| --- | Log | opened Wed Oct 20 00:00:57 2010 |
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| 00:04 | <Ovron> | http://noobfarm.org/viewquote.php?id=1888 heh |
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| 00:14 | <@jed> | !pi |
| 00:14 | <linbot> | jed: Point (0.0196922971, 0.6119926338) is within the circle. Running total: 494/639 (pi is about 3.0923317684) |
| 00:14 | <encode> | Why wasn't octal 6 afraid of 7? Because 7 10 11! <-- made me laugh |
| 00:16 | <zivester_> | whats a typical server uptime for your sites on linode ? |
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| 00:17 | <bob2> | however long it has been since the last kernel security issue |
| 00:17 | <bob2> | it is very rare for linode to reboot your guest |
| 00:17 | <zivester_> | so basically set it and forget it ? until a manual reboot |
| 00:17 | <encode> | what bob2 said, except also limited by the amount of time since linode gave away free stuff and I had to reboot to take advantage of it |
| 00:18 | <bob2> | oh, that too |
| 00:18 | <bob2> | I rebooted for moar ram |
| 00:18 | <encode> | it happens more often than you might think. See /topic |
| 00:18 | <encode> | it used to be that was the only reason I rebooted. Moar ram / disk |
| 00:18 | <ohkus> | native ipv6 |
| 00:19 | <zivester_> | so basically coming from bluehost [eek] where they seem to reboot my server daily... i dont have to worry about because ill rarely ever see it down |
| 00:19 | <encode> | fwiw, my uptime is currently 125 days |
| 00:19 | <encode> | which would coincide with linode's ram giveaway |
| 00:19 | <encode> | zivester_: correct. |
| 00:19 | <Ovron> | http://www.linuxatemyram.com/ om nom nom |
| 00:20 | <zivester_> | a webserver that stays up all the time... moving a client to linode in 10 days... i hope its all bliss and no headaches :) |
| 00:20 | <encode> | in fact, in the six years that I've been a customer of linode, my vps has only ever rebooted at my behest |
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| 00:21 | <hobot> | yeah I think there was one move I had to do but they gave me 48 hours to reboot at my leisure |
| 00:21 | <hobot> | also I have Fd mine up a few times but again, my fault |
| 00:23 | <zivester_> | anyone here use an ubuntu vps? |
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| 00:23 | <mwalling> | lots of us do |
| 00:23 | <mwalling> | 48% of deployments are Ubuntu |
| 00:24 | <hobot> | I do |
| 00:24 | <zivester_> | never used a headless ubuntu... how are updates different then a desktop version... im guessing people dont update to every new kernel ? |
| 00:24 | <karstensrage> | mwalling, are there are stats like that? |
| 00:24 | <mwalling> | http://www.linode.com/about/index.cfm |
| 00:24 | <karstensrage> | are there other |
| 00:24 | <mwalling> | zivester_: kernels are provided by linode, not the distro |
| 00:24 | <karstensrage> | :( |
| 00:25 | <karstensrage> | im only in the 4.3% |
| 00:25 | <zivester_> | confused... if i get an ubuntu 10.10 image up and running... and I do an apt-get update and apt-get upgrade... won't I get a new kernel every couple weeks like I do on my gnome box ? |
| 00:25 | <bob2> | no |
| 00:25 | <bob2> | linode kernels are outside the vps |
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| 00:26 | <zivester_> | maybe I dont quite understand a VPS... :( now im worried |
| 00:27 | <zivester_> | i thought it would be identical to my ubuntu box through SSH |
| 00:27 | <encode> | it is more or less identical, in the userland space |
| 00:27 | <bob2> | it is in basically all ways but this |
| 00:27 | <encode> | but kernel mode is special |
| 00:27 | <mwalling> | zivester_: you know what grub is? |
| 00:27 | <zivester_> | ya |
| 00:27 | <mwalling> | linode handles grub and the kernel for you magicly |
| 00:28 | <zivester_> | all VPS do that ? |
| 00:28 | <superevr> | shoot |
| 00:28 | <mwalling> | zivester_: linode is awesome |
| 00:28 | <superevr> | I followed the directions on the linode website for apache setup, and now apache won't load |
| 00:28 | <Ovron> | what error does it give? check the log. |
| 00:29 | <superevr> | which log is it? ErrorLog or CustomLog? |
| 00:29 | <Ovron> | errorlog. |
| 00:29 | <superevr> | because it didn't create either of those |
| 00:29 | <zivester_> | check permissions |
| 00:29 | <Ovron> | try: apache2ctl -t |
| 00:29 | <bob2> | zivester_: most don't give you the option to run your own kernel, and instead just make you use theirs |
| 00:30 | <bob2> | zivester_: linode, with some fiddling, lets you provide your own (but it's probably not worth it) |
| 00:30 | <Ovron> | superevr: it will check config files for syntax errors |
| 00:30 | <superevr> | Syntax OK |
| 00:30 | <Ovron> | what distro are you on? |
| 00:30 | <superevr> | 10.10 |
| 00:30 | <bob2> | oh, and worse, most other providers are terrible about updating kernels when vulns are found |
| 00:30 | <zivester_> | ya i dont care to run my own kernel... just wondering how updates/security fixes get administered? |
| 00:30 | <superevr> | I followed the guide on http://library.linode.com/lamp-guides/ubuntu-10.10-maverick/#install_and_configure_the_apache_web_server |
| 00:30 | <Ovron> | what happens if you do /etc/init.d/apache2 start |
| 00:31 | <superevr> | "Action 'start' failed." \ "The Apache error log may have more information." \ " ...fail!" |
| 00:31 | <bob2> | zivester_: linode updates them fairly quickly, you just need to reboot |
| 00:31 | <Ovron> | do you not have a /var/log/apache2/error.log? |
| 00:31 | <zivester_> | so updates are automatically administered? |
| 00:31 | <superevr> | ah |
| 00:32 | <bob2> | zivester_: kernel updates (only) are handled by linode |
| 00:32 | <zivester_> | and from what you all are saying... since u never reboot, is that there are rarely kernel updates ? |
| 00:32 | <bob2> | no, I'm just silly |
| 00:33 | <superevr> | Hmmm |
| 00:33 | <superevr> | haha |
| 00:33 | <superevr> | damn typos |
| 00:33 | <@mikegrb> | lulz |
| 00:33 | <zivester_> | lol... well I'm trying to be a good sysadmin... and I'd rather not have a site that is at a security risk... so just trying to put together some best practices for myself :-/ |
| 00:34 | <superevr> | Ovron: looks like I made a typo in sites-available and set the path to "log" instead of "logs" |
| 00:35 | <superevr> | I'm surprised it refused to run because it couldn't get to the log file |
| 00:35 | <zivester_> | I guess I just need to get a linode and start playing around.. maybe I'll get it tomorrow and charge the client for October too |
| 00:35 | <Ovron> | You configured it wrong, of course it didn't want to run ;) |
| 00:35 | <bob2> | zivester_: pro-rataed, so you only pay for the next 11 days if you get it today |
| 00:35 | <bob2> | when is magic cut off day? 23rd? |
| 00:35 | <superevr> | configured the log path wrong. everything else was OK |
| 00:35 | <superevr> | I'm back up now! thanks |
| 00:36 | <Ovron> | bob2: what magic cut off day? |
| 00:36 | <bob2> | when you go from 'billed for rest of month' to 'billed for rest of month + next month' |
| 00:36 | <Ovron> | oh, didn't know that was the case. |
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| 00:37 | <zivester_> | so all linodes are on a month 1 to end of month billing cycle? i just assumed it was when u signed up |
| 00:37 | <zivester_> | month day 1* |
| 00:37 | <bob2> | everyone gets invoiced on the 1st |
| 00:38 | <@mikegrb> | lulz |
| 00:38 | <zivester_> | i learn like 10 new things about linode everyday and I dont even have one yet... lol |
| 00:40 | <zivester_> | tx all, g2g get some sleep.. gotta wakeup at 10am for my day job |
| 00:40 | <superevr> | now to figure out how to disable directory indexing |
| 00:41 | <Ovron> | superevr: remove Options Indexes in default settings, or add Options -Indexes in the <Directory> or <Location> you want to do it for. |
| 00:41 | <superevr> | which file is that? |
| 00:42 | <superevr> | The sites-enabled file? |
| 00:42 | <Ovron> | vhost configurations. |
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| 00:43 | <superevr> | ah, so each file i put in sites-available is it's own apache configuration file |
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| 00:45 | <Ovron> | It is the cleanest way, yes. You can then use a2ensite and a2dissite to enable/disable. |
| 00:48 | <superevr> | hmm I do not see where it is actually being enabled, and I don't want to do it per directory |
| 00:49 | <superevr> | ohh i guess it will override if I do it for the root |
| 00:58 | <superevr> | awesome |
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| 01:12 | <leifkb> | Anyone else unable to reach anything in Newark? (208.178.58.9 is the last IP in the traceroute before it fails) |
| 01:13 | <Ovron> | newark1.linode.com is responsive for me. |
| 01:14 | <nick125> | I'm SSHed into Newark |
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| 01:15 | <leifkb> | Hm. Something must just be broken between Comcast in Portland and Newark. :-/ |
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| 01:18 | * | tonyyarusso is typing from Newark as well |
| 01:18 | <tonyyarusso> | leifkb: try mtr to diagnose |
| 01:20 | <leifkb> | Oh, hey, it's working again. :) |
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| 02:08 | <dcraig> | !urmom |
| 02:08 | <linbot> | dcraig: Yo momma's so fat they mistook her for the ninth planet! (723:2/1) [mmoru] |
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| 02:10 | <hobot> | you mean moon |
| 02:11 | <marius> | http://mcmap.mrstk.net/ |
| 02:11 | <hobot> | or whatever it is now |
| 02:11 | <marius> | \o/ |
| 02:11 | <hobot> | is this a minecrap |
| 02:12 | <marius> | It's a MC map, yes xD |
| 02:12 | <marius> | in google maps format :D |
| 02:12 | <hobot> | thats a cool way to navigate it |
| 02:12 | <marius> | My poor windows machine stood rendering that shit for 13 hours |
| 02:12 | <hobot> | im going to show my minecraft friend |
| 02:12 | <@mikegrb> | lulz |
| 02:12 | <hobot> | lol |
| 02:12 | <marius> | It's got the best quality output of the map as well that I've seen so far |
| 02:12 | <marius> | I am strangely addicted to it, can't stop playing =( |
| 02:13 | <Ovron> | autism simulator |
| 02:13 | <marius> | YES! |
| 02:14 | <Talman> | ... |
| 02:15 | <Talman> | I just got done playing MC. |
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| 02:17 | <marius> | Haha, form last night? |
| 02:18 | <Fersure> | How many people does Linode employ? |
| 02:18 | <thegodlikehobo> | two weeks |
| 02:19 | <marius> | It employs two weeks? |
| 02:19 | <marius> | Fersure: I think that's a closely kept secret |
| 02:19 | <marius> | But at least 13 people! |
| 02:20 | <Fersure> | No, I'm being serious. |
| 02:20 | <Fersure> | I'm writing about Linode in my assignment. |
| 02:20 | <Fersure> | :< |
| 02:24 | <Fersure> | I couldn't think of another LLC, so... Linode to the rescue |
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| 02:30 | <dcraig> | how do I switch to satellite view? |
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| 02:34 | <hobot> | names |
| 02:34 | <hobot> | yep |
| 02:34 | <hobot> | he counted the ops |
| 02:34 | <hobot> | hehe |
| 02:35 | <marius> | yup xD |
| 02:35 | <hobot> | well manta doesnt know linode very well |
| 02:36 | <marius> | dcraig: Good question, I'm stil lookoing for streetview xD |
| 02:36 | <dcraig> | half those ops are robots |
| 02:36 | <Ovron> | ROBOTS HAVE FEELINGS TOO |
| 02:37 | <marius> | ^ |
| 02:38 | <Fersure> | Perihelion: Are you here? D: |
| 02:39 | <marius> | She would be sleeping |
| 02:39 | <marius> | should be at least |
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| 02:40 | <Fersure> | Damn timezones. |
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| 02:42 | <marius> | Hmm, my python2.6 install didn't go too well it seems |
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| 02:45 | <marius> | -bash: python2.6: command not found |
| 02:45 | <marius> | yeah, didn't go well at all |
| 02:46 | <marius> | using whereis I can find it's files though... |
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| 02:51 | <marius> | node->node transfer at 5MB7sec and counting, not bad ^-^ |
| 02:51 | <marius> | For an overseas transfer :D |
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| 02:55 | <G> | haha this is brilliant, switched ISPs, my connection is now going through my new ISP, but I have to use my old ISPs login details |
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| 02:55 | <marius> | o_O |
| 02:55 | <marius> | Good job? |
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| 02:59 | <G> | marius: I think Telecom only half-did the job :P |
| 02:59 | <G> | marius: just waiting to see who my data goes through :) |
| 02:59 | <G> | (the counting of the data that is) |
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| 03:00 | <marius> | Hehe |
| 03:00 | <marius> | hopefully the cheaper one? |
| 03:02 | <marius> | AWESOME! |
| 03:02 | <marius> | Anna Chapman is underessing for Maxim :3 |
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| 03:26 | <marius> | I think Idid something wrong when setting up php-fastcgi for my nginx =/ |
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| 03:27 | <Ovron> | Why's that? |
| 03:28 | <marius> | Because it won't start, I jsut keep getting child exited with: 126 |
| 03:29 | <Ovron> | oh :/ |
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| 03:30 | <marius> | yeah =/ |
| 03:33 | <marius> | Oh well, I can worry about that once the rest is set up ^-¨ |
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| 03:50 | <G> | )/win 42 |
| 03:50 | <G> | errr self-fail |
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| 03:57 | <hzin> | should I choose 32-bit or 64-bit OS for Ruby on Rails server? |
| 03:57 | <marius> | If yo uahve to ask, you don't need 64 :P |
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| 04:01 | <Talman> | Indeed. |
| 04:02 | <Talman> | Hmm, I keep consistantly getting 28-30kbps upload speed via SFTP |
| 04:02 | <Talman> | Would that be me or the linode? |
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| 04:10 | <marius> | Talman: I'm gonna go with "node", as I have the same problem from any location I try it |
| 04:10 | <marius> | But I still don't know how to solve it |
| 04:11 | <Talman> | You get capped at 30kbps too? |
| 04:11 | <marius> | 40 |
| 04:11 | <marius> | but yeah |
| 04:11 | <Talman> | Odd. |
| 04:11 | <marius> | yeah, especially since I have a 2MB/sec upload speed in general =/ |
| 04:11 | <Talman> | INdeed. |
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| 04:12 | <marius> | Ok, what've I done wrong since nginx isn't working o_O |
| 04:12 | <marius> | I'm now seeing "unable to connect" messages on the one website I added to it |
| 04:14 | <Talman> | check your logs |
| 04:16 | <superevr> | Hmmm |
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| 04:16 | <superevr> | which apache config includes are loaded first/override other config includes? |
| 04:18 | <marius> | top to bottom |
| 04:18 | <marius> | first come first serve based on names |
| 04:18 | <superevr> | so the first one overrides any later repeats of the same command, right? |
| 04:19 | <superevr> | Thats what I thought first too |
| 04:19 | <superevr> | but "security" in conf.d was overriding httpd.conf (at the top of the include list) |
| 04:21 | <marius> | hmm, Then I don't know :P |
| 04:22 | <marius> | There are no logs o_O |
| 04:23 | <superevr> | possibly |
| 04:23 | <marius> | oh I ment for my issue :P |
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| 04:26 | <superevr> | strange |
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| 04:26 | <superevr> | seems like httpd.conf is overridden every time |
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| 04:39 | <marius> | http://p.linode.com/4304 |
| 04:39 | <marius> | Let's play "spot the problem"! |
| 04:39 | <marius> | nginx is running, but there's nothing appearing in neither the nginx default log or the log location specified |
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| 05:14 | <Cromulent> | huzzah well thats the pain of postfix, dovecot and mysql done :) |
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| 05:20 | <Talman> | ANyone familiar with chrootdirectory in openSSH? I'm wondering if it'll jail a user. |
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| 05:24 | <marius> | Talman: it will |
| 05:24 | <Talman> | I just have to provide a working enviornment via simlinks to real stuff like gcc, etc? |
| 05:25 | <marius> | No idea |
| 05:26 | <marius> | I just know it works because someone told me yesterday =P |
| 05:26 | <marius> | when making a symlink, is it the first or 2nd parameter that is the target? |
| 05:26 | <marius> | nvm, figured it out ^-^ |
| 05:27 | <Talman> | I can never remember, I think its the second. |
| 05:27 | <marius> | yeah, turned out it was ^-^ |
| 05:28 | <marius> | I was thinking "ok, make a symlink, should be "link to <this> from <this>" |
| 05:28 | <Talman> | I'm always afraid I'll overwrite a very important file. |
| 05:28 | <marius> | but no, it's "link <form this> to <thi>" |
| 05:28 | <marius> | yeah, I kno the feeling xD |
| 05:28 | <marius> | I did it wrong the first time, but it wont let you overwrite |
| 05:28 | <marius> | "Creating symlink: target file exists!" |
| 05:36 | <amitz> | marius: you should have known, people are rightist. |
| 05:36 | <amitz> | except when they're leftist. |
| 05:36 | <marius> | amitz: haha, yeah |
| 05:36 | <marius> | So I am almsot done configuring the new node |
| 05:36 | <marius> | amitz: how's your nginx/fastcgi skills? |
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| 05:39 | <amitz> | lacking |
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| 05:39 | <amitz> | but i male it up with mu distracting skill. for wxample, urmom. :-P |
| 05:40 | <amitz> | make |
| 05:40 | <marius> | wxample! |
| 05:40 | <marius> | mu! |
| 05:40 | <marius> | xD |
| 05:40 | <marius> | I dunno what I'm doing wrong, I decided ot try something new and went wit ha LEMP setup this time instead of the trusted LAMP |
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| 05:43 | <linbot> | New news from forums: Created Linode Status Feedburner with e-mail subscriptions in General Discussion <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=6138>; |
| 05:44 | <marius> | heh, is the speed you get allocated to yoru node apropriate to the size of your node? |
| 05:44 | <Friction[2]> | which country's laws does linode follow for servers in london? |
| 05:44 | <marius> | Friction[2]: in what relevance? |
| 05:45 | <Friction[2]> | i want to let users know which laws they should be following regarding file uploads |
| 05:45 | <marius> | Technically it has to abive by both US law as it's a US based company, and UK law as it's on british soil |
| 05:45 | <Friction[2]> | ok |
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| 05:45 | <marius> | basically "no pedobears" should cover it :P |
| 05:45 | <marius> | You should also mention somethign about the uploaders country of residence |
| 05:46 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 05:46 | <marius> | as it may be illegal in their country to provide X in uploads |
| 05:46 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 05:47 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 05:48 | <marius> | ^ |
| 05:48 | <Friction[2]> | ok |
| 05:49 | <marius> | I like the fun little law that says she can claim whatever she damn well pleases |
| 05:49 | <Friction[2]> | she? |
| 05:50 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
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| 05:51 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 05:51 | <marius> | urmom |
| 05:51 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 05:51 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 05:51 | <Friction[2]> | claim from who? |
| 05:51 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 05:51 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 05:51 | <Friction[2]> | there is life sentences here |
| 05:52 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 05:52 | <Friction[2]> | the uk |
| 05:52 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 05:52 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 05:53 | <Friction[2]> | there's no king |
| 05:53 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 05:53 | <marius> | Will they change ti again once the big E topples over and a male steps up? |
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| 05:55 | <Friction[2]> | with file hosting is it only illegal when you share the copyrighted files? |
| 05:55 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
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| 05:56 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 05:56 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 05:56 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 05:56 | <Friction[2]> | it's cheaper on irc |
