| --- | Log | opened Tue Dec 14 00:00:25 2010 |
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| 00:05 | <jords> | I'm trying to setup ipv6 with the HE tunnel, I've got quite confused, have run the ip commands (will set it up permanently once it's working), and i can ping6 an address. But I have no idea what my servers ipv6 ip is? |
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| 00:06 | <mbreslin> | you're following the tutorial? |
| 00:07 | <blognewb> | merry xmas http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/autopia/2009/09/3340679190_1b57ac89d9_b.jpg |
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| 00:07 | <jords> | ok, got it worked out... It's just the inet6 addr in ipconfig, without the /64 on the end :) |
| 00:07 | <mbreslin> | blognewb: if you didn't fill yours with liquid tnt we wouldn't need that rule |
| 00:07 | <mbreslin> | thanks |
| 00:08 | <jords> | That's the default ip for the tunnel, but I can actually set my server to anything within the /64 block, right? |
| 00:08 | <mbreslin> | jords: right but make sure you get the right /64 |
| 00:08 | <kyhwana> | jords: depends if they've routed the subnet to you |
| 00:08 | <mbreslin> | the 64 you can added (the routed subnet) isn't the same as the initial /64 you get |
| 00:08 | <mbreslin> | s/added/add |
| 00:09 | <jords> | ah yes i see |
| 00:09 | <linbot> | New news from forums: stream mp3 but protect against download? in General Discussion <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=6393>; |
| 00:09 | <mbreslin> | the he page for your tunnel will have 2 /64's just make sure you are messing with the routed one |
| 00:09 | <jords> | my ip now is 2001:470:1f04:1641::2/64, my routed one is 2001:470:1f05:1641::/64 |
| 00:09 | <jords> | so I can just take any ip in the routed subnet, right? |
| 00:10 | <mbreslin> | correct |
| 00:10 | <jords> | how many addresses is a /64 anyway? 2^64? |
| 00:10 | <bd_> | jords: 2^(128-64), so yes, w^64 |
| 00:10 | <bd_> | 2^64 rather |
| 00:10 | <mbreslin> | it's a few |
| 00:11 | <azar> | I'm looking for a service that would help in securing a server, from deployment up. Any recommendations? I want deplyment+lamp+the general security, iptables setup, etc. |
| 00:11 | <jords> | yeah. That's a comically large number. |
| 00:12 | <mbreslin> | my question with ipv6 is won't everyone just overpvovision |
| 00:12 | <mbreslin> | since there seems to be so many |
| 00:12 | <mbreslin> | and we'll wind up with much less than we thought |
| 00:13 | <jords> | mbreslin, so, only like a billion ips for every person then? :)... I don't think we are going to have any issues until, maybe, we have a intergalactic network |
| 00:13 | <mbreslin> | i guess |
| 00:14 | <mbreslin> | the people that take large blocks now won't they try to take ginormous blocks with ipv6 |
| 00:15 | <@pparadis> | mbreslin: i don't think you're thinking this through in terms of the sheer magnitude of devices you can address with ipv6... |
| 00:16 | <mbreslin> | i'm sure i'm wrong i just mean like large companies will try to own the same proportion of the space |
| 00:16 | <mbreslin> | i guess not though |
| 00:16 | <@pparadis> | the economic value of an individual ip goes to near zero. |
| 00:17 | <@pparadis> | why would companies care about having rights (not owning) the same proportion of ip space? given the massive number of addresses available, there simply isn't any point to it. |
| 00:17 | <mbreslin> | i guess as you said a single ip isn't really worth anything |
| 00:18 | <mbreslin> | so having a lot makes no difference |
| 00:18 | <@pparadis> | pretty much :) |
| 00:19 | <@pparadis> | i'm pretty sure that given the pace of things, by the time we need more address space than that, homo sapiens won't be the smartest entity on the planet. |
| 00:19 | <qubits> | haha |
| 00:20 | <@pparadis> | to steal a term, if everything is made of computronium, we ain't doing most of the computing ;) |
| 00:23 | <jords> | sweet. I just did a ssh tunnel to my server, and can access ipv6 through it! |
| 00:23 | <jords> | not what I will be doing usually since I can just use the tunnel directly but still cool :) |
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| 00:29 | <NiftyLettuce> | sometimes I truly am a noob. |
| 00:29 | <NiftyLettuce> | add corresponding svn was right in "Add New Project"... |
| 00:29 | <NiftyLettuce> | pparadis: ended up using just apache2 for redmine |
| 00:31 | <@pparadis> | that's okay |
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| 00:37 | * | kevon waves to Peng |
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| 00:40 | <@jed> | http://dropbox.jedsmith.org/gawker1.png http://dropbox.jedsmith.org/gawker2.png |
| 00:40 | <@jed> | I flipped the switch at 11:30 |
| 00:41 | <@jed> | it went live on thenextweb about 90 minutes later |
| 00:41 | <@jed> | should have put adsense on it :/ |
| 00:41 | <@pparadis> | dude |
| 00:42 | <hobot> | zvit that the torrent |
| 00:42 | <hobot> | or what |
| 00:42 | <@jed> | it's gawkercheck.com |
| 00:42 | <hobot> | oh nice jed |
| 00:42 | <hobot> | did you record every request as well to get their actual passwords |
| 00:42 | <hobot> | be super evil |
| 00:42 | <hobot> | hehe |
| 00:42 | <@jed> | it's in javascript |
| 00:43 | <hobot> | o |
| 00:43 | <@jed> | there was close to 200k passwords in the file itself, I didn't bother |
| 00:43 | <hobot> | youre a nice man anyway jed I would not think you did |
| 00:43 | <@pparadis> | "This data is not sent to my server, but instead is computed by your browser anonymously. I do not care who you are, and I'm not collecting any information from this." |
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| 00:43 | <@jed> | that's the difference between mine and slate |
| 00:43 | <hobot> | or if you did I would be like "well he's a nice man, maybe he will just read my emails and be really bored" |
| 00:44 | <@jed> | slate saw the article referencing my tool and rushed this out for the hits: http://www.slate.com/id/2277768/ |
| 00:44 | * | pparadis emails hobot's mom |
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| 00:44 | <hobot> | feel free |
| 00:44 | <hobot> | she knows all my peccadillos |
| 00:44 | <hobot> | sp? |
| 00:44 | <hobot> | well |
| 00:44 | <hobot> | not all |
| 00:44 | <hobot> | but that bad ones |
| 00:44 | * | pparadis makes a note to adjust hobot's showercam, the view is about 5 degrees off. |
| 00:44 | <@jed> | the problem with the slate widget is it ajax posts your e-mail in plaintext to their server |
| 00:45 | <@jed> | which is a hilarious move in the wake of a disclosure |
| 00:45 | <@pparadis> | that's, frankly... fucked up |
| 00:45 | <hobot> | more like 10 |
| 00:45 | <hobot> | fuck those guys |
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| 00:46 | <hobot> | man do you think that is just stupidity or bad men |
| 00:46 | <hobot> | yeah that's just evil it cant be stupid |
| 00:46 | <@pparadis> | i vote stupidity, but that doesn't mean someone can't come along and say "oh wait, i could use this" |
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| 01:00 | <qubits> | hey $1 domains at godaddy, sweet! |
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| 01:03 | <pmall> | qubits: it's a trick... u buy 50 domains that u don't need and they are full price next yr for renewal ;) |
| 01:03 | <NiftyLettuce> | need I use htpasswd2 for apache2? |
| 01:04 | <qubits> | i know :( |
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| 01:11 | <NiftyLettuce> | figured it out :D |
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| 01:26 | <linbot> | amitz: Here is your priority Refill order #: 5690141 |
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| 01:53 | <MTecknology> | gah! MySQL is just destroying my disk I/O |
| 01:53 | <MTecknology> | and CPU |
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| 02:07 | <amitz> | powerful mysql, can destroy cpu |
| 02:07 | <linbot> | amitz: lorinn@redacted 53% OFF on Pfizer! |
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| 02:10 | <amitz> | powerful drug, on discount |
| 02:12 | <linbot> | amitz: Pass interviews easily with the University diploma. |
| 02:13 | <amitz> | good job, set me for life. |
| 02:17 | <linbot> | amitz: crystal@redacted Pfizer -61% now |
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| 02:19 | <MTecknology> | 26525 mysql 20 0 133m 26m 3168 S 77 5.3 3:34.77 mysqld |
| 02:20 | <MTecknology> | I have NO issue with the RAM it uses... just the CPU and Disk IO |
| 02:21 | <iggy> | look for full table scans |
| 02:22 | <MTecknology> | How do I do that? |
| 02:23 | <iggy> | don't remember exactly, I found a good page that had a bunch of tuning tips and it had the command to find out |
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| 02:30 | <Guest917> | check out/enable the slow query log |
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| 03:42 | <graq> | Holidays are coming! |
| 03:43 | <czr> | yes. more time to work on work projects without stupid interruptions |
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| 03:46 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 03:46 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 03:47 | <czr> | SpaceHobo, not really no. normally I'd visit mymum but she's in the states and I'm going there only later, so no. pros and cons really. |
| 03:49 | <marius> | czr; lucky bastard |
| 03:49 | <amitz> | marius: which part? |
| 03:49 | <czr> | last two xmases I spent in the middle of nowhere (middle of eastern finland), so I deserve some break :-) |
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| 03:54 | <marius> | amitz, the no family to bother you when you wnat to work on projects |
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| 03:57 | <Ephialtes> | linode <3 |
| 03:57 | <amitz> | i don't feel like working these last 2 days... |
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| 03:58 | <adamt> | Hiya |
| 03:58 | <adamt> | Does anybody else experience problems connecting to nodes in london? Even the ajax console is broken for me right now |
| 03:59 | <amitz> | i sometime suspect i'm somewhat bipolar but i guess i'm used to dealing with it. |
| 03:59 | <amitz> | !mtr london1.linode.com |
| 03:59 | <linbot> | mtr combines the functionality of traceroute and ping into one easy to use tool, and the output can be useful for determining where the source of a problem is. It can be downloaded from http://www.bitwizard.nl/mtr/ or http://winmtr.sourceforge.net/ for Windows. MTR summaries can be retrieved in-channel using the command !mtr-CITY where CITY is fremont, atlanta, newark, dallas or london. |
| 03:59 | <adamt> | !mtr-london |
| 03:59 | <linbot> | adamt: (mtrlondon <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "web title http://109.74.192.102/mtr.cgi?target_host=$1". |
| 04:00 | <czr> | amitz, I've had some weird issues with chromium connecting to a webserver running in london. although might be a problem in chromium |
| 04:00 | <czr> | (past 2-3 days or so) |
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| 04:01 | <amitz> | oh.. the internet is never healthy. |
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| 04:01 | <amitz> | 100% healthy |
| 04:02 | <czr> | yeah, but this is different. |
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| 04:03 | <marius> | I'm on my london node as we speak |
| 04:03 | <marius> | I'm speaking through it |
| 04:03 | <adamt> | yeah mine just sprang to life again. |
| 04:03 | <czr> | marius, ventriloquist hits the DC? |
| 04:03 | <czr> | local stuff must be quite wtf by now |
| 04:04 | <czr> | you should do the classical "help me, I'm trapped in a server!"-thing |
| 04:04 | <Ephialtes> | erk |
| 04:04 | <Ephialtes> | classic |
| 04:04 | <czr> | s/stuff/staff/ even. |
| 04:04 | <Ephialtes> | sorry, i don't usually do that but certain things.. |
| 04:05 | <amitz> | czr: heh, i thought about it too but i feel i was too freaky and/or random these days, need to stop voicing my thought. :-p |
| 04:05 | <amitz> | s/was/am/ |
| 04:05 | <czr> | great minds think alike. |
| 04:05 | * | czr hides & runs |
| 04:06 | <amitz> | haha |
| 04:06 | <adamt> | thank god for the issues resolving itself, since this winmtr stuff isn't really doing a whole lot :p |
| 04:07 | <czr> | winmtr sounds like something that eats away on your virtual memory.. |
| 04:08 | <adamt> | Windows ain't supposed to be runnable with any amount of memory anways. |
| 04:08 | <amitz> | 640 gb of virtual memory should be suffice. |
| 04:08 | <amitz> | ient |
| 04:09 | <czr> | Ettin |
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| 04:09 | <amitz> | thinner |
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| 04:09 | <czr> | ethernetter |
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| 04:10 | * | czr gets back to work before it's too late |
| 04:10 | <amitz> | self-sustained-evolutionary-virtual-artifical-intelligence. |
| 04:11 | <amitz> | go back to work, shu shu! |
| 04:11 | <czr> | in finnish, shu is hus. a fact you might find handy some day. |
| 04:13 | <amitz> | in indonesian, people use both. hus is spoken in a lower tone, shu in a higher tone. you might find that handy too ;-) |
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| 04:14 | <czr> | indeed. need to find a place which utilizes all the permutations though. it might be an interesting place to visit. |
| 04:14 | <amitz> | well, hus is more about making scary voice to scare out things, like animals. |
| 04:15 | <amitz> | the transliteration of voice of animals or sound is also interessting across languages. |
| 04:16 | <amitz> | i probably knew about nom nom nom for only hm... 3 months? |
| 04:17 | <czr> | heh |
| 04:17 | <amitz> | we say it nyam nyam nyam. |
| 04:18 | <czr> | dog = hau, cat = miau, donkey = iihahaa, chicken = kot kot, pig = röh (röh), sheep = mää. and others. |
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| 04:19 | <czr> | and nom = nam over here. |
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| 04:21 | <amitz> | dog = guk, cat = miauw, donkey = ..we don't have donkey, i think, chicken = kukuruyuk, pig = not sure, pig is not kosher, no sheep. |
| 04:21 | <amitz> | kukuruyuk is the full yell. |
| 04:21 | <amitz> | s/chicken/cock/ |
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| 04:22 | <czr> | ah yes. "kukkokiekuu" is the proper in finnish. although it's somewhat moronic since, "kukko" = rooster, and "kiekuu" = cockoos (verb). |
| 04:22 | <czr> | in russian it would be "kukariku" |
| 04:23 | <amitz> | oh.. interesting. |
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| 04:25 | <amitz> | car's horn: din din... |
| 04:26 | <czr> | tuut tuut in finnish, "bibip" in russian (not 100% sure about the latter one though) |
| 04:27 | <amitz> | my wife's language of car's horn: pit pit. |
| 04:27 | <czr> | at least one universal aspect seems to be that the horn is used twice in these cultures. |
| 04:28 | <amitz> | hmm nice observation. |
| 04:28 | <czr> | interesting. now to lunch -> |
| 04:28 | <amitz> | okay, hus hus ;-) |
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| 04:30 | <CyZo> | Is there something going on in London? |
| 04:31 | <encode> | yep. Winter |
| 04:32 | <amitz> | some people reported problem, but no more complain these last couple of minutes. |
| 04:32 | <@mikegrb> | lulz |
| 04:32 | <CyZo> | lol, i have two linodes there and both are responding really slow |
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| 04:35 | <sburlot1> | I also have a very slow connection with London. |
| 04:37 | <CyZo> | its odd it only seems to affect port 80 or maybe I just dont notice it with ssh |
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| 04:39 | <CyZo> | Something appears to be wrong with telecity |
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| 04:42 | <hawk> | If the problem remains and no linoder is here, file a ticket |
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| 04:43 | <marius> | Did you MTR it? |
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| 04:43 | <CyZo> | I cant get to www.telecitygroup.com either so I think its a connection issue |
| 04:45 | <CyZo> | it works fine from the US for me just not here. |
| 04:46 | <stitch> | w/in 50 |
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| 04:47 | <sburlot1> | Ha. Speed is now back to normal. Or so it seems. |
| 04:47 | <hawk> | sburlot1: You fixed it! |
| 04:48 | <amitz> | my presence fixes it. |
| 04:48 | <CyZo> | yep, just noticed it |
| 04:48 | <amitz> | I know, right? |
| 04:48 | <CyZo> | www.telecitygroup.com is also back |
| 04:48 | <sburlot1> | Was the problem limited to switzerland -> london only? |
| 04:49 | <CyZo> | thats my location, |
| 04:49 | <CyZo> | I didnt see the problem from the US |
| 04:50 | <CyZo> | its still slow but not completly dead |
| 04:51 | <tuupola> | i also experience problems to london, but only from one isp |
| 04:51 | <amitz> | don't worry, my aura is working on it. |
| 04:51 | <tuupola> | friday the first time. during weekend everything was ok and now it is really bad. |
| 04:52 | <sburlot1> | I've seen better speed with apachebench. |
| 04:52 | <tuupola> | but it is only from one isp. |
| 04:52 | <tuupola> | for me it is just timeouts. |
| 04:52 | <tuupola> | heh for example I cannot access http://www.telecitygroup.com/ at the moment |
| 04:52 | <CyZo> | Neither can I |
| 04:53 | <sburlot1> | It responds slowly here |
| 04:53 | <CyZo> | I have huge packetloss on the way there 85.90.238.58 |
| 04:53 | <tuupola> | can you access this: http://kampaania.toyota.ee/ |
| 04:53 | <tuupola> | do a couple of reload |
| 04:53 | <tuupola> | my problem at tje moment is that mayba 7 out of 10 http requests just time out |
| 04:53 | <tuupola> | friday it was only 1 of 10 |
| 04:54 | <CyZo> | its doing the same as mine, very slow and most requests time out |
| 04:55 | <tuupola> | same here. Have you opened a ticket= |
| 04:55 | <CyZo> | I have not, I will right now |
| 04:55 | <tuupola> | I opened one on friday but they said they have not got any other reports so it must be my isps problem |
| 04:55 | <CyZo> | where are you accessing it from? |
| 04:56 | <tuupola> | Elion network from Estonia |
| 04:56 | <tuupola> | at the same time I have people testing in Finland and everything is ok with them |
| 04:56 | <CyZo> | k, Im coming from Switzerland 2 differnt ISPs |
| 04:56 | <tuupola> | and also when testing from another ISP in Estonia everything is ok |
| 04:56 | <tuupola> | so it is really weird... |
| 04:56 | <CyZo> | my connection goes via france over init7 |
| 04:58 | <sburlot1> | mtr reports 50% packet loss from 85.90.238.58 |
| 04:58 | <tuupola> | might be icmp limiting |
| 04:58 | <hawk> | Unless the loss is >= 50% from then on, it's probably that host that limits icmp echo |
| 04:58 | <czr> | tuupola, I had problems with london timing out http 80 conns yesterday at least (from finland) |
| 04:59 | <hawk> | Or.. err.. icmp anything I guess if it was mtr |
| 04:59 | <CyZo> | Is two hops with the same IP normal? |
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| 05:01 | <tuupola> | czr : which isp? |
| 05:01 | <czr> | tuupola, elisa yesterday |
| 05:02 | <czr> | or maybe it was two days back actually.. |
| 05:02 | <tuupola> | yeah. i had first problems on friday. yesterday was ok. today is impossible |
| 05:02 | <tuupola> | anyway here is my mtr from laptop to two differen uk linodes |
| 05:02 | <tuupola> | http://www.pastie.org/1364843 |
| 05:03 | <tuupola> | 85.90.226.205 seems to have packet loss but it is just icmp rate limiting |
| 05:03 | <czr> | voima :-) |
| 05:03 | <tuupola> | powerbook :) |
| 05:03 | <tuupola> | voimakirja |
| 05:03 | <tuupola> | :D |
| 05:03 | <czr> | indeed :-) |
| 05:03 | <CyZo> | what about 85.90.238.58 ? |
| 05:03 | <hawk> | So you have 0% loss to the node? But http specifically(?) times out? Or anything tcp? |
| 05:04 | <czr> | gah. my local router at work seems to filter all non-ping icmp |
| 05:04 | <CyZo> | it seems to only be http, I can ssh fine |
| 05:05 | <tuupola> | same here i can ssh fine |
| 05:05 | * | czr metoos |
| 05:05 | <CyZo> | and I know its not some apache conf, I spent the last hour checking, also my other london linode is doing the same and the connection is fine from the US |
| 05:06 | <tuupola> | same here. I have two different setups both in uk and both have same problem |
| 05:06 | <czr> | here's mtr from elisa to london atm. odd problem somewhere though: http://www.pastie.org/1375596 |
| 05:06 | <tuupola> | and as I said some isp:s work fine |
| 05:06 | <CyZo> | I couldnt get to telecitygroup.com before either |
| 05:06 | <tuupola> | easy test to do is http://your-linode.com/server-status?refresh=1 |
| 05:06 | <czr> | it's odd that the traffic wants to go through frankfurt.. |
| 05:07 | <tuupola> | friday mine got stuck after maybe 30 requests. this morning after 2 or so |
| 05:08 | <tuupola> | can also test doing wget http://your-linode.com/server-status many times. |
| 05:08 | <czr> | who is pccwbtn.net? |
| 05:09 | <czr> | (i know what whois says, but it doesn't make sense) |
| 05:09 | <czr> | wtf. seems like the 10 hop is some hong-kong-based operator |
| 05:09 | <czr> | "might explain the jump in latency".. |
| 05:10 | <tuupola> | ok this is weird. suddenly my problems are gone. Maybe Elion booted something because I sent them an email... |
| 05:10 | <sburlot1> | and now I can't access my server again. |
| 05:12 | <CyZo> | Something is changing, I dont have the same IP in two hops anymore |
| 05:14 | <tuupola> | my traceroute seems to have changed too |
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| 05:16 | <czr> | can you report mtr? |
| 05:16 | <czr> | repost even |
| 05:18 | <markild> | anyone elese at uk-hub having networking issues? |
| 05:18 | <CyZo> | yep |
| 05:18 | <tuupola> | yes |
| 05:18 | <sburlot1> | yes |
| 05:19 | <tuupola> | http requests time out for you too? |
| 05:19 | <markild> | "good" :P |
| 05:19 | <CyZo> | yes |
| 05:19 | <tuupola> | can you open a ticket since mine started on friday but they said since no one else has reported it must be my isp |
| 05:19 | <tuupola> | which is possible too since everything is ok with some other isps |
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| 05:20 | <markild> | I'm guessing routing issue |
| 05:20 | <markild> | 20-40% packet loss |
| 05:20 | <czr> | marius, there seems to be heavy packet loss |
| 05:20 | <czr> | sorry, markild |
| 05:21 | <tuupola> | Or the "Anonymous" guys fighting for Assange :) |
| 05:21 | <czr> | physical violence is much better for that |
| 05:21 | <markild> | tuupola: wouldn't really surprise me :P |
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| 05:21 | <markild> | czr: yeah, what happened to good ol "burn down a building"!? |
| 05:22 | <czr> | when I was young, things were more honest. |
| 05:22 | <tuupola> | my connection to uk datacenter was unusable whole morning. suddenly started to work and I can see from mtr and traceroute that the routa changed |
| 05:22 | <czr> | markild, indeed. |
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| 05:22 | <czr> | mine goes through pccwbtn.net, which seems to be the starting point for the drops |
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| 05:22 | <qubits> | fuck. just spent 3 hours teaching myself how to write bash scripts and i just found the stackscripts library |
| 05:23 | <axod> | anyone else seeing packet loss to london? |
