| 01:24 | <retro|blah> | Dinnertime |
| 01:24 | <orudie_> | heh |
| 01:24 | <orudie_> | yeah, but there was a graphic chart, a bar graph I believe. :) |
| 01:25 | <CaptObviousman> | Kyh: you know you're unredacted right? |
| 01:26 | <orudie_> | retro|blah, anyway thanks |
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| 01:34 | <CaptObviousman> | so, my other channels are quiet, what's happening in here? |
| 01:35 | <avenj> | shhh. we're all sitting here quietly for the SOPA blackout. |
| 01:35 | <CaptObviousman> | well that's lame. Why do you think I'm in here looking for something to do? |
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| 01:38 | <SleePy> | Go read a book or learn something new |
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| 01:52 | <Hoggs> | linode blackout? :O |
| 01:55 | <CaptObviousman> | dear god no |
| 01:55 | <Knight> | linode colorlessout? |
| 01:56 | <CaptObviousman> | how about linode alwayson |
| 01:56 | * | CaptObviousman wins? |
| 01:56 | <Knight> | == colorlessout |
| 01:56 | <Hoggs> | Good question though - Does linode support or oppose sopa? |
| 01:56 | <Hoggs> | or just neutral |
| 01:56 | <EugeneKay> | Spoiler: oppose |
| 01:57 | * | CaptObviousman is late |
| 01:57 | <Hoggs> | EugeneKay: Officially, or just saying that |
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| 01:57 | <EugeneKay> | No official statement, but I'd put money that most of the linode office staff will say "oppose" if asked. |
| 01:58 | <Hoggs> | yeah no doubt |
| 01:58 | <EugeneKay> | Just like everybody else on the internet who knows how to read and compose intelligent thoughts. |
| 01:58 | <CaptObviousman> | I've yet to meet any supporters amongst my communities on the web |
| 01:58 | <CaptObviousman> | well, if they ARE supporters, they're staying veeeeery quiet |
| 01:58 | <CaptObviousman> | and possibly astroturfers |
| 01:59 | <pharaun> | or are being paid very good |
| 01:59 | <CaptObviousman> | probably both |
| 02:02 | <Kyh> | CaptObviousman: ohh yay |
| 02:05 | <linbot> | New news from forums: IO "Problem"? in General Discussion <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=8321>; |
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| 02:22 | <linbot> | New news from forums: ShutDown 100% processes - Automaticly in Performance and Tuning <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=8319>; |
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| 02:47 | <pharaun> | reset |
| 02:47 | <pharaun> | clear |
| 02:47 | <pharaun> | exit |
| 02:47 | <pharaun> | whoops |
| 02:47 | <pharaun> | my terminal died on me |
| 02:47 | <bd_> | pharaun: stty sane; reset :) |
| 02:47 | <pharaun> | good tip, yeah i just ended up deattaching and making a new terminal |
| 02:48 | <pharaun> | bd_: i always thought reset would do the trick |
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| 02:49 | <bd_> | pharaun: reset sends an ANSI reset code and resets some subset of the tty mode flags, stty hits the rest of the mode flags, I think |
| 02:50 | <pharaun> | ah i see |
| 02:50 | <chesty> | kill -9 1 |
| 02:52 | <bd_> | chesty: init ignores all user-generated signals for which it has no installed handler. This includes normally fatal signals such as SIGKILL |
| 02:52 | <bd_> | and SIGSTOP |
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| 02:56 | <pharaun> | er what's HAL's "replacement" |
| 02:57 | <pharaun> | ah udev/udisk/upowerd |
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| 03:27 | -!- | bas is now known as Guest24391 |
| 03:27 | <Guest24391> | Hi All |
| 03:27 | <Guest24391> | I'm checking my Linodes with the htop command |
| 03:28 | <Guest24391> | 511/511 |
| 03:28 | <Guest24391> | the sqp is full used |
| 03:28 | <Guest24391> | swp |
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| 03:34 | <hawk> | Guest24391: That doesn't sound good |
| 03:35 | <Guest24391> | yes |
| 03:35 | <Guest24391> | what to do? |
| 03:35 | <hawk> | Guest24391: What is using the memory? Misconfigured apache+mod_php? Something else? |
| 03:35 | <Guest24391> | i think so |
| 03:36 | <hawk> | Guest24391: http://library.linode.com/troubleshooting/memory-networking |
| 03:38 | <Guest24391> | thank you |
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| 03:41 | <@heckman> | Brain is all coded out |
| 03:41 | <@heckman> | Zzz o/ |
| 03:41 | <Smilex> | If I were to have a website, that transfered data between my webpage and my database, hosted on the same Linode server, would this data transfer count towards my transfer limit, provided by the Linode plan I decide to purchase? |
| 03:42 | <@heckman> | If it's hosted on the same Linode it never reaches your network interface. |
| 03:42 | <@heckman> | The kernel handles the traffic. |
| 03:42 | <@heckman> | (so no, you aren't billed if they are on the same Linode) |
| --- | Log | closed Wed Jan 18 03:47:45 2012 |
| --- | Log | opened Wed Jan 18 03:47:52 2012 |
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| 03:47 | -!- | mode/#linode [+o mikegrb] by ChanServ |
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| 03:48 | <Kos> | oh god the internet |
| 03:48 | <Kos> | it's dying |
| 03:48 | <Kos> | SOPA HAS TAKEN EFFECT |
| 03:48 | * | retro|blah claps |
| 03:48 | <Solver> | Kos: :) |
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| 03:49 | -!- | VS_ChanLog is "(unknown)" on (unknown) |
| 03:49 | <@heckman> | ^ |
| 03:49 | <@heckman> | that's not good |
| 03:49 | <@heckman> | Jan18 03:48:59 -!- caker [~caker@caker.sponsor.oftc.net] has quit [autokilled: Spammer - Contact support@oftc.net for help. (2012-01-18 08:48:59)] |
| 03:49 | <Solver> | Smilex: you can count the traffic that your users use, even if it is over localhost |
| 03:49 | <avenj> | someone's gonna get spanked |
| 03:50 | -!- | Irssi: Join to #linode was synced in 143 secs |
| 03:51 | <@heckman> | Well I am glad I stuck around to watch that happen, heh |
| 03:51 | <Yaakov> | Someone needs to contact support. |
| 03:51 | <Smilex> | Solver, but it has to have a cost to us. We provide a free product, that makes money on advertisement clicks, so my plan was to use these clicks as our products. With this we need each click to have a cost to us, the company, and an income, advertisers, to make the provided economic plans work at all. I don't know if there's some measurable cost on clicks, that any of you could think of? |
| 03:52 | <@heckman> | I'd e-mail them, but I'd feel like a dbag. |
| 03:52 | <@heckman> | Hopefully caker gets the message I sent him, meh |
| 03:52 | <avenj> | hell of a lot of users caught in that one, I'm sure they'll figure it out |
| 03:52 | <praetorian> | YAY CAKER IS GONE |
| 03:52 | <praetorian> | LETS PARTY! |
| 03:53 | * | praetorian serves punch |
| 03:53 | <Kos> | heckman: you've inherited the throne |
| 03:53 | <Solver> | it's a coup? |
| 03:53 | <praetorian> | akerl: is the new aker in town |
| 03:53 | <@heckman> | laker |
| 03:53 | <Solver> | heckman: when i said 'host' earlier I meant the VM but you meant the physical host right? |
| 03:53 | <Solver> | cya |
| 03:54 | <Kos> | heh |
| 03:54 | <@heckman> | Solver: right, need to watch the terminology there. :p |
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| 03:54 | <Solver> | heckman: your response made more sense once I realised that :) |
| 03:54 | <praetorian> | you know what i have learnt from this akill stuff? |
| 03:54 | <praetorian> | too many people use chat.linode.com |
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| 03:54 | <CaptObviousman> | bah netsplit |
| 03:54 | <@heckman> | praetorian: I think the connections don't always die |
| 03:55 | <praetorian> | ah. |
| 03:55 | <praetorian> | there use to be a cgi-irc bot as well |
| 03:57 | <praetorian> | sucks tho |
| 03:57 | <praetorian> | chesty is still here |
| 03:58 | <CaptObviousman> | hah, caker got whacked? |
| 03:58 | * | CaptObviousman giggles |
| 03:58 | <praetorian> | the new jersey mob |
| 03:59 | <chesty> | but with no caker, there's only heckman to troll :( |
| 03:59 | <@mikegrb> | mmm cake |
| 03:59 | <Solver> | mmm cake |
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| 03:59 | <Solver> | mikegrb is ok! :) |
| 03:59 | <CaptObviousman> | nothing stops mikegrb |
| 04:00 | <chesty> | and no channel log, yay |
| 04:00 | <praetorian> | chesty: too easy. |
| 04:00 | <CaptObviousman> | your point? |
| 04:00 | <@heckman> | You keep talkin like that, your Linode will be goin for a swim in the Hudson |
| 04:01 | <CaptObviousman> | err? |
| 04:01 | <praetorian> | isnt the hudsun in new york? |
| 04:01 | <CaptObviousman> | ^^ |
| 04:01 | <CaptObviousman> | I interviewed in the building where my linode is hosted |
| 04:01 | <CaptObviousman> | haven't snagged the job yet, but I think they'll let me know tomorrow |
| 04:01 | <BlandSauce> | Mine can go swimming in San Francisco Bay |
| 04:02 | <CaptObviousman> | my interviewer was amused when I mentioned that tidbit |
| 04:02 | <praetorian> | "i just want to job to make sure my linode runs k? |
| 04:02 | <@heckman> | CaptObviousman: well next time we come visit you owe us coffee. |
| 04:02 | <@heckman> | What were you interviewing for? |
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| 04:03 | <@heckman> | Ugh 4:03am. |
| 04:04 | * | heckman commits, pushes to origin, and goes to sleep |
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| 04:06 | <praetorian> | heckman: good night love. |
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| 04:06 | <praetorian> | oh damn VS_ChanLog is back |
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| 04:17 | <chesty> | someone should join as caker and /msg heckman to come into work |
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| 04:30 | <crimbox2> | is anyone elses linode really slow? im using an asia pacific one |
| 04:30 | <crimbox2> | if i ping it i get this "Request timeout for icmp_seq 1" |
| 04:30 | <crimbox2> | and i can barely ssh into it |
| 04:31 | <retro|blah> | !mtr |
| 04:31 | <linbot> | mtr combines the functionality of traceroute and ping into one easy to use tool, and the output can be useful for determining where the source of a problem is. It can be downloaded from http://www.bitwizard.nl/mtr/ or http://winmtr.sourceforge.net/ for Windows. MTR summaries can be retrieved in-channel using the command !mtr-CITY where CITY is fremont, atlanta, newark, dallas or london. |
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| 04:32 | * | Hobbsee cluebats the fellow linoder attempting to hack into her box |
| 04:32 | <kyhwana> | mtr |
| 04:36 | <praetorian> | !pingdumb |
| 04:36 | <linbot> | http://pingdumb.com/ |
| 04:36 | <kyhwana> | crimbox2: you mean tokyo? |
| 04:36 | <kyhwana> | whats your linode IP and what ISP/which country are you in? |
| 04:36 | <crimbox2> | yea tokyo |
| 04:37 | <crimbox2> | 106.187.44.50 australia |
| 04:38 | <praetorian> | !xkcd sopa |
| 04:38 | <linbot> | praetorian: No matches found. |
| 04:38 | <praetorian> | lies. |
| 04:39 | <praetorian> | http://xkcd.com/1004 |
| 04:39 | <crimbox2> | it seems like a persistant issue. sometimes is really fast sometimes its really slow |
| 04:39 | <crimbox2> | feels like shared hosting |
| 04:39 | <kyhwana> | from NZ I go through vocus to he in sjc, then back across the pacific to japan |
| 04:39 | <kyhwana> | ~260MS |
| 04:39 | <kyhwana> | crimbox2: you mean latency? |
| 04:39 | <kyhwana> | Or actual response time from your linode? |
| 04:39 | <kyhwana> | pastie a mtr |
| 04:40 | <crimbox2> | mtr doesnt work |
| 04:40 | <kyhwana> | what |
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| 04:40 | <crimbox2> | command not found |
| 04:41 | <kyhwana> | ... |
| 04:41 | <retro|blah> | You need to install it. |
| 04:41 | <kyhwana> | install mtr then |
| 04:42 | <kyhwana> | do "mtr -w --report" and stick it into pastie |
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| 04:46 | <spaam> | is there an issue using multiple ip:s + ipv6 and ubuntu 11.10? |
| 04:46 | <spaam> | i cant get my eth0:0 after i upgraded to ubuntu 11.10 and enabled ipv6. |
| 04:47 | <kyhwana> | eth0:0 would be your public v4 ip? |
| 04:47 | <spaam> | yes |
| 04:47 | <kyhwana> | what is your v4 public ip? |
| 04:47 | <crimbox2> | kyhwana: http://p.linode.com/6171 |
| 04:48 | <kyhwana> | crimbox2: and what was your ping lag before it was slow? |
| 04:49 | <kyhwana> | the web server works fine for me? |
| 04:49 | <kyhwana> | works! danger.tinnyhq.com |
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| 04:49 | <spaam> | kyhwana: 178.79.144.90 .. .90 does not work.. can ping it .. |
| 04:49 | <spaam> | my first ip does use the same subnet.. |
| 04:50 | <Bartzy> | Anyone knows a solution to talk with other people in the office through headphones and a microphone? |
| 04:50 | <Bartzy> | But directly, just press of a button and you talk.. not calling |
| 04:50 | <crimbox2> | kyhwana: this always happens... it gets really slow. i cant ssh in. then after about half hour of trying to get some diagnostics it works again.... |
| 04:50 | <kyhwana> | crimbox2: whats your load average and what are you doing on it? |
| 04:51 | <crimbox2> | how can i tell my load average? im just running websites |
| 04:51 | <kyhwana> | spaam: wait, your linode v4 ip? |
| 04:51 | <crimbox2> | they get hardly any traffic |
| 04:51 | <kyhwana> | crimbox2: er, login via ssh and run "w" or "top"? |
| 04:52 | <spaam> | kyhwana: 178.79.144.87 and 178.79.144.90 .. is my linode ip v4 ip.. |
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| 04:52 | <crimbox2> | load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.05 |
| 04:52 | <kyhwana> | spaam: oh, you have multiple v4 ips? |
| 04:52 | <spaam> | kyhwana: yes |
| 04:53 | <spaam> | kyhwana: i wrote that in my first msg. |
| 04:54 | <kyhwana> | right, sorry :P |
| 04:54 | <spaam> | eh screw this. going to remove the shit and install debian. |
| 04:54 | <kyhwana> | hmm, did you read http://library.linode.com/networking/configuring-static-ip-interfaces ? |
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| 04:54 | <kyhwana> | crimbox2: right, is it slow now? |
| 04:55 | <hawk> | Fwiw, if you use iproute you don't need these silly interface alias things just to have multiple addresses... |
| 04:56 | <kyhwana> | I only have one v4 public ip, so someone more qualified could answer |
| 04:56 | <crimbox2> | kyhwana: no i seems to be working ok now |
| 04:56 | <kyhwana> | crimbox2: well, I guess you need to figure out what's using up all your CPU time and/or IO time when it's slow.. |
| 04:56 | <kyhwana> | Check your linode manager graphs, etc. |
| 04:57 | <Duke> | leenodah eh |
| 04:58 | <crimbox2> | kyhwana: so it is a problem with the linode |
| 04:59 | <crimbox2> | ? |
| 05:00 | <retro|blah> | crimbox2: You tell us. |
| 05:00 | <kyhwana> | crimbox2: maybe.. depends it could be lag or your linode being busy |
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| 05:36 | <spaam> | kyhwana: it worked before the update.. |
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| 06:03 | <nickdunn> | Hello |
| 06:04 | <nickdunn> | I'm quite new to all of this. I'm about to upgrade from a 512 to 768 |
| 06:04 | <nickdunn> | "After the migration completes, you can take advantage of the new resources by resizing your disk images" |
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| 06:04 | <nickdunn> | Is this a non-destructive process? i.e. when I come to do this, will my existing data remain intact> |
| 06:05 | <internat> | yep |
| 06:05 | <internat> | as long as your not using funky disk configuration |
| 06:05 | <internat> | if your using standard ext3 as formatted by the linode manager, youll have no hassles |
| 06:05 | <nickdunn> | Nope, all standard |
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| 06:05 | <nickdunn> | Yay, thanks :-) |
| 06:06 | <nickdunn> | Updating now... |
| 06:06 | <nickdunn> | Upgrading* |
| 06:09 | <Cromulent> | this is completely off topic for this channel but I may as well ask - does anyone know of any good books on writing a business plan? |
| 06:09 | <Cromulent> | preferably UK law based |
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| 06:26 | <linbot> | New news from forums: Custom php.ini for different vhosts in Web Servers and Web App Development <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=8317>; |
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| 06:50 | <Anomie> | Is there anyway I can pay for my linode yearly instead of monthly? |
| 06:51 | <mig5> | sure, if your linode already exists, send a support ticket |
| 06:51 | <kyhwana> | yup |
| 06:51 | <mig5> | they'll sort it out |
| 06:51 | <kyhwana> | support ticket |
| 06:51 | <kyhwana> | you get 10% off |
| 06:52 | <Anomie> | kyhwana, mig5, thx - was looking in my account settings to change it but couldn't see it anywhere |
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| 07:08 | <Jonis> | quiet in here for 400 people |
| 07:09 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 07:09 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 07:09 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 07:09 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 07:09 | <kyhwana> | wtf |
| 07:09 | <kyhwana> | /kb SpaceHobo |
| 07:09 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 07:09 | <linbot> | http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2010/06/03/us/jp-NUKE.html |
| 07:09 | <Alan> | not linode related, but maybe somebody in here will be knowledgable to help me out... |
| 07:10 | <Alan> | do OpenJDK or Sun JDK use openssl as their SSL/TLS implementation? or do they have their own implementation? |
| 07:12 | <kyhwana> | !rr |
| 07:12 | <linbot> | *BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?! |
| 07:12 | * | linbot reloads and spins the chambers. |
| 07:12 | <Alan> | i'm trying to track down this horrible problem where a webapp running on OpenJDK 1.6_18 can't talk to a client using openssl newer than 1.0.0e |
