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| 00:03 | <srj55> | i have a linode that won't seem to respond to reboot commands. any suggestions on what to do? |
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| 00:07 | <kyrize> | are there any support on? |
| 00:07 | <kyhwana> | srj55: hmm, file a ticket, i'd say? is it currently up? Can you login to it? What does lish say? |
| 00:08 | <kyrize> | I cancelled my account and specifically asked for a refund. |
| 00:08 | <kyrize> | It falls under the 7 day trial and i would like to ask how long that would take |
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| 00:08 | <kyhwana> | kyrize: WHEN DID YOU DO THIS? |
| 00:08 | <@Perihelion> | kyrize: Refunds are processed manually and can take a few days to show up on your statement |
| 00:08 | <srj55> | kyhwana: lish can't connect. I can login via ssh, but each keystroke takes a few minutes to register in the console |
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| 00:09 | <kyrize> | I did it just now |
| 00:09 | <kyhwana> | srj55: What do the graphs for your linode say? Is it doing lots of IO/cpu? |
| 00:10 | <srj55> | kyhwana: linode isn't updating those graphs...job queue says it's still waiting for a reboot, which i've already done twice. |
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| 00:11 | <kyhwana> | weird, I think you'll have to file a ticket for that then? |
| 00:11 | <rnowak> | swaj: you were the one using rabbitmq too right? Any way to reliably determine lost connection other than sending a noop publish and checking then before sending the real message? nooping before every message doesn't seem very... productive :/ |
| 00:11 | <kyrize> | I sent the email just now along with the username and creditcard |
| 00:11 | <kyrize> | I also filled the cancellation form |
| 00:11 | <kyrize> | and specifically asked for a refund |
| 00:12 | <rnowak> | swaj: I shut down rabbitmq after opening a connection with Pika, and it never ever detects it going down, only after a publish :/ |
| 00:12 | <@Perihelion> | kyrize: Did you see what I said? |
| 00:12 | <kyrize> | Which part |
| 00:12 | <@Perihelion> | 00:08 @Perihelion kyrize: Refunds are processed manually and can take a few days to show up on your statement |
| 00:12 | <kyhwana> | omg, Perihelion is back, yaay |
| 00:13 | <kyrize> | How long until it gets processed |
| 00:13 | <rnowak> | ;| |
| 00:13 | <kyhwana> | 18:12 <@Perihelion> 00:08 @Perihelion kyrize: Refunds are processed manually and can take a few days to show up on your statement |
| 00:13 | <kyrize> | roughly so i know when I should be getting it |
| 00:13 | <rnowak> | within a few days |
| 00:13 | <@Praefectus> | 3-5 business days |
| 00:13 | <kyrize> | kk thanks |
| 00:13 | <@Perihelion> | The refund is processed on our end on the same day |
| 00:13 | <@Perihelion> | When it appears on your statement is up to your bank |
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| 00:14 | <Flush> | i was wondering if anyone could help me out with name-based virtual hosting on apache |
| 00:14 | <Flush> | or point me to some more in-depth documentation |
| 00:14 | <rnowak> | the apache documentation |
| 00:15 | <Flush> | yeah i've looked at it, it's very brief |
| 00:15 | <rnowak> | you won't find better |
| 00:15 | <Flush> | yeah i figured as much |
| 00:15 | <rnowak> | so, in other words, ask what you wonder and perhaps someone can give you a hand |
| 00:16 | <Flush> | my problem is that when i'm clicking on links within my site, other than the home page, i get SERVERIP/pagename.php rather than domainname.com/pagename.php |
| 00:16 | <rnowak> | how does the href look in your links |
| 00:17 | <kyhwana> | are you using your domain name in hrefs? |
| 00:17 | <rnowak> | quite likely this isn't a vhost issue, but your application may be writing out the IP in the links |
| 00:17 | <rnowak> | unless of course you do some odd redirects |
| 00:18 | <Flush> | it's a wordpress install in all cases, so they are relative links |
| 00:18 | <@Praefectus> | Flush: pastebin one of your vhosts |
| 00:18 | <rnowak> | s/redirects/rewrites/ |
| 00:18 | <@Praefectus> | !pb |
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| 00:18 | <linbot> | http://p.linode.com <-- paste here, not in the channel |
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| 00:18 | <Flush> | so perhaps wordpress is writing the IP rather than the domain name? that sounds plausible to me |
| 00:18 | <Flush> | didn't think of that ... |
| 00:18 | <rnowak> | eh just look at the links |
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| 00:19 | <rnowak> | if they are relative, then you're doing some odd rewrites in apache, or redirects in wordpress |
| 00:20 | <rnowak> | check your meta tags as well, see what baseurl they define |
| 00:20 | <Flush> | yeah wordpress is the problem |
| 00:20 | <Flush> | facepalm ... |
| 00:20 | <Flush> | meta tags say the base URL is the IP |
| 00:20 | <Flush> | thanks guys |
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| 00:24 | <poutine> | I am a current linode customer, I think I've been one over a year now, I want to get another linode for a year up front, and I'm wondering if I can get a promo code that beats the 10% off, which is pretty much 1 free month. Would any admin be able to reward such customer loyalty? |
| 00:24 | <kyhwana> | poutine: if you want to pay for a year, you can file a ticket. 10% off is standard for paying a years worth |
| 00:24 | <kyhwana> | but there's no "promo code" |
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| 00:25 | <poutine> | there's a promo code slot |
| 00:25 | <@Praefectus> | promo codes are handed out at events we attend |
| 00:26 | <bd_> | poutine: I believe two-year prepayments are 15% or so |
| 00:26 | <@Praefectus> | 15%, si |
| 00:26 | <poutine> | All I'm saying is that sometimes rewarding customer loyalty is a good thing for business |
| 00:26 | <Peng> | Also, promo codes are only for new signups, no? |
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| 00:27 | <bd_> | poutine: so is enticing new signups with a temporary discount, but if you do both you just cut your prices across the board |
| 00:27 | <@Perihelion> | poutine: PM jed. He won't be able to help you but he'll appreciate the fact that you took the time to say hi |
| 00:27 | <Peng> | poutine: How 'bout referrals? Sucker people into signing up -- err, show them the light regarding Linode's wonderful services -- and you get $20 if they stay. |
| 00:27 | <kyhwana> | Can I get a Perihelion lap dance for being a custom for a few years? |
| 00:27 | <poutine> | jed is inserting a promo code for me in the DB as we speak |
| 00:27 | <@Perihelion> | good on him then |
| 00:28 | <bd_> | poutine: for a negative discount? <.< |
| 00:28 | <Peng> | :O Perihelion's back. I hadn't noticed. |
| 00:28 | <@Perihelion> | kyhwana: No those are reserved for customers who pay 50k+ a month |
| 00:28 | <@Perihelion> | Better get on that |
| 00:28 | <kyhwana> | Hmm |
| 00:28 | <kyhwana> | I need to win lotto |
| 00:28 | <Peng> | Perihelion: What if we got 2500 customers who pay $20 a month? |
| 00:29 | <@Perihelion> | Nein. |
| 00:29 | <kyhwana> | That's a lot of lap dances |
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| 00:29 | <@Perihelion> | We love people who pay $20 a month too but they're gonna have to cough up more than that for perks like that |
| 00:29 | <encode> | $21? |
| 00:29 | <poutine> | I will be |
| 00:30 | <poutine> | that's the point |
| 00:30 | <@Praefectus> | you can get a lapdance from heckman if you pay <$50k/month |
| 00:30 | <kyhwana> | Oohh |
| 00:30 | <encode> | Praefectus: i get lapdances from heckman's mom for free. Why would i want a lapdance from heckman? |
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| 00:31 | <@Perihelion> | encode: You wouldn't. |
| 00:31 | <Peng> | Praefectus: I pay him $20 a month *not* to lapdance. |
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| 00:32 | <encode> | Perihelion: good. Glad we're on the same page |
| 00:33 | <poutine> | jed also confided some other stuff in me, that guy who pooped on the rim of the toilet? that was jed |
| 00:33 | <@Perihelion> | poutine: What was he doing in the women's restroom? |
| 00:33 | <encode> | also, promo codes for being a customer for a year? what about promo codes for being a customer for > 5 years? |
| 00:33 | <encode> | i've been a customer longer than mikegrb has been employed at linode |
| 00:33 | <poutine> | encode, It was a simple trade-off, it never hurts to ask |
| 00:34 | * | encode is happy enough with the free upgrades |
| 00:34 | <@Perihelion> | I'm going to bed kbye |
| 00:34 | <kyhwana> | nini Perihelion |
| 00:34 | <encode> | Perihelion: ok. I'll see you soon then |
| 00:34 | <kyhwana> | Pleasent dreams. ^.^ |
| 00:35 | <@caker> | Windows Please-NT 3.0 |
| 00:35 | <@Perihelion> | encode: Hey buddy you gotta pay like everyone else |
| 00:37 | <encode> | Perihelion: i pay in advance |
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| 00:46 | <tonyyarusso> | I thought I'd seen downtime before, but no, everyone re-assess your standards, because THIS is downtime: "The state park reservation system will be shut down from 8 p.m. Dec. 27 through Feb. 29 while the online site is revamped" |
| 00:46 | <kyhwana> | holy shit |
| 00:47 | <tonyyarusso> | That's what I said... |
| 00:47 | <piney0> | wow |
| 00:48 | <Gabtendo> | this is your siging telegram |
| 00:48 | <Gabtendo> | singing* |
| 00:48 | <Gabtendo> | I hope it finds you well |
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| 00:48 | <Gabtendo> | you're invited to a party |
| 00:48 | <Gabtendo> | cause I think you're really swell |
| 00:48 | <Gabtendo> | gummy turning one year old |
| 00:49 | <Gabtendo> | so come and celebrate |
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| 00:50 | <Gabtendo> | the festivities will be great |
| 00:51 | <Gabtendo> | it won't be the same without you |
| 00:51 | <@Praefectus> | Gabtendo: enough |
| 00:51 | <Gabtendo> | :< |
| 00:52 | <JoeK> | linode-con 2012 |
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| 01:05 | <Gabtendo> | Praefectus: Friendship is Magic |
| 01:05 | * | Gabtendo waves hands around magically |
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| 01:09 | <biznickman> | anybody run into an issue with apt-get and ubuntu? I just booted a new instance and apt-gets are failing |
| 01:09 | <bob2> | a) /topic |
| 01:09 | <bob2> | b) you forgot to 'apt-get update' and/or pastebin the error |
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| 01:10 | <biznickman> | and that fixed it :) |
| 01:11 | <bob2> | oh |
| 01:11 | <bob2> | sorry |
| 01:11 | <bob2> | wrong channel |
| 01:11 | <bob2> | strike (a) |
| 01:11 | <chesty> | !enter |
| 01:11 | <linbot> | IRC supports complete sentences. Less <CR> more content, please. |
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| 01:11 | <bob2> | @chesty shut up |
| 01:11 | <biznickman> | my question was asked in the wrong channel? |
| 01:11 | <bob2> | no |
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| 01:16 | <Obsidian|server> | tonyyarusso: that's not downtime |
| 01:16 | <Obsidian|server> | tonyyarusso: that's hibernation |
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| 01:17 | <tonyyarusso> | Pretty much |
| 01:17 | <Obsidian|server> | server's hibernating through the winter. |
| 01:17 | <Obsidian|server> | "Oh hey the site ran from its bugs! Six more weeks of winter." |
| 01:18 | <EugeneKay> | Laffo |
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| 01:26 | <rnowak> | apostrophe's |
| 01:26 | <rnowak> | ALL OF THEM |
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| 01:27 | <EugeneKay> | *ap'strophe's' |
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| 01:36 | <Chris___> | +1 more time I've mentioned how long London has been on 'Internal Testing' in hopes of it actually pressing someone to do something to get it out faster |
| 01:36 | <Chris___> | Love, me |
| 01:36 | <bob2> | yeah, it's definitely linode being slackers |
| 01:37 | <bob2> | not the dc being liars |
| 01:37 | <Chris___> | sure; but doesn't mean my mentioning it won't press someone at Linode to press someone at the DC harder about it |
| 01:37 | <bob2> | uh-huh |
| 01:38 | <Chris___> | or, cut out the middle man, and just give the people who wants v6 faster the contact information for the people slacking off on making it happen |
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| 01:39 | <Peng> | Chris___: Pissing off the data center doesn't sound like a good business strategy. |
| 01:39 | <EugeneKay> | The DC info is published on the iki |
| 01:39 | <Chris___> | nor is being lazy, Peng :p |
| 01:39 | <Peng> | Also, it's not necessarily the data center holding things up. |
| 01:40 | <EugeneKay> | https://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php/Network |
| 01:40 | <Peng> | Chris___: Who says anyone's being lazy? |
| 01:40 | <Peng> | Chris___: And laziness could be a better strategy than pissing-off. |
| 01:40 | <EugeneKay> | Peng - the fact that IPv6 wasn't adopted in 2005 |
| 01:42 | <Peng> | EugeneKay: Touche |
| 01:42 | <EugeneKay> | Keep your filthy french hands offa me |
| 01:42 | <Peng> | EugeneKay: A true American is happy to steal foreign words and pass them off as his own. |
| 01:43 | * | Praefectus is happy to make up words |
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| 01:44 | <SnoFox> | XD! |
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| 01:58 | <@Perihelion> | Chris___: Shh |
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| 01:59 | * | Obsidian|server flings a cactus at Perihelion |
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| 03:21 | <linbot> | New news from forums: French domain soa record for AFNIC in General Discussion <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=8136>; |
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| 03:34 | <linbot> | New news from forums: Sub-domains and Virtualhosts in Web Servers and Web App Development <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=8155>; |
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| 03:38 | <kyhwana> | hmm |
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| 04:02 | <AlexC_> | Morning |
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| 04:03 | <drclaw> | hello |
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| 04:04 | <drclaw> | I have a question .. can I, eventually, transfer an external IP address of 1 VM to another in the same datacenter? |
| 04:05 | <kyhwana> | uh |
| 04:05 | <kyhwana> | What exactly do you mean? |
| 04:05 | <drclaw> | I am rebuilding a machine right now, in another VM |
| 04:05 | <drclaw> | don't want to lose continuity |
| 04:05 | <rnowak> | pretty sure you can already do that via the manager, using ip fallback or whatever they call it |
| 04:06 | <AlexC_> | drclaw: Yes you can |
| 04:07 | <AlexC_> | There is the "Swap IP" button in the manager |
| 04:07 | <drclaw> | trying to find that as we speak |
| 04:07 | <@Praefectus> | remote access tab |
| 04:07 | <drclaw> | yes, found it |
| 04:08 | <drclaw> | this will work out perfectly |
| 04:08 | <drclaw> | thanks people |
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| 04:46 | <kyhwana> | hmm |
| 04:46 | <kyhwana> | bored |
| 04:46 | <kyhwana> | Is fremont still up? |
| 04:53 | <AlexC_> | I think it's scheduled for a power cut soon |
| 04:54 | <chesty> | tokyo is scheduled for 90% packet loss |
| 04:55 | <AlexC_> | om nom nom |
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| 05:14 | <stefan2> | Ok, im loosing my mind. maybe someone can help me with this. For what ever reason I can not ping the second IP I have on my linode. This started after I removed the 3rd one I had from the linode maneger. I rebooted via the manager and now I just can't seem to ping it. I checked /etc/network/interfaces and its just as in the linode library. TCPdump sees the incoming ICMP but no reply. I also flushed IPtables. Any suggestions on what I can try |
| 05:14 | <stefan2> | ? |
| 05:15 | <kyhwana> | hmm |
| 05:15 | <kyhwana> | public IP or private? |
| 05:15 | <stefan2> | public |
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| 05:16 | <stefan2> | if I see it in tcpdump that means that its all set on the linode end? |
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| 05:16 | <kyhwana> | ifconfig shows it still? |
| 05:16 | <stefan2> | yep |
| 05:16 | <kyhwana> | That sounds like something on linodes end, it worked before you removed the 3rd one? |
| 05:16 | <stefan2> | I do this on other linodes the exact same way and it works fine |
| 05:16 | <stefan2> | yes |
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| 05:17 | <stefan2> | I guess I'll open a support ticket |