| 05:23 | <czr> | connection between frankfurt and london. might be getting hit some crap and that is reflecting to the whole route |
| 05:23 | <czr> | axod, o/ |
| 05:23 | <markild> | as long as it's not just me :P |
| 05:23 | <czr> | http://www.pastie.org/1375596 , http://www.pastie.org/1375618 |
| 05:24 | <czr> | seems to be at the border of telecity |
| 05:24 | <axod> | yup looks like around there |
| 05:24 | <CyZo> | yup |
| 05:24 | <axod> | any point opening a ticket? |
| 05:24 | <czr> | axod, yes. do it. |
| 05:24 | <dcraig> | you can use -w to keep the hostnames from being truncated |
| 05:25 | <sburlot1> | OK, I've opened a ticket. We'll see. |
| 05:25 | <tuupola> | but off to lunch. hope Interwebs still exist when I come back :) |
| 05:25 | <czr> | dcraig, thanks for the hint |
| 05:26 | <czr> | http://www.pastie.org/1375635 (still telecity though :-) |
| 05:26 | <czr> | hmm. let me try another large isp |
| 05:27 | <tuupola> | blah. date will be late. so back to debugging... |
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| 05:29 | <sburlot1> | mtr: http://www.pastie.org/1375647 |
| 05:31 | <tuupola> | my routes changed and now timeouts do not exist: |
| 05:31 | <tuupola> | http://www.pastie.org/1375649 |
| 05:32 | <czr> | http://www.pastie.org/1375652 (no mtr -w, sortty) and http://www.pastie.org/1375635 . both show telecity border as the problem |
| 05:34 | <sburlot1> | Ha. linode answered my ticket: http://www.pastie.org/1375661 |
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| 05:35 | <czr> | excellent |
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| 05:38 | <noir_lord> | if I sign up for a linode say a 1024 and then later need to move up to something a bit more beefy, I can move an existing linode across and reboot right? |
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| 05:39 | <noir_lord> | I want to setup and configure the server but I'm not going to know which of the larger packages I'm going to need until we are up and running |
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| 05:43 | <tuupola> | iirc you can just upgrade via admin. It will take several minutes depending on load and your linode size. |
| 05:43 | <tuupola> | never upgraded myself though. |
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| 05:44 | <axod> | noir_lord: yup it takes but a minute or 2 to change size |
| 05:44 | <noir_lord> | thought that was the case but I wanted to make sure, linode beats the prices I can get anywhere else (and I use it for my side business already) |
| 05:44 | <axod> | I do it most weeks |
| 05:44 | <tuupola> | Linode rocks. (Not just the UK datacenter atm ;) |
| 05:44 | <axod> | LINX fault apparently |
| 05:45 | <noir_lord> | some of the quotes are insane, £469 a month for 60Gb on top of £99 for the server (though it does have 250Gb) |
| 05:45 | <CyZo> | Linode does rock, most awesome provider I ever had |
| 05:45 | <noir_lord> | laughable and that is what the supplier recommended to us, I nearly fell over laughing in the meeting |
| 05:46 | <axod> | noir_lord: utf8 rocks btw |
| 05:46 | <noir_lord> | there is an issue with the UK DC? |
| 05:46 | <axod> | noir_lord: LINX issue in london |
| 05:47 | <axod> | https://www.linx.net/pubtools/trafficstats.html |
| 05:50 | <tuupola> | oopsie |
| 05:50 | <noir_lord> | checked, my site is still up and responding...shrugs |
| 05:51 | <axod> | noir_lord: about 20% loss |
| 05:51 | <axod> | so it won't be down for everyone all the time |
| 05:52 | <noir_lord> | not even dropping packets from where I am (in the UK) |
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| 06:00 | <linbot> | New news from forums: Anything special I should do to get pop3 working now? in Email/SMTP Related Forum <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=6287>; |
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| 06:16 | <HoopyCat> | wrong kind of snow on the power rails |
| 06:16 | <Yaakov> | HELLO HOOPERCART |
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| 06:18 | <marius> | HELLO MARIUS |
| 06:19 | <linbot> | Point (0.20689237, 0.01017445) lies within the unit circle. Hits: 17514 of 22286 (π ≈ 3.143498160279997 - 0.001905506690203) |
| 06:19 | <HoopyCat> | !quantumpi |
| 06:19 | <HoopyCat> | g'morning |
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| 06:20 | <Yaakov> | HELLO MARRYUS |
| 06:20 | <marius> | Hai yaakov my prince |
| 06:20 | <Yaakov> | This Friday begins the adventure. |
| 06:22 | <czr> | the problems with telecity/linx provided me a good chance to explain how global routing works to a collegue. |
| 06:22 | <marius> | 1 full page of items left to grab images of |
| 06:22 | <czr> | so, it wasn't all a loss then :-). |
| 06:22 | <HoopyCat> | czr: i route, therefore, you are |
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| 06:23 | <czr> | I send evil particles to switch the bits in your routing table, therefore.. |
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| 06:23 | <HoopyCat> | i'm very comfortable with a CLI, therefore, the fact that i dumped coffee on my mouse is comparatively minor |
| 06:23 | <czr> | and interesting exersise is to take some critical-path code and work out the worst possible outcome caused by a single bit flip. it's fun. good drinking game too. |
| 06:23 | <HoopyCat> | lemme just go to amazon.com and buy a new mouse using one-click ord-- ffffffffffff |
| 06:23 | <linbot> | New news from forums: pureFTP and filezilla - upload stuck at 100% in General Discussion <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=6394>; |
| 06:24 | * | czr hands some tissues to hoopycat |
| 06:24 | <marius> | HoopyCat, tab-tab-tab-tab-tab-tab-tab-tab-tab-tab-tab-tab-tab-tab-enter = problem solved |
| 06:24 | * | czr pours some coffee on marius's tab |
| 06:25 | <marius> | of course; tab-tab-tab-tab-tab-tab-tab-tab-tab-tab-tab-tab-tab-tab--tab-enter = fuuuuuuuuuuu *starting over* |
| 06:25 | <czr> | I rob you of your precious UI element. |
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| 06:25 | <HoopyCat> | seems more of a local IO handle |
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| 06:26 | <Yaakov> | czr: Think of routing like two cats, make one black with a little white on it and the other white with a little black on it. You put them in different rooms but in the same building and feed one some food while but not the other. The litterbox is in a third, looked room but with windows so the cats can see it. When the cat that ate has to use it, the door will only unlock when the one who *didn't* eat meows. That's basically it. |
| 06:26 | <czr> | hah |
| 06:26 | <syberdave> | HoopyCat: ctrl+shift+numlock in X and you can use your number pad to move your mouse around |
| 06:26 | <HoopyCat> | Yaakov: what if the unfed cat dies? |
| 06:26 | <Yaakov> | s/looked/locked/ |
| 06:26 | <Yaakov> | HoopyCat: That's the Internet in a nutshell. |
| 06:26 | <czr> | HoopyCat, you buy a bigger cat to replace it |
| 06:26 | <HoopyCat> | syberdave: mouse still works, and i was looking for comedic effect, not a solution ;-) |
| 06:26 | <marius> | syberdave, that's handy to know :o (Now find me a winblows alternative) |
| 06:27 | <czr> | marius, windows is like a litter box. |
| 06:27 | <syberdave> | marius: windows has something like that in the accessibility thing in the control panel; i don't remember what it's called |
| 06:27 | <HoopyCat> | doesn't seem to work, alas. hmm |
| 06:27 | <HoopyCat> | anyway, afk, gotta drive through this shit |
| 06:28 | <Yaakov> | Windows is like one cat that insists it is a dog but looks like a horse. It's too big for any normal saddle so you have to ride bareback, but it keeps trying to eat you every few steps, and usually maanges to get some chunk of meat. |
| 06:28 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 06:28 | <czr> | heh |
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| 06:52 | <graq> | I wonder if my city-link package will arrive today. Their web site has been down all morning. |
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| 07:00 | <BarkerJr> | why is it that every time I install an update for bind, it chmod's /var/named so that bind doesn't have permission to write to it? |
| 07:00 | <BarkerJr> | then it restarts bind and it fails |
| 07:02 | <axod> | BarkerJr: what distro? |
| 07:02 | <axod> | never seen that in ubuntu |
| 07:02 | <BarkerJr> | centos |
| 07:02 | <axod> | hrm not sure sorry :/ |
| 07:02 | <BarkerJr> | of course yum doesn't tell me that bind failed to come up again, so it just leaves me with an outage |
| 07:03 | <warren> | BarkerJr: I use centos/rhel and I've never seen that problem |
| 07:05 | <BarkerJr> | I've tried setting it to 775 or changing the owner to named:named but every time they update bind it changes back to 755 and root:named |
| 07:05 | <BarkerJr> | course bind needs to be able to write to it slave zones and such |
| 07:06 | <warren> | BarkerJr: is this bind-chroot? |
| 07:06 | <warren> | BarkerJr: it has this goofy thing using bind mounts that might be confusing you |
| 07:06 | <BarkerJr> | I would guess not, unless centos does that by default |
| 07:07 | <warren> | why are you running bind anyway? |
| 07:07 | <BarkerJr> | so I can update my records minutely |
| 07:08 | <warren> | you running a dnsbl or something? |
| 07:08 | <axod> | several good reasons to run bind :/ |
| 07:09 | <BarkerJr> | no, HA failover between data centres |
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| 07:10 | <BarkerJr> | I would like to run a dnsbl, though |
| 07:10 | <BarkerJr> | dunno what I'd put in it, but it'd be fun |
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| 07:14 | <HoopyCat> | i shoulda brought my kindle so i could IRC while waiting for grandma meekturner to gather up enough courage to gently depress the accelerator pedal |
| 07:14 | * | HoopyCat bitches and moans about everyone else's driving |
| 07:15 | <marius> | I'm doign my night-drive course on thursday |
| 07:15 | <czr> | according to local surveys, 85% of finnish think they're above the average as drivers. |
| 07:15 | <marius> | that's another $200 wasted o nsomethign that's pointless |
| 07:15 | <czr> | marius, don't worry, it won't be your last completely wasted $200. |
| 07:15 | <marius> | I have ot pay $200, to sit in a car while someone else drives and tells me "see that man? well, now he's not wearing any reflective surfaces and you'd run him over!" |
| 07:16 | <HoopyCat> | czr: i'd believe it, especially in snow. |
| 07:16 | <czr> | you got it wrong. you should be asking how many points you could score in that situation. |
| 07:16 | <czr> | city-bike-couriers get 10 points over here. |
| 07:17 | <czr> | they're somewhat tricky to hit properly |
| 07:17 | <marius> | czr, one nearly ran me over in london xD |
| 07:17 | <czr> | (they're complete arseholes over here too) |
| 07:17 | <marius> | I'm used to how bikers are in norway; dead ahead, accelerate if people are about to step out infront of you |
| 07:17 | <marius> | so I stop up |
| 07:17 | <czr> | otoh, must be something that you must be in order to start in the business |
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| 07:17 | <marius> | but in London they aren't douchefags, so when I stsoppe dot let him pass, he nearly ran me over because he turned sideways to go behind me if I had kept wlaking |
| 07:18 | <czr> | ah. death via courtesy. |
| 07:18 | <czr> | not a bad way to go though. |
| 07:18 | <marius> | we don't have bike couriers in my town :P |
| 07:18 | <HoopyCat> | czr: the hakkapeliitta put nokia on the map, remember :-) |
| 07:18 | <marius> | we have people who think they are being enviromentally friendly |
| 07:18 | <czr> | HoopyCat, actually it was the rubber boots :-). |
| 07:18 | <czr> | and the crappy modems. |
| 07:18 | <marius> | the yspend thousnds of dollars on bikes and professional biker gear to cycle to work every morning |
| 07:18 | <marius> | causing traffic sitautions every god damn day |
| 07:18 | <czr> | "Osta Nokia, siina on mokia" = old unofficial slogan. "Buy a Nokia, it has faults". |
| 07:19 | <HoopyCat> | czr: more generally, things that are best used as traction in snowy conditions :-) |
| 07:19 | <czr> | yeah, except that they don't really do shit with loose snow :-). |
| 07:19 | <HoopyCat> | some carry sand; i carry old modems |
| 07:20 | <czr> | but it's funny to notice how some people assume that if they have 4 wheel drive, that will also mean that when they break on ice/loose snow, somehow their grip will be better. |
| 07:20 | <czr> | hehe |
| 07:20 | <HoopyCat> | czr: bahahaha... yes. |
| 07:20 | <Ethelim> | "aaaamericans" |
| 07:20 | <czr> | damn SUV-arseholes.. |
| 07:20 | <czr> | (not americans, but SUV drivers in general) |
| 07:20 | <HoopyCat> | czr: the annoying part is that they're usually immediately behind me when i'm a reasonable distance behind grandma meekturner |
| 07:20 | * | czr nods |
| 07:21 | <HoopyCat> | czr: headlights aimed right at my rear-view mirror... |
| 07:21 | <czr> | obviously. although my rear-view has optical something attenuation. |
| 07:21 | <Ethelim> | I used to drive one, but then I drive about in the mountains several times a year |
| 07:21 | <czr> | which is quite useful, otherwise i'd be blind by now |
| 07:22 | <czr> | Ethelim, over here, you don't really need an SUV for anything. they're useless off-road, but also idiotic in regular traffic |
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| 07:22 | <Ethelim> | my point was that people who don't drive in a certain environment ever, or barely ever, are no good at it for lack of experience. That includes thinking that the car type matters when trying to break on ice |
| 07:22 | <HoopyCat> | czr: mine too. the annoying part is that my braking strategy is to not brake if at all possible, and boy does it take them a little while to notice that i'm slowing at 1 to 2 km/h/s |
| 07:22 | <czr> | yes |
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| 07:22 | <czr> | HoopyCat, mine too |
| 07:22 | <BarkerJr> | big old heavy station wagons stop well on ice |
| 07:23 | <BarkerJr> | do they make station wagons anymore? |
| 07:23 | <HoopyCat> | czr: fortunately, i have a dent on the right rear corner that i'm hoping someone will pay to fix one of these days... |
| 07:23 | <Ethelim> | Always see people trying to break on downwards slopes, which on a slippery surface always goes wrong. Bunch of accidents there every year |
| 07:23 | <czr> | BarkerJr, that kind of model is quite popular here. although it's just an extended body, doesn't really make it more heavier |
| 07:24 | <czr> | well, I'd tell you a joke about the annual "SNOW SUPRISED DRIVERS" -headlines in the newpapers, but it's pointless |
| 07:24 | <HoopyCat> | (as we slammed into the snowbank at the side of the road at 105 km/h and slowly skidded to a stop, i knew right then that i'd found the limitations of my skid recovery ability) |
| 07:25 | <czr> | come first snow, we regularly get ~5 people dead in the capital area and about 200-300 minor accidents. during the first day. |
| 07:25 | <czr> | HoopyCat, heh, I suck at even slower speeds. at least I know it. |
| 07:25 | <BarkerJr> | driving while there is snow on the ground should be outlawed |
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| 07:26 | <encode> | my snow-driving ability is non-existent |
| 07:26 | <czr> | well, I did have a talk about it with a friend, and people used to know how to drive properly, even before winter tyres existed. |
| 07:26 | <czr> | so it's just people getting stupider. |
| 07:26 | <HoopyCat> | czr: http://hennepin.hoopycat.com/munin/hoopycat.com/framboise/monroecounty911.html ... 7:30am and we're already crankin' out the injury MVAs |
| 07:26 | <encode> | living in a city where it never snows |
| 07:26 | <Ethelim> | The appeal of SUVs (over here we distinguish between SUV and offroader, too) is that you sit higher up, gives you better sight of traffic, you see what's happening earlier on, makes for more relaxed driving. Besides the stability on slippery surfaces that was the appealing bit for me anyway. And you still have to mount snow chains, lots of suv drivers think the 4by4 improves their single tire traction |
| 07:26 | <encode> | I hate SUVs. Can't see through them to see what the traffic is like ahead of them |
| 07:27 | <czr> | damn I wish we'd have graphs like that, thanks hoopycat |
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| 07:27 | <encode> | and they're almost universally the worst drivers on teh road |
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| 07:27 | <czr> | Ethelim, except that the con is that you're now blocking visibility for others, not in SUVs. |
| 07:27 | <HoopyCat> | Ethelim: the visibility is fine in a "normal" car unless you're stuck behind a SUV. which is rare in the snow |
| 07:28 | <czr> | plus it seems that people driving SUVs have much heavier legs on the gas. |
| 07:28 | <czr> | feet? whatever. |
| 07:28 | <HoopyCat> | one thing i will give SUV drivers is that i usually don't end up stuck behind them in traffic in traffic |
| 07:28 | <Ethelim> | you just gotta go to areas where driving is trickier all year around, you'll have more practiced drivers. Mind, the bad ones always stick out, the good ones don't except in near accident situations |
| 07:28 | <czr> | because it seems safer.. |
| 07:28 | <HoopyCat> | err, in snow in traffic. in traffic in snow? |
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| 07:28 | <HoopyCat> | snowy traffic |
| 07:28 | <czr> | in traffic in traffic. |
| 07:28 | <czr> | resurcive driving 101 |
| 07:28 | <czr> | recursive even. |
| 07:28 | <encode> | in snow in #linode |
| 07:29 | <Ethelim> | Hoopy, depends on the ground. On US roads it is. On southern european ones it isn't |
| 07:29 | <HoopyCat> | it's like the integral of 2 traffic |
| 07:29 | <amitz> | in snow in snowy #linode |
| 07:29 | <encode> | in #linodey #linode |
| 07:29 | <@mikegrb> | mmm cake |
| 07:29 | <encode> | cakery cake |
| 07:29 | * | encode stops now |
| 07:29 | <Ethelim> | people call 911 to complain about barking dogs? :S |
| 07:29 | <amitz> | hmm surprise driving... |
| 07:30 | <czr> | Ethelim, was looking at that as well :-) |
| 07:30 | <czr> | it had some other funny entries too |
| 07:30 | <BarkerJr> | where else would you call? |
| 07:30 | <HoopyCat> | Ethelim: perhaps true. mind you, i do feel safer close to the ground, so i'm a little biased as far as comfort goes |
| 07:30 | <Ethelim> | good problem to have as a societa |
| 07:30 | <Ethelim> | *society |
| 07:30 | * | encode calls HoopyCat about the odor of smoke |
| 07:30 | <php> | Hello, How do I upgrade from php5.2.6 to php5.3.4 on debian? |
| 07:30 | <HoopyCat> | Ethelim: i always feel like i'm going to accidentally run over something or tip over when i'm too high up |
| 07:30 | <hawk> | BarkerJr: I guess if it's really a problem you could call the local police department? |
| 07:31 | <BarkerJr> | I don't know that phone number |
| 07:31 | <HoopyCat> | php: best bet would be to wait a little while for squeeze to be released... i think php 5.3.x is in there |
| 07:31 | <BarkerJr> | and I don't have time to look it up |
| 07:31 | <BarkerJr> | those 911 folks are bored most of the time anyway, right? |
| 07:31 | <amitz> | BarkerJr: we tradionally use sandal to solve such problem. :-p |
| 07:31 | <@mikegrb> | lulz |
| 07:31 | <BarkerJr> | lol |
| 07:31 | <php> | Ok, thanks |
| 07:32 | <Ethelim> | Hoopy: you do get used to it (imagine truck drivers!). But hey, people should drive what they like best. Some manufacturers sticking hybrid engines into most of their makes already makes that economically acceptable too |
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| 07:32 | * | czr looks for "yo dog, we know that you like traffic, so we put traffic in your traffic"-picture.. |
| 07:33 | <HoopyCat> | Ethelim: don't get me started on retrofit hybrids :-) |
| 07:33 | <czr> | hybrids aren't really popular over here |
| 07:33 | <Ethelim> | not talking retrofit :P and yea, let's not discuss hybrids. Let's saying we're getting there with time |
| 07:33 | <czr> | but then again, gas is so expensive that MPG has always been pretty good. |
| 07:34 | <amitz> | BarkerJr: the cheapest pair of sandal you can get is around USD 1, so it's 50 cent per ammo :-D |
| 07:34 | <Ethelim> | *say |
| 07:34 | <czr> | or rather, KPL |
| 07:34 | <amitz> | gas is going up btw -_- |
| 07:34 | <HoopyCat> | Ethelim: i'm a bit of a purist ('02 prius) |
| 07:34 | <HoopyCat> | czr: l/100 km |
| 07:34 | <czr> | HoopyCat, ah yes, true. |
| 07:35 | * | czr should be working anyway |
| 07:35 | * | HoopyCat should also be working |
| 07:35 | <BarkerJr> | amitz: if only dealing with car alarms was as easy |
| 07:35 | <amitz> | czr: talking makes you more productive later ;-) |
| 07:35 | <HoopyCat> | i have... a crapload of homework and a paper and a quiz and oh hell |
| 07:35 | <czr> | amitz, pass me some of what you're smoking please :-) |
| 07:36 | <czr> | I've been working with this piece of code almost 3 weeks now. |
| 07:36 | <czr> | slowest subproject ever. I blame it on #linode. |
| 07:36 | <HoopyCat> | going on coop next quarter, can't wait... 8 to 5 with an hour lunch, frickin' vacation right there... |
| 07:36 | <amitz> | BarkerJr: hmm good point. |
| 07:36 | <@mikegrb> | lulz |
| 07:36 | <Ethelim> | lol, I _almost_ got me the 2009 prius, but ended up spending the rest of the year in Australia on business, now I'm waiting for the next one |
| 07:37 | <amitz> | czr: I used to work on a code for 4 weeks, albeit I'm squeezing performance like crazy ;-) |
| 07:37 | <czr> | I would've probably gotten the prius, but it's just too ugly. |
| 07:37 | <HoopyCat> | Ethelim: i can assure you they work fine in snow and cold. i've started this baby at 0 deg C, +/- 40 deg C |
| 07:37 | <amitz> | s/'m/was/ |
| 07:37 | <czr> | amitz, I'm squeezing mostly "works-correctly"nance. |
| 07:38 | <HoopyCat> | czr: yeah, they're trying to make it look all aggressive 'cuz that's what we like. models <= 2003 are just plain cute |
| 07:38 | <czr> | HoopyCat, I got a mazfa 6 (2008 model) in the end |
| 07:38 | <czr> | mazfa.. the chinese version.. /me hides. |
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| 07:39 | <HoopyCat> | my wheelz: http://photo.hoopycat.com/v/MiscImages/1220081032.jpg.html |
| 07:39 | <HoopyCat> | (also, my wife) |
| 07:40 | <czr> | hah. almost as much snow as over here |
| 07:40 | <czr> | except maybe just about half? |
| 07:40 | <amitz> | HoopyCat: that's prius? oh.. not bad. |
| 07:40 | <HoopyCat> | czr: pic is about two years old. we now have an antenna on the trunk lid as a depth gauge |
| 07:41 | <czr> | oh, ok then :-). |
| 07:41 | <HoopyCat> | if the snow is up over the loading coil, leave 10 minutes early |
| 07:41 | <czr> | that's pretty good. do you clean your driveway too? |
| 07:41 | <Ethelim> | I always put auxiliary heaters in my cars, so cold doesn't matter (the heating is mostly for me so that I don't have to get in a car at -15 celsius in winter, but pre-heats the engine too of course) |
| 07:42 | <HoopyCat> | czr: my back prohibits such, but once in awhile our neighbor fires up her snowblower (we share a common driveway) |
| 07:42 | <czr> | I should probably get one for next winter. although the car is in garage (underground) during nights.. so it would be only useful when leaving work. |
| 07:42 | * | czr nods at hoopycat |
| 07:42 | <czr> | last winter there were a lot of roofs collapsing because of snow over here |