| 05:57 | <Friction[2]> | seems the law changes in benefit of the copyright holder regarding internet copyrights anyway |
| 05:57 | <Friction[2]> | i'll just assume every grey area is illegal |
| 05:58 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 05:58 | <marius> | BStS |
| 05:58 | <marius> | *BSTS |
| 05:58 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 05:58 | <marius> | Better Safe Then Sorry |
| 05:59 | <Friction[2]> | than |
| 05:59 | <Friction[2]> | someone should write a book of law. i don't see the logic in assuming people know the laws |
| 06:00 | <marius> | There are many books |
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| 06:00 | <Friction[2]> | but i mean just simple stuff that fits into a leaflet |
| 06:01 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 06:01 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
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| 06:01 | <marius> | "If in doubt, presume it to be illegal and avoid at any cost" |
| 06:01 | <marius> | I even made it into a single line |
| 06:02 | <Friction[2]> | but i was watching a programme about car modifications last night, and without knowing half the stuff would be assumed to be fine, but it was illegal. the only way you're gonna know is by trial and error |
| 06:02 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
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| 06:02 | <Friction[2]> | what? |
| 06:02 | <Friction[2]> | because it's a file hosting site; that's what happens |
| 06:03 | <marius> | Just og steal the EULA off rapidshare |
| 06:03 | <marius> | problem solved |
| 06:03 | <marius> | grep "Rapidshare ag" with "yourcompany" |
| 06:03 | <Friction[2]> | i did |
| 06:03 | <Friction[2]> | actually megaupload i think |
| 06:03 | <Friction[2]> | i'm just asking for piece of mind |
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| 06:09 | <spkitty> | car modifications in the UK isn't exactly a good basis for an argument about legality |
| 06:10 | <spkitty> | i'm not sure what *isn't* illegal to modify on your car here |
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| 06:12 | <amitz> | Friction[2]: there are enforced laws and there are not-enforced laws. Not-enforced laws are like ammunition for targeting someone for any particular reason. |
| 06:12 | <Friction[2]> | ok |
| 06:12 | <Talman> | er, what's going on in here? |
| 06:13 | <amitz> | My approach to live is just to lay low. Don't piss random people. |
| 06:13 | <amitz> | life |
| 06:13 | <amitz> | and make sure I'm comfortable with the risk of any of my action. |
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| 06:14 | <Talman> | Oh, legality of file uploads. If you think its illegal, DON'T. There's your legal advice. |
| 06:14 | * | amitz descends to the clouds after imparting his wisdom on a tablet. |
| 06:15 | <Friction[2]> | Talman, yes thanks for repeating what i said 2 minutes ago |
| 06:15 | * | Talman has a boilerplate Cease and Desist Order on Google Docs for idiots. |
| 06:15 | <marius> | amitz: descends? |
| 06:15 | <Talman> | I don't even send it to the violator, I send it to the tier 1 datacenter. |
| 06:16 | <amitz> | ah, ascends :-p |
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| 06:16 | <Talman> | Which usually results in the entire box getting pulled for a day. |
| 06:16 | <Friction[2]> | why would you do that? |
| 06:16 | <marius> | Talman: you do what for a living>? |
| 06:16 | <Talman> | I run a company that does web hosting and design, along with some other IT stuff like telcom service contracts. |
| 06:18 | <Talman> | I just looked at a former client's site that I fired, and noticed that their new host removed every element of design we created, and then they copied. |
| 06:18 | <Talman> | SOBs did a wget of our development site. |
| 06:19 | <Talman> | I sent a C&D to The Planet, the owner of the other company sent a letter threatening me, etc. I sent that, and a detailed infringement list to the attorney he hired. |
| 06:19 | <Talman> | The attorney noted that it'd be taken care of. |
| 06:20 | <Talman> | The god damned idiot called the first intellectual property attorney in the phone book. Who happens to be OUR intellectual property attorney. |
| 06:21 | <marius> | Gudtaims, hehe |
| 06:21 | <Friction[2]> | i'm still using a crappy class i stole from someone i used to work with |
| 06:21 | <Talman> | I present to you a lovely website. http://alarys.com/ |
| 06:21 | <Talman> | A crappy class? |
| 06:21 | <Friction[2]> | php class |
| 06:22 | <marius> | wow |
| 06:22 | <marius> | that looks horrid |
| 06:22 | <Friction[2]> | we went into an unofficial partnership and then he fobbed me off |
| 06:22 | <marius> | Hahaha, only female employees? |
| 06:22 | <marius> | oh wait, 2 guys |
| 06:22 | <marius> | they must be managers? |
| 06:23 | <Talman> | Nope. |
| 06:23 | <Talman> | They're 'barbacks,' they do the heavy lifting. |
| 06:23 | <marius> | some of those women were (pardon my shallowness) butt ugly |
| 06:23 | <marius> | That one perso nhas to be a dude |
| 06:23 | <Talman> | I have a 4,000 image archive of every girl he's ever worked for. |
| 06:23 | <Talman> | I know all their names. |
| 06:23 | <Talman> | Because I had to hand manage those 4000 pictures. |
| 06:23 | <marius> | ok, 2 men dressed as women so far xD |
| 06:24 | <marius> | GROUP PICTURES! |
| 06:24 | <Talman> | His original site was coded in HTML 4.0 |
| 06:24 | <Friction[2]> | omfgz lozer |
| 06:24 | <marius> | wordpress with a default theme \o/ |
| 06:24 | <Talman> | To alter the girls on the site, which happened weekly (they quit and were rehired every week or two), you had to move 10-40 images on his "staff" pages. |
| 06:24 | <Talman> | We redesigned it using Joomla, that's why this site is in Wordpress. |
| 06:25 | <marius> | joomla >_< |
| 06:25 | <Talman> | I made the guy at phocagallery hate me. |
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| 06:25 | <Talman> | Yes, Joomla. I like my joomlas. |
| 06:25 | <marius> | We've had this discussion before, havne't we ? |
| 06:25 | <marius> | xD |
| 06:25 | <Talman> | I LIKE THE LITTLE JOOMLAS. |
| 06:26 | <marius> | And I don't |
| 06:26 | <marius> | Let's agree to disagree |
| 06:26 | <marius> | cba arguing about that now xD |
| 06:27 | <marius> | must. fix. nginx |
| 06:28 | <Talman> | heh |
| 06:29 | <marius> | So yeah, nginx gurus: awaken! |
| 06:30 | <Friction[2]> | ergh england is probably the coldest country in the world |
| 06:30 | <marius> | ...also the whiniest |
| 06:30 | <marius> | it's not cold |
| 06:30 | <marius> | it's warm in an odd way |
| 06:31 | <Friction[2]> | in my house we don't turn the heating on until we can see our breaths :( |
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| 06:31 | <marius> | you have heating? |
| 06:31 | <marius> | I have tomputers. |
| 06:31 | <marius> | *computers |
| 06:32 | <spkitty> | pretty sure scotland is colder than england |
| 06:32 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 06:32 | <marius> | Pretty sure norway has yo uboth beat? |
| 06:32 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 06:32 | <eighty4> | the first spam ever on oftc :/ I fear it's going down hill |
| 06:32 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 06:32 | <amitz> | In my house, we never turn on heater ;-) |
| 06:32 | <spkitty> | it was below 0 here this morning when i woke up |
| 06:32 | <marius> | norway's getting snow tonight |
| 06:32 | <marius> | beat that. |
| 06:32 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 06:32 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 06:32 | <spkitty> | frost on the car, so bad that the battery had died and it wouldnt start |
| 06:32 | <eighty4> | marius: we've had snow for days |
| 06:32 | <marius> | SpaceHobo: I'd lvoe to live there tbh |
| 06:33 | <Friction[2]> | yeh but norway is PREPARED for cold |
| 06:33 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 06:33 | <Friction[2]> | some how every year the uk forgets how to deal with cold weather |
| 06:33 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 06:33 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 06:34 | <Friction[2]> | we get 0.5cm of snow and the trains stop, busses stop, we're advised not to use cars |
| 06:34 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 06:34 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 06:34 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 06:34 | <Friction[2]> | we ran out of grit last year |
| 06:34 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 06:34 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 06:34 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
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| 06:35 | <eighty4> | Friction[2]: last year our trains stoped as well |
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| 06:35 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 06:35 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 06:35 | <eighty4> | Friction[2]: some how they hadent realized it snowes in sweden |
| 06:35 | <Friction[2]> | my council grits AS it's snowing, and the gritter drive like punts and shower cars coming in the opposite direction with grit |
| 06:36 | <Friction[2]> | norwegians drive around in actual blizzards |
| 06:37 | <amitz> | chuck norris walks in actual blizzard. |
| 06:37 | <amitz> | naked. |
| 06:38 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 06:38 | <Friction[2]> | yes |
| 06:38 | <Friction[2]> | and i think they have special training for it |
| 06:38 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 06:38 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 06:38 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 06:39 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 06:39 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 06:39 | <Friction[2]> | but they don't take time off work when it rains |
| 06:39 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 06:39 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 06:39 | <Friction[2]> | home counties |
| 06:39 | <Friction[2]> | ? |
| 06:39 | <linbot> | New news from forums: Multiple IP's, Multiple domains and Static IP in Linux Networking <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=6149>; |
| 06:39 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 06:40 | <Friction[2]> | one or two days? o.O |
| 06:40 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 06:40 | <Friction[2]> | last year we had about a month of snow |
| 06:40 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 06:40 | <Friction[2]> | oh |
| 06:41 | <Friction[2]> | it was the longest cold snap since records begaaan |
| 06:41 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 06:41 | <Friction[2]> | kent |
| 06:41 | <Friction[2]> | but i'm not talking about just kent |
| 06:42 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 06:42 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 06:43 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 06:43 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 06:43 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 06:43 | <marius> | I remember last year |
| 06:43 | <Friction[2]> | good for you |
| 06:44 | <marius> | when the Uk was liek "zomg" and sent choppers to save people because the snow was too much |
| 06:44 | <marius> | Gudtaims, they ahd to call in "snow experts" from norwegian universities to help them during the nationa lcrisis |
| 06:44 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 06:44 | <Friction[2]> | it was on the news 24/7 |
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| 06:44 | <marius> | SpaceHobo: yes |
| 06:44 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 06:44 | <Friction[2]> | before feb |
| 06:44 | <marius> | My year turns over after the snow ends, I like snow |
| 06:44 | <marius> | xD |
| 06:44 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 06:44 | <Friction[2]> | feb is when the snow started to melt |
| 06:44 | <Friction[2]> | or melted actually |
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| 06:45 | <marius> | not here |
| 06:45 | <Friction[2]> | where? |
| 06:45 | <marius> | we had snot till like april I think |
| 06:45 | <amitz> | the earth will end when it starts snowing here. |
| 06:45 | <marius> | Norway |
| 06:45 | <marius> | amitz: Hell freezes over once a year in Norway |
| 06:45 | <Friction[2]> | yuck |
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| 06:45 | <marius> | http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=hell,+Norway&sll=42.434757,-83.984948&sspn=0.030153,0.066047&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Hell,+Stjordal,+Nord-Trondelag,+Norway&t=h&z=15 |
| 06:46 | <Friction[2]> | :P |
| 06:46 | <amitz> | marius: you should go to the equator sometime. |
| 06:46 | <marius> | I couldn't survive it |
| 06:47 | <amitz> | it's quite funny. People here think it's too hot, people there think it's too cold. |
| 06:48 | <marius> | I struggle during summr in Norway because of the heat |
| 06:48 | <marius> | imagine me at the equator >-< |
| 06:48 | <Friction[2]> | ... |
| 06:48 | <Friction[2]> | norway has a max of something like 20C |
| 06:49 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 06:49 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 06:49 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 06:49 | <Friction[2]> | 20C is summer ruined |
| 06:50 | * | amitz is on 26 |
| 06:50 | <amitz> | Celcius |
| 06:50 | <Friction[2]> | mine is off :( |
| 06:50 | <marius> | There's a good chart on it somewhere that has like "-30c - Norwegians start getting chilly" |
| 06:51 | <marius> | where is that chart at, I think it was on wikipedia actually |
| 06:52 | <Friction[2]> | when i was in norway once i had 3 inch thick coat and was still freezing my bum off. the locals were walking around in tshirts! i got some funny looks :( |
| 06:52 | <marius> | haha, yeah xD |
| 06:52 | <marius> | I was in the army far north in norway |
| 06:52 | <Friction[2]> | do you know senja? |
| 06:53 | <marius> | It was funny, new recruits came during summer, and as soon as the temp dropped under 10C they started putting on woolen overalls and freezing |
| 06:53 | <Friction[2]> | they do army stuff there i think |
| 06:53 | <marius> | I was still walkign aroudn with my sleeves rolled up |
| 06:53 | <marius> | when the real winter hit (-40 and such) they were accustomed to the heat from the overalls in warm weather so the yfroze even more xD) |
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| 06:54 | <marius> | Never been to Senja |
| 06:54 | <marius> | I was at a place called Kirkenes |
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| 06:55 | <Friction[2]> | that's right at the top 0_0 |
| 06:55 | <marius> | yes? |
| 06:55 | <marius> | we had crazy weather |
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| 06:55 | <Friction[2]> | actually it's not far from tromso, where senja is |
| 06:55 | <marius> | summer was warm adn mutated mosquitos that could bit through any amount of clothes and layers |
| 06:55 | <marius> | autumn, winds that literally lifted people off the ground and tiped cars |
| 06:55 | <tkoskine> | marius: I guess same can be applied to finns also. It was interesting to listen in the bus: "I heard they are predicting cold winter this year. - Yeah, but I hope it will be -30C only, it would be perfect. -50C would be too cold." |
| 06:55 | <amitz> | marius: wat? |
| 06:56 | <marius> | winter, snow so deep you could stack 2 people on top of each other if yo uwanted |
| 06:56 | <amitz> | the mosquito |
| 06:56 | <marius> | Yeah? |
| 06:56 | <Friction[2]> | my ex used to say she'd have fights on top of the shed and you could jump off it into 6ft of snow :( |
| 06:56 | <marius> | Friction[2]: sounds about right |
| 06:57 | <amitz> | i don't even sure mosquito can fly in cold. |
| 06:57 | <marius> | The damn mosquitos could bite through berrets, jackets etc |
| 06:57 | <marius> | during the summer it's quite warm |
| 06:57 | <marius> | I don't like summers, because then yo ucan't boil snow for water, so yo uahd to use chlorine mints that yo udropped into muddy water to drink >-< |
| 06:57 | <Friction[2]> | i'd really like to go back to north norway |
| 06:58 | <marius> | I'd like to go back to the army actually |
| 06:58 | <Friction[2]> | so you can pwn n00bs? |
| 06:58 | <marius> | hehe |
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| 06:58 | <marius> | It was fun, in twinter laugh at the freezing newbies |
| 06:58 | <Friction[2]> | the norwegian army wear funny hats |
| 06:58 | <marius> | during summer, laugh at the newbies swatting and running in circles form mosquitos |
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| 06:59 | <marius> | It was fun showing restraint and not doing the same when just glaring at the mevil-like :D |
| 06:59 | <marius> | Friction[2]: only the navy noobs/royall guards |
| 06:59 | <marius> | I wore a beret. |
| 06:59 | <marius> | like a bawwwwws |
| 06:59 | <Friction[2]> | i mean berets |
| 06:59 | <marius> | our beret looks way better then the US crap :P |
| 06:59 | <Friction[2]> | i saw a lot of them at the airport |
| 07:00 | <marius> | We have some funny rules baout them though |
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| 07:00 | <marius> | You are always to remove your headpiece whe nindoors |
| 07:00 | <marius> | except when the distance between the floor and the roof is more then 3.5 metres, then you may use your own discretion |
| 07:00 | <amitz> | marius: your old twitter pic? |
| 07:00 | <Friction[2]> | o.O |
| 07:00 | <marius> | Any vehicle is to be considered "indoors" as well, with the exception of vehicles driving without a roof |
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| 07:00 | <marius> | amitz: yea |
| 07:00 | <marius> | my beret wasn't the best though |
| 07:00 | <marius> | (you get it flatpacked, yo uahve to shape it etc yoru self) |
| 07:01 | <marius> | and yo udon't get any guidance on how to shape it, haha |
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| 07:01 | <Friction[2]> | i want a beret now :( |
| 07:01 | <marius> | I have mine at home :D |
| 07:01 | <marius> | I got to keep stuff like stripes insignias etc |
| 07:01 | <marius> | I'm consdiering buying an uniform to hav the mhagning on to have in my closet :D |
| 07:02 | <marius> | The place I was stationed has a couple markings that are unique and nobody else gets, even the minister of defense had respect for us (we walked past a general at an airport and didn't rememebr to salute him, and he stopped us...but only to have a chat, not to reprimand us) |
| 07:04 | <marius> | I miss it =( |
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| 07:17 | <marius> | I love it when clients start being all "omg our new system is gonan kick ass" to their business relations and start tellign abotu features...and now the others want it as well xD |
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| 07:35 | <Friction[2]> | wow. more people use safari in north america than ie6 |
| 07:35 | <Friction[2]> | i don't support safari, maybe i shouldn't bother with ie6 |
| 07:37 | <A-KO> | Friction[2]: that really depends on your target audience |
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| 07:37 | <Friction[2]> | i'm looking at general statistics |
| 07:37 | <A-KO> | interesting article about that on hacker news yesterday |
| 07:38 | <A-KO> | for some sites, IE6 dominates the stats for them (by 60%+), for others, it's as little as 5% |
| 07:38 | <A-KO> | That said, I don't disagree with getting away from IE6 :P |
| 07:38 | <A-KO> | So as long as you build for at least 7 or 8 |
| 07:38 | <A-KO> | preferably 8, but 7 still probably has a strong following |
| 07:39 | <Friction[2]> | i still need a seperate style sheet specifically for ie7 |
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| 07:40 | <Friction[2]> | i just looked at my site and there are a few things really messed up. the only way i can resolve it would be to just remove those things |
| 07:40 | <marius> | stupid python, always something missing >-< |
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| 07:41 | <A-KO> | for IE6? I don't see why not |
| 07:41 | <mwalling> | marius: what are you babling about? |
| 07:41 | <A-KO> | I mean, IE7 came out what? Late 2006 |
| 07:41 | <A-KO> | it's now coming up on 4.5 years beyond IE6..... |
| 07:41 | <Friction[2]> | i'm talking about ie6 |
| 07:41 | <A-KO> | that's like 40 years in IT time |
| 07:41 | <marius> | mwalling: I'm a madman :P |
| 07:41 | <mwalling> | i know |
| 07:41 | <A-KO> | so it's safe to say IE6 needs to kick the bucket |
| 07:42 | <Friction[2]> | on my site jsut as many people use ie6 as they do ie7 |