| 07:12 | <kyhwana> | hmmm |
| 07:12 | <Alan> | and i can't figure out if the server's openssl version is relevant or not |
| 07:12 | <kyhwana> | what changed after 1.0.0e? |
| 07:12 | <kyhwana> | Is it refusing SSLv2/v3? |
| 07:12 | <Alan> | TLS v1.1 and v1.2 |
| 07:13 | <Alan> | some broken TLSv1.0 implementations barf when presented with a client that supports 1.1 or 1.2 |
| 07:13 | <Alan> | they completely break rather than conforming to the standard and advertising their own TLS version back to the client |
| 07:14 | <Alan> | c.f. http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5246#appendix-E.1 and looking at the openssl changelog |
| 07:14 | <kyhwana> | awesome |
| 07:20 | <Alan> | yeah... |
| 07:21 | <Bartzy> | Can I have one central AuthorizedKeysFile for all users in the ssh server, and another file for each user, if necessary ? |
| 07:23 | <kyhwana> | uh |
| 07:23 | <kyhwana> | no |
| 07:23 | <kyhwana> | just use per use private key files? |
| 07:23 | <EugeneKay> | No, but you can specify an AuthorizedKeysCommand |
| 07:23 | <EugeneKay> | Feel free to abuse that in interesting and potentially dangerous ways |
| 07:27 | <EugeneKay> | Bonus points if AuthorizedKeysCommandRunAs is set to root |
| 07:30 | <linbot> | New news from forums: Setting Up VNC on Linode in General Discussion <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=8322>; |
| 07:31 | <kyhwana> | hrghrhg vnc |
| 07:31 | <kyhwana> | apt-get install ubuntu-desktop vncserver ? |
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| 07:37 | <eagles0513875> | im stoked big time guys :) |
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| 08:11 | <eagles0513875> | so how is everyone |
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| 08:25 | * | eagles0513875 shocks everyone whose not alive with the defibrilator |
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| 08:29 | * | vodka looks outside at the pouring rain |
| 08:29 | * | vodka pushes eagles0513875 outside and locks the door |
| 08:30 | <@mikegrb> | lulz |
| 08:30 | <eagles0513875> | lol |
| 08:30 | <eagles0513875> | hey vodka |
| 08:30 | <eagles0513875> | nice to see your alcoholic backside is awake :p |
| 08:30 | <vodka> | awake? mmm |
| 08:31 | <vodka> | mostly |
| 08:33 | <@mikegrb> | lulz |
| 08:33 | <eagles0513875> | lol |
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| 08:38 | <linbot> | New news from forums: GeoIP and mod_geoip2 in Web Servers and Web App Development <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=8323>; |
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| 08:45 | <Bartzy> | Hey |
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| 08:45 | <Bartzy> | ssh-agent only reads ~/.ssh/id_rsa on startup ? Can I configure it to automatically read ~/.ssh/bar_rsa on start up ? |
| 08:45 | <@Praefectus> | !alot |
| 08:45 | <linbot> | http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.com/2010/04/alot-is-better-than-you-at-everything.html | http://e-cabi.net/alot.jpg |
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| 08:50 | <Alan> | well they didn't stick around long... |
| 08:50 | <Null_> | must be down in protest of sopa |
| 08:51 | <auraka> | wow today is going to suck |
| 08:51 | <rnowak> | I didn't even notice the sopa blackout on wikipedia, wikipedia.org is blocked in noscript (: |
| 08:51 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
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| 09:00 | <auraka> | does anyone work with Avaya and know how to make it not suck |
| 09:04 | <EugeneKay> | Shotguns help. |
| 09:04 | <auraka> | oh....that would make this day awesome |
| 09:07 | <EugeneKay> | I keep a 9mm on my desk for "technical emergencies" |
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| 09:16 | <Kingsy> | guys I am still getting The connection was reset messages from my server when i am using my website.. why could that be? |
| 09:17 | <Kingsy> | its just happened and error.log doesnt contain any messages from today.. and the access.log is empty |
| 09:17 | <Kingsy> | what else can I check to try and trace this? its annoying the crap outta me |
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| 09:18 | <@irgeek> | Do you have any iptables rules configured? |
| 09:19 | <tusk> | Kingsy: what happens if you telnet on port 80 to your server |
| 09:19 | <Kingsy> | irgeek : not that I setup so I am assuming not no.. |
| 09:20 | <Kingsy> | tusk - I can imagine it works.. the error doesnt occur all of the time.. it seems to happen "once in a while" |
| 09:20 | <@irgeek> | Kingsy: If you're not sure, try running iptables-save - that should dump everything. |
| 09:21 | <Kingsy> | irgeek: well that has given me a output but it means nothing to me |
| 09:21 | <@irgeek> | !pb |
| 09:21 | <linbot> | http://p.linode.com <-- paste here, not in the channel |
| 09:22 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 09:22 | <linbot> | http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2010/06/03/us/jp-NUKE.html |
| 09:22 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 09:22 | <linbot> | http://www.summerglauonastick.co.uk |
| 09:24 | <EugeneKay> | What, exactly, is attractive about her? |
| 09:24 | <EugeneKay> | I watched Firefly recently. It was worth my time, but I'm not gonna rewatch any of it. Except the Christina HEndricks episodes. |
| 09:25 | <tusk> | Kingsy: Maybe your MaxConnection in httpd.conf is too low ? |
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| 09:25 | <Kingsy> | irgeek: http://pastie.org/3207559 |
| 09:25 | <Kingsy> | tusk: hmm perhaps.. see I am the only person using the site at the moment.. |
| 09:25 | <Kingsy> | (no-one knows about it yet) |
| 09:25 | <Kingsy> | but it does seem to crash on tasks that require quite a bit of work |
| 09:26 | <@irgeek> | Kingsy: That's just the standard tables and chains. That's not causing the resets. |
| 09:27 | <Kingsy> | yeah, I havent messed with it |
| 09:27 | <Kingsy> | hehe don't even know what it does |
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| 09:27 | <@irgeek> | Have you checked your console to see if there are messages there? |
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| 09:28 | <Kingsy> | irgeek: you mean the linode manager online? |
| 09:28 | <Kingsy> | I don't really know what I am looking for... |
| 09:29 | <tusk> | or look in /var/log/messages |
| 09:29 | <Kingsy> | tusk: oh you mean actually on the server 1 sec I am ssh'ed right now |
| 09:29 | <@irgeek> | You're looking for the Remote Access tab. There's info about accessing your console there. |
| 09:30 | <tusk> | Kingsy: what do you mean 'require quite a bit of work' ? Are you running php or something similiar on your webserver ? |
| 09:31 | <Kingsy> | tusk: yeah its running magento so its pretty intensive php |
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| 09:31 | <tusk> | Kingsys: apache sending files back without processing doesn't require much work. |
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| 09:31 | <Kingsy> | tusk: wow there is ALOT of crap in that file --> here is a little snippit --> http://pastie.org/3207599 |
| 09:31 | <rnowak> | php script timeout? how long is quite a bit of work? |
| 09:31 | <rnowak> | !alot |
| 09:31 | <linbot> | http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.com/2010/04/alot-is-better-than-you-at-everything.html | http://e-cabi.net/alot.jpg |
| 09:31 | <tusk> | Kingsy: ok. then maybe you need to increase the memory setting in php.ini |
| 09:32 | <tusk> | grep -A25 "Resource Limits" php.ini |
| 09:32 | <Kingsy> | tusk: running out of memory in php tho should give you a fatal error.. not a problem loading page |
| 09:32 | <tusk> | Kingsy: it depends on your phh configuring. |
| 09:33 | <Kingsy> | tusk well the mem limit is set to 128M which is a little low.. |
| 09:33 | <tusk> | I think default each php script can only use 32M |
| 09:33 | <tusk> | low ? |
| 09:33 | <tusk> | 128M for each php session ? |
| 09:33 | <tusk> | it sounds high for me. |
| 09:33 | <@irgeek> | Running out of memory won't give you an error page if you're OOMing. |
| 09:34 | <Kingsy> | tusk: well yeah its enough to not give me errors.. so its not that |
| 09:34 | <@irgeek> | The kernel is killing the process you're talking to, hence the connection reset. |
| 09:34 | <Kingsy> | irgeek: right, can I find out why thats happenin? |
| 09:34 | <tusk> | it should say so in the messages file. |
| 09:34 | <tusk> | or check the kernel ring buffer with dmesg |
| 09:35 | <Kingsy> | tusk: what do you mean? above what I posted in that pastie? |
| 09:35 | <Kingsy> | it should tell you? |
| 09:35 | <tusk> | url please again. |
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| 09:36 | <Kingsy> | oh it says Jan 17 18:49:37 deimos kernel: apache2: page allocation failure: order:3, mode:0x20 |
| 09:36 | <Kingsy> | Jan 17 18:49:37 deimos kernel: Pid: 32071, comm: apache2 Not tainted 3.0.0-linode35 #1 then a call trace |
| 09:36 | <Kingsy> | so a page allocation failure?? |
| 09:38 | <tusk> | try as root: |
| 09:38 | <goose> | Linode should participate in the blackout |
| 09:38 | <tusk> | echo 16384 > /proc/sys/vm/min_free_kbytes |
| 09:39 | <Kingsy> | tusk: that returns nothing ( I am logged in as root) |
| 09:39 | <tusk> | yes but it does change a kernel parameter |
| 09:39 | <tusk> | see eg. http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=7308 |
| 09:40 | <tusk> | http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=7451 |
| 09:40 | <Kingsy> | tusk: umm you want me to reboot the kernel ? |
| 09:41 | <tusk> | no |
| 09:41 | <nehalem> | @goose, Why do you say that? |
| 09:41 | <tusk> | You have already change that kernel parameter with the echo command. |
| 09:41 | <tusk> | to make it permanent (if it solves your problem) you need to edit /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 09:41 | <Kingsy> | tusk: oh ok.. so how do I check its changed? or is that it? work done.. see if the issue reappears? |
| 09:41 | <tusk> | yes. wait and see. |
| 09:42 | <Kingsy> | tusk: thanks then.. I will just see what happens.. I am using the server so I guess I will find out soon enough |
| 09:43 | <tusk> | good luck |
| 09:43 | <auraka> | linode I am dissapoint....not one SOPA/PIPA blog post....sad |
| 09:44 | <Kingsy> | btw.. for a person who is new to server admin, is install apc difficult? |
| 09:44 | <@mikegrb> | lulz |
| 09:44 | <Kingsy> | tusk: lol that didnt fix it.. I just got the error again |
| 09:45 | <Kingsy> | tusk: I am not even convinced that the error in messages is related to the error.. the times don't match up |
| 09:46 | <Kingsy> | also the date says the 17th on the log and it just happened 1 min ago ont he 18th |
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| 09:48 | <Kingsy> | tusk: yep.. since that error before and the error I just got there has been nothing new entered in messages |
| 09:48 | <@irgeek> | Kingsy: Check your console. |
| 09:48 | <Kingsy> | irgeek: the linode manager? or the terminal? and for what? |
| 09:49 | <@irgeek> | Not all kernel errors show up in logs - sometimes the kernel can't allocate memory to write them to disk. |
| 09:49 | <Kingsy> | irgeek: so what would you recommend? |
| 09:49 | <@irgeek> | 09:29:59 <@irgeek> You're looking for the Remote Access tab. There's info about accessing your console there. |
| 09:50 | <@irgeek> | In the Linode Manager. |
| 09:50 | <Kingsy> | irgeek: I was monitoring "top" and I didnt see a spike |
| 09:50 | <Kingsy> | ok |
| 09:50 | <nehalem> | Kingsy, it is very easy to install APC |
| 09:51 | <Kingsy> | irgeek: ah cool in the console it says --> echo 16384 > /proc/sys/vm/min_free_kbytes |
| 09:51 | <Kingsy> | oops sorry wrong paste |
| 09:51 | <Kingsy> | Out of memory: Kill process 3594 (apache2) score 105 or sacrifice child <-- THAT |
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| 09:51 | <Kingsy> | followed by Killed process 3594 (apache2) total-vm:155320kB, anon-rss:77976kB, file-rss:0kB |
| 09:52 | <@irgeek> | Kingsy: Hit enter a few times to mark where you are, and try again. |
| 09:53 | <@irgeek> | When you hit another connection reset, check the console again. |
| 09:53 | <@irgeek> | You'll probably see that error come up. |
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| 09:54 | <Kingsy> | irgeek: I cant force the error again |
| 09:55 | <@irgeek> | Just do whatever you were doing. You'll probably hit it again. |
| 09:57 | <Kingsy> | irgeek: I cant force it again for some reason.. but why do I have to? if I have the error messages? |
| 09:58 | <@irgeek> | Because there's no timestamp in the console log to correlate the error to the message. |
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| 10:00 | <Kingsy> | irgeek.. well check this out --> http://pastie.org/3207752 all of those messages are new apart from the login part.. I didnt receive the connection reset error tho |
| 10:02 | <@irgeek> | Ah. I didn't realize you were seeing the OOM-killer without the reset. |
| 10:02 | <Kingsy> | irgeek: heh neither did I |
| 10:03 | <@irgeek> | So yes. You're using too much memory and the kernel is killing your Apache processes. |
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| 10:03 | <Kingsy> | irgeek: so what would you suggest? |
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| 10:04 | <Kingsy> | is this a case of a software mod? or upgrade the server? |
| 10:04 | <@irgeek> | Your only options are using less memory or upgrading so you have more. |
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| 10:04 | <@irgeek> | Pastebin the output of: ps axuf |
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| 10:06 | <Kingsy> | irgeek: http://pastie.org/3207775 <-- |
| 10:07 | <Kingsy> | irgeek: I am assuming that is showing all of my server processes and how much memory they are using? |
| 10:07 | <@irgeek> | Look at the RSS column for the Apache processes. |
| 10:08 | <@irgeek> | They're using *lots* of memory each. |
| 10:08 | <Kingsy> | what is RSS? I would have thought the MEM column would be what we wanted to look at? |
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| 10:08 | <@irgeek> | MEM is a percentage. |
| 10:08 | <Kingsy> | so 18% of the available memory isnt that bad? |
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| 10:09 | <@irgeek> | o_O |
| 10:09 | <@irgeek> | 18% * 5 processes is almost all of your memory. |
| 10:09 | <@irgeek> | When they get too high, they get killed. |
| 10:10 | <Kingsy> | irgeek: I cant even remember how much memory I have on this server |
| 10:10 | <@irgeek> | free -m |
| 10:11 | <Kingsy> | irgeek: 497 used 473 |
| 10:11 | <dwfreed> | O.O |
| 10:12 | <Kingsy> | what is O.O ? |
| 10:12 | <rnowak> | oO |
| 10:13 | <Kingsy> | wtf? |
| 10:13 | <rnowak> | dbluteeeff |
| 10:13 | <@irgeek> | Kingsy: The way you're doing everything now, your Linode doesn't have enough memory to run that particular software. |
| 10:13 | <Kingsy> | irgeek: what would you suggestg? |
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| 10:14 | <dwfreed> | Kingsy: O.O is an emoticon that simulates wide-open eyes, effectively meaning "Wow" |
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| 10:16 | <EriksLV> | hi |
| 10:16 | <Kingsy> | dwfreed: ah right so.. wow you have used all of your memory |
| 10:16 | <dwfreed> | yeah |
| 10:17 | <Kingsy> | wow.. upgrading is REALLY expensive... the max you can have on a vps is like 800MB of RAM ? |
| 10:17 | <@tparker> | uh |
| 10:17 | <Kingsy> | irgeek: is there a way of working with what I have somehow? |
| 10:17 | <swaj> | linode offers nodes up to 20GB of RAM |
| 10:18 | <@irgeek> | Kingsy: We don't offer a Linode with 800MB. |
| 10:18 | <Kingsy> | oh? I was just looking in my linode manager extras section is all |
| 10:18 | <hawk> | Kingsy: https://manager.linode.com/signup/#plans |
| 10:18 | <@irgeek> | Don't use the extras. They're meant for "I need a quick boost of RAM for a few days" |
| 10:18 | <swaj> | also, have you exhausted apache tweaking options? (using a different MPM, etc) |
| 10:19 | <@irgeek> | Moving the PHP stuff into a separate process will probably help. |
| 10:19 | <Kingsy> | irgeek: ah ok I see.. so it would be a seperate plan |
| 10:19 | <swaj> | I mean like apache + mpm_worker (or mpm_event) and php5-fpm would probably help a lot for memory consumption. |
| 10:19 | <Kingsy> | irgeek: moving it to a seperate process..? |
| 10:19 | <@irgeek> | What swaj just suggested. |
| 10:20 | <Kingsy> | swaj: no I havent heard of em |
| 10:20 | <swaj> | so you're probably using mpm_prefork or whatever |
| 10:20 | <@irgeek> | That's going to require reconfiguring what you have now. |
| 10:20 | <Kingsy> | swaj: I am yeah |
| 10:20 | <swaj> | yeah mpm_prefork is a memory hog -- you using mod_php, too? |
| 10:20 | <EriksLV> | Getting stuck between spammers and their victims is not fun. Not fun at all. |
| 10:21 | <Kingsy> | swaj I am not sure.. how do I check? |
| 10:21 | <swaj> | eh, do you have the package installed? |
| 10:21 | <swaj> | how did you install PHP? |
| 10:21 | <Ghost> | lamp |
| 10:21 | <Kingsy> | swaj: wiht apt-get |
| 10:21 | <swaj> | no I mean, what package did you install? |
| 10:22 | <swaj> | ubuntu or debian? |
| 10:22 | <Kingsy> | php5 |
| 10:22 | <Kingsy> | ubuntu |
| 10:22 | <@irgeek> | Kingsy: You have to do the cost/benefit analysis of the time it will take to reconfigure vs the extra money it costs to throw more memory at the problem. |
| 10:22 | <swaj> | what version of ubuntu? 10.04 LTS? |
| 10:22 | <Kingsy> | swaj: yeah |
| 10:22 | <Kingsy> | irgeek: yeah I would rather try and customize the server.. this way I will learn a little too |
| 10:23 | <Kingsy> | learning was the whole reason I got the server :) |
| 10:23 | <swaj> | so yeah, there's not a distro php5-fpm package, but MTecknology runs the nginx PPA for ubuntu that has it. |