| 07:43 | <czr> | towards the spring when it started gaining moisture properly |
| 07:43 | <czr> | hasn't snowed that much since the 40s. |
| 07:43 | <Ethelim> | I love those things. You can time it to preheat the car to be cozy when you get back from an evening out, and it's good for engine longevity |
| 07:44 | <amitz> | wait... this prehet thing runs 24 hours a day when the car is not running? |
| 07:44 | <HoopyCat> | Ethelim: i start it as soon as i can get the door open and that's good enough... i care more about not having enough runtime to let the 12 V battery recover from overnight cold + power-on checks + rear defroster + front PTC elements + etc |
| 07:44 | <Ethelim> | no only when you turn it on |
| 07:44 | <czr> | it's popular over here to use the ones that run off external 240V |
| 07:44 | <Ethelim> | you turn it on 15-20 minutes before you get in the car, and it's nicely warm |
| 07:45 | <czr> | but also some people use ones that use diesel, which is more useful when you're not close to a socket |
| 07:45 | <amitz> | Ethelim: oh... you pre-heat the engine only right? what's the point then? I mean, it's a good habit to let the engine heat distributes first before starts driving, yes? |
| 07:45 | <HoopyCat> | Ethelim: when i was driving 2 miles each way and that was it, after a couple weeks my 12 V battery was very unhappy... that's the downside of the older prius, at least. my UPS has more amp-hours |
| 07:46 | <HoopyCat> | amitz: engines don't sound happy when you go wide-open-throttle before the oil has had a chance to liquify |
| 07:46 | <Ethelim> | the engine being pre-heated is a secondary effect, it's meant to defrost your windows and heat up the interior |
| 07:46 | <HoopyCat> | clickclickclickclickclickclickclick |
| 07:46 | <amitz> | ah.. secondary effect. |
| 07:47 | <amitz> | HoopyCat: ah, no full-pedal-push(?) then before everything is heated properly. |
| 07:47 | <Ethelim> | as in, it's for wimp drivers who enjoy the comfort of warm cars in the morning or evening, with the excuse that it also keeps the engine alive longer when you live in a region where it gets cold in winter |
| 07:48 | <ariel> | Unable to connect to BOS server: SSL Handshake Failed <<<< what does this mean? |
| 07:48 | <HoopyCat> | amitz: with throttle-by-wire, the engine management computer will usually not let you do too much too soon, but meh |
| 07:48 | <Ethelim> | mind you, it's also very helpful when you take your date back - warm car beats cold and uncomfortable car ;) |
| 07:49 | <HoopyCat> | ariel: usually means the server isn't speaking SSL, or the server and client can't agree on a common set of standards |
| 07:49 | <ariel> | HoopyCat, what would make it do that? |
| 07:49 | <amitz> | HoopyCat: throttle-by-wire is something that most cars have now, yes? anything above USD10,000? |
| 07:49 | <HoopyCat> | ariel: what is BOS? did it work before? |
| 07:50 | <ariel> | oh yeah everythign worked fine on my laptop before, and i have no idea.. its an error message from pidgin |
| 07:50 | <amitz> | Ethelim: warm car means no need to search for another source of warmness :-) |
| 07:50 | <czr> | amitz, yeah, nothing like cold hands while you're driving on a high-way in a snow storm |
| 07:50 | <HoopyCat> | amitz: hmm i wouldn't go that far... it's becoming more and more common tho, especially since the engine warmup period is a time of poor emissions |
| 07:51 | <czr> | HoopyCat, you mean high emissions surely? |
| 07:51 | <czr> | :-) |
| 07:51 | <BarkerJr> | people who have cars with alarms should be dragged out into the street and made to listen to them for half an hour every night |
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| 07:51 | <HoopyCat> | ariel: ahhh... odds are good some IM provider has changed the way they do things to break third-party clients. did you install pidgin from the pidgin people, or via your distribution? |
| 07:52 | <HoopyCat> | czr: high emissions are poor emissions :-) |
| 07:52 | <czr> | HoopyCat, so poor people have a lot of money? :-) |
| 07:52 | <amitz> | hmm I guess it takes more imagination for me to really appreciate the problem of cold and driving. Limited experience. |
| 07:52 | <czr> | hmm. actually that's quite true many times.. |
| 07:52 | <HoopyCat> | czr: poor people don't have good money :-) |
| 07:52 | <czr> | ah ok. only bad money. |
| 07:52 | <HoopyCat> | czr: if they didn't have bad money, they'd have no kind of money at all |
| 07:53 | <amitz> | BarkerJr: yeah, what's up with that, people who ignore car alarm going off. |
| 07:53 | <HoopyCat> | !wx KROC |
| 07:53 | <linbot> | HoopyCat: [metar] OBS at KROC: 12.2F/-11C, visibility 1 miles, wind 11.51 mph (altimeter: 29.59) [KROC 141202Z 29010KT 1SM R04/3500VP6000FT -SN BR BKN007 BKN015 OVC034 M11/M13 A2959 RMK AO2 TWR VIS 1 1/4 P0000] |
| 07:53 | <HoopyCat> | amitz: ^--- yeah |
| 07:53 | <Ethelim> | amitz: not when it's _that_ cold that you don't want open the jacket :P |
| 07:53 | <czr> | HoopyCat, they could have zimbabwean dollars though. |
| 07:53 | <HoopyCat> | oh shit, broken at 7000. gotta go fix it |
| 07:53 | <BarkerJr> | amitz: I think they park on the other side of the building from where they live so they don't have to hear it |
| 07:53 | <amitz> | Ethelim: see! I told you I still don't understand the subtlety of cold and driving ;-). |
| 07:54 | <HoopyCat> | czr: that's bad money |
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| 07:54 | <Ethelim> | imagine that touching the steering wheel is very unpleasant (and driving with warm gloves is a really bad idea) |
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| 07:54 | <amitz> | BarkerJr: okay, second thing is, what's up with people who buy flaky car alarm set or set it too high? |
| 07:55 | <BarkerJr> | :/ |
| 07:55 | <HoopyCat> | i have custom-knit gloves that are awesome for driving, except the thumb is a little long and i sometimes get it stuck in the rearview-mirror-dimming-lever |
| 07:55 | * | czr shrugs at driving with gloves |
| 07:55 | <czr> | works for me at least. |
| 07:55 | <czr> | obviously you lose some of the feel, but still. |
| 07:56 | <Ethelim> | over here you get martens and sometimes cats that trigger them. Though car manufacturers are getting better in taking the real world into account when calibrating those things |
| 07:56 | <HoopyCat> | anyway, back to work. to recap: take the racing slicks off, grandma |
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| 07:57 | <deejoe> | srsly |
| 07:58 | <deejoe> | HoopyCat: would it be taken wrong if I mentioned something about getting a good 8" inches overnight? |
| 07:59 | <czr> | as long as they're good inches. |
| 07:59 | <HoopyCat> | deejoe: http://twitter.com/hoopycat/status/14639520930603008 |
| 07:59 | <amitz> | I have a story... People around our house have too sensitive cars. So one really early morning, I heard a car alarm went off. I and my wife ignored it, yet another false alarm. We even spoke to each other, god dammit, whose car was that. I'm not sure how long has passed when suddenly she sat up and yell, "that's our car!" |
| 07:59 | * | graq . o O ( Yo inches are bad, boy! ) |
| 07:59 | <@mikegrb> | lulz |
| 07:59 | <Ethelim> | lol |
| 07:59 | <czr> | lulz |
| 08:00 | <HoopyCat> | deejoe: i think you're clear |
| 08:00 | * | czr notes the lack of symmetry |
| 08:00 | <amitz> | Long story short, I went out. Turns out someone was trying to break into our car -_- |
| 08:00 | <HoopyCat> | *foop* |
| 08:00 | * | graq . o O ( smack down! ) |
| 08:02 | <deejoe> | a car alarm working in the appropriate context? unconceivable! |
| 08:02 | <amitz> | and the funny thing was, I was trying to turn off the alarm! |
| 08:02 | <Ethelim> | hehe |
| 08:02 | <amitz> | and failed, which was why I went out. |
| 08:02 | <Ethelim> | not too much damage to the car I hope |
| 08:03 | <amitz> | well, broken key hole, cut off alarm cable. When I was going out, the alarm had stopped sounding (but still blinking) |
| 08:04 | <deejoe> | czr: the best ones--light and fluffy |
| 08:04 | <deejoe> | well, for clearing and for skiing/snowboarding/snowshoeing. Maybe not so much for building snowfolk and snow forts and having snowball fights |
| 08:04 | <amitz> | if by that time I went back to sleep, good bye car. Unfortunately, I thoutht I was already halfway so I better dealt with that god damn car. |
| 08:06 | <amitz> | and for the next few years, I use steer lock as added protection. |
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| 08:06 | <amitz> | no longer use it now :-p |
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| 09:03 | <pharaun> | haha |
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| 09:28 | <linbot> | New news from forums: Kernel selection for Gentoo in General Discussion <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=6395>; |
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| 09:28 | <megatron27> | tired |
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| 09:32 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 09:32 | <megatron27> | sfw? |
| 09:33 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
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| 09:34 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 09:35 | <megatron27> | my connection is quite slow |
| 09:35 | <megatron27> | it's still loading |
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| 09:35 | <megatron27> | SpaceHobo, http://sfbags.com/products/muzetto/muzetto.htm |
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| 09:35 | <megatron27> | I don't know whether my connection is slow or whether that server is slow |
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| 09:36 | <Peng|> | Both those pages were fast for me. |
| 09:36 | <amitz> | is sgu any good? thee series? |
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| 09:37 | <hobot> | I assume /teapot/ is russel's teapot |
| 09:37 | <megatron27> | amitz, if you want good sci-fi watch V or The Event |
| 09:37 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 09:37 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
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| 09:37 | <hobot> | we did it |
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| 09:37 | <megatron27> | my connection is crawling |
| 09:37 | <hobot> | id wear a russel's teapot shirt |
| 09:37 | <amitz> | megatron27: have watched v, but not the event. hmm |
| 09:37 | <hobot> | but teach the controversy is a dumb wording on it |
| 09:38 | <hobot> | I know its making fun of creationists but I dont like repeating anything they say |
| 09:38 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 09:38 | <hobot> | I know but its not that funny |
| 09:38 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 09:38 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
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| 09:38 | <megatron27> | I don't understand this teapot thing |
| 09:38 | <hobot> | god exists would be a funnier quote |
| 09:39 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 09:39 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 09:39 | <hobot> | russel's teapot is just a thought experiment where you take god and replace him with a magic teapot circling the sun |
| 09:39 | <hobot> | and you show the absolute ridiculousness of worshipping fairies |
| 09:39 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 09:40 | <megatron27> | have you guys read about the rogue planet theory |
| 09:40 | <megatron27> | where there are planets with strange orbits around the Sun |
| 09:40 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 09:40 | <hobot> | ive heard of it |
| 09:40 | <megatron27> | and that these planets come close to Earth every few hundred years |
| 09:40 | <megatron27> | probably :-) |
| 09:40 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 09:40 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
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| 09:40 | <hobot> | yeah anubis is coming |
| 09:40 | <tjfontaine> | it makes your teeth turn green |
| 09:41 | <megatron27> | yeah, Anubis! |
| 09:41 | <megatron27> | I saw it when searching for some things on Youtube |
| 09:41 | * | hobot wishes he was alive in 1985 |
| 09:41 | <megatron27> | well yeah, but these are planets |
| 09:42 | <megatron27> | the idea is that when these planets come close enough to Earth that lifeforms from those other planets visit us |
| 09:42 | <hobot> | the thing is just, ocams razor it a bit |
| 09:42 | <tjfontaine> | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comet_(song) |
| 09:42 | <hobot> | do you know how much a near orbit would fuck with the earth |
| 09:42 | <megatron27> | search for Nibiru on Youtube |
| 09:42 | <megatron27> | or Planet X |
| 09:42 | <megatron27> | or Anunnaki |
| 09:43 | <megatron27> | some people actually believe this stuff |
| 09:43 | <hobot> | yep |
| 09:44 | <hobot> | you can see it on the history channel if it is past 8pm |
| 09:44 | <@mikegrb> | lulz |
| 09:44 | <hobot> | lol |
| 09:44 | <megatron27> | ice road truckers >:D< |
| 09:45 | <hobot> | also the aliens visiting earth show is fucking cracked up, but its fun to get baked and watch it |
| 09:45 | <megatron27> | even they can make a documentary about that, surely a documentary about system administrators isn't too far off |
| 09:45 | <hobot> | they would have to do like a surviving horror stories type one |
| 09:45 | <hobot> | like they do with "I ALMOST DIED" |
| 09:45 | <hobot> | or whatever |
| 09:47 | <megatron27> | which show are you talking about? |
| 09:48 | <megatron27> | there's this Facebook competitor that limits the number of friends you can have to 50 |
| 09:48 | <megatron27> | I think it's a good idea |
| 09:48 | <czr> | indeed |
| 09:48 | <czr> | since I have only 0 friends. |
| 09:48 | <megatron27> | I'm you friend. |
| 09:48 | <hobot> | I have many friends but I revile facebook |
| 09:49 | * | czr hugs megatron27 |
| 09:49 | <hobot> | social networks are basically pressuring you into using their sites through your friends |
| 09:49 | <hobot> | fight the powa |
| 09:49 | <czr> | it's too late for me. mymum can't really use computers that much. and the fact that she got some pics posted on facebook forced me to join |
| 09:50 | <Peng> | megatron27: You like The Event? I caught the first couple episodes, and it seemed decent enough, but I didn't mind missing it. |
| 09:50 | <czr> | all given though, the fb experience hasn't been all bad. |
| 09:50 | <megatron27> | I haven't actually seen it, I'm sheepish in that I recommend what everyone else recommends. But I love V. |
| 09:50 | <hobot> | I liked the first few episodes of v then I stopped watching it |
| 09:51 | <megatron27> | I wish they'd make real sets instead of using green screens all the time |
| 09:51 | <Peng> | I haven't seen V. Was having issues with ABC reception when it was on. |
| 09:51 | <hobot> | the show I like to watch every episode of is lie to me |
| 09:51 | <Peng> | Ah! Someone else likes Lie to Me! |
| 09:51 | <megatron27> | urghhh Lie to Me is so boring now |
| 09:51 | <megatron27> | the first season was okay |
| 09:51 | <hobot> | yeah its taken some bad twists |
| 09:51 | <hobot> | but I think its gonna come back |
| 09:52 | <megatron27> | I'm waiting for the next season of V |
| 09:52 | <megatron27> | Lie to Me reminds me too much of House |
| 09:52 | * | czr stopped watching tv completely |
| 09:52 | <czr> | last thing I watched was BSG really. |
| 09:53 | <straterra> | Poor BSG |
| 09:53 | <straterra> | I miss BSG..and Firefly |
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| 09:53 | <megatron27> | yeah, Youtube is good enough |
| 09:53 | <czr> | never really got into firefly.. |
| 09:53 | <hobot> | yeah I disliked ff |
| 09:53 | <czr> | something doesn't add up in that series.. |
| 09:53 | <megatron27> | I liked Rubicon on AMC |
| 09:54 | <megatron27> | but they canceled it |
| 09:54 | <czr> | hah. finally managed to get the code tested on proper target. |
| 09:55 | <czr> | looks very good. /me dances happy code dance |
| 09:56 | <hobot> | the reason lie to me reminds you of house is because they are both based on the same source material |
| 09:56 | <hobot> | sherlock holmes |
| 09:56 | <hobot> | lie to me is closer to that source |
| 09:57 | <Peng> | Wait...who's Watson, then? |
| 09:58 | <hobot> | watson is houses friend with the brown hair |
| 09:58 | <hobot> | and the woman with the brown hair |
| 09:58 | <Peng> | In Lie to Me. |
| 09:58 | <hobot> | respectively |
| 09:58 | <Peng> | Ah. |
| 09:58 | <hobot> | both good but not as good as him |
| 09:58 | <hobot> | both offer interesting opinions and try to hold him back |
| 09:58 | <Peng> | Wait, which woman with brown hair? :P |
| 09:58 | <hobot> | I forget her name |
| 09:58 | <hobot> | shes the second in command |
| 09:59 | <Peng> | Jill, IIRC? |
| 09:59 | <hobot> | at the lightman institute |
| 09:59 | <Peng> | Maybe? |
| 09:59 | <Peng> | brb -- rsync |
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| 09:59 | <megatron27> | the only reason to watch Lie to Me - Gillian :D |
| 09:59 | <hobot> | gillian |
| 09:59 | <megatron27> | and Torres too |
| 09:59 | <hobot> | is her name |
| 09:59 | <megatron27> | but more for Gillian |
| 10:00 | <megatron27> | huh? |
| 10:00 | <Peng> | Ah, Gillian. |
| 10:00 | <megatron27> | did I spell it wrongly |
| 10:01 | <megatron27> | do you remember those flash back episodes back when Gillian was Lightman's therapist |
| 10:01 | <megatron27> | she looked so damn good in that one |
| 10:02 | <amitz> | ooh, Gillian. HOW. |
| 10:03 | <amitz> | Hot Older Woman! |
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| 10:03 | <megatron27> | what? there's more to a woman than how she looks! |
| 10:03 | <@jed> | if it's below freezing, don't pour the remainder of your coffee on the pavement outside the convenience store |
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| 10:03 | <@jed> | thanks, everybody else <3 |
| 10:04 | <amitz> | jed: it will become ice? |
| 10:04 | <amitz> | megatron27: she is somewhat sensual yet not overly sexual and cheap. |
| 10:05 | <megatron27> | sensual? there's more to a woman than how sensual she is |
| 10:06 | <Peng> | Yes, there's how she looks! |
| 10:06 | <Peng> | Sorry. /me hits himself with a fan. |
| 10:07 | <amitz> | megatron27: yes, the other factor is look! |
| 10:08 | <amitz> | oh wait, I was repeating Peng. Oh well :-p |
| 10:09 | * | Peng hits amitz with a fan too |
| 10:09 | <Peng> | brb rsync |
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| 10:11 | <Peng> | On a somewhat related note, apparently Mekhi Phifer from Lie to Me will be on Torchwood now. |
| 10:12 | <megatron27> | I didn't like his character on Lie to Me |
| 10:12 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 10:12 | <megatron27> | but not as useless as Emily |
| 10:12 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 10:13 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 10:13 | <megatron27> | did you guys hear about the Heroku acquisition |
| 10:14 | <megatron27> | I can't help but think that they overpaid even though I've never used it |
| 10:14 | <marius> | Peng: I didn't find Torchwood as exciting as DW it self |
| 10:14 | <Peng> | I don't remember what Heroku is. |
| 10:14 | <Peng> | I've never seen Torchwood. |
| 10:15 | <megatron27> | I think it's a way to easily deploy RoR apps |
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| 10:15 | <pharaun> | it is |
| 10:15 | <marius> | Torchwood is in my continued series |
| 10:15 | <pharaun> | some sort of "cloudy" way to deploy ruby/ror/etc type of app |
| 10:15 | <marius> | Season 4 is still TBA for airdate |
| 10:15 | <pharaun> | was season 3 for SG-u ever announced? |
| 10:16 | <megatron27> | they have node.js support too i think |
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| 10:16 | <Peng> | Ah, right. I don't use RoR so I never really cared about Heroku. :P |
| 10:16 | <marius> | SG-U is only halfway through season 2 I think |
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| 10:16 | <pharaun> | yeah i know but still :-p |
| 10:17 | <megatron27> | you use Django right? |
| 10:17 | <pharaun> | i want to know if there is any hope in hell of a s3 :) |
| 10:17 | <marius> | I think there is |
| 10:17 | <marius> | SG-U is quite popular |
| 10:17 | <amitz> | I like Jayma Mays... |
| 10:17 | <marius> | also; Sickbeard = <3 out of this world! |
| 10:17 | <Peng> | megatron27: Who uses Django? Me? |
| 10:18 | <megatron27> | yeah you |
| 10:18 | <amitz> | I was about to get SG-U, but nobody commented on it -_- |
| 10:18 | <megatron27> | maybe I'm mistaken |
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| 10:18 | <marius> | amitz, it's amazing |
| 10:18 | <Peng> | megatron27: I don't use anything. The last time I wrote a web app it was about 50 lines long. But if I was going to use something, it'd be Python and might be Django. |
| 10:18 | <marius> | You should all get SickBeard |
| 10:18 | <pharaun> | amitz: i like sgu session 1 but i'm biased :) its different from SGA & SG-1 |
| 10:19 | <megatron27> | imagine something like The Office but with a sci-fi twist. |
| 10:19 | <amitz> | damn, It will be sometime before I can access it again -_- |
| 10:19 | * | Perihelion slaps marius around a bit with a large cactus |
| 10:19 | <amitz> | megatron27: woah... interesting.. |
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| 10:20 | <megatron27> | is there a sci-fi mockumentary |
| 10:20 | <pharaun> | amitz: quit stalling, just go get SGU :) |
| 10:20 | <marius> | amitz, yo ucna grab them off me when I get home if you'd like |
| 10:21 | <megatron27> | anybody here use dna mail? I watch this podcast that they sponsor but till this day I don't get what they offer for Google Apps |
| 10:21 | <amitz> | my daily bandwidth is somewhat pathetic. I lost my ... uh... windows of chance for this week ;-) |
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| 10:21 | <megatron27> | I mean I can understand needing a hosted exchange solution, but why would I need managed google apps hosting |
| 10:21 | <pharaun> | amitz: how bad is it, surely its not 1gb/350mb per week? |
| 10:22 | <megatron27> | they're a reseller |
| 10:22 | <megatron27> | now I get it |
| 10:22 | <amitz> | pharaun: 3.1 mbps , quota of 400MB/day. But I was referring to uh...different method of grabbing ;-) |
| 10:23 | <megatron27> | daily quota? that sucks |
| 10:23 | <pharaun> | amitz: 400mb/day? wtf 0_o |
| 10:23 | <megatron27> | must be a 3G serice |
| 10:24 | <pharaun> | amitz: how the fuck do you get anything achieved, i tend to average a gigabyte a day without.... other stuff |
| 10:24 | <megatron27> | service** |
| 10:24 | <megatron27> | I bet he can only look at ASCII pr0n with that kind of quota |
| 10:24 | <pharaun> | indeed |
| 10:25 | <megatron27> | in a tar.gz file |
| 10:25 | <amitz> | pharaun: indeed, as megatron said, EVDO service. After 400MB, I can still browse but I will be throttled 153kbps |
| 10:25 | <amitz> | megatron27: haha |
| 10:26 | <megatron27> | Every year a new type of exercise device is invented that 200 manufacturers will clone. |
| 10:27 | <Peng> | Giant hamster wheels! |
| 10:27 | <megatron27> | I think it first started with the stair master right |
| 10:27 | <czr> | there's nothing wrong with ASCII art. |
| 10:28 | <megatron27> | then the ab machines |
| 10:28 | <megatron27> | aero walkers |
| 10:28 | <megatron27> | nordi track-like machines |