| 05:17 | <kyhwana> | Can you ping it locally? |
| 05:17 | <stefan2> | yes |
| 05:17 | <kyhwana> | hmm. checked the routing? |
| 05:17 | <stefan2> | it looks ok to me |
| 05:18 | <stefan2> | its the same as on my other linodes which work with multipple ips |
| 05:18 | <stefan2> | although I just notice that the one that works has two defaults which are identical?! |
| 05:19 | <stefan2> | does the order matter in route? |
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| 05:21 | <kyhwana> | hrm, for more than one IP? I dunno, I wouldn't think so? |
| 05:21 | <stefan2> | very wierd |
| 05:21 | <chesty> | do you have a firewall? |
| 05:22 | <stefan2> | I flushed it |
| 05:22 | <stefan2> | iptables |
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| 05:23 | <stefan2> | wtf. I just pinged the gateway and now it works |
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| 05:24 | <chesty> | yw |
| 05:26 | <stefan2> | rebooting again to see what happens |
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| 05:27 | <stefan2> | this is very wierd, it works now. route is the same and everything else as well. |
| 05:28 | <stefan2> | Pinged the gateway from the machine and it started working. |
| 05:28 | <stefan2> | now also works after reboot |
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| 05:40 | <praetorian> | .z 2 |
| 05:40 | <praetorian> | doh |
| 05:45 | * | AlexC_ bakes the channel some festive cookies |
| 05:49 | <Louis> | Thx AlexC_ :D |
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| 05:51 | <Solver> | mmm cookies |
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| 06:15 | <@Praefectus> | is it bedtime yet? |
| 06:26 | <AlexC_> | Praefectus: You can stay up an extra hour |
| 06:30 | <@Praefectus> | i have 2.5 more hours to go before i leave |
| 06:31 | <AlexC_> | Night shift? |
| 06:31 | <marius> | What'd yo udo to deserve this ? |
| 06:31 | <@Praefectus> | ya, 10p-9a sun/mon/tues/wed |
| 06:32 | <marius> | I thought they put whatshisface on that :P |
| 06:32 | <marius> | Did yo udiss cackers new stach? |
| 06:32 | <@Praefectus> | i like the 4 day weeks, jus have to get used to it again |
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| 06:33 | <AlexC_> | Praefectus: Ouch long hours ... we'll try not to break anything :P |
| 06:34 | <marius> | And if you do, get AlexC_'s stuff first. |
| 06:34 | * | Praefectus breaks marius' 'nodes |
| 06:35 | <marius> | :( |
| 06:35 | * | marius pets the nodes |
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| 06:38 | <@Praefectus> | it wouldnt be so bad if i didnt wake up 3 hours after i passed out yesterday |
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| 07:00 | <deepfryed> | hola |
| 07:01 | <deepfryed> | question for linode experts around. any idea if i can get instance with more cpu cores ? we use a number of 4G 4core instances, but looking to upgrade an instance |
| 07:01 | <AlexC_> | deepfryed: All plans have 4 cores |
| 07:02 | <deepfryed> | any custom plans with higher core instances ? |
| 07:02 | <TimTim> | i was wondering that as well... how would you go about tying together a few different linodes? i'm sure there are a number of ways but what's the best method with linode? |
| 07:03 | <AlexC_> | deepfryed: Not that I'm aware of. The larger plans generally will give you more CPU time available as there was less neighbours, but that's about it |
| 07:03 | <AlexC_> | TimTim: String? How do you mean tying together? |
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| 07:04 | <rnowak> | can your processes be distributed? if they can, do it - if they can't, make them be able to if you really need it |
| 07:05 | <TimTim> | i guess i mean have like 16 cores working together across 4 linodes |
| 07:07 | <rnowak> | There's a gazillion of ways to do, if they do not need shm, if they do, tough luck |
| 07:07 | <deepfryed> | you can do it with things like openmp, but not trivial |
| 07:07 | <rnowak> | You'd better be looking at workers that can run on the different nodes, and submit jobs through a message queue |
| 07:09 | <TimTim> | gotcha... just curious thanks :) |
| 07:09 | <deepfryed> | yeah seems like what i have to do as well |
| 07:09 | <rnowak> | [pid:31392/rpclane][pid:31392/rpclane] SUCCESS Processed 058dacb16e85416b8524251fcbe2d856 rpc.main.status in 0.0038058757782, after 0.00505900382996 of queueing. |
| 07:09 | <deepfryed> | suggestion for linode peeps here: would be great to have vps options with higher number of cores |
| 07:10 | <rnowak> | right now as we're speaking <3 Got tired of all the available options, so NIHing up in the house |
| 07:11 | <AlexC_> | deepfryed: That kind of defeats the purpose of scaling horizontally |
| 07:12 | <deepfryed> | yes it does, but some types of workloads benefit from more cores. esp when i'm running an olap db |
| 07:12 | <marius> | almost 100k seconds on the nyan-telnet! |
| 07:12 | * | rnowak stare |
| 07:14 | <marius> | you do not know of the nyancat telnet ? |
| 07:15 | <AlexC_> | Is there a Llama telnet? |
| 07:15 | <rnowak> | I want a stfu telnet |
| 07:15 | * | AlexC_ hands rnowak a cup of tea |
| 07:15 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 07:15 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 07:16 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
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| 07:35 | <marius> | SpaceHobo, yeah I got kicked off the other day and when I reconnected it was like this |
| 07:36 | <marius> | You have nyaned for 96954 seconds! |
| 07:36 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 07:36 | <marius> | \o/ |
| 07:36 | <marius> | almost 27 hours |
| 07:36 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 07:36 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 07:39 | <marius> | haha |
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| 07:43 | <flashingpumpkin> | hey guys. quick question: I've got a linode here that I would like to rebuild. It's got two disks, of which only one is attached. If I do the rebuild, will the second, unattached disk get wiped too? |
| 07:44 | <flashingpumpkin> | ah. yes it seems deducting from the disk size prompt |
| 07:44 | <AlexC_> | flashingpumpkin: You choose which disk to redploy to |
| 07:44 | <AlexC_> | s/redploy/redeploy/ |
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| 07:45 | <flashingpumpkin> | AlexC_, well there is not exactly a choice: http://cl.ly/1b3U3e212v0d0y172V2d |
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| 07:46 | <AlexC_> | Ahm, not sure then - it's been a while since I have had to redeploy. Shall have to wait for someone else to answer |
| 07:47 | <AlexC_> | The library may have some info on it |
| 07:48 | <@Praefectus> | flashingpumpkin: click deploy instead of redeploy |
| 07:48 | <AlexC_> | Praefectus: Just to unconfuse me, when you hit deploy you then choose which disk? Is that where I'm getting this from? |
| 07:49 | <@Praefectus> | you can use any unallocated space when you hit "deploy a distro" |
| 07:49 | <@Praefectus> | i have a bunch of 4GB disks on my test node |
| 07:51 | <flashingpumpkin> | ah. cool. thanks Praefectus |
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| 09:05 | <Vegar> | I see that my vps in london has been trying to connect to IPv6 addresses during its daily "apt-get update" cronjob. What's the status on IPv6 in London? |
| 09:06 | <MTecknology> | !ipv6 |
| 09:06 | <linbot> | IPv6 is currently available in Fremont, Dallas, and Newark. The London and Atlanta facilities are currently undergoing internal testing, and Tokyo is in progress. More info: http://www.linode.com/IPv6/ |
| 09:06 | <Vegar> | is there an ETA? |
| 09:07 | <hawk> | Not that I know of |
| 09:07 | <Nivex> | Estimated Time of Annoyance? Sure, everytime someone asks again ;P |
| 09:08 | <Vegar> | hehe |
| 09:08 | <hawk> | Vegar: If it's trying to connect to ipv6 addresses despite not having ipv6, it sounds like it's misconfigured somehow |
| 09:09 | <Vegar> | hawk: but it's been behaving nicely for over a year |
| 09:11 | <Vegar> | inet6 addr: fe80::fcfd:b2ff:fe4f:993e/64 Scope:Link |
| 09:11 | <Vegar> | (from ifconfig eth0) |
| 09:11 | <hawk> | Maybe it has been misconfigured all that time, and now the mirror you are using in sources.list have added AAAA records... Just one of several possible theories |
| 09:11 | <Vegar> | that's a link-local address.. |
| 09:12 | <hawk> | agreed |
| 09:12 | <linbot> | New news from forums: Latency from London to 84.20.200.10 (443) in Sales Questions and Answers <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=8158>; |
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| 09:14 | <Vegar> | I should just disable ipv6 |
| 09:14 | <Nivex> | Nooooooo! |
| 09:15 | <vegardx> | Disabling IPv6 in Linux can be a pain now. |
| 09:15 | <avenj> | and why bother .. should fail over to v4 |
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| 09:16 | <avenj> | rather quickly too if you only have link-local v6 8) |
| 09:16 | <Vegar> | yes |
| 09:16 | <Vegar> | if I run apt-get update manually, it doesn't fail |
| 09:17 | <avenj> | you didn't mention that it fails :o |
| 09:17 | <Vegar> | W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/dists/squeeze/Release.gpg Cannot initiate the connection to ftp.uk.debian.org:80 (2001:470:1f08:80b::2). - connect (101: Network is unreachable) [IP: 2001:470:1f08:80b::2 80] |
| 09:18 | <Nivex> | could have been a transient DNS problem where only the AAAA record was returned |
| 09:18 | <Vegar> | that is possible |
| 09:18 | <Vegar> | it failed at 05:00 this morning |
| 09:18 | <Vegar> | I sshd in at 07:30 and it was fine |
| 09:18 | <Vegar> | then I got another email at 10:15 with the same error messages |
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| 09:20 | <Vegar> | ah, well, I'll see if it's better tomorrow morning |
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| 09:22 | <vegardx> | Vegar: you could use a non-ipv6 enabled mirror |
| 09:22 | <vegardx> | or just use unattended upgrades |
| 09:23 | <Vegar> | I'll look into it if it complains more |
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| 09:25 | <Nivex> | You could also set up a tunnel from tunnelbroker.net until the native arrives :) |
| 09:27 | <Vegar> | they promised native ipv6 in Q4 2011, so I hope it'll be here within a couple of weeks |
| 09:30 | <hawk> | I'm not sure I would go as far as "promised", but I believe it was mentioned as an ETA |
| 09:30 | <hawk> | (But now there are no ETAs on the information page) |
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| 09:57 | <Vegar> | hawk: does h4ckerx mean anything to you? |
| 09:58 | <hawk> | Not really |
| 09:59 | <Vegar> | ok |
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| 10:00 | <Vegar> | it was an old website on network security, and someone with the name hawk used to hang out in the accompanying IRC channel |
| 10:03 | <hawk> | ok, don't think that was me |
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| 10:04 | <DeaneVenske> | Has anyone experienced nodebalancers falsely reporing nodes down and removing them from the rotation? |
| 10:05 | <DeaneVenske> | We've set : Check Interval 40, Check Timeout 30, Check Attempts 30. And even while I'm on a server and getting great responsiveness the node balancer will report a machine as down |
| 10:07 | <swaj> | are the new Sandy Bridge Xeons decent for Xen? I mean from a price/performance perspective? |
| 10:08 | <AlexC_> | DeaneVenske: If you believe that's the case then you'd best open a support ticket |
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| 10:10 | <n4rc> | hey |
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| 10:16 | <n4rc> | I am having an issue with php on linode, I have a job running daily that imports an XML file of around 240mb, now, the php process is using all the memory on linode and the OOM Killer is killing my PHP process, I did some calculations and DomDocument takes around 700mb of memory to load the file, what do you suggest? |
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| 10:16 | <AlexC_> | n4rc: Use a SAX parser not DomDocument |
| 10:17 | <swaj> | or stream the contents straight to disk and don't load the whole document into an object |
| 10:17 | <swaj> | (if PHP can even do that) |
| 10:18 | <AlexC_> | n4rc: php.net/xml for reference |
| 10:18 | <AlexC_> | swaj: Yes, using as sax parser will let you stream it instead of loading the entire thing |
| 10:19 | <@heckman> | that's saxy |
| 10:19 | <swaj> | :P |
| 10:19 | <n4rc> | that is saxy 2026.. ;) |
| 10:19 | <n4rc> | let me have a look... |
| 10:19 | <AlexC_> | Or you can use php.net/xmlreader n4rc, both are options that will lower the memory usage |
| 10:19 | <n4rc> | i have all the code written and tested 2026 :cry: |
| 10:20 | <swaj> | I'm thinking about getting myself a christmas present... custom-built SuperMicro box with twin Xeons for futzing around with SmartOS + KVM, but I can't decide whether to go Nehalem or Sandy Bridge :P |
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| 10:21 | <AlexC_> | n4rc: Time to rewrite it |
| 10:21 | <swaj> | no reason to load that whole document into memory is there? sounds like you need to rethink it :P |
| 10:22 | <AlexC_> | This reminds me of the old place I used to work with, trying to parse 700MB XML files with SimpleXML. I was not happy |
| 10:22 | <swaj> | XML should diaf, imo :P |
| 10:22 | <AlexC_> | Oh, and these very same developers thought that Google was a XSS exploit ... |
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| 10:24 | <AlexC_> | Their notion was that because you could edit the Google Search URL term query paramater, and that the text you entered would display on their website, that it was XSS |
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| 10:31 | <hawk> | swaj: You're stuck with single cpu and relatively low memory limit until SB-E, no? (Or am I mistaken about the SB Xeons?) |
| 10:36 | <datagutt> | AlexC: they didnt get the _scripting_ part? |
| 10:36 | <AlexC_> | datagutt: They generally didn't have a clue about anything |
| 10:37 | <datagutt> | So i guess they are thedailywtf worthy? |
| 10:37 | <datagutt> | :p |
| 10:37 | <AlexC_> | For example, I could very much link you to a website where the price for ecommerce products are stored in the HTML markup. Simply modify the HTML and set the price to £1, and add it to the cart. No server side validation |
| 10:39 | <Joushou> | ... |
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| 10:39 | <Joushou> | Wonderful. |
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| 11:02 | <Ftp> | Hey guys, I cant download anything from my ftp, what could be the problem |
| 11:02 | <Ftp> | it says "file transfer failed" |
| 11:03 | <Ftp> | I havent changed anything since last time on my server, the only thing is that I have reinstalled my ftp program, filezilla |
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| 11:05 | <Ftp> | anyone? |
| 11:05 | <@caker> | 1) don't use FTP. 2) Use SFTP, which is built into sshd |
| 11:06 | <Ftp> | I'm using sftp |
| 11:06 | <Ftp> | port 21? is that correct? |
| 11:06 | <rnowak> | default port for ssh is 22 |
| 11:07 | <@caker> | no. port 21 is ftp |
| 11:07 | <Ftp> | i'm sorry i meant 22 |
| 11:07 | <@caker> | ... |
| 11:08 | <@caker> | JasonF: http://www.usenix.org/events/lisa11/training/tutonefile.html#t4 ! |
| 11:09 | <Ftp> | the "logon type" is it supposed to be "normal" ? |
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| 11:10 | <Ftp> | it still doesnt work, I cant transfer files |
| 11:10 | <rnowak> | that's very unfortunate |
| 11:11 | <LK-> | Ftp: you're evidently using FTP not SFTP |
| 11:11 | <Ftp> | ok it works now |
| 11:11 | <Ftp> | thanks |
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| 11:11 | <Ftp> | somehow it does, |
| 11:11 | <@Perihelion> | :3 |
| 11:11 | <nyuszika7h> | Hi |
| 11:12 | <Ftp> | thanks for the help! |
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| 11:13 | <nyu|CGIIRC> | Could anyone tell me the price of a Linode 1024 or a 2048 when paid every 24 months (that has 15% discount according to the site)? |
| 11:14 | <@caker> | monthly price * 24 months * .85 |
| 11:14 | <nyu|CGIIRC> | Ok, thanks |
| 11:15 | <nyu|CGIIRC> | * 24 months is simply * 24, right? |
| 11:15 | <rnowak> | ;| |
| 11:17 | <nyu|CGIIRC> | Christmas isn't so far away, I think I will get an 1536 or a 2048 because 40 GB storage is a bit small :P |
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| 11:17 | * | nyu|CGIIRC <3 WolframAlpha - sorry for being a little off-topic, I have to go now anyway |
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| 11:18 | <@Perihelion> | O.e |
| 11:18 | <rnowak> | guys, what's 1+1? |
| 11:18 | <@Perihelion> | Idk |