| 07:42 | <A-KO> | what's the % there? |
| 07:42 | <A-KO> | and are you making any $ off of it? |
| 07:43 | <A-KO> | I mean you have to factor in, 10% of your users using IE6, is 10% of the revenue :P |
| 07:43 | <Friction[2]> | i dono. google analytics is weird. for ie only, ie7 is at 7% and ie6 is at 9% |
| 07:43 | <Friction[2]> | yes i am |
| 07:44 | <A-KO> | IE only, IE6 covers 9% of your IE users? |
| 07:44 | <A-KO> | or 9% of your total users? |
| 07:44 | <Friction[2]> | yes of my ie users |
| 07:44 | <A-KO> | what's the % that use IE total? |
| 07:44 | <Friction[2]> | and ie in total uses 20% |
| 07:44 | <A-KO> | hm |
| 07:44 | * | Perihelion slaps marius around a bit with a large cactus |
| 07:44 | <A-KO> | well, I certainly wouldn't cut off IE at all for that matter. |
| 07:45 | <A-KO> | not @ 20%... |
| 07:45 | <A-KO> | but IE7 and 6 usage being so low..... |
| 07:45 | <A-KO> | I dunno.... |
| 07:45 | <Friction[2]> | i'd probably only block ie6 users |
| 07:45 | <Friction[2]> | but if hey use ie7 the have no reason not to upgrade |
| 07:45 | <Friction[2]> | they* |
| 07:46 | <A-KO> | well, out of 100,000 users that's 1.8% of your users on IE6, and 1.4% of your users on IE7 :P |
| 07:46 | <Friction[2]> | ok now this is confusing. awstats says only 1% of ie users use ie6 |
| 07:48 | <A-KO> | eh, if that's the case, drop IE6 |
| 07:48 | <A-KO> | unless there's like, financial transactions or somethign going on |
| 07:48 | <A-KO> | where they'd get pissed |
| 07:48 | <A-KO> | otherwise give them a page to either go download IE8, Chrome, Safari, Opera, or FF |
| 07:48 | <Friction[2]> | yeh i would |
| 07:49 | <A-KO> | tbh, they should have IE8 regardless of whether or not they use it. |
| 07:49 | <A-KO> | Remember, IE6 security flaws still permeate through the environment even if they aren't using it as a browser :P |
| 07:49 | <A-KO> | because other things do use it (html help, etc.) |
| 07:49 | <Friction[2]> | yeh |
| 07:50 | <A-KO> | funny abou this browser thing |
| 07:50 | <A-KO> | I was reading and commenting on this very thing at HN yesterday, and then the head of QA came to me and said "Did you guys certify IE8?" |
| 07:50 | <A-KO> | and me: "uhm, we thought you guys did a while ago." him: "no" |
| 07:50 | <A-KO> | me: "Well you're a bit late now." |
| 07:50 | <A-KO> | "IE8's been out for almost 2 years." him: "No it hasn't it's only been a few months!" |
| 07:51 | <A-KO> | me: "......." |
| 07:51 | <Friction[2]> | :P |
| 07:51 | <A-KO> | Half of our execs are on Windows 7 with IE8 |
| 07:51 | <A-KO> | maybe all of them by now |
| 07:51 | <Friction[2]> | what are the benefits of ie6 anyway? |
| 07:52 | <A-KO> | so I formalized an e-mail saying that any defects seen in any apps in active development should be sent up |
| 07:52 | <Friction[2]> | i always thought ie6 was the only one which let security software lock down it's settings |
| 07:52 | <A-KO> | and not squashed because "we don't support IE8" |
| 07:52 | <A-KO> | nah Friction[2], largely the only reason most corporations stick with it is because a lot of apps were/are developed for it. Some of those apps probably took many months/years to make, cost a ridiculous amount of money (hundreds of thousands+) and they're not in a rush to rewrite it after every 2 years. |
| 07:53 | <Friction[2]> | ok |
| 07:53 | <hawk> | Friction[2]: IE6 compatibility |
| 07:53 | <A-KO> | You can and can't blame Microsoft in a way on that front. You can blame them for keeping IE6 around so long, and not making it more standards compliant, but right now, the "standards" are in flux. |
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| 07:54 | <A-KO> | I mean, HTML5, CSS3, SVG are all right now in some form of draft form.....who knows who's going to come out on top. |
| 07:54 | <A-KO> | as far as browser support goes |
| 07:55 | <A-KO> | Most people just assume "oh, I'll just write for webkit"--but webkit might get it wrong in the end :P |
| 07:55 | <Friction[2]> | who sets the standards for html and css then? |
| 07:55 | <marius> | W3C |
| 07:55 | <marius> | http://www.w3.org/ |
| 07:55 | <marius> | You are welcome |
| 07:56 | <Yaakov> | I DO |
| 07:56 | <@mikegrb> | lulz |
| 07:56 | <A-KO> | lol |
| 07:56 | <marius> | YAAKOV DOES |
| 07:56 | <Friction[2]> | ok |
| 07:56 | <hawk> | And there was much rejoicing |
| 07:56 | <A-KO> | but yeah |
| 07:56 | <A-KO> | I made the case at work |
| 07:56 | <Yaakov> | At this time I have delegated the responsibility to the W3C. but, I may, at any point, make arbitrary changes to what they decide. |
| 07:57 | <A-KO> | I sent a formalized e-mail to my boss and the QA guy saying any issues we see with IE8, we push it up to dev, and then we force development to write to standards-compliant browsers. |
| 07:57 | <A-KO> | If we don't want to reinvent the wheel every 2 years |
| 07:57 | <A-KO> | Otherwise, stick to legacy/native App development |
| 07:57 | <A-KO> | and ignore browsers because of the constantly moving target |
| 07:59 | <Yaakov> | A user agent MUST interpret the blink tag to mean that the text contained within it will blink on and off at the most obnoxious rate possible. SO SAYS ME. |
| 08:00 | <Yaakov> | For accessibility, screen readers MUST repeat the text at the blink rate. |
| 08:00 | <A-KO> | I seem to be in a bit of a minority though :P |
| 08:00 | <A-KO> | It's dead damn hard to convince people of certain realities in IT..... |
| 08:00 | <A-KO> | they just assume it's all magic and can work |
| 08:01 | <Yaakov> | A-KO: Just write everything in Flash. Done. |
| 08:01 | <A-KO> | silverlight ftw :P |
| 08:01 | <Friction[2]> | kinda gay when you forgot to test your site on every browser imaginable, and your client happens to use the one you didn't test on |
| 08:01 | <A-KO> | I got into an argument yesterday with somebody because I told him if he develops apps on Windows, he needs to store the settings in the registry--and he disgarees with the registry so much that he stores his settings in a binary file in the user's directory. |
| 08:01 | <Yaakov> | Actually, that's pretty straight. |
| 08:02 | <A-KO> | and I want to smack him |
| 08:02 | <A-KO> | badly |
| 08:02 | <Friction[2]> | what about storing settings in an ini file in the user's directory? |
| 08:02 | <A-KO> | still bad on Windows |
| 08:02 | <Friction[2]> | didn't realise |
| 08:02 | <Yaakov> | And, anyone who doesn't have browser compatibility testing as an ordinary QC step is basically a poseur. |
| 08:02 | <A-KO> | Friction[2]: If it's stored in the registry, that means a corporate rollout can be done relatively easily, icnluding corporate-wide changes to settings as necessary. |
| 08:03 | <Friction[2]> | ok |
| 08:03 | <A-KO> | Friction[2]: It's a couple of clicks for me to say "set this registry key to this" for 500; 5,000; or 50,000 users |
| 08:03 | <Friction[2]> | well i only did it for a person program |
| 08:03 | <Friction[2]> | personal* |
| 08:03 | <A-KO> | I wouldn't have to write an INI parser to change a setting and put it as a logon script in hope that it runs :P |
| 08:03 | <Yaakov> | With Windows, if you don't use the registry, you are a nincompoop. |
| 08:04 | <A-KO> | Yaakov: he's a hardcore mac zealot these days.... |
| 08:04 | <Friction[2]> | my dad still thinks macs are good for graphic design |
| 08:05 | <Yaakov> | Then let him write OS X apps and stay away from Windows. Silly person, acting as if he gets to decide the constraints. It's like using op codes for the PPC because you are "against Intel processors", or some such nonsense. |
| 08:05 | <Tiven> | http://d.imagehost.org/view/0881/2my6gpt |
| 08:05 | <Tiven> | ahahah |
| 08:05 | <A-KO> | well, as far as the systems go, they're not so bad now--for a while they fell behind til they moved to X86. For that matter, I don't think Photoshop exists in 64-bit mode for OSX |
| 08:05 | <A-KO> | while it does in Windows, and is also hardware accelerated |
| 08:05 | <Yaakov> | Macs *are* good for design, for a number of reasons, but they are no longer *required*. |
| 08:06 | <A-KO> | so if you're using vastly large images, Windows is probably the better choice with Photoshop |
| 08:06 | * | encode requires his mac |
| 08:06 | <marius> | I'd love ot hear the reasons |
| 08:06 | <marius> | I still say you can get a PC with better specs etc then am ac for the same price as a mac |
| 08:06 | <A-KO> | But ti's a close enough race |
| 08:06 | <Friction[2]> | same price? pfft. cheaper every time |
| 08:06 | <encode> | cheaper is not better |
| 08:07 | <Friction[2]> | i only compared laptops. and in my case cheaper was better |
| 08:07 | <A-KO> | sure--but if you're not doing massive image processing, and you want to wait an extra 20 seconds for image compression/whatever you do, OSX is fine. It's not THAT far behind that I'd recommend against the systems at all cost. |
| 08:07 | <A-KO> | Just for edge cases :P |
| 08:07 | <encode> | vastly large images and laptops don't really mix anyway |
| 08:07 | <Yaakov> | One thing about the Mac is the color management. The input-output chain for color is much more mature than Windows. |
| 08:08 | <Yaakov> | So when you are doing print the Macs are easier to deal with. |
| 08:08 | <Yaakov> | It is also the case that the design community is generally Mac-oriented, so products and help go there first, usually. |
| 08:08 | <Yaakov> | By the way, I wish Adobe would close shop. |
| 08:08 | <A-KO> | looks like they might be bought out by Microsoft :P |
| 08:09 | <Yaakov> | New: MS Paint CS 5! |
| 08:09 | <A-KO> | Yaakov: HP makes some 30-bit LCD panels that I don't think can work on a mac ;) |
| 08:09 | <Friction[2]> | :P |
| 08:09 | <encode> | Yaakov: if there was no Adobe, what image manipulation software on mac would you use? |
| 08:09 | <Yaakov> | encode: Whatever was introduced to replace it. One of he many options that would appear. |
| 08:10 | <Yaakov> | Almost certainly something better within a couple of years. |
| 08:10 | <Yaakov> | While waiting, Photoshop would still run. |
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| 08:12 | <Yaakov> | OK... time to get ready for the office. |
| 08:12 | <Yaakov> | SMELL YOU PEABODIES LATER |
| 08:12 | <encode> | not if we smell you first |
| 08:13 | <Yaakov> | I have a stealth odor. |
| 08:13 | <Yaakov> | *poof* |
| 08:13 | <encode> | you smell exactly like my computer |
| 08:18 | <amitz> | you smell like urmom. |
| 08:18 | <amitz> | which somehow doesn't felt like an insult... |
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| 08:38 | <amitz> | marius: but mac is not as flawless in experience as i expected. |
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| 08:39 | <@Perihelion> | I like my mac |
| 08:39 | <@Perihelion> | And yeah it cost more than my other laptop but it was totally worth it |
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| 08:41 | <amitz> | Perihelion: my dad already called me 2 times concerning mac. one, can't ejext the cd. |
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| 08:42 | <amitz> | weak undetected cd. |
| 08:42 | <marius> | Perihelion: why are yo uon here? |
| 08:42 | <marius> | back to the battlefield! |
| 08:43 | <amitz> | the 2nd thing was not mac's fault, never mind |
| 08:43 | <mwalling> | theres an eject button... |
| 08:43 | <marius> | my python2.6 is broken again after I followed the #python advice =( |
| 08:44 | <amitz> | mwalling: where? none i can found hardwarely and softwarely |
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| 08:45 | <@Perihelion> | marius: shh |
| 08:46 | <@Perihelion> | Also why are you ignoring me on MSN |
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| 08:46 | <@Perihelion> | It depresses me |
| 08:46 | <marius> | I'm not? |
| 08:46 | <marius> | you are offline |
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| 08:46 | <@Perihelion> | I am not |
| 08:46 | <@Perihelion> | You know what I'm tired of your sass. |
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| 08:46 | <mwalling> | amitz: isnt it up above the backspace key? |
| 08:47 | <@Perihelion> | It's a DELETE key on a Mac |
| 08:47 | <@Perihelion> | Don't be dumb |
| 08:47 | <marius> | heh "building with enable-shared cna't hurt" my ass |
| 08:47 | <mwalling> | Perihelion: thers two fuckign delete keys |
| 08:47 | <marius> | rebuilding without it. |
| 08:47 | <mwalling> | marius: why arent you using your distro package? |
| 08:47 | <@Perihelion> | I only have one. |
| 08:48 | <mwalling> | theres one in the cluster above the arrows |
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| 08:48 | <mwalling> | you need a bigger keyboard |
| 08:48 | <mwalling> | (how can you people not have a num pad!) |
| 08:48 | <marius> | mwalling: 2.6 not in repo, not in backport |
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| 08:48 | <amitz> | mwalling: oh, mac mini. not mac keyboard |
| 08:49 | <mwalling> | uh |
| 08:49 | <mwalling> | marius: can you take the package source and rebuild it for your platform? |
| 08:49 | <marius> | Now you are talking above my head, haha |
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| 08:52 | <@Perihelion> | I never use the number pad |
| 08:52 | <@Perihelion> | So...no need |
| 08:52 | <@Perihelion> | Also someone stole the larger keyboard |
| 08:52 | <@Perihelion> | Because they are a TOOL |
| 08:52 | <@Perihelion> | I hope they see this |
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| 08:53 | <marius> | IT WASN'T ME! |
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| 08:53 | <@Perihelion> | Liar. |
| 08:53 | <amitz> | Perihelion: numpad is good, for nimber entriy |
| 08:53 | <mwalling> | exactly |
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| 08:53 | <@Perihelion> | So are the numbers at the top of the keyboard |
| 08:53 | <@Perihelion> | They work just as well |
| 08:54 | <marius> | Not as swiftly |
| 08:54 | <mwalling> | maybe its just because i have to transcribe reports |
| 08:54 | <marius> | you can't as easily hit all 10 digits without moving your fingers/hand too much |
| 08:54 | <@Perihelion> | I have two hands |
| 08:54 | <@Perihelion> | It's okay |
| 08:55 | * | tychoish verifies |
| 08:55 | <@Perihelion> | We just waved at each other |
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| 08:55 | <@Perihelion> | Like champions |
| 08:55 | <@tychoish> | ... [ docs office jazz hands ] ... |
| 08:55 | <@Perihelion> | \o/ |
| 08:55 | <@tychoish> | *o* |
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| 08:55 | <mwalling> | pparadis: i'm sorry |
| 08:56 | <@Perihelion> | He's not here |
| 08:56 | <@tychoish> | he's not here |
| 08:56 | <@Perihelion> | THANK GOD |
| 08:56 | <marius> | ... |
| 08:56 | <@Perihelion> | Silence |
| 08:56 | <marius> | you two need help |
| 08:56 | <mwalling> | Perihelion: tychoish: but he still has to put up with your antics |
| 08:56 | <marius> | just saying |
| 08:56 | <amitz> | numpad can be so fast, once the barcode reader is broken, i wasn't informed since they can enter document number almost as fast as using numpad... |
| 08:56 | <@Perihelion> | I think WE put up with HIM |
| 08:56 | <@mikegrb> | lulz |
| 08:56 | <mwalling> | amitz: lol |
| 08:56 | <amitz> | was |
| 08:56 | <@Perihelion> | marius: ø_Ø |
| 08:57 | <marius> | CRAZY! |
| 08:58 | <amitz> | mwalling: they feared i would be amgry the barcode reader was broken :-P |
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| 08:58 | <mwalling> | amitz: BOFH SLAM! |
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| 08:59 | <mwalling> | (thank god) |
| 08:59 | <amitz> | :-P |
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| 09:08 | <linbot> | New news from forums: Apache running in 48 MB of RAM in /dev/random <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=6150>; |
| 09:09 | <@jed> | \o/ |
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| 09:10 | <marius> | good boy |
| 09:10 | <marius> | now fix mah nginx |
| 09:10 | <marius> | :3 |
| 09:10 | <snubby> | hmm |
| 09:10 | * | snubby is alive |
| 09:12 | <mwalling> | oh joy |
| 09:13 | <mwalling> | jed: is pi there just to prove it is live? |
| 09:13 | <@jed> | ya |
| 09:13 | <mwalling> | also, holy shit, we've got 3 digits! |
| 09:13 | <snubby> | joy to the werld the snub has come.. ♪♪ |
| 09:13 | <@jed> | don't ab that, you're gonna punish HoopyCat |
| 09:13 | <@jed> | whoever just started one |
| 09:14 | <mwalling> | !me |
| 09:14 | <@jed> | I expect it to OOM before the day is out :> |
| 09:15 | * | swaj is low on mana |
| 09:15 | <JshWright> | !pi |
| 09:15 | <linbot> | JshWright: Point (0.3579722988, 0.9937110087) is not within the circle. Running total: 976/1241 (pi is about 3.1458501209) |
| 09:15 | <Talman> | er? |
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| 09:16 | <Talman> | Is linbot trying to calculate pi? |
| 09:16 | <snubby> | !ask |
| 09:16 | <linbot> | If you have a question, please just ask it. Don't look for topic experts. Don't ask to ask. Don't PM! Don't ask if people are awake, or in the mood to help. Just ask the question straight out. |
| 09:17 | <snubby> | er how to get really rich the fast, legal, fun and morally responsible way? |
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| 09:21 | <marius> | Through urmom |
| 09:21 | <marius> | NEXT! |
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| 09:23 | <mwalling> | Talman: it is calculating pi using the monte carlo proof |
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| 09:29 | <mwalling> | !f monte carlo pi |
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| 09:30 | <linbot> | mwalling: timed out |
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| 09:33 | <mgbowman> | account is still pending |
| 09:35 | <Tiven> | guys im about to re-deploy |
| 09:36 | <mwalling> | Tiven: cookie or a medal? |
| 09:36 | <Tiven> | dried processed food like cookies is unhealthy! |
| 09:36 | <Tiven> | medal plzz :D |
| 09:37 | <Tiven> | i copied network/interfaces entries, webserver conf, what else |
| 09:37 | <Tiven> | im trying to not forget anything ^_^ |
| 09:37 | <mwalling> | dried processed food? |
| 09:37 | <mgbowman> | my account is still pending ... |
| 09:37 | * | mwalling scratch bakes damnit |
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| 09:37 | <@mikegrb> | lulz |
| 09:37 | <Tiven> | lol |
| 09:37 | <mwalling> | mgbowman: did you get any emails? |
| 09:37 | <Tiven> | ummm |
| 09:37 | <mgbowman> | payment receipt + invoice |
| 09:37 | <mgbowman> | :-/ |
| 09:37 | <Tiven> | i dont remember what it has that its bad |
| 09:37 | <Tiven> | cookies i mean |
| 09:38 | <mwalling> | Tiven: flour, brown sugar, sugar, egg, peanut butter, butter, baking soda, baking powder |
| 09:38 | <mwalling> | theres nothing there thats bad |
| 09:38 | <Tiven> | ok home made cookies are cool |
| 09:39 | <Tiven> | (white flour is really bad but ill ignore that cause its not as bad as what brand cookies contain) |
| 09:39 | <mwalling> | Tiven: hi, unbleached. |
| 09:39 | <mwalling> | mgbowman: hang out for a bit... business hours in EDT are just starting... they should see it soon |
| 09:39 | <mgbowman> | thanks mwalling ... no biggie |
| 09:39 | <mgbowman> | i just have to deploy a pbx by nights end |
| 09:39 | <mwalling> | it most likely wont be that long |
| 09:40 | <mgbowman> | and it's 4:40pm where I am |
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| 09:40 | <mwalling> | mgbowman: you can start reading the library articles while you wait :P |
| 09:40 | <mgbowman> | doing it now |
| 09:40 | <Tiven> | mwalling tell me what else should i not forget! |
| 09:40 | <mwalling> | Tiven: just make a new linode |
| 09:40 | <mwalling> | thats what i do |
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| 09:45 | <Tiven> | no |
| 09:45 | <Tiven> | ! |
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| 09:47 | <mwalling> | Tiven: 65 cents |
| 09:47 | <Tiven> | nu.... its not that |
| 09:47 | <Tiven> | im on london69 |
| 09:48 | <Tiven> | do u promise my new linode will be on london69? |
| 09:48 | <mwalling> | why would you want that? |
| 09:49 | <Tiven> | cause it's leet name |
| 09:49 | <mwalling> | i'm sure... you could open a ticket to fix that or something |
| 09:49 | <Tiven> | T_T |
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| 09:51 | <pea[2]> | 123 |
| 09:51 | <Tiven> | 321 |
| 09:51 | <Daevien> | Tiven: pay jed some money and he'll prob 69 you |
| 09:51 | <spkitty> | Tiven: white flour is only bad if you're in NA, in which case it was likely bleached with chemicals - nowhere else in the world allows you to do that i'm pretty sure |
| 09:51 | <Tiven> | why wouldnt he do it for free |
| 09:51 | <Tiven> | im not ugly :( |
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| 09:52 | <Daevien> | well his wife is away, you might get lucky :p |
| 09:52 | <Tiven> | hah |
| 09:52 | <Tiven> | im male though :> |
| 09:52 | <marius> | Don't be so single minded ;P |
| 09:52 | <Daevien> | spkitty: flour is bad for a lot of peopel anyway, gluten = bad |