| 10:28 | <amitz> | megatron27: you're more knowledgeable than me... |
| 10:29 | <@Perihelion> | http://www.math.uchicago.edu/~mrwright/crochet/ |
| 10:29 | <@Perihelion> | wat. |
| 10:30 | <@Perihelion> | I'm impressed that someone was able to make a klein bottle out of yarn |
| 10:30 | <megatron27> | there's this device that they're selling that is like horse riding |
| 10:30 | <megatron27> | horse riding in your living room |
| 10:30 | <@Perihelion> | o.O |
| 10:30 | <pharaun> | amitz: ah, ew |
| 10:30 | <amitz> | czr: indeed, I used to be uh...excited over ascii art. |
| 10:32 | <pwnguin> | http://serverfault.com/q/210343/919 |
| 10:32 | <amitz> | horse riding.. |
| 10:32 | <pwnguin> | can you just mount a disk image from two linodes as rw? |
| 10:32 | <megatron27> | I don't understand this, but cool if it's true - http://www.aidsmap.com/page/1577949/ |
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| 10:33 | <czr> | amitz, yes! |
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| 10:33 | <czr> | and it's so much bandwidth friendlier too |
| 10:33 | <czr> | infact, I propose that all p0rn sites remove all the images and videos and just start using the 'alt'-text properly. |
| 10:34 | <czr> | that would probably cut about 40% of all inet traffic. |
| 10:34 | <amitz> | czr: we will save energy, save trees! |
| 10:34 | <pharaun> | http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2001067 <- ow |
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| 10:34 | <amitz> | czr: 40%? You mean 99.4%? |
| 10:35 | <megatron27> | yeah, but women will have to start dressing up like ASCII characters |
| 10:35 | <czr> | megatron27, my point exactly! |
| 10:35 | <czr> | men too. |
| 10:35 | <amitz> | I like CHR(20) dressing. |
| 10:35 | <HedgeMage> | There really is no good time to walk in here, is there? |
| 10:35 | <amitz> | HedgeMage: haha |
| 10:35 | <megatron27> | DKNY is okay too |
| 10:36 | <czr> | Perihelion, a klein bottle would make an awesome glove too. |
| 10:36 | <pharaun> | HedgeMage: there never is a good time :) |
| 10:37 | <Peng> | HedgeMage: It's always a great time to walk in here! |
| 10:37 | <pharaun> | HedgeMage: i find having logs keep my sanity.... somewhat sane cos i can backrefer to see WTF 0_o |
| 10:38 | <amitz> | pharaun: some people regret knowing ;-) |
| 10:38 | <megatron27> | amitz, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwocdImA6Z8 |
| 10:39 | <megatron27> | that's actually an exercise machine |
| 10:39 | <pharaun> | amitz: some people are already too... ruined by the internet to care :) |
| 10:39 | * | czr sends some logs to pharaun http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/02/Scaler2.jpg |
| 10:39 | <amitz> | megatron27: it's better be good, you're eating my 400MB ;-) |
| 10:39 | <megatron27> | it is |
| 10:39 | * | HedgeMage chuckles |
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| 10:39 | <megatron27> | amitz, watch the whole 30 seconds |
| 10:40 | <pharaun> | czr: ha |
| 10:40 | <megatron27> | can you really lose weight if the machine is doing all the work |
| 10:40 | <czr> | pharaun, can't really understand how you translate them into keeping sanity, but I will have to try them one day.. before it's too late :-). |
| 10:41 | <HedgeMage> | I don't suffer from insanity |
| 10:41 | <HedgeMage> | (I enjoy every minute) |
| 10:41 | <czr> | you enjoy it? |
| 10:41 | * | czr nods |
| 10:41 | <pharaun> | czr: cuz i gnaws on the log everytime i feel insanity coming :) |
| 10:41 | <czr> | pharaun, it helps? |
| 10:41 | <pharaun> | czr: i guess :) |
| 10:41 | <amitz> | megatron27: HAHAHA |
| 10:41 | * | czr writes it down |
| 10:43 | <megatron27> | amitz, get one |
| 10:43 | <pharaun> | megatron27: -_- wtf is that thing >_> |
| 10:44 | <amitz> | megatron27: recent machines tend to be like that, that is to move around such that you're forced to use your muscle to keep your balance/position. Good machine will make the whole process fun, with theme, and only requires using a very limited set of muscles. I seriously admire people who invent these kind of stuff, the better ones. |
| 10:44 | <megatron27> | pharaun, it's an exercise machine |
| 10:44 | <superdug> | amitz: meh, I'm just making a 100% digital copy of my soul |
| 10:44 | <pharaun> | megatron27: i know but still just 0_o |
| 10:45 | <amitz> | superdug: say wat? |
| 10:45 | <superdug> | amitz: digitise my soul |
| 10:45 | <@mikegrb> | lulz |
| 10:45 | <amitz> | megatron27: but yeah, this one is very lol-ing :-p |
| 10:45 | <pharaun> | superdug: but the question is, if you copy your soul to another machine then delete one copy, are you still you? :-p |
| 10:45 | <pharaun> | what if you have multiple copies, which is you? |
| 10:46 | <superdug> | pharaun: better question, can the world actually handle an n+1 "superdug situation" |
| 10:46 | <superdug> | the answer to that question, is simply, no |
| 10:46 | <megatron27> | my soul has a sha1sum of 8db9fc71022793eab9e700f5acf74640588cb598 so you'll know when you see me |
| 10:47 | <pharaun> | superdug: well if you accept the multiple-universe theorm, then yes/no :) it will spilt into 2, one that can, one that cannot :-p |
| 10:47 | <czr> | pharaun, that isn't even an interesting question. an interesting question is whether your original copy is you. |
| 10:47 | <pharaun> | czr: heh i knew i misquoted it somehow, :-p |
| 10:47 | <amitz> | damn, my wife told me it's been sold for god knows when.... |
| 10:47 | <superdug> | pharaun: support it, hell I embrace it, while I fully intend to make a digital perfect copy of myself, I'm not entirely sure how the hell I'm going to do it, but it will use linodes |
| 10:48 | <czr> | I wasn't aware of any quoting :-). |
| 10:48 | <superdug> | lots and lots of linodes |
| 10:48 | <pharaun> | czr: heh i read something like that, years ago, and was paraphasing it sort of |
| 10:48 | * | czr nods |
| 10:48 | <pharaun> | superdug: haha, linode++ :) |
| 10:49 | <pharaun> | wonders when i'm in 100% digital format, if i can setup a git repo of my soul/mind and branch and rebase as needed :) |
| 10:50 | <czr> | pharaun, of course |
| 10:51 | <czr> | but again, how would you know that you had? |
| 10:51 | <czr> | it's similar to fork(), except one that returns void. |
| 10:52 | <czr> | oh nice. only 400 errors during build |
| 10:52 | <amitz> | that topic.. way too much to talk about. /me find something to consume today's quota. |
| 10:52 | * | czr gnaws on logs for a while |
| 10:53 | <czr> | ah. "unterminated argument list gone wild". |
| 10:53 | * | pharaun pats czr back, there there, it'll be ok |
| 10:53 | <pharaun> | i just hope its not java :3 |
| 10:54 | <czr> | yeah, no logs would help there |
| 10:54 | <czr> | (it's C) |
| 10:54 | <pharaun> | ah fun |
| 10:54 | <amitz> | C debugging is probably like SQL debugging, there is an error but the error message barely helpful :-p |
| 10:54 | <pharaun> | amitz: better than c++ and templates |
| 10:54 | <czr> | neh. always start with the first one |
| 10:54 | <pharaun> | god help you |
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| 10:56 | <czr> | oh, it's not a biggie. the problem is debugging since the code runs on CPUs with just ~1KiB RAM |
| 10:56 | <amitz> | I meant, "There is something wrong near these words", WHAT! There really is no intent by the db companies to make a better error message. |
| 10:56 | <czr> | so the debugging options are rather limited :-) |
| 10:56 | <pharaun> | czr: oh embedded devel? |
| 10:57 | <pharaun> | yeah those can be a major bitch |
| 10:57 | <czr> | yes |
| 10:57 | <czr> | but I tend to pull out new code into something I can test separately before pushing it into the target |
| 10:57 | <pharaun> | did a few courses on embedded devel, for as much fun as it is, its still a bitch to debug |
| 10:57 | <czr> | that way one can do proper test vectors and all that. |
| 10:57 | <pharaun> | yeah |
| 10:58 | <Getty> | <wave> |
| 10:58 | <czr> | in theory, my code is crossable to run on Linux directly. in practice, I haven't really updated the linux specific parts of the platform dependant stuff, so it's not.. |
| 10:58 | <amitz> | czr: look at the bright side. it's a job with relatively high job security? ;-) |
| 10:58 | <czr> | amitz, probably, however job security never was of interest to me. |
| 10:58 | <czr> | it's a fun project. |
| 10:58 | <pharaun> | in theory if you abstract the HAL well on embedded system, it can be less... painful to test :) |
| 10:58 | <czr> | a lot of interesting problems. |
| 10:59 | <pharaun> | but ofc that's not including the fun hardware quirks/bugs |
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| 10:59 | <pharaun> | need to get off my butt and buy a couple of embedded board and have a go at it, got a few ideas i want to try out |
| 10:59 | <czr> | it is abstrated well. I just haven't kept up the linux "target" up with the changes that I've done to the other targets (AVR and ARM) |
| 10:59 | <pharaun> | hows arm programming? |
| 11:00 | <czr> | compared to what? and what kind of arm programming? |
| 11:00 | <pharaun> | only really done a bit of avr and some older hc*something* |
| 11:00 | <czr> | hc sounds like hitachi. avr is simpler than most ARM SoCs |
| 11:00 | <czr> | (bare-metal ARM that is) |
| 11:00 | <pharaun> | ah |
| 11:01 | <czr> | although the smaller cortexes might make things easier now |
| 11:01 | <czr> | esp wrt interrupt handling |
| 11:01 | <pharaun> | thats what i was wondering about |
| 11:01 | <czr> | with larger ARMs you'll get caches and mmu and all that crap. |
| 11:01 | <pharaun> | oh yeah |
| 11:02 | <pharaun> | haven't dealt with caches/mmu/etc |
| 11:02 | <czr> | smaller ARMs are ok, but still more complex than AVRs |
| 11:02 | <pharaun> | i kind of like AVR from what i've used |
| 11:02 | <pharaun> | haven't tried PIC but heard they were so quirky |
| 11:02 | <czr> | avr is ok for 8-bit stuff. anything else it starts creaking quite heavily |
| 11:02 | <czr> | well, we can't use PICs. no linux support. |
| 11:02 | <pharaun> | oh really? |
| 11:03 | <pharaun> | well out the window that idea goes then :) |
| 11:03 | <czr> | well, there might be some proprietary packaging of eclipse and prop commercial compilers and such |
| 11:03 | <czr> | but I want to keep everything based on publicly available gcc/binutils. |
| 11:03 | <pharaun> | yeah makes sense |
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| 11:05 | <czr> | our most complex design so far is around G45. ARM9 core @ 400MHz with DDR2. |
| 11:05 | <czr> | and I'm trying to keep it at that. getting anything more complex than that will drive me completely crazy. |
| 11:06 | <pharaun> | hahaha |
| 11:06 | <straterra> | Hmm..Are the Lord of the Rings books any good? I'm wanting to buy some ebooks..but its a toss up between LOTR and HGTTG |
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| 11:06 | <czr> | straterra, LOTR takes some time to warm up |
| 11:06 | <pharaun> | yeah |
| 11:06 | <czr> | HGTTG warms up pretty quickly |
| 11:06 | <pharaun> | its... good but *REALLY* SLOW |
| 11:06 | <czr> | indeed |
| 11:07 | <pharaun> | you'll have to endure pages and pages of just... i guess boilerplate stuff |
| 11:07 | <czr> | lorem ipsum lorem ipsum... |
| 11:07 | <straterra> | 10 pages about the green grass? |
| 11:07 | <straterra> | That's how the damn movies are |
| 11:07 | <pharaun> | till you start to get into the story/etc, I read them all once when i was a kid, and have all of the books, still haven't have the desire to re-read yet |
| 11:07 | <czr> | about geneology and stuff like that |
| 11:07 | <pharaun> | straterra: pretty much, |
| 11:07 | <straterra> | Greeeeaaaaat |
| 11:07 | <straterra> | HGTTG it is |
| 11:07 | <pharaun> | good story, adds in some nice details/background from the movie |
| 11:08 | <pharaun> | but yeah its just slow |
| 11:08 | <pharaun> | er i worded that pretty badly, what i mean it adds some more details and background to the story than the movies did |
| 11:08 | <czr> | I made a cardinal mistake yesternight. finally finished a book that kept me awake for many nights (The Skinner, by Neil Asher, very nice). well. instead of getting sleep.. I started another book. gahh. |
| 11:08 | <JshWright> | straterra: I'd suggest C.S. Lewis |
| 11:08 | * | czr hates books |
| 11:08 | <straterra> | JshWright: eeeehhhh |
| 11:08 | <JshWright> | either the Narnia series, or the Space trilogy |
| 11:08 | <straterra> | I've read enough C.S. Lewis books to want me to kill myself |
| 11:09 | <straterra> | Narnia was...ok |
| 11:09 | <@Perihelion> | Narnia <3 |
| 11:09 | <pharaun> | czr: heh i've been reading a ton of ebooks lately, on book 6 of the honor harrington series, out of uhh.... however many ha |
| 11:09 | <@Perihelion> | It was 9001 times better if you read it when you were young |
| 11:09 | <straterra> | But every time I hear C.S. Lewis, I think of The Screwtape Letters |
| 11:09 | <@Perihelion> | I read it again as an adult and wasn't as impressed. |
| 11:09 | <czr> | pharaun, I've yet to purchase my first ebook. |
| 11:09 | <JshWright> | straterra: Screwtape is probably in my top-10 list |
| 11:09 | <JshWright> | well, top-25 |
| 11:09 | <pharaun> | czr: heh mine was all from the baen free library \o/ |
| 11:10 | <czr> | or rather, I have a lot of ora pdfs, but that's technical stuff. literature = paper. |
| 11:10 | <straterra> | JshWright: seriously? |
| 11:10 | <czr> | pharaun, I worded it badly. paper++. |
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| 11:10 | <straterra> | I found the presentation interesting, but found the actual content kind of droning |
| 11:10 | <czr> | although, maybe I should try kindle or whathaveyounot. |
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| 11:10 | <pharaun> | czr: yeah i have a ton of books at home but no way to bring it here so i end up getting a kindle and am re-reading several series that i wanted to re-read but the books were at my parents house in storage |
| 11:10 | <jordanb> | Did they remove the ability to login to the console via ssh? |
| 11:10 | <czr> | pharaun, makes sense. |
| 11:10 | <@Perihelion> | jordanb: No |
| 11:11 | <pharaun> | czr: so in the end was just easier to get a kindle, stuff it full of books/etc so yeah :) it works pretty well actually, i was impressed, plus the price has dropped like 150$ for a kindle or so |
| 11:11 | <JshWright> | straterra: read The Great Divorce? |
| 11:11 | <jordanb> | murat[~]> ssh jordanb@newark96.linode.com |
| 11:11 | <jordanb> | jordanb@newark96.linode.com's password: |
| 11:11 | <jordanb> | Permission denied, please try again. |
| 11:11 | <czr> | pharaun, I friend at work has been quite impressed with it |
| 11:11 | <czr> | I might give it a shot. but still, I like my books.. I can't cuddle with kindle the same way I do with real books |
| 11:12 | <JshWright> | jordanb: that's almost certainly the wrong username |
| 11:12 | <pharaun> | czr: yeah, i just wish there was a..... cheaper way of re-building my entire library into ebook format, there's just something... awesome about being able to carry a whole library with you :) |
| 11:12 | <amitz> | pharaun++ |
| 11:12 | <czr> | pharaun, noted. |
| 11:12 | <pharaun> | czr: so that was the whole idea behind it :) |
| 11:12 | <@Perihelion> | jordanb: Are you using the right password? It's a different one from your login |
| 11:12 | <pharaun> | i still probably will buy a ton of books, but mainly hardback |
| 11:12 | <pharaun> | for the series that i like |
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| 11:12 | <czr> | pharaun, yup. I almost did the switch some years back when I almost moved to NYC after a job |
| 11:12 | <jordanb> | JshWright: That used to work, you login with your linode.come account username and password, on the host where your linode is located |
| 11:12 | <czr> | but immigration politics stopped that project :-). |
| 11:12 | <pharaun> | probably will become more of ebook/hardback vs the current allocation of paperback/hardback |
| 11:13 | <pharaun> | but who knows, need to look into a book scanner of some sort, would help getting some of my books into ebook format, but not sure if its a realstic idea |
| 11:13 | <@Perihelion> | jordanb: See PM |
| 11:13 | <JshWright> | jordanb: lish has always been linodeid@host |
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| 11:13 | <amitz> | pharaun: it will destroy your book... book scanner. |
| 11:14 | <pharaun> | czr: yeah i'm thinking of looking into buying one of those... leather cover or something to simulate a book, more comfortable to hold, but the kindle isn't too bad so far :) |
| 11:14 | <czr> | pharaun, my best bet was physically cutting the "glue back side" of books with large "guillotuines" that they use in prints, then feed the papers through a copying machine (that doubles as a scanner). completely desctructive process though. |
| 11:14 | <pharaun> | amitz: i've seen some... non-destructive ones |
| 11:14 | <amitz> | pharaun: oh.... |
| 11:14 | <czr> | pharaun, get one with the reading light in it (led) |
| 11:14 | <pharaun> | but those probably are going to be slow :-\ |
| 11:14 | <straterra> | I hate Amazon's book store sometimes |
| 11:14 | <pharaun> | czr: yeah i have one but its a cliponm, does not work very well but its enough for the time being |
| 11:14 | * | czr nods |
| 11:15 | <czr> | I can ask a friend what he got. he's happy with it at least |
| 11:15 | <pharaun> | never liked book lights myself, just seems awkward/etc but with the kindle... it might work well cos it'll be built into the cover/etc |
| 11:15 | <pharaun> | and the kindle is still lighter than my hardback for most part, a bit heavier/larger than paperback, decent compromise |
| 11:15 | <_stink_work> | hey folks - i'd like to deploy a second distribution on my linode, using disk space that is left unallocated. then i plan to mount the drive from the first configuration i did (long ago) on the new one to help move stuff over. i can't tell how to deploy the second distro onto the free space. any advice? |
| 11:15 | <straterra> | WTF is the different between http://tinyurl.com/3yqgkl4 and http://tinyurl.com/35xr9uh ? |
| 11:15 | <czr> | pharaun, I just wish it would have larger screen. |
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| 11:16 | <pharaun> | czr: indeed, there's the kindle dx.... almost got that but too big |
| 11:16 | <pharaun> | czr: i wanted something that i could stick in my pocket and take with me on the go |
| 11:16 | <czr> | yeah |
| 11:16 | <amitz> | _stink_work: have you shrinked your first distrubution as to provide space for the second distribution? |
| 11:16 | <czr> | I'm still undecided. ipad is too large at least |
| 11:16 | <czr> | (as a size factor that is) |
| 11:16 | <straterra> | The 3g Kindle is AWESOME |
| 11:16 | <pharaun> | straterra: ohh, i think first one the hitchhiker is just one book, the other one is the full series |
| 11:16 | <pharaun> | i don't like ipad |
| 11:17 | <amitz> | Samsung Galaxy Tab, but not that pleasing to the eyes. |
| 11:17 | <pharaun> | its too heavy 1.5 lb, and etc |
| 11:17 | <straterra> | I bought two for christmas gifts..its just as reading paper |
| 11:17 | <amitz> | compared to kindle. |
| 11:17 | <czr> | amitz, ugh, really didn't like that one |
| 11:17 | <straterra> | And battery lasts forever |
| 11:17 | <_stink_work> | amitz: yep, there's room. not sure if i need to create a new disk in that unallocated drive space or if the deployment stuff does that for me |
| 11:17 | <czr> | the form factor was ok, but the UI-experience was complete crap |
| 11:17 | <pharaun> | straterra: amen, that's one of the biggest motivation for the kindle, the smaller format factor, the weight, the ... pretty much forever battery, etc.. :) |
| 11:17 | <straterra> | pharaun: the ultimate is only 832 pages :/ |
| 11:17 | <czr> | yeah. eink <3. |
| 11:18 | <pharaun> | straterra: almost just like paper :) only thing that annoys me is its somewhat like a shinny paper so in direct light it glares a bit :-\ but otherwise its awesome |
| 11:18 | <czr> | pharaun, http://www.amazon.com/Kindle-Lighted-Leather-Display-Generation/dp/B003DZ165W/ref=pd_sim_e_30 this was the one that the friend got |
| 11:18 | <pharaun> | i don't get why haters hates on eink, the whole idea is just awesome and it does not make my eyes bleed like LCD does |
| 11:18 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 11:18 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 11:18 | <amitz> | _stink_work: if I get your q correctly, you make a new disk on that unallocated drive space. But the fact that you're confused with this, makes me unsure that I get your question right... |
| 11:18 | <pharaun> | straterra: oh only 832? 0_o |
| 11:18 | <pharaun> | straterra: oh the other one is 208 and the ulitmate is 832 pages |
| 11:19 | <czr> | larger font. |
| 11:19 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 11:19 | <pharaun> | czr: oh haha yes, that was the one i was thinking of getting |
| 11:19 | <pharaun> | czr: eh? both are ebook, and kindle allows you to resize the fonts |
| 11:19 | <czr> | pharaun, joke |
| 11:19 | <pharaun> | czr: oh :) |
| 11:20 | <_stink_work> | amitz: maybe i'm not explaining it well. i did create a new disk in the unallocated space, but when i go to deploy a new distro, i don't see a way to choose the new drive as a "target" |
| 11:20 | <pharaun> | <--- is too literal sometime |
| 11:20 | <tjfontaine> | urmom |
| 11:20 | <pharaun> | I'm just happy that the kindle is not one of those damn touch screen ebook reader, seen some, and they have finger oil smugles all over the damn place, but man the touchscreen thing kind of annoys me why |
| 11:21 | <pharaun> | everytime someone wants to look at the kindle, i hand it to them and first thing they do is start jabbing and poking the screen and smearing their finger shite all over the screen *SIIIGH* |
| 11:21 | <straterra> | If you have a kindle, get one of these.. http://tinyurl.com/35xr9uh |
| 11:21 | <straterra> | ITS ESSENTIAL |
| 11:21 | <straterra> | Pulls power from the Kindle for a LED light |
| 11:22 | <JshWright> | straterra: wrong link |
| 11:22 | <straterra> | gah |
| 11:22 | <czr> | heh. good one though ;-) |
| 11:22 | <pharaun> | straterra: ... you just linked me to the ultimate hitchliker |
| 11:22 | <pharaun> | lmao |
| 11:22 | <straterra> | http://www.amazon.com/Kindle-Lighted-Leather-Display-Generation/dp/B003DZ165W |
| 11:22 | <czr> | deja vu |
| 11:22 | <straterra> | Stupid copy |
| 11:22 | <pharaun> | straterra: haha yes, i'm thinking of getting one of those :) |
| 11:22 | <pharaun> | straterra: btw czr posted that link a bit earlier ^^ :-p |
| 11:22 | <straterra> | pharaun: They are incredibly nice..great quality, looks good, feels good and you get a light |
| 11:23 | <straterra> | Lies |
| 11:23 | <pharaun> | indeed, i'm usually not a fan of lights/etc on my books, but in that format, and etc i might have to get one, it looks really nice :) |
| 11:23 | <JshWright> | does the light illuminate the display evenly enough? |
| 11:23 | <pharaun> | JshWright: in my experience, as long as you have some amount of lighting, and its not direct spotlight, its usually enough for reading on the kindle |
| 11:24 | <straterra> | JshWright: It's not 100% even, but you can see everything |
| 11:24 | <pharaun> | straterra: hows the glare? |
| 11:24 | <straterra> | None |
| 11:25 | <amitz> | _stink_work: some of my next ideas are coming from my memory, so double check is mandatory. I think you deploy a new distro instead of just creating another disk image. |