| 10:23 | <swaj> | for lucid |
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| 10:24 | <Kingsy> | swaj: I am a little lost.. is pgp5-fpm a extension for php that handles the way php uses memory? if so is it a case of install and done? do you install and enable in php.ini and your done? |
| 10:24 | <Kingsy> | php5** |
| 10:24 | <swaj> | php5-fpm basically runs PHP in a FastCGI process, outside of your webserver |
| 10:24 | <swaj> | so you proxy requests from the webserver to php5-fpm |
| 10:25 | <swaj> | it's faster, and uses a bit less memory in practice. |
| 10:25 | <Kingsy> | swaj: so its alot slower? |
| 10:25 | <swaj> | no, the contrary |
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| 10:25 | <swaj> | it's a dedicated pool of processes just for PHP stuff |
| 10:25 | <Kingsy> | hehe so why wouldnt every guy under the sun use it?? :P |
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| 10:26 | <swaj> | Kingsy: eh, in my experience, most people that know about FPM, use it. |
| 10:26 | <dwfreed> | Kingsy: just about every regular here who runs PHP sites and doesn't use Apache uses php65-fpm |
| 10:26 | <dwfreed> | s/65/5/ |
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| 10:27 | <swaj> | again, MTecknology (a linode regular) runs the PPA for it: https://launchpad.net/~nginx/+archive/php5 |
| 10:27 | <Kingsy> | swaj: ok so.. lets get back to prefork first.. what should I be using? I take it that mod_prefork is an apache extension that decides how apache handles processes? |
| 10:27 | <swaj> | correct |
| 10:28 | <Kingsy> | swaj: an prefork is crap default? |
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| 10:28 | <swaj> | it's not bad, it's just old, and uses more memory than the newer mpm_worker (or the beta mpm_event which I prefer) |
| 10:29 | <Kingsy> | swaj: just out of curiousity.. is there a way of measuring how much memory per request I am saving? |
| 10:29 | <Kingsy> | like now can I do a server request.. save the memory usage.. make a change refresh and compare? |
| 10:29 | <hawk> | Kingsy: prefork in itself is not the most efficient worker process model, but it's not quite that awful _unless_ you have mod_php which makes the worker processes huge |
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| 10:29 | <swaj> | there's a lot of variables there |
| 10:29 | <swaj> | mod_php is definitely your biggest memory hog |
| 10:29 | <swaj> | (imo) |
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| 10:30 | <swaj> | which is what you have installed |
| 10:30 | <Kingsy> | swaj: is there a easy way of noting right now how much memory per request my server is eating? use free -m ? |
| 10:30 | <hawk> | Kingsy: The worst problem with prefork + mod_php is probably that it's hard to configure things in a reasonable way to limit php memory usage and still serve a lot of static files |
| 10:31 | <swaj> | not that I know of... free -m isn't going to give you realistic numbers |
| 10:31 | <Kingsy> | sorry I meant ps auxf |
| 10:31 | <swaj> | eh |
| 10:31 | <swaj> | memory per request is a questionable measurement anyway |
| 10:31 | <swaj> | it depends on so many things |
| 10:32 | <Kingsy> | swaj: basically I am going to be making changes to free up memory.. how am I going to be able to tell its working.. without.. "taking your word for it" I know your not lying but it would be nice to see the changes as I go |
| 10:32 | <swaj> | my advice to you, if you want to keep using that 512, is to use php5-fpm + mod_fastcgi (or whatever it is in Apache) |
| 10:32 | <swaj> | Kingsy: switch and watch your total memory free up and errors go away :P |
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| 10:33 | <Kingsy> | swaj: by total memory free up.. you mean monitor free -m ? |
| 10:33 | <swaj> | yep |
| 10:33 | <Kingsy> | ok cool |
| 10:33 | <Kingsy> | so.. |
| 10:33 | <Kingsy> | how do you tell apache to swtich from prefork.. |
| 10:33 | * | Kingsy looks in apache2.conf |
| 10:34 | <swaj> | I think with ubuntu you can just switch to a different mpm package |
| 10:34 | <swaj> | I think it's like "sudo apt-get install apache2-mpm-worker" |
| 10:34 | <swaj> | to switch to worker mpm |
| 10:34 | <swaj> | it'll remove prefork, install worker, and restart apache |
| 10:36 | <Kingsy> | swaj: ok thats done.. |
| 10:36 | <Kingsy> | it removed prefork and seemed to install mpm worker and restart.. looked ok to me |
| 10:36 | <swaj> | make sure you take the time to configure it, tweak the settings, etc. :) |
| 10:36 | <swaj> | http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/worker.html |
| 10:37 | * | MTecknology was pinged |
| 10:37 | <swaj> | so the next thing I'd do is either compile PHP5 yourself to get fpm, or use MTecknology's PPA :) |
| 10:37 | <Kingsy> | swaj: well now my site doesnt work.. whenever I load a page it just asks me if I want to save it |
| 10:37 | <MTecknology> | php5-fpm is in debian unstable and ubuntu+1 |
| 10:37 | <swaj> | he's on lucid :P |
| 10:37 | <MTecknology> | ooooold! |
| 10:38 | <swaj> | https://launchpad.net/~nginx/+archive/php5 |
| 10:38 | <Kingsy> | swaj: why would that be happenin? |
| 10:38 | <swaj> | that's the PPA if you don't want to build PHP yourself |
| 10:38 | <MTecknology> | I'm getting excited for Ubuntu 12.10; I'm getting bored with 12.04 |
| 10:38 | <swaj> | it might have removed mod_php when you switched workers, I'm not sure |
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| 10:38 | <Kingsy> | swaj ah ok .. |
| 10:39 | <Kingsy> | so just install php5-fpm and it should be ok then |
| 10:39 | <swaj> | well... |
| 10:39 | <swaj> | then you need to reconfigure the vhosts to send php requests off to php5-fpm via fastcgi |
| 10:39 | <swaj> | and then you're done :P |
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| 10:39 | <swaj> | because apache no longer processes PHP for you at that point -- that's php5-fpm's job |
| 10:40 | <swaj> | this is why I use nginx. I don't like apache's configuration... that and nginx is zomgfast. |
| 10:40 | <Kingsy> | swaj: ok so.. deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/nginx/php5/ubuntu lucid main you just ype that and deb-src etc into the console.. and you done? |
| 10:40 | <Kingsy> | or do you then apt-get install php5-fpm ? |
| 10:41 | <swaj> | um, I think you can just do "sudo add-apt-repository ppa:nginx/php5" |
| 10:41 | <swaj> | to enable it |
| 10:41 | <swaj> | then sudo apt-get update and sudo apt-get install php5-fpm |
| 10:42 | <Kingsy> | swaj: naaa -bash: add-apt-repository: command not found |
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| 10:42 | <swaj> | sudo apt-get install python-software-properties |
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| 10:42 | <swaj> | then try the add-apt-respository again |
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| 10:43 | <MTecknology> | swaj: he using nginx? |
| 10:43 | <swaj> | no |
| 10:43 | <swaj> | apache |
| 10:43 | <MTecknology> | booo! |
| 10:43 | <swaj> | :P |
| 10:44 | <MTecknology> | :) |
| 10:44 | <swaj> | <3 nginx |
| 10:44 | <Kingsy> | swaj: ok thats installed |
| 10:44 | <swaj> | alright, so you'll need mod_fastcgi installed so apache can send the php stuff off to php5-fpm |
| 10:44 | <Kingsy> | swaj: php still isnt handling the http request tho |
| 10:45 | <swaj> | also you may want to tweak the php5-fpm config |
| 10:45 | <Kingsy> | swaj: so sudo apt-get install apache2-mod-fastcgi or something? |
| 10:45 | <swaj> | try "sudo a2enmod fastcgi" and see if that works |
| 10:46 | <swaj> | it might already be installed |
| 10:46 | <Kingsy> | naa it says the module doesnt exist |
| 10:46 | <swaj> | try "sudo apt-get install libapache2-mod-fcgid" |
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| 10:47 | <swaj> | then sudo a2endmod fcgid |
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| 10:48 | <Kingsy> | just installed it.. restarted apache but it still says --> ERROR: Module fastcgi does not exist! |
| 10:48 | <@mikegrb> | lulz |
| 10:48 | <Kingsy> | oh lol sorry 1 sec |
| 10:48 | <Kingsy> | swaj: ok so its enabled. |
| 10:49 | <swaj> | okay so the last step is to configure your virtualhost to send PHP requests off to php5-fpm |
| 10:49 | <Kingsy> | swaj: by virtualhost do you mean apache? |
| 10:50 | <swaj> | check apache's config folder |
| 10:50 | <swaj> | do you have a config file for mod_fcgid? |
| 10:51 | <Kingsy> | you mean in /etc/apache2/ ? no |
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| 10:52 | <Kingsy> | swaj: ah in mods-enabled/ I have a fcgid.conf |
| 10:52 | <swaj> | yeah that's what I mean |
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| 10:53 | <Kingsy> | so cool yeah I have it here |
| 10:53 | <swaj> | in there you should do something like this: http://paste.linode.com/6172 |
| 10:53 | <Kingsy> | swaj: it doesnt have a whole lot inside |
| 10:54 | <swaj> | change the paths tho |
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| 10:56 | <Kingsy> | swaj: I cant find the fcgi-bin |
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| 10:56 | <Kingsy> | its not in usr like your path.. |
| 10:56 | <swaj> | it's a fake directory |
| 10:56 | <swaj> | where is your site stored on the disk? |
| 10:56 | <swaj> | /var/www ? |
| 10:57 | <Kingsy> | oh no, /srv/ |
| 10:57 | <Kingsy> | but I have 3 sites |
| 10:57 | <Kingsy> | so there is 3 dirs in /srv/ |
| 10:57 | <Kingsy> | that are hosted |
| 10:57 | <@heckman> | srving cats |
| 10:57 | <swaj> | so then remove that from fcgid.conf |
| 10:58 | <Kingsy> | swaj: remove what? that entire ScriptAlias /fcgi-bin/ "/usr/local/apache2/fcgi-bin/" line? |
| 10:58 | <swaj> | and add something like this to each virtualhost: http://paste.linode.com/6173 |
| 10:58 | <swaj> | remove all the crap from my first paste, and leave it as it was, then add the second paste stuff to each vhost |
| 10:58 | <Kingsy> | oho k |
| 10:58 | <swaj> | change /srv/whatever.com to the real path |
| 11:00 | <swaj> | the php5.fcgi file doesn't need to exist, you're just making a fake path, and then telling fastcgi to intercept calls to that fake path, then telling any *.php file to be processed by fastcgi |
| 11:01 | <Kingsy> | swaj: so a sample would be http://pastie.org/3208083 <-- where something.co.uk is my doamin |
| 11:02 | <swaj> | yeah exactly |
| 11:02 | <swaj> | that looks right to me |
| 11:02 | <Kingsy> | ok so save and restart apache.. and lets see if it interprets the php |
| 11:02 | <swaj> | change the first srv/whatever.com too :P |
| 11:02 | <swaj> | on line 12 |
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| 11:03 | <Kingsy> | swaj, ah missed that. |
| 11:04 | <Kingsy> | argh it looks like I have a syntax error in fcgi.conf I must have changed it back properly |
| 11:04 | <Kingsy> | swaj: http://pastie.org/3208100 <-- is what I have, I thought thats what it started like |
| 11:05 | <swaj> | no :P |
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| 11:05 | <swaj> | http://pastie.org/3208101 |
| 11:05 | <swaj> | that's the default |
| 11:05 | <Kingsy> | ah right |
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| 11:06 | <MrGeneral> | Getting my second Linode today! :) |
| 11:07 | <Kingsy> | swaj: it says Invalid command 'FastCGIExternalServer', perhaps misspelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration on apache start |
| 11:08 | <swaj> | hmm |
| 11:08 | <swaj> | sec |
| 11:09 | <swaj> | doh, it's because probably you need mod_fastcgi instead of mod_fcgid... I'm not an apache guru so I couldn't remember. |
| 11:09 | <Kingsy> | ah ok |
| 11:09 | <Kingsy> | so.. umm |
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| 11:10 | <Kingsy> | swaj: apt-get install libapache2-mod-fastcgi ? |
| 11:10 | <Kingsy> | and it will restart and enable that for me right? |
| 11:10 | <swaj> | yeah -- and probably want to sudo apt-get remove libapache2-mod-fastcgi |
| 11:10 | <swaj> | err |
| 11:10 | <swaj> | libapache2-mod-fcgid |
| 11:10 | <Kingsy> | ok np |
| 11:11 | <swaj> | then you'll need to tweak the config just slightly |
| 11:11 | <swaj> | change the <IfModule mod_fcgid.c> to <IfModule mod_fastcgi.c> in your virtual host config |
| 11:11 | <Kingsy> | swaj: yeah it says Invalid command 'Action', perhaps misspelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration on start |
| 11:11 | <Kingsy> | ah |
| 11:11 | <Kingsy> | ok |
| 11:11 | <swaj> | okay, so Action mod isn't installed |
| 11:12 | <swaj> | try "sudo a2enmod action" |
| 11:13 | <swaj> | or actions* |
| 11:13 | <Kingsy> | ok now it started without any errors.. |
| 11:13 | <Kingsy> | lets see if php does stuff |
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| 11:14 | <Kingsy> | swaj: something happened :) I now get Internal Server Error on my site |
| 11:14 | <swaj> | is php5-fpm running? |
| 11:14 | <swaj> | ps aux | grep php |
| 11:14 | <Kingsy> | hm virtualhost looks like this --> http://pastie.org/3208144 |
| 11:15 | <swaj> | that looks correct. Can you tell me if php5-fpm is running? |
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| 11:15 | <Kingsy> | that command returns root 4718 0.0 0.7 70724 3884 ? Ss 15:44 0:00 php-fpm: master process (/etc/php5/fpm/main.conf) |
| 11:15 | <swaj> | okay |
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| 11:15 | <Kingsy> | along with a bunch of www-data 4748 0.0 0.6 70720 3244 ? S 15:44 0:00 php-fpm: pool www |
| 11:15 | <swaj> | so it's running |
| 11:16 | <swaj> | yep |
| 11:16 | <Kingsy> | yeah :0 |
| 11:16 | <swaj> | that's what we expect |
| 11:16 | <Kingsy> | :)* |
| 11:16 | <swaj> | let's check the error logs |
| 11:16 | <swaj> | tail -n 10 /var/log/some-apache-file-I-dont-know.log |
| 11:17 | <Kingsy> | swaj: hmm /var/log/apache2/error.log contains --> [Wed Jan 18 16:13:24 2012] [notice] Apache/2.2.14 (Ubuntu) mod_fastcgi/2.4.6 mod_fcgid/2.3.4 mod_python/3.3.1 Python/2.6.5 mod_ruby/1.2.6 Ruby/1.8.7(2010-01-10) mod_perl/2.0.4 Perl/v5.10.1 configured -- resuming normal operations |
| 11:18 | <Kingsy> | not thats a notice so that wont be it |
| 11:18 | <Kingsy> | swaj: I cant really see any log that would apply |
| 11:19 | <swaj> | hmm |
| 11:19 | <swaj> | nothing above that? |
| 11:20 | <Kingsy> | swaj the php5-fpm log just says Jan 18 15:44:07.204235 [NOTICE] ready to handle connections |
| 11:20 | <swaj> | do "sudo netstat -punta | grep -i php" |
| 11:20 | <swaj> | does that show anything? |
| 11:21 | <Kingsy> | swaj: no nothing |
| 11:21 | <swaj> | I'm betting php5-fpm is running on a unix socket... okay |
| 11:21 | <swaj> | let's check php5-fpm's config |
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| 11:22 | <swaj> | it's probably in /etc/php5/fpm or something similar |
| 11:22 | <swaj> | look for php-fpm.conf (or php5-fpm.conf) |
| 11:23 | <Kingsy> | swaj: well I am in /etc/php5/fpm/ there are a few files --> conf.d main.conf php.ini pool.d I guess main.conf? |
| 11:23 | <swaj> | actually it's in that path you posted |
| 11:23 | <swaj> | /etc/php5/fpm/main.conf |
| 11:23 | <swaj> | yeah |
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| 11:24 | <swaj> | check that for a "listen" line |
| 11:25 | <Kingsy> | ok 1 sec |
| 11:25 | <Kingsy> | swaj: there isnt a listen line |
| 11:26 | <Kingsy> | swaj: http://pastie.org/3208203 |
| 11:27 | <swaj> | okay look for a config file in /etc/php5/fpm/pool.d |
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| 11:27 | <Kingsy> | ah here we go |
| 11:27 | <Kingsy> | its listening on port 9000 |
| 11:28 | <swaj> | so "sudo netstat -punta | grep 9000" |
| 11:28 | <Kingsy> | swaj: yeah that returned the tcp listening |
| 11:29 | <swaj> | there's gotta be an error in the log somewhere |
| 11:30 | <lBOTos> | bloop beep boop |
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| 11:30 | <Kingsy> | swaj: man, is there a better way to find it.. I cant seem to see anything of note |
| 11:31 | <swaj> | anything in /srv/logs/error.log ? |
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| 11:32 | <Kingsy> | ffs I forgot I set that as the log in my virtual host |
| 11:32 | <Kingsy> | damn |
| 11:33 | <swaj> | I see an issue in your config too |
| 11:33 | <Kingsy> | swaj: yeah it says [Wed Jan 18 16:33:09 2012] [error] [client 109.145.92.127] Request exceeded the limit of 10 internal redirects due to probable configuration error. Use 'LimitInternalRecursion' to increase the limit if necessary. Use 'LogLevel debug' to get a backtrace. |
| 11:33 | <MrGeneral> | What's the most Stable DC? Fremont, Dallas, Atlanta or Newark? |
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| 11:33 | <swaj> | the alias line |
| 11:33 | <swaj> | Alias /php5.fcgi /srv/kingsy.co.uk/php5.fastcgi |
| 11:34 | <swaj> | both those file names need to be the same -- change the php5.fcgi to php5.fastcgi |
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| 11:34 | <squircle> | MrGeneral: not fremont |
| 11:34 | <Kingsy> | swaj: ah ok I will do that now |
| 11:34 | <MrGeneral> | squircle, so, what do you suggest? |
| 11:34 | <Kingsy> | swaj: ok fixed that.. |
| 11:35 | <swaj> | restart? |
| 11:35 | <squircle> | MrGeneral: whatever is closest to you or the majority of your users |
| 11:35 | <MrGeneral> | squircle, USA in general :-P |
| 11:35 | <swaj> | Action application/x-httpd-fastphp5 /php5.fcgi <-- change that one too |
| 11:35 | <MrGeneral> | Do you have any ips? |
| 11:35 | <EugeneKay> | !speedtest |
| 11:35 | <linbot> | http://www.linode.com/speedtest |
| 11:35 | <EugeneKay> | !mtr |
| 11:35 | <linbot> | mtr combines the functionality of traceroute and ping into one easy to use tool, and the output can be useful for determining where the source of a problem is. It can be downloaded from http://www.bitwizard.nl/mtr/ or http://winmtr.sourceforge.net/ for Windows. MTR summaries can be retrieved in-channel using the command !mtr-CITY where CITY is fremont, atlanta, newark, dallas or london. |