| 09:52 | <spkitty> | indeed |
| 09:53 | <avenj> | I support flour |
| 09:53 | <pea[2]> | wasn't the domain opera.com owned by an opera thing? |
| 09:53 | <Daevien> | Tiven: she's away for like a month still, not sure how long she's been gone, he might be desperate enough already :p |
| 09:53 | <marius> | How do you know these things ? |
| 09:53 | <marius> | STALKER! |
| 09:53 | <Daevien> | he was talkign abotu it last night when he posted his howto on making hamburger helper |
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| 09:54 | <Tiven> | ahah |
| 09:54 | * | Solver ponders entropy |
| 09:54 | <Daevien> | avenj: lot of people are allergic to gluten (celiac is the term used) and a lt of others jsut plain feel better with a gluten free diet. flour being one of the ways people get gluten without even realizing it |
| 09:54 | -!- | mode/#linode [-o tjfontaine] by tjfontaine |
| 09:55 | <Solver> | minor allergies are a funny thing. you might eat foods that make you feel unwell for decades and ever realise it |
| 09:55 | <Tiven> | gluten is bad |
| 09:55 | <Tiven> | i think i get acne from gluten :< |
| 09:55 | <Solver> | because the alergy is never serious the person never looks too closely into the problem |
| 09:55 | <Solver> | and of course how do you figure out the problem? |
| 09:55 | <Daevien> | Solver: gluten is bad though, cause most stuff has it unless you try to avoid it. and something like 75% of celiacs are undiagnosed or some crazy high number like that |
| 09:55 | <straterra> | kill a deer |
| 09:55 | <Tiven> | you try to cut down on it? |
| 09:56 | <Solver> | stay off a food for weeks? you could cycle through different foods for years and not find the cause (if there is one) |
| 09:56 | <Tiven> | i hear yeast is bad too |
| 09:56 | <JshWright> | I've recently noticed lactose make me unhappy |
| 09:56 | <Solver> | Daevien: my mother developed celiac recently. |
| 09:56 | <Tiven> | JshWright take probiotics :D |
| 09:56 | <Tiven> | lactose makes most people unhappy from some age |
| 09:56 | <straterra> | If you listen to the dieticians, everything is bad |
| 09:56 | <straterra> | The key is moderation |
| 09:56 | <Solver> | Daevien: I've been pondering the possibility of people who get minor problems with gluten |
| 09:56 | <Daevien> | Solver: ah, i'm prob undiagnosed as it, not totally gluten free yet, but have drtically cut back.. and feel a ton better already |
| 09:56 | <Tiven> | everything is bad cause of the way we process foods |
| 09:57 | <Solver> | mum is so much better since she cut out gluten a few years ago |
| 09:57 | <JshWright> | Tiven: yeah, I'm looking in to solution now, I just spent the past couple weeks paying close attention to when I consume dairy, and when my stomach is unahppy with me |
| 09:57 | <Solver> | JshWright: and you see a correlation? |
| 09:57 | <Tiven> | my skin is prone to acne so i have to watch many things |
| 09:57 | <Tiven> | when i cut down on dairy, it was so much better |
| 09:57 | <Solver> | 70% of humans are lattose intolerant (roughly) |
| 09:58 | <Tiven> | now i take few probiotics and i can consume dairy without problem |
| 09:58 | <Solver> | but it varies a lot by ethnicity |
| 09:58 | <Tiven> | (most of the time) |
| 09:58 | <Daevien> | JshWright: try some Almond Breeze ifyou ke drinking milk, it's made form almonds (duh) and tastes pretty good actually. plus it keeps for a long time if you don't open it and is cheaper than milk :p |
| 09:58 | <Solver> | JshWright: read up on A1 & A2 milk proteins too |
| 09:58 | <Daevien> | grr, this keyboard sucks. dropping chars. wireless acer revo keyboard for the annoyance |
| 09:58 | <Solver> | a lot of people seem to be alergic to A1 |
| 09:59 | <Tiven> | what's that? A1 and A2 :o ? |
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| 09:59 | <Solver> | australia & new zealand have recently introducted A2 milk |
| 09:59 | <Solver> | no A1 proteins |
| 09:59 | <mgbowman> | wow |
| 09:59 | <Solver> | when visiting Australia my wife was able to consume A2 milk fine even though she can't drink regular milk |
| 09:59 | <Tiven> | anyway, you can get calcium without milk by either brocolli (if i remember correctly) or supplements i guess |
| 09:59 | <JshWright> | Solver: yeah, 1% milk doesn't seem to bother me, but if I add half&half to my coffee, I tend to feel pretty lousy an hour or so later |
| 10:00 | <Daevien> | yeah, dairy is pretty bad for people. i mostly have cut out dairy unless i go to my parents. but i felt much better after cutting a lto of the gluten i had been getting, more than the dairy part |
| 10:00 | <Solver> | it turns out that most milk produced before about 1970 was A2 but the A1 breeds have better production |
| 10:00 | <mgbowman> | just setup airdisplay on my iphone |
| 10:00 | <Solver> | so they replaced the A2 breeds in many countries |
| 10:00 | <Tiven> | JshWright never milk in coffee! |
| 10:00 | <Solver> | anyway lots online about that |
| 10:00 | <JshWright> | I've also noticed a correlation when eating foods with lots of dairy (it was actually an Indian chicken dish with cream in it that first made me suspect it was dairy) |
| 10:00 | <mgbowman> | have my colloquy window on it ... all tiny |
| 10:01 | <JshWright> | Tiven: I'm a home roaster, I _never_ put milk in real coffee... the crap they brew at work needs additives to be drinkable |
| 10:01 | <Solver> | :) |
| 10:01 | <Tiven> | fair enough |
| 10:01 | <Daevien> | JshWright: are you drinking any milk substitute? soy, almond breeze, etc? |
| 10:01 | <JshWright> | Daevien: milk by itself doesn't seem to bother me (1%) |
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| 10:02 | <Daevien> | ah. haveyou ever tried cutting it out though? might make you feel better than you do without the cream even |
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| 10:04 | <Daevien> | soy milk is kind of bad too from what i found, for guys anyway. messes with us but not as bad for women |
| 10:04 | <Tiven> | Soy :X |
| 10:04 | <Solver> | interestingly my wife has been reading that soy is worse for women |
| 10:04 | <JshWright> | Daevien: I don't tend to drink a ton of milk (it's not uncommon for me to go a couple days without drinking any) |
| 10:04 | <Solver> | she's stopped drinking it |
| 10:04 | <Solver> | I consume a lot of tofu but she won't join me due to concerns over soy |
| 10:04 | <Solver> | (and the effect on women) |
| 10:05 | * | Solver is taking a lassez-faire approach |
| 10:05 | <Solver> | I need to eat. I'll try to keep a balanced diet and see what happens :) |
| 10:05 | <JshWright> | I _really_ notice it with food dishes with lots of dairy... makhani, alfredo, etc |
| 10:06 | <Daevien> | hmm, interesting. the main group i talk about this stuff with basically just avoids soy male or female as well as a lot of them gluten free, some are full blown look at gluten and they feel horrible celiacs |
| 10:08 | <@mikegrb> | lulz |
| 10:08 | <Daevien> | Solver: have you tried almond breeze? (i feel like a commercial for it lol but it's cheaper, lasts quite a while unopened as well as being better for you) |
| 10:09 | <Solver> | Daevien: hahaha :) I've seen it but haven't tried it |
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| 10:09 | <Solver> | might be worth a try :) |
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| 10:11 | <Daevien> | yeah, it miht seem diff at first if you are used to drinking milk. there's a few diff types as well, regular, vanilla & chocolate. there's also unsweetened regular & chocolate fr cooking |
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| 10:12 | <Solver> | I've been wanting to get unsweetened chocolate for a while so I can add my own sweetener |
| 10:12 | <Solver> | maybe I should look at cooking chocolate |
| 10:12 | <Daevien> | around here anyway, which is a small area, it goon sale pretty often so it's not much to try it for a 1l thing of it |
| 10:12 | <Solver> | I tried cocoa powder but it leaves silt :) |
| 10:13 | <Daevien> | heh |
| 10:13 | <Solver> | I've cut down on my sugar intake but it is still too high |
| 10:13 | <Solver> | of course not all sugars are created equal :) |
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| 10:14 | <Daevien> | yeah no silt with almond breeze. the first thing i got of the chocolate i kind of missed chocolate milk and wasn't voelry thrilled at the almond breeze version. gave it a second chance though after mostly cutting out dairy & gluten and liked it more, dunno if taste buds cleared out some by then or just took a bit to get used to it mentally :p |
| 10:16 | <pea[2]> | is tonne the english spelling? |
| 10:16 | <Daevien> | greatthing with almond breeze is when it's on sale i can buy a cart full of it and it keeps for a couple months or something unopened :p |
| 10:17 | <Solver> | Daevien: nice :) |
| 10:18 | <avenj> | I'm lactose intolerant |
| 10:19 | <avenj> | I drink a mix of soy and almond milk, haven't noticed any more weirdness than normal after a few years of it |
| 10:20 | <Daevien> | eww, mixed? :p |
| 10:20 | <Daevien> | i don't like soy milk even so i dont drink the stuff :p |
| 10:20 | <MaZ-> | milk is awesome except if i drink it before bed i get fucking charlie horse |
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| 10:20 | <MaZ-> | every timeeeeee |
| 10:20 | <MaZ-> | >:| |
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| 10:21 | <avenj> | Daevien: not mixed, alternating |
| 10:22 | <Daevien> | ah hehe thats a bit better then |
| 10:22 | <avenj> | tbh though my diet won't be what kills me, anyway :o |
| 10:22 | <avenj> | I smoke at least a couple packs a day |
| 10:22 | <avenj> | usually unfiltered |
| 10:22 | <Daevien> | MaZ-: charlie horses for a lto fo people are caused by dehydration |
| 10:22 | <avenj> | obviously I don't plan a long, healthy life. |
| 10:22 | <avenj> | :o |
| 10:22 | <@mikegrb> | lulz |
| 10:22 | <Daevien> | lol yeah |
| 10:23 | <MaZ-> | Daevien: which is curious, because after drinking milk i should not be dehydrated, right? :V |
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| 10:26 | <Daevien> | MaZ-: there's lots of funky stuff in milk though, i don't know enough to say for sure, but maybe something in there triggering your body to think it is or realize it is? |
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| 10:27 | <MaZ-> | yeah, could be |
| 10:27 | <MaZ-> | its wierd |
| 10:27 | <Daevien> | there are other causes but thats the only thing even close to relating between milk & charlie horse that i can think of |
| 10:27 | <Daevien> | well, unless you are pregnant MaZ- heh |
| 10:27 | <@mikegrb> | lulz |
| 10:27 | <MaZ-> | nothing else causes it, but if i have a glass of milk or e.g. eat icecream before bed (happens more than it should lol) it triggers it |
| 10:27 | <MaZ-> | its always like 4am too |
| 10:28 | <MaZ-> | worst night ruiner ever |
| 10:28 | <Daevien> | strange. unless you have bad circulation and the temp change is the reason? that can be a cause of them i think |
| 10:29 | <MaZ-> | mm |
| 10:29 | <MaZ-> | well i never went to the doctor about it because.... just not drinking milk based stuff before bed solved it |
| 10:29 | <MaZ-> | "xcuse me doc i get cramps in my leg / foot if i drink milk before bed, WHAT SHOULD I DO" |
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| 10:30 | <Daevien> | ironically, searchign google quickly, i find references to drink more milk & eat cheese (for calcium) as preventative ways for charlie horses :p |
| 10:30 | <MaZ-> | haha |
| 10:31 | <MaZ-> | iirc its potassium / calcium, of the two i think i'd have issues with potassium but then i cant figure milk into that at all, so whatever |
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| 11:01 | <DanM> | Hey guys... I am moving over from slicehost... going well.. how do I do the equivalent of a slicehost 'rebuild slice'.. that is, revert everything on my node to the way it was when it was first provisioned? |
| 11:02 | <JshWright> | DanM: are you using the current control panel or the beta one? |
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| 11:02 | <DanM> | current, but I'm happy to use the beta if that makes it easier |
| 11:02 | <swaj> | the beta one has a "rebuild" option |
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| 11:03 | <JshWright> | DanM: the beta one makes what you're trying to do much more "clear" |
| 11:03 | <DanM> | ok, I'll give the beta one a try. Thanks |
| 11:03 | <JshWright> | the current one works just fine as well, but that's one of the things that was made a bit more intuitive in the new version |
| 11:03 | <JshWright> | DanM: additionaly... are you aware of the existance of StackScripts and how they can make your deployment life easier? |
| 11:04 | <DephNet[Paul]> | with the current one, the only way I have found is to delete the disks, and redeploy them |
| 11:04 | <DanM> | With the current, is it just a matter of deleting the disk image and then recreating? |
| 11:06 | <snubby> | spacehoboh eh |
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| 11:06 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
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| 11:07 | <bencaron> | !avail |
| 11:07 | <linbot> | bencaron: Linode512 - 258, Linode768 - 358, Linode1024 - 115, Linode1536 - 41, Linode2048 - 31, Linode4096 - 14 |
| 11:07 | <bencaron> | !avail london |
| 11:07 | <linbot> | bencaron: (linodeavail takes no arguments) -- Gets the availability of each Linode plan type optionally restricting the results to a specific datacenter. |
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| 11:09 | <DephNet[Paul]> | !avail-london |
| 11:09 | <linbot> | DephNet[Paul]: London512 - 0, London768 - 16, London1024 - 0, London1536 - 0, London2048 - 0, London4096 - 2, London8192 - 2, London12288 - 2, London16384 - 2, London20480 - 1 |
| 11:09 | <DephNet[Paul]> | bencaron, ^^^ |
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| 11:09 | <Tiven> | ummmm |
| 11:09 | <Tiven> | so i deleted a partition after shutting down the linode |
| 11:10 | <Tiven> | then remembered i forgot to backup something so i reboot and it gets stuck on some Plymouth thingy :D |
| 11:10 | <Tiven> | it cant even run on single mode :o |
| 11:10 | <DephNet[Paul]> | Tiven, removed it from the config |
| 11:10 | <bencaron> | aaaah! Thx DephNet[Paul] |
| 11:10 | <bencaron> | when can I expect more 512 in London? |
| 11:11 | <Tiven> | DephNet[Paul] yes but didnt remove from fstab ^^ |
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| 11:11 | <Tiven> | !finnix |
| 11:11 | <linbot> | Finnix -- http://library.linode.com/troubleshooting/finnix-recovery.html |
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| 11:11 | <DephNet[Paul]> | Tiven, there is your problem, boot into finnix and and remove from /etc/fstab |
| 11:11 | <Tiven> | :D |
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| 11:12 | <DephNet[Paul]> | bencaron, probably when they can see there is enough of a demand |
| 11:12 | <Tiven> | where's the library article about working with finnix ? |
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| 11:13 | <swaj> | finally decided to stop being lazy and reduced my swap size... |
| 11:13 | <Daevien> | bencaron: i'd try opening a ticket or sending an email, we're customers, the ops would be able to give a more official time |
| 11:13 | <Tiven> | to what ? |
| 11:13 | <swaj> | 256 |
| 11:13 | <Tiven> | i have it on 256MB |
| 11:13 | <Tiven> | ah cool |
| 11:13 | <swaj> | I had it on 512 |
| 11:13 | <Tiven> | oh |
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| 11:14 | <bencaron> | Daevien: thx, make sense. I'll do with 768 for now, I'll downgrade them when avail |
| 11:14 | <Daevien> | that works too :) |
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| 11:17 | <Tiven> | isnt 'mount /dev/xvda /mnt/blabla' supposed to work ? |
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| 11:18 | <mgbowman> | account still pending activation? |
| 11:18 | <mgbowman> | _still_ |
| 11:18 | <mgbowman> | :( |
| 11:19 | <Tiven> | OH |
| 11:19 | <Tiven> | i failled |
| 11:19 | <Tiven> | i got it right now |
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| 11:24 | <Daevien> | mgbowman: did you make a ticket / send an email? |
| 11:24 | <mgbowman> | no ... it said it wouldn't take long |
| 11:24 | <mgbowman> | I must say, not the best "welcome" experience |
| 11:24 | <linbot> | New news from forums: drupal install - stack? in General Discussion <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=6147>; |
| 11:25 | <mgbowman> | "sign up" ... "then create a ticket because your account was never activated" |
| 11:25 | <mgbowman> | I got the invoice + payment receipt |
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| 11:27 | <mgbowman> | no billing issue .. because my card was charged |
| 11:28 | <DanM> | Created a new node 2.6.18.8-linode 22 kernel, centos 5.5 disk image, when I reboot, the console hangs at: Running e2fsck on a mounted file system may cause .. y/n ... so the node doesn't boot until I hit y in the console. Anyone know why that might be and what do do about it? |
| 11:28 | <Daevien> | check your junk mail folder? i dunno, if you got charged it should be active |
| 11:29 | <Daevien> | DanM: jsut a shot in the dark, have you tried the newer kernel? |
| 11:29 | <Daevien> | i haven't used centos in a while but they may have done somethign funky so the .18 doesn't like it |
| 11:30 | <Daevien> | (by newer, i mean latest paravirt, it's the one under the latest stable under the config for linode) |
| 11:30 | <Tiven> | DephNet[Paul] i edited fstab, boots ok now |
| 11:30 | <Tiven> | but SSH stopped working... any ideas ? |
| 11:31 | <Daevien> | Tiven: lish? |
| 11:31 | <Tiven> | works |
| 11:31 | <Tiven> | wait, is it running on single mode |
| 11:31 | <Tiven> | i think i forgot it |
| 11:31 | <Daevien> | heh that would make it act funky :p |
| 11:31 | <Tiven> | but how is it possible for httpd to load on single mode haha |
| 11:32 | <Daevien> | if you only needed a bit tiven, i'd say just ssh/ftp/whatever the file out using lish then redo |
| 11:33 | <Tiven> | :D |
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| 11:35 | <DanM> | The newest paravirt kernel causes problems with my iptables setup... hence going back to the newest stable. |
| 11:36 | <Daevien> | DanM: hmm. what sort of problems? |
| 11:36 | <mgbowman> | Daevien: not an issue with junk mail ... trying to login to linode.com gives me "Your account is currently pending activation" |
| 11:36 | <DanM> | Same iptables problem this guy had: http://www.linode.com/forums/archive/o_t/t_3930/iptables.html |
| 11:37 | <Daevien> | mgbowman: did you send an email then? that will get a response from someone even if they aren't watchign their irc client |
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| 11:39 | <Daevien> | DanM: ah hmm. my iptables stuff is rusty but sounds like maybe you need to update whatever you are using / your rules? |
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| 11:40 | <DanM> | Nah, my particular rules aren't the problem. You get the problem regardless of what rules you have. Something outside of my rules causes the problem. |
| 11:41 | <Daevien> | did you try flushing all the rules? |
| 11:42 | <mgbowman> | Daevien: just did ... it's been 2 hrs |
| 11:42 | <DanM> | iptables isn't really my problem... I don't really like the setup being "latest" anyway - I like to explicitly specify the kernel, so when I next reboot this thing in a year it comes up just like I left it. |
| 11:43 | * | mgbowman is about to run far far away |
| 11:44 | <Daevien> | if you won't answer / send the email if you haven't then there's nothing more i can suggest to you mgbowman |
| 11:44 | <Daevien> | !ops |
| 11:44 | <linbot> | Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community. Official Linode contact information: http://www.linode.com/about/ |
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| 11:45 | <mgbowman> | I sent the mail |
| 11:45 | <mgbowman> | no worries |
| 11:45 | <mgbowman> | I have faith in linode ... from one techie to another ... it looks the best |
| 11:45 | <Daevien> | i have no ops therefore not staff.. sending an email or putting ina ticket will directly contact staff, irc doesn't unless they have trigger setup or watch the screen |
| 11:45 | <Daevien> | yeah, linode rules |
| 11:45 | <JshWright> | mgbowman: not that it helps in your particular case, but this is a _very_ uncommon issue. I'm surprised no one has gotten back to you yet |
| 11:46 | <mgbowman> | i bet $5 i know what it is |
| 11:46 | <Daevien> | jed you noob, wake up. or Perihelion. or tychoish. jed's the only noob though |
| 11:46 | <Daevien> | (that might set off a nickname bell and if they are paying attention they'll show up, prob looking to kick my ass ;) |