| 11:18 | <@mikegrb> | lulz |
| 11:18 | <rnowak> | lol nvm just gonna use wolfram|alpha |
| 11:18 | <@Perihelion> | Go ask wolfram alpha |
| 11:18 | <@Perihelion> | rnowak: You are my soul mate. |
| 11:19 | <rnowak> | foreverandever |
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| 11:22 | <Nivex> | zomg it's Perihelion! |
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| 11:30 | <linbot> | New news from forums: Kernel log entires in Performance and Tuning <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=8159>; |
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| 11:36 | <linbot> | New news from forums: Installing APC on Ubuntu 10.04 in Performance and Tuning <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=8160>; |
| 11:36 | <rnowak> | so he's having oom issues and wants to install APC, well then, that'll fix it all |
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| 11:46 | <linbot> | New news from forums: Sticky thread about apache max clients in Feature Request/Bug Report <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=8161>; |
| 11:47 | <hawk> | :> |
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| 12:00 | <Nivex> | For those of us who haven't drunk the Google Mail kool-aid, what's the current trend in anti-spam? spamassassin still popular, or have we moved on to other stuff? |
| 12:01 | <HedgeMage> | spamassassin is good for content-based protection, but you need to be using a good dnsbl too |
| 12:02 | <Pryon> | I suggest a combination of spamhaus and spameatingmonkey and spamcop. Not sure of the current feelings about using RBLs, but it works for me. |
| 12:02 | <Nivex> | I've been using zen.spamhaus.org inside postfix alongside spamassassin for awhile now |
| 12:03 | <Nivex> | never heard of spameatingmonkey. spamcop are bastards. |
| 12:03 | <HedgeMage> | Pryon: RBL is another term for a dnsbl |
| 12:03 | <Pryon> | indeed |
| 12:03 | <Pryon> | Some are morally opposed to using them, that's what I was trying (and failing) to express |
| 12:04 | <HedgeMage> | Why on earth would someone be morally opposed to them? (As opposed to feigning moral outrage because their spam is being blocked) |
| 12:04 | <Pryon> | no idea |
| 12:04 | <Nivex> | ok, so it looks like I don't need to do any retooling. Thanks! |
| 12:04 | <dzho> | due process |
| 12:05 | <Pryon> | I'm not the government, so I have no obligation to provide due process |
| 12:05 | <HedgeMage> | dzho: You get due process when the government imposes something on you without your consent, not when people decide whether or not they care to hear from you. |
| 12:05 | <nDuff> | HedgeMage, about SpamCop? They're... let's say indiscriminate... in their operations. |
| 12:06 | <dzho> | IANAL but due process can be important in torts stuff, too. Like, if you are fired without cause, and your employer didn't follow their own procedures etc etc . . . |
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| 12:06 | <HedgeMage> | nDuff: I did not say SpamCop in particular, I said dnsbls -- the whole point is that every server admin can choose a list that follows policies/procedures they feel are appropriate |
| 12:06 | <Pryon> | Okay. I have no obligation to receive anybody's email |
| 12:06 | <sirona> | hi guys |
| 12:07 | <sirona> | and ladies |
| 12:07 | <Pryon> | (assuming I didn't contract to do so) |
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| 12:07 | <dzho> | Pryon: preaching to the choir, just trying to help folks see the other side of it |
| 12:07 | <dzho> | people do all sorts of weird stuff wrt to spam, I think a lot of the world's reaction to it has been to sign up to Facebook. |
| 12:08 | <dzho> | but I repeat myself. |
| 12:08 | <Pryon> | dzho: understood. I'm dealing with a customer who thinks people don't have the right to refuse his mail. It's...annoying. |
| 12:09 | <dzho> | Pryon: you have my full sympathy. |
| 12:09 | <HedgeMage> | Pryon: clients with built-in reality-distortion fields are irritating |
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| 12:24 | <linbot> | New news from forums: VHCS Question in Web Servers and Web App Development <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=8162>; |
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| 12:45 | <vraa> | anyone ever use a web thermostat? |
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| 12:51 | <seanh-ansca> | vraa: like with a temp probe that's accessible over an api or something? |
| 12:52 | <seanh-ansca> | vraa: i've used things like that for temp trending in our DC, query-able over snmp, they're often part of UPS's too |
| 12:54 | <vraa> | that might be a little too complex, im trying to find something where i can at least see historical data |
| 12:54 | <vraa> | i have 4 thermostats in the office, people keep messing with them |
| 12:54 | <vraa> | at lesat i want to graph the temps (actual temp and set temp) |
| 12:54 | <vraa> | i've seen arduino projects, buti can't scale that up |
| 12:54 | <JasonF> | caker: yep. Are you here? |
| 12:55 | <JasonF> | caker: if so, I should buy you a beer or three |
| 12:55 | <JasonF> | preferably three, after giving my tutorial |
| 12:55 | <@mikegrb> | lulz |
| 12:55 | <JasonF> | lol |
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| 12:58 | <seanh-ansca> | vraa: graphing what it's set it is going to be your hard part imho |
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| 12:58 | <seanh-ansca> | vraa: http://www.itwatchdogs.com/product-detail-microgoose-9.html |
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| 13:00 | <seanh-ansca> | vraa: alternately, forget the graphing and just use these http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/Universal-Thermostat-Guard-2E379 :-p |
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| 13:00 | <sirona> | hey, what's the command to reset the root pwd in terminal? |
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| 13:02 | <seanh-ansca> | sirona: sudo passwd |
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| 13:04 | <sirona> | thanks |
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| 13:08 | <ghoti> | Hi there. I'm trying to run an irc server on a linode in atlanta. I've tried using ports 7665..7669, 16665..16669 and 60665..60669. I can't believe that ALL these are "common" irc port ranges that are being filtered... |
| 13:08 | <ghoti> | My linode is running Debian. I've installed ircd-hybrid, done some configuration and started it, and I can see from `netstat -an | grep -w LISTEN` that it's listening on the ports I specified. |
| 13:10 | <ghoti> | I can also connect to those ports (using `nc`) and see IRC protocol headers. But I can't connect from outside. I see the connection attempt on my linode when I run tcpdump, but I don't see a response going out. How do I debug this? |
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| 13:11 | <dcraig> | is the ircd bound to your correct public IP? |
| 13:12 | <jpark31> | Hello, I setup a mail server using this guide and it receives mail but when I try to send mail, the SMTP isn't recognizing the password but it uses the same password to receive mail. |
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| 13:12 | <jwbernin> | ghoti: that smells like a host firewall getting in the way. |
| 13:12 | <jpark31> | Where should I start with this? |
| 13:12 | <seanh-ansca> | ghoti: sounds like a firewall, or you don't have a default gateway specified |
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| 13:15 | <@heckman> | ghoti: The upstream provider in the Atlanta facility filters common IRC ports. We can migrate you to a different facility to get around this. |
| 13:15 | <dcraig> | his argument is that he's not using common irc ports |
| 13:16 | <@heckman> | errr, oh |
| 13:16 | <@heckman> | failure |
| 13:16 | <@heckman> | http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php/Atlanta_Port_Filtering -- I compiled this list back in May. |
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| 13:16 | <@heckman> | Er, August rather. |
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| 13:18 | <ghoti> | dcraig, yes, ircd seems to be bound to the correct IP. |
| 13:18 | <dcraig> | I'm joining team jwbernin then :D |
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| 13:20 | <ghoti> | heckman, that's why I was asking what were "common" IRC ports. Are the ones I specified common? I was thinging that only 6665..6669 would be filtered. |
| 13:21 | <dcraig> | that link has the list |
| 13:21 | <dcraig> | I don't think yours are on it |
| 13:21 | <ghoti> | jwbernin, how would I check for local firewall stuff? While I'd know where to look in freebsd, I'm afraid I'm not on top of this in debian. :-/ |
| 13:21 | <ghoti> | heckman, thanks for the list -- I should read the whole channel before I post updates. :) |
| 13:22 | <@heckman> | iptables-save should show all currently iptables (firewall) rules |
| 13:23 | <ghoti> | *getting* the data isn't an issue... Understanding it is more of a challenge... |
| 13:23 | <ghoti> | I used shorewall once a while ago, but never poked directly at the iptables rules it produced. |
| 13:23 | <dcraig> | maybe it has some sort of "default deny" rule, and then you added specific exceptions for http, ssh, etc. |
| 13:23 | <ghoti> | Where would this be configured? |
| 13:24 | <ghoti> | `grep iptables /etc/init.d/*` gives me nothing... |
| 13:25 | <ghoti> | ah, /etc/init/ufw.conf ... but that doesn't seem to include any rules. |
| 13:25 | <dcraig> | perhaps the configuration files are in /etc/shorewall |
| 13:25 | <ghoti> | dcraig, if shorewall was installed on this linode, then sure, but I only played with shorewall years ago, not related to this linode. |
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| 13:25 | <dcraig> | oh ok |
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| 13:26 | <seanh-ansca> | ghoti: does ssh work? |
| 13:26 | <dcraig> | what was the output of that iptables-save command? |
| 13:28 | <ghoti> | dcraig: 138 lines of stuff I don't understand. But it seems that `ufw` may be in play here. I get a list of ALLOW rules from `ufw status`, and I'm reading its man page now. |
| 13:28 | <dcraig> | that's a lot of lines |
| 13:28 | <dcraig> | sounds like you installed a firewall at some point |
| 13:29 | <ghoti> | seanh-ansca: yes, as do http and https. I'm pretty sure there's a firewall here, as dcraig and jwbernin suggested. |
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| 13:29 | <ghoti> | dcraig: technically, it was the last guy who worked here, who resigned last month.. :-P |
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| 13:30 | <seanh-ansca> | ghoti: fw was my second guess, for all i know you have been getting on the box via lish and it doesn't actually have it's networking configured right :-p |
| 13:30 | <walterheck> | does anyone here know what payment gateway provide linode uses? |
| 13:31 | <ghoti> | Yaay - `sudo ufw allow 60667/tcp` solved my problem. |
| 13:31 | <ghoti> | thanks, folks. |
| 13:31 | <sirona> | is there some step i need to take before entering the "mkdir /srv/www/ducklington.org/src/" command? (obviously with my site replacing ducklington) |
| 13:32 | <seanh-ansca> | sirona: "mkdir /srv/www/ducklington.org" |
| 13:32 | <dcraig> | I think the -p option makes parent directories for you |
| 13:32 | <sirona> | so no src? |
| 13:32 | <seanh-ansca> | dcraig: yes, i'm just being a smart ass |
| 13:33 | <dcraig> | I think the suggestion is that you might have to make the ducklington directory before you can put a src directory in it |
| 13:33 | <dcraig> | also, why don't you want a ducklington site? :P |
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| 13:33 | <sirona> | not cute enough :) |
| 13:33 | <sirona> | so |
| 13:33 | <sirona> | it won't even let me create the domain director |
| 13:33 | <sirona> | y |
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| 13:33 | <seanh-ansca> | do you have permission do make dir's there? |
| 13:34 | <sirona> | not sure... i'm logged in as root, so i was assuming so, but... |
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| 13:34 | <@mikegrb> | lulz |
| 13:34 | <vraa> | seanh-ansca, you have some experience with microgoose? lol on the guards |
| 13:34 | <vraa> | this is what i wanted, http://www.mgdengineering.com/hvac.htm but it's DIY |
| 13:34 | <dcraig> | does /srv/www exist? |
| 13:34 | <sirona> | i have to create that first? i'm just ignortant of the steps |
| 13:34 | <seanh-ansca> | vraa: no, i've used some of there other stuff though it it's good |
| 13:35 | <dcraig> | try mkdir -p /srv/www/ducklington.org/src |
| 13:35 | <vraa> | cost is high, considering a thermostat is like 100$? |
| 13:35 | <seanh-ansca> | vraa: the guards weren't really a joke to be honest, they are quite possibly the best solution to your problem |
| 13:35 | <sirona> | creating /srv/www/ seemed to work |
| 13:35 | <vraa> | well, i was hoping to scale up my solution to remote locations |
| 13:35 | <vraa> | upto 80 |
| 13:36 | <sirona> | how do i look at dirs to make sure it created? |
| 13:36 | <dcraig> | ls |
| 13:36 | <seanh-ansca> | vraa: how many at a single site |
| 13:36 | <vraa> | upto 2, except at hq, where there are 4 |
| 13:36 | <dcraig> | you could try ls /srv/www |
| 13:36 | <dcraig> | or you could change to the /srv/www directory first with cd /srv/www |
| 13:36 | <dcraig> | and then just type ls |
| 13:37 | <seanh-ansca> | vraa: i would look at getting network thermostats then, there are many companies that make them rs-485 controllable |
| 13:37 | <dcraig> | if you want some other non-root user to manage the ducklington.org site, you could set that user as owner of the ducklington.org directory and its contents |
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| 13:38 | <sirona> | thanks, guys |
| 13:38 | <vraa> | thanks ill google that |
| 13:38 | <sirona> | i will probably be back later to ask more questions. |
| 13:38 | <sirona> | really appreciate the help |
| 13:39 | <seanh-ansca> | vraa: normally they are hooked up to a controller box of some kind that has a web interface, where you can set temp schedules etc. for 80 control points i would seriously consider atleast getting advice from a local commercial hvac guy |
| 13:40 | <vraa> | yeah i think i might end up having to, i dont want to blow myself up |
| 13:41 | <seanh-ansca> | if you can do low voltage wiring you can do hvac control stuff, but there are nuances that you might not know about if you haven't done it before, hence atleast asking for advice :-p |
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| 13:42 | <bar_> | Hi |
| 13:42 | <seanh-ansca> | vraa: the honeywell excel controller was the last one that i used at a site of that scale (~100ish control points, mixed heat,ac,both) |
| 13:42 | <bar_> | any problems with some hosts on the fremont network ? |
| 13:42 | <vraa> | was that on same LAN? |
| 13:43 | <seanh-ansca> | vraa: the t-stats are all hooked up via a rs-485 bus, which i wired over the cat5 cable plant |
| 13:43 | <seanh-ansca> | vraa: but it wasn't ethernet until it hit the control box |
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| 13:44 | <Tarun> | Hi There |
| 13:44 | <Tarun> | has anyone tried to run a VNC from Ubuntu |
| 13:45 | <seanh-ansca> | vraa: you can send rs-485 over eth with adapters, but it gets expensive ($150 per adapter), and it's normally possible to get the serial stuff working right assuming your in the same building (shared ground plane) |
| 13:45 | <bar_> | I think I'm being ddosed by these addresses: |
| 13:45 | <bar_> | 69.171.242.251 |
| 13:45 | <seanh-ansca> | bar_: that's facebook |
| 13:45 | <Tarun> | I need to to monitor my web app from my home |
| 13:45 | <SnoFox> | http://pie.ext3.net/oftc-linode/linode-current.png |
| 13:46 | <@heckman> | Tarun: This guy has done it. The full solution may not be what you need, but there is a section on VNC: http://yieldthought.com/post/12638596672/setting-up-an-ipad-linode |
| 13:47 | <seanh-ansca> | Tarun: nagios, pingdom, cacti… VNC seems like the wrong tool for that job |
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| 13:47 | <linbot> | New news from forums: Adding domains to automagicly. Linode API or work around??? in General Discussion <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=8163>; |
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| 13:47 | <seanh-ansca> | SnoFox: neat! |
| 13:48 | <SnoFox> | seanh-ansca: PieSpy is like the most interesting thing in the world right now (to me) :p |
| 13:48 | <Tarun> | @heckman thanks, I will go through it and try doing it again :) |
| 13:49 | <seanh-ansca> | SnoFox: take a look at this http://code.google.com/p/gource/ |