| 11:35 | <MrGeneral> | thanks EugeneKay ! |
| 11:35 | <swaj> | oh wait wrong window :P |
| 11:36 | <Kingsy> | swaj: ok done that.. |
| 11:36 | <swaj> | anything new in the log? |
| 11:36 | <Kingsy> | restarted apache and I still get that internal recurrsion error |
| 11:36 | <Kingsy> | ok let me check the errro |
| 11:36 | <Kingsy> | log |
| 11:37 | <swaj> | if it's broken still, try adding a "LogLevel debug" after the ErrorLog directive in your virtualhost -- maybe we can get more info |
| 11:37 | <Kingsy> | swaj: nope still says [Wed Jan 18 16:36:51 2012] [error] [client 109.145.92.127] Request exceeded the limit of 10 internal redirects due to probable configuration error. Use 'LimitInternalRecursion' to increase the limit if necessary. Use 'LogLevel debug' to get a backtrace. |
| 11:37 | <Kingsy> | ok |
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| 11:39 | <Kingsy> | swaj: ok got some more info here --> http://pastie.org/3208267 |
| 11:39 | <Kingsy> | swaj: this is magento.. I don't suppose that matters? |
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| 11:40 | <Kingsy> | its just php at the end of the day I guess |
| 11:40 | <swaj> | shouldn't |
| 11:40 | <Kingsy> | yeah didnt think so |
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| 11:45 | <swaj> | that's weird |
| 11:45 | <swaj> | unless there's an .htaccess file that's messing with something... |
| 11:45 | <swaj> | can you check if /srv/kingsy.co.uk/.htaccess exists? |
| 11:45 | <Kingsy> | yeah just looking into that now |
| 11:45 | <Kingsy> | I was thinking that |
| 11:46 | <Kingsy> | ah there is a rewrite rule --> should this --> RewriteRule .* index.php [L] <-- be RewriteRule .* fastcgiphp [L] <-- or something? |
| 11:47 | <swaj> | that's probably the offending rule actually |
| 11:47 | <swaj> | it's sending every request for anything to index.php |
| 11:47 | <Kingsy> | yeah |
| 11:47 | <Kingsy> | bang |
| 11:47 | <Kingsy> | not really sure what to change it to tho |
| 11:47 | <Kingsy> | umm |
| 11:48 | <swaj> | well |
| 11:48 | <swaj> | you can try moving the fastcgi process out of that folder |
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| 11:48 | <swaj> | but I don't think that will matter |
| 11:49 | <Kingsy> | swaj: well I changed it to php5.fastcgi and it worked.. (I got that from the virtualhost setup) |
| 11:49 | <Kingsy> | so thats good :) |
| 11:49 | <Kingsy> | swaj: free -m says I have 173mb free now |
| 11:50 | <swaj> | I would try just commenting that line out with a # |
| 11:50 | <swaj> | and seeing if it works |
| 11:50 | <swaj> | and remember to turn off the debug logging |
| 11:50 | <Kingsy> | swaj: you need that line to ensure the bootstrap file works in magento |
| 11:50 | <swaj> | that really sucks |
| 11:51 | <swaj> | to me that looks like even static assets are going to be served by PHP |
| 11:51 | <Kingsy> | yeah.. its just the way mvc works isnt it? |
| 11:51 | <Kingsy> | bootstrap EVERYTHING |
| 11:51 | <Kingsy> | apart from various things of course |
| 11:51 | <swaj> | meh, not the way I do it, but whatever :P |
| 11:51 | <Kingsy> | such as the image folder.. etc |
| 11:52 | <swaj> | I let my webserver sent static content directly and never touch the routing engine |
| 11:52 | <Kingsy> | swaj: well that seems to have freed up about 100MB of ram.. is that about what you thought we would get? |
| 11:52 | <swaj> | check the +/- disks/cache line . See www.linuxatemyram.com for more info |
| 11:53 | <swaj> | buffers/cache that is |
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| 11:54 | <Kingsy> | swaj: ah cool.. so it actually has 300MB free |
| 11:54 | <swaj> | :) |
| 11:54 | <Kingsy> | wow thats LOADS |
| 11:54 | <Kingsy> | in comparrison I mean |
| 11:54 | <swaj> | now you know why I recommended php5-fpm |
| 11:54 | <@heckman> | twss? |
| 11:54 | <@mikegrb> | lulz |
| 11:54 | <swaj> | lol |
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| 11:54 | <Kingsy> | swaj: I wish I kinda had a more in depth understanding of what we just did there.. I know what I installed.. but I am just not sure WHY it helped.. |
| 11:55 | <Kingsy> | I thought a cgi-bin was for perl? and don't laugh |
| 11:55 | <@heckman> | I have high hopes that Debian 7.0 will have php5-fpm in their repos. |
| 11:55 | <swaj> | it's in unstable, heckman :P |
| 11:55 | <swaj> | which means Debian 8 |
| 11:55 | <@heckman> | Seriously? |
| 11:55 | <swaj> | yar |
| 11:55 | <@heckman> | Ugh.... |
| 11:55 | <@heckman> | 12.04 is going to have it. |
| 11:55 | <swaj> | maybe they'll move it to testing :) |
| 11:55 | <swaj> | if enough people want it |
| 11:56 | <Kingsy> | swaj: is there a way of learning something about the setup we just implemented? |
| 11:56 | <swaj> | Kingsy: basically, what you did was disable an old, somewhat inefficent apache worker |
| 11:56 | <swaj> | that kept the entirety of mod_php in every worker process |
| 11:56 | <swaj> | and moved php out to a separate pool of worker threads |
| 11:56 | <swaj> | so apache does not manage PHP for you anymore |
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| 11:57 | <swaj> | and thus, each apache process does't need a copy of PHP in memory |
| 11:57 | <@heckman> | swaj: it's in testing: php5-fpm (5.3.8.0-1+b1) server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (FPM-CGI binary) |
| 11:57 | <swaj> | heckman: ah, good, so it'll be in 7.0 :) |
| 11:57 | <Kingsy> | swaj: ah ok I think i see |
| 11:57 | <swaj> | Kingsy: php5-fpm is another fastcgi-enabled server. |
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| 11:58 | <swaj> | Kingsy: so you told apache "If you see anything come in for a .php file, send that request over fastcgi to this special server and let it handle that request" |
| 11:58 | <Kingsy> | swaj: what is a fashcgi server? |
| 11:58 | <swaj> | it's a fast, CGI server :P |
| 11:58 | <swaj> | CGI is a protocol |
| 11:59 | <swaj> | basically, CGI is a protocol that lets webservers speak to external processes |
| 11:59 | <swaj> | like RPC |
| 11:59 | <swaj> | fastcgi is newer version that doesn't suck :) |
| 12:00 | <Kingsy> | so CGI is a internal protocol? or does that not make sense? |
| 12:00 | <Kingsy> | sorry I am just new to this server game :P |
| 12:00 | <swaj> | php5-fpm is a fastcgi server that let's any webserver that speeds FastCGI process php scripts |
| 12:00 | <swaj> | it's an interface between the webserver and a custom script or process |
| 12:00 | <swaj> | it's just a standard way of communicating between those processes |
| 12:00 | <swaj> | speeds=supports, man I must be tired :P |
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| 12:01 | <Kingsy> | swaj: what I mean is... I always assumed a protocol was a way of something communicating with something else through ports? |
| 12:01 | <swaj> | right |
| 12:01 | <Kingsy> | this isnt like that? |
| 12:01 | <swaj> | that's what you're doing |
| 12:01 | <Kingsy> | ah ok |
| 12:01 | <swaj> | PHP5-FPM is using 127.0.0.1:9000 on your box |
| 12:01 | <swaj> | apache is then using mod_fastcgi to communicate with PHP5-FPM on that port |
| 12:01 | <Kingsy> | ah ok, so its listening to a internal port |
| 12:02 | <swaj> | fastcgi is the protocol/interface they use to communicate |
| 12:02 | <Kingsy> | ok so.. |
| 12:02 | <swaj> | just like your browser uses HTTP |
| 12:02 | <swaj> | over port 80 |
| 12:02 | <swaj> | you're using FastCGI over port 9000 |
| 12:02 | <Kingsy> | apache listens on port 80 and gets a request... it then uses mod_worker??? right? to handle the request |
| 12:02 | <swaj> | correct |
| 12:03 | <swaj> | then mod worker sees your vhost config and says "oh this request is for a php file, let's send that off to php5.fastcgi" |
| 12:03 | <swaj> | then the action line you added says "php5.fastcgi" is actually at "/srv/blah.com/php5.fasgcgi" |
| 12:03 | <Kingsy> | but thats a fake file that doesnt exist right? |
| 12:03 | <Kingsy> | cos I sure as hell didnt make it :) |
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| 12:04 | <swaj> | then the fastcgiserver line you added says "hey, /srv/blah.com/php5.fastcgi is really just a fake guy, and you should send this request to host 127.0.0.1:9000 using fastcgi" |
| 12:04 | * | JediMaster hugs php5-fpm |
| 12:04 | <swaj> | then php5-fpm gets the communications on port 9000 using fastcgi, and it says "hey I can handle that" and runs your script. Then it communicates back with apache and says "okay, I ran the script, here's the output" |
| 12:04 | <Kingsy> | ok, then php5-fpm interprets for php and returns it to apache |
| 12:04 | <swaj> | then apache says "here you go user, here's your request" |
| 12:05 | <Kingsy> | which returns it to you using http |
| 12:05 | <swaj> | exactly |
| 12:05 | <JediMaster> | ewww, apache and php5-fpm? |
| 12:05 | <JediMaster> | if you're going to the hassle of using php5-fpm, use nginx! |
| 12:05 | <@mikegrb> | lulz |
| 12:05 | <swaj> | lol I was fighting one battle at a time :P |
| 12:05 | <JediMaster> | ah fair enough |
| 12:05 | <JediMaster> | =) |
| 12:05 | <swaj> | got him off prefork + mod_php at least :) |
| 12:05 | <@mikegrb> | lulz |
| 12:05 | <Kingsy> | lol |
| 12:05 | <JediMaster> | good job |
| 12:06 | <Kingsy> | I still don't really understand what prefork did tbh.. why was it so bad? |
| 12:06 | <swaj> | prefork loaded up some processes to handle requests |
| 12:06 | <Kingsy> | I understand mod_php was crap cos it was opening a new php thrad for every request |
| 12:06 | <swaj> | but then it loaded the entire PHP runtime inside each process. |
| 12:06 | <Kingsy> | thats right yeah? |
| 12:06 | <swaj> | so instead of one copy of PHP |
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| 12:06 | <Kingsy> | swaj: thats mod_php that did that right? |
| 12:06 | <swaj> | you were running 1 PHP * (num of processes) copies |
| 12:07 | <swaj> | yeah, well sorta :) it was the prefork + mod_php combo that made it happen |
| 12:07 | <swaj> | mod_php isn't inherently terrible, just combining it with prefork can make your server gobble memory like candy. |
| 12:07 | <Kingsy> | swaj: how the hell did you learn all of this? |
| 12:07 | <Kingsy> | I wanna know it all :) |
| 12:08 | <swaj> | if you want a really fast webserver with almost no memory usage, I recommend nginx :) |
| 12:08 | <swaj> | but yeah |
| 12:08 | <swaj> | another battle |
| 12:08 | <swaj> | nginx is a beast |
| 12:08 | * | JediMaster has 50 nginx + php-fpm servers |
| 12:08 | <swaj> | only problem is you'd have to convert those whacky htaccess rules to nginx |
| 12:08 | <Kingsy> | can you recommend any sources that teach you this stuff? |
| 12:09 | <@heckman> | I think mod_rewrite is a little more fully baked. |
| 12:09 | <swaj> | I'm just a web developer that watches lots of blogs/forums/etc. |
| 12:09 | <swaj> | mod_rewrite is indeed quite good. I wish igor would just steal it and bake it into nginx :P |
| 12:09 | * | JediMaster just dives head first into trying new stuff, breaks things then learns from fixing them =) |
| 12:09 | <Kingsy> | swaj: you know of any good blogs I could learn some of this stuff? |
| 12:09 | <swaj> | uh, not off the top of my head |
| 12:09 | <JediMaster> | much to the annoyance of my mother when I used to pull apart the TV |
| 12:09 | <swaj> | I just follow .NET guys mostly |
| 12:09 | <swaj> | a few ruby guys |
| 12:10 | <swaj> | find the figureheads in your community of choice and follow them :) |
| 12:10 | <swaj> | oh, and I follow a crazy python guy too |
| 12:10 | <swaj> | (Zed Shaw) |
| 12:10 | <swaj> | Zed's got a lot of good advice |
| 12:11 | <Kingsy> | well I don't use python |
| 12:11 | <swaj> | http://learncodethehardway.org/ |
| 12:11 | <swaj> | Zed's online ebook club |
| 12:11 | <swaj> | he teaches |
| 12:11 | <Kingsy> | cool |
| 12:11 | <swaj> | all his stuff is free for the HTML versions |
| 12:11 | <swaj> | and his writing is good |
| 12:12 | <JediMaster> | Kingsy: RTFM too, php.net is a good resource for PHP =) |
| 12:13 | <JediMaster> | especially when you can do: php.net/htmlentities for instance |
| 12:13 | <rnowak> | it is a good reference manual which you can use if you know how to program |
| 12:13 | <JediMaster> | yes true |
| 12:13 | <JediMaster> | not great from nothing though |
| 12:13 | <Kingsy> | well it was pretty cool installing that I just wish i knew what I was doing a little more (with config) |
| 12:13 | <rnowak> | knowing how to program, the technique, is not quite the same as just needing to look up things for your platform |
| 12:13 | <swaj> | PHP is protesting SOPA :P |
| 12:13 | <JediMaster> | really? |
| 12:13 | <JediMaster> | oh yeah! |
| 12:13 | <@mikegrb> | lulz |
| 12:13 | <JediMaster> | lol |
| 12:14 | <Kingsy> | wow |
| 12:14 | <JediMaster> | so is wikipedia |
| 12:14 | <swaj> | yeah |
| 12:14 | <swaj> | so is reddit :P |
| 12:14 | <Kingsy> | is this a good place to hang out? maybe learn stuff in here too? |
| 12:14 | <Kingsy> | or is this support only? no idle |
| 12:14 | <JediMaster> | yup, all sorts of questions get asked here, generally someone has the answer |
| 12:14 | <rnowak> | you'll learn that debian is superior, and that urmom is always relevant |
| 12:14 | <Kingsy> | cool |
| 12:15 | <Kingsy> | ubuntu is debian right? |
| 12:15 | * | rnowak dies |
| 12:15 | <JediMaster> | it's based on it |
| 12:15 | <JediMaster> | different group of people |
| 12:15 | <rnowak> | ubuntu's like the bastard black sheep of the family <3 |
| 12:15 | <JediMaster> | got to love it |
| 12:15 | <rnowak> | !debian |
| 12:15 | <linbot> | Today is Debian Appreciation Day! \o/ |
| 12:15 | <GaveUp> | it's the bratty grandson that thinks it knows everything and is the center of the world :P |
| 12:16 | <swaj> | indeed |
| 12:16 | <Kingsy> | personal preference I guess, I have picked xubuntu as my distro for my desktops and ubuntu as my server distro |
| 12:16 | <swaj> | yeah |
| 12:16 | <swaj> | I used to be an ubuntu guy, but debian offered me cookies, so I switched. |
| 12:16 | <rnowak> | good enough choices, if you now don't feel the need to run pure superiority on your server (: |
| 12:16 | * | akerl runs for his Arch flag |
| 12:16 | <GaveUp> | personal preference sure...doesn't mean one of the choices isn't wrong :P |
| 12:16 | <JediMaster> | it's basically debian backed by a company with a few flavours and newer packages than the stable version of debian, as they release every 6 months instead of every 6 years... |
| 12:17 | * | rnowak trips akerl and ties him up to a debian flagpole |
| 12:17 | <Kingsy> | akerl: I used to use arch but it just wasnt friendly enough for a n00bie like me :) |
| 12:17 | <Alan> | holy crap do i want to kill openjdk |
| 12:17 | <@akerl> | rnowak: Don't make me fix your debian trigger again |
| 12:17 | <swaj> | ubuntu = debian testing + various nonfree stuff + unity and ubuntu branding crap :) |
| 12:17 | <Alan> | it needs to be destroyed |
| 12:17 | <Alan> | completely |
| 12:17 | <rnowak> | akerl: >:( |
| 12:17 | <JediMaster> | however, for that reason it can be marginally less stable than debian, but I never notice any problems myself |
| 12:17 | <Kingsy> | well I gotta run guys.. |
| 12:17 | <Kingsy> | swaj: awesome stuff.. thanks so much |
| 12:17 | <rnowak> | something that arch can't |
| 12:17 | <swaj> | you're welcome :) |
| 12:18 | <swaj> | glad you're running with lots of free RAM now |
| 12:18 | <Kingsy> | yeah.. feeeeellin good |
| 12:18 | <JediMaster> | even more if you use nginx =) |
| 12:18 | <Kingsy> | I will be back a bit later on |
| 12:19 | <Kingsy> | laters ppl swaj: thanks again |
| 12:19 | <rnowak> | so do you folks use ephemeral diffie-hellman on your ssl terminated servers, or have you disabled it? |
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| 14:22 | <WTFRed> | Quick question: If i create a instance/vps can it later be moved to another account? |
| 14:23 | <WTFRed> | As in create in my account for a client and eventually move to another account when the client takes over billing |
| 14:23 | <bdube> | WTFRed: I think with a ticket from both accounts, you can do that |
| 14:23 | <squircle> | I don't see why not, as long as both parties consented |
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| 14:24 | <WTFRed> | Cool, thanks |
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| 14:31 | <mdcollins> | Some how my scroll back killed xchat on startup and now my apartment's water has been turned off >_< |
| 14:31 | <mdcollins> | I should specify. My apartment complex's water* |
| 14:32 | * | heckman continues with the plan to drive mdcollins mad |
| 14:32 | <mdcollins> | Have you been making my cat poop on the floor?!? |
| 14:32 | <auraka> | well.....today work productivity is up :-/ |
| 14:32 | <rnowak> | mdcollins: that's not cat poo |
| 14:32 | <@heckman> | mdcollins: the cat was easy to convince |
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| 14:33 | <mdcollins> | Ah good ol #linode :D |
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| 14:34 | <auraka> | wow....congressmen are dropping SOPA support quickly |
| 14:35 | <rnowak> | they needed to research it on wikipedia, and notice they couldn't |
| 14:35 | <rnowak> | +d |
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| 14:38 | <auraka> | or the fact that their phone is ringing off the hook with "WHY DID YOU BREAK MY IE" |
| 14:38 | <mdcollins> | Good, I hope SOPA dies a horrible death it deserves. |
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| 14:41 | <auraka> | http://www.mediaite.com/tv/wikipedia-founder-jimmy-wales-trashes-sopa-on-outfront/ |
| 14:42 | <hawk> | mdcollins: But think of poor MPAA, they feel the protests are such an "abuse of power" and a "dangerous and troubling development" :P |
| 14:43 | <Nivex> | They're just pissed that when the chips are down we can scream louder than they can. |