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| 11:56 | <DephNet[Paul]> | how accurate is the MaxMind GeoIP City database? |
| 11:57 | <tiz-> | pretty accurate imo |
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| 12:19 | <pea[2]> | hehe designing for halloween is fun |
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| 12:21 | * | Daevien uses pea[2] as a scarecrow on the linode office front door |
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| 12:31 | <DephNet[Paul]> | is there a way of pinging a server, for example with fsockopen(), that does not make use of exec() in PHP? the only ways I have found are exec(), which I do not want to do for security reasons, and using fsockopen() which needs a port but do not want to check if a port is open, just if the server is online |
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| 12:33 | <ahf> | sending a ping requires raw socket access, which is why ping has the suid bit set. |
| 12:33 | <ahf> | so you're probably screwed. |
| 12:35 | <mgbowman> | anyway to get the kernel config for 2.6.32.16-linode2 |
| 12:36 | <DephNet[Paul]> | all i want to do is see if a server is online, I could use fsockopen, but not every server will have the same port open |
| 12:37 | <mgbowman> | nvm |
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| 12:47 | <Daevien> | DephNet[Paul]: open multiple ports, if one responds, it's up? ie: 25, 80, 443, etc? |
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| 12:47 | <Daevien> | besides that, i'd say www.google.com and see if you can find anything someone else did :p |
| 12:48 | <DephNet[Paul]> | ive decided to set ip up so that in the array of server names, I define the port to connect too on that server too |
| 12:49 | <DephNet[Paul]> | then use "fsockopen($server, $port, $errno, $errstr, 10);" |
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| 12:50 | <Daevien> | yeah, prob the best. waht are you trying to code anyway? sounds like a monitoring package and kind o wondering why you are reinventing the wheel? |
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| 12:50 | <pea[2]> | http://omgupload.com/v/rq3gtx/omg_homepage_halloween.png |
| 12:50 | <pea[2]> | form http://omgupload.com |
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| 12:51 | <spkitty> | photoshop effects make the world go 'round |
| 12:52 | <DephNet[Paul]> | Daevien, its a simple monitoring package, just to see if the server is online or not |
| 12:52 | <Daevien> | ah. any chance of it doing more? |
| 12:53 | <DephNet[Paul]> | in time, yes |
| 12:54 | <DephNet[Paul]> | i plan on adding checking of uptime, load and a few other things |
| 12:54 | <Daevien> | i'd say do it with snmp or somethign like that |
| 12:54 | <Daevien> | if it gets a response to that, it's alive. then add in the rest after for load, etc |
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| 12:56 | <mdgrech> | Hello, port 1726 is opened on my server and i don't remember opening it. Is this normal? |
| 12:57 | <DephNet[Paul]> | yeah, 2 reasons for reinventing the wheel is 1) i am using CodeIgniter to do this, and 2) gives me practice in how CI works :P |
| 12:57 | <Ovron> | Depends if you usually get memory blackouts, or not. |
| 12:57 | <Daevien> | mdgrech: nope, default setup of linodes are very very basic, so you or someone else put that there, check with netstat to see what process has it and see if that rings a bell? |
| 12:57 | <DephNet[Paul]> | mdgrech, what is listening on that port? |
| 12:58 | <Daevien> | DephNet[Paul]: ah k. yeah, i'd say do the basic snmp setup now, use that for checking if it's alive, then later on add in the uptime, load, etc checks. or just have the check for alive be he load check for instance, code 1 thing that serves 2 purposes (lazy coder way ftw) |
| 13:01 | <DephNet[Paul]> | heh, most of the checks will not be run if the server is offline, hence getting this sorted first, the way I have got it done works, but I am sure there is an easier, and more efficient, way of doing it |
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| 13:08 | <DephNet[Paul]> | Daevien, if you want to, I can stick what I have done on GitHub, it would help a great deal if someone looked at it and suggested ways to make it more efficient |
| 13:10 | <Boohemian> | hey all |
| 13:11 | <Boohemian> | i have a really bad migraine, but luckily, i'm starting to feel better (after two hours and 3 failed meds) :) |
| 13:11 | <amitz> | does sleep matter? |
| 13:12 | <amitz> | lack/enough sleep? |
| 13:12 | <Daevien> | DephNet[Paul]: heh my coding is pretty rusty now, haven't done much besides small edits in a couple years so i'm prob not a good one to have run over it. an di haven't used CI, just looked at it a couple times |
| 13:14 | <DephNet[Paul]> | Daevien, fair enough, CI is nice, modelled on RoR I think, and it has helped me split the logic from the design of a page |
| 13:15 | <Daevien> | i looked at it but just didn't have time to learn it and never got back to it. a common thing with me :p |
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| 13:18 | <DephNet[Paul]> | same here Daevien |
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| 13:22 | <Tiven> | http://pastebin.com/ASi0g70C |
| 13:22 | <Tiven> | while installing mysql, connection interrupted |
| 13:22 | <Tiven> | what do i do to fix? ^^ |
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| 13:23 | <Ovron> | I'd tell you to use screen during longer installs, but first rule of using screen is to not talk about screen |
| 13:23 | <Ovron> | :< |
| 13:23 | <Tiven> | :O |
| 13:23 | <Tiven> | yeah |
| 13:23 | <Tiven> | its a new deployment and i forgot to install it ^^ |
| 13:23 | <Tiven> | i always use it but i forgot now ^^ |
| 13:24 | <Ovron> | are you sure you are root or sudo'ing when you get that message? |
| 13:24 | <Tiven> | yes |
| 13:24 | <Ovron> | Delete the lock file then |
| 13:24 | <Ovron> | although... it says it is open, humm |
| 13:24 | <Tiven> | yes |
| 13:24 | <Tiven> | and users.. and root is on |
| 13:24 | <Tiven> | cant i kick users? |
| 13:25 | <Ovron> | No idea about that, I'm afraid. |
| 13:26 | <Ovron> | I've just deleted lock files before when stuff hit the fan; not sure if that's the correct way of solving these errors. :p |
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| 13:27 | <Tiven> | oh well |
| 13:27 | <Tiven> | i killed root |
| 13:28 | <Tiven> | and everything stopped responding |
| 13:28 | * | Tiven facepalms himself |
| 13:28 | <blognewb> | hey guys you know any service that allows you to receive fax through the computer / email? |
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| 13:33 | <DephNet[Paul]> | blognewb, have a look at gradwell.com |
| 13:33 | <DephNet[Paul]> | they are UK based, but I believe they have US numbers you can use |
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| 13:41 | <Daevien> | www.efax.com does it, never used them myself though |
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| 13:48 | <schmichael> | 2 questions about private IPs: do I have to reboot to use them after enabling them, and can I still use dhcp (if only for my public IP and dns)? |
| 13:48 | <JshWright> | yes, and yes |
| 13:48 | <JshWright> | DHCP will serve the "primary" public IP for the node |
| 13:48 | <schmichael> | and I can just use ifconfig to add the private IP? |
| 13:49 | <schmichael> | will I need to do anything with routes? |
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| 13:50 | <tonyyarusso> | I would imagine that depends on how you intend to use them schmichael. |
| 13:51 | <schmichael> | I have a db server and an app server and just need them to talk |
| 13:52 | <JshWright> | no, you shouldn't need to do anything with routes |
| 13:53 | <JshWright> | what distro are you using? |
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| 13:54 | <nick125> | You might need to add a default route.. |
| 13:54 | <JshWright> | if you're just talking to another host on the same network, no routing is necessary |
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| 13:58 | <schmichael> | thanks for the help, but I just realized my 2 app servers are in different DCs so this is a massive waste of time |
| 13:58 | <schmichael> | sorry for the noise |
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| 14:12 | <gbit> | Hi all, sometimes I'm having trouble to resolve some reverse DNS using google DNS's from my linode, from other linux that I have I can check it normaly, any ideas? |
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| 14:21 | <ZzZ0> | hello Admins |
| 14:21 | <mwalling> | !community |
| 14:21 | <linbot> | The staff may or may not be around but if you tell us your problem then someone in here may be able to help |
| 14:21 | <ZzZ0> | i forget my account password |
| 14:21 | <ZzZ0> | how i get password |
| 14:21 | <ZzZ0> | ? |
| 14:22 | <mwalling> | ZzZ0: https://www.linode.com/support/forgot.cfm ? |
| 14:22 | <DephNet[Paul]> | Daevien, mind if i pm you a link a sec? |
| 14:22 | <ZzZ0> | email is closed |
| 14:22 | <ZzZ0> | i made email for account only email is expire |
| 14:23 | <ZzZ0> | Khan is account name |
| 14:23 | <Daevien> | DephNet[Paul]: go for it |
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| 14:25 | <mwalling> | ZzZ0: we're not employees |
| 14:25 | <ZzZ0> | ohh ok |
| 14:27 | <DephNet[Paul]> | ZzZ0, can you not remake the email account, the request a new password? |
| 14:27 | <straterra> | Hmm..active/active databases scare me |
| 14:28 | <ZzZ0> | how i request new password? |
| 14:28 | <ZzZ0> | ok thanksss |
| 14:28 | <ZzZ0> | i can email |
| 14:30 | <metaperl1> | do any of you use time tracking software? |
| 14:31 | <DephNet[Paul]> | metaperl1, probably not what you want to hear but, my brain and WHMCS :P |
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| 14:34 | <mwalling> | metaperl1: i use billings |
| 14:34 | * | metaperl1 googles for billings |
| 14:34 | <mwalling> | for personal stuff at home, i use bugzilla at work |
| 14:35 | <mwalling> | bugs get tagged with their project number, i have a nice report we use to generate our time sheets based on the bugs |
| 14:35 | <metaperl1> | but can you use bugzilla and bill the client on a weekly basis |
| 14:35 | <mwalling> | no |
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| 14:35 | <mwalling> | now you're greedy |
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| 14:37 | <mwalling> | metaperl1: billings is purdy |
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| 15:05 | <mwalling> | MINECRAFT.NET IS UNDER ATTACK! |
| 15:05 | <mwalling> | OH NO! |
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| 15:07 | <DephNet[Paul]> | mwalling, you will get over it |
| 15:08 | <Daevien> | mwalling: stop attacking it then? |
| 15:08 | <straterra> | mwalling: you play minecraft too? |
| 15:08 | <mwalling> | straterra: not yet |
| 15:08 | <@mikegrb> | mmm cake |
| 15:08 | <straterra> | wtf cake |
| 15:09 | <mwalling> | thinking about starting tonight |
| 15:09 | <straterra> | I have my own server thats on beefy hardware if you ever wanna jump in to multiplayer |
| 15:09 | <DephNet[Paul]> | what is so good about it? |
| 15:09 | <straterra> | The server or the game? |
| 15:10 | <DephNet[Paul]> | the game |
| 15:10 | <superdug> | We live in a society exquisitely dependent on science and technology, in which hardly anyone knows anything about science and technology. |
| 15:10 | <straterra> | DephNet[Paul]: Well..play classic and see |
| 15:10 | <superdug> | -Michael Scott (quoting Carl Sagan) |
| 15:10 | <straterra> | Classic is free |
| 15:10 | <mwalling> | DephNet[Paul]: classic sucks |
| 15:10 | <straterra> | It's hard to describe the game without playing it |
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| 15:10 | <DephNet[Paul]> | it doesnt like my Java package for some odd reason |
| 15:11 | <mwalling> | DephNet[Paul]: i've been watching my coworker play the new version, its tons better then classic |
| 15:11 | <gasparro> | Hey, if I resize Linode should I be worried that it might come up with some errors? |
| 15:11 | <superdug> | minecraft - it's like wow, but instead of pretending to be a make-believe character, you stack blocks alongside other people stacking blocks |
| 15:11 | <straterra> | It's like..3d Lego for big kids |
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| 15:12 | <DephNet[Paul]> | WoW, oh dear god, if it is anything like WoW then it is shit |
| 15:12 | <straterra> | It's nothing like WoW |
| 15:12 | <superdug> | nope, you stack blocks, alongside other people stacking blocks |
| 15:12 | <mwalling> | DephNet[Paul]: its nothing like wow |
| 15:12 | <DephNet[Paul]> | <superdug> minecraft - it's like wow <-- according to him it is :P |
| 15:13 | <superdug> | yeah I didn't exactly give WoW a rave review in that sentence either |
| 15:13 | <mwalling> | DephNet[Paul]: its nothing like wow |
| 15:13 | <Ovron> | mc is an autism simulator |
| 15:13 | <DephNet[Paul]> | superdug, WoW is shit |
| 15:14 | <superdug> | it really isn't, except it's a "game" where lots of people play a game that no one can ever win |
| 15:14 | <superdug> | so it's just like wow in that sense |
| 15:14 | <straterra> | It's a sandbox game |
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| 15:14 | <straterra> | With 100% randomly generated worlds |
| 15:14 | <straterra> | And are pretty much infinitely large |
| 15:15 | <superdug> | there is no such thing as infinity, everything that has a begining must have an end |
| 15:15 | <straterra> | That's why I said pretty much |
| 15:18 | <linbot> | New news from forums: poor performance on TCP/IP socket (Ubuntu Lucid) on Linode in Linux Networking <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=6151>; |
| 15:19 | <straterra> | Urgh..I'd love to do iOS development..but objective c is sooo shitty |
| 15:23 | <gasparro> | So, anyone experienced any problems with resizing linode? Or was it smooth process for everyone? |
| 15:24 | <DephNet[Paul]> | gasparro, which way are you resizing? |
| 15:25 | <gasparro> | Up - to a bigger one. |
| 15:25 | <gasparro> | I just need some extra resources for a month. |
| 15:25 | <DephNet[Paul]> | it *should* be smooth, but as always backup, backup, backup |
| 15:25 | <gasparro> | So I'll be resizing it down next month. |
| 15:25 | <HoopyCat> | the first rule of the coffee club is you do not move the carafe while the coffee is still brewing |
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| 15:25 | <HoopyCat> | the second rule of the coffee club is YOU DO NOT MOVE THE CARAFE WHILE THE COFFEE IS STILL BREWING. |
| 15:26 | <NytFi> | Hiya. Got a quick pre-sales question if there are any Linode folks in here? |
| 15:26 | <mwalling> | !ask |
| 15:26 | <linbot> | If you have a question, please just ask it. Don't look for topic experts. Don't ask to ask. Don't PM! Don't ask if people are awake, or in the mood to help. Just ask the question straight out. |
| 15:26 | <mwalling> | !community |
| 15:26 | <linbot> | The staff may or may not be around but if you tell us your problem then someone in here may be able to help |
| 15:27 | <HoopyCat> | gasparro: it's generally pretty smooth... shut down, migrate, expand disk if required, boot. |
| 15:27 | <NytFi> | Well how about that. |
| 15:28 | <NytFi> | Am I paying for resources I can use or am I paying monthly per node? |
| 15:28 | <DephNet[Paul]> | NytFi, resources you can use |
| 15:28 | <NytFi> | So I could create multiple nodes, is my ultimate question, for one monthly cost? |
| 15:28 | <HoopyCat> | NytFi: you're paying monthly per node, but when you delete a node, your account is credited for the unused time |
| 15:30 | <NytFi> | Those seem to be two contradicting answers |
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| 15:30 | <gasparro> | What's monthly price for backup? Cannot find it on website. |
| 15:30 | <sirpengi> | no, you pay for each node you bring up |
| 15:31 | <NytFi> | Thank you |
| 15:31 | <sirpengi> | how much you pay per node determines the resources available for that node |
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| 15:31 | <sirpengi> | but if you remove a node, your account gets credited |
| 15:31 | <hawk> | gasparro: http://www.linode.com/backups/ |
| 15:32 | <NytFi> | So why would someone create a node with lower specifications than what they've been allocated? |
| 15:32 | <sirpengi> | masochistic? |
| 15:32 | <NytFi> | lmao |
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| 15:32 | <sirpengi> | well, RAM is RAM, nothing you can do with spare RAM. but disk space you can save for multiple configurations |
| 15:33 | <NytFi> | oooooooh |
| 15:33 | <NytFi> | Right, that makes sense |
| 15:33 | <HoopyCat> | NytFi: if they've got a 1024 but are planning to resize to a 512 eventually, they might only use half the disk space to make that process easier down the line... or they might leave some extra room for other disk images (e.g. stashing a development/testing image for occasional future use) |
| 15:33 | <HoopyCat> | (i'm a bit of a packrat like that) |
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| 15:35 | <HoopyCat> | you can also set the RAM lower to prove a point or settle a bar bet, ala http://minecraft.jedsmith.org/memory.php |
| 15:35 | <NytFi> | Cool |
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| 15:36 | <HoopyCat> | that reminds me, i need to implement file locking before something bad happens... |
| 15:36 | <tjfontaine> | dear EU, wtf. |
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| 15:38 | <NytFi> | Another scenario: If I created two nodes, can I share the combined hard disk space between both? |
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| 15:39 | <DephNet[Paul]> | NytFi, no |
| 15:39 | <Ovron> | Only bandwidth is shared. |
| 15:39 | <HoopyCat> | NytFi: not natively (since they'll almost certainly be on different hosts), but NFS can do the job |
| 15:39 | <Ovron> | I.e. all of your nodes' bandwidth goes into a common pool. |
| 15:39 | <sirpengi> | you can share them over the network, if you're okay with that overhead |
| 15:39 | <JshWright> | well... you _can_, but it would eb up to you to implement some sort of distributed file system |
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| 15:39 | <NytFi> | Good point Hoopy. Thanks. |
| 15:39 | <tjfontaine> | ZOMG WTF EU |
| 15:39 | <sirpengi> | you forgot BBQ |
| 15:40 | <HoopyCat> | wow, every time i think about file locking or NFS, the net splits |
| 15:40 | <JshWright> | MAYBE SOMEONE BBQ'S THE EU |
| 15:40 | <tjfontaine> | HoopyCat: please to be stopping |
| 15:41 | <HoopyCat> | tjfontaine: fix the network so that it only breaks when i think about file locking *and* NFS |
| 15:41 | <tjfontaine> | I'm afraid to reattach that leaf for fear it's just going to split again |
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| 15:44 | <mwalling> | WEEEEEE |
| 15:44 | * | mwalling !helping |
| 15:44 | <HoopyCat> | hmm, looking at the current state-of-the-art, i'm just going to use the prayer method of concurrent write management |
| 15:44 | <DephNet[Paul]> | wow |
| 15:44 | <HoopyCat> | that should fix the network |
| 15:45 | <DephNet[Paul]> | welcome back everyone |
| 15:45 | <tjfontaine> | I'm not holding my breath |
| 15:46 | <Ovron> | services keeps setting +R on me and welcoming me to #bitlbee :p |
| 15:46 | <tjfontaine> | that's what happens with your leaf goes away |
| 15:46 | <tjfontaine> | (multiple times) |
| 15:46 | <HoopyCat> | Ovron: that's because you keep quitting and joining the network |
| 15:47 | <HoopyCat> | Ovron: move to canada |
| 15:47 | <Ovron> | is that servers transfering me (not sure if that is possible) or am I dropping connection and reconnecting? My status window doesn't show anything like that :| |
| 15:48 | <tjfontaine> | there is no mechanism directly in the irc rfc to handle connection migration |
| 15:48 | <HoopyCat> | Ovron: you aren't doing anything, and your client<->server connection is fine. it's the server<->server stuff :-) |
| 15:48 | <mwalling> | Ovron: just blame tj |
| 15:48 | <Ovron> | Ah! Was about to ask if that was the case HoopyCat, right |
| 15:48 | <HoopyCat> | Ovron: up next, tjfontaine will pimp his meshing proposal |
| 15:48 | <tjfontaine> | there is in my extension, but noone (to my knowledge) has it implemented |
| 15:48 | <tjfontaine> | :P |
| 15:48 | <Ovron> | tjfontaine: I think such a mechanism would be nice ;) |
| 15:49 | <Ovron> | aha, there we go :p |
| 15:49 | <HoopyCat> | the third rule of coffee club is you will not pay for a 40-cent print job with a $20 |
| 15:49 | <tjfontaine> | http://xm.atxconsulting.com/multilink_protocol.txt |
| 15:49 | <HoopyCat> | additionally, the first 10 pages are free, so print half of it, use the washroom, then print the second half |
| 15:49 | <tjfontaine> | which is essentially broadcast messages across the network |
| 15:51 | <Ovron> | Are there any technical reasons why such a thing hasn't become widespread, tjfontaine? |