| 13:49 | <seanh-ansca> | SnoFox: not quite the same thing, but along similar lines, plus it makes movies! |
| 13:49 | <Tarun> | @seanh-ansca, I am trying to develop on ruby application and i need to look at the pages locally, before deploying. |
| 13:50 | <seanh-ansca> | Tarun: have a staging site and a production site? |
| 13:51 | <Tarun> | nope |
| 13:51 | <Tarun> | i have just started things, don't know a lot |
| 13:51 | <Tarun> | using ROR |
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| 13:52 | <seanh-ansca> | that was more of a suggestion with a question mark at the end of it than a question |
| 13:52 | <SnoFox> | That is really cool, seanh-ansca. |
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| 13:53 | <SnoFox> | seanh-ansca: I'd love to see that working on the Linux kernel source. :p |
| 13:53 | <Tarun> | Yeah I will try to do it once I am near to something significant |
| 13:53 | <Tarun> | for now i need to view the app on firefox |
| 13:53 | <Tarun> | on Linode |
| 13:54 | <Tarun> | is there any way to get that done apart from setting up a VNC |
| 13:54 | <seanh-ansca> | SnoFox: oi, that would take for ever. Ive run it on an internal repo here. 100k files, maybe 10k commits. it ran for `hours` before producing anything useful |
| 13:54 | <@heckman> | Tarun: separate vhost for the dev content? |
| 13:55 | <hawk> | Tarun: Why do you need to run the browser on the linode? |
| 13:55 | <SnoFox> | seanh-ansca: I have time. :P |
| 13:55 | <Tarun> | to view the site locally |
| 13:55 | <seanh-ansca> | Tarun: you need to look at running firefox via xvfb and then connecting to it via vnc, or alternately just running firefox via x with a local display |
| 13:55 | <SnoFox> | Tarun: I don't see why that would ever need to be done. But perhaps you could trick it by using a SOCKS proxy. |
| 13:56 | <Tarun> | hmm |
| 13:56 | <SnoFox> | Or some other proxy. Just as long as your app thinks it's coming from 127.0.0.1. |
| 13:56 | <Tarun> | Is it really hard to run VNC on a linode |
| 13:57 | <seanh-ansca> | Tarun: it's just not done that often, and generally considered "bad practice" |
| 13:57 | <hawk> | Tarun: I wouldn't say "really hard", but it'll take some work and seems completely unnecessary |
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| 13:57 | <Tarun> | okay |
| 13:58 | <seanh-ansca> | Tarun: you could use ssh to get to "localhost" on the remote machine |
| 13:58 | <hawk> | Tarun: The browsing experience will probably not be that nice either |
| 13:58 | <Tarun> | I will try that firefox + xvfb |
| 13:58 | <Tarun> | yup |
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| 13:58 | <hawk> | Tarun: No, use the ssh tunneling (or socks) that was suggested |
| 13:58 | <seanh-ansca> | ssh -L3333:localhost:3333 taruns.machine.com |
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| 13:58 | <hawk> | Tarun: Stop the running firefox on linode nonsense. Run firefox locally. |
| 13:58 | <seanh-ansca> | then connect to localhost:3333 on your machine |
| 13:58 | <Tarun> | Got it |
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| 14:00 | <VPNPUZZLED> | Can someone help with a PPTP VPN Server? |
| 14:01 | <bar_> | Anything wrong with fremont? |
| 14:01 | <@heckman> | Looks good from here. |
| 14:01 | <seanh-ansca> | bar_: other than being in fremont? |
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| 14:01 | <@heckman> | seanh-ansca: Gsource looks awesome |
| 14:01 | <hawk> | bar_: In general or right now? |
| 14:02 | <seanh-ansca> | heckman: it's alot of fun, if a little slow |
| 14:02 | <VPNPUZZLED> | hello? |
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| 14:02 | <VPNPUZZLED> | Hello? |
| 14:02 | <@heckman> | VPNPUZZLED: We see you. Be patient. |
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| 14:02 | * | seanh-ansca waves at VPNPUZZLED |
| 14:02 | <@heckman> | VPNPUZZLED: Have you tried asking on the forums? |
| 14:03 | <Tarun> | Thanks everybody for helping, will try today and get back tomorrow :) |
| 14:03 | <bar_> | hawk: Right now. |
| 14:04 | <SnoFox> | heckman: Gsource all the things! |
| 14:04 | <@heckman> | I would Gsource my things. But it would be the most boring movie ever. |
| 14:05 | <Tarun> | Thanks Everybody |
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| 14:05 | <seanh-ansca> | heckman: i did a few trial runs on some repos i use all the time… turns out i'm the only one that commits to them :-p |
| 14:05 | <@heckman> | Haha |
| 14:05 | <seanh-ansca> | (which i knew, i jut didn't think about how boring it would be) |
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| 14:06 | <user6716> | hello |
| 14:06 | <user6716> | anyone |
| 14:06 | <user6716> | here? |
| 14:06 | * | akerl waves to user6716 |
| 14:06 | <@heckman> | Yes lots of us here. |
| 14:06 | <@akerl> | user6716: Until you ask us a question, nobody can potentially help you |
| 14:06 | <user6716> | Do you know how to setup a PPTP VPN server? |
| 14:07 | <@heckman> | I'm not sure anyone here currently knows how to set up a PPTP VPN server. Have you tried looking for articles on Google? |
| 14:07 | <user6716> | I have set one up, but my Mac shows traffic being sent but no traffic is being recieved. |
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| 14:07 | <@akerl> | user6716: That's the wrong kind of question. You're looking for a format similar to: "I am doing ____, I am getting _____ error/problem, what should I look at to fix it" |
| 14:08 | <hawk> | Yay, a Mac doing PPTP.. that's like the recipe for headaches... |
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| 14:08 | <seanh-ansca> | i actually had much better luck with pptp on osx than messing with ipsec |
| 14:08 | <user6716> | Would you like e to ask the question again using your structure? |
| 14:08 | <seanh-ansca> | granted this was to a pfsense machine |
| 14:08 | <edoceo> | user6716: routing issue, pptp on the "core" side, not routing back |
| 14:09 | <Yaakov> | Why is a Mac doing PPTP problematic? |
| 14:09 | <user6716> | yes, iptables I think |
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| 14:09 | <hawk> | Yaakov: I wish I knew, in that case I might have a chance of fixing it |
| 14:09 | <user6716> | It isn't showing any incoming traffic. |
| 14:09 | <user6716> | I have enabled sentd all traffic through the VPN but nothing is loading. |
| 14:10 | <Yaakov> | I have no problem at all with the OS X VPN client. It works perfectly. |
| 14:10 | <hawk> | Yaakov: (It's easy to set up and get it to connect, but it's just not stable) |
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| 14:10 | <edoceo> | user6716: routing on your VPN core side, as I said, it's not routing traffic back to your VPN client |
| 14:11 | <user6716> | Yes, I know the problem. |
| 14:11 | <user6716> | What I need to know is how to fix it. |
| 14:11 | <Yaakov> | hawk: I have used the OS X client for PPTP with more than one OS on the other end, never an issue with stability. |
| 14:11 | <edoceo> | If the problem is routing, in the router, then the solution is to configure the router properly |
| 14:12 | <edoceo> | Tell your vpn-host/server/device to route traffic to you |
| 14:12 | <user6716> | Rackspace I guess |
| 14:12 | <linbot> | New news from forums: Same error on all Hebrew websites in General Discussion <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=8156>; |
| 14:14 | <hawk> | Yaakov: To be fair it's really just one PPTP connection that I ever use, but it has been unstable to the point of being almost useless both in 10.6 and 10.7. Windows on the other end, afaik. Works fine from windows and my android phone. |
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| 14:15 | <hawk> | Yaakov: I wouldn't rule out that there is some particular combination of settings or something like that which makes the OS X pptp client freak out |
| 14:16 | <ChemicalKicks> | HELLO aha hawk is here, is bob2 here too? |
| 14:16 | <ChemicalKicks> | I've got some good news |
| 14:16 | <ChemicalKicks> | I fixed it!!! |
| 14:16 | <@caker> | !enter |
| 14:16 | <linbot> | IRC supports complete sentences. Less <CR> more content, please. |
| 14:17 | <ChemicalKicks> | Well last night I was melting hawk and bob2 trying to sort out my email issue, the way I sorted was to remove the zone records for chemicalkicks.com from linode, put the control back to my registrar and boom al the emails started coming through |
| 14:18 | <ChemicalKicks> | So sorry for melting heads but also thank you for helping me! :) |
| 14:19 | <SnoFox> | I suppose that works. |
| 14:20 | <hawk> | ChemicalKicks: With the same zone data? |
| 14:21 | <ChemicalKicks> | hawk, yes for the mx records but no for a record etc |
| 14:23 | <user6716> | Rackspace said "We really don't support configurations. What I can do is ensure that your server is online." |
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| 14:23 | <user6716> | "This link may be helpful! http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/windowsserver/bb310558.aspx." |
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| 14:25 | <user6716> | Useless so called "Fanatical Support" |
| 14:25 | <@akerl> | user6716: That's what unmanaged means |
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| 14:29 | <user6716> | I had a managed one with SolarVPS, but the Rackspace DC is down the road so the connection is a lot better. |
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| 15:04 | * | akerl is feeling the urge to hate on Arch |
| 15:05 | <@heckman> | ? |
| 15:06 | * | vodka hands akerl a linuxfromscratch install to keep up to date |
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| 15:06 | <@akerl> | heckman: Arch is so kind that it has python3 and python2, with 3 linked as "python" |
| 15:06 | <@heckman> | You are only realizing this now? |
| 15:07 | <SnoFox> | heckman: You should modify the Linode CP so that when we try to install Arch on our VPS, it warns us that "this is a bad idea". |
| 15:07 | <lsabota> | you can symlink /usr/bin/python to whatever you want aker1 |
| 15:07 | <@heckman> | laker |
| 15:07 | <@akerl> | I've spent the past hour trying to get uwsgi/web.py configured, and was failing, despite telling my test.py to use 2, and changing the symlink |
| 15:07 | <Pryon> | Hey, new == good amirite? |
| 15:07 | <SnoFox> | lsabota: Programs written for Arch's stupidty assume that /usr/bin/python is Python3. |
| 15:08 | <@akerl> | lsabota: Did that. But I did it *after* running make on uwsgi, not realizing that it was grabbing python3 when I did so |
| 15:08 | * | boba grabs popcorn |
| 15:08 | <virhilo> | akerl: use virtualenvs - problem solved:) (but yes it sucks;)) |
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| 15:09 | <lsabota> | akerl: oh bummer; i mean you can always run make again |
| 15:09 | <seanh-ansca> | i vote write everything in brainf*ck and run it via python :) http://www.cs.princeton.edu/~ynaamad/misc/bf.htm |
| 15:09 | <@akerl> | Yup, it's working now. But I was beating my head on the wall trying to figure out why uwsgi kept using 3 after I set everything to 2 |
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| 15:12 | <vodka> | ln -s /usr/bin/perl /usr/bin/python |
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| 15:14 | <eagles0513875> | mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm vodka hehe |
| 15:14 | <lsabota> | vodka: xD |
| 15:14 | <eagles0513875> | wait wtf |
| 15:14 | <vodka> | ;p |
| 15:14 | <eagles0513875> | vodka: why you symlinking perl with py thon |
| 15:14 | <vodka> | eagles0513875, don't take me too seriously :) |
| 15:15 | <vodka> | sort of responding to [21:07:14] <lsabota> you can symlink /usr/bin/python to whatever you want |
| 15:15 | <eagles0513875> | im not seeing as your name is vodka im just taking it ur destroying a perfectly good linode you must be inebreated |
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| 15:20 | <@heckman> | aker1: so no Arch rage then? |
| 15:20 | <SnoFox> | No, he's just Russian. :p |
| 15:21 | <SnoFox> | eagles0513875: That's a lot of numbers, btw. |
| 15:21 | <KingTarquin> | SnoFox: o/ |
| 15:21 | <SnoFox> | KingTarquin: \o |
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| 15:23 | <seanh-ansca> | eagles0513875: arguably if he really doesn't need python it would make the unneeded symlink do `something` :-p |
| 15:23 | <eagles0513875> | haha |
| 15:24 | <eagles0513875> | btw hi SnoFox |
| 15:24 | <eagles0513875> | SnoFox: i got a 2nd linode :D |
| 15:24 | <SnoFox> | eagles0513875: Buy ALL the Linodes! |
| 15:25 | <@akerl> | heckman: Meh. It works now. |
| 15:25 | <eagles0513875> | SnoFox: hahah wish i could :P |
| 15:25 | <SnoFox> | Infinite computing powah! |
| 15:25 | <eagles0513875> | haha |
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| 15:26 | <Daevien> | akerl: arch on server = bad, k? :p |
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| 15:26 | <SnoFox> | What Daevien said. |
| 15:26 | <eagles0513875> | haha |
| 15:26 | <Daevien> | and i say it as someone that uses arch on my main system :p |
| 15:26 | <eagles0513875> | atm ubuntu 10.04 on linode = bad |
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| 15:27 | <eagles0513875> | damn mysql workbench isnt connecting to it ovr ssh |
| 15:27 | <eagles0513875> | either that or there is a bug in workbench |
| 15:27 | <SnoFox> | Ubuntu/Arch are bad servers, imo. |
| 15:27 | <Daevien> | eagles0513875: or you fail as doing ssh tunnels |
| 15:27 | <Daevien> | as = at |
| 15:27 | <eagles0513875> | Daevien: no i dont fail |
| 15:27 | <eagles0513875> | its odd ubuntu it doesnt work |
| 15:27 | <Daevien> | SnoFox: if you say use centos, we have the right to beat you with heavy objects |
| 15:28 | <eagles0513875> | yet when i connect with workbench onto my fedora vps which im trying to phase out it connects no problem |
| 15:28 | <eagles0513875> | Daevien: i just wanna beat centos with heavy objects instead of SnoFox |
| 15:28 | <@akerl> | SnoFox: Why do you feel that Arch isn't a good server OS? |
| 15:28 | <seanh-ansca> | what's wrong with 10.04 as a server? |
| 15:28 | <Daevien> | eagles0513875: i highly doubt it's ubuntu, more liek something you didn't configure the way you want it |
| 15:28 | <eagles0513875> | seanh-ansca: nothing |
| 15:28 | <eagles0513875> | Daevien: on my other mac my laptop it works just fine |
| 15:28 | <eagles0513875> | i dunno |
| 15:29 | <eagles0513875> | seanh-ansca: i use nothing but ubuntu |
| 15:29 | <robbbie> | eagles0513875: are you issuing an ssh command? try adding -vvv |
| 15:29 | <@mikegrb> | lulz |
| 15:29 | <eagles0513875> | lol im not saying anything against it |
| 15:29 | <eagles0513875> | robbbie: im doing it via mysql workbench so i cannot issue a command like that |
| 15:29 | <eagles0513875> | i can ssh into it just fine via terminal |
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| 15:29 | <Daevien> | so it's a workbench config issue then prob |
| 15:30 | <seanh-ansca> | eagles0513875> atm ubuntu 10.04 on linode = bad |
| 15:30 | <seanh-ansca> | ? |
| 15:30 | <SnoFox> | akerl: Its bleeding edge style causes lots of breakage. Servers are supposed to be stable. When you randomly switch out python for python3 and break all my Python stuff, including Arch's own rankmirrors script (iirc), I find that a bad thing on a server. |
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| 15:30 | <@akerl> | SnoFox: The answer there is "Don't blindly upgrade". |
| 15:30 | <robbbie> | a lot of times you don't want to use the package manager or repos for things like python or ruby, etc. |
| 15:31 | <@akerl> | <3 pacman; it expects you to be smart and do your job |
| 15:31 | <SnoFox> | Gentoo > Debian-based > Arch |
| 15:31 | <dwfreed> | SnoFox++; |
| 15:31 | <eagles0513875> | seanh-ansca: no compared to other os's ubuntu 10.04 = rock solid and fine |
| 15:31 | <eagles0513875> | think workbench is the issue |
| 15:32 | <eagles0513875> | but whats odd is how i can connect on one mac and not the other |
| 15:32 | <robbbie> | wth is workbench anyway? >:P |
| 15:32 | <eagles0513875> | mysql workbench |
| 15:32 | <robbbie> | never used it myself |
| 15:32 | <eagles0513875> | they end of lifed query browser and administrator and merged them into one application with the added feature of being able to use EED's |
| 15:32 | <eagles0513875> | in a nut shell graphical front end for mysql |
| 15:33 | <eagles0513875> | which is a million times better then phpmyadmin junk |
| 15:34 | <eagles0513875> | i killed chat it seems |
| 15:36 | <dcraig> | talking smack about phpmyadmin is guaranteed to piss everyone off :P |
| 15:37 | <seanh-ansca> | mysql cli ftw! |
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| 15:42 | <EugeneKay> | HeidiSQL <3 |
| 15:42 | <eagles0513875> | dcraig: maybe it will but before you lash out at me try out mysql workbench |