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| 14:44 | <swaj> | All those dollars they spent lobbying for SOPA and PIPA... gone :P |
| 14:44 | <auraka> | not yet |
| 14:44 | <hawk> | Far from gone at this stage... |
| 14:44 | <swaj> | the bill sponsors in both cases have backed down |
| 14:45 | <kyhwana> | But it's still going to be looked at next month too |
| 14:45 | <swaj> | and the president has said he will veto them |
| 14:45 | <mdcollins> | I thought it was being voted on in a few days? |
| 14:46 | <swaj> | Jan 24 is the day it's supposed to be voted on, but if the bill sponsors withdraw, it will be killed. |
| 14:46 | <swaj> | PIPA's co-sponsor has withdrawn |
| 14:46 | <swaj> | and SOPA's main sponsor has withdrawn as well |
| 14:46 | <kyhwana> | swaj: he also said he'd veto the law that allows the US military to detain anyone anywhere for any reason |
| 14:46 | <auraka> | http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2012/01/18/exp-point-ohanian-sopa-pipa.cnn |
| 14:47 | <swaj> | he'll veto it, election year coming |
| 14:47 | <squircle> | i was far too young to remember... was there this much outrage over the PATRIOT act? |
| 14:47 | <kyhwana> | squircle: think of the children! |
| 14:48 | <Nivex> | "The hard part about playing chicken is knowing when to flinch." *AA called our bluff and we hit 'em hard. |
| 14:48 | <Kos> | squircle: don't believe so, but social media wasn't as huge back thenas it is today |
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| 14:52 | <mdcollins> | :O google's front page is censored! |
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| 14:53 | <mbreslin> | the sopa supporters pockets are deep |
| 14:53 | <swaj> | google, wordpress, wikipedia, reddit, the FSF, destructoid, minecraft -- they'are all protesting :) |
| 14:54 | <Kos> | don't forgot zombo.com |
| 14:54 | <mbreslin> | the people who's campaigns they're happy to give millions to have no term limits and can afford to grind it out |
| 14:54 | <mbreslin> | some form of the bill will pass with plenty of nasty shit to go around |
| 14:54 | <@mikegrb> | lulz |
| 14:54 | <swaj> | lol |
| 14:54 | <swaj> | that's ludicrous |
| 14:55 | <mdcollins> | They will just attach parts of it to other unrelated bills >_< |
| 14:55 | <hawk> | mdcollins: Most likely |
| 14:55 | <hawk> | Yes, that's more or less standard procedure, isn't it? |
| 14:55 | <mbreslin> | americans don't have the attention span to keep up the fight in any kind of extended battle |
| 14:55 | <swaj> | when you take away their wikipedia they do |
| 14:56 | <hawk> | swaj: Yeah, but wikipedia will not take itself away indefinitely |
| 14:56 | <squircle> | america makes me sad :( |
| 14:56 | <mdcollins> | It should be illegal to attach unrelated items to a bill, but then who determines it's unrelated.. :( |
| 14:56 | <swaj> | no, but the whole protest thing will just repeat itself |
| 14:56 | <mbreslin> | swaj: i appreciate your optimism |
| 14:56 | <swaj> | the whole "rider" concept should just go away :) |
| 14:56 | <swaj> | there's a lot of support for ending it |
| 14:56 | <swaj> | hope it happens |
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| 14:57 | <mbreslin> | you can be considered a suspected terroist for having a year's worth of food in your house or whatever it is |
| 14:58 | <mbreslin> | common sense != washington dc |
| 14:58 | <Nivex> | yeah, that's why once SOPA is squashed we need to go after NDAA |
| 14:58 | <mbreslin> | ndaa is law it's not going anywhere |
| 14:59 | <Nivex> | laws get overturned |
| 14:59 | <GaveUp> | and replaced with their uglier cousin |
| 14:59 | <Nivex> | really? I thought sure we could drink alcohol in this country. |
| 15:00 | <mdcollins> | I'm not very political, but I may have to start soon.. First with California's propisitions a few years ago and now this crap. |
| 15:01 | <Nivex> | Today's politicians need to be reminded that their predecessors were actually statesmen, and that the ideals we stand for can't just be soundbytes. |
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| 15:01 | <mbreslin> | Nivex: i also appreciate your optimism |
| 15:01 | <GaveUp> | s/optimism/delusions/ |
| 15:01 | <@akerl> | Nivex: Is it fun living in the minority? |
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| 15:01 | <@heckman> | pseudoviking for president |
| 15:01 | <Nivex> | mbreslin: Hope is about all we got left. |
| 15:02 | <Nivex> | akerl: No. |
| 15:02 | <@akerl> | The vast majority of americans don't care. That's why there are tons of people who are freaking out that wikipedia is down, but they don't know why |
| 15:02 | <Nivex> | akerl: They do now. |
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| 15:02 | <Nivex> | which was the point of the exercise |
| 15:03 | <@akerl> | Nivex: People aren't bothering to read the message. |
| 15:03 | <mdcollins> | Now for the great debate of wether or not I shall use the restroom while my water isn't running >_< |
| 15:04 | <@akerl> | Nivex: http://gawker.com/5877192/stupid-high-school-kids-and-teachers-freak-out-over-wikipedia-blackout |
| 15:04 | <rnowak> | (: |
| 15:05 | <smed_> | id10ts |
| 15:05 | <smed_> | how many phone calls I got today stating that "google is down" |
| 15:05 | <smed_> | they should not be allowed to vote. |
| 15:06 | <mbreslin> | 99.9% of those tweets are jokes |
| 15:06 | <@akerl> | mbreslin: You wish |
| 15:06 | <mbreslin> | i do |
| 15:06 | <smed_> | I just have stupid users. |
| 15:06 | * | mbreslin cynical && closet optimist |
| 15:07 | <hawk> | Reading those quotes my sarcasm detector goes off repeatedly, but I suppose some of them may be serious. |
| 15:07 | <@akerl> | hawk: There are also far too many people who take Onion articles seriously |
| 15:07 | <rnowak> | hawk: the sarcasm detector is often triggered by them ahmerikunz too (: |
| 15:09 | <@mikegrb> | lulz |
| 15:09 | <@heckman> | akerl: "What is happening with soap omg wikipedia and google" I lol'd |
| 15:09 | <Kyh> | amazon, y u send me emails about buying mp3s when I cant buy them off you? |
| 15:09 | <mbreslin> | my son is reading a book on famour americans and he always gets so bummed out because all of them are dead, well one of them was yo yo ma who is still alive obviously and he was happy and asked where he lives now |
| 15:10 | <mbreslin> | it wasn't easy to find out without wikip |
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| 15:10 | <mbreslin> | s/famour/famous |
| 15:10 | <@heckman> | http://en.m.wikipedia.com/ |
| 15:10 | <@akerl> | Or just turn off javascript... |
| 15:10 | <mdcollins> | Hah! GoDaddy stated they supported SOPA only to later say they don't. They probably got a mass flood of emails and calls about that. |
| 15:10 | <Kos> | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/?banner=no |
| 15:11 | <@heckman> | ^ more effort x2 |
| 15:11 | <hawk> | The encarta jokes have been pretty entertaining, anyway... eg https://twitter.com/#!/fchimero/status/159534245361106944 |
| 15:11 | <Kos> | yeah, since links don't retain the ?banner=no parameter =( |
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| 15:11 | <mbreslin> | hawk: haha! |
| 15:13 | <mbreslin> | when i was young we got our encyclopedia one volume at a time from the grocery store |
| 15:14 | <hawk> | mdcollins: There was a fairly substantial campaign for people to transfer from them (and other registrars provided "nodaddy" deals for transfers etc) |
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| 15:14 | <mdcollins> | <- hasn't used GoDaddy in years ;) |
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| 15:16 | <squircle> | does anybody with an xbox want 100 free microsoft points? |
| 15:16 | <hawk> | <- has never used godaddy :P |
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| 15:20 | <squircle> | if a lady just got a gun onto a plane at DFW... why does the TSA exist? |
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| 15:21 | <Emilio> | hi |
| 15:21 | <squircle> | hi! |
| 15:22 | <mdcollins> | Cause they are there for looks. |
| 15:22 | <squircle> | i see |
| 15:22 | <squircle> | do you still have to take your shoes off down there? |
| 15:23 | <Katana> | of course |
| 15:23 | <squircle> | CATSA >> TSA |
| 15:23 | <Katana> | grandma is also considered a massive threat still |
| 15:23 | <@heckman> | piping catsa |
| 15:23 | <squircle> | i always leave my belt and shoes on, phone in pocket, wallet... |
| 15:23 | <hawk> | squircle: To make people feel safe? I dunno... |
| 15:24 | <Emilio> | Hi, someone knows if is possible to have two linodes in the same internal network ? |
| 15:24 | <Katana> | hawk: have you considered how easy it would be to have someone sitting a mile away from an airport with a shoulder-launched stinger? |
| 15:24 | <squircle> | hawk: somehow, the words "america" and "false security" have become synonymous in my head |
| 15:24 | <squircle> | Emilio: of course! data transferred between linodes in the same datacentre is free. |
| 15:25 | <hawk> | Katana: It's not something I usually think of, but sure, why not. I get a feeling you may have misunderstood my point, though. |
| 15:25 | <Kyh> | Emilio: yes, if you have them inside the same DC |
| 15:25 | <Emilio> | squircle, cool. And the speed is good? I want to have two servers using session with a redis backend |
| 15:26 | <Emilio> | So I purchase a new linode, but where can I specify the DC ? |
| 15:26 | <Katana> | hawk: it's an illusion of security when you can just sidestep the entire process and take down the plane from the outside |
| 15:26 | <squircle> | it asks you |
| 15:26 | <@heckman> | It happens after you log in for the first time |
| 15:26 | <@heckman> | It's not part of the sign-up process. |
| 15:26 | <hawk> | Katana: My point was that they are there for show, to make people FEEL safe. |
| 15:27 | <Katana> | hawk: indeed - the israelis have a much more effective system, shame we don't take their example to heart |
| 15:28 | <Katana> | http://twitpic.com/88ueqz <- lawl |
| 15:29 | <mdcollins> | Emilio, When you set up the 'node it'll ask for which DC. |
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| 15:29 | <Emilio> | mdcollins, perfect. Thanks! |
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| 15:41 | <mdcollins> | Ugh, I think I just talked to someone at a telemarketing place.. I heard a bazillion phones dialing in the background and ringing. |
| 15:41 | <mdcollins> | But only 2 people talking. |
| 15:42 | <mdcollins> | And my water is still not back on.. |
| 15:43 | <rnowak> | SOAP cut you off |
| 15:43 | <rnowak> | the cousin of SOPA |
| 15:43 | <mdcollins> | AHA I just heard water rushing! |
| 15:43 | <mdcollins> | Time to go to the bathroom >_< |
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| 15:45 | <Kyh> | O.o |
| 15:46 | <linbot> | New news from forums: IO "Problem"? in General Discussion <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=8321>; |
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| 15:49 | <mdcollins> | Nevermind, it's a false alarm. |
| 15:49 | <Kyh> | so no water? |
| 15:49 | <mdcollins> | Nope, |
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| 15:55 | <Smilex> | does a Linode plan come with a domain name? |
| 15:55 | <Malstrond> | no |
| 15:56 | <Smilex> | so I can freely register with a DNS host in Europe? |
| 15:56 | <dwfreed> | yep |
| 15:56 | <Smilex> | perfect, thanks for the help |
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| 15:56 | <Malstrond> | Linode is not a registrar. You can use any registrar and use them to point the domain to the IP of your Linode, or to point the domain to the namsevers of linode and then use the linode UI to manage the DNS entries |
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| 15:58 | <Smilex> | I do not have much knowledge with nameservers. Are nameservers hosted with the server, as in, if I were to host in London, the nameserver would be in London? |
| 15:58 | <bbtech> | I am seeing the following in auth.log every second: Jan 19 13:26:10 hostName sshd[27988]: (pam_unix) session opened for user root by (uid=0) |
| 15:58 | <bbtech> | What is that? |
| 15:58 | <Malstrond> | linode runs the namsever, you use the webui to set which DNS entries you want: http://library.linode.com/dns-guides/configuring-dns-with-the-linode-manager |
| 15:59 | <@heckman> | bbtech: pastebin a little more context |
| 15:59 | <Kyh> | Smilex: linode has 5-6 DNS servers located in all their DC's (afaik) |
| 15:59 | <@heckman> | 5 |
| 15:59 | <@heckman> | none in Tokyo |
| 15:59 | <Kyh> | Not one in tokyo yet? |
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| 15:59 | <@heckman> | Not yet anyhow |
| 15:59 | <bbtech> | heckman: that is all I got...there are thousands of lines that look just like that |
| 16:00 | <mdcollins> | Possibly someone trying to log in as root? |
| 16:00 | <@heckman> | Seems like it. |
| 16:00 | <@akerl> | s/trying/succeeding/ |
| 16:00 | <bbtech> | heckman: only thing that changes between the lines is the sshd[NUMBER] - I assume that is the PID |
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| 16:00 | <bbtech> | akerl:the succedding part is what I'm worried about |
| 16:00 | <bbtech> | who, only shows two users (one of which is myself) |
| 16:00 | <@akerl> | bbtech: Is your sshd logging somewhere else? |
| 16:01 | <Kyh> | bbtech: do you have allow root login via ssh turned on? |
| 16:01 | <bbtech> | Kyh: I can login as root via an ssh key - so yes |
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| 16:02 | * | bbtech is very unfamiliar with this box - it's located offshore :/ |
| 16:02 | <bbtech> | SyslogFacility AUTH |
| 16:02 | <bbtech> | SyslogFacility AUTHPRIV |
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| 16:04 | <Kyh> | Hmm, is it set to only allow logins via key auth ? |
| 16:04 | <mdcollins> | Is ssh set only to allow key logins? |
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| 16:04 | <Bartzy> | resizing to a 512 node.. |
| 16:05 | <Smilex> | Malstrond, I hope I do not sound too stupid, but I don't see any information about which nameserver or DNS service, is European? |
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| 16:05 | <Bartzy> | Didn't have a 512 one for a long time.. suddenly it seems so small ;p |
| 16:05 | <mdcollins> | Meh, I run my home server with less memory :P |
| 16:05 | <bbtech> | nope, looks like password login is allowed as well |
| 16:06 | <Kyh> | Smilex: what do you mean? |
| 16:06 | <Kyh> | Smilex: there's a linode DNS server in london |
| 16:06 | <Bartzy> | mdcollins: It will just host some gearman workers that upload stuff |
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| 16:07 | <Smilex> | Kyh, I'm not exactly sure myself, I don't know what a nameserver is, and my favorite fast research site, wikipedia.org, is protesting, so what I want is to have a DNS server with my plan that is out of US jurisdiction and not owned by ICANN |
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| 16:08 | <Malstrond> | that'll be hard considering ICANN has the root servers |
| 16:09 | <@akerl> | Smilex: You can still use wikipedia you know? |
| 16:09 | <Smilex> | akerl, by disabling javascript or embedded stylesheets? |
| 16:09 | <Bartzy> | Do you use your ssh key for lish as well ? |
| 16:10 | <Bartzy> | or did you generate another key only for that ? |
| 16:10 | <@akerl> | Smilex: Yea, or adding ?banner=no or by hitting ESC before the banner |
| 16:10 | <Kyh> | Smilex: Oh, hope you're not planning on using a domain that are run by any US companies (like .com/.org/etc) |
| 16:10 | <Malstrond> | Smilex: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page?banner=no |
| 16:10 | <@heckman> | http://en.m.wikipedia.org/ |
| 16:10 | <@heckman> | Otherwise you need to add the banner every time. |
| 16:11 | <Kyh> | Because the DHS can still "seize" any domains that are registered with any US registrars or owa tld run by a US company |
| 16:11 | <Smilex> | Kyh, forgot about the domains.. .net is also US domain? |
| 16:12 | <Kyh> | And linode is still a US company, so failing that the US can force linode to change your DNS records |
| 16:12 | <Kyh> | Smilex: yep |
| 16:12 | <Kyh> | (If you use the linode DNS servers) |
| 16:12 | * | mdcollins *shakes fist at america* |
| 16:12 | <Smilex> | I clearly do not understand the system well enough. |
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| 16:13 | <Bartzy> | Hey |
| 16:14 | <Bartzy> | got disconnected.. anyone answered my Lish ssh key question? :) |
| 16:14 | <@heckman> | It's your own personal preference. My SSH keys are by machine. |
| 16:14 | <@akerl> | I tend to use one priv key per device |
| 16:14 | <@heckman> | FIRST |
| 16:14 | <Kyh> | Smilex: basically, you're boned either way, the US thinks (and can seem to) do whatever it wants, even too other countries |
| 16:14 | <dzho> | first rule of key security is . . . |
| 16:14 | <Smilex> | ok, maybe I should just ask it plainly. Is there any way I can host with Linode, and have the US have no juristiction or ties to my servers. Also if it is possible that my money won't go to US taxes, that'd be great |
| 16:14 | <retro|blah> | Bartzy: I use the same key for both but my level of paranoia is lower than average |
| 16:14 | <Kyh> | Smilex: nope |
| 16:14 | <Malstrond> | nope |
| 16:14 | <@akerl> | Smilex: No |
| 16:15 | <dzho> | one of these things is not like the others |
| 16:15 | <Kyh> | I have a .nz domain for that reason ;) |
| 16:16 | <Smilex> | oh well, dissapointment is a big part of being an idealist, I guess |
| 16:16 | <Malstrond> | it all starts and ends with ICANN, which is under US jurisdiction. ICANN delegates every .tld to other registrars, for example the german .de to the DENIC. the DENIC is not under US jurisdiction. but the ICANN could in theory reverse the delegation at any time |
| 16:16 | <Malstrond> | so even .tlds of other countries are not "safe" |