| 11:25 | <pharaun> | straterra: i've had some problems with overly bright light or spot light reflecting back enough to make it annoying |
| 11:25 | <amitz> | or you can create a boot profile to use your newly made disk image. |
| 11:25 | <straterra> | It works great |
| 11:26 | <pharaun> | sweetness :) |
| 11:27 | <_stink_work> | amitz: ah, ok. thanks for the advice! |
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| 11:29 | <czr> | right. here goes nothing /me starts testing on the real hardware again |
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| 11:30 | <pharaun> | good luck :-p |
| 11:30 | <czr> | I'm rewriting the digital io input side of pretty much all the lower level stuff that we have |
| 11:31 | <czr> | so, it would be nice if it would work. otherwise bad things will happen :-). |
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| 11:33 | <pharaun> | http://professionalsuperhero.com/ <--- i think its a warning signal that i can actually understand all of the buzz word in that *sigh* |
| 11:33 | <amitz> | _stink_work: np |
| 11:35 | <amitz> | pharaun: hahah |
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| 11:44 | <czr> | bah. doesn't work :-(. /me is sad.. |
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| 11:46 | <amitz> | there is tomorrow. |
| 11:47 | <amitz> | and the day after ;-) if necessary |
| 11:47 | <czr> | or.. I could just push it into mainline and see how systems will fall down around finland. |
| 11:47 | <czr> | if I would be evilly inclined. |
| 11:48 | <czr> | I blame it on.. gnawing logs. |
| 11:48 | <czr> | didn't suit me it seems. |
| 11:50 | <pharaun> | czr: hehe each for their own i guess :) |
| 11:50 | <pharaun> | i wonder what's avail for lunch today hmm |
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| 11:58 | <czr> | bleh. I need to write better test framework for it. |
| 11:58 | <czr> | that can indeed wait until tomorrow. |
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| 11:58 | <czr> | so, cheerio #linode -> |
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| 11:59 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
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| 12:26 | <Ethelim> | changing collation of one database field boosted the i/o rate to over 2k -_- |
| 12:29 | <HoopyCat> | Assuming "field" is a column | Use "field" as a pasture instead |
| 12:29 | <HoopyCat> | Assuming "database" is a MySQL database | Use "database" as a word instead |
| 12:30 | <HoopyCat> | Ethelim: just during the update, or ongoing? |
| 12:30 | <Ethelim> | just right now while I'm fixing the collation, the rest of the time i/o is minimal |
| 12:31 | <Ethelim> | phpmyadmin keeps making me call it field |
| 12:31 | <pharaun> | lulz |
| 12:31 | <blognewb> | does anyone happen to know the name of that microinvesting / microfinancing social network site? it's like an eBay / facebook type of site but you bid on loans from people's testimonials. is it hosted by linode? |
| 12:32 | <HoopyCat> | blognewb: Kiva? |
| 12:32 | <HoopyCat> | !ipinfo www.kiva.org |
| 12:32 | <linbot> | HoopyCat: IP: 64.13.137.132; rDNS: www.kiva.org; ASN adv net: 64.13.128.0/18; ASN: AS8121; ASN owner: TCH Network Services; ASN reg: 1997-04-17; Abuse contact: abuse-support-staff@svcolo.com; Net owner: Silicon Valley Colocation, Inc.; City: Mountain View; State: California; Postal code: 94039; Country: US; Domains: 3; http://revip.info/lookup/64.13.137.132 |
| 12:32 | <HoopyCat> | and probably not |
| 12:32 | <Ethelim> | there's pledgebank |
| 12:32 | <blognewb> | hm no |
| 12:32 | <Ethelim> | and another one |
| 12:33 | <blognewb> | i guess the term i am looking for is *peer lending* websites |
| 12:33 | <Null_> | quick ircd question. There an easy way to disable the /nick command? Would prefer users can't change their nicks, at all. I'm currently using hybrid-ircd |
| 12:33 | <blognewb> | oh i think its prosper.com one of them |
| 12:34 | <Ethelim> | HoopyCat: strangely enough I got that warning only on the production linode, not on the development one which actually has a slightly bigger database |
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| 12:36 | <Ethelim> | blognewb: kickstarter.com is another one |
| 12:36 | <blognewb> | Ethelim hey which one came out within the time prosper launched? |
| 12:37 | <Ethelim> | I wouldn't know, not familiar with prosper |
| 12:37 | <HoopyCat> | kickstarter isn't so much lending as it is granting |
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| 12:38 | <HoopyCat> | Ethelim: if phpmyadmin calls columns "fields", what does it call rows? |
| 12:38 | <tjfontaine> | lines |
| 12:38 | <tjfontaine> | :P |
| 12:38 | <blognewb> | HoopyCat what do you think of such investment? |
| 12:38 | <blognewb> | good returen? |
| 12:38 | <blognewb> | return* |
| 12:39 | <Ethelim> | it calls them rows :P |
| 12:39 | <HoopyCat> | Ethelim: well that's just silly :-) |
| 12:39 | <Ethelim> | wrong tree mista :P |
| 12:40 | <HoopyCat> | blognewb: dunno. i've only used kickstarter as a donor, and i think it worked well. ($0 return, but a project i enjoy got the money it needed) |
| 12:40 | <blognewb> | what? phpmyadmin calls columns fields? |
| 12:40 | <blognewb> | oh right |
| 12:40 | <blognewb> | HoopyCat you're too kind |
| 12:41 | <tjfontaine> | too kind to urmom |
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| 12:42 | <HoopyCat> | blognewb: i chucked in the equivalent of a few hours' work to support someone else's endeavour to do something i want to have done :-) |
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| 12:42 | <HoopyCat> | thereby saving myself... hundreds of hours |
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| 12:43 | <HoopyCat> | mind you, it's actual software and not something like a nanorobotic beard trimmer |
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| 12:43 | <blognewb> | wait what? |
| 12:46 | <blognewb> | so it's someone else's project, and not that you outsourced a particular work? |
| 12:48 | <JshWright> | When I left my office to go downstairs for a drink, the dog was lying on her bed, and the cat was lying on a windbreaker that had fallen on the floor. When I came back, they had switched places (mind you, the dog's bed is _huge_ for the cat, and the dog looks absurd trying to curl up on a smalling windbreaker) |
| 12:49 | <JshWright> | s/smalling/smallish/ |
| 12:50 | <pharaun> | hahaha |
| 12:51 | <JshWright> | sometimes I don't understand my pets... my guess is the dog got up to follow me, and the cat stole her bed, when the dog got back, she figured it was easier to curl up on the jacket than to try to evict the cat |
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| 12:54 | <ejp> | I think the dog made the right call |
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| 12:58 | <pharaun> | JshWright: heh that's pretty cute :) |
| 12:58 | <zweckdev> | hey |
| 12:58 | <zweckdev> | i cannot ssh to my server |
| 12:58 | <zweckdev> | i dont know is a local problem, or anything else |
| 12:59 | <zweckdev> | can someone help? |
| 13:00 | <amitz> | be more specific on what's the error message is. |
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| 13:06 | <MJCS> | totally not a linode question (but how many of mine really are). Does anyone here have a full img or iso of a bartpe with malware removal utils installed? |
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| 13:19 | <tjfontaine> | I believe that's called format and reinstall |
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| 13:32 | <JshWright> | the backwards cat and dog: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/242419/2010-12-14%2013.30.03.jpg |
| 13:32 | <pharaun> | JshWright: haha cute :) |
| 13:32 | <tjfontaine> | why do they always do that |
| 13:32 | <tjfontaine> | I am dog, I fit tiny |
| 13:33 | <tjfontaine> | queen cat need space |
| 13:33 | <JshWright> | unless it's a box... then the smaller the better for the cat |
| 13:34 | <@Perihelion> | Ours used to sleep in paper bags that we left on the floor |
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| 14:29 | <Yaakov> | BOOM |
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| 14:34 | <tjfontaine> | you owe linode a nickel for each invocation |
| 14:35 | <pharaun> | jesus christ, just lost a few hour of code work |
| 14:35 | <pharaun> | ugh |
| 14:35 | <@Perihelion> | D: |
| 14:35 | <pharaun> | fucking clearcase |
| 14:36 | <pharaun> | was able to rebuild and redo it quickly that i knew what I was doing, but i wish we used GIT or something nicer that would allow me to do local commits then smash em together into a nice feature commit and deliver that |
| 14:36 | <Peng> | You could run git in your ClearCase repo thingy, no? |
| 14:36 | <tjfontaine> | feature branches? |
| 14:37 | <pharaun> | not sure if i could in clearcase |
| 14:37 | <pharaun> | its really fussy |
| 14:37 | <bob2> | oh clearcase |
| 14:38 | <pharaun> | Peng: what you mean? what I tend to do in GIT is that i will do multiple local commit till a feature is complete, then squash it together into one commit for "that" feature |
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| 14:38 | <sirpengi> | then why not just do that? except you'll be sending the patches to yourself for applying to the cc repo |
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| 14:39 | <sirpengi> | also, no idea how mature this is: https://github.com/charleso/git-cc |
| 14:39 | <pharaun> | sirpengi: its a very heavyweight project, like.... last time i checked, 600,000+ in my project repo alone |
| 14:39 | <@pparadis> | s/GIT/Git/ |
| 14:39 | <Peng> | I don't know anything about ClearCase. |
| 14:39 | <pharaun> | sirpengi: yeah it won't work, on the git-cc i've looked, but we are doing specalized setup with clearcase ugh |
| 14:39 | <Peng> | pharaun: You could just track the files you're currently working on in git. |
| 14:39 | <tjfontaine> | gIT |
| 14:40 | <pharaun> | Peng: i can try, its windows :[ |
| 14:40 | <Peng> | tjfontaine: Like Apple, only with a G! |
| 14:40 | <tjfontaine> | Peng: o g gangsta |
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| 14:40 | <tjfontaine> | g - UNIT |
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| 14:40 | <pharaun> | Peng: i personally liked the pun - iRon Man :-p |
| 14:40 | <@pparadis> | tjfontaine++ |
| 14:40 | <linbot> | New news from forums: Cannot boot stock Fedora 13 kernel under PV_GRUB in General Discussion <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=6397>; |
| 14:40 | <tjfontaine> | pparadis++ |
| 14:41 | <pharaun> | well, all of my unit tests has passed, so that means i'm back to where i was before this code idiotdump |
| 14:42 | <pharaun> | going to have to see how hard it is to get git to work with clearcase |
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| 14:46 | <pharaun> | well... yay for unit tests, it all passes :-D let's get this son of a bitch delivered and i'm done! |
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| 14:58 | <sirpengi> | done for? |
| 14:58 | <pharaun> | the feature/project/whatever, it has been dragging on for a while (work) |
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| 15:18 | <linbot> | New news from forums: Compressing Javascript files. in Performance and Tuning <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=6391>; |
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| 16:14 | <straterra> | jed: Yo dawg, I heard you like tunnels..so I put OVPN over your GRE so you can shrink your MTU while you shrink your MTU. |
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| 16:14 | <Nivex> | gah! ircnet crosstalk! |
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| 16:15 | <tjfontaine> | Nivex: killl |
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| 16:15 | <straterra> | HAH |
| 16:15 | <straterra> | Nivex: YOU CROSSED THE STREAMS |
| 16:16 | <Nivex> | tjfontaine: go ahead and kill straterra |
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| 16:16 | <tjfontaine> | /kill straterra decontaminated |
| 16:17 | <Getty> | straterra: damn i just watched it some days ago ;) |
| 16:19 | <straterra> | tjfontaine: I think this is the only channel I'm on OFTC for :/ |
| 16:19 | * | jed convulses |
| 16:19 | <pharaun> | I'm in two! |
| 16:19 | <straterra> | tjfontaine: Can you tell if I'm using IPv6/SSL |
| 16:19 | <tjfontaine> | straterra: yes to both |
| 16:19 | <straterra> | And what chans I'm in? |
| 16:20 | <tjfontaine> | just linod |
| 16:20 | <tjfontaine> | e |
| 16:20 | <straterra> | MY LINODES ARE SECURE |
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| 16:21 | <Nivex> | two on oftc, seven on freenode |
| 16:21 | <straterra> | I have 42 windows open in irssi atm :/ |
| 16:21 | <Nivex> | dayum |
| 16:21 | <@jed> | tcpdump -ni straterra0 -c 1000 port 6667 |
| 16:22 | <@jed> | oops, ww |
| 16:22 | <straterra> | jed: It's SSL.. try 7000 |
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| 16:23 | <straterra> | I'm a little depressed..all of my ipv6 traffic is incoming DNS (for some reason), and IRC |
| 16:24 | <Steve^> | 0.2% of the world uses IPv6 |
| 16:24 | <Steve^> | People don't seem too bothered |
| 16:24 | <Nivex> | it will be interesting to watch that number skyrocket |
| 16:24 | <Steve^> | I'm not yet sure what I need to do to become IPv6 compliant |
| 16:25 | <ejp> | I still think you'll see a lot more NATs before you see IPv6 |
| 16:25 | <Steve^> | Google IPv6 and the 8th result is "Microsoft Internet Protocol Version 6 (IPv6)" |
| 16:26 | <ejp> | oddly enough the only part of my network that can't do 6 is my gateway. |
| 16:26 | <Steve^> | http://www.ipv6actnow.org/ doesn't have a section for little me |
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| 16:26 | <straterra> | Mine is a print server |
| 16:26 | <ejp> | oh, you know, I bet my old laserjet with jetdirect card doesn't either. |
| 16:27 | <Nivex> | ejp: CGN will be a disaster |
| 16:27 | <ejp> | it's not like my internal network *needs* to be 6. |
| 16:28 | <Nivex> | ejp: not at the moment, but it is wise to start learning now |
| 16:28 | <ejp> | I'm all win7, so drop a RA on the network somewhere and off it goes. |
| 16:28 | <Steve^> | So, do I need to do anything? |
| 16:29 | <Steve^> | dig -6 gives a depressingly v4 result |
| 16:30 | <ejp> | I figure in the short term to play with it I'd forward proto41 through my gateway to my linux box and use that for 6 access |
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| 16:38 | * | pharaun mmmm bacon |
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| 16:39 | <Peng> | Netflix can stream over IPv6, so you can use bandwidth. (Just not on Linux, bah!) And there are those v6 news servers... |
| 16:40 | <pharaun> | i wonder if the wrt54g default firmware can deal with ipv6 |
| 16:40 | <pharaun> | everything else i got i think does ipv6 np |
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| 16:42 | <Peng> | Also, apparently YouTube does v6, if you're in the Google v6 DNS program. |
| 16:43 | <pharaun> | i'm using ipv6.google.com |
| 16:47 | <straterra> | pharaun: no |
| 16:47 | <straterra> | WRT wrt54g default firmware |
| 16:48 | <pharaun> | straterra: on wrt54g? yeah, i figured, its easy enough to flash it anyway, was just wondering, was using it as an accesspoint anyway |
| 16:48 | <straterra> | I don't think the 360 uses ipv6 for its netflix |
| 16:48 | <straterra> | It'd be very nice if it did, but I doubt it |
| 16:48 | <pharaun> | probably ipv4 |
| 16:49 | <pharaun> | won't be surprised if ISP either start to NAT their consumers, or provide some sort of modem/router that does all the ipv6/4 bs so that the customer computer/network can just keep on working with ipv4 |
| 16:49 | <pharaun> | really should sit down and figure out the comcast ipv6 thing |
| 16:49 | <straterra> | Cue DOCSIS 3 |
| 16:49 | <pharaun> | yeah i think comcast is mostly docsis3 |
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| 16:57 | <pharaun> | I need to put a sticker on my kindle3 - "THIS IS NOT A TOUCH ENABLED DEVICE, HANDS OFF" |
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| 16:57 | <tjfontaine> | phail |
| 16:58 | <mbreslin> | pharaun: just make a screensaver with those words on it, people will think it's a sticker |
| 16:58 | <@mikegrb> | lulz |
| 16:58 | <pharaun> | lol |
| 16:58 | <Nivex> | right now the best thing is dual stack. nat the heck out of your v4 if you absolutely must, use v6 for end to end |
| 16:59 | <mbreslin> | i don't know about you but the instructions or whatever that come on the kindle3 i tried to peel it off for a few minutes |
| 16:59 | <Nivex> | eventually everyone will realize that nat is the damn devil and it will go away |
| 16:59 | <mbreslin> | e-ink is pretty amazing |
| 16:59 | <pharaun> | i already got a HE tunnel on my desktop, outta to push it on over to my router and turn everything into ipv6 |
| 16:59 | <pharaun> | mbreslin: indeed it is :) when i pulled it out i was awed at how detailed/awesome it was |
| 17:00 | <mbreslin> | i told my wife about trying to peel it off, she goes wait so that's not a sticker |
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| 17:00 | <@mikegrb> | lulz |
| 17:00 | <pharaun> | lol |
| 17:00 | <pharaun> | mbreslin: you know you have a good eink when people think its a label :) |
| 17:01 | <mbreslin> | i certainly did |
| 17:01 | <mbreslin> | connect to usb or whatever |
| 17:01 | <mbreslin> | i'm like how do i get this off |
| 17:01 | <pharaun> | yeah, haha the connect it to usb clued me in cos when i got it it changed a bit and i was like oh |
| 17:01 | <mbreslin> | then you plug it in and the screen flashes |
| 17:01 | <mbreslin> | WTF AWESOME |
| 17:01 | <mbreslin> | IT WAS EINK |
| 17:01 | <pharaun> | exactly |
| 17:02 | <pharaun> | and you got to admit that they did a really nice job of boxing it |
| 17:02 | <pharaun> | almost like an "apple" package experience |
| 17:02 | <mbreslin> | i guess |
| 17:02 | <mbreslin> | everything comes like that now |
| 17:02 | <mbreslin> | all iphoned up |
| 17:02 | <pharaun> | you know how apple like to obess about package/etc i'm like >_> |
| 17:02 | <tjfontaine> | IPHONE IS NOT A VERB |
| 17:02 | <tjfontaine> | tellem caker |
| 17:02 | <Karrde> | is setup? |
| 17:02 | <pharaun> | was expecting it to come in a brown box with that fuck off plastic seal |
| 17:02 | * | jed iphoneings |
| 17:03 | * | Karrde snows |
| 17:03 | <pharaun> | i have a 3 inch knife that i reserve for that hated plastic shrink seal |
| 17:03 | <mbreslin> | it's horrible |
| 17:03 | <pharaun> | indeed, my best experience recently was the lacie rikiki drive |
| 17:03 | <mbreslin> | remote controls and batteries and other crap |
| 17:03 | <pharaun> | it was sealed with massive plastic package, took me several minutes and multiple vicious stabs to make it break open |
| 17:04 | <mbreslin> | the ultimate irony is that rubik's cubes come in that |
| 17:04 | <pharaun> | hahahah ow |
| 17:04 | <mbreslin> | not only can you not solve this you loser you can't even open the package |
| 17:04 | <mbreslin> | just return it you suck |
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| 17:05 | <ejp> | pharaun: even reflashed to dd-wrt doing ipv6 on a wrt54g is...tricksey. |
| 17:05 | <ejp> | and tomato doesn't support it all. |
| 17:06 | <pharaun> | ejp: oh? all i need is to be able to hit it via say ssh/webconfig beside i am just using it as an accesspoint for the laptop/wifi only devices |
| 17:06 | <mbreslin> | don't you need to be able to point your tunnel at a real nameserver |
| 17:06 | <mbreslin> | ie not on your router |
| 17:06 | <pharaun> | i have dns cache server |
| 17:06 | <tjfontaine> | ejp: http://tomatousb.org/ <-- does |
| 17:07 | <tjfontaine> | [also does ovpn][also does ovpn] |
| 17:07 | <pharaun> | so i figured as long as i can ssh to it via say ipv6 and pass ipv6 traffic through it would be ok |
| 17:07 | <ejp> | tjfontaine: ooooh |
| 17:07 | <ejp> | pharaun: the kernel on a lot of builds/images doesn't support v6. |
| 17:07 | <mbreslin> | i gave my rev1 wrt54g away when i switched to 11n |
| 17:08 | <ejp> | neither does the userspace |
| 17:08 | <pharaun> | ejp: ew |
| 17:08 | <pharaun> | guess i could build a ipv6 kernel but would be a pain |
| 17:08 | <ejp> | mbreslin: yeah, I'm close to getting a 3000 or 610N and telling the ancient wrt53g to foad. |
| 17:08 | <ejp> | *54 |
| 17:08 | <mbreslin> | i have one of the draft ones |
| 17:08 | <mbreslin> | whatever it is |
| 17:08 | <mbreslin> | 300n |
| 17:08 | <mbreslin> | or 600n some crap |
| 17:08 | <pharaun> | i also have the asus 300 something, its awesome |
| 17:09 | <pharaun> | used it as an dualwan router for a while, the wifi wasn't great from what i heard |
| 17:09 | <mbreslin> | it blows up when i torrent+stream to ps3 so it can die |
| 17:09 | <pharaun> | openwrt :-p |
| 17:09 | <mbreslin> | i may switch to the newer one |
| 17:09 | <mbreslin> | c3000 or whatever |
| 17:09 | <mbreslin> | e3000 |
| 17:10 | <mbreslin> | WRT320N |
| 17:10 | <mbreslin> | there we go that's what i have |
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| 17:14 | <mbreslin> | tomato usb looks promising guess i'll try that today |
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| 17:23 | <Yaakov> | SKYKING SKYKING DO NOT ANSWER |
| 17:23 | <Yaakov> | AUTHENTICATION FOXTROT ROMEO PAPA ROMEO ALPHA BRAVO TANGO XRAY |
| 17:23 | <Yaakov> | I SAY AGAIN FOXTROT ROMEO PAPA ROMEO ALPHA BRAVO TANGO XRAY |
| 17:24 | <Yaakov> | LOVESHACK OUT |
| 17:24 | * | pharaun blinks |
| 17:25 | <Peng> | It must mean something has happened to Julian Assange! |
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| 17:33 | <ejp> | yeah, tomatousb looks pretty good. |
| 17:34 | <tjfontaine> | yw |
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| 17:38 | <disinpho> | any css sharks around? |
| 17:39 | <disinpho> | im having this awful problem when users dont have the first font in my font-family - with letterspacing and such - is there anything i can do to format differently when users fallback on secondary fonts |
| 17:39 | <disinpho> | ive already given up on google font api |
| 17:39 | <disinpho> | looks like crap on windows |
| 17:39 | <@jed> | font-family: "First Choice", "Second Choice"? |
| 17:40 | <@jed> | you can fall back on google font API, too |
| 17:40 | <@jed> | font-family: "First Choice", "Something from Google Font API"; |
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| 17:40 | <@caker> | I think he wants to do other css formatting based on if the first font isn't there |
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| 17:40 | <@jed> | oh, durp |
| 17:40 | <disinpho> | yea, but their fonts dont seem to fit in x-height with any of the standard font families |
| 17:40 | <@jed> | misread |
| 17:41 | <disinpho> | so i kinda dont wanna use google api at all |
| 17:41 | <@jed> | somehow walked away with "how do I fallback on secondary fonts" |
| 17:41 | <disinpho> | i did considder that too |
| 17:41 | <pharaun> | don't think you really can do that, unless you do some JS, but even with js, you really can't identify what font is being used |
| 17:41 | <@jed> | yeah, rough. |
| 17:41 | <pharaun> | I've had similar problems sometime so yeah it can be rough |
| 17:41 | <disinpho> | i think i heard of some obscure dynamic letterspacing but im not sure if thats css3 or just my memory |