| 15:42 | <eagles0513875> | then ull realize what a piece of crap phpmyadmin really is |
| 15:42 | <eagles0513875> | oh joy i have a glitchy ps2 mouse on this pc |
| 15:42 | <dcraig> | I was joking |
| 15:43 | <eagles0513875> | oh |
| 15:43 | <seanh-ansca> | eagles0513875: make sure you clean your ball |
| 15:43 | <@mikegrb> | lulz |
| 15:43 | <eagles0513875> | lol |
| 15:43 | <eagles0513875> | seanh-ansca: ? |
| 15:43 | <dcraig> | also scrape the crap off the rollers |
| 15:43 | <dcraig> | sometimes tweezers are helpful |
| 15:43 | <@mikegrb> | lulz |
| 15:43 | <eagles0513875> | lol |
| 15:43 | <eagles0513875> | i have no idea what you guys are on about im mentally and physically worn out this evening |
| 15:43 | <dcraig> | the sorta diagonal roller that is all springy is kinda difficult to work with |
| 15:44 | <@mikegrb> | lulz |
| 15:44 | <eagles0513875> | damn i need to get hold of the source code for the crm i am using and revamp it lol |
| 15:44 | <seanh-ansca> | i was assumine ps2 mouse == ball mouse, and then making a pun about you cleaning your singular ball |
| 15:45 | * | seanh-ansca is snarky today |
| 15:45 | <dcraig> | I recently bought two ps/2 optical mice |
| 15:45 | <eagles0513875> | no laser mouse actually |
| 15:45 | <eagles0513875> | mines optical 2 |
| 15:45 | <@mikegrb> | lulz |
| 15:45 | <eagles0513875> | its bout 4 yrs old now lol |
| 15:45 | <dcraig> | I was really excited I'd have a scroll wheel, but then it turns out NT 4 doesn't have native support for scroll wheels :( |
| 15:46 | <eagles0513875> | starts acting up i just give it a smack a few times on my desk lol |
| 15:46 | <eagles0513875> | PETA PEOPLE NO MICE WERE ACTUALLY HARMED :P |
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| 15:46 | <EugeneKay> | Why not? |
| 15:46 | <eagles0513875> | its a computer mouse |
| 15:47 | <seanh-ansca> | dcraig: iirc you could install the logitec stuff to get scroll working, but i haven't touched nt4 in 12 years? |
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| 15:47 | <EugeneKay> | For good reason, too. |
| 15:48 | <dcraig> | well there aren't XP drivers for these ISA cards... |
| 15:48 | <eagles0513875> | why run winblows to begin with |
| 15:48 | <seanh-ansca> | eagles0513875: other than there are good business cases for it? (end user familiarity etc) |
| 15:49 | <seanh-ansca> | dcraig: what in the world are you doing, maintaining a museum? |
| 15:49 | <eagles0513875> | seanh-ansca: im sure microsoft EOLed it ages ago why run something thats not getting updates and patches etc |
| 15:49 | <EugeneKay> | ISA cards still exist? |
| 15:49 | <EugeneKay> | Wtf? |
| 15:49 | <seanh-ansca> | eagles0513875: i was talking about the generic windows comment, i agree about the nt4 thing oi |
| 15:49 | <EugeneKay> | I thought they were outlawed for human rights reasons along with IRQs years ago. |
| 15:49 | <dcraig> | the computers are hooked up to some old instruments |
| 15:50 | <eagles0513875> | sry seanh-ansca i didnt mean to offend you with the windows comment |
| 15:50 | <seanh-ansca> | :-p |
| 15:50 | <eagles0513875> | only use i have for it is gaming other then that i can live happily on mac and linux |
| 15:50 | <EugeneKay> | Also, I just tried to install MySQL Workbench. First thing the installer did was error out because I don't have some Visual C++ redistrubitable |
| 15:50 | <seanh-ansca> | eagles0513875: i just get annoyed at silly os wars |
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| 15:50 | <EugeneKay> | And that's as far as I care to bother. |
| 15:50 | <eagles0513875> | EugeneKay: the visual c++ 2010 |
| 15:50 | <@mikegrb> | lulz |
| 15:50 | <eagles0513875> | lol and you need the .net 4.0 client framework too |
| 15:51 | <EugeneKay> | Yeah, that. If they can't be arsed to package it, I won't be bothering. |
| 15:51 | <eagles0513875> | EugeneKay: you have linux |
| 15:51 | <EugeneKay> | In a VM, I suppose. |
| 15:51 | <eagles0513875> | try it in a linux vm |
| 15:51 | <eagles0513875> | EugeneKay: i gotta be honest i cant be assed with alot of things if they are only on windows |
| 15:51 | <@mikegrb> | lulz |
| 15:51 | <eagles0513875> | thats why it blows lol :p |
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| 15:52 | <EugeneKay> | I'm gonna agree with mikegrb |
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| 15:53 | <eagles0513875> | haha |
| 15:53 | <eagles0513875> | woot 155 out of 444 tables imported onto my new linode which is going to be my web server :) |
| 15:54 | <eagles0513875> | is it possible with squirrelmail to have it connect to a remote mail server or does squirrelmail need to be installed on the same machine as the mail server itself |
| 15:57 | <dcraig> | I've used a squirrelmail install that got its mail from another server... |
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| 15:58 | <eagles0513875> | ok kool dcraig |
| 15:59 | <EugeneKay> | AFAIK it works over IMAP |
| 15:59 | <eagles0513875> | right now top priority is getting my websites migrated and domains and mx entries etc |
| 15:59 | <eagles0513875> | even imaps |
| 16:00 | <EugeneKay> | "It can be installed on almost all web servers as long as PHP is present and the web server has access to an IMAP and SMTP server." |
| 16:00 | <eagles0513875> | ok kool :) |
| 16:00 | <EugeneKay> | Should be no problem, then. |
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| 16:00 | <eagles0513875> | ya right now i want to get my sites migrated and get rid of my godaddy vps and get the rest of my money back on it |
| 16:01 | <EugeneKay> | I wonder why Linode hasn't gotten into the registrar business |
| 16:01 | <@caker> | $0.50/year isn't worth it. |
| 16:01 | <eagles0513875> | EugeneKay: its not cheap to get into it dude |
| 16:02 | <EugeneKay> | enom reselling at-cost isn't /that/ hard. |
| 16:02 | <eagles0513875> | need at least from what i remember looking up as i wanted to take my business in that direction you need to spend at least 50,000 a year in IANA fees |
| 16:02 | <eagles0513875> | its rather rediculous tbh |
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| 16:03 | <eagles0513875> | does linode own their own dc's or do they colocate servers in a number of dc's |
| 16:03 | <EugeneKay> | Bah, maybe I'm just spoiled... family business used to be the only alternate registrar. |
| 16:04 | <EugeneKay> | Colo. |
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| 16:04 | <EugeneKay> | https://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php/Network |
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| 16:05 | <eagles0513875> | would love to setup my own dc and isp here in malta |
| 16:05 | <eagles0513875> | the 2 isps we have here are crap |
| 16:06 | <eagles0513875> | adn the dc i worked at is majorly over priced |
| 16:06 | <@heckman> | Have fun with that |
| 16:06 | <EugeneKay> | DC costs boil down to power bills |
| 16:07 | <EugeneKay> | Unless you're based in Canada, every watt you burn on servers had to be burnt again in the A/C plant. |
| 16:07 | <eagles0513875> | EugeneKay: i know |
| 16:07 | <eagles0513875> | here in malta its super expensive |
| 16:07 | <eagles0513875> | the dc i worked at hell they paid for one month of electricity i noticed 30 thousand euros |
| 16:08 | <eagles0513875> | but here companies dont know how to take advantage of alternative electricity |
| 16:08 | <eagles0513875> | we have alot of wind and sun here |
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| 16:08 | <eagles0513875> | and thats what im aiming at at running low power consuming server arm based or intel atom based |
| 16:08 | <eagles0513875> | and use green energy to be selfsustainable from the grid |
| 16:10 | <eagles0513875> | heckman: and EugeneKay check out these guys :D http://seamicro.com |
| 16:10 | <eagles0513875> | they use intel atom n550 dual core procs which are also 64bit |
| 16:10 | <eagles0513875> | and in 1 10U server you have 512 cores |
| 16:10 | <@mikegrb> | lulz |
| 16:10 | <eagles0513875> | lol |
| 16:10 | <eagles0513875> | if you watch the video or one of the videos i saw they said in a 15ft by 20 ft room |
| 16:10 | <eagles0513875> | they were hosting 20,000 servers |
| 16:11 | <eagles0513875> | they use modular card design as well :) |
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| 16:11 | <eagles0513875> | u guys are speechless regarding seamicro servers? |
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| 16:16 | <zoolert> | help linode tech |
| 16:16 | <zoolert> | I could not boot up my system!!! |
| 16:16 | <eagles0513875> | did you hit the power on button ? |
| 16:17 | <eagles0513875> | the boot button |
| 16:17 | <zoolert> | yes, but it failed three times |
| 16:19 | <dwfreed> | zoolert: usually the manager will tell you exactly why the boot failed; in any case, it's usually faster to open a support ticket, then a staff member can poke your linode and figure out why it's not booting, and either fix it, or tell you what you need to do for it to work |
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| 16:21 | <zoolert> | please help I got the message /dev/xvda has been mounted 39 times without being check, check force |
| 16:21 | <zoolert> | what does it meat? |
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| 16:22 | <seanh-ansca> | eagles0513875: what kind of heat load does that output at that density? |
| 16:23 | <seanh-ansca> | assuming you're doing VM's you might be able to get larger beefier machines doing the same work |
| 16:23 | <dwfreed> | zoolert: that just means that you've rebooted your linode a fair amount and the automated disk checker is just verifying that the disk is okay |
| 16:23 | <@caker> | reboot and let the fsck finish - don't control-c it |
| 16:23 | <zoolert> | ok, how long does it take? |
| 16:23 | <@caker> | until it's done - usually just a few minutes |
| 16:23 | <tjfontaine> | what can you tell me about JaqueN JaqueP Jaque JakeF and Guest19118? other than what I already know they're all coming from the same host |
| 16:24 | <zoolert> | ok |
| 16:24 | <zoolert> | [/sbin/fsck.ext3 (1) -- /][/sbin/fsck.ext3 (1) -- /] fsck.ext3 -a /dev/xvda /dev/xvda has been mounted 40 times without being checked, check forced. |
| 16:24 | <dwfreed> | zoolert: yes, just let it run; it's harmless |
| 16:24 | <zoolert> | do you think it will come up? |
| 16:25 | <@caker> | tjfontaine: chat.linode.com cgi peeps looks like ... probably zombied by now |
| 16:25 | <EugeneKay> | BRAINZ? |
| 16:26 | <zoolert> | dwfreed, how long does it take for fsck to run? |
| 16:26 | <tjfontaine> | caker: ya, I mean it's the same ip through the cgi, it's amazing some of those have idle times upwards of 3 days :) |
| 16:26 | <dwfreed> | EugeneKay: BRAINS! |
| 16:26 | <tjfontaine> | caker: do you mind if I kill them off? |
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| 16:26 | <dwfreed> | zoolert: like caker said, until it finishes; it usually only takes a minute or to, but sometimes can take up to 10 |
| 16:26 | <tjfontaine> | caker: triggering an error since another client is trying to connect from that ip |
| 16:26 | <@caker> | oh gotcha -- you'd be amazed .. a year or two goes by before I end up killall-ing those or restarting that box .. a surprising amount of them are hangers-on and drop off the channel |
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| 16:26 | <@caker> | go for it, tjfontaine |
| 16:27 | <tjfontaine> | k! |
| 16:27 | <ajmitch> | fun, zombie killing |
| 16:27 | <zoolert> | thanks everyone, it going back up now |
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| 16:27 | <avenj> | +1 for ruthlessness, -1 for lack of creative kill messages |
| 16:27 | <tjfontaine> | heh |
| 16:27 | <@caker> | tjfontaine: did we hit the conn limit? |
| 16:27 | <avenj> | tjfontaine: <3 |
| 16:28 | <tjfontaine> | caker: the global limit wasn't hit, you're in the same class as mibbit, but there's a user@host limit that we don't usually except |
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| 16:28 | <@caker> | ok .. yeah more worried about conlimit than user@host |
| 16:29 | <@caker> | moar conn for my bolg! |
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| 16:29 | <tjfontaine> | ya I generally just up the limit when you or mibbit hit it :) |
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| 16:37 | <swaj> | caker: you should go killall those processes and see how man people drop :P |
| 16:37 | <swaj> | many* |
| 16:37 | <SnoFox> | Login to every Linode and killall irssi/weechat/screen. |
| 16:37 | <SnoFox> | ??? |
| 16:37 | <SnoFox> | (Un)profit! |
| 16:38 | <tjfontaine> | swaj: larger count are those irc'ing from *.members.linode.com :) |
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| 16:39 | <azaghal> | Don't touch my irssi session, damn it :/ |
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| 16:40 | <@mikegrb> | ruflz |
| 16:40 | <swaj> | man, 768 cores of 1.66 GHz Atom processors, rofl |
| 16:40 | <swaj> | I'd like to make -j700 or something with the linux kernel on a box like that |
| 16:41 | <swaj> | see it compile in 30 seconds |
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| 16:41 | <tjfontaine> | except for all that io |
| 16:41 | <swaj> | yeah :P |
| 16:41 | <kamilion> | SnoFox: Okay, what'd you do? screen[25768]: segfault at bf6681f0 ip 0804d91d sp bf6681f0 error 6 in screen[8048000+57000] |
| 16:42 | <swaj> | kamilion: learn2tmux :P |
| 16:42 | <SnoFox> | kamilion: Kill ALL the screens! |
| 16:42 | * | kamilion laughs |
| 16:42 | <SnoFox> | kamilion: Lose all the IRC sessions :( |
| 16:42 | <kamilion> | yep |
| 16:42 | <kamilion> | swaj: Will do that, I was procrastinating with byobu. |
| 16:42 | <Nivex> | those of us using tmux are safe |
| 16:43 | <@mikegrb> | lulz |
| 16:43 | <SnoFox> | kamilion: Where'd you randomly pull that error message from anyway? Lol |
| 16:43 | <kamilion> | dmesg. |
| 16:43 | <swaj> | I think I might need a new irssi theme, this one is getting boring :P |
| 16:43 | <SnoFox> | mikegrb: I will eat you. |
| 16:43 | <kamilion> | screen died sometime last night |
| 16:44 | <SnoFox> | Ah. |
| 16:44 | <SnoFox> | Oh, wow, screen crashes are in dmesg? |
| 16:44 | <kamilion> | segfaults, yeah. |
| 16:44 | <SnoFox> | I could've used that a while ago. :< |
| 16:44 | -!- | nik [~Nikolai@li335-20.members.linode.com] has joined #linode |
| 16:44 | <SnoFox> | I hit something and screen crashed. |
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| 16:46 | <kamilion> | eh, doesn't bug me at all really |
| 16:46 | <kamilion> | weechat was connected to a bnc anyway |
| 16:47 | <kamilion> | I'm not sure if the rest of the terminals managed to save their history though |
| 16:47 | <kamilion> | my .bash_history seems awfully small :/ |
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| 16:52 | <chesty> | twss |
| 16:53 | <swaj> | man I didn't eat lunch today... |
| 16:53 | <swaj> | I'm freakin hungry |
| 16:54 | <swaj> | Perihelion: make me a sammich |
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| 16:57 | <tom> | how to empy my q mail? |
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| 17:00 | <bob2> | you're using qmail? |
| 17:01 | <tom> | yes, |
| 17:02 | <bob2> | is it too late to change |
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| 17:02 | <tjfontaine> | well theres your problem |
| 17:02 | <Tanner> | swaj: neither did I :( |
| 17:03 | <edoceo> | mmmmm tacos |
| 17:03 | <tom> | i need to delete only one email from my mail queue. How do i do that? |
| 17:03 | <edoceo> | tom: stop qmail, remove the file from the queue dir |
| 17:03 | <edoceo> | start qmail |
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| 17:05 | <tom> | is there any way to delete an email that stuck in the queue for a long time without stop/start qmail? |
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| 17:13 | <tom> | thanks edoceo, I got that but need to find away that I don't have stop qmail. |
| 17:13 | <edoceo> | you can remove the file while it's running, there are no file locks |
| 17:14 | <JakeFS> | question: if we buy 2 linodes (1DB and 1web server), do we get to use cumulative transfer on the web node? OR is it per-node trasfer allotment? |
| 17:14 | <@heckman> | All transfer is pooled on your account |
| 17:14 | <@heckman> | You can even use the private network so your Linodes have low-latency communication that doesn't tax the transfer pool. |
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| 17:14 | <@heckman> | Private network only works in the same DC, however. |
| 17:15 | <JakeFS> | so we can use up the entire pool on the Web server? |
| 17:15 | <@heckman> | Correct |
| 17:15 | <@heckman> | Incoming traffic is free also, so you only get taxed for outgoing traffic |