| 16:16 | <Smilex> | I would have thought that Europe would at least be compitent enough to provide its own services. |
| 16:17 | <hawk> | heckman, akerl: But you are talking about one key per machine you connect _from_, right? As I read Bartzy's question it was about different keys for different things he connects _to_...? |
| 16:17 | <Bartzy> | heckman: You have a SSH key-pair for each machine?? by machine you mean server, or a machine you use physically ? |
| 16:17 | <@heckman> | Remeber, Al Gore invented the internet. |
| 16:17 | <Malstrond> | an few attempts have been made, for example the Open Root Server Network, but they all fizzled |
| 16:17 | <@heckman> | I have a pubkey for each computer I personally use, and I have a single pubkey that all of my servers use to communicate with one another. |
| 16:18 | <Smilex> | Malstrond, but I've heard that the American infastructure is not great, when it comes to internet services, and that Sweden, for example, has a much better infastructure. If this is true, should a DNS service be able to provide better service in Sweden than the US? |
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| 16:19 | <linbot> | New news from forums: wallclock drift on Debian 6 (2011) i386 Linode in General Discussion <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=8324>; |
| 16:20 | <hawk> | Smilex: For servicing the US there is quite a bit of latency with that distance (which you can't do much about, speed of light is only so fast...) |
| 16:21 | <rnowak> | bastard slow light |
| 16:21 | <Malstrond> | Smilex: for DNS reliablity it doesn't really matter. the router of some random end user probably uses the DNS server of their ISP, which copies and caches the DNS data from a root server. even if it went down or had latency, it wouldn't matter. |
| 16:21 | <Bartzy> | retro|blah: yeah, I guess... what could happen :p |
| 16:22 | <hawk> | Malstrond: "copies and caches data from a root server" sounds like a weird way of describing the lookup process... |
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| 16:22 | <rnowak> | !cdn |
| 16:22 | <linbot> | http://imgur.com/BUn0Q |
| 16:23 | <Tea> | Except imgur is blacked out so that's useless |
| 16:23 | <Malstrond> | working for me, do they have a geolocation-based blackout? |
| 16:23 | <rnowak> | http://ovron.com/tmp/cdn.jpg |
| 16:24 | <hawk> | Malstrond: Probably |
| 16:24 | <rnowak> | I got the blackout image before on imgur, it is gone now though |
| 16:24 | <Tea> | Well I'm in England and SOPA is apparently only a US thing (it's not) so I don't see it being geolocation |
| 16:24 | <rnowak> | actually it isn't - new images still show the SOPA |
| 16:25 | <Smilex> | Malstrond, well thanks for the help |
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| 16:25 | <Bartzy> | What's a good hostname for a machine that uploads and deletes files from a central storage ? :p |
| 16:25 | <Bartzy> | uploader-01 sucks :< |
| 16:26 | <@akerl> | I'm not a fan of using a hostname to define purpose, unless it's symbolism |
| 16:27 | <rnowak> | call it patrickstar |
| 16:28 | <Kyh> | putrmrfer ? ;) |
| 16:28 | <rnowak> | patrickstar is the best name for it, be quiet |
| 16:28 | <@akerl> | I have to agree |
| 16:29 | <dwfreed> | because of !cdn, heh |
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| 16:42 | <Bartzy> | akerl: But when you have many servers it becomes tedious to call them in random names |
| 16:43 | <@akerl> | Bartzy: How often are you "calling" them things? |
| 16:43 | <@akerl> | Like only when you ssh? |
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| 17:02 | <DephNet[Paul]> | Bartzy, not really, I have quite a few servers, and they are all named after elements, and I know what each one does |
| 17:02 | <rnowak> | get off my lawn |
| 17:03 | <Bartzy> | akerl: if you have 20 application servers |
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| 17:03 | <Bartzy> | won't you just call them app-01 app-02 or something like that ? |
| 17:03 | <rnowak> | we've got over 800 nodes, they all have pretty names! |
| 17:03 | <Kyh> | rnowak: are there enough gods out there? ;) |
| 17:04 | <@akerl> | Bartzy: Nope. What happens when a applictation server is no longer an application server? |
| 17:04 | <rnowak> | Kyh: they are molecule names (: |
| 17:04 | <Bartzy> | or beers ? |
| 17:04 | <Bartzy> | akerl: shred it :) |
| 17:04 | <Kyh> | hehe |
| 17:04 | <Bartzy> | akerl: You'll probably want to redeploy anyway... |
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| 17:08 | <Null_> | you don't like a hostname to define purpose? Is admining them your day job or just a hobby? |
| 17:08 | <rnowak> | ye I have over 800 computers in my closet |
| 17:09 | <Kyh> | or 800 VMs |
| 17:09 | <Null_> | could be, didn't notice your reply, was referring to akerl, sorry |
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| 17:11 | <@akerl> | my servers are all personal, but I still lobby against purpose-related names |
| 17:11 | <Null_> | to each their own I guess. I find being able to easily identify what subsystem, location, and function a host has by simply looking at hostname (either via monitoring, or munin, or whatever) insanely useful. |
| 17:11 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 17:11 | <Null_> | of course |
| 17:11 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 17:11 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 17:11 | <Null_> | 1 name, 1 purpose |
| 17:11 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 17:12 | <Null_> | not in our environment. (aside from some legacy stuff) |
| 17:12 | <Null_> | everything is vm's, and everything is nicely compartmentalized. |
| 17:12 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 17:12 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 17:13 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 17:14 | <Null_> | true, most of our hardware is simply the dom0's or cluster controllers, which do have meaningful names, but thats because they make sense to in their case. They do that 1 thing. |
| 17:16 | <Null_> | still, some hardware we inherited that were named after some anime show were nothing but annoying to deal with |
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| 17:17 | <mdcollins> | Hence why functional names are better, anyone can look and have a better idea of what it does over animeShow as a hostname.. |
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| 17:17 | <Null_> | exactly! |
| 17:17 | <rnowak> | so what would you have done if you got one called webserver14 if you already had one called webserver14? |
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| 17:18 | <rnowak> | surely you'd switch its name, just like you should have done with the servers you inherited |
| 17:18 | <Null_> | right |
| 17:18 | <praetorian> | functional names can be okay. but please, dont go overboard on them |
| 17:18 | <Null_> | to something equally useful like webserver15....so whats your point? |
| 17:18 | <praetorian> | server-sydney-kentst-web-frontned-01 |
| 17:18 | <mdcollins> | webserver is too general, if you can, make it more specific to the subdomain or something. |
| 17:19 | <rnowak> | what my point is? don't like the anime names? assign them names that follow your scheme |
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| 17:19 | <praetorian> | mdcollins: you assume its only on one subdomain :p |
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| 17:20 | <mdcollins> | Well, if it's that general and you only need a few for the whole webserver, then webserver01 works. |
| 17:20 | <mdcollins> | Err, whole website* |
| 17:21 | <Null_> | purpose.subsystem.environment.rootdomain is generally what we've moved to. It can get somewhat cumbersome, but, always know where to find things. |
| 17:21 | <praetorian> | hows rsi? |
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| 17:22 | <praetorian> | tbh at work we use sr-<type><os>-<desc>.<reg>.<domain> |
| 17:22 | <praetorian> | sr-uat2k8-pax01.syd.... |
| 17:23 | <Null_> | someone tried incorporating rack locations into hostnames, got way out of hand, heh |
| 17:23 | <rnowak> | you need an asset tracking plan |
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| 17:25 | <Null_> | its true, company decided to get rid of the colo guys and push it onto our shoulders, so that aspect could be better. |
| 17:25 | <Null_> | flat files in git parsed by various scripts give us useful output at this point |
| 17:25 | <Null_> | semi-annoying |
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| 17:25 | <rnowak> | heh |
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| 17:27 | <Null_> | thankfully most things are vm's now, hardware footprint is much less these days |
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| 17:28 | <praetorian> | one would say you could use TXT records to give you information like rack location |
| 17:28 | <praetorian> | :p |
| 17:31 | <bob2> | bah |
| 17:31 | <bob2> | HINFO or gtfo |
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| 17:34 | <Kingsy> | swaj: you around? |
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| 17:36 | <JoshMTB> | Hey. I'mm following the static networking guide for CentOS, but it doesn't specifically say what the netmask & gateways are, I would thought they would be local IPs? |
| 17:36 | <squircle> | it says in the linode manager |
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| 17:36 | <bob2> | (it is local and thus dc-specific and thus not in the instructions) |
| 17:36 | <squircle> | dashboard of your linode on the Remote Access tab |
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| 17:37 | <JoshMTB> | I just pinged them & realised they're close |
| 17:37 | <JoshMTB> | Just didn't seem like local IPs |
| 17:38 | <JoshMTB> | The netmask isn't, but I presume that doesn't change? |
| 17:38 | <JoshMTB> | or is the one after the slash? |
| 17:38 | <squircle> | ^^ |
| 17:38 | <squircle> | the one after the slash |
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| 17:38 | <JoshMTB> | Thanks :) |
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| 17:39 | <@heckman> | Public IPs are 255.255.255.0, Private IPs have a netmask of 255.255.128.03 |
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| 17:39 | <@heckman> | er 255.255.128.0 |
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| 17:40 | <JoshMTB> | Now I lost connection to the linode :/ |
| 17:40 | <JoshMTB> | Shwing. |
| 17:40 | <JoshMTB> | Give lish a bash |
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| 17:41 | <@akerl> | I've got lish configured in my ssh_config for easy magics |
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| 17:43 | <JoshMTB> | Lish worked fine, that's some pretty cool sw. |
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| 17:44 | <JoshMTB> | Now to work out why it did that |
| 17:44 | <Goatbert> | why is my linode asking me for a passphrase for a key that doesn't have one |
| 17:44 | <Goatbert> | I think I'm losing my mind. |
| 17:44 | <Goatbert> | its testing me, trying to break me. |
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| 17:45 | <hawk> | Goatbert: Uhm, care to elaborate on that? Why would _linode_ ask for a passphrase for a key at all? |
| 17:46 | <caker> | Password: |
| 17:46 | -!- | mode/#linode [+o caker] by ChanServ |
| 17:46 | <@akerl> | iluvcake |
| 17:46 | <Goatbert> | using linode as a description of one of my linodes, not Linode the company :) |
| 17:46 | <rnowak> | ******* |
| 17:46 | <@akerl> | Goatbert: It's asking you for a passphrase when you ssh? |
| 17:46 | <Goatbert> | yeah it is very strange |
| 17:46 | <rnowak> | Goatbert: the server doesn't ask for passphrases, your local client does |
| 17:46 | <@caker> | heh |
| 17:46 | <@akerl> | Run the ssh command with -vvv and pastebin it? |
| 17:46 | <Goatbert> | right but the same key to another box |
| 17:46 | <Goatbert> | doesn't ask for it |
| 17:46 | <Kingsy> | swaj: for when you get back.. sorry about that and nevermnd, I had a problem with roundcube but it was because the configuration files were reset when we loaded fpm.. I fixed it |
| 17:46 | <Goatbert> | this is why I think I might be going insane. |
| 17:46 | <@caker> | one |
| 17:46 | <@caker> | time |
| 17:47 | <@caker> | at |
| 17:47 | <@caker> | band |
| 17:47 | <@caker> | camp |
| 17:47 | <rnowak> | cool |
| 17:47 | <rnowak> | story |
| 17:47 | <@akerl> | /ignore cakeboss |
| 17:47 | <@akerl> | :) |
| 17:47 | <hawk> | Goatbert: Are you sure the password prompt is regarding the key at all? Or did it give up on key based auth and fall back to password auth? |
| 17:47 | <@akerl> | Hence my request for ssh -vvv. Lets see exactly what's going on |
| 17:47 | <Goatbert> | yup, checking it now |
| 17:47 | <rnowak> | you may want to manually supply which key you want to use too |
| 17:48 | <Goatbert> | Enter passphrase for key '/home/goatbert/.ssh/id_rsa.pub': |
| 17:48 | <Goatbert> | fwiw |
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| 17:48 | <Goatbert> | excellent I think I know what it is |
| 17:49 | <Goatbert> | debug3: sign_and_send_pubkey |
| 17:49 | <Goatbert> | debug1: PEM_read_PrivateKey failed |
| 17:49 | <Goatbert> | debug1: read PEM private key done: type <unknown> |
| 17:49 | <Goatbert> | sorry |
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| 17:49 | <Goatbert> | meant to pastebin that |
| 17:49 | <Goatbert> | augh |
| 17:51 | <hawk> | Goatbert: Why does it try to use the ".pub" one? |
| 17:51 | <Goatbert> | yeah I just saw that myself |
| 17:51 | <linbot> | New news from forums: internet black out in /dev/random <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=8325>; |
| 17:51 | <hawk> | Goatbert: Have you put something weird in the config or are you specifying something weird on the command line? |
| 17:51 | <Goatbert> | hawk: inherited the config so I'm checking now |
| 17:52 | <Goatbert> | victory |
| 17:52 | <Goatbert> | thanks! |
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| 17:53 | <zenteaboy> | I just made the fix described here to on of my linodes.. do I need to reset the network interface in order for the new TCP window sizes to be in effect? |
| 17:53 | <zenteaboy> | http://scie.nti.st/2008/3/14/amazon-s3-and-connection-reset-by-peer |
| 17:54 | <Kyh> | zenteaboy: don't think so |
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| 17:56 | <hawk> | zenteaboy: Hrm, you really have something in the network path that can't handle large window sizes? |
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| 17:58 | <zenteaboy> | most of the files I'm migrating to S3 are under 1MB in size, but for some reason, after uploading some random amount of files, it gives the connection reseted by peer |
| 17:58 | <zenteaboy> | that's the only explanation i've able to find so far |
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| 18:00 | <bob2> | are you blocking icmp |
| 18:00 | <zenteaboy> | bob2: how do I know if I'm blocking icmp? |
| 18:01 | <hawk> | Do you have any iptables rules at all? |
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| 18:02 | <@akerl> | zenteaboy: Pastebin your `iptables -L -nv`? |
| 18:03 | <bob2> | actually, i'm probably wasting your time, i can't think how it could matter |
| 18:03 | <zenteaboy> | http://www.pastie.org/private/jyvgvx1ldtersnqj7j7a |
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| 18:04 | <TomAdam> | hi |
| 18:04 | <TomAdam> | i'm having a bit of trouble connecting to my linode from another server |
| 18:04 | <Kyh> | TomAdam: define "trouble connecting" |
| 18:05 | <TomAdam> | timeouts |
| 18:05 | <Kyh> | for what? |
| 18:05 | <TomAdam> | however i can ping |
| 18:05 | <TomAdam> | ssh |
| 18:05 | <TomAdam> | and anything else that is not a ping |
| 18:05 | <TomAdam> | i have mtr'd it |
| 18:05 | <TomAdam> | from both sides |
| 18:05 | <Kyh> | right, so your ssh server is down? |
| 18:05 | <TomAdam> | no |
| 18:05 | <TomAdam> | it works fine from my home |
| 18:05 | <TomAdam> | its just one server to another |
| 18:06 | <TomAdam> | linode to non-linode |
| 18:06 | <TomAdam> | and visevera |
| 18:06 | <swaj> | !enter |
| 18:06 | <linbot> | IRC supports complete sentences. Less <CR> more content, please. |
| 18:06 | <Bartzy> | oh |
| 18:07 | <Bartzy> | my |
| 18:07 | <Bartzy> | god |
| 18:07 | <@akerl> | TomAdam: So you have access to two different servers, but are having issues connecting between them? |
| 18:07 | <Bartzy> | It's true! |
| 18:07 | <Kyh> | hmm, so you can get to your webserver from your non-linode but not to ssh via the same non-linode? |
| 18:07 | <TomAdam> | mtr shows 50% packet loss in the middle of the chain. thing is i fdont really know who to tell about it |
| 18:07 | <Kyh> | pastie the mtr? |
| 18:07 | <TomAdam> | yeah tahts it aker1 |
| 18:07 | <@akerl> | TomAdam: Pastebin the MTR pair for that connection? |
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| 18:07 | <TomAdam> | on the way |
| 18:08 | <hawk> | TomAdam: If ping works, maybe mtr isn't the best tool for the job. Did you run tcptraceroute or something lik that? |
| 18:08 | <TomAdam> | i did yesterday |
| 18:09 | <TomAdam> | http://pastie.org/private/3d7ecezlz77lhvhzcso3fa |
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| 18:10 | <@akerl> | TomAdam: That loss in the middle looks like ICMP rate limiting. It's not carried through to end loss, so it's unlikely to be the issue |
| 18:10 | <TomAdam> | ah ok |
| 18:10 | <hawk> | TomAdam: What did the tcptraceroute look like? |
| 18:10 | <TomAdam> | i'll make up a pastie |
| 18:12 | <TomAdam> | http://pastie.org/private/bznu7upmot2i7unkk3gtw |
| 18:13 | <hawk> | That looked ok, didn't it? And that was a tcptraceroute on a port that you can't connect to? |
| 18:13 | <Kyh> | TomAdam: no firewall? |
| 18:13 | <TomAdam> | firewalls on both machines |
| 18:13 | <TomAdam> | oh dear |