| 17:42 | <ejp> | all you can really do is spec a font list that are all more-or-less compatible. |
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| 17:42 | <ejp> | or use cufon for everything. :P |
| 17:42 | <pharaun> | yes you can do some spacing/letterspace/etc but can't do it on a per font basis |
| 17:42 | <disinpho> | and that rules out being original in any way |
| 17:42 | <disinpho> | and doing proper typography |
| 17:42 | <ejp> | doing spacing in em helps too. |
| 17:42 | <pharaun> | you can do some typography/etc but after a certain point |
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| 17:42 | <pharaun> | its just up to the user's browser |
| 17:42 | <@jed> | yeah, the ex/em units are really useful |
| 17:43 | <pharaun> | yeah i use em all the time myself |
| 17:43 | <disinpho> | ejp: yes but i have spacing in em, and when the user falls back to the second font in the font family its not nearly enough spacing |
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| 17:45 | <ejp> | disinpho: ah, narrower glyphs? |
| 17:45 | <ejp> | sounds like you may just need to pick fonts that are more similar. |
| 17:46 | <ejp> | otherwise it's always going to look like crap at some point. |
| 17:46 | <pharaun> | pretty much |
| 17:46 | <@jed> | might be worth it to consider not setting spacing, too |
| 17:46 | <pharaun> | I've ran into that problem, I've found some fonts that i liked the look of but couldn't find the copy of the ttf/etc for linux :-\ |
| 17:46 | <pharaun> | and the linux equivalent were yeah |
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| 17:48 | <sirpengi> | there's no such thing as proper typography on the web anyhow |
| 17:49 | <sirpengi> | so you should forget your dreams of achieving it |
| 17:49 | <pharaun> | sirpengi: can be bit tricky to forget ;) i do want a site to look decent |
| 17:49 | <ejp> | indeed. |
| 17:49 | <ejp> | I end up doing a mix of cufon for headers/logo text/etc, and just picking a decent looking font family spec for everything else. |
| 17:49 | <sirpengi> | then you should work around what you have available. that generally means using web-safe fonts |
| 17:50 | <sirpengi> | otherwise, you use web-fonts and be all new-age |
| 17:50 | <pharaun> | heh indeed |
| 17:50 | <pharaun> | oh cufon? hahaha flash? |
| 17:50 | <ejp> | no flash, just js. |
| 17:50 | <pharaun> | oh? |
| 17:50 | <ejp> | http://cufon.shoqolate.com/generate/ |
| 17:50 | <ejp> | works really well IME |
| 17:51 | <pharaun> | ah |
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| 17:51 | <sirpengi> | that sorta breaks selecting/copying text from the page though |
| 17:51 | <ejp> | but like it says in the docs, you lose some things like selections. |
| 17:51 | <pharaun> | yeah that's what i was wondering |
| 17:52 | <ejp> | again, I only use it for headers/company name, stuff like that. |
| 17:52 | <pharaun> | would probably work good for like menu/header/etc |
| 17:52 | <ejp> | all content is normal text |
| 17:52 | <pharaun> | seem interesting enough might try it for a logo |
| 17:52 | <sirpengi> | I still just use graphic elements for those |
| 17:52 | <sirpengi> | I tend not to stick fancy type in headers and menus though |
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| 17:53 | <pharaun> | my header is just my site name :-p |
| 17:53 | <pharaun> | so was kind of wanting to spiffy it up a little |
| 17:54 | <sirpengi> | just use an image |
| 17:54 | <pharaun> | site is currently almost 100% image free ;) |
| 17:55 | <sirpengi> | that doesn't win you any achievments |
| 17:55 | <pharaun> | oh i know, its just a personal site |
| 17:55 | <bob2> | cufon doesn't really break copy, it just makes it a bit shit |
| 17:55 | <pharaun> | so just playing around with various stuff to learn webdev/etc never done much webdev |
| 17:55 | <linbot> | New news from forums: No more PTYs in General Discussion <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=6392>; |
| 17:57 | <sirpengi> | if your image is under 32k you can base64 encode it and stick it directly in the page |
| 17:57 | <pharaun> | you can? 0_o |
| 17:57 | <sirpengi> | well, you can base64 encode any image |
| 17:57 | <sirpengi> | but IE breaks if the image is larger than 32k |
| 17:57 | <pharaun> | ah |
| 17:57 | <sirpengi> | all other browsers that I know of support a pretty much unlimited size |
| 17:57 | <pharaun> | interesting, didn't know that |
| 17:57 | <BlandSauce> | I only once used a base64 image, for a greasemonkey script |
| 17:58 | <sirpengi> | it triples the footprint of the image though |
| 17:58 | <sirpengi> | but you have one less request |
| 17:58 | <pharaun> | XD hahaha ouch |
| 17:58 | <pharaun> | yeah i haven't done any css/js minimify stuff yet, outta to put it in my build script for deployment |
| 17:58 | <sirpengi> | I tried that for my personal landing page |
| 17:59 | <sirpengi> | I think I still have some elements in base64. other stuff was too big and broke in ie |
| 17:59 | <pharaun> | but its not like i have much or any js at all anyway |
| 17:59 | <@caker> | li_new-134975-0 li_new-134975-1 li_new-134977-0 li_new-134984-0 li_new-135002-0 |
| 17:59 | <pharaun> | i would think that if it was a bunch of elements it would in the end be better to just use sprite and load one image request? |
| 17:59 | <@caker> | I done break signupping :( |
| 17:59 | <stinebd> | blame mikegrb's perl |
| 18:00 | <@caker> | also, ww |
| 18:00 | <stinebd> | and canada |
| 18:00 | <sirpengi> | pharaun: yeah, if you've already got graphic elements that you can't base64 encode you might as well use a sprite |
| 18:00 | <ejp> | fucking canada *shakes fist* |
| 18:00 | <sirpengi> | pharaun: but then things like a repeating background texture can't be pulled off of a sprite sheet |
| 18:01 | <stinebd> | sprite is liquid, it can't be sheeted |
| 18:01 | <BlandSauce> | sprite is fairy, can't be sheeted |
| 18:01 | <Peng> | What does "ww" mean? |
| 18:02 | <Fieldy> | wang whacker? |
| 18:02 | <pharaun> | sirpengi: oh right, yeah repeating background, |
| 18:02 | <ejp> | pharaun: wong window I'd guess. |
| 18:03 | <ejp> | er, ^Peng |
| 18:03 | <sirpengi> | yeah. I'm all for typography. one of my passions is doing print layout. but there's just no such thing as typography on the web |
| 18:03 | <Peng> | ejp: Ohhhh. |
| 18:04 | <pharaun> | sirpengi: yeah, i'm... learning that the hard way, so i'm starting to just try to focus on making my content as reasonable readable as possible, and etc... |
| 18:04 | <pharaun> | *reasonably |
| 18:04 | <marius> | You are welcome. |
| 18:04 | <sirpengi> | no manual kerning, no baseline = suboptimal typography |
| 18:04 | <pharaun> | sirpengi: yeah, that was one of those thing that was pissing me off |
| 18:05 | <disinpho> | cufon looks promising enough, i dont like the others too much tho |
| 18:05 | <disinpho> | because most require external downloads or external plugins |
| 18:05 | <pharaun> | sirpengi: my main problem is i'm looking at the list of recommended web-safe fonts off w3 and it seems like a bunch that i like.... i don't have the damn font files -_- mainly the MAC/apples ones |
| 18:05 | <sirpengi> | I like webfonts. I just don't like the fonts that are available for use as web-fonts |
| 18:06 | <pharaun> | just want to take a look at them and see how they look on the site then tweak the 1st/2nd/3rd/xth font thing to get something that looks alright |
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| 18:08 | <pharaun> | AWESOME! finally found a nice page on orbital mechanics |
| 18:09 | <iggy> | that's not something you hear everyday |
| 18:10 | <pharaun> | indeed, been wanting to play around with orbital mechanics and etc |
| 18:11 | <mbreslin> | tomato-usb = flashed |
| 18:12 | <mbreslin> | we'll see tonight when i start streaming if it can take it |
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| 18:14 | <disinpho> | and its really only truetype fonts that have been made specifically for the screen that looks proper on most windows computers |
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| 18:16 | <pharaun> | YES! :3 build completed only took 52 freaking minutes |
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| 18:23 | <linbot> | New news from forums: stream mp3 but protect against download? in General Discussion <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=6393>; |
| 18:24 | <tjfontaine> | lulz |
| 18:24 | <pharaun> | when will people learn |
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| 18:28 | <@mikegrb> | lulz |
| 18:28 | <kyhwana> | lol, you cant |
| 18:28 | <mbreslin> | sure you can you just have to work at it |
| 18:28 | <pharaun> | you can hide it, make it a bitch, etc... |
| 18:28 | <pharaun> | could do encryption in the flash/etc but in the end |
| 18:28 | <mbreslin> | it'll probably happen right after world peace |
| 18:28 | <pharaun> | someone bored enough will get it out |
| 18:28 | <sirpengi> | it's simple. stream the file but replace all the bits with zeros |
| 18:28 | <sirpengi> | user can't listen to it either. MOAR secure |
| 18:28 | <pharaun> | nice one sirpengi |
| 18:28 | <mbreslin> | sirpengi: i love that song |
| 18:29 | <mbreslin> | the remix is all 1's |
| 18:29 | <iggy> | heh |
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| 18:32 | <BlandSauce> | Remove all users' computers. That's the first step |
| 18:32 | <@caker> | CLOUD |
| 18:33 | <bob2> | how's the linode forcast today? |
| 18:34 | <@caker> | CLOUDy |
| 18:34 | <tjfontaine> | *fucking cloudy |
| 18:34 | <Yaakov> | I DO MY COMPUTING IN THE CROWD |
| 18:35 | <sirpengi> | someone announced FreeBSD on amazon EC2 the other day |
| 18:35 | <sirpengi> | we needs that same juice at linode |
| 18:35 | <tjfontaine> | sirpengi: no you still can't have it on linode |
| 18:35 | <encode> | Yaakov: the IT Crowd? |
| 18:35 | <tjfontaine> | sirpengi: the kernel does boot in pvgrub fwiw |
| 18:37 | <sirpengi> | tjfontaine: the dev is making it play nice with Xen |
| 18:37 | <tjfontaine> | what is this "the dev" |
| 18:37 | <sirpengi> | http://www.daemonology.net/blog/2010-12-13-FreeBSD-on-EC2.html |
| 18:37 | <BarkerJr> | http://www.vancouversun.com/business/Hurricane+Electric+Continues+Expand+Global+Network+Reach+with+Point/3974861/story.html |
| 18:38 | <tjfontaine> | fbsd on xen isn't exactly new |
| 18:38 | <sirpengi> | well, someone in the comments asks for slicehost support and he expresses a willingness to work with hosts that want to get it running |
| 18:39 | <checkers> | he'll be pushing the code to public fbsd soon enough |
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| 18:39 | <checkers> | and it's only support for 9.0 note, so useless for another year or two |
| 18:39 | <tjfontaine> | the kernel already boots in pvgrub the "rest" of the work is doing the chroot |
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| 18:41 | <sirpengi> | well, I'm certainly not expecting things to be done in a week. It just seems like the day will eventually come |
| 18:43 | <checkers> | yes |
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| 18:46 | <sirpengi> | I also figure if a core dev is willing to work with you to get it running and your cost is cooperation that'd be a bonus |
| 18:46 | <mbreslin> | my host has no extra ips, would i need to request a migration or something |
| 18:46 | <mbreslin> | to be able to get one |
| 18:47 | <sirpengi> | though I guess I wouldn't be surprised if there were consultant fees expected |
| 18:47 | <encode> | mbreslin: just file a ticket saying that |
| 18:47 | <encode> | (ie, that you would like to request another IP and your host doesn't seem to have any available) |
| 18:49 | <BarkerJr> | hosts can run out? |
| 18:49 | <mbreslin> | it would seem so |
| 18:49 | <mbreslin> | encode: will do. |
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| 18:52 | <encode> | probably that subnet is full |
| 18:52 | <encode> | and they need to route another subnet to the host |
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| 18:56 | <pharaun> | weeping christ, i hate home grown shit solution |
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| 19:03 | <pharaun> | I need a button that says |
| 19:03 | <pharaun> | STFU FIX IT |
| 19:03 | <@jed> | (nsfw): http://undertow.jedsmith.org/tmp/fix-your-shit.png |
| 19:03 | <@jed> | how about that? |
| 19:03 | <@jed> | I'm saving that one for a rainy day |
| 19:04 | <pharaun> | jed: i like :) |
| 19:06 | <pharaun> | christ, j2ee is too fucking complicated |
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| 19:15 | <dug> | is there trouble with the UK linodes? |
| 19:17 | <disinpho> | mines working fine |
| 19:17 | <bob2> | !mtr london01.linode.com |
| 19:17 | <linbot> | mtr combines the functionality of traceroute and ping into one easy to use tool, and the output can be useful for determining where the source of a problem is. It can be downloaded from http://www.bitwizard.nl/mtr/ or http://winmtr.sourceforge.net/ for Windows. MTR summaries can be retrieved in-channel using the command !mtr-CITY where CITY is fremont, atlanta, newark, dallas or london. |
| 19:19 | <dug> | !mtr-london |
| 19:19 | <linbot> | dug: (mtrlondon <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "web title http://109.74.192.102/mtr.cgi?target_host=$1". |
| 19:19 | <pharaun> | !mtr-london google.com |
| 19:19 | <linbot> | pharaun: [mtr] google.com: 10 hops, te3-1-border76-01.lon2.telec: 60.0%/0.7ms, 209.85.255.76: 60.0%/5.8ms, ???: 100.0%/0.0ms, lhr14s02-in-f104.1e100.net: 40.0%/1.3ms (urmom) |
| 19:20 | <pharaun> | you need to do !mtr + dc + url :) |
| 19:20 | <dug> | thanks guys =] |
| 19:21 | <dug> | has come back up on its own, weird! |
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| 19:28 | <jordie> | I FUCKING LOVE LINODE |
| 19:28 | <jordie> | that is all. |
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| 19:36 | <Alan> | 00:28 < jordie> I FUCKING LOVE LINODE |
| 19:36 | <Alan> | 00:28 < jordie> that is all. |
| 19:36 | <tjfontaine> | it's true. |
| 19:36 | <Alan> | I couldn't agree more |
| 19:36 | <BarkerJr> | that that is all? |
| 19:36 | <sirpengi> | I certainly can |
| 19:36 | <Alan> | hah |
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| 19:37 | <Alan> | Also, Linode appears to be the only host in existance that monitors their abuse email address? |
| 19:37 | <@stan_theman> | with intensity |
| 19:37 | <stinebd> | well jed has to do *something* there |
| 19:38 | <sirpengi> | but then I'm just competitive |
| 19:38 | <Alan> | Can't remember the last time I submitted an abuse report and had an actual response (uncanned) outside of 45 minutes... |
| 19:38 | <@caker> | mmmmmmm, tickets! |
| 19:38 | <Alan> | sirpengi: I'm more competitive than you!# |
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| 19:39 | <@caker> | abuse reports and tickets are the only means of communication with the outside world that we allow for the support staff here at Linode |
| 19:39 | <@caker> | it puts the ticket in the basket |
| 19:39 | <Alan> | Seems like it keeps things nice and streamlined |
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| 19:39 | <@mikegrb> | mmm bacon |
| 19:39 | <bob2> | all irc personas are actually eggdrop bots hooked up to markov chains and bacon generators |
| 19:39 | <tjfontaine> | caker: doesn't work, pparadis likes the hose |
| 19:39 | <@mikegrb> | mmm bacon |
| 19:39 | <Alan> | mmm bacon |
| 19:40 | <@mikegrb> | mmm bacon |
| 19:40 | <Alan> | must make bacon vodka some day |
| 19:40 | <@Perihelion> | It rubs the lotion on its skin |
| 19:40 | <@caker> | or it DOESN'T get the hose |
| 19:40 | <bob2> | Alan: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iX8Hzxu7C1g |
| 19:40 | <sirpengi> | that's why every single day I open a ticket with the latest headlines |
| 19:40 | <Boohemian> | tjfontaine: i have to generate my own ssl certificate to connect to oftc securely? |
| 19:40 | <Alan> | also, the situation is so bad that Linode is the ONLY company i bother with abuse requestns |
| 19:40 | <tjfontaine> | Boohemian: no |
| 19:40 | <Alan> | not worth the time with anybody else |
| 19:40 | <bob2> | Alan: i send all my abuse complaints to linode |
| 19:40 | <@stan_theman> | "Hey guys, sirpengi said that vietnam is over?" |
| 19:40 | * | Perihelion slaps stan_theman around a bit with a large cactus |
| 19:40 | <@stan_theman> | ! |
| 19:40 | <hobot> | I send all my abuse requests to al gore |
| 19:41 | <@Perihelion> | I think I need to change that alias to say tiny |
| 19:41 | <tjfontaine> | Boohemian: ssl generates a session key regardless, you can generate your own key to be identified by it instead of a password |
| 19:41 | <Alan> | bob2: awesome |
| 19:41 | <bombshell> | ahh, now from trout to cactus |
| 19:41 | <bombshell> | hmm |
| 19:41 | <Boohemian> | tjfontaine: what port do i connec to for ssl? |
| 19:41 | <@Perihelion> | I've used "cactus" instead for years |
| 19:41 | <tjfontaine> | 6697 or 9999 |
| 19:41 | <bombshell> | heeheh |
| 19:42 | <MJCS> | Perihelion: cactus would probably hurt more on the long run |
| 19:42 | <BarkerJr> | I don't send abuse reports, cause I think internet freedome is for all |
| 19:43 | <bombshell> | we should be less painful =] |
| 19:44 | <bombshell> | My Windows PC is being pwn by applications =] Like firefox |
| 19:45 | <v0lksman> | hey all..wondering if any of you can explain this...Using wire shark I'm seeing packets from an outside source to my NAT'd IP on port 6881, then I see a destination unreachable ICMP packet as a response...then a new IP tries and a new ICMP returned to the new IP...this goes on and on...I don't run a torrent client on this machine and I've shut down the one I run in the network. So what is this? Why is it let past my firewall/NA |
| 19:45 | <v0lksman> | T'ing device? |
| 19:45 | <bombshell> | VM, chrome, and host other applications :s |
| 19:45 | <bob2> | v0lksman: common bittorrent port |
| 19:45 | <straterra> | v0lksman: Whats the IP associated with it? |
| 19:46 | * | bombshell is bored =] |
| 19:46 | <bob2> | v0lksman: people will send crap ti ot long after you stop running bt |
| 19:46 | <v0lksman> | straterra, the source? It's different all the time |
| 19:46 | <tjfontaine> | people just spam common stuff anyway to see where it goes |
| 19:46 | <straterra> | ah |
| 19:46 | <v0lksman> | bob2, the torrent client never lived on this machine |
| 19:46 | <straterra> | I guess its a "welcome to the internet" type of thing |
| 19:46 | <bob2> | v0lksman: your nat table things it did |
| 19:46 | <tjfontaine> | urips on the trackerz! HUNT DESTROY</mpaa||riaa> |
| 19:46 | <v0lksman> | hrm |
| 19:46 | <bob2> | assuming you're dumping traffic on the machine and not the router |
| 19:47 | <v0lksman> | nope...on the machine |
| 19:47 | <straterra> | Perihelion: does Linode do filtering on port 445? |
| 19:47 | <v0lksman> | and the dest IP is also correct |
| 19:47 | <tjfontaine> | straterra: linode doesn't do filtering |
| 19:47 | <straterra> | tjfontaine: suuure :P |
| 19:47 | <@Perihelion> | Nein |
| 19:47 | <straterra> | Not even TCP/445?! |
| 19:47 | <Alan> | bob2: damn you, now i'm in a "youtube suggestions" loop |
| 19:47 | <stinebd> | nothing |
| 19:47 | <tjfontaine> | straterra: linode doesn't do filtering |
| 19:47 | <straterra> | Well..does NAC do filtering of TCP/445? |
| 19:48 | <Alan> | bob2: where is the emergency exit of the internet? |
| 19:48 | <tjfontaine> | can't imagine why they would |
| 19:48 | <@Perihelion> | straterra: Not to my knowledge |
| 19:48 | <straterra> | tjfontaine: Most ISPs do :/ |
| 19:48 | <straterra> | For good reason |
| 19:48 | <tjfontaine> | Alan: command-q or alt-f4 |
| 19:48 | <stinebd> | teehee command |
| 19:48 | <bob2> | !button |
| 19:48 | <tjfontaine> | openapple |
| 19:48 | <bob2> | linbot sucks |
| 19:48 | <BarkerJr> | I've done nmap scans of the data centres and never found a blocked port |
| 19:48 | <linbot> | bob2: screw you |
| 19:48 | <Yaakov> | tjfontaine: "splat". |
| 19:49 | <straterra> | BarkerJr: Not block..filtered |
| 19:49 | * | Perihelion wobbles Yaakov |
| 19:49 | <bob2> | linbot: eat me |
| 19:49 | <tjfontaine> | Yaakov: exactly |
| 19:49 | <tjfontaine> | straterra: DPI? |
| 19:49 | <straterra> | DPI? |
| 19:49 | <Yaakov> | Hello, Peri. |
| 19:49 | <stinebd> | dots per inch |
| 19:49 | <sirpengi> | Duck Pants Industry |
| 19:49 | <Alan> | surely in this context, deep packet inspection? |
| 19:49 | <v0lksman> | thanks bob2 I think I've got a lead.... |
| 19:49 | <tjfontaine> | indeed |
| 19:50 | <straterra> | aha |
| 19:50 | <straterra> | No, not deep packet inspection |
| 19:50 | <Yaakov> | Devilishly Polite Investigator |
| 19:50 | <straterra> | Most ISPs filter 445 , regardless of traffic |
| 19:50 | <straterra> | That's the Windows SMB port |
| 19:50 | <Alan> | DPI: routers doing more than routing, bastards |
| 19:50 | * | tjfontaine is familiar |
| 19:50 | <BarkerJr> | straterra: ports are either open, closed, or blocked :P |
| 19:50 | <tjfontaine> | straterra: not usually in bidness wholesale |
| 19:51 | <tjfontaine> | BarkerJr: he means "drop"d :P |
| 19:51 | <Yaakov> | http://www.linode.com/forums/archive/o_t/t_2129/what_is_microsoft_ds.html |
| 19:51 | <straterra> | tjfontaine: Right..just making sure of that |
| 19:51 | <BarkerJr> | bah! |
| 19:51 | <straterra> | BarkerJr: Theres a difference between dropping packets and rejecting packets |
| 19:51 | <Alan> | heh, reminds me of how fun it was to nmap an entire subnet of an ISP looknig for port 139 on dial-up |
| 19:51 | <BarkerJr> | what is the symptom of rejection? |
| 19:51 | <tjfontaine> | an ack of sorts |
| 19:52 | <tjfontaine> | icmp control packet |
| 19:52 | <tjfontaine> | REDUNDENT |
| 19:52 | <straterra> | When you reject, the sender sees that it was rejected |
| 19:52 | <BarkerJr> | so not like a closed port |
| 19:52 | <straterra> | With a drop, the packet just..goes away |
| 19:52 | <tjfontaine> | nope |
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| 19:52 | <BarkerJr> | cause closed ports are "refused" not "rejected" |
| 19:52 | <Nivex> | Alan: and you could always find at least one, and leave a directory full of horse porn... err I mean a polite note suggesting they add some security |
| 19:52 | <bob2> | REJECTED |
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| 19:52 | <straterra> | Closed ports are typically rejected by the kernel (by default) |
| 19:52 | <stinebd> | reeeeeeejected. no play for mr. gray |
| 19:52 | <straterra> | you can set iptables/pf/whatever to drop instead |
| 19:53 | <tjfontaine> | BarkerJr: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~peterb/network/drop-vs-reject |
| 19:53 | <Nivex> | the sad thing is, I go to coffee shops today and I can find at least one laptop announcing file sharing services over mDNS that are wide open |
| 19:53 | <BarkerJr> | I think the reason linode doesn't block 445 is cause they don't host windows servers |
| 19:53 | <v0lksman> | tonido...damn youze |
| 19:53 | <bob2> | people still ask about running samba on their linodes |
| 19:54 | <@mikegrb> | mmm cake |
| 19:54 | <tjfontaine> | let them eat cake |
| 19:54 | <stinebd> | to share their printers? |
| 19:54 | <thegodlikehobo> | guyz i cant find teh c: driev on my lienod halp |
| 19:54 | <BarkerJr> | tjfontaine: the question is the difference between drop and filter, not drop and reject :) |
| 19:54 | <tjfontaine> | drop is filter in this context |
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| 19:55 | <BarkerJr> | good :) |