| 15:51 | <tjfontaine> | noones paid me to write the proxies yet |
| 15:52 | <tjfontaine> | for it to work clients and servers need to be updated, or use proxies to handle the logic |
| 15:52 | <DephNet[Paul]> | and according to some people "it is not needed or wanted" |
| 15:53 | <tjfontaine> | right, and there are still cases it doesn't cover |
| 15:53 | <Ovron> | Make up a cheesy name, like "The NEW IRC!" (like The New Game in Police Academy, awesome!) |
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| 15:53 | <HoopyCat> | it has been considered a promising idea by many people for at least 15 years now, but alas, it always turns into a we'll-fix-all-the-other-IRC-problems-at-the-same-time thing |
| 15:54 | <Ovron> | ^ translates to never? |
| 15:54 | <HoopyCat> | i like tjfontaine's proposal because it doesn't try to fix anything else :-) |
| 15:54 | <tjfontaine> | and most new development goes towards reinventing irc in the form of stack overflow |
| 15:54 | <pwnguin> | or twitter |
| 15:54 | <HoopyCat> | all proposals to revamp IRC eventually converge on either stack overflow, reddit, or xmpp |
| 15:54 | <sirpengi> | netsplits aren't bad, a little time apart rekindles the spark |
| 15:54 | <HoopyCat> | pwnguin: all proposals to revamp twitter eventually converge on IRC |
| 15:55 | <pwnguin> | heh |
| 15:55 | <pwnguin> | i think if you keep going with this you'll have a good meme |
| 15:55 | <HoopyCat> | so how about server-side handling of hashtags |
| 15:55 | <pwnguin> | and a funny chart |
| 15:56 | <HoopyCat> | and distributed, synchronized twitter servers... and a way to find all the people who are watching a hashtag right now |
| 15:56 | <Ovron> | I think we need neurotransmiters implemented for instant twitter notifications |
| 15:57 | <HoopyCat> | speaking of convergence, |
| 15:57 | <HoopyCat> | !pi |
| 15:57 | <linbot> | HoopyCat: Point (0.8283832760, 0.9736021197) is not within the circle. Running total: 1627/2053 (pi is about 3.1699951291) |
| 15:57 | <Ovron> | I don't think we'll get there before internet stops to exist |
| 15:57 | <sirpengi> | holy smokes, you guys have seriously done that 2k+ times |
| 15:57 | <Ovron> | 745M iterations got it to 3.1417224912752, and then I got bored watching it. |
| 15:58 | <pwnguin> | i wrote one of those for my calculator in ti basic years ago |
| 15:58 | <pwnguin> | like a decade later i told a roommate about it |
| 15:59 | <HoopyCat> | i wonder if i can convince the math department to hire me to run that all day |
| 15:59 | <pwnguin> | when he was thinking about doing something on calculating pi for a honors project |
| 15:59 | <Ovron> | HoopyCat: I don't know, they have some japanese dude at university of tokyo doing that already |
| 15:59 | <pwnguin> | !pi |
| 15:59 | <linbot> | pwnguin: Point (0.5566005190, 0.9432623558) is not within the circle. Running total: 1628/2056 (pi is about 3.1673151751) |
| 15:59 | <HoopyCat> | Ovron: but i'm doing it using a web 2.0 social networking mashup |
| 16:00 | <pwnguin> | he got annoyed at monte carlo precision and decided to just calculate every possible random number in what i had |
| 16:00 | <Ovron> | HoopyCat: :D |
| 16:00 | <pwnguin> | and then went super optimizing it. i guess thats why he was still in the honors program |
| 16:01 | <HoopyCat> | i wrote a paper on the history of pi, which someone needs to remind me to post in mid-march next year |
| 16:02 | <pwnguin> | get a calendar |
| 16:02 | <Ovron> | HoopyCat: sure, if I forget, just remind me about it, ok? |
| 16:02 | <pwnguin> | and put an auto reminder for 3/ 14 |
| 16:02 | <HoopyCat> | pwnguin: this is too important for that |
| 16:02 | <pwnguin> | ive got caldav todo list items going out to like 2015 |
| 16:02 | <HoopyCat> | afk, vehiclular localizer beacon is within range; my ride is near |
| 16:03 | <pwnguin> | (his ride is honking the horn impatiently) |
| 16:04 | <mwalling> | !pi |
| 16:04 | <linbot> | mwalling: Point (0.2389208836, 0.2853055733) is within the circle. Running total: 1652/2086 (pi is about 3.1677852349) |
| 16:04 | <mwalling> | aww, we're diverging again |
| 16:04 | <JshWright> | yeah, it converging on 3.14 nicely earlier |
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| 16:14 | <Boohemian> | how do i see what user owns my mysql database? |
| 16:14 | <Ovron> | if you mean by mysql-terms, no one owns it; different users have different privileges to it. |
| 16:15 | <Talman> | >.> mwalling, what is linbot doing? |
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| 16:15 | <JshWright> | Talman: magic |
| 16:15 | <mwalling> | Talman: solving pi |
| 16:16 | <Ovron> | Black voodoo magic |
| 16:16 | <Ovron> | !pi |
| 16:16 | <linbot> | Ovron: Point (0.2767911343, 0.7564880191) is within the circle. Running total: 1688/2130 (pi is about 3.1699530516) |
| 16:16 | <dominikh> | !pi |
| 16:16 | <linbot> | dominikh: Point (0.3572380775, 0.1804389580) is within the circle. Running total: 1689/2131 (pi is about 3.1703425622) |
| 16:20 | <JshWright> | Talman: calculating pi _very_ slowly... |
| 16:20 | <Ovron> | _*very*_ |
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| 16:21 | <Ovron> | We'll all be enjoying the afterlife before it will converge on the visible decimals |
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| 16:21 | <JshWright> | we're on iteration 2131... this method doesn't generally converge on 3.14 for 100k iterations or so |
| 16:22 | <mwalling> | hey, i thought it was cool |
| 16:23 | <mwalling> | !pi |
| 16:23 | <linbot> | mwalling: Point (0.3049730616, 0.8968710519) is within the circle. Running total: 1696/2139 (pi is about 3.1715755026) |
| 16:23 | <Ovron> | 20000: 3.147 -- it stayed on 3.14 after 20k iterations, good seeding for random that one! |
| 16:24 | <straterra> | mwalling: Whats the point of that thing? |
| 16:26 | <Ovron> | !moarpi |
| 16:26 | <linbot> | Ovron: 100 digits of pi starting at position 1301: 1293313677028989152104752162056966024058038150193511253382430035587640247496473263914199272604269922 |
| 16:26 | <Tiven> | !pi |
| 16:26 | <linbot> | Tiven: Point (0.1323750995, 0.1862792338) is within the circle. Running total: 1699/2143 (pi is about 3.1712552497) |
| 16:27 | <Tiven> | !hi |
| 16:27 | <Talman> | That's what I thought it was doing. |
| 16:27 | <SelfishMan> | !woot |
| 16:27 | <linbot> | SelfishMan: SiliconDust HDHomeRun Network-Based Digital HDTV Tuner (78%): $49.99 |
| 16:27 | <Ovron> | No, !pi is doing a monte carlo simulation |
| 16:27 | <Tiven> | ahahahhahahah |
| 16:27 | <Tiven> | !linode |
| 16:27 | <Tiven> | !london |
| 16:27 | <Tiven> | !bye |
| 16:27 | <Talman> | I read that as slicehost Network-Based Digital HDTV Tuner and wanted to know where the Linode version was. |
| 16:27 | <Ovron> | !spam |
| 16:27 | <linbot> | Ovron: Girls never dump studs with rocklike poles. Purchase our special desire supporting caplets |
| 16:27 | <Ovron> | oO |
| 16:28 | <Tiven> | O_O |
| 16:28 | <SelfishMan> | \o/ |
| 16:28 | <Tiven> | (thats a lie btw) |
| 16:28 | <SelfishMan> | Tiven: like you would even know |
| 16:28 | <Tiven> | :( |
| 16:29 | <Talman> | So, girls never dump guys with stoic polish friends? |
| 16:29 | <Talman> | Get your SOVIET POLE today? |
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| 16:32 | <Talman> | Ok, is there a way to make sftp go above 30kbps? |
| 16:32 | <Ovron> | ... don't throttle it and it will? :p |
| 16:32 | <Talman> | I'm not throttling it. |
| 16:33 | <Talman> | When I upload to my fremont linode, I consistantly get 30kbps up. |
| 16:33 | <Ovron> | Do you have higher upload speed capacity with your connection? |
| 16:33 | <Talman> | Yes. |
| 16:34 | <bob2> | filezilla |
| 16:34 | <Ovron> | Talman: have you tried using scp to see if it is filezilla being the badboy here? |
| 16:35 | <Talman> | I don't use filezilla, I use winscp. |
| 16:35 | <Talman> | And my connection is rated for 1.5mbit, or a little over 128kbps. |
| 16:36 | <saikat_> | if i add a linode temporarily to my account and then remove it (just to test to see if restoring from a backup works), do i only get charged for the days i use it or for the entire month? |
| 16:36 | <Talman> | Entire month. |
| 16:36 | <Talman> | You get refunded the unused days. |
| 16:36 | <Ovron> | saikat_: entire month, rest is put back as credit into your linode account upon cancelation. |
| 16:36 | <Talman> | i.e. buy, use, cancel, refund. |
| 16:36 | <Nivex> | Talman: not refund, credit. subtle difference. |
| 16:36 | <saikat_> | ah cool, thanks |
| 16:37 | <saikat_> | is that the best way to test if i can restore from a backup? |
| 16:37 | <saikat_> | what i said about getting a new linode, testing, then getting rid of it? |
| 16:37 | <saikat_> | or do people have other techniques |
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| 16:51 | <Yaakov> | I WAS BUSY TODAY |
| 16:52 | <Ovron> | Been a good boy? |
| 16:52 | <encode> | I was asleep |
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| 16:53 | <HoopyCat> | saikat: that's probably the best way to do it, without impacting your current linode in any way |
| 16:55 | <Yaakov> | I am leading a campus-wide digital signage project and the challenges are both politcal and technical. Today was a technical challenge day. |
| 16:55 | <HoopyCat> | saikat: or you can shut down your current linode, resize your images such that there's enough unallocated space to restore the backup, restore the backup, make sure it looks good, delete the restored images, resize your images again, and boot your current linode stuff |
| 16:55 | <Yaakov> | OK... TIME TO GO HOME |
| 16:55 | <Yaakov> | *poof* |
| 16:55 | <HoopyCat> | Yaakov: all signs point to YES |
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| 16:56 | <gilaniali> | Is a VPS private? I mean is the hosting company able to access my data? |
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| 16:57 | <saikat> | HoopyCat: thanks - yeah current linode is running a production site so can't do it entirely that way, but thanks for the suggestions |
| 16:57 | <HoopyCat> | gilaniali: in theory, linode can access your data (after all, the backup system does) |
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| 16:58 | <pea[2]> | i finished: http://omgupload.com/index.halloween.php |
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| 17:00 | <Talman> | gilaniali, no system is private. |
| 17:01 | <gilaniali> | HoopyCat: so the only other alternative is to encrypt all data or to get own hardware? |
| 17:01 | <Talman> | Even if you get your own hardware, you're still connecting it to the internet, gilaniali. |
| 17:01 | <Ovron> | If someone has physical access to your hardware, i.e. coloc etc, they have full access to it, basically. |
| 17:01 | <Talman> | What kind of data are you trying to protect, and from who? |
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| 17:02 | <Talman> | If you're afraid linode is going to look at your warez, then I'd be more afraid of the FBI and their bolt cutters. |
| 17:02 | <gilaniali> | hehe fair enough |
| 17:02 | <HoopyCat> | gilaniali: even with full-disk encryption, it would still need to be unencrypted in memory at some point, and thus accessible (although with much, much more difficulty) |
| 17:02 | <Talman> | If you're storing credit card data, wtf, linode isn't PCI compliant. |
| 17:03 | <Talman> | HoopyCat, yep. And nobody at the data center is gonna turn off a box when the FBI executes a search warrant. |
| 17:03 | <HoopyCat> | Talman: s/linode/a shared hardware environment/ i believe |
| 17:03 | <Talman> | Pretty much. You need to own the physical hardware and it has to meet some security requirements as spelled out in PCI. |
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| 17:06 | <HoopyCat> | that said, if you're just storing encrypted data and the server can't decrypt it, then there's no magic encryption-breaking fairies that can poke at it |
| 17:07 | <Talman> | Basically, linode doesn't care about your data. |
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| 17:07 | <Talman> | The only people you have to fear are hackers and the government. |
| 17:07 | <HoopyCat> | i wouldn't quite word it like THAT |
| 17:08 | <Ovron> | HoopyCat: OH YEAH? You havn't seen the magic fairies we have here. |
| 17:08 | <Talman> | I'm sure they care about the integrity of your drives and stuff, but they could care less that you run the largest dickgirl hentai site in the world. |
| 17:08 | <HoopyCat> | Talman: dude |
| 17:08 | <HoopyCat> | msg Talman i'm trying to keep that on the dl |
| 17:09 | <Talman> | Deny everything. |
| 17:09 | <Nivex> | Talman: would that be a DROP or a REJECT rule? |
| 17:09 | <Nivex> | :P |
| 17:09 | <Talman> | More importantly, the government just walks into the data center and clones the hard drives. |
| 17:10 | <Talman> | If you're iumportant enough for that, you done goofed and conseuqnes will never be the same. |
| 17:10 | <hobot> | yeah |
| 17:10 | <HoopyCat> | i wouldn't mind if they did that... carting off the equipment would piss me off more |
| 17:10 | <hobot> | run to the czech republic |
| 17:10 | <Talman> | On average, though, the people asking about 'will linode look at my files' have nothing of importance in those files that linode would want. |
| 17:11 | <hobot> | yep |
| 17:11 | <HoopyCat> | Talman: eh, it's a perfectly reasonable thing to think about |
| 17:11 | <Talman> | Oh, its perfectly reasonable, but these aren't mutually exclusive. |
| 17:11 | <Talman> | Those who have things to hide already know they shouldn't be on a damn VPS. |
| 17:12 | <HoopyCat> | it's not easy like sudo ls -l /home/talman/.porn/, but it's not hard like cloning alan turing, either |
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| 17:14 | <Talman> | I don't know... I see secrets in two shades: Nobody cares and This Can Never, Ever, Get Out. |
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| 17:16 | <HoopyCat> | it's more like lvcreate -s -n notviolatingemployeepolicyatall /dev/customers/linode6554321, vi /var/log/everything, ssh logserver vi /var/log/everything... |
| 17:17 | <SelfishMan> | That's why I make it easy and publicly share my porn: http://urmom.selfishman.net/furryporn |
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| 17:18 | <HoopyCat> | Talman: i see there being more of a continuum of secrecy levels... there's stuff like my credit card number, which is certainly not "nobody cares" but is not "this can never, ever, get out"... there's different PITA levels |
| 17:18 | * | Ovron does not click that |
| 17:20 | <Talman> | I don't handle CC numbers, so it goes into my "nobody cares" thing. |
| 17:20 | <HoopyCat> | Talman: known breach of my credit card number: only gonna take an hour or two of relatively minor stuff over the span of a year or two to clear up, but certainly to be avoided. breach of 100,000 customer credit card numbers: that'd suck |
| 17:20 | <HoopyCat> | Talman: how do you pay for your linode? :-) |
| 17:20 | <Talman> | If I handled CC numbers, itd be "never, ever, can get out." |
| 17:20 | <Talman> | Linode handles my CC number. |
| 17:20 | <HoopyCat> | Talman: you also handle your credit card number |
| 17:21 | <Talman> | But my linode doesn't. |
| 17:21 | <Talman> | Also, I won't sue myself into oblivion for fucking it up. |
| 17:21 | <SelfishMan> | Ovron: it is SFW |
| 17:21 | <Yaakov> | !pi |
| 17:21 | <linbot> | Yaakov: Appl |
| 17:22 | <Ovron> | SelfishMan: why. WHY?! |
| 17:22 | <Yaakov> | !pi |
| 17:22 | <linbot> | Yaakov: Pumpki |
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| 17:22 | * | SelfishMan thought it was pushing Apple Stock for a minute |
| 17:22 | <HoopyCat> | Talman: you clearly have an interest in limiting dissemination of your credit card number, BUT it wouldn't be the end of the world if it hit the main page of reddit |
| 17:22 | <path> | !prime |
| 17:22 | <linbot> | path: 113117 |
| 17:23 | <path> | heh |
| 17:23 | <path> | !pi |
| 17:23 | <linbot> | path: Point (0.7869053325, 0.4774423263) is within the circle. Running total: 1750/2202 (pi is about 3.1789282470) |
| 17:23 | <SelfishMan> | !urmom has prime pi |
| 17:23 | <linbot> | SelfishMan: Yo momma's so insecure, she gets exploited more than Roundcube! (744:19/0) [murom] |
| 17:23 | <SelfishMan> | rouncube is insecure? |
| 17:23 | <Talman> | Right now, the main page of Reddit is a countdown to a cute mexican chick being raped by 20 men and beheaded. |
| 17:23 | <Talman> | Supposedly, Roundcube has security holes. |
| 17:24 | <coobra> | secure the holes |
| 17:24 | <coobra> | make the rabit caged :p |
| 17:24 | <pharaun> | which would you prefer urmom holes or roundcube holes? :-p |
| 17:24 | <HoopyCat> | Talman: if i ever see your credit card number on there and i'm not 100% sure you posted it, by the way, i will downvote it for you. |
| 17:24 | <SelfishMan> | FOLLOW THE WHITE RABBIT> |
| 17:26 | <linbot> | path: 113123 |
| 17:27 | <path> | !prime |
| 17:27 | <linbot> | path: 113131 |
| 17:27 | <linbot> | !pie |
| 17:27 | <SelfishMan> | !moarpi |
| 17:27 | <linbot> | SelfishMan: 100 digits of pi starting at position 1401: 7967823547816360093417216412199245863150302861829745557067498385054945885869269956909272107975093029 |
| 17:27 | <path> | Mmmm pie |
| 17:28 | <Talman> | Reddit is slaved to my mind. |
| 17:28 | <Talman> | So, I'll be instantly informed if it frontpages. |
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| 17:28 | <HoopyCat> | i just google for all of mine |
| 17:30 | * | Ovron goes and has a look at google search history |
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| 17:34 | <DephNet[Paul]> | GAH, #ubuntu are SERIOUSLY in need of a bitch slap |
| 17:35 | <@mikegrb> | lulz |
| 17:35 | <NotInternat> | `lol |
| 17:35 | <NotInternat> | you say that like your surprised |
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| 17:37 | <Talman> | why now? |
| 17:37 | <DephNet[Paul]> | Internat, it is Freenode, I should have expected them to be as unhelpful as possible |
| 17:40 | <DephNet[Paul]> | Talman, Gwibber is spitting out http://pastebin.ca/1968419 when I start it up, after a few hours googling yesterday I found https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gwibber/+question/117199 which says to run "sudo add-apt-repository ppa:gwibber-daily/ppa; sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade", now I did that yesterday, and all seemed to be ok, I could send tweets fine, fast forward to today and I can no longer send tweets from Gwibb |
| 17:40 | <DephNet[Paul]> | er, and the errors it is spitting out are back |
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| 17:43 | <@mikegrb> | lulz |
| 17:43 | <sirpengi> | gtk lol |
| 17:43 | <avar> | Obviously you need to skip that fast-forward step. |
| 17:43 | <sirpengi> | anyhow, those appear to be just warnings |
| 17:44 | <sirpengi> | or is stuff actually breaking? |
| 17:44 | <sirpengi> | oh, nvm, skipped over that part where you said 'no longer send tweets' |
| 17:45 | <DephNet[Paul]> | I can recieve them, just not send them |
| 17:45 | <DephNet[Paul]> | and according to #ubuntu i have to "live with it" |
| 17:45 | <DephNet[Paul]> | sorry but that is a cop out |
| 17:45 | <G> | gosh gwibber... I've just gone to using the web interfaces |
| 17:45 | <sirpengi> | choqok calls for you |
| 17:45 | <avar> | You could compile the dev version, that wouldn't be a cop out :) |
| 17:45 | <DephNet[Paul]> | if it doesn't work, DONT FUCKING BUNDLE IT IN A DEFAULT INSTALL |
| 17:46 | <DephNet[Paul]> | sorry for the caps and swearing |
| 17:46 | <sirpengi> | IT'S UBUNTU WHAT DO YOU EXPECT |
| 17:46 | <G> | it's not that important to me and I just went argh at the new Gwibber layout (the original was barely okay for me as well) |
| 17:46 | <sirpengi> | sorry also for caps and swearing on my part |
| 17:47 | <G> | actually I agree, some of the handling of Ubuntu bugs is a bit weird |
| 17:47 | <DephNet[Paul]> | sirpengi, true, but i was told 10.10 "just worked" |
| 17:47 | <Ovron> | "Hey we want you to use ubuntu!" - Sure, I love it, just this thing doesn't work - "LIVE WITH IT" |
| 17:48 | <DephNet[Paul]> | Ovron, if i wanted to live with a bug, I would have stayed with Windows :P |
| 17:48 | <Ovron> | Windows at least works together with the bugs, they are like in a symbiosis. |
| 17:48 | <@mikegrb> | lulz |
| 17:48 | <avar> | DephNet[Paul]: Lol, who told you that? |
| 17:48 | <DephNet[Paul]> | now I am regretting the switch from OpenSuse |
| 17:49 | <DephNet[Paul]> | avar, a friend |
| 17:49 | <avar> | now an enemy? |
| 17:50 | <DephNet[Paul]> | no |
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| 17:51 | <avar> | anyway, I recommend bitlbee and irssi for using twitter on linux |
| 17:51 | <avar> | and whatever else gwibber is doing for ya |