| 17:16 | <seanh-ansca> | JakeFS: i hit my load bal's transfer limit in ~24 hrs, and use all my other nodes bandwidth pool for the rest of the month ;-p |
| 17:16 | <seanh-ansca> | so it really does work that way |
| 17:16 | <JakeFS> | also, what's a good linode spec to deploy HAProxy? |
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| 17:17 | <JakeFS> | what is a good linode spec to deploy HAProxy on? |
| 17:17 | <tjfontaine> | perhaps you are interested in the NodeBalancer product? |
| 17:18 | <JakeFS> | NodeBalancer will work. Just want to compare it to HAProxy |
| 17:18 | <seanh-ansca> | i would use the nodebal unless there's something that it's missing (like ssl termination ) |
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| 17:18 | <JakeFS> | ssl is something we will definitely need |
| 17:19 | <JakeFS> | so HAProxy is still a good contender |
| 17:19 | <seanh-ansca> | i do nginx+pacemaker as lb's for my web stuff, and nodebal for a different project (a rest api that doesn't need ssl) |
| 17:19 | <bob2> | haproxy <3 |
| 17:19 | <@caker> | better to horizontally scale ssl across the backends. also, haproxy itself doesn't do ssl |
| 17:19 | <seanh-ansca> | you can do ssl via nodebal but you have to do the termination of the ssl connection on the web server instead of the lb |
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| 17:20 | <seanh-ansca> | just depends on your setup and how you want to do it |
| 17:20 | <bob2> | JakeFS, coincidentally, lowest end linode costs exactly as much as a nodebalancer instance |
| 17:20 | <@caker> | except NodeBalancer is in an clustered HA setup, which would require at least a couple Linodes to replicate |
| 17:20 | <bob2> | only sad part is that all of the above aside from pacemaker loses the client IP for ssl |
| 17:21 | <seanh-ansca> | bob2: forwarded-for? |
| 17:21 | <bob2> | seanh-ansca, not supported by haproxy or nodebalancer |
| 17:21 | <JakeFS> | interesting... I thought there is a workaround for SSL on HAProxy?. |
| 17:21 | <@caker> | NodeBalancer is also: point, click, and you're done. |
| 17:21 | <seanh-ansca> | bob2: … i think i'm using it behind a NB... |
| 17:21 | * | seanh-ansca goes and checks |
| 17:22 | <bob2> | forwarded-for would require terminating the ssl stream |
| 17:22 | <seanh-ansca> | OH |
| 17:22 | <seanh-ansca> | in ssl |
| 17:22 | <dwfreed> | bob2: or MITMing it :) |
| 17:22 | <seanh-ansca> | i'm using my nb in http mode with no ssl |
| 17:22 | <bob2> | haproxy has a bit of hack in 1.5 that """encapsulates""" ssl in a protocol that can forward the client ip |
| 17:22 | <bob2> | I don't know what backends work with it |
| 17:23 | <seanh-ansca> | bob2: now i see what you mean, i think you're right |
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| 17:38 | <nealey> | did undernet block all dallas linodes or just me? |
| 17:38 | -!- | nealey is now known as neale |
| 17:39 | <tjfontaine> | neale: waiting, waiting ... |
| 17:41 | <SnoFox> | ... Waiting... |
| 17:41 | <SnoFox> | Oh, let me check. I'm in Dallas. |
| 17:41 | <SnoFox> | What's undernet's address? irc.undernet.org ? |
| 17:42 | <tjfontaine> | irc.undernet.org will suffice |
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| 17:42 | <SnoFox> | 02:42pm [UN] Your host is Lidingo.SE.EU.Undernet.org, running version u2.10.12.14 |
| 17:42 | <tjfontaine> | neale: seems I hit just a slow node, I'm in |
| 17:43 | <SnoFox> | This, btw: |
| 17:43 | <SnoFox> | 02:41pm [UN] (irc.undernet.org)*** Ident broken or disabled, to continue to connect you must type /QUOTE PASS 14613 |
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| 17:43 | <SnoFox> | Is annoying |
| 17:43 | <linbot> | New news from forums: Deploying two VMs on one linode in General Discussion <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=8164>; |
| 17:43 | <SnoFox> | Uh... Wat? |
| 17:44 | <neale> | huh. |
| 17:44 | <neale> | I wonder what bot they think I'm running, because I'm certainly not aware of any. |
| 17:44 | <SnoFox> | What, they banned you? |
| 17:45 | <SnoFox> | What is Undernet's normal ban method, btw? AKill? K:line? |
| 17:45 | <kyhwana> | -.- |
| 17:45 | <SnoFox> | What. Practically every network seems to have their own word for "ban". |
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| 17:46 | <@caker> | !killdashnine |
| 17:46 | <linbot> | http://graphics.stanford.edu/~monzy/KillDashNine.mp3 |
| 17:46 | <SnoFox> | Oh I gotta hear this. |
| 17:46 | <SnoFox> | Come on tethering, don't fail me now! |
| 17:46 | <neale> | tjfontaine: odd. every time I said "us.undernet.org" it was sending me to quebec. |
| 17:46 | <SnoFox> | MC++ XD |
| 17:46 | <kyhwana> | Hurrah, im at home *answers that silly forum post* |
| 17:47 | <tjfontaine> | neale: their rotation is huge, I blame dns |
| 17:47 | <SnoFox> | OH MY GOD CAKER |
| 17:47 | <SnoFox> | That is amazing! |
| 17:47 | <@caker> | SnoFox: it is _the_ best nerd song, ever. |
| 17:47 | <@caker> | you should read the lyrics |
| 17:48 | <SnoFox> | I'm trying not to flip out with laughter in the middle of the student commons right now. |
| 17:48 | <@caker> | SnoFox: http://www.monzy.com/intro/killdashnine_lyrics.html |
| 17:49 | <SnoFox> | I might have to finish this later. |
| 17:49 | <linbot> | New news from wiki: Internal Services <http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php?title=Internal_Services&diff=4409&oldid=prev>; |
| 17:49 | <SnoFox> | Yeah, brb, gotta head to class. |
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| 17:51 | <disinpho> | anyone here running wordpress on nginx? |
| 17:51 | <@heckman> | I do it. Don't ask me how it works tho as I set it up a long time ago, hah |
| 17:51 | <disinpho> | heh |
| 17:51 | <disinpho> | mine is working, but it wont generate thumbnails i think it might be gd-related |
| 17:51 | <@heckman> | Ah, I've not tried to do anything thumbnail-wise. |
| 17:52 | <tjfontaine> | disinpho: probably your rewrites for images not passing to index.php |
| 17:52 | <disinpho> | ah, that makes sense |
| 17:53 | <disinpho> | i use try_files $uri $uri/ /index.php; |
| 17:53 | <tjfontaine> | yes but do you have a clause for images? |
| 17:53 | <tjfontaine> | say for caching purposes? |
| 17:53 | <disinpho> | no |
| 17:53 | <disinpho> | i only have one for location ~ \.php$ { |
| 17:54 | <disinpho> | for fastcgi |
| 17:54 | <tjfontaine> | ok well I think the issue is still in rewrites, check your logs for the 404s |
| 17:55 | <disinpho> | i managed to get a TimThumbs error at one point |
| 17:55 | <disinpho> | it indicated GD |
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| 17:55 | <disinpho> | ill check the logs, might have been both |
| 17:55 | <@heckman> | disinpho: I'd be very careful with TimThumbs |
| 17:55 | <disinpho> | since installing gd didnt work |
| 17:55 | <tjfontaine> | disinpho: after you install php-gd you'd need to restart the php workers |
| 17:56 | <disinpho> | i did a service nginx restart only |
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| 18:01 | <SnoFox> | Back. caker, that's awesome. |
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| 18:02 | <disinpho> | I cant figure out whats wrong now, still cant choose image sizes in wordpress but i can upload and delete files via wordpress |
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| 18:03 | <disinpho> | at least now GD shows up in phpinfo as it should |
| 18:04 | <disinpho> | aha |
| 18:04 | <disinpho> | a reboot worked, must have been the php workers(?) cause nginx restart didnt |
| 18:04 | <tjfontaine> | ahem |
| 18:05 | <disinpho> | meha |
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| 18:16 | <seanh-ansca> | anyone played with getting swig 2.0 onto lucid? |
| 18:16 | <bob2> | what for |
| 18:16 | <tjfontaine> | ohgod swig |
| 18:17 | <seanh-ansca> | binding c module to lua? |
| 18:17 | <tjfontaine> | just hand make the binding |
| 18:17 | <bob2> | i mean |
| 18:17 | <bob2> | did someone make you use swig 2.0 |
| 18:17 | <bob2> | or are you asking how to write your own bindings |
| 18:17 | <tjfontaine> | swig rarely speeds up the process of bindings |
| 18:18 | <seanh-ansca> | no, but there's a bug in the version that shipts with 10.04 re behavior in lua |
| 18:18 | <tjfontaine> | process of creating |
| 18:18 | <seanh-ansca> | tjfontaine: i would agree, but some one already wrote the swig code for the lib i'm trying to build |
| 18:18 | <@heckman> | tjfontaine: long time no see. How you been? |
| 18:18 | <seanh-ansca> | like, i already have it compiling |
| 18:18 | <tjfontaine> | heckman: alive my friend, alive |
| 18:18 | <seanh-ansca> | if that wasn't the case i totally agree, i'm just following the path of least resistance |
| 18:19 | <@heckman> | Haha. I guess that's a good way to look at it. ;p |
| 18:19 | <tjfontaine> | seanh-ansca: seems to be failing that righ tnow |
| 18:19 | <tjfontaine> | heckman: indeed |
| 18:19 | <seanh-ansca> | tjfontaine: well, it's still much less time that me binding it myself |
| 18:19 | <seanh-ansca> | i'll give it another hour or two and then just do it by hand |
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| 18:44 | <linbot> | New news from forums: VHCS Question in Web Servers and Web App Development <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=8162>; |
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| 18:51 | <apocalypse> | Hello can, anybudy help me configuring munin for my linode? |
| 18:51 | <@heckman> | apocalypse: Have you looked at the Linode Library articles? |
| 18:52 | <@heckman> | http://library.linode.com/server-monitoring/munin |
| 18:52 | <sirpengi> | http://www.linode.com/support/dists.cfm |
| 18:52 | <sirpengi> | who is the tech on duty? |
| 18:52 | <sirpengi> | heckman: ^^ |
| 18:52 | <@heckman> | Where the heck did you find that URL? |
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| 18:52 | <@heckman> | http://www.linode.com/faq.cfm#which-distributions-do-you-offer |
| 18:52 | <apocalypse> | Hi heckman, yes I did followed the linode Library, but all I got is an 403 error when I try to access the munin |
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| 18:53 | <@heckman> | That means that Apache2 cannot read the files for some reason. You'll want to check file permissions. |
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| 18:54 | <apocalypse> | So if I chmod 755 on the DocumentRoot for munin it'll work? |
| 18:55 | <bd_> | apocalypse: also all subdirectories need to have og+x, and all files have to have og+x |
| 18:55 | <bd_> | er |
| 18:55 | <bd_> | og+r for the files |
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| 18:58 | <sirpengi> | heckman: friends says he got it off of google |
| 18:58 | <sirpengi> | *friend |
| 18:58 | <@heckman> | What did he search for? |
| 18:58 | <bd_> | Your search - site:linode.com inurl:dists.cfm - did not match any documents. |
| 18:58 | <apocalypse> | heckman: I already have the permissions ok, for files and folders, and all I get is an: "You don't have permission to access / on this server." on the browser |
| 18:59 | <bd_> | apocalypse: you're probably missing an index.html, and don't have indexes enabled |
| 18:59 | <bd_> | either that or you're missing +r on the directory and/or index file |
| 18:59 | <sirpengi> | heckman: was looking for drive specs on linode |
| 18:59 | <@heckman> | apocalypse: So either your vhost isn't pointing to the directory you think it is. |
| 18:59 | <@heckman> | OIr the permissions are broken. |
| 18:59 | <sirpengi> | trying to figure out what the 'nodes run on |
| 18:59 | <@heckman> | sirpengi: they run on servers |
| 19:00 | <bob2> | $undisclosed drives from [redacted] |
| 19:00 | * | heckman has no idea how he got that site... |
| 19:00 | <@heckman> | Did he read an old forums post, maybe? |
| 19:01 | <bd_> | archive.org has it from aug 2010: http://web.archive.org/web/20100822004214/http://www.linode.com/support/dists.cfm |
| 19:01 | <bob2> | bah |
| 19:01 | <bd_> | so not so old post maybe? |
| 19:01 | <bob2> | 2fast |
| 19:02 | <@heckman> | > year = old |
| 19:02 | <bd_> | no, _this_ is old: http://web.archive.org/web/20030813000744/http://www.linode.com/support/dists.cfm :) |
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| 19:02 | <sirpengi> | anyhow, you guys should just do redirect or have an actual 404 |
| 19:04 | <bd_> | http://web.archive.org/web/20031207143106/http://www.linode.com/products/network.cfm Just look at those server specs! A whole 3GB of RAM! 200GB RAID-1 disks! Talk about high-end! |
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| 19:07 | <bob2> | wonder where hosts 1-8 were |
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| 19:12 | <X-LP> | http://web.archive.org/web/20031207141226/http://www.linode.com/products/linodes.cfm |
| 19:12 | <X-LP> | 64mb ram :x |
| 19:12 | <bob2> | linode64 man |
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| 19:15 | <vraa> | ubuntu isn't listed? |
| 19:15 | <@caker> | ubuntu didn't exist. |
| 19:16 | <bob2> | ubuntu didn't exist until ~july 2004 |
| 19:16 | <bob2> | (first release in october 2004) |
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| 19:27 | <EugeneKay> | That wasn't Xen, was it? |
| 19:28 | <bob2> | uml |
| 19:32 | <linbot> | New news from forums: Recommendations on getting started ? in General Discussion <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=8165>; |
| 19:37 | <kamilion> | ahhh, I remember those versions of Red Hat. Before RHEL... |
| 19:38 | <kamilion> | Fedora Core 1... *chuckles* |
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| 19:38 | <tonyyarusso> | I found FC3 running on servers at work in 2008. |
| 19:39 | <kamilion> | Air gap'd? |
| 19:39 | <dwfreed> | tonyyarusso: with holes the size of urmom? |
| 19:40 | <tonyyarusso> | I didn't even want to know - we just did a quick inventory of what was running on them and replaced them with Ubuntu. |
| 19:40 | * | kamilion loves how easy you made that sound |
| 19:41 | <tonyyarusso> | It probably took 2 weeks total. |
| 19:42 | <kamilion> | I still have a couple embedded machines running 2.4... I don't even want to think about what could sneak into them, heh |
| 19:44 | <kamilion> | bout time to retire them, I could probably sweep them all into a decent home router these days... think those buffalo WZR series are around 600Mhz with 128MB. |
| 19:45 | <tonyyarusso> | What sorts of tasks are they doing? |
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| 19:48 | <kamilion> | one's a linksys NSLU2 running debian, dealing with a USB serial converter and a 30GB USB harddrive, another 120Mhz arm devkit board doing logging to network, some other misc tasks, mostly cheap arms with old USB disk enclosures I had laying around |
| 19:49 | <kamilion> | alot of them cost more than one of those buffalo routers at $65 |
| 19:50 | <kamilion> | been waiting on some cheap ARM stuff like the raspberrypi and beaglebone |
| 19:51 | <kamilion> | reaching up into the Ghz range finally |
| 19:53 | <kamilion> | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/11/28/raspberry_pi/ |
| 19:54 | <spaden> | My Linode went down? |
| 19:54 | <spaden> | The server at manager.linode.com is taking too long to respond. <- on the web page |
| 19:54 | <spaden> | DNS seems to be working locally.. |
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| 19:57 | <spaden> | Seems to be a local issue. |
| 19:57 | <spaden> | Is anyone getting this... |
| 19:57 | <bob2> | no |
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| 20:02 | <kyhwana> | uh oh |
| 20:03 | <kyhwana> | https://labs.ripe.net/Members/emileaben/the-curious-case-of-128.0-16 My dallas node cant ping 128.0.0.1, my dsl connection at home can |
| 20:03 | <encode> | my fremont node can ping 128.0.0.1 |
| 20:04 | <bob2> | can you ping 1.1.1.1 |
| 20:04 | <encode> | no |
| 20:05 | <encode> | does it exist? |
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| 20:07 | <kyhwana> | it should do |
| 20:08 | <kyhwana> | but 128.0.0.1, does |
| 20:08 | <kyhwana> | can't do reverse either.. http://www.ris.ripe.net/cgi-bin/debogon.cgi?source=128.0.0.1&destination=173.255.206.137&action=ping&submit=Submit+Query |
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| 20:13 | <@heckman> | Hm, that 128.0.0.0/8 filter is interesting |
| 20:13 | <@heckman> | I'd forgotten that range had been released. |
| 20:13 | <dwfreed> | Hmm, I wonder what Hamachi uses now that 5/8 has been debogoned |
| 20:13 | <kyhwana> | heckman: I assume that's theplanet/networklayer doing that? or you guys? |
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| 20:13 | <kyhwana> | dwfreed: still 5/8 afaik |
| 20:13 | <@heckman> | Not us. |
| 20:14 | <kyhwana> | heckman: can you bump that to whoever is the upstream in dallas? |
| 20:14 | <Nivex> | exhaust all the IPs! |