| 19:55 | <Nivex> | tjfontaine: thanks for that drop vs reject article. I'd heard bits and pieces of that argument, but that is presented quite succinctly. |
| 19:55 | <BarkerJr> | now I can go back to dinner, hehe |
| 19:56 | <Alan> | what's wrong with running secured samba on a linode? :P# |
| 19:56 | <tjfontaine> | Nivex: ya, also, there's arguments to be made taht drop is more "intensive" than reject and can hurt you in a ddos |
| 19:56 | * | Nivex sends it to his counterpart at $WORK |
| 19:57 | <Nivex> | tjfontaine: that one I don't follow. If the packet is getting dropped on the ground, that would seem to be less intensive than actually having to form an ICMP response |
| 19:58 | <Yaakov> | I drop packets from certain hosts and networks but I reject packets on certain ports. |
| 19:58 | <tjfontaine> | just saying it's an argument, lemme see if I can resurrect the page |
| 19:58 | <BarkerJr> | I propose that people using firewalls makes dos attacks against people without firewalls more damaging |
| 19:58 | <BarkerJr> | so in short, using a firewall makes dos attacks do more damage |
| 19:58 | <Yaakov> | So it looks like there is NO sshd running, for example, not that you can't reach it. |
| 19:59 | <tjfontaine> | Nivex: quick googling is not rendering the results I want |
| 19:59 | <Nivex> | tjfontaine: no worries. If you happen across it again feel free to send it by. |
| 19:59 | <tjfontaine> | k |
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| 20:06 | <bombshell> | back |
| 20:07 | <bombshell> | can someone please unbore me =] |
| 20:07 | <Peng> | bombshell: http://www.youtube.com/ |
| 20:07 | <Yaakov> | SKYKING SKYKING DO NOT ANSWER |
| 20:07 | <Peng> | bombshell: There was also an exciting discussion about firewall rules! |
| 20:07 | <Yaakov> | AUTHENTICATION FOXTROT ROMEO PAPA ROMEO ALPHA BRAVO TANGO XRAY |
| 20:07 | <Yaakov> | I SAY AGAIN FOXTROT ROMEO PAPA ROMEO ALPHA BRAVO TANGO XRAY |
| 20:07 | <bombshell> | Peng: aHH Rreally, that sounds boring |
| 20:08 | <Yaakov> | LOVESHACK OUT |
| 20:08 | <mbreslin> | before that it was ipv6 allocation |
| 20:08 | <mbreslin> | fun stuff |
| 20:08 | <Peng> | Ooh, I missed that one! |
| 20:08 | * | Peng scrolls up |
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| 20:08 | <bombshell> | heeh |
| 20:08 | <Nivex> | hmm, someone's watching wargames |
| 20:09 | <mbreslin> | the only way to win.. |
| 20:09 | <Deezire> | Anyone have some nagios-fu about how i can setup a repeating scheduled downtime for a service? |
| 20:09 | <Nivex> | "Strange game. The only winning move is not to play." |
| 20:09 | <Deezire> | Like, say, backups run every night, load skyrockets and sets of alarms. I wake up in panic just to realize it's just doing backups.. |
| 20:09 | <bombshell> | Nivex: Is that sooooo... |
| 20:10 | <Nivex> | http://instagr.am/p/kNTy/ |
| 20:10 | <BarkerJr> | http://bsd.slashdot.org/story/10/12/15/004235/FBI-Alleged-To-Have-Backdoored-OpenBSDs-IPSEC-Stack |
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| 20:11 | <MJCS> | and this supprises you? |
| 20:11 | <stinebd> | surprises me |
| 20:11 | <stinebd> | i figured it would be the NSA |
| 20:11 | <BarkerJr> | the thing that scares me most is bsd's license |
| 20:11 | <@jed> | how was it missed for ten years, is the question |
| 20:11 | <BarkerJr> | this code could be in anything |
| 20:12 | <Peng> | I didn't see a discussion about IPv6 allocation. |
| 20:12 | <dominikh> | NDAs can expire? now *that's* stupid :P |
| 20:12 | <@jed> | so it's backdoored, allegedly, but nobody's found it yet? |
| 20:12 | <BarkerJr> | we know that windows uses bsd's netcode... maybe they use bsd's ipsec, too |
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| 20:12 | <tjfontaine> | NSA has also broken PGP right? |
| 20:12 | <@jed> | I call bullshit |
| 20:12 | <Deezire> | uhm, i call bullcrap. |
| 20:13 | <@jed> | openbsd doesn't survive for 10 years without nobody noticing a backdoor |
| 20:13 | <Deezire> | No source has even managed to confirm it. |
| 20:13 | <Deezire> | And one should be able to easily confirm it now that we "know" it's there. |
| 20:13 | <mbreslin> | jed: interesting sentence :p |
| 20:13 | <Peng> | jed: They killed everybody who noticed! |
| 20:13 | <stinebd> | also bigfoot |
| 20:13 | <Deezire> | And a backdoor like that would most likely have been used by now, and been exposed by such. |
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| 20:14 | <@jed> | mbreslin: yeah, I missed the clutch shifting tenses there |
| 20:14 | <mbreslin> | it was fun |
| 20:14 | <mbreslin> | grind it until you find it |
| 20:14 | <mbreslin> | now we're in automotive humour |
| 20:14 | <mbreslin> | this channel has it all |
| 20:15 | <eferefwf> | hello, could any one here turn on my server? linode67364 It's power off |
| 20:15 | <Yaakov> | Should have been a hint, I think --> /* Backdoor for FBI */ |
| 20:15 | <@caker> | eferefwf: log in and boot it? |
| 20:16 | <Yaakov> | Hello, caker. |
| 20:16 | <@caker> | hi, Yaakov |
| 20:16 | <@caker> | Yaakov: question for you -- where is next year's YAPC? |
| 20:16 | <Yaakov> | Good to see you, as always. |
| 20:16 | <Yaakov> | Asheville, NC. |
| 20:16 | <@caker> | nice. |
| 20:16 | * | caker wants to fly there |
| 20:16 | <Yaakov> | So I am told. |
| 20:16 | <Yaakov> | Pick me up on the way. |
| 20:16 | <Nivex> | !wx kavl |
| 20:16 | <linbot> | Nivex: [metar] OBS at KAVL: 15.8F/-09C, visibility 10 miles, wind 14.96 mph (altimeter: 30.01) [KAVL 150054Z 35013KT 10SM CLR M09/M16 A3001 RMK AO2 SLP192 T10941156] |
| 20:17 | <Yaakov> | caker: Come get me BUT, NO PAT DOWN, sorry. I have my limits. |
| 20:17 | <mbreslin> | at least it's a dry cold |
| 20:17 | <@jed> | Yaakov: that's the marvel of GA - no TSA |
| 20:17 | <@caker> | aww shucks cakerair has very strict security policies |
| 20:17 | <Nivex> | rent a Cherokee Six, take more friends |
| 20:18 | <Yaakov> | caker: Well, OK, for you. But no more than three times. I have my limits. |
| 20:18 | <tjfontaine> | cherokee nation |
| 20:19 | <Yaakov> | Will you be flying the Linoda Gay? |
| 20:20 | <@jed> | wow |
| 20:20 | <@jed> | Yaakov: your ability to name things is freaky - I like that enough to make it stick |
| 20:20 | <@jed> | when caker buys a plane I'm sharpieing that on |
| 20:21 | * | caker drops bombs |
| 20:21 | <@caker> | too soon? |
| 20:21 | <Yaakov> | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/93/Tibbets-wave.jpg |
| 20:21 | <Yaakov> | There's a guide. |
| 20:22 | <Yaakov> | caker: YOU *ARE* THE BOMB |
| 20:22 | <@caker> | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYVQooRSlzg YEEEESSSSS! |
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| 20:24 | <mbreslin> | "The idea that you can just look at code and find problems is false." |
| 20:24 | <mbreslin> | only not. |
| 20:24 | <mbreslin> | slashdot is funny |
| 20:24 | <@jed> | oooo - even better. accuses scott lowe of being on the FBI payroll, too |
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| 20:25 | <Yaakov> | caker: Do you like swashbucklers? |
| 20:26 | <mbreslin> | true or not hopefully this will inspire eyeballs to look more carefully for pointer gymnastics and such in the future |
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| 20:26 | <tjfontaine> | death to pointers! |
| 20:26 | <Nivex> | void *urmom; |
| 20:26 | <Void|work> | no your mum |
| 20:27 | <BarkerJr> | java ftw |
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| 20:28 | <mbreslin> | w in that acronym for me meaning work |
| 20:28 | <mbreslin> | ;/ |
| 20:28 | <Yaakov> | No, "weak". |
| 20:28 | <mbreslin> | i shouldn't diss my job when so many are out of work but blah |
| 20:28 | <mbreslin> | java shops are :< |
| 20:28 | <BarkerJr> | :( |
| 20:28 | <Yaakov> | Also, that's not really an acronym. |
| 20:29 | <pharaun> | i am :< i am in java shop :< |
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| 20:29 | <Yaakov> | It's an "initialism". |
| 20:29 | <Void|work> | ew java shops |
| 20:29 | <Nivex> | THIS IS LINODECOM |
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| 20:29 | <mbreslin> | of course it is, it's pronounced whatif |
| 20:29 | <mbreslin> | like what if? |
| 20:30 | <mbreslin> | no? |
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| 20:30 | <mbreslin> | haha |
| 20:30 | <Yaakov> | No, it's double-u tee eff. |
| 20:30 | <mbreslin> | pretty sad that it's the closest i could come to making it sound like a real word |
| 20:30 | <Yaakov> | SAD |
| 20:30 | <Yaakov> | Seasonal Affective Disorder |
| 20:30 | <mbreslin> | thanks for the acronym primer |
| 20:31 | <Yaakov> | That's a TLA, which itself is a TLI. |
| 20:31 | <mbreslin> | (AP) |
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| 20:31 | <Yaakov> | Acronym is on of the most abused trivial words in all of the technology world. |
| 20:31 | <Peng> | Wait, "initialism"? Help, Yaakov has acute Wikipedia poisoning! |
| 20:32 | <Yaakov> | Peng: I don't refer to Wikipedia for words. I have a stupidly large vocabulary. |
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| 20:32 | <straterra> | Can't you add 'ism' to any work? |
| 20:33 | <Yaakov> | You can ask people who have met me in person, I really talk this way, even absent a web browser. |
| 20:33 | <mbreslin> | meanings change over time, unless you're a strict oxford follower |
| 20:33 | <pharaun> | hehe |
| 20:33 | <Yaakov> | straterra: You CAN, but then most things you get will be neologisms. |
| 20:34 | <Yaakov> | mbreslin: Words get their meanings EXCLUSIVELY from usage. I try to defend words only to preserve the expressive power of the language, and, I will admit, occasionally n aesthetic grounds. |
| 20:34 | <Yaakov> | on, too. |
| 20:34 | <sirpengi> | mbreslin: I hope you're not referring to the OED, because that purposefully tracks actual usage |
| 20:34 | <mbreslin> | isn't there an oxford dictionary that purports to be the definitive english language |
| 20:34 | <mbreslin> | and not just monitor word useage |
| 20:34 | <Yaakov> | It is only the use of a word that has the power to give it meaning. |
| 20:35 | <Yaakov> | mbreslin: No, the OED is a chronicle of the usage by educated users of the language. |
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| 20:35 | <mbreslin> | fair enough |
| 20:35 | <Yaakov> | It is *descriptive*. Prescriptive dictionaries left this world long ago. |
| 20:35 | <pharaun> | and its often better to try to find the most accurate word to describe/say what you intend to |
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| 20:36 | <Yaakov> | At least in the English case. |
| 20:36 | <mbreslin> | i thought this was just some hosting providor irc channel |
| 20:36 | <mbreslin> | now i'm learning stuff |
| 20:36 | <mbreslin> | i didn't sign up for all this |
| 20:36 | <pharaun> | learning stuff is good |
| 20:36 | <Yaakov> | Now, the Dictionnaire de l'Académie francaise is a different case. |
| 20:36 | <Peng> | Yeah, I just came here to scream when there's downtime and whine about IPv6! |
| 20:37 | <pharaun> | if you don't learn new stuff, you might as well be dead imho |
| 20:37 | <Peng> | You can take in information without _learning_ anything. |
| 20:37 | <mbreslin> | pharaun: it was a joke, clearly i'm not running for the hills, it's enjoyable |
| 20:37 | <Yaakov> | The French have an OFFICIAL language. |
| 20:37 | <pharaun> | mbreslin: i know, i'm just countering ;) |
| 20:38 | <pharaun> | Peng: i suppose |
| 20:38 | * | Nivex hands Peng some cheese to go with his whine |
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| 20:38 | * | stinebd calls the waaaahmbulance |
| 20:38 | * | pharaun drills a hole in Peng skull and starts to pour the entire wikipedia dataset in |
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| 20:38 | <mbreslin> | so does it follow then that english would not, being as it's bastardized portions of so many languages |
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| 20:39 | <Yaakov> | mbreslin: This essay treats the core of this topic, if somewhat elliptically: http://miscellany.kovaya.com/2009/03/what-does-it-all-mean.html?ol |
| 20:39 | <sirpengi> | pretty much any language is a bastardized version of other older languages |
| 20:40 | <pharaun> | so then how do you decide what the parent language is of language X? aka the language that it borrows/evoluated from? |
| 20:40 | <Yaakov> | In my opinion the only legitimate complaint about usage is when it reduces the expressive power of the language. For example, words with distinct meanings are often merged in usage so that the distinction can no longer be expressed. |
| 20:40 | <pharaun> | then you end up with a mismash of.... MUSH |
| 20:41 | <sirpengi> | pharaun: you can claim a strong connection, but it's all a gray area since there are always constantly movement back and forth |
| 20:41 | <sirpengi> | *constant |
| 20:41 | <mbreslin> | everyone knows the superclass of language is Parseltongue |
| 20:41 | <Yaakov> | For example, "acronymn" and "initialism". If you take a hardline Sapir-Whorf approach, this means that it actually reduces the distinction in the human mind. |
| 20:41 | <pharaun> | sirpengi: that's what i figured |
| 20:43 | <Yaakov> | So, my argument for when language changes are "good" is when they increase the resolving power, so to speak, and so make finer thinking possible. |
| 20:43 | <pharaun> | so if there is a dozen different word for snow, that's a good change, versus one word for snow? well i know that's kind of simpifying it i guess |
| 20:44 | <pharaun> | *simplifying *sigh* |
| 20:44 | <sirpengi> | I don't know, it's a good thing to be able to generalize |
| 20:44 | <Yaakov> | pharaun: If the different words make useful distinctions, they are worth preserving. If they are just synonyms, eh. |
| 20:44 | <Peng> | Increasing the resolving power is what adjectives are for, no? |
| 20:45 | <Yaakov> | sirpengi: Having distinctions doesn't prevent having words that express general cases, at all. |
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| 20:46 | <pharaun> | Yaakov: such as having one word for like "mushy snow" vs "hard snow" etc ? |
| 20:46 | <sirpengi> | Yaakov: I'm not against having more specificity. I just don't want it to be at the cost of generalizability |
| 20:46 | <pharaun> | then you can use that word to explain exactly what kind of snow it is |
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| 20:47 | <Yaakov> | Peng: Adjectives are one mechanism for expressing distinctions but words have both denotations and connotations. |
| 20:47 | <pharaun> | sirpengi: well i would think having some words that are good for generalizability plus some more specalized word would be good |
| 20:47 | <Peng> | MOAR WORDS |
| 20:47 | <pharaun> | then you can if you want to, define exactly what you are talking/referring to |
| 20:47 | <sirpengi> | pharaun: you're in luck because that's just how language is currently |
| 20:47 | <Yaakov> | Peng: A skilled speaker can choose words for connotations which a string of adjectives cannot duplicate. |
| 20:47 | <pharaun> | the trick is to have a good balance :) |
| 20:47 | <Peng> | Plus a string of adjectives is clumsy. |
| 20:47 | <Nivex> | *sigh* my ping at home is crap tonight |
| 20:48 | <Yaakov> | There is no tradeoff between general and specific terms. They are orthogonal. |
| 20:48 | <Peng> | Nivex: Accidentally left that horse porn torrent running? |
| 20:48 | <pharaun> | sirpengi: heh yeah, i sometime have to spend a few moment to find the correct word, but yeah its |
| 20:48 | <Nivex> | Peng: there |
| 20:48 | <Nivex> | gah |
| 20:49 | <Nivex> | Peng: there's a joke about "spreading your seed" in there somewhere |
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| 20:49 | <Yaakov> | The word "dog" for example is not balanced against puppy, hound, mongrel, cur, etc. It stands on its own. |
| 20:49 | <pharaun> | Yaakov: yes but if most people only know a certain... amount of words, wouldn't it be better to have a certain balance between specalized versus general |
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| 20:50 | <Yaakov> | pharaun: Most people will know what they hear and read. They are more likely to know the general terms for things than shaded alternatives. |
| 20:51 | <fprint> | hi |
| 20:51 | <pharaun> | fprint: are you a fingerprint |
| 20:52 | <Yaakov> | The problem frequently encountered is that people associate a "good vocabulary" with using Latinisms and Francophone words in preference to good old Anglo-Saxon words. |
| 20:52 | <mbreslin> | he/she is printf's out of work cousin |
| 20:52 | <fprint> | pharaun:much more |
| 20:53 | <straterra> | fprint: GET OUT OF MY CODE |
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| 20:56 | <printf> | ^ |
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| 20:56 | <printf> | hi |
| 20:57 | <GreatGooglyMoogly> | hi |
| 20:57 | <printf> | fprint:^ |
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| 20:58 | <Nivex> | printf("%x",&fprint); |
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| 20:59 | <printf> | Nivex:aha |
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| 21:00 | <Nivex> | 'h' is not a valid hex character! what kind of interpreter are you?! :) |
| 21:01 | <pharaun> | Nivex: 0xdeadbeef |
| 21:01 | <sirpengi> | printf with no arguments should output 'F' |
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| 21:02 | <opello> | printf with no arguments isn't syntactically correct? |
| 21:03 | <tjfontaine> | opello: urmom ... |
| 21:03 | <Yaakov> | Not "f"? |
| 21:03 | <Nivex> | kjotte@polaris:/tmp$ gcc -o foo foo.c |
| 21:03 | <Nivex> | foo.c: In function ‘main’: |
| 21:03 | <Nivex> | foo.c:4: error: too few arguments to function ‘printf’ |
| 21:03 | <Yaakov> | I think printF would be expected to output "F". |
| 21:03 | <sirpengi> | I'm fine with 'f' |
| 21:03 | <sirpengi> | either way, someone should make this change |
| 21:03 | <opello> | ... |
| 21:03 | <Nivex> | sirpengi: you have the source code for GCC. Start hacking. |
| 21:03 | <danieldg> | printf with no arguments is undefined. It can crash, or do whatever. |
| 21:04 | <Yaakov> | SIRPENGI WANTS TO DEFINE THE BEHAVIOR |
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| 21:04 | <danieldg> | technically, it will take the first argument on the stack, which will be whatever was on the stack from the function |
| 21:04 | <danieldg> | just like what printf("%s"); prints |
| 21:04 | <sirpengi> | Nivex: I can change a local version, I'm suggesting this be included in distributions |
| 21:04 | <Nivex> | danieldg: well, it won't compile unless you have one argument |
| 21:05 | <danieldg> | sirpengi: won't happen. Can't happen. |
| 21:05 | <danieldg> | Nivex: that's easy to work around |
| 21:05 | <danieldg> | define your own prototype |
| 21:05 | <Yaakov> | sirpengi: Start a campaign. |
| 21:05 | <opello> | danieldg: and it won't do that if you don't have a stack :p |
| 21:05 | <Yaakov> | Get it in ANSI C. |
| 21:05 | <danieldg> | opello: depending on what you mean by "you don't have a stack", you'll just segfault |
| 21:05 | <sirpengi> | Yaakov: I just might. However, I might have to start in php. easier to get horrible ideas implemented there |
| 21:05 | <opello> | (or if the first, say, 8 params are pass by register) |
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| 21:06 | <opello> | or whatever arm does |
| 21:06 | <Nivex> | http://www.muppetlabs.com/~breadbox/software/tiny/teensy.html |
| 21:06 | <pharaun> | most excellent idea on php ;) |
| 21:06 | <danieldg> | oh, if you're not x86 calling convention, then yes |
| 21:06 | <danieldg> | then it'll just be whatever-was-in-that-register |
| 21:06 | <Nivex> | just call the syscall for write() |
| 21:06 | <danieldg> | which is hardly any different |
| 21:06 | <Yaakov> | sirpengi: I think you should go for printa to printZ. |
| 21:06 | <Yaakov> | sirpengi: Just to be complete. |
| 21:06 | <sirpengi> | Yaakov: once this behavior for printf is implemented then it'd be easier to argue for those |
| 21:07 | <Yaakov> | sirpengi: Also. printf_twice |
| 21:07 | <Peng> | printf_several_times |
| 21:07 | <Yaakov> | And, printf_Bold |
| 21:07 | <Peng> | Yaakov: In both HTML and IRC styles. |
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| 21:08 | <Yaakov> | printf_Bold('Irc') |
| 21:08 | * | danieldg wants printf_with_fire |
| 21:08 | <Yaakov> | printf_Bold('html') |
| 21:08 | <pharaun> | what about printf_urmom? |
| 21:08 | <Yaakov> | printOnly_f |
| 21:08 | <Nivex> | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halt_and_Catch_Fire |
| 21:09 | <sirpengi> | really_printf |
| 21:09 | <Yaakov> | printf_anyway |
| 21:09 | <pharaun> | print_wont_escape_correctly_and_end_up_with_a_printf_exploit |
| 21:09 | <pharaun> | we must now request all users to bind to parameterized printf invocation! |
| 21:10 | <Yaakov> | printf_SmashStack |
| 21:10 | <pharaun> | printf_murder_family_and_dog |
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| 21:18 | <@Perihelion> | I'm a lumberjack and I'm okay. |
| 21:18 | <Ovron> | A friend is currently receiving close to 140000 kbits/sec incoming rate according to iptraf, on his linode. All ports are dropping except for my and his IP on the ssh port. Would this point towards him being flooded/attempted dos in some way? I can't seem to make out even before blocking off all ports, if anything actually went to any service, as the logs show nothing special for httpd / auth.log. |
| 21:18 | <sirpengi> | I sleep all night and I work all day |
| 21:18 | <tjfontaine> | Perihelion: I sleep all night |
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| 21:18 | <@Perihelion> | Slow tjfontaine is slow. |
| 21:19 | <Peng> | Haha, Wikipedia says "in most cases" there is no actual fire. |
| 21:19 | <@Perihelion> | Ovron: Can you get in through lish? |
| 21:19 | <Ovron> | Sure, and even through normal SSH |
| 21:19 | <@Perihelion> | Ah, misread sorry |
| 21:20 | <@Perihelion> | Can you tcpdump it? |
| 21:20 | <Ovron> | Currently incoming rates: ~ 148000 kbits/sec, outgoing: 55.1 kbits/sec ;x |
| 21:20 | <Ovron> | Sure... never used it, moment ;p |
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| 21:21 | <@Perihelion> | Try something like tcpdump -nn -i eth0 port not 22 |
| 21:21 | <@Perihelion> | Unless you want ssh traffic :P |
| 21:21 | <bob2> | it's a gonna be a lot of output |
| 21:21 | <@Perihelion> | Yes |
| 21:21 | <Ovron> | Perihelion: stuff is flowing like mad, with that |
| 21:21 | <@Perihelion> | You can ctrl c it to stop it |
| 21:21 | <Ovron> | Yep, I did |
| 21:21 | <@Perihelion> | But it'll at least give you a decent idea of what's going on |
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| 21:22 | <@Perihelion> | (maybe) |
| 21:22 | <bob2> | hm, is there a simple way to show some stats from a tcpdump dump file? (e.g. aggrgegate over which hosts, which ports) |
| 21:22 | <pharaun> | bob2: i just usually dump the tcpdump into wireshark |
| 21:22 | <tjfontaine> | there are some scripts to do that, I can't remember what they are I always have to go fin dthem |
| 21:22 | <bob2> | yeah |
| 21:22 | <tjfontaine> | there's the split one that's useful |
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| 21:24 | <tjfontaine> | bob2: capinfo |
| 21:24 | <tjfontaine> | gotta be in there |
| 21:24 | <tjfontaine> | also tcpstat |
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| 21:26 | <Ovron> | looks like it is one IP mostly in this, by just looking at the output and not analyzing it using anything |