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| 17:51 | <DephNet[Paul]> | this is the only thing pissing me off, granted I do not send many tweets, but why should I use a client to recieve them, and then go to the website to send them, when the client should be able to send them |
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| 17:52 | <alekjoly1> | hi to you all! |
| 17:52 | <avar> | Dude, software that you got FOR FREE has BUGS. You could either be helpful and try the dev version / patch it / help with the bug, or just live with it. |
| 17:52 | <DephNet[Paul]> | and now, I have been told to fix it myself |
| 17:53 | <avar> | But right now you're just going "hey, this free beer you gave me? IT SUCKS" |
| 17:53 | <DephNet[Paul]> | avar, i understand it will have bugs, but it is the attitude of people in #ubuntu that gets my back up the most |
| 17:53 | <avar> | anyway, use Debian instead of Ubuntu to avoid most of their "we packaged unstable and it probably wrks" siht |
| 17:54 | <alekjoly1> | does anyone know where to find the installation for Rails 3 and Nginx for Ubuntu 10.04 LTS 64bit? |
| 17:54 | <avar> | blurghl |
| 17:54 | <alekjoly1> | ... it would be much appriciated! Thank you |
| 17:54 | <DephNet[Paul]> | if they said, "live with it for a couple weeks" I wouldnt mind |
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| 17:55 | <avar> | You know those people were just some guys on IRC, not Ubuntu's official PR agents or something, right? |
| 17:55 | <DephNet[Paul]> | avar, yeah, but they could still do with a bitch slap |
| 17:56 | <DephNet[Paul]> | telling someone that has an issue to "deal with it" or "fix it yourself" is not helpful |
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| 17:57 | <avar> | Neither is bitching about some random dudes on IRC who hurt your feelings. |
| 17:57 | <DephNet[Paul]> | i was in there asking for help, i do not expect attitude from someone telling me to fix it myself |
| 17:58 | <avar> | It's IRC, most channels are giant circlejerkfests filled with sexually starved 16 year olds trying to show off. |
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| 17:58 | <avar> | Sometimes you can get some info from 'em, sometimes you don't. |
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| 18:03 | <HoopyCat> | avar: i'm not 16, you inconsiderate clod |
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| 18:04 | <HoopyCat> | DephNet[Paul]: what's the bug id? |
| 18:04 | <Nivex> | avar: a/s/l ? |
| 18:04 | <DephNet[Paul]> | HoopyCat, https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gwibber/+question/117199 |
| 18:04 | <HoopyCat> | DephNet[Paul]: that's not a bug id |
| 18:05 | <HoopyCat> | DephNet[Paul]: oh there it is, 638794 |
| 18:05 | <gasparro> | Hey guys, I transferred to linode 1024 from 512 and it says Transfer/Mo :283GB, while it should be 400GB. Whay is that? |
| 18:06 | <Nivex> | gasparro: transfer is prorated for the month |
| 18:06 | <HoopyCat> | DephNet[Paul]: the bug seems to be facebook-specific? |
| 18:06 | <DephNet[Paul]> | HoopyCat, although, I have been able to add the account, and I can see tweets in Gwibber now, I just can not send them |
| 18:06 | <bob2> | gasparro: you don't get a free lunch |
| 18:06 | <gasparro> | Nivex: What does it mean? |
| 18:07 | <DephNet[Paul]> | so, unless it is a different bug, but showing the same symptoms as that one, I do not have a clue what is wrong |
| 18:07 | <avar> | Nivex: 16 + 8, m, Amsterdam :) |
| 18:07 | <bob2> | gasparro: you get (200*20/31 + 400 * 10/31) GB |
| 18:07 | <SelfishMan> | ! people still use facebook?!? |
| 18:07 | <bob2> | gasparro: ie you didn't pay for the 1024MB linode quota all month, so you don't get it for the whole month |
| 18:07 | <HoopyCat> | DephNet[Paul]: it appears to be a different bug, since https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gwibber/+bug/614742 (of which the 638794 linked off of answers.* is a duplicate) only mentions twitter in the context of working fine |
| 18:08 | <gasparro> | Oh, that sucks. |
| 18:08 | <gasparro> | That was one of the reasons I switched to bigger linode. |
| 18:09 | <SelfishMan> | gasparro: if you are really nice when you open a ticket you may be able to get the 100Gb addon added at full price and back-dated to the beginning of the month. |
| 18:09 | <DephNet[Paul]> | gasparro, you can purchase transfer extra, which are not prorated i believe |
| 18:09 | <SelfishMan> | DephNet[Paul]: nah, the addon is prorated too |
| 18:10 | <HoopyCat> | SelfishMan: sure about that? |
| 18:10 | <DephNet[Paul]> | SelfishMan, ahh, i guess, as the cost is prorated |
| 18:10 | <SelfishMan> | HoopyCat: yep |
| 18:10 | <SelfishMan> | I've run into it many times |
| 18:10 | <bob2> | either way, support ticket -> great love |
| 18:10 | <gasparro> | SelfishMan: We'll see how it goes. We are launching one facebook app tomorrow, if we run out of space we will buy extra BW. |
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| 18:14 | <HoopyCat> | DephNet[Paul]: my gut is telling me it is somehow related to twitter's security model relying on twitter client oauth tokens being secret |
| 18:15 | <DephNet[Paul]> | HoopyCat, I was able to send tweets via Gwibber last night, and since then it has not been updated, and from what I can tell, neither has the Twitter API |
| 18:17 | <HoopyCat> | DephNet[Paul]: if twitter no longer accepts the identity hardcoded into your copy of gwibber, that would break it. but i'd expect more bugs in launchpad... |
| 18:17 | <sirpengi> | it's just a sign that you should stop using twitter and move to identi.ca |
| 18:19 | <DephNet[Paul]> | heh, its also a sign that whatever Ubuntu says it does NOT "just work" |
| 18:19 | <HoopyCat> | DephNet[Paul]: my advice: revert to the non-PPA version, nuke any relevant configs/caches from your profile, and open a bug if the problem doesn't match a known bug |
| 18:19 | <DephNet[Paul]> | HoopyCat, how do I revert? |
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| 18:20 | <HoopyCat> | DephNet[Paul]: remove the ppa reference from your /etc/apt/sources.list, apt-get purge gwibber, apt-get update, apt-get upgrade (just 'cuz), apt-get install gwibber... that would kill 1.5 birds with one stone, leaving only .5 bird remaining to manually kill |
| 18:22 | <DephNet[Paul]> | and that .5 bird is delete the gwibber configs? |
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| 18:24 | <DephNet[Paul]> | or, check the Gwibber config, and click "Send Messages" in there >.< |
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| 18:26 | <HoopyCat> | DephNet[Paul]: nod... not sure where it would all be, unfortunately, but ~/.cache/gwibber/ and the /apps/gwibber/* gconf keys would probably do it |
| 18:26 | <Luizg> | hmm. http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/10/20/1958209/UK-To-Track-All-Browsing-Email-and-Phone-Calls?from=rss < will linode now have to record every TCP header/URL/email headers for traffic to/from the UK DC? |
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| 18:27 | <dominikh> | oh bloody great that I want to host my VPS in London |
| 18:27 | <DephNet[Paul]> | well, if this has fixed the no sending messages issue, then I am all good |
| 18:27 | <HoopyCat> | DephNet[Paul]: rule of thumb with ubuntu: if you can't find your exact problem at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gwibber, it's just you |
| 18:28 | <spkitty> | various uk governments have been planning to introduce stuff like that for years now |
| 18:28 | <spkitty> | we'll see what happens if it happens |
| 18:28 | <DephNet[Paul]> | HoopyCat, isnt that the rule of thumb with Linux in general? |
| 18:28 | <HoopyCat> | DephNet[Paul]: generally yes :-) |
| 18:29 | <DephNet[Paul]> | Luizg, I believe that just refers to ISP's like BT |
| 18:30 | <HoopyCat> | who is transporting e-mail in the clear? |
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| 18:31 | <DephNet[Paul]> | HoopyCat, everyone that uses any ISP's mail servers |
| 18:31 | <Luizg> | everyone :| no one I talk to uses encrypted email |
| 18:31 | <DephNet[Paul]> | and if you are on BT, then you *have* to use their mail servers, as they block all connections on port 25 |
| 18:32 | <HoopyCat> | DephNet[Paul]: it's TLS from my computer to gmail |
| 18:32 | <spkitty> | if you're on BT that's your own fault |
| 18:32 | <DephNet[Paul]> | HoopyCat, same here |
| 18:32 | <Ovron> | gpg ftw |
| 18:32 | <HoopyCat> | who is sending e-mail from their MUA to port 25? |
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| 18:32 | <DephNet[Paul]> | spkitty, good job I do not use BT |
| 18:32 | <spkitty> | same here |
| 18:32 | <HoopyCat> | Ovron: doesn't encrypt the headers |
| 18:33 | <DephNet[Paul]> | HoopyCat, BT block all ports, apart from 25 and 443 |
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| 18:33 | <HoopyCat> | DephNet[Paul]: 80 and 443 you mean? |
| 18:33 | <Ovron> | HoopyCat: I am not that very bothered about those, personally. I can see it being sensitive in certain cases though. (but yes, mail at work is encrypted both in connection, and content) |
| 18:33 | <DephNet[Paul]> | yes, whoops |
| 18:33 | <HoopyCat> | DephNet[Paul]: that'd suck for working from home |
| 18:34 | <DephNet[Paul]> | HoopyCat, when I was forced to use BT, I set up a VPN, so that I *could* work from home |
| 18:34 | <spkitty> | HoopyCat: anybody needing ports other than 80 and 443 knows not to chose BT if at all possible :v |
| 18:34 | <HoopyCat> | DephNet[Paul]: can you pay extra to get a connection to the internet? :-) |
| 18:34 | <dominikh> | haha |
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| 18:35 | <DephNet[Paul]> | HoopyCat, from BT? they try their hardest to not give you one |
| 18:36 | <HoopyCat> | anyway, if that law comes to pass, make sure you comply with it |
| 18:36 | <spkitty> | inlaws have BT, it seems like it gets slower and slower each time we visit |
| 18:36 | <spkitty> | i am certain they are throttling it |
| 18:36 | <DephNet[Paul]> | we were on an "unlimited" package with BT and they cut us of because we had used "too much traffic" |
| 18:36 | <blognewb> | convo |
| 18:37 | <Ovron> | Linode should host up nodes in sweden, stockholm has a nice telecity datacenter, brand spanking new ;) |
| 18:37 | <DephNet[Paul]> | spkitty, BT do pretty drasticly |
| 18:37 | <spkitty> | yeah, figured |
| 18:37 | <HoopyCat> | i'm thinking linode needs a datacenter in rochester, myself |
| 18:37 | <dominikh> | Ovron: wasn't Sweden the country where all traffic coming/going to other countries is monitored/logged? |
| 18:37 | <Ovron> | dominikh: seriously taken out of proportion by the tinfoil people |
| 18:37 | <DephNet[Paul]> | HoopyCat, I am thinking they need one in Yeovil, I will be the security guard, they can pay me in Linodes :P |
| 18:37 | <dominikh> | I take that as a yes |
| 18:38 | <Ovron> | It is no different than any other country, except sweden has declared that such is the case. |
| 18:38 | <dominikh> | oh yeah, *that* makes it not so bad |
| 18:38 | <Ovron> | If you don't think your government is keeping tabs on the tubes, then you are living in a bubble. |
| 18:40 | <HoopyCat> | if the feds want to monitor any e-mail traffic my ISP can see, go right on ahead... let me know if there's anything of value in there |
| 18:41 | <Ovron> | I am just not so much for the whole tinfoil hat conspiracy about big brother watching you all. If you want things to be secure between point A and point B, use encryption. But that's me. |
| 18:44 | <sidd> | this one should be an easy question...best way to use wordpress without ftp to install themes? |
| 18:44 | <dominikh> | use the default theme! |
| 18:45 | <HoopyCat> | if the feds ARE monitoring my e-mail traffic through my ISP, they're probably terrified of my gargantuan and perpetually turgid manhood, dozens of doctorates and masters degrees, and negative weight |
| 18:45 | <bob2> | do you mean 'best way to let the web interface write executable code in to your web root'? ;p |
| 18:45 | <sidd> | not at all bob |
| 18:45 | <Ovron> | HoopyCat: Very valuable data to store in their store for sure. |
| 18:46 | <sidd> | if i could install the theme by just uploading the files that'd be kinda cool too |
| 18:46 | <sidd> | but i'm kinda new to wordpress |
| 18:46 | <sidd> | so a straight answer'd be somewhat appreciated |
| 18:46 | <Ovron> | RTFriendlyM? |
| 18:46 | <sidd> | already did |
| 18:46 | <sidd> | let me go stuff my face into it again |
| 18:46 | <spkitty> | sftp |
| 18:46 | <bob2> | you can just copy the files |
| 18:46 | <sidd> | thats all i needed to know |
| 18:46 | <sidd> | thanks |
| 18:46 | <HoopyCat> | Ovron: and with regards encryption: use encryption whenever possible, not just when required |
| 18:46 | <bob2> | with sftp or scp or by downloading the tarball on your server |
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| 18:47 | <bob2> | unpack to wp-content/themes/ iirc |
| 18:47 | <sidd> | yep |
| 18:47 | <sidd> | thanks |
| 18:47 | <bob2> | (sorry for misreading your question) |
| 18:47 | <sidd> | np |
| 18:47 | <Ovron> | HoopyCat: Yeap. It is very difficult though. I (almost) always sign my emails, even when the email is not sensitive, and not only once have I received a reply that my email was foobar. |
| 18:48 | <Ovron> | HoopyCat: Last time was from my ISP's support dept, which made me chuckle. |
| 18:48 | <HoopyCat> | Ovron: this very line i am typing is encrypted all the way to the netherlands, excepting the processing that occurs within my linode's brain |
| 18:49 | <Ovron> | HoopyCat: I havn't set up irssi to use client certs for oftc yet, perhaps I should. ^^ |
| 18:49 | <HoopyCat> | Ovron: it's worth the price |
| 18:49 | <HoopyCat> | afk, food |
| 18:49 | <Ovron> | I should also restart irssi. Didn't started screen with -U and certain things are garbled. *shakes fist* |
| 18:50 | <Ovron> | s/started/start |
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| 18:52 | <Talman> | What is an "arsebandit?" |
| 18:53 | <arsebandit> | just a nickname )) |
| 18:53 | <arsebandit> | nothing personal |
| 18:54 | <straterra> | It's also a term used for homosexuals |
| 18:54 | <straterra> | At least, where I come from it is. |
| 18:54 | <HoopyCat> | not that there's anything wrong with that |
| 18:54 | <straterra> | Right |
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| 18:55 | <arsebandit> | strattera you right, but it does refer to me )) |
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| 18:56 | <HoopyCat> | that said, "arse" is particularly british, and i think over there, they use "cigarettes" |
| 18:56 | <straterra> | heh |
| 18:56 | <straterra> | I see what you did there |
| 18:57 | <straterra> | and god help me..I'm installed the iOS SDK to write an iphone app :/ |
| 18:58 | <bob2> | help is beyond even god now |
| 18:58 | <Ovron> | Turtleneck army will be at your door shortly. |
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| 19:06 | <Ovron> | Sweet. |
| 19:08 | -!- | GLaDOSDan [~GLaDOSDan@host86-134-242-82.range86-134.btcentralplus.com] has joined #linode |
| 19:08 | <GLaDOSDan> | Hey |
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| 19:09 | <GLaDOSDan> | And ops around? |
| 19:10 | <GLaDOSDan> | any* |
| 19:10 | <@jed> | GLaDOSDan: how can I be of service |
| 19:11 | <GLaDOSDan> | I was just reading around, and I read a forum post from 2008 which quoted caker saying a more affordable storage was on it's way |
| 19:11 | <GLaDOSDan> | Any news on that? |
| 19:11 | <GLaDOSDan> | I don't currently have a Linode myself (though I've used several before), just wondering what the current GB/Month prices are |
| 19:12 | <chrisA> | (linode.com) |
| 19:12 | <GLaDOSDan> | The prices are there? :o |
| 19:12 | <cats> | Yup |
| 19:12 | <@jed> | what comes with the plan, and: |
| 19:12 | <@jed> | !extras |
| 19:12 | <linbot> | Available Add-ons: Disk: $ 2 per 1GB/month. RAM: $ 5 per 90MB/month. Transfer: $ 10 per 100GB/month. IP: $ 1 per IP/month. To add extras: https://www.linode.com/members/linode/extras.cfm |
| 19:12 | <Ovron> | HoopyCat: well, that took less time than expected... now what. *is bored* |
| 19:12 | <GLaDOSDan> | Ahhh |
| 19:12 | <GLaDOSDan> | Ah, that's better than $7/gb/m |
| 19:13 | <GLaDOSDan> | Thanks. |
| 19:13 | <@jed> | you're welcome :) |
| 19:15 | <Ovron> | Ah, now to haxx irssi to allow binding certain channels/windows to certain alt+key combos, even if there's less rooms. |
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| 19:16 | <bob2> | /bind blah /j -server oftc #linode |
| 19:17 | <Ovron> | Well, that was easier than expected, as well. Didn't know that /j an already joined channel brings it up instead. Thanks! |
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| 19:19 | <bob2> | ah, yeah, it is handy for when you forget where your windows are |
| 19:19 | <GLaDOSDan> | Oh, the other question I had was: What % is refunded if you refund within the 7 days of buying the node? |
| 19:20 | <bob2> | 100% |
| 19:20 | <GLaDOSDan> | Oh, awesome |
| 19:20 | <GLaDOSDan> | I thought it was like 90% or so, sweet |
| 19:20 | <bob2> | "7 day money back guarantee" |
| 19:20 | <GLaDOSDan> | Yeah, I just had something lodged in my head that it was 90% |
| 19:20 | <GLaDOSDan> | O_o |
| 19:21 | <@mikegrb> | mmm cake |
| 19:21 | <bob2> | the dollare bills might be worth only 90c after mikegrb gets cake all over them |
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| 19:22 | <GLaDOSDan> | Alright, thanks for the swift responses. |
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| 19:26 | <linbot> | New news from forums: Trying to do high availability in General Discussion <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=6152>; |
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| 19:36 | <akerl> | Ok, so I'm trying to setup a personal forward proxy in apache. I've got it running, locked down to my ip, using mod_proxy and proxy_connect to serve http and https. But I'd like all data between the proxy and my computer to be SSL, is there a way to use apache SSL on my proxy? |
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| 19:37 | <bob2> | this is a hard way to do it |
| 19:37 | <bob2> | ssh -D is a lot less work |
| 19:37 | <bob2> | but you can make this proxy vhost of yours use SSL (ie SSLEngine on) |
| 19:38 | <akerl> | The problem is that I'd like to be able to use it from work, and theres no ssh on those computers |
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| 19:38 | <akerl> | and I've tried using SSLEngine, but whenever I turn it on, the proxy won't load anything |
| 19:38 | <bob2> | I don't know if any of the above will work with https |
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| 19:41 | <akerl> | http://p.linode.com/4306 My config and the error in firefox. |
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| 19:42 | <bob2> | no need for servername |
| 19:42 | <bob2> | and you need to tell firefox it is a https proxy |
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| 19:43 | <akerl> | The only way I can see to do that is to enter it as an SSL proxy. Which works fine without the SSLEngine line, but breaks as soon as I turn it on |
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| 19:48 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 19:48 | <encode> | wouldn't it be easier to just download putty/plink? (assuming windows) |
| 19:49 | <encode> | ericoc: humour fail |
| 19:49 | <@ericoc> | encode: awww |
| 19:49 | <@ericoc> | encode: i'm sorry :p had a long day |
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| 19:50 | <akerl> | it would be. and it looks like that's what'll end up happening. i was just hoping for an alternative other than downloading software. but an hour of fiddling and googling hasnt turned up much |
| 19:51 | <Ovron> | putty and all other accompanying programs don't even require install, so they are just nice. I've dropped them into my windows directory, and they just sit there happily. |
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| 19:59 | <marius> | Heh |
| 19:59 | <marius> | so I'm running at 108% cpu usage |
| 19:59 | <marius> | non stop between 100-110 isn't good... |
| 19:59 | <marius> | I blame it on minecraft being java! |
| 19:59 | <HoopyCat> | PROTIP: All of your system's software was produced by spasming sacks of warm, damp meat. If it even compiles, it's a miracle of cosmic proportions. |
| 19:59 | <dominikh> | I was about to say "sounds about right for minecraft" |
| 20:00 | <CompWizdr> | marius: drop out of warp.. FTL processing is hard on the cpu! |
| 20:00 | <@mikegrb> | lulz |
| 20:00 | <hobot> | lol |
| 20:00 | <marius> | CompWizdr: what? |
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| 20:00 | <hobot> | faster than light |
| 20:01 | <CompWizrd> | oh yeah, of all the things wrong with my statement, we get hung up on the FTL part? :P |
| 20:03 | <encode> | marius: it would be better to blame it on minecraft being in alpha and not even feature complete yet |