| 20:14 | <dwfreed> | kyhwana: a traceroute might tell you; my uni's pings to 128/8 is filtered by our isp's router |
| 20:15 | <@heckman> | Looks like it may be outside of their network. But I may be able to give em a poke. |
| 20:15 | <KyleXY> | heckman: in the dallas datacenter? |
| 20:15 | <kyhwana> | http://pastie.org/2978133 is a mtr |
| 20:15 | <KyleXY> | heckman: On my node: ping: icmp open socket: Operation not permitted |
| 20:15 | <KyleXY> | heh |
| 20:15 | <KyleXY> | err |
| 20:15 | <@heckman> | What are you breaking? |
| 20:15 | <KyleXY> | that's just me nevermind |
| 20:16 | <KyleXY> | no idea why the fuck that isn't working but me |
| 20:16 | <KyleXY> | h |
| 20:16 | <KyleXY> | anywho: better result. |
| 20:16 | <KyleXY> | 16 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 14999ms |
| 20:16 | <dwfreed> | Charter works (at least in Michigan) |
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| 20:52 | <maushu> | http://blog.pinboard.in/2011/12/don_t_be_a_free_user/ |
| 20:52 | <maushu> | "Your time is spent firefighting and your money all goes to the nice people at Linode." |
| 20:52 | <maushu> | I don't think they mind. |
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| 20:58 | <EugeneKay> | the freemium busines model works well. |
| 20:59 | <EugeneKay> | Github, for instance. |
| 20:59 | <fo0bar> | > DISCLAIMER: I run a paid bookmarking site. Every morning I wake up and dive into my vault of golden coins. |
| 21:00 | <bob2> | works well [for some business models in some markets] |
| 21:00 | <fo0bar> | I run a free bookmarking site. I haven't made one cent from it, but that's ok because I built it for myself, and occasionally someone else uses it :) |
| 21:00 | <poutine> | EugeneKay, Is github rolling in money or something? I'm not sure they can be considered a success story yet |
| 21:00 | <poutine> | they sure as hell are dishonest with their "number of repos" quote |
| 21:00 | <poutine> | every patch, every pastebin entry is a repo to github's stats on repo hosting |
| 21:00 | <EugeneKay> | poutine - they're making enough money to keep the lights on independently ;-) |
| 21:01 | <bob2> | oh no |
| 21:01 | <poutine> | EugeneKay, eh I think you're ill informed on this one, how do you know they're not burning through VC? |
| 21:01 | <EugeneKay> | The fact that they haven't taken and VC |
| 21:01 | <EugeneKay> | s/and/any |
| 21:02 | <EugeneKay> | An article from last year on the topic: http://techcrunch.com/2010/07/24/github-one-million/ |
| 21:02 | <rnowak> | VC is the death of visions, you sell your soul! |
| 21:02 | <poutine> | I stand corrected on the VC issue |
| 21:03 | <poutine> | I'm still not convinced on how healthy their financials are |
| 21:03 | <EugeneKay> | Me neither - they're a private company. But they're not jacking up rates, and their Blog says they're hiring(and growing) at a decent clip. |
| 21:04 | <EugeneKay> | In much the same way that Linode is clearly not burning the VC funding they don't have ;-) |
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| 21:04 | <poutine> | I'm not convinced of linode's financial success yet either, but I do like them as a company |
| 21:04 | <rnowak> | http://www.inc.com/inc5000/profile/linode |
| 21:05 | <EugeneKay> | 3-year growth: 1097% |
| 21:05 | <poutine> | I worked for a company that was 69 on that list a few years ago that is now in shambles |
| 21:05 | <EugeneKay> | I don't doubt it. |
| 21:05 | <poutine> | it's a tough world, up and coming startups aren't really the best indicator for long term success |
| 21:05 | <Nivex> | Linode's just a bunch of geeks working out of a tiny office! (and I wouldn't have it any other way :) |
| 21:05 | <EugeneKay> | Never underestimate the ability of a CEO to snort the profits. |
| 21:06 | <@heckman> | We've been doing this for 8 years. |
| 21:06 | * | akerl enjoys the tiny office. |
| 21:06 | <@heckman> | Not sure startup still applies. |
| 21:06 | <poutine> | not that jed has ever badmouthed the company, but he clearly found better prospects |
| 21:06 | <Nivex> | "Each according to their gifts." |
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| 21:08 | <technocrat> | a |
| 21:08 | <technocrat> | \join #anchor |
| 21:08 | <EugeneKay> | \fail |
| 21:08 | <rnowak> | \lulz |
| 21:08 | <technocrat> | \agreed |
| 21:09 | <Nivex> | \paragraph What is this? \LaTeX ? |
| 21:09 | <rnowak> | \kill{Nivex} |
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| 21:12 | <Nivex> | ! Too many }'s. |
| 21:12 | <@caker> | http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s320x320/389911_2623814148362_1045490302_2846970_1547101351_n.jpg |
| 21:12 | <rnowak> | haha |
| 21:12 | <Nivex> | oww |
| 21:12 | <tonyyarusso> | Oh god |
| 21:13 | <@Perihelion> | My brain :( |
| 21:13 | <rnowak> | all the apostrophe's |
| 21:13 | <dwhite> | I was talking with some folks last night about what they thought about Webmin... |
| 21:13 | <dwhite> | My Goal: To give my web hosting clients (on multiple, separate domains) an easy way to manage their own passwords for email, SFTP accounts, etc... |
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| 21:14 | <dwhite> | So after talking w/ some folks last night about webmin, I got to thinking: Why not use LDAP? I use Drupal on my own website, and can integrate that with LDAP so that users can change their password through the Drupal interface |
| 21:14 | <tonyyarusso> | Apostrophe ALL the things! |
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| 21:14 | <dwhite> | (that's also where I handle my support tickets) |
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| 21:14 | <rnowak> | If you know what you're doing with LDAP, go ahead, if you don't, you're in for a ride, maybe. |
| 21:14 | <tonyyarusso> | dwhite: That works |
| 21:15 | * | tonyyarusso needs to learn more about ldap |
| 21:15 | <dwhite> | My thought is this: use OpenLDAP. I already use Postfix, and it can support LDAP, as can Dovecot (my email authentiation). I already know how to get Drupal configured properly to change LDAP passwords |
| 21:15 | <dwhite> | So... yeah. Seems like a really good solution |
| 21:16 | <StevenK> | tonyyarusso: LDAP is good, learn it. |
| 21:16 | <dwhite> | What are you guys' thoughts on using it for multiple domains, though? |
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| 21:16 | <dwhite> | instead of 1 domain with many users, it would be the other way around |
| 21:16 | <rnowak> | There's no problem with that |
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| 21:17 | <tonyyarusso> | StevenK: Books have been purchased and web sites bookmarked, just not read. |
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| 21:17 | <pkwong> | problems in atlanta? |
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| 21:17 | <EugeneKay> | !linstatus |
| 21:17 | <linbot> | Think something is wrong? Check out http://status.linode.com |
| 21:18 | <@heckman> | ATL looks good to me |
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| 21:18 | <pkwong> | I'm lagging to hell... my endpoints are connecting and dropping and etc.. |
| 21:18 | <dwfreed> | tonyyarusso: wrap your head around this: OpenLDAP stores it's config in the directory, so you use LDAP to configure the LDAP server |
| 21:19 | <dwfreed> | s/it's/its/ |
| 21:19 | <tonyyarusso> | That reminds me - I need to look up this IP. Fail2ban flagged one in HE's Fremont facility. |
| 21:19 | <Nivex> | or, yo dawg, I heard you like LDAP.... |
| 21:19 | * | Nivex is not looking forward to upgrading to OpenLDAP 2.4 |
| 21:19 | <@heckman> | pkwong: MTRs are your friend. Generate one from both ends to see where the loss is |
| 21:19 | <dwfreed> | Nivex: indeed |
| 21:19 | <pkwong> | !linstatus |
| 21:19 | <@heckman> | !mtr |
| 21:19 | <linbot> | Think something is wrong? Check out http://status.linode.com |
| 21:19 | <linbot> | mtr combines the functionality of traceroute and ping into one easy to use tool, and the output can be useful for determining where the source of a problem is. It can be downloaded from http://www.bitwizard.nl/mtr/ or http://winmtr.sourceforge.net/ for Windows. MTR summaries can be retrieved in-channel using the command !mtr-CITY where CITY is fremont, atlanta, newark, dallas or london. |
| 21:19 | <dwhite> | pkwong: Not sure where you're located, but we've been getting LOTS of rain just north of ATL in the Chattanooga area. That might be affecting things. |
| 21:20 | <dwfreed> | iirc, linode includes mtr in all of its base images |
| 21:20 | <pkwong> | I'm in Fl. |
| 21:20 | <dwhite> | Also, probably not related, but Global Crossing (a huge, tier 3 SIP provider) had some outages / issues today that affected the whole Eastern Seaboard |
| 21:20 | <dwhite> | We were affected |
| 21:21 | <tonyyarusso> | Is 184.105.177.173 in a Linode block? |
| 21:21 | <Nivex> | !ipinfo 184.105.177.173 |
| 21:21 | <linbot> | Nivex: IP: 184.105.177.173; rDNS: None; ASN adv net: 184.104.0.0/15; ASN: AS6939; ASN owner: Hurricane Electric, Inc.; Abuse contact(s): abuse@he.net; Net owner: Hurricane Electric, Inc.; City: Fremont; State: California; Postal code: 94539; Country: United States; http://revip.info/ipinfo/184.105.177.173 |
| 21:21 | <pkwong> | lovely.. looks like a problem with the linode host. |
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| 21:21 | <@heckman> | pkwong: What makes you think that? |
| 21:22 | <@heckman> | pkwong: What's your Linode's IP? |
| 21:22 | <pkwong> | 74.207.230.244 |
| 21:23 | <pkwong> | it was stable for months... now it's just got issues. |
| 21:23 | <pkwong> | just started today |
| 21:23 | <pkwong> | a reboot of the linode didn't help. |
| 21:23 | <boba> | Responds on port 80 |
| 21:24 | <pkwong> | yeah.. i'm using it as a pbx and it's been working fine for years.. |
| 21:24 | <pkwong> | my endpoints are lagging out, then coming back. |
| 21:24 | <dwfreed> | tonyyarusso: according to whois, that IP belongs to On Time Tech, Inc. |
| 21:24 | <@caker> | http://pingdumb.com/ <-- need to look at the route in both directions to see where the issue may be ... The Internet is big |
| 21:24 | <@heckman> | 0% loss from Newark, StDev of 0.1ms. Looks like it's a routing issue between you and endpoints. Not your host... |
| 21:24 | <dwhite> | pkwong: if you're using it as a PBX, look at my earlier comment: Global Crossing has been having issues today |
| 21:25 | <pkwong> | ahhh.. lovely.. |
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| 21:25 | <maushu> | Funny, didn't know about that pingdumb website. |
| 21:25 | <SnoFox> | Wow. I learn a lot from Linode. ._. |
| 21:25 | <maushu> | I need to find a collection of websites like this. I already know the ram one. |
| 21:25 | <Nivex> | The Internet is big. and vast. |
| 21:25 | <dwhite> | Our service provider (which contracts with Global Crossing and another level 3 provider) has been affected - and as a result, we've been affected |
| 21:25 | <pkwong> | yup.. GBX cross connects to comcast. |
| 21:25 | <SnoFox> | Nivex: And big. |
| 21:25 | <SnoFox> | :pp |
| 21:26 | <Nivex> | "and we shall call it... this land." |
| 21:26 | <@mikegrb> | lulz |
| 21:26 | <pkwong> | whatever happened to OSPF.. lol. |
| 21:26 | <pkwong> | and i'm down again.. **sigh** |
| 21:26 | <pkwong> | up and down up and down on the endpoints. |
| 21:26 | <maushu> | Nivex, "no, no, we shall call it... Bob." |
| 21:27 | <dwfreed> | maushu: and it's run from a linode in dallas :) |
| 21:27 | <pkwong> | which is the most stable datacenter? |
| 21:27 | <dwfreed> | pkwong: they're all quite stable; fremont has had some issues in the past, but they've pretty much all been fixed |
| 21:28 | <@caker> | pkwong: this isn't a datacenter issue - it's somewhere on the Internet is my guess. Can you provide MTRs in both directions (to/from the Linode in question)? |
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| 21:29 | <pkwong> | i know it's the internet.. |
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| 21:29 | <pkwong> | it's just crapping out every 5 seconds.. |
| 21:29 | <pkwong> | I'm on comcast.. so it's not like they're exactly an enterprise network. |
| 21:30 | <@heckman> | It's Comcastic, baby! |
| 21:30 | <dwhite> | heh (I'd hope it would be on th internet, and not somewhere like.... Kansas |
| 21:30 | <pkwong> | They should have it fixed by tomorrow.. |
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| 21:30 | <pkwong> | it's just friggin annoying. |
| 21:30 | <@heckman> | KyleXY: shall I mess up your windows next? :p |
| 21:30 | <dwhite> | heh. Comcast is (can be) a joke |
| 21:31 | <maushu> | "If there is a routing problem, relax - just wait it out. Generally these things resolve themselves." |
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| 21:31 | <maushu> | ...no, someone has to resolve them. |
| 21:31 | <rnowak> | someone can be something too, so no |
| 21:31 | <dwfreed> | Guest19599: heh, whoops |
| 21:31 | <Guest19599> | heckman: Only a kill on a network with a shitton of windows that made irssi fuck up would do that |
| 21:31 | <@caker> | pkwong: pastebin them and paste the links here, please |
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| 21:33 | <maushu> | Hmm, guys, wouldn't make more sense to have the Billing History reversed? |
| 21:34 | <maushu> | Newer to older. |
| 21:34 | <EugeneKay> | maushu - BGP issues to sort themselves out.... that's why you don't ever see them. It's the edge routes that are a PITA. |
| 21:34 | <EugeneKay> | s/to/do/ |
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| 21:42 | <pkwong> | http://pastebin.com/nD72p4V2 |
| 21:42 | <pkwong> | **sigh** |
| 21:43 | <pkwong> | never mind.. I'm too lazy to sign up to pastebin.. I'll just wait it out. |
| 21:43 | <@akerl> | ? Sign up to pastebin? |
| 21:44 | <pkwong> | yeah.. I got the url for pastebin and it just ended up being the wrong one.. |
| 21:44 | <@Perihelion> | Runescape bot :( |
| 21:44 | <revengcorps> | Hey guys... I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask but... I'm trying to establish ipsec l2l tunnel to my linode from cisco. I just scanned my linode for opened ports and found that udp 500 is not opened. how can I open it, anybody knows? |
| 21:44 | <dwhite> | Alright, I'm out.... thanks for the feedback on my OpenLDAP idea, folks. I'm going to do a bit more research, and will probably get it downloaded and start testing it on my local dev box / sandbox later this week or this weekend |
| 21:44 | <pkwong> | http://pastebin.com/download.php?i=1Gnj9Vgt |
| 21:44 | <pkwong> | try that one.. |
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| 21:45 | <@heckman> | traceroutes are painful. MTR / WinMTR is more better. Shows the loss/latency over time. |
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| 21:45 | <@heckman> | !mtr |
| 21:45 | <linbot> | mtr combines the functionality of traceroute and ping into one easy to use tool, and the output can be useful for determining where the source of a problem is. It can be downloaded from http://www.bitwizard.nl/mtr/ or http://winmtr.sourceforge.net/ for Windows. MTR summaries can be retrieved in-channel using the command !mtr-CITY where CITY is fremont, atlanta, newark, dallas or london. |
| 21:48 | <pkwong> | !mtr-atlanta |
| 21:48 | <linbot> | pkwong: (mtratlanta <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "web title http://mtr-atlanta.classhelper.org/mtr.pl?target_host=$1". |
| 21:48 | <boba> | ...It's a program you install. |
| 21:48 | <pkwong> | I just installed it.. |
| 21:49 | <@mikegrb> | lulz |
| 21:49 | <pkwong> | I also happen to have a flu right now.. so i'm just gonna call it a night and see if the problem goes away tomorrow.. lol. |
| 21:49 | <boba> | So run it on your own machine to your Linode, and run it on your Linode to your machine. |
| 21:49 | <pkwong> | yeah.. I'll do it tomorrow if it still persists, but gbx is pretty good at fixing stuff.. comcast, on the other hand.. **sigh |
| 21:50 | <spaden> | And the Linode is unavailable again. What's going on... |
| 21:50 | <pkwong> | yup same here. |
| 21:50 | <@heckman> | spaden: run an MTR from your Linode to your location and vice versa. |
| 21:51 | <pkwong> | nite all.. |
| 21:51 | <pkwong> | thanks for the support !!! |
| 21:51 | <pkwong> | :) |
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| 21:51 | <spaden> | I'm back in now.. |
| 21:52 | <poutine> | There's really not a single stackscript for a magento setup already? |
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| 21:56 | <dwfreed> | poutine: you could write one :) |
| 21:57 | <poutine> | yeah I know I could, but I just expected most popular setups would have an existing stackscript |
| 21:58 | <spaden> | This is a weird night. Putty or nano freezes when I try to paste 10 lines, and it shows the text garbled |