| 21:26 | <tjfontaine> | Ovron: what port is your ip communicating on? |
| 21:27 | <@pparadis> | http://workaround.org/using-tcpdump-and-wireshark |
| 21:27 | <@pparadis> | title == Using tcpdump and Wireshark to sniff and analyse your network traffic |
| 21:27 | <pharaun> | pparadis: that's what i do all of the time |
| 21:27 | <pharaun> | tcpdump->wireshark |
| 21:27 | <@pparadis> | yah |
| 21:27 | <tjfontaine> | pparadis: the question was doing it without wireshark :P |
| 21:27 | <@pparadis> | oh :) |
| 21:27 | * | pparadis ducks |
| 21:27 | <tjfontaine> | [12-14][12-14] 21:22:07 < bob2> hm, is there a simple way to show some stats from a tcpdump dump file? (e.g. aggrgegate over which hosts, which ports) |
| 21:27 | <Ovron> | tjfontaine: I am not really sure, not used tcpdump before. Would the port be the number after the dot? |
| 21:28 | <pharaun> | hehe i usually just nc pipe it from whatever host to my desktop then live-wireshark it ;) |
| 21:28 | <tjfontaine> | could be yes, if there's an extra dot after your ip |
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| 21:28 | <@pparadis> | tjfontaine: hm, i'm not sure wireshark qualifies as "not simple" given that context |
| 21:28 | <@pparadis> | it's pretty easy to use |
| 21:28 | <Ovron> | tjfontaine: it seems a bit random then; increasing over a range, switching higher up, and incrementing again |
| 21:28 | <tjfontaine> | sure, but I interpreted his comments as a way to post process a file from the server |
| 21:29 | <tjfontaine> | !p Ovron if you feel safe pasting the info |
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| 21:29 | <linbot> | http://p.linode.com <-- paste here, not in the channel |
| 21:29 | <bob2> | I just want a "'tcpdump -s0 -wfoo not \( port ssh and host myip \)' ; ctrl-c ; magic --hosts < foo" thing that shows me a histagram |
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| 21:29 | <Ovron> | tjfontaine: sure thing; moment |
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| 21:30 | <Yaakov> | bob2: iptraf |
| 21:30 | <tjfontaine> | I have never used iptraf like that |
| 21:30 | <bob2> | I thought iptraf could only show live stats on protocols |
| 21:31 | <Yaakov> | I can't recall now, it does do stats, and shows top talkers. |
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| 21:31 | <bob2> | do you mean iptop? |
| 21:31 | <bob2> | or iftop |
| 21:31 | <bob2> | or whatever it is |
| 21:31 | <Ovron> | tjfontaine: how much of the output would you like? :p |
| 21:32 | <tjfontaine> | as much as you want to paste |
| 21:32 | <@Perihelion> | BRING ME PETER PACKETS |
| 21:32 | <thegodlikehobo> | i'll bring you my peter's packets. |
| 21:32 | <GreatGooglyMoogly> | O_o |
| 21:33 | <Ovron> | tjfontaine: http://p.linode.com/4578 ; on a second look, there's 3 reoccuring IP addresses a bit higher up in the capture |
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| 21:34 | <Ovron> | 02:34:07 jono: a guy contacted me on twitter saying if i pay him he'll stop |
| 21:34 | <Ovron> | sigh, guess a kiddie is flooding him indeed |
| 21:34 | <tjfontaine> | udp flood |
| 21:34 | <bob2> | pretty lame kiddie |
| 21:35 | <@pparadis> | Perihelion+++++ |
| 21:35 | <bob2> | that's only 2 isdn lines of traffic! |
| 21:35 | <Ovron> | It has already transfered over 40GB since last night, I think he said; only noticed this few hours ago |
| 21:35 | <bob2> | Ovron: just wait until their mum makes them unplug the modem so they can make a phone call |
| 21:36 | <@Perihelion> | thegodlikehobo: hahahaha |
| 21:36 | <Ovron> | He has been in contact with linode support over ticket; any advice for what he should do next? He was offered to be nullrouted for 24 hours before; recon that is the best option at this point? |
| 21:36 | <bob2> | Ovron: upgrade to a linode 4096 |
| 21:36 | <@Perihelion> | Depends on how much traffic they're doing |
| 21:37 | <bob2> | Ovron: then you can just handle the traffic within your quota |
| 21:37 | <@Perihelion> | If it's not that much I'd say ride it out |
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| 21:37 | <@Perihelion> | We can always null route it if he's about to run out of bandwidth |
| 21:38 | <pharaun> | why not just null route it from the get start? |
| 21:38 | <pharaun> | spare the bw ? |
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| 21:38 | <bob2> | because that means no serve-y |
| 21:38 | <@Perihelion> | Yeah :< |
| 21:38 | <mbreslin> | bob! |
| 21:38 | <pharaun> | oh |
| 21:38 | <@Perihelion> | I'm not sure if they're overloading the node so it's hard to say |
| 21:39 | <@Perihelion> | If you can't access the sites on it as it is then null routing makes sense |
| 21:39 | <Ovron> | they really aren't; just taking up more bandwidth than he has allocated for a month |
| 21:39 | <mbreslin> | for x in `users | tr " " \n | grep -v me` |
| 21:39 | <mbreslin> | i used that today |
| 21:39 | <mbreslin> | 200/200 on final |
| 21:39 | <mbreslin> | thanks :> |
| 21:39 | <bob2> | haha |
| 21:39 | <tjfontaine> | $() |
| 21:39 | <bob2> | tjfontaine: haha |
| 21:39 | <@Perihelion> | Nein. |
| 21:39 | <Ovron> | Thanks for the help everyone; told him what was said here. |
| 21:39 | <bob2> | I was gonna say, half a mark off for not using $() |
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| 21:39 | <pharaun> | Perihelion: i always thought that null route == null routing the attackers, not the other traffic |
| 21:39 | <tjfontaine> | :) |
| 21:40 | <tjfontaine> | pharaun: generally you can only request your own ip |
| 21:40 | <mbreslin> | well i used my username actually |
| 21:40 | <mbreslin> | breslinm |
| 21:40 | <mbreslin> | on that box |
| 21:40 | <tjfontaine> | pharaun: you're not big enough to be allowed to nullroute them at upstream :P |
| 21:40 | <pharaun> | tjfontaine: pfft :-p |
| 21:40 | <@Perihelion> | Nein |
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| 21:40 | <@pparadis> | pharaun: you're thinking "filter the attacker's traffic"... null route in this context means take the IP being attacked off the net for awhile. |
| 21:40 | <bob2> | 1) request 254 additional ips |
| 21:40 | <bob2> | 2) ... |
| 21:41 | <@Perihelion> | PROFIT |
| 21:41 | <bob2> | 3) have linode drop your /24 |
| 21:41 | <straterra> | I want a /8 |
| 21:41 | <straterra> | NOW |
| 21:42 | <bob2> | better get on the phone to iana |
| 21:42 | <pharaun> | straterra: you can have one of those noisy /8 |
| 21:42 | <bob2> | 2 left |
| 21:42 | <straterra> | I want all 7 |
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| 21:42 | * | pparadis wants a pony |
| 21:42 | <Ovron> | I'd love an elephant the size of a dog |
| 21:42 | <Ovron> | imagine how cute that would be |
| 21:43 | <bob2> | afrinic and lacnic have to cage fight for one |
| 21:43 | <bob2> | you could ask to be included |
| 21:43 | <stinebd> | how to make ponny |
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| 21:43 | <straterra> | bob2: hell yeah |
| 21:43 | <straterra> | I'm not afraid of them |
| 21:43 | <@pparadis> | ur gon git pwnt |
| 21:43 | <Ovron> | northpolenic |
| 21:43 | <@pparadis> | straterra: you could always start lolnic |
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| 21:43 | <straterra> | lulnic |
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| 21:44 | <Ovron> | urmomnic takes all ranges |
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| 21:44 | <@mikegrb> | lulz |
| 21:44 | <Yaakov> | .lol? |
| 21:44 | <@mikegrb> | lulz |
| 21:44 | <Yaakov> | .lol, .wtf, .omg, .ikr, .idk |
| 21:45 | <Ovron> | .pwn, don't forget .pwn |
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| 21:46 | <Yaakov> | http://kovaya.com/p/roflmao.jpg?ol |
| 21:47 | <bob2> | ?ol? |
| 21:47 | <Yaakov> | !ol! |
| 21:48 | <encode> | in soviet russia, ol you |
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| 21:49 | <encode> | or even in communist china |
| 21:49 | <@Perihelion> | ☭ |
| 21:49 | <encode> | Perihelion: Yaakov's link |
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| 21:49 | <@Perihelion> | yes |
| 21:49 | <@Perihelion> | i was just adding commentary |
| 21:50 | <Yaakov> | She's a hammer and sickle kind of gal. |
| 21:50 | <encode> | an eroteme counts as commentary now? |
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| 21:51 | <@Perihelion> | It's a hammer and sickle |
| 21:51 | <Yaakov> | encode: It was a hammer and sickle, Soviet style. |
| 21:51 | <encode> | ohhhh |
| 21:51 | <encode> | I have no UTF8 enabled |
| 21:52 | <Ovron> | all I saw was a questionmark *kicks his screen* |
| 21:52 | <encode> | hence, I saw a question mark |
| 21:52 | <Yaakov> | FAIL |
| 21:52 | <encode> | yes indeed |
| 21:52 | <dominikh> | encode: do you live in the past?! |
| 21:52 | <Yaakov> | No, the future, when UTF-8 is outlawed because it is used by terrorists. |
| 21:52 | <dominikh> | unicode is the new Alt+0191 ! |
| 21:53 | <Yaakov> | ␆␆␆␆␆␆␆␆␆␆␆␆␆␆␆␆␆␆␆␆␆␆␆␆␆␆␆␆␆␆␆␆␆␆␆␆␆␆␆␆␆␆␆␆ |
| 21:53 | <straterra> | exit |
| 21:53 | <straterra> | oops |
| 21:53 | <@Perihelion> | ∂ |
| 21:54 | <Yaakov> | ␦ |
| 21:54 | <dominikh> | there's seriously a symbol for ACK? |
| 21:54 | <@Perihelion> | |
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| 21:54 | <Yaakov> | ☃ |
| 21:54 | <Ovron> | ? |
| 21:54 | <@Perihelion> | Ω |
| 21:54 | <dominikh> | the snowman, since Rails everyone knows it, anyway :P |
| 21:54 | <Ovron> | (yes, that's just a question mark :( ) |
| 21:54 | <Yaakov> | ✌ |
| 21:54 | <@Perihelion> | RAGE |
| 21:54 | <@Perihelion> | ∑ |
| 21:55 | <Yaakov> | ❀ |
| 21:55 | <sirpengi> | ♥ |
| 21:55 | <@Perihelion> | ®åg∑ |
| 21:55 | <dominikh> | � |
| 21:56 | <@Perihelion> | I wanna hold em like they do in TX please |
| 21:56 | <Yaakov> | 〠 |
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| 21:57 | <Yaakov> | ☢ ♨ ☠ |
| 21:57 | <@Perihelion> | Can't read my can't read my no he can't read my Yaakov face |
| 21:57 | <@stan_theman> | fold em |
| 21:57 | <@Perihelion> | SpaceHobo: Now would be an awesome time for a grue |
| 21:57 | <Yaakov> | ♫ ♫ ♪ |
| 21:57 | <Yaakov> | ☣ |
| 21:58 | <thegodlikehobo> | ★ |
| 21:58 | <sirpengi> | 心 |
| 21:59 | <Ovron> | this is discriminating towards non-UTF8-enabled clients |
| 21:59 | <Yaakov> | Ovron: GET UTF-8 |
| 21:59 | <Ovron> | that would require restarting screen :p |
| 21:59 | <Void|work> | haha Ovron |
| 22:00 | <Void|work> | I'm in the same boat |
| 22:00 | <thegodlikehobo> | whoa, let's not do anything drastic now |
| 22:00 | <Ovron> | iknorite? |
| 22:00 | <dominikh> | pff, Ovron is too much of a coward to restart screen, anyway |
| 22:00 | <dominikh> | he'd never do that |
| 22:00 | <Ovron> | >:( |
| 22:01 | <@Perihelion> | ⎝⏠⏝⏠⎠ |
| 22:01 | <Ovron> | . |
| 22:01 | <@pparadis> | oh nice |
| 22:01 | <dominikh> | hawt |
| 22:01 | <Ovron> | there's a message to you in morse, using spaces only, ending with a dot. |
| 22:01 | <Ovron> | :( |
| 22:03 | <@pparadis> | 私はガラスを食べられます。それは私を傷つけません。 |
| 22:03 | <BarkerJr> | :( |
| 22:04 | <thegodlikehobo> | I can eat glass. Thar does't hurt me. |
| 22:04 | <@Perihelion> | cuts like a knife |
| 22:04 | <@Perihelion> | naaaa naaaaaaaa |
| 22:04 | <@pparadis> | 和平 |
| 22:05 | <thegodlikehobo> | まんこ。以上だ。 |
| 22:06 | <@pparadis> | thegodlikehobo: 膣は、それは夕食のために何です。 |
| 22:08 | <sirpengi> | 余計なことを言うな |
| 22:08 | <thegodlikehobo> | 膣は、ほかの白い肉。 |
| 22:08 | <@stan_theman> | ????????? |
| 22:08 | <v0lksman> | Perihelion, does it feel so right? |
| 22:08 | <thegodlikehobo> | wait, it's not white at all. I concede defeat. |
| 22:09 | <@Perihelion> | ⚫⚫ |
| 22:09 | <thegodlikehobo> | ●●● |
| 22:10 | <@Perihelion> | ZOMG HARRY POTTER ⚡ |
| 22:10 | <@Perihelion> | I'm really sad that I can't find a cactus character. |
| 22:11 | <hobot> | well |
| 22:11 | <hobot> | there is cactar |
| 22:11 | <hobot> | cactus character from what btw |
| 22:11 | <@Perihelion> | There's a unicode cactus |
| 22:11 | <@Perihelion> | I just can't find it |
| 22:11 | <hobot> | oh |
| 22:12 | <sirpengi> | U+1F335 |
| 22:13 | <encode> | yeah, i keep forgetting to configure screen for utf8 |
| 22:13 | <@Perihelion> | Argh, doesn't work on here :< |
| 22:13 | <@mikegrb> | lulz |
| 22:13 | <hobot> | lol only last resort and symbola support it according to this website |
| 22:13 | <encode> | even though i had some chances recently due to fremont power problems |
| 22:13 | <hobot> | and last resort is fake |
| 22:13 | <hobot> | its that apple fake font |
| 22:13 | <sirpengi> | Perihelion: http://unicode.org/~scherer/emoji4unicode/snapshot/proposed.html seems to be a proposal for now |
| 22:13 | <@Perihelion> | Sadness |
| 22:13 | <@Perihelion> | It needs to be FINALLIZED |
| 22:13 | <@Perihelion> | FINALIZED EVEN |
| 22:14 | <sirpengi> | ohh, CURRY AND RICE |
| 22:14 | <hobot> | well symbola apparenty supports it already |
| 22:14 | <hobot> | http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/1f335/index.htm |
| 22:15 | <sirpengi> | I WANT THIS: U+1F3E9 |
| 22:15 | <hobot> | ve hotel |
| 22:16 | <hobot> | love hotel* haha |
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| 22:17 | <BarkerJr> | discover sent me a Large Purchase alert for linode :) |
| 22:18 | <sirpengi> | that's crazy. that means the japanese refer to love hotels so often that they use an emoji for it instead |
| 22:18 | <sirpengi> | raburabu |
| 22:19 | <sirpengi> | s/r/l/ for those that prefer that romanization |
| 22:19 | <amitz> | but there is yet a symbol for urmom. |
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| 22:24 | <Ovron> | does urmom have a RFC? |
| 22:26 | <amitz> | no need. urmom is common knowledge, every knows every single peculiarity of urmom. |
| 22:26 | <Solver> | hahaha |
| 22:26 | <amitz> | :-o |
| 22:26 | <amitz> | :-p |
| 22:26 | <Solver> | ;) |
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| 22:30 | <Duke> | hmm |
| 22:30 | <Duke> | i smell leenodah |
| 22:31 | <amitz> | and urmom too :-p |
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| 22:32 | <Duke> | urmum since i'm inglis |
| 22:33 | <encode> | can someone say something in utf-8 again? |
| 22:33 | <thegodlikehobo> | 猫 |
| 22:34 | <Duke> | は、そ夕食のため何 |
| 22:34 | <thegodlikehobo> | :| |
| 22:34 | <amitz> | I thought there is also a matter of having the right font too? |
| 22:34 | * | Duke turns everyone into a slanted eye |
| 22:34 | <@pparadis> | |
| 22:34 | <Duke> | sup phil @ pparadis |
| 22:34 | * | thegodlikehobo forgets to turn off turn-single |
| 22:34 | <@pparadis> | Duke: \o |
| 22:34 | <amitz> | For example, my irssi fails to parse pparadis' . What's that? |
| 22:35 | <encode> | gah |
| 22:35 | <@pparadis> | amitz: http://forums.appleinsider.com/showthread.php?t=77499 |
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| 22:35 | <encode> | still not working |
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| 22:35 | <Duke> | why palegray instead of like boldgray or radiantgray or even linogray? @ pparadis |
| 22:35 | <amitz> | encode: have you installed the right fonts? |
| 22:36 | <encode> | no idea |
| 22:36 | <@pparadis> | Duke: i once noticed that i was almost always making somewhat heavy of use of pale shades of gray in web layouts, so i registered the domain name years ago. |
| 22:36 | <amitz> | encode: linux? debian? |
| 22:37 | <encode> | os x, iterm, to ubuntu + screen + irssi |
| 22:37 | <amitz> | pparadis: ah, you and your exclusive apple club! |
| 22:37 | <Duke> | all gray and no play eh |
| 22:37 | <@Perihelion> | You can only see the apple on macs apparently |
| 22:37 | <@pparadis> | amitz: i'm different, just like everyone else ;) |
| 22:38 | <@Perihelion> | fffffff tv commercials are loud compared to the news |
| 22:38 | <Duke> | zomg it's Perihelion |
| 22:38 | <@Perihelion> | ZOMG |
| 22:38 | -!- | Perihelion is now known as zomg |
| 22:38 | <@pparadis> | Perihelion: There's legislation for that. |
| 22:38 | <amitz> | pparadis: that means I'm... the same.... well, doesn't really make sense, but oh well :-p |
| 22:38 | <@jed> | there's equipment, too |
| 22:38 | <@pparadis> | truth |
| 22:39 | <mbreslin> | recently passed legislation i think |
| 22:39 | <Duke> | lumos solem! |
| 22:39 | <@jed> | tada: http://www.google.com/products/catalog?hl=en&safe=off&rlz=1C1_____enUS384US384&q=behringer+compressor&um=1&ie=UTF-8&cid=2172703099656585141&ei=XTgITbTHPMP6lweQ8JWfAQ&sa=X&oi=product_catalog_result&ct=image&resnum=1&ved=0CCsQ8gIwAA# |
| 22:39 | <@jed> | no loud commercials ever again! |
| 22:39 | <@zomg> | Why would I pay when turning the tv down works just as well? |
| 22:39 | <amitz> | encode: hmm, perhaps trying apt-get install ttf-sazanami-gothic <- half-guessing, works for me, forgot where I run it (server or client) |
| 22:40 | <mbreslin> | there should be legislation against freakishly long links |
| 22:40 | <@jed> | because it makes the really quiet dialogue easy to hear too |
| 22:40 | <amitz> | encode: for japanese font. |
| 22:40 | <@zomg> | turning the remote up and down is cheaper |
| 22:40 | <@jed> | effort |
| 22:40 | <@jed> | YOU OF ALL PEOPLE |
| 22:40 | <Duke> | any font for parseltongue? |
| 22:40 | <@zomg> | ssssssssssss |
| 22:41 | <@zomg> | jed: I'm also miserly |
| 22:41 | <@zomg> | I also blew 800 bucks on christmas gifts yesterday |
| 22:41 | <@zomg> | D: |
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| 22:42 | <encode> | http://miknight.blogspot.com/2008/08/getting-utf-8-working-in-irssi-through.html <-- all of this is already configured, so I should have utf8 |
| 22:42 | <encode> | but I don't |
| 22:42 | <encode> | so meh |
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| 22:43 | <dominikh> | fonts, my friend, fonts. |
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| 22:44 | <@jed> | GREAT |
| 22:44 | <@jed> | GOOGLY |
| 22:44 | <@jed> | MOOGLY |
| 22:44 | <Ovron> | if you're using putty, it requires a bit of fist-shaking, and it starts working |
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| 22:45 | <syberdave> | yes in putty you have to change character set to UTF-8 under "Translation" in settings |
| 22:45 | <Duke> | yo @ Ovron |
| 22:46 | <Duke> | how's ovronik life? |
| 22:46 | <encode> | not using putty |
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| 22:47 | <Ovron> | splendid, splendid thanks; how's duke...ik life? ;) |
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| 22:47 | <Chris___> | I almost blew 800 bucks on zomg yesterday |
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| 22:52 | <amitz> | encode: have you restarted the terminal app in mac? Whenever I changed language, I have to restart any mac app. |
| 22:52 | <NiftyLettuce> | \o :) |
| 22:53 | <Chris___> | following: http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php/AndroidL2TPPSKServer |
| 22:53 | <amitz> | Chris___: is zomg a reference to something? |
| 22:53 | <Chris___> | I want to use an IP not eth0, but eth0:1 |
| 22:53 | <Chris___> | can I make ipsec do this? I tried to use the eth0:1 IP in the ipsec.conf but that didn't work |
| 22:53 | <Chris___> | amitz: zomg is an op in the channel, and a good friend of mine :p |
| 22:54 | <encode> | amitz: everything is configured correctly, as far as I can tell. I haven't made any config changes today, just checked against various guides I found |
| 22:54 | <@jed> | WHAT AM I CHOPPED LIVER |
| 22:55 | <@jed> | JEEZ |
| 22:55 | <encode> | both server and client have been restarted in the recent past |
| 22:55 | <Chris___> | jed: yeah basically |
| 22:55 | <@jed> | fail. |
| 22:55 | <amitz> | O_o |
| 22:56 | <@caker> | Macs rule, PCs drool |
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| 22:57 | <@zomg> | God mode: Run Linux on a mac |
| 22:57 | <amitz> | I hate mac. |
| 22:58 | <@caker> | mac hates you! |
| 22:58 | <amitz> | mac disappoints me: 1. The line-in is not powered, I have to buy a self-powered mic. |
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| 22:58 | <amitz> | 2. hmmm I forgot... |
| 22:59 | <@caker> | macbook, iMac, iPod, iPad, Apple TV! |
| 22:59 | * | caker explode |
| 22:59 | <@caker> | iPhone! |
| 23:00 | <Ovron> | so linodes are running on xserve? ;p |
| 23:01 | <amitz> | OOH, 2. tightvnc doesn't work on mac in server mode. |
| 23:01 | <Duke> | sertainli wunerful @ Ovron |
| 23:01 | <Ovron> | apple is pulling away from the server market? :O just checked their site and the xserve will only be available till jan 31 |
| 23:01 | <amitz> | 3. Way too old python version. Unclear future of java version. |
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| 23:02 | <@zomg> | I love my iPad |
| 23:02 | <@zomg> | It's awesome to take to the gym and watch movies or whatever while I do cardio |
| 23:02 | <@zomg> | I usually forget that I'm working out |
| 23:02 | <Duke> | sensibl luv eh |
| 23:03 | <Duke> | ipad is expensiv |
| 23:03 | <@zomg> | Particularly when I bring Dexter/True Blood :3 |
| 23:03 | <amitz> | zomg: it's okay to be honest about apple. You can speak to me in private, caker won't know. |
| 23:03 | <@zomg> | The only thing I'm not a huge fan of is the iPhone. |
| 23:03 | <techhelper1> | zomg, what does the xen vm’s run on kvm/pvm ? |
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| 23:08 | <linbot> | New news from forums: Need advice for non-profit in China Drupal use / big enough in Sales Questions and Answers <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=6398>; |
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| 23:42 | <@pparadis> | it's the greatest goddamn music video of all time --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x20v9F-sWHQ |
| 23:44 | <@jed> | negative |
| 23:46 | <@pparadis> | THE HOFF COMPELS YOU |
| 23:48 | <@heckman> | Protip: don't hassle the hoff |
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| 23:50 | <bob2> | pparadis: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IApCp2Pl8k |
| 23:52 | <@pparadis> | bob2: haha |
| 23:52 | <@pparadis> | that's severely fucked up |
| 23:52 | <@pparadis> | bob2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMZwZiU0kKs |
| 23:52 | <bob2> | Sony Music says no |
| 23:53 | <bob2> | but if it wasn't one of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxEb2FrQUbE or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Az_7U0-cK0 , it should have been |
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| 23:54 | <blognewb_> | ok... http://bsd.slashdot.org/story/10/12/15/004235/FBI-Alleged-To-Have-Backdoored-OpenBSDs-IPSEC-Stack |
| 23:54 | <@pparadis> | bob2: nay, christopher walken pwns u ("Weapon Of Choice - Fatboy Slim") |
| 23:54 | <bob2> | pparadis: oh, excellent call |
| 23:55 | <@pparadis> | <3 |
| 23:56 | <@jed> | aphex twin > you |
| 23:56 | <@jed> | you'd like his music if you had robot ears. |
| 23:57 | <@mikegrb> | lulz |
| 23:57 | <bob2> | lol |
| 23:58 | <@heckman> | .... |
| 23:58 | <@heckman> | We need to get a giant vinyl wall decoration for the office of Christopher Walken dancing to Weapon of Choise. |
| 23:58 | <@heckman> | Choice** |
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| 23:59 | <bob2> | quick, before it comes back |
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| 23:59 | <SelfishMan> | !pi |
| 23:59 | <linbot> | SelfishMan: Point (0.16948880, 0.22176875) lies within the unit circle. Hits: 17515 of 22287 (π ≈ 3.143536590837708 - 0.001943937247915) |
| 23:59 | <amitz> | !summer |
| 23:59 | <linbot> | http://www.summerglauonastick.co.uk |
| 23:59 | <amitz> | !bomb |
| 23:59 | <linbot> | http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2010/06/03/us/jp-NUKE.html |
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