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| 20:04 | <cream_cheese_money> | hey guys can anyone here help me with GMAIL MX records? |
| 20:04 | <marius> | encode: it would, except it's been in alpha quite a while xD |
| 20:04 | <Talman> | ALPHA IS THE NEW BETA |
| 20:04 | <encode> | the guy has been developing it single handedly |
| 20:04 | <marius> | It eats ram and cpu like a hungry hungry hippo |
| 20:04 | <encode> | it's not unexpected |
| 20:04 | <marius> | he could ahve made it in C ! |
| 20:04 | <encode> | yeah |
| 20:04 | <CompWizrd> | QuickBasic! |
| 20:05 | <encode> | if he did that, it probably wouldn't even have a gui yet |
| 20:05 | <encode> | but at least it would run fast |
| 20:05 | <cream_cheese_money> | im adding google MX records to let gmail run on my domain, and I add MX records but gmail's telling me their incorrect |
| 20:06 | <cream_cheese_money> | for example, one MX record is: |
| 20:06 | <cream_cheese_money> | Hostname: ASPMX.L.GOOGLE.COM |
| 20:06 | <encode> | marius: I think he has the priorities fairly right. Get people hooked, complete the gameplay, then optimise for a wider range of hardware |
| 20:06 | <cream_cheese_money> | Priority: 10 |
| 20:06 | <cream_cheese_money> | Subdomain: (null) |
| 20:06 | <cream_cheese_money> | TTL: default |
| 20:06 | <cream_cheese_money> | Google says to put a "." period after the hostname but Linode won't allow me to |
| 20:06 | <marius> | encode: sure, except right now it's at "get people hooked. Spend months in business meetings without updates" :P |
| 20:06 | <Ovron> | You don't have to, it is done for you in the zone file cream_cheese_money. |
| 20:07 | <marius> | He also needs to find a more stable and reliale hsot for miencraft.net |
| 20:07 | <marius> | because it's down like once or twice a week |
| 20:07 | <Ovron> | It is apparently under attack, or was so, earlier today. |
| 20:07 | <cream_cheese_money> | that guy who made minecraft banks like $300k a day |
| 20:07 | <marius> | and there's no way I'm chucking my server into insecure mode to get on it, that's just stupid |
| 20:07 | <marius> | cream_cheese_money: something liek that |
| 20:07 | <marius> | he made 17m euros in the first month |
| 20:07 | <HoopyCat> | cream_cheese_money: i believe the dot is added automatically |
| 20:08 | <cream_cheese_money> | HoopyCat: yeah you're right, i checked zonefile it is added by default |
| 20:08 | <bob2> | cream_cheese_money: what's the domain? linode's dns thing adds the dot magically if it looks like a fqdn |
| 20:08 | <HoopyCat> | cream_cheese_money: http://library.linode.com/email/google-mail/ has photographs and loose prose |
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| 20:10 | <marius> | It's jus awesome how it's using so much CPU just merely running the server, nobody is on it playing since...well, since minecraft.nt is down and nobody can login |
| 20:10 | <cream_cheese_money> | Garry's Mod |
| 20:10 | <cream_cheese_money> | rube goldberg |
| 20:10 | <HoopyCat> | (afk, returning grind to nosestone) |
| 20:10 | <Ovron> | The game requires you to login to his service, while playing on your own servers? |
| 20:10 | <cream_cheese_money> | anyone play Halo Reach here? |
| 20:10 | <Talman> | No. |
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| 20:11 | <Talman> | I don't even put my ID in. |
| 20:11 | <marius> | Ovron: It requires you to login through his site to authenticate |
| 20:11 | <Talman> | I just let it fail and roll "Play offline." |
| 20:11 | <marius> | Talman: yeah, but can't get on my server that way :P |
| 20:12 | <Talman> | Oh. |
| 20:12 | <marius> | unless I chuck it into insecure mode, but then anyone can get on it if they want, which is begging for griefers |
| 20:12 | <Talman> | I have an editor, and through experimentantion I learned that obsidian can contain an explosion. |
| 20:12 | <marius> | and anyone could claim any username, meaning admin etc could be used by others |
| 20:12 | <marius> | it can? |
| 20:12 | <Talman> | Yep. |
| 20:13 | <Talman> | I put down a layer of obsidian. |
| 20:13 | <Talman> | Put a 2x wall around the floor which was 1x deep. |
| 20:13 | <Talman> | Ran redstone dust as a fuse, threw the switch, and ran like a mofo. |
| 20:13 | <marius> | single block of tnt? |
| 20:13 | <Talman> | Obsidian was still there when I watched the nuke. |
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| 20:14 | <Talman> | Hehe, no. 6x6x1 block. |
| 20:14 | <marius> | oooh, nice |
| 20:14 | <cream_cheese_money> | g33ks^^^^^^^^ |
| 20:14 | <Talman> | I was testing how to make autodestruct systems for my sky tower. |
| 20:14 | <marius> | But what do I do with this cpu thing, I mean, lookign at the actual nodei t says only 6.1% is in use |
| 20:14 | <linbot> | New news from forums: basic problem with Apache virtual host in Web Servers and Web App Development <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=6130>; |
| 20:14 | <Talman> | THE ENEMY IS ON THE THIRD FLOOR. INITIATE AUTO DESTRUCT. |
| 20:15 | <marius> | the awesome bit is yo ucan use redstone as "exterior design" if you do it right so it looks like a cool pattern of red |
| 20:15 | <Talman> | Heh yeah. |
| 20:15 | <Talman> | You can use 2x stair bricks for tile floors. |
| 20:15 | <marius> | Cpu(s): 14.1%us, 0.0%sy, 0.0%ni, 85.9%id, 0.0%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.0%si, 0.0%st |
| 20:15 | <marius> | top - 00:15:36 up 23:57, 1 user, load average: 1.00, 1.00, 1.00 |
| 20:15 | <marius> | top - 00:15:36 up 23:57, 1 user, load average: 1.00, 1.00, 1.00 |
| 20:15 | <cream_cheese_money> | stop spamming geek talk marius |
| 20:15 | <marius> | whoops, didn'tm ean to paste that twice |
| 20:15 | <cream_cheese_money> | we don't like your kind |
| 20:16 | <cream_cheese_money> | marius: j/k ... but seriously go back to making DOC -> HTML -> PDF converters |
| 20:16 | <marius> | notch needs toa dd support for placing stuff upside down |
| 20:16 | <marius> | like redstone on the roof, lanterns in the roof |
| 20:16 | <Ovron> | DID SOMEONE SAY PDF CONVERTERS |
| 20:16 | * | Ovron rips hair out |
| 20:16 | <marius> | Ovron: been there... |
| 20:16 | <Talman> | Hmm. |
| 20:16 | * | cream_cheese_money lights hair on fire.... oh that smels |
| 20:16 | <marius> | try .docx interpriters... |
| 20:17 | <Talman> | I have one normal save and one hacked save. |
| 20:17 | <marius> | wow, 2am |
| 20:17 | <Talman> | You know, enough blocks to create a sky tower that shall pierce the heavens. |
| 20:17 | <Ovron> | I am now using Apache FOP for PDF generation from articles. Works fine, just wish it could handle floating containers, that text could wrap around. |
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| 20:18 | <marius> | I use FPDF for generatign PDF's |
| 20:18 | <marius> | it's quite good |
| 20:18 | <cream_cheese_money> | i use your mom, she loads up each doc and then saves/export as PDF |
| 20:18 | <marius> | Talman: hacked save for skytower due to z-limits ? |
| 20:19 | <Talman> | No, haven't done that yet. |
| 20:19 | <linbot> | New news from forums: Virtual Hosting Issues in Web Servers and Web App Development <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=6153>; |
| 20:20 | <Talman> | Mainly just getting a bunch of blocks via save game editor so that there's not a pit straight to hell next to the site. |
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| 20:20 | <Talman> | "Site B," where the TNT testing was conducted, though, looks like someone's been bombing the place. |
| 20:20 | <Ovron> | heh, funny that post. He blanked out his IP address, but provided the domain. |
| 20:20 | <BarkerJr> | jed: it's a real pain to --without everything in apache |
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| 20:21 | <Talman> | Its his domain registrar. |
| 20:21 | <Talman> | http://skyportgames.com/php/index.php |
| 20:21 | <Talman> | Here's what I see. |
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| 20:22 | <BarkerJr> | how do you disable proxy_connect_module in ./configure ? |
| 20:22 | <Ovron> | tried ./configure help? :> |
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| 20:23 | <BarkerJr> | yes, it only has --enable-proxy-connect |
| 20:23 | * | Talman wants to know what words google will filter out of a domain. http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=6148&highlight= |
| 20:23 | <Talman> | google apps won't take his domain. |
| 20:23 | <BarkerJr> | I wonder as well |
| 20:26 | <marius> | I think it's the "my" part of mydomain |
| 20:26 | <marius> | :P |
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| 20:38 | <blognewb> | Hey guys any linode wordpress enthusiasts? what is the best practice followed when you want to change the front page of the site similar to this site: http://www.textureking.com/ |
| 20:39 | <marius> | make your own style for it .3 |
| 20:40 | <sirpengi> | ask them nicely for their theme source codes |
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| 20:47 | <Talman> | Create the front page in PHP, and load the wordpress category view in? |
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| 20:47 | <Talman> | That's what I used to do before I used Joomla. Create each page in HTML/pHP and then use wp calls to load news and stuff. |
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| 20:54 | <marius> | you basically jsut write the page, and for everything you know wordpress has, throw in __WORDPRESS_WHATEVER or something, I'm not sure what clals wordpress uses |
| 20:55 | <sirpengi> | no, I'm pretty sure it's __WORDPRESS_WHATEVER |
| 20:55 | <sirpengi> | their api is clean and concise like that |
| 20:56 | <spkitty> | all you need to know about wordpress is THE LOOP |
| 20:56 | <spkitty> | oh wait, front page ... that doesn't even matter then |
| 20:57 | <marius> | yeah, I love me some wordpress |
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| 21:04 | <marius> | cops can be stupid |
| 21:04 | <marius> | sptraying soem guys back head with pepper spray is NOT the way to put him down |
| 21:04 | <dominikh> | yummy, head with salt and pepper |
| 21:04 | <dominikh> | maybe the cop was a zombie |
| 21:04 | <marius> | maybe |
| 21:04 | <marius> | cops is a fun show |
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| 21:06 | <Ovron> | now thats a long hostname |
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| 21:15 | <marius> | OMG |
| 21:16 | <marius> | Diagnosis Murder on tv! :D |
| 21:16 | <tjfontaine> | WIN |
| 21:16 | <Ovron> | Monk > that |
| 21:16 | <tjfontaine> | D. Van D. FTW |
| 21:16 | <marius> | yes! |
| 21:18 | <marius> | omg, Iv'e never seen this episode |
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| 21:20 | <marius> | I'm tempted to compile his thing, but make it go to another website, open a browser page and display the users username and 1st adn last char of their apssword to show how stupid they are to use it :P |
| 21:20 | <jtc> | Hello, I am on ubuntu. What's the command to see how long apache has been up? or when's the last time it restarted? |
| 21:20 | <marius> | wrong channel for me, haha |
| 21:20 | <marius> | ps aux | grep apache |
| 21:20 | <marius> | jtc ^ |
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| 21:21 | <jtc> | it gave a long list |
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| 21:21 | <jtc> | what do i look for? |
| 21:21 | <jtc> | there's one column that says 01:20 |
| 21:22 | <jtc> | that's the time it was started? |
| 21:22 | <marius> | to the far right |
| 21:22 | <marius> | before "apache" |
| 21:22 | <marius> | there's a time and a date |
| 21:23 | <jtc> | www-data 8816 1.0 0.4 64728 7572 ? S 01:20 0:00 /usr/sbin/apach e2 -k start |
| 21:23 | <icez> | 1:20 UTC |
| 21:24 | <jtc> | ok |
| 21:24 | <Ovron> | you probably want to look at the process running as root |
| 21:24 | <Ovron> | and not the workers |
| 21:25 | <jtc> | ic ok |
| 21:25 | <jtc> | is there a way to set the time when the log rotates? |
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| 21:25 | <jtc> | and does apache need to be restarted for the log file to rotate? |
| 21:26 | <icez> | jtc, /etc/logrotate.conf |
| 21:26 | <jtc> | let me take a look |
| 21:26 | <tharkun> | jtc: man logrotate |
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| 21:29 | <jtc> | ah ok found the answer. |
| 21:29 | <jtc> | tks guys! |
| 21:31 | <mdgrech> | need help auto updating site on svn commit. I have the following in repo/hooks/post-commit.tmpl http://pastie.org/1237069 |
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| 21:41 | <mwalling> | straterra: pingzors |
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| 21:46 | <mdgrech> | does anyone know of a good tutorial for auto updating my site when i commit using subversion? |
| 21:46 | <tjfontaine> | there are a couple ways, but you could use a post commit hook, though really I would suggest git over svn |
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| 21:47 | <tjfontaine> | with git you could keep a webserver local branch with webserver/release specific information |
| 21:47 | <tjfontaine> | so your source control will have staging database credentials stored, but your webserver could keep production |
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| 22:00 | <sirpengi> | mdgrech: you seem to be missing the shebang on top of that file. also, is it chmod'ed executable and also by whatever listens to svn commits? |
| 22:03 | <marius> | I've always wondered what "the shebang" means, it it the #! line? |
| 22:03 | <sirpengi> | yeah |
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| 22:06 | <marius> | :D |
| 22:06 | <Ovron> | also refered to as hasbang |
| 22:06 | <encode> | oh dear. Just watched engadget's video of the 11" MBA and I have an irrational desire for one |
| 22:06 | <Ovron> | hashbang* |
| 22:06 | <@Perihelion> | cillit bang |
| 22:06 | <Ovron> | AND BANG IT IS GONE |
| 22:07 | <@jed> | BarkerJr: I didn't --without, I used a2dismod |
| 22:09 | <tjfontaine> | encode: it's not irrational |
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| 22:09 | <encode> | tjfontaine: it is if I already have a netbook |
| 22:09 | <encode> | and a mortgage |
| 22:09 | <tjfontaine> | pfft |
| 22:09 | <@jed> | but it's a laptop |
| 22:09 | <encode> | and a MBP |
| 22:10 | <encode> | and ... ok, I'm out of excuses. <Clicks Buy> |
| 22:10 | <tjfontaine> | excellent |
| 22:10 | <encode> | tjfontaine: do you own apple stock? |
| 22:10 | <tjfontaine> | phy stock |
| 22:11 | <tjfontaine> | :) |
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| 22:11 | <encode> | phy stock? |
| 22:11 | <tjfontaine> | physical stock |
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| 22:12 | <encode> | as in apple products? |
| 22:12 | <tjfontaine> | indeed |
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| 22:16 | <christopherbull> | hey guys, is someone able to help me with an AWstats htaccess problem? |
| 22:17 | <Ovron> | just ask |
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| 22:18 | <sirpengi> | !ask |
| 22:18 | <linbot> | If you have a question, please just ask it. Don't look for topic experts. Don't ask to ask. Don't PM! Don't ask if people are awake, or in the mood to help. Just ask the question straight out. |
| 22:19 | <christopherbull> | I have AWStats setup for my domain but the traffic isn't getting through because the framework i'm using (SilverStripe) has a master .htaccess file that sends everythign to its manifest so i'm wanting to know what the rewrite setting for a .htaccess file would be in order to make an execption to make an exclusions for domain/ask_statz |
| 22:19 | <christopherbull> | sorry about before btw |
| 22:20 | <christopherbull> | RewriteRule ^ask_statz$ /usr/lib/cgi-bin/awstats.pl [L] - i've tried this, but i'm not sure what the second argumet for AWstats shoudl be |
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| 22:21 | <bob2> | 'RewriteCond %{REQUEST_URI} !^/awstats/' will exclude it |
| 22:22 | <bob2> | assuming you mapped /awstats in to your virtualhost |
| 22:22 | <christopherbull> | yeah done that |
| 22:22 | <christopherbull> | ok i'll try |
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| 22:26 | <christopherbull> | that didn't seem to work |
| 22:26 | <christopherbull> | 'RewriteRule .* sapphire/main.php?url=%1&%{QUERY_STRING} [L]' this is the final rule in the file if that helps |
| 22:27 | <sirpengi> | might be easier to pastebin the whole .htaccess, or at least all the rewrite rules in there |
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| 22:29 | <christopherbull> | sure http://pastebin.com/9XA2JjU4 |
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| 22:31 | <sirpengi> | I keep forgetting whether you need the leading / in the path |
| 22:31 | <sirpengi> | I think you do... |
| 22:31 | <Ovron> | I think so too. |
| 22:31 | <christopherbull> | oh i took that out to check |
| 22:31 | <christopherbull> | it didn't work with it there either |
| 22:31 | <sirpengi> | so should be !^/ask_statz |
| 22:32 | <sirpengi> | I guess the other thing is, what does the virtualhost definition in apache look like? |
| 22:34 | <christopherbull> | http://pastebin.com/aGwBUPf7 virtual host def |
| 22:35 | <sirpengi> | the awstats install doc has you putting Aliases to the awstats cgi-bin(an other) directories |
| 22:35 | <sirpengi> | where are those? |
| 22:36 | <christopherbull> | the custom config or the virtual thing? |
| 22:36 | <sirpengi> | you just did a pastebin of the virtual host didn't you? |
| 22:37 | <sirpengi> | I dunno, wherever it is that you've mapped /ask_statz to the awstats binaries |
| 22:37 | <christopherbull> | yup this is it, from conf.d in /etc/apache2 |
| 22:37 | <christopherbull> | http://pastebin.com/gZ3UZzb8 |
| 22:39 | <sirpengi> | so it didn't work in that awstats didn't show up, or that it's still being rewritten to silverstripe? |
| 22:40 | <christopherbull> | still being rewritten to SS at the moment, showing a SS page not found |
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| 22:40 | <christopherbull> | http://www.askliljon.com/ask_statz |
| 22:41 | <Bhavicp> | Anyone ever setup a VPN on Windows server 2008 by any chance? I've managed to create it, and i can connct to it, but it seems to assign a private IP, which means i can't access the internet through it. |
| 22:41 | <sirpengi> | christopherbull: what's the current state of .htaccess? |
| 22:42 | <amitz> | hmmm google no longer allowed turning off google search? |
| 22:42 | <sirpengi> | christopherbull: http://www.askliljon.com/ask_statz/ (with trailing /) leads to Forbidden |
| 22:42 | <amitz> | I meant, location based google search? |
| 22:42 | <christopherbull> | ah |
| 22:42 | <christopherbull> | i had never tried that perhaps it is working |
| 22:42 | <christopherbull> | on awstats there is an .htaccess |
| 22:43 | <christopherbull> | with .htpasswd |
| 22:43 | <sirpengi> | well, you need a <Directory "/usr/lib/cgi-bin/"> directive with rules to allow access/script execution |
| 22:44 | <sirpengi> | I don't think the .htaccess by itself is enough |
| 22:44 | <christopherbull> | oh |
| 22:44 | <christopherbull> | where do i need that? |
| 22:44 | <christopherbull> | in the virtual host? |
| 22:45 | <sirpengi> | honestly I'm not certain |
| 22:45 | <sirpengi> | but I'd try in the virtual host first |
| 22:45 | <christopherbull> | ok will do |
| 22:46 | <christopherbull> | is the script alias not enough? |
| 22:46 | <christopherbull> | or should that be within the directory tag |
| 22:46 | <christopherbull> | ? |
| 22:46 | <sirpengi> | http://awstats.sourceforge.net/docs/awstats_setup.html |
| 22:46 | <sirpengi> | I'm getting my info from that first section |
| 22:48 | <christopherbull> | right |
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| 22:51 | <sirpengi> | darn git, never remember how to make a new remote repo |
| 22:51 | <sirpengi> | *remote branch that is |
| 22:54 | <sirpengi> | oh right, git push origin origin:refs/heads/new_feature_name |
| 22:54 | <sirpengi> | that was so obvious |
| 22:56 | <Ovron> | ;) |
| 22:57 | <Ovron> | hg <3 |
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| 23:01 | <Nivex> | http://lwn.net/Articles/391222/ |
| 23:01 | <Nivex> | OOM killer rewrite in 2.6.36 |
| 23:04 | <Ovron> | The kernel irc channel has to be the most unfriendly place on the planet. |
| 23:04 | <tjfontaine> | kernelnewbies? |
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| 23:04 | <avenj> | Ovron: I don't think it's in detroit |
| 23:05 | <avenj> | they'll have to settle for 2nd |
| 23:05 | <Ovron> | tjfontaine: Not sure which one it would be ;) That one sounds harmless though. |
| 23:05 | <Ovron> | avenj: harsh ;) |
| 23:05 | <tjfontaine> | Ovron: it's on the important network |
| 23:06 | <Ovron> | would that start with a free and end with a node? |
| 23:06 | <tjfontaine> | fuck no |
| 23:06 | <tjfontaine> | on this one. |
| 23:06 | <Ovron> | Interesting. |
| 23:