| 22:00 | <spaden> | At least it's consistent. |
| 22:00 | <spaden> | Now what. |
| 22:00 | <@Praefectus> | use vi |
| 22:01 | <@jed> | m :> |
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| 22:02 | <tjfontaine> | ed |
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| 22:04 | <@Perihelion> | nano <3 |
| 22:04 | <@Perihelion> | Haters gonna hate |
| 22:04 | <Nivex> | Perihelion: you and the other sysadmin where I work |
| 22:04 | <dwfreed> | vim <3 |
| 22:04 | <tjfontaine> | Nivex: you hate peri and a coworker? |
| 22:05 | <Nivex> | tjfontaine: no, I like them in their own unique and quirky ways :) |
| 22:05 | <tjfontaine> | :) |
| 22:05 | <@Perihelion> | h8erade |
| 22:05 | <tjfontaine> | thank god for EDITOR, otherwise I would never work in an environment for long with nano set as the primary |
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| 22:06 | <@jed> | Perihelion: sysadmin? nano? http://i.imgur.com/g4aA7.jpg |
| 22:06 | <Nivex> | indeed. I have mine set for vim |
| 22:06 | <spaden> | Apparently the clipboard had it as UTF-8, and that made nano barf. |
| 22:06 | <tjfontaine> | screen -URAD |
| 22:06 | <@Perihelion> | I SYS THEREFORE I ADMIN |
| 22:06 | <Nivex> | tmux, bitches! |
| 22:06 | <tjfontaine> | Perihelion: you should have those cysts looked at |
| 22:07 | <@Perihelion> | ;) |
| 22:07 | <tjfontaine> | a I made a punny! |
| 22:08 | <Nivex> | tjfontaine: sorry, that was not rimshot worthy |
| 22:08 | <@Perihelion> | Pity smile |
| 22:08 | <tjfontaine> | you bastards, I've been gone for this long and this is how you treat me?! |
| 22:08 | <tjfontaine> | INTERROBANGRAGE |
| 22:10 | <Nivex> | I don't have a compose key! Nooooooo! |
| 22:10 | <@Perihelion> | ! |
| 22:11 | <@Perihelion> | The Fountain Lord is going to ragepart :( |
| 22:11 | <EugeneKay> | Interobang... bang bang |
| 22:11 | <avenj> | tjfontaine: I missed you |
| 22:11 | <Nivex> | Interrobang (n): Inquiry of desire to engage in sexual activity... or pyromania |
| 22:12 | <tjfontaine> | avenj: I know |
| 22:12 | <tjfontaine> | Nivex: lies |
| 22:12 | <Amphibulus_> | Hi, Just a quick question, about the dns manager in the panel, do there is any limit to the quantity of queries or other restriction? |
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| 22:13 | <tjfontaine> | the only restriction is it only reloads every 15 mins |
| 22:13 | <tjfontaine> | (unless in slave configuration) |
| 22:13 | <Nivex> | and if you slave it from your own BIND server, it updates realtime |
| 22:13 | <@Praefectus> | and you need an active linode |
| 22:13 | <Nivex> | tjfontaine: jinx! |
| 22:14 | <tjfontaine> | ok ok I'll CTCP you a coke |
| 22:14 | <rnowak> | and Praefectus sometimes randomly changes your records to point to nyan.cat but that's something you'll have to live with |
| 22:14 | <Nivex> | tjfontaine: :) |
| 22:14 | <Nivex> | tjfontaine: must be a northern thing. I use that one down here and noone has ever heard it |
| 22:15 | <Nivex> | speaking of north, how you likin' that snow? |
| 22:15 | * | Nivex sits back in a t-shirt with the apartment window open |
| 22:15 | <tjfontaine> | Nivex: speaking of jinxing, DONT DO IT |
| 22:15 | <tjfontaine> | I'm just south of the snow belt, so today after work it was trying to snow but turned into sleet |
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| 22:15 | <Nivex> | blarf. |
| 22:16 | <tjfontaine> | yup |
| 22:16 | <tjfontaine> | but we haven't had any accumulation yet (knock on wood) |
| 22:16 | <Nivex> | I'll be in the Cleveland area at the end of the month. I hope it's not too bad then. |
| 22:17 | <tjfontaine> | your chances aren't good :P |
| 22:17 | <Nivex> | I know, but that's when the epic party is |
| 22:17 | <tjfontaine> | the end of the world as we know it? |
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| 22:17 | <Nivex> | pretty much. My best friend and his wife are having a baby, so this is the last one. |
| 22:18 | <tjfontaine> | aww the end of an era |
| 22:18 | <Nivex> | that's what I said. |
| 22:18 | <tjfontaine> | Perihelion: pour one out for th homies |
| 22:18 | <@Perihelion> | Fo da shawtiesss |
| 22:18 | <@Perihelion> | I wish I had my ATHF dvds here :( |
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| 22:24 | * | EugeneKay turns into an igloo |
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| 22:33 | <seaworthy> | hi, i am trying to connect to my servers ftp ftp://serverip but it does not work, does anyone know if i am missing something in the set up |
| 22:33 | <seaworthy> | ? |
| 22:34 | <@Praefectus> | did you install ftp? |
| 22:34 | <seaworthy> | on the server? |
| 22:34 | <@Praefectus> | yes |
| 22:34 | <bob2> | it's 2011 |
| 22:34 | <bob2> | why ftp |
| 22:34 | <@Praefectus> | by default we only install sftp |
| 22:34 | <kyhwana> | !ftp |
| 22:34 | <linbot> | Please use SSH/SCP/SFTP/rsync-over-ssh instead of FTP: http://www.43folders.com/2008/07/14/dump-ftp |
| 22:34 | <seaworthy> | well i am trying to use linode with vs2010 publish profiels |
| 22:35 | <kyhwana> | did you install a ftp server? |
| 22:35 | <seaworthy> | no |
| 22:35 | <EugeneKay> | !ftp |
| 22:35 | <linbot> | Please use SSH/SCP/SFTP/rsync-over-ssh instead of FTP: http://www.43folders.com/2008/07/14/dump-ftp |
| 22:35 | <@caker> | don't install an ftp server .. use sftp - which is built into sshd |
| 22:35 | <Solver> | ftp is so 90s^W80s |
| 22:35 | <seaworthy> | i do not think io can use sftp with VS2010 publish thing |
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| 22:35 | <Eman_> | 70s man, 70s |
| 22:36 | <tjfontaine> | particle man, particle man |
| 22:36 | <kyhwana> | 1) don't use ftp 2) if you reeeaallly want to use ftp and aware it's all plaintext, insecure, you'll get hax0r3d eventually, then you need to install a ftp server. |
| 22:36 | <tjfontaine> | seaworthy: you can use an sftp filesystem mounter |
| 22:36 | <tjfontaine> | seaworthy: something like http://www.expandrive.com/ |
| 22:36 | <tjfontaine> | seaworthy: then you can just point vs publish at that path |
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| 22:37 | <seaworthy> | hm there are so many answers... |
| 22:38 | <Eman_> | i suggest samba over the internet |
| 22:38 | <Eman_> | :D |
| 22:38 | <bob2> | i'd suggest version control |
| 22:38 | <tjfontaine> | there are nice vs git plugins these days |
| 22:38 | <seaworthy> | I want to use 1-click publish in Visual Studio |
| 22:39 | <seaworthy> | tthese methods, though they may work will take longer |
| 22:39 | <tjfontaine> | mount the sftp with expandrive, point visual studio to that drive |
| 22:39 | <tjfontaine> | then 1 click "should" work |
| 22:40 | <seaworthy> | yeh but its like an extra account |
| 22:40 | <seaworthy> | to keep track off |
| 22:40 | <tjfontaine> | huh? |
| 22:40 | <seaworthy> | sorry let me look at this again |
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| 22:41 | <seaworthy> | its an extra app |
| 22:41 | <seaworthy> | i need something simpler |
| 22:41 | <tjfontaine> | you configure it once |
| 22:41 | <tjfontaine> | ..fjkaldflkjasdhflasd |
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| 22:42 | <kyhwana> | well, otherwise you have to install a ftp server on your linode, set it up so it's "Secure", setup a new account on the ftp server that has access to the website directory, etcetc |
| 22:42 | <kyhwana> | Then go "omgwtfbbq" after someone steals that login and hax0r3z your server, because ftp is insecure |
| 22:42 | <seaworthy> | well you say like it is so easy to steal |
| 22:42 | <rnowak> | it is? |
| 22:42 | <kyhwana> | !ftp |
| 22:42 | <linbot> | Please use SSH/SCP/SFTP/rsync-over-ssh instead of FTP: http://www.43folders.com/2008/07/14/dump-ftp |
| 22:42 | <kyhwana> | ^ read that |
| 22:43 | <Eman_> | yes, other than someone sniffing insecure wifi, i want to know how someones gonna "steal" your login |
| 22:43 | <rnowak> | I suggest you uninstall sshd and install telnetd now |
| 22:43 | <rnowak> | since security is pointless |
| 22:44 | <seaworthy> | well there is a trade off at this point |
| 22:44 | <kyhwana> | well fine, go ahead.. "apt-get install proftpd-basic" then figure out how to manage accounts for it, etc |
| 22:44 | <kyhwana> | Im sure there's a way to make it use your normal ssh login |
| 22:45 | <seaworthy> | well |
| 22:45 | <kyhwana> | and then come back whenever after you've been hacked |
| 22:45 | <seaworthy> | hold on if i set up groups |
| 22:45 | <seaworthy> | why would they ever get my root pwd? |
| 22:46 | <@caker> | why would they need to, to do bad things? |
| 22:46 | <seaworthy> | okay how would they ever get my root pwd? |
| 22:46 | <kyhwana> | they don't need it if that user is in sudoers or you have a local root exploit, but they can still trash/change all files that user has access to |
| 22:47 | <@caker> | or run bad things as the user they have access to |
| 22:47 | <seaworthy> | hmm |
| 22:48 | <seaworthy> | so there are apps that you can run as a non-root and have it mess up root priv'd places? |
| 22:48 | <rnowak> | :| |
| 22:48 | <@caker> | shell on a box, even with a unprived user, can do much badness. It happens every day. |
| 22:49 | <@caker> | DDoS bots, spam sending, whatever |
| 22:49 | <dwfreed> | Crash your node |
| 22:49 | <@caker> | ya |
| 22:49 | <seaworthy> | damn it got so complicate dall of a sudden |
| 22:49 | <@mikegrb> | lulz |
| 22:49 | <seaworthy> | lol |
| 22:49 | <Nivex> | :()(:&:;): |
| 22:50 | <kyhwana> | anyway, it's beer time, either using that sftp mounting app in windows will work or just install proftpd (and gold help you) |
| 22:50 | <kyhwana> | -l |
| 22:50 | <@caker> | it's simple: don't use ftp! |
| 22:50 | <dwfreed> | Nivex: you messed that up |
| 22:50 | <Eman_> | slap stunnel around your ftp :D |
| 22:50 | <dwfreed> | Nivex: :(){:|:&};: |
| 22:51 | <Nivex> | I don't use the pipe char, but yeah, the semicolon goes outside the braces |
| 22:51 | <Nivex> | http://www.nivex.net/images/forkbomb.png |
| 22:51 | <dwfreed> | Nivex: you also need a semicolon after the ampersand |
| 22:51 | <kyhwana> | or ssh tunnel |
| 22:52 | <@caker> | http://www.nivex.net/images/IMG_0996.JPG <-- mmmmmmmmm droool |
| 22:53 | <seaworthy> | are sftp and ftps the same? |
| 22:53 | <linbot> | New news from forums: Fedora 16 in Feature Request/Bug Report <http://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=8166>; |
| 22:53 | <@caker> | 4338R ? |
| 22:53 | <Nivex> | caker: 4338P |
| 22:53 | <@caker> | seaworthy: no |
| 22:53 | <Nivex> | caker: I'm rather proud of that pic :) |
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| 22:53 | <Nivex> | luck + skill = great desktop background |
| 22:54 | <Eman_> | i have a telnetd running on one of my boxes, the account cannot do anything except see the output of a php script that takes no input |
| 22:54 | <Eman_> | and only that one user can log in |
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| 22:59 | <dwfreed> | Nivex: how long did it take you to hit sage level in the IPv6 certifications? |
| 23:00 | <dwfreed> | I should probably finish it at some point, but can't be arsed to set up a mail server |
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| 23:03 | <KyleXY> | caker: I forget, does migration require contacting via Ticket? |
| 23:04 | <@Praefectus> | yes |
| 23:04 | <KyleXY> | Ok, thought so |
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| 23:04 | <@caker> | KyleXY: to a different datacenter? Can do it yourself: add a Linode, shut down source, clone, remove source, boot new |
| 23:04 | <@caker> | or open a ticket. |
| 23:05 | <KyleXY> | caker: not without getting charged, don't have jack on my card at the moment, heh |
| 23:05 | <Nivex> | dwfreed: I don't remember total time. I did it in fits and starts. Mostly as I ran into limitations like DNS at registrar, etc. |
| 23:06 | <dwfreed> | Nivex: I shouldn't have issues with my registrar; I've got DNS glue, and am delegating it to HE anyway, so that's easy (and once my firewall machine is back up, I'll be changing HE to slave to me) |
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| 23:07 | <dwfreed> | caker: ever see the cockpit of a Cessna 182? |
| 23:08 | <@caker> | dwfreed: yes - my flying club has one but I haven't been checked out in it yet -- why? |
| 23:08 | <dwfreed> | caker: was just wondering; those are very drool-worthy too |
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| 23:09 | <dwfreed> | I've got a poster of one somewhere |
| 23:10 | <dwfreed> | !alot |
| 23:10 | <linbot> | http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.com/2010/04/alot-is-better-than-you-at-everything.html | http://e-cabi.net/alot.jpg |
| 23:11 | <vraa> | i hope this is'nt a stupid question - but is linode as 'root' as you can get? |
| 23:11 | <vraa> | aside from having a 'dedicated' server? |
| 23:11 | <dwfreed> | vraa: yeah, pretty much |
| 23:12 | <vraa> | what does pretty much mean? pretend i'm not a layman? like parallels openvz vs xen, xen seems to be more closer to hardware |
| 23:15 | <bd_> | vraa: you can upload your own kernel image |
| 23:16 | <bd_> | that's as 'root' as you can get without getting access to the PCI bus and ring 0 :) |
| 23:16 | <vraa> | but it has to be xen compatible right? |
| 23:16 | <bd_> | vraa: right. |
| 23:16 | <vraa> | okay i think i understand, ring 0 is supposed to be the ultimate access |
| 23:16 | <vraa> | at lesat from what i've read, thanks |
| 23:16 | <poutine> | I can't find a breadmaker with a car adapter anywhere |
| 23:17 | <@Perihelion> | Get one of those transformer things |
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| 23:19 | <dwfreed> | poutine: just buy a power inverter; look at the power rating of the breadmaker, and buy an inverter to match |
| 23:19 | <dwfreed> | vraa: Wikipedia does a really good job of explaining how Xen works |
| 23:20 | <vraa> | yeah i've been reading about it, i've been thinking about trying to setup my own server at my house with vmware hypervisor, i think esxi the free one, because being able to put multiple computers on 1 hardware is *genius* |
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| 23:23 | <dwfreed> | vraa: I hear ESXi is decent (and yes, it's free, but they hide it; it's somewhere in support and downloads); one benefit of Xen is that it's open source, and it's fully supported in linux kernels since 2.6.39 |
| 23:24 | <vraa> | i dont think xen has a gui? |
| 23:25 | <dwfreed> | vraa: you can get management tools for Xen |
| 23:25 | <dwfreed> | Citrix makes a free one |
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| 23:26 | <vraa> | openxenmanager? |
| 23:26 | <dwfreed> | something like that |
| 23:26 | <dwfreed> | don't recall, but I'm going to bed |
| 23:26 | <vraa> | thanks i didn't know these existed, i'll have to do more research |
| 23:26 | <vraa> | thanks for the start dwfreed, sleep well |
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| 23:30 | <seaworthy2> | test |
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| 23:31 | <MTecknology> | I just dragged 300lb of rock and gravel into my apt.... |
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| 23:31 | <MTecknology> | yay indoor gardening! |
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| 23:37 | <tonyyarusso> | Our ESXi box was broken all the time - did not walk away with a good impression. |
| 23:40 | <MTecknology> | tonyyarusso: esxi is just a stripped version of esx.... esx isn't too bad, but it sure is bloated as all hell |
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| 23:48 | <MTecknology> | tonyyarusso: anything specific you didn't like? |
| 23:48 | <linbot> | New news from wiki: CentOS <http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php?title=CentOS&diff=4411&oldid=prev>; |
| 23:48 | <tonyyarusso> | MTecknology: The hanging and crashing part. |
| 23:49 | <MTecknology> | anything specific? I haven't ever seen it actually crash |
| 23:51 | <MTecknology> | anything specific that made it crash? * |
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| 23:56 | <tonyyarusso> | Apparently, running for three days, give or take. |
| 23:56 | <MTecknology> | Q:S |
| 23:56 | <MTecknology> | :S * |
| 23:56 | <tonyyarusso> | It would just stop responding to commands, like rebooting a VM, and it required a hard reset of the host to fix it. |
| 23:57 | <MTecknology> | as much as i hate vmware, i can't really argue against the product from my own experience, especially when it comes to teaming nic's, san connectivity, and drive failover |
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| 23:59 | <linbot> | Point (0.99290887, 0.69317768) falls outside of the unit circle. Hits: 108456 of 137683 (π ≈ 3.150890088100927 - 0.009297434511134). http://π.hoopycat.com/ |
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