| 18:13 | <TomAdam> | think i may have been a little stupid here. i'm not the only admin of this machine |
| 18:14 | <TomAdam> | the other admin told me that he had moved the ssh port but kept outgoing to 22 open |
| 18:14 | <TomAdam> | perhaps he didnt |
| 18:14 | <Kyh> | ... |
| 18:14 | <Kyh> | fail |
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| 18:16 | <zenteaboy> | akerl: in case you missed it http://www.pastie.org/private/jyvgvx1ldtersnqj7j7a |
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| 18:16 | <@akerl> | zenteaboy: Yea, nothing there that would affect things |
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| 18:17 | <TomAdam> | hmm, i'm not so sure about this - just tried tcptraceroute on 22 |
| 18:17 | <TomAdam> | http://pastie.org/private/xw1dpehncg5biyrqgry0q |
| 18:17 | <TomAdam> | very different story |
| 18:18 | <TomAdam> | sorry that was just bigger packets |
| 18:18 | <TomAdam> | i'm really hamming this up |
| 18:18 | <TomAdam> | and using <cr> too much - sorry |
| 18:18 | <@akerl> | TomAdam: Are you having intermittent connection issues, or can't connect at all? |
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| 18:19 | <TomAdam> | no connection at all |
| 18:19 | <Kyh> | sounds vaughly firewalley then |
| 18:19 | <swaj> | vaguely? |
| 18:20 | <@akerl> | TomAdam: Pastebin `iptables -L -nv` from both sides? |
| 18:20 | <TomAdam> | i'm having trouble operating tcptraceroute. is it tcptraceroute host port? |
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| 18:21 | <hawk> | TomAdam: tcptraceroute -p <port> <host> iirc |
| 18:21 | <TomAdam> | akerl: i'm using shorewall on my server. its definetly fine. the other server uses csf. both will have massive iptables listings |
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| 18:21 | <@akerl> | TomAdam: The issue you're describing shouts "firewall issue", so you'll need to examine both sides |
| 18:22 | <TomAdam> | yeah |
| 18:22 | <TomAdam> | looks like its the firewall on the server with csf |
| 18:22 | <TomAdam> | tcptraceroute is timing out instantly |
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| 18:25 | <TomAdam> | thanks - i was going down totally the wrong route there |
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| 18:29 | <TomAdam> | yeah thats it fixed, man i feel like an idiot |
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| 19:11 | <@caker> | OBJECTS IN MIRROR ARE LOSING |
| 19:12 | * | encode breaks the mirror. Now lets see them win |
| 19:17 | <LiquidAtom> | I really can't get my head around EXT2/3 data block pointers. |
| 19:17 | <LiquidAtom> | My tutor is crap at examples. |
| 19:17 | <encode> | i find it relatively easy, thanks to the small size of flash drive these days |
| 19:18 | <encode> | in fact, I can even get my digestive system around a whole bunch of EXT2/3 data block pointers |
| 19:18 | <bob2> | hahaha |
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| 19:57 | <karstensrage> | if i generate a cert and private key for someone, whats a secure'ish way of transferring the password for the key, some asynchronous way like voice over telephone? |
| 19:58 | <Kyh> | karstensrage: pgp? |
| 19:58 | <bob2> | why is it encrypted |
| 19:58 | <karstensrage> | the private key for a cert? |
| 19:58 | <@akerl> | karstensrage: How are you transferring the private key to them? |
| 19:58 | <karstensrage> | email i guess |
| 19:58 | <@akerl> | ... |
| 19:59 | <bob2> | what |
| 19:59 | <@mikegrb> | lulz |
| 19:59 | <Kyh> | lol |
| 20:04 | <karstensrage> | im glad i could be so entertaining |
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| 20:05 | <@akerl> | karstensrage: email isn't really a secure method to transport a private key |
| 20:05 | <karstensrage> | this i know |
| 20:06 | <bob2> | scp it |
| 20:06 | <@akerl> | Or have them generate it on their end |
| 20:08 | <@akerl> | The main point being that when you're using an insecure medium to transport the private key, it's wasted effort to lock down your medium for sending the passphrase |
| 20:09 | <Nivex> | Isn't that the whole point of CSRs? |
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| 20:40 | <tuxetuxe> | Hi! Aybody from linnode here? |
| 20:40 | <tuxetuxe> | ups |
| 20:40 | <tuxetuxe> | linode ! :D |
| 20:40 | <Kyh> | !ops |
| 20:40 | <linbot> | Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community. Official Linode contact information: http://www.linode.com/about/ |
| 20:41 | <linbot> | hello! always -- what is your question? |
| 20:41 | <tuxetuxe> | Oh... nice! |
| 20:41 | <Kyh> | !ask |
| 20:41 | <linbot> | If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient! |
| 20:41 | * | Kyh slaps linbot |
| 20:41 | * | linbot nibbles on your leg |
| 20:41 | * | linbot slaps Kyh |
| 20:41 | <squircle> | !<3 |
| 20:41 | <linbot> | <3 |
| 20:42 | <tuxetuxe> | I'm triying to resize my linode.. but it keeps saying "Charging the credit card failed." ... I've changed the credit card just now.. is this the reason ? |
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| 20:42 | <Kyh> | tuxetuxe: is the CC number you've got setup right now valid/under it's limit etc? |
| 20:43 | <@caker> | tuxetuxe: all we're told is that it was declined - we're not told why. You'd need to contact your bank |
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| 20:45 | <tuxetuxe> | One mor question if the linode is reized to a more expensive plan the pro-rated difference is billed and if resized to an less expensive plan the pro-rated difference is credited in the card, right? |
| 20:45 | <@caker> | not the card, your account -- to be used for future invoices |
| 20:46 | <tuxetuxe> | And can it be credited in the card? |
| 20:47 | <@caker> | we can do that if you want, but we charge $5 for the hassle |
| 20:47 | <tuxetuxe> | ok thanks |
| 20:47 | <HedgeMage> | caker: If I'm owed a large credit can I just kidnap linodians to add to my harem in lieu of cash? |
| 20:47 | * | HedgeMage ducks |
| 20:48 | <Kyh> | HedgeMage: who would you want ot kidnap tho? |
| 20:48 | <Kyh> | Perhelion? |
| 20:49 | <HedgeMage> | Kyh: hmmm... I think I'll need photos and more extensive profiles in order to decide for sure. |
| 20:49 | <HedgeMage> | Kyh: though IIRC, Perhelion is female, and thus not likely to be my first choice. |
| 20:49 | <Kyh> | Oh, I see |
| 20:49 | <Solver> | HedgeMage: put out tenders |
| 20:49 | <Solver> | :) |
| 20:50 | <Solver> | if you provide Internet access you should get a decent response |
| 20:50 | <HedgeMage> | heh |
| 20:51 | <Nivex> | caker is worth the most. He runs this shit (http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lb9wvvMDlm1qbuviho1_500.jpg) and he can fly planes. |
| 20:51 | <Kyh> | hehe |
| 20:51 | <Solver> | Nivex: is that caker? woah |
| 20:51 | <Nivex> | no, I was just going for the "I run this shit" |
| 20:51 | <Solver> | Nivex: yeah I got it ;) |
| 20:52 | <Nivex> | though caker in that pose in the Newark datacenter would make for a fine meme |
| 20:52 | <linbot> | New news from forums: Disabling external IP Address in Linode Manager in Feature Request/Bug Report <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=8320>; |
| 20:52 | <Solver> | I'd like to imagine that caker looks just like that |
| 20:52 | * | caker wields the Wand of Infinite Recursion |
| 20:52 | * | caker leaves south |
| 20:53 | <Solver> | haha - I tried to add [[recursion]] to "See Also" on the wikiupedia recursion page but it didn't fly |
| 20:53 | * | caker do arrives from the south |
| 20:53 | <@caker> | me fail |
| 20:53 | <@caker> | time for a drink! |
| 20:53 | <Solver> | rotfl |
| 20:54 | <Solver> | a drink to improve your accuracy? got it |
| 20:54 | <Nivex> | "When legal isn't happy, I have to drink more." |
| 20:54 | <Nivex> | actually uttered by our director of networking today |
| 20:54 | <HedgeMage> | Ow! Don't make me laugh, I hurt all over. |
| 20:54 | <Solver> | scary :) |
| 20:55 | * | fo0bar gets back to his hotel room |
| 20:55 | <fo0bar> | I know now why canonical calls their travel meetings "sprints" |
| 20:55 | <@mikegrb> | lulz |
| 20:55 | <HedgeMage> | lol |
| 20:55 | <Solver> | fo0bar: tired? |
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| 20:56 | <Solver> | fo0bar: do you know Jiko? |
| 20:56 | <HedgeMage> | fo0bar: You get no sympathy. I spent all evening at a seminar that Sensei failed to warn me was full of people 9 and more ranks my senior. |
| 20:56 | <HedgeMage> | fo0bar: I've done some pretty intense sprints, but none where actual fights ensued (even for sparring) |
| 20:57 | <fo0bar> | Solver: my first day was monday (sunday, technically) and yes, it has been a whirlwind of activity |
| 20:57 | <fo0bar> | Solver: doesn't sound familiar |
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| 20:58 | <Solver> | fo0bar: I'm sure you'll meet him sometime :) |
| 20:58 | <fo0bar> | Solver: dev? |
| 20:58 | * | fo0bar is on the ops side |
| 20:59 | <fo0bar> | not to say I won't eventually meet someone from dev, just saying |
| 20:59 | <fo0bar> | and I don't see that nick in the company directory |
| 20:59 | <Solver> | he may use something else internally |
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| 20:59 | <fo0bar> | very well could be |
| 21:00 | <Solver> | I understand there are internal irc servers |
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| 21:01 | <Solver> | I've considered applying to Canonical., Working from home again would be attractive |
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| 21:02 | <fo0bar> | there is an open sysadmin position, but is london office |
| 21:02 | <Solver> | My daughter was quite upset when we told her at 4years that Daddy was getting a new job and would actually be going out to the office to work :) |
| 21:02 | * | fo0bar grabbed the last WFH sysadmin position |
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| 21:03 | <Solver> | I mostly go for contracts these days |
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| 21:03 | <Solver> | but WFH is always an allure :) |
| 21:04 | <fo0bar> | yeah, it's been nice (my previous job was also WFH) |
| 21:04 | <Solver> | excellent |
| 21:04 | <Solver> | the commute down the stairs is soo hard |
| 21:04 | <fo0bar> | anyway, I came to this window for a reason, but can't remember why. I'm going to go collapse on the couch |
| 21:05 | <Solver> | hahah |
| 21:05 | * | Solver lunches |
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| 21:37 | <licorna> | Hi, I have a problem. I just created an account, but I think I write a wrong password |
| 21:37 | <licorna> | because I'm not able to log in |
| 21:38 | <Kyh> | use the forgotten password link? |
| 21:38 | <Kyh> | and it will email you a link to reset it, etc |
| 21:38 | <licorna> | Ohh..! I got the email now |
| 21:38 | <licorna> | I was in a hurry right now |
| 21:38 | <licorna> | but it's working |
| 21:38 | <licorna> | thanks |
| 21:38 | <Kyh> | great :) |
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| 22:03 | <rlankfo> | problem at fremont? |
| 22:04 | <@caker> | nope - what's up? |
| 22:05 | <rlankfo> | hmm, linode seems down |
| 22:05 | <@caker> | check lish/console? |
| 22:05 | <@mikegrb> | lulz |
| 22:05 | <Kyh> | lol fremont |
| 22:05 | <Kyh> | rlankfo: what does lish say? also define "down"? |
| 22:06 | <bob2> | fremont is a perfectly cromulant dcs, assuming you remember to send caker a box of AAs once a month |
| 22:06 | <rlankfo> | apache is down, can't ssh in, to any linodes i have in fremont, and of course the only ip have approved right now for hte dashboard is one of the linodes |
| 22:06 | <Kyh> | rlankfo: ping/mtr? |
| 22:06 | <Kyh> | rlankfo: well that was pretty dumb wasn't it? |
| 22:07 | <rlankfo> | Kyh: yep, like a boss |
| 22:07 | <rlankfo> | seems like its only the nodes utilizing nis :/ |
| 22:08 | <mbreslin> | rlankfo: how about an ip of one of your nodes? |
| 22:08 | <Kyh> | I can get to fremont1.linode.com |
| 22:10 | <rlankfo> | yeah |
| 22:10 | <rlankfo> | no idea what email i have on file with linode either since i haven't received the ip verification email yet |
| 22:10 | <rlankfo> | also, responding to ping requests fine :\ ssh, apache2, etc seem down |
| 22:11 | <rlankfo> | are down |
| 22:11 | <mbreslin> | iptables fail? |
| 22:11 | <rlankfo> | that wouldn't really make sense but i guess its possible |
| 22:12 | <mbreslin> | it's hard to help without an ip |
| 22:12 | <mbreslin> | ;/ |
| 22:12 | <rlankfo> | yeah 74.207.245.153 |
| 22:13 | <rlankfo> | definitely need to figure out what email address i have on file |
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| 22:14 | <@caker> | rlankfo: kernel panic - you need to switch to Latest 3.0 and reboot |
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| 22:14 | <rlankfo> | caker: on two nodes? |
| 22:14 | <@caker> | I only looked at one |
| 22:14 | <rlankfo> | 173.255.212.132 |
| 22:15 | <rlankfo> | 2/3 in fremont are having problems, the 2/3 out of three using nis.. not sure if that has anything to do with it? all of them are probably ubuntu 9.10 or so |
| 22:15 | <@caker> | 173.255.212.132 is OOM killer |
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| 22:15 | <rlankfo> | whtas your opinion on disabling OOM killer? |
| 22:16 | <@caker> | you can't. you tune your apps to not OOM |
| 22:16 | <@caker> | !web title http://173.255.212.132/ |
| 22:16 | <rlankfo> | ok |
| 22:16 | <linbot> | caker: Login |
| 22:16 | <rlankfo> | possibly some sort of attack? |
| 22:17 | <Nivex> | well, technically you can alter the overcommit behavior to get around OOM killer invocation, but things get even more cranky |
| 22:17 | <@caker> | doesn't really matter ... you shouldn't have your config untuned enough so it will OOM under any circumstance |
| 22:17 | <bob2> | tl;dr if you're using mod_php you need to turn down serverlimit/maxclients/etc |
| 22:17 | <@caker> | keepalives off |
| 22:18 | <rlankfo> | hm ok haven't had any problems with both of these linodes, since 2010 probably |
| 22:18 | <rlankfo> | one is running mod_perl but there should literally be no traffic to it since i'm the only one that accesses it |
| 22:19 | <rlankfo> | i go to the store for a moment, come back, and both are fubar'd |
| 22:19 | <rlankfo> | anyway, caker what can i do on the first one with kernel panic? can you issue a reboot for me? |
| 22:19 | <praetorian> | 14 |
| 22:19 | <praetorian> | excuse me. |
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| 22:20 | <rlankfo> | caker: its ok just got the security alert email all good now |
| 22:20 | <@caker> | word |
| 22:20 | <mbreslin> | my linodes are whatever bob2 is on i need them rebooted please |
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| 22:21 | <praetorian> | also my chesterton linode |
| 22:21 | <rlankfo> | i think its time to move away from these 2 smaller linodes and migrate to a beefier one |
| 22:21 | <bob2> | :'( |
| 22:21 | <bob2> | rlankfo, to be clear, turning down maxclients and keepalives will most likely prevent the oom |
| 22:21 | <bob2> | (and needs to be done even if you get a bigger node) |
| 22:21 | <rlankfo> | bob2: its just strange its never happened before |
| 22:22 | <@caker> | still doesn't really matter ... if they were untuned in 2010 you've just been lucky :) |
| 22:22 | <rlankfo> | the server that was OOMing.. no one should have been Fing with it at all |
| 22:22 | <rlankfo> | probably should serve request tracker over vpn from now on anyway |
| 22:22 | <@caker> | spider everything! |
| 22:22 | <bob2> | well, you can read your apache logs to find out what happened |
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| 22:23 | <@caker> | to avoid kernel related issues, everyone should switch to Latest 3.x |
| 22:23 | <@caker> | RIGHT NOW |
| 22:23 | <rlankfo> | i'm betting its nis related |
| 22:23 | <dwfreed> | caker: eh? |
| 22:23 | <dwfreed> | I run 3.2.1 |
| 22:23 | <@caker> | showoff. |
| 22:23 | <bob2> | oh noes |
| 22:23 | <bob2> | but what about my uptime and unpatched local kernel root exploits???//// |
| 22:24 | <dwfreed> | caker: all it takes is a rootflags=nobarrier in the kernel command line |
| 22:24 | <rlankfo> | yeah time to redo all the servers :| |
| 22:24 | <@caker> | dwfreed: yup! :> |
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| 22:24 | <rlankfo> | anything in the linode library about optimal tuning for apache, php, mod_perl, etc ? |
| 22:24 | <mbreslin> | dwfreed: isn't barriers like the main feature of 3.2 |
| 22:25 | <@akerl> | !library memory |
| 22:25 | <linbot> | akerl: 1. Troubleshooting Memory and Networking Issues - http://library.linode.com/troubleshooting/memory-networking | 2. Use vmstat to Monitor System Performance - http://library.linode.com/linux-tools/common-commands/vmstat | 3. Provide Authoritative DNS Services with NSD on Fedora 13 - http://library.linode.com/dns-guides/nsd-authoritative-dns-fedora-13 |
| 22:25 | <@akerl> | rlankfo: #1 above give some basic pointers for apache/php |
| 22:27 | <rlankfo> | kernel: apache2: page allocation failure. order:4, mode:0x20 |
| 22:27 | <rlankfo> | thats when it all went haywire.. |
| 22:27 | <bob2> | == oom == maxclients is too high |
| 22:27 | <mbreslin> | rlankfo: people came to your site in droves due to everything else being blacked out |
| 22:28 | <praetorian> | maybe you got slash^Wredd^Wfireballed. |
| 22:28 | <mbreslin> | it was either visit his site or get work done :x |
| 22:29 | <rlankfo> | hmm why would i not have a /var/log/messages all of a sudden? |
| 22:29 | <@caker> | heh |
| 22:29 | <rlankfo> | :P |
| 22:29 | <@caker> | disk full? |
| 22:29 | <rlankfo> | hackers |
| 22:29 | <rlankfo> | hacking the gibsons |
| 22:30 | <rlankfo> | wtmp has been wiped |
| 22:31 | <nehalem> | Hello everyone. Can someone confirm if the nodebalancer system works just like a reverse proxy. ie which IP address would the backend Linodes see? |
| 22:31 | <mbreslin> | if you really think you were hacked sounds like a great time to salvage what you can (and do an audit on it later) and start fresh with a new kernel |
| 22:32 | <bob2> | nehalem, yes |
| 22:32 | <rlankfo> | mbreslin: yeah i think so |
| 22:32 | <rlankfo> | people are out to get me, and they have hired people (fact) |
| 22:32 | <bob2> | ie for http you get x-forwarded-for, for tcp you get jack |
| 22:32 | <nehalem> | Thanks bob2! |
| 22:33 | <SirSquidness> | Crap, rlankfo knows about my peons. Time for plan delta. |
| 22:33 | <mbreslin> | plan delta = water baloons |
| 22:34 | <bob2> | nehalem, ps if you cname'd you may get an ipv6 address in x-forwarded-for |
| 22:34 | <@mikegrb> | lulz |
| 22:34 | <rlankfo> | lol its seriously that petty man |
| 22:34 | <SirSquidness> | sssssh, mbreslin. Plans are meant to be secret! |
| 22:34 | <rlankfo> | a company i used to work for hired a "private i", i'm not even joking |
| 22:35 | <rlankfo> | another guy was recently fired from said company for being "in league" with me, never even talk to the guy, these guys are just paranoid beyond measure |
| 22:35 | <rlankfo> | they had server problems in september, i heard about it because they instantly decided i had something to do with it |
| 22:36 | <rlankfo> | its turning into harassment at this point |
| 22:36 | <nehalem> | bob2, thanks for the info, I get it :-) |
| 22:39 | <Katana> | people who screw with cable configurations on equipment when "it isn't working" and they don't know what the heck they're doing in the first place should be beaten |
| 22:40 | <rlankfo> | yep pretty sure there is some illegal activity going on here though |
| 22:40 | <rlankfo> | think i'm going to hire a 3rd party security company to do the audit |
| 22:40 | <rlankfo> | for now i'm just going to migrate everything |
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| 22:42 | * | Katana gets into work, gets asked to look at something by one of the instructors in one of the computer labs, finds a machine with the S-VIDEO cable unplugged and an RCA audio cable plugged into an RCA video jack |
| 22:43 | <dwfreed> | heh |
| 22:43 | * | Katana has urge to find the idiot who did this and beat them with their own spleen |
| 22:43 | <bob2> | this is why electrically incompatible ports should be physically incompatbie too |
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| 22:46 | <@Praefectus> | Katana: it was me, sorry.. unfortunately, i have no spleen for you to beat me with |
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| 22:47 | <Katana> | Praefectus: your liver will do then |
| 22:47 | * | Katana proceeds to beat Praefectus with his own liver |
| 22:47 | <@Praefectus> | you mean what's left of it? |
| 22:47 | <Katana> | indeed |
| 22:48 | <Katana> | anyways |
| 22:48 | <Katana> | you'd think that people would understand color coding |
| 22:48 | <alarez> | Hi, I'm new to linode and ignore how this works... |
| 22:48 | <Katana> | LIKE WITH LIKE. RED WITH RED, WHITE WITH WHITE, YELLOW WITH YELLOW. |
| 22:48 | <Katana> | but nooooooooo |
| 22:49 | <linbot> | alarez: hello |
| 22:49 | * | Katana goes to vent irritation with violent video games |
| 22:49 | <alarez> | Hello linbot |
| 22:49 | <Kyh> | alarez: ignore how this works? |
| 22:49 | <linbot> | :) |
| 22:49 | <Katana> | that linbot is a spy |
| 22:50 | <Kyh> | linbot is a spy! |
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| 22:51 | <alarez> | Is this a Community chat where I can ask for help? |
| 22:51 | <bob2> | sure |
| 22:51 | <Kyh> | !ask |
| 22:51 | <linbot> | If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient! |
| 22:52 | <alarez> | Thanks... I'm having problems with my linode... Everything was running great for 2 weeks and today the site was down and my domain was pointing to a citadel application |
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| 22:53 | <bob2> | did you install citade |
| 22:53 | <bob2> | l |
| 22:53 | <alarez> | no I never did |
| 22:53 | <Kyh> | alarez: what kind of problems? how is it down? can you connect to it via ssh? what does LISH say? |
| 22:53 | <bob2> | did you forget to pay your bill |
| 22:54 | <Kyh> | haha |
| 22:54 | <alarez> | I can't do SSH or FTP |
| 22:54 | <alarez> | hahah no I haven't |
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| 22:55 | <Kyh> | ... you have ftp? |
| 22:55 | <alarez> | Well... I rebuild the entire Linode and everything was running until 30 minutes ago |
| 22:55 | <Kyh> | alarez: right, so what's the IP/domain name you're using? |
| 22:55 | <alarez> | http://lizethcastro.tv/ |
| 22:56 | <@Praefectus> | alarez: look at your ticket |
| 22:56 | <alarez> | ok I will |
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| 22:59 | <mbreslin> | thoughts on creating virtualbox development enviornments for people stuck on windows |
| 23:00 | <mbreslin> | vs a dev specific linode |
| 23:00 | <alarez> | It Looks that I'm having memory problems... The but news Is that I ignore how to control this. |
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| 23:00 | <Kyh> | alarez: ... if you ignore it, it'll keep happening |
| 23:01 | <alarez> | I'm just running an Small Drupal Site. Can It be some hacking problem? |
| 23:01 | <Kyh> | er, not if you're just OOMing |
| 23:01 | <Kyh> | you need to tweak your (I assume) apache config/etc |
| 23:03 | <auraka> | okay......today was a long day |
| 23:03 | <@Praefectus> | lies |
| 23:03 | <@Praefectus> | it was the same length as yesterday |
| 23:03 | <alarez> | what do you mean be tweak? |
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| 23:05 | <Kyh> | alarez: make it so your website doesn't use up all your RAM |
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| 23:05 | <Solver> | use ALL the ram! |
| 23:05 | <Solver> | :) |
| 23:05 | <alarez> | My php.in is using 128mb |
| 23:06 | <Kyh> | Whats your maxClients in your apache config? |
| 23:06 | <alarez> | 256mb |
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| 23:08 | <auraka> | Praefectus: you lost some cool points |
| 23:08 | <@Praefectus> | auraka: im over 30, it is no longer my job to be "cool" |
| 23:09 | <Kyh> | alarez: eh? |
| 23:09 | <Kyh> | alarez: see http://library.linode.com/troubleshooting/memory-networking |
| 23:10 | <alarez> | Ok I will... Thanks |
| 23:11 | <praetorian> | Praefectus: you have gained some old points |
| 23:11 | <@mikegrb> | lulz |
| 23:11 | <@Praefectus> | praetorian: i'll gain some more in march lol |
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| 23:20 | <praetorian> | Praefectus: gain all the things. |
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| 23:27 | <nehalem> | Is there any preferred OS for HA/high traffic website setups? |
| 23:28 | <praetorian> | windows of course. |
| 23:28 | <@mikegrb> | lulz |
| 23:28 | <nehalem> | lol |
| 23:28 | <praetorian> | most people here will say either Centos/RHEL or Debian |
| 23:28 | <praetorian> | the odd fruitcake will say slackware. :p |
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| 23:29 | <pharaun> | insane people will say arch or gentoo |
| 23:29 | <Kyh> | gentoo! |
| 23:29 | <praetorian> | and the criminally condemned will say ubuntu. |
| 23:29 | <pharaun> | fedora? |
| 23:30 | <praetorian> | did you hear something? |
| 23:30 | * | pharaun puts on his fedora |
| 23:30 | <nehalem> | Well CentOS/Debian would make sense since it is highly supported/rock solid |
| 23:30 | <auraka> | nehalem: yes....the properly configured one.....with a nodebalancer in front all for you low low price of $20/month for as long as you use it |
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| 23:31 | <auraka> | supplies are limited....order now |
| 23:31 | <praetorian> | !avail-all |
| 23:31 | <bob2> | centos is terribly supported |
| 23:31 | <praetorian> | quite limited |
| 23:31 | <linbot> | praetorian: Atlanta: 512-693 768-161 1024-33 1536-57 2048-43; Dallas: 512-433 768-84 1024-111 1536-86 2048-65; Fremont: 512-602 768-154 1024-67 1536-196 2048-147; London: 512-417 768-126 1024-51 1536-208 2048-156; Newark: 512-572 768-96 1024-73 1536-107 2048-80; Tokyo: 512-406 768-173 1024-109 1536-94 2048-71; (0.64261) mwallings mom sez hai |
| 23:31 | <auraka> | bob2: compared to? |
| 23:31 | <bob2> | auraka, anything |
| 23:31 | <bob2> | debian, ubuntu, probably even gentoo |
| 23:31 | <nehalem> | Any actual empirical data to show why a Ubuntu, for example, would suck in that situation? |
| 23:32 | <auraka> | okay.....by supported you mean....by the the group....not by the applications you may need to run? |
| 23:32 | <bob2> | sure |
| 23:32 | <auraka> | nehalem: other than arch sucking everywhere...no |
| 23:32 | <bob2> | if you have non-free apps to run, you probably want to pay for rhel |
| 23:32 | <@mikegrb> | lulz |
| 23:32 | <nehalem> | auraka: lol |
| 23:32 | <praetorian> | clean up, aisle 2 |
| 23:32 | * | praetorian shotguns auraka |
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| 23:33 | <nehalem> | I ask because I've deployed a few Ubuntu system with success, uptime over 3 months etc. (Only 3 months because of restarts) |
| 23:33 | <auraka> | bob2: most likely....although some of us are/were pretty cheap and those apps weren't critical but "required" rhel |
| 23:34 | <auraka> | nehalem: in all seriousness no linux distro is really going to have uptime problems if you properly configure it |
| 23:35 | <auraka> | what most of us joke about is how hard it is to configure and MAINTAIN each different distro |
| 23:35 | <auraka> | and some distros are better at updating and not breaking installed apps |
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| 23:36 | <mbreslin> | except for arch which refuses to be configured/maintained at all |
| 23:36 | * | auraka high-fives mbreslin |
| 23:36 | <tzury> | hi all |
| 23:37 | <tzury> | multiple domains with SSL on a single server, is SNI just enough or shall I have dedicated IP per domain? |
| 23:37 | <auraka> | if you want something stable stick with a centos, debian stable, ubuntu lts....if you want bleeding edge go fedora, debian testing or ubuntu latest.....and if you want sleep sweats arch/gentoo |
| 23:38 | <auraka> | hope that helps |
| 23:38 | <bob2> | tzury, up to you to decide |
| 23:38 | <bob2> | tzury, old IE-on-windows users are boned by SNI |
| 23:39 | <nehalem> | Yes auraka, thanks. I'll probably stick to Ubuntu 10.04 for now |
| 23:39 | <tzury> | what about mobile devices such as android and blackberry? |
| 23:40 | <auraka> | good choice.....as part of your choice you have free reign to make fun of arch users....feel free to exercise this right at anytime |
| 23:40 | <auraka> | tzury: they support SNI |
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| 23:41 | <bob2> | depends on the version |
| 23:41 | <tzury> | teh black out) wikipedia now, thanks bob2 |
| 23:41 | <nehalem> | SNI depends on if your users support it. Mobile devices usually suck |
| 23:41 | <auraka> | tzury: http://blog.barracuda.com/pmblog/index.php/2011/10/03/support-for-server-name-indication-sni/ |
| 23:42 | <tzury> | auraka+bob2 -- thanks |
| 23:43 | <auraka> | since wikipedia is still blacked out |
| 23:43 | <tzury> | this one show a different picture http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Server_Name_Indication |
| 23:43 | <zivester> | can someone help me debug an ssh "Permission denied (publickey)." im trying to connect from a new client to a server.. im not sure if my client isn't setup right, or if my server isn't setup right... my client has an .ssh/id_rsa.pub file... and my server has an .ssh/authorized_keys file... what am i missing? |
| 23:43 | <bob2> | if only the wikipedia blackout was trivially circumvented |
| 23:43 | <tzury> | run this of curse: $("body").children().toggle() |
| 23:43 | <pharaun> | akerl: depends |
| 23:43 | <bob2> | zivester, on client: ssh-copy-id user@remotehost |
| 23:43 | <bob2> | zivester, done |
| 23:43 | <pharaun> | bb does not support, i pasted a url other night bout it |
| 23:44 | <pharaun> | android prior to ics/honeycomb does not support |
| 23:44 | <pharaun> | iphone does |
| 23:44 | <auraka> | I forget...not everyone has ICS :-/...upgrade people! |
| 23:44 | <praetorian> | could if i could |
| 23:44 | <praetorian> | would |
| 23:45 | <bob2> | auraka, ha ha ha |
| 23:45 | <auraka> | praetorian: you can... |
| 23:45 | * | zivester is an idiot, i wasn't connecting with the right user O_o tx bob |
| 23:45 | <bob2> | you can still buy phones that can't run ICS without hackery at best |
| 23:45 | <auraka> | so...don't buy those...buy ones that do |
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| 23:45 | <@mikegrb> | lulz |
| 23:45 | <bob2> | lol |
| 23:45 | <auraka> | upgrade! |
| 23:45 | <praetorian> | auraka: i dont want to have to root my phone just to do it |
| 23:45 | <bob2> | tl;dr letting carriers or phone handset manufacturers get involved in software == catastrophe |
| 23:45 | * | pharaun roots praetorian |
| 23:45 | <praetorian> | werd |
| 23:45 | <praetorian> | pharaun: oh baby. |
| 23:46 | <praetorian> | pharaun: feel that arch |
| 23:46 | <auraka> | and now you have an std :-/ |
| 23:46 | <bob2> | auraka, how do you deal with the manufacturers who just lie? |
| 23:46 | <bob2> | e.g. galaxy S |
| 23:46 | <auraka> | lie about which part....my galaxy nexus has 4.0...I read up on it...and bought it...problem solved |
| 23:47 | <@mikegrb> | lulz |
| 23:47 | <bob2> | lol |
| 23:47 | <auraka> | oh...you mean carriers like ATT who is calling every phone 4G? |
| 23:47 | <praetorian> | whats an ATT? |
| 23:47 | <praetorian> | :-) |
| 23:47 | <auraka> | tin can and string.....4G! |
| 23:47 | <bob2> | carriers who say/imply they will provide software updates and then don't |
| 23:48 | <praetorian> | do it the apple way. you never know when your phone will be unsupported. |
| 23:48 | <auraka> | oh.......I'm not sure....who is doing that? All of them? Can you pick one that doesn't? |
| 23:48 | <Heron> | pff, apple's pretty consistently stopped caring about phones after 2 years |
| 23:48 | <mbreslin> | auraka: any phone that doesn't start with the word nexus, pretty much |
| 23:48 | <auraka> | praetorian: say what you will but apple's play is much better than androids |
| 23:48 | <bob2> | auraka, this is all pretty complicated for normal people who just want aphone |
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| 23:48 | <mbreslin> | you can't depend on any particular timeframe for an ota update from any carrier |
| 23:48 | <bob2> | that isn't /already abandoned by upstream/ |
| 23:49 | <auraka> | so...people need to educate themselves before they buy |
| 23:49 | <bob2> | ... |
| 23:49 | <bob2> | or, manufactuers and carriers need to be 1000% less fuckwitty |
| 23:49 | <bob2> | and not create a broken market |
| 23:49 | <auraka> | phones are evolving so quickly now kind of like computers back in the day so it isn't much of a suprise the software releases aren't keeping up |
| 23:49 | <bob2> | yes it is |
| 23:49 | <bob2> | it is absolutely unreasonable to be shipping a phone now that can't run ICS |
| 23:50 | <auraka> | also....there is no incentive for handset manufacturers to update your phone...they'll happily sell you a new one |
| 23:50 | <bob2> | and that is a thing that is occurring |
| 23:50 | <auraka> | why is it unreasonable...plenty of people want cheap phones that may not have the best hardware...eg. boost, republicwireless, virgin, etc. |
| 23:51 | <auraka> | these are low margain that may not get the best support....if you don't like it don't buy it....buy a nice shiny iphone for the most part |
| 23:52 | <@mikegrb> | lulz |
| 23:52 | <bob2> | lol |
| 23:52 | <auraka> | if you remember back in the days before iphones many of us had to run winmo phones and upgrading those weren't trivial either |
| 23:53 | <praetorian> | i never had a winmo phone |
| 23:53 | <praetorian> | i valued my user experience. |
| 23:53 | <StevenK> | Neither |
| 23:53 | <bob2> | sure, but only nerd bought them, and they knew how much they'd hate it |
| 23:53 | <pharaun> | never had winmo phone either |
| 23:53 | <auraka> | praetorian: consider yourself lucky |
| 23:53 | <mbreslin> | auraka: the point is there is 1 current generation phone that can be depended on for timely updates |
| 23:53 | <mbreslin> | that's a horrible situation |
| 23:53 | <auraka> | iphone? |
| 23:53 | <mbreslin> | ok fine two. |
| 23:54 | <auraka> | what is the tother...crackberry? |
| 23:54 | <auraka> | other |
| 23:54 | <mbreslin> | the phone you have |
| 23:54 | <bob2> | nexus |
| 23:54 | <auraka> | oh....well we don't know how well windows will do this time around |
| 23:55 | <pharaun> | i used crackberry |
| 23:55 | <pharaun> | it was a dumb phone, sidekick, crackberry, and now iphone |
| 23:55 | <pharaun> | :\ |
| 23:56 | <auraka> | i like my nice 4g speeds |
| 23:56 | <auraka> | http://db.tt/pGqTMXip |
| 23:57 | <bob2> | windowsphoneseries7 is already letting carriers fuck up updates |
| 23:57 | <pharaun> | even crackberry allowed carriers to fuck up updates |
| 23:57 | <mbreslin> | i like the tile look on the phones actually but i'd never consider buying one |
| 23:57 | <pharaun> | i had to hack mine to get a newer os on |
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| 23:58 | <pharaun> | imho carriers == data/voice/text plan that's it |
| 23:58 | <bob2> | yes |
| 23:58 | <bob2> | a++ |
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| 23:59 | <pharaun> | i mean its nice and all that they offer subsized phone, other/etc but |
| 23:59 | <pharaun> | them being able to muck with the software on the phone is a conflict of interest imho |
| 23:59 | <auraka> | pharaun: AHA...but how are they suppose to load up your phone with apps you can't uninstall....Sprint NASCAR FTW! |
| 23:59 | <pharaun> | its in their interest to get you onto a new shinny phone and a new contract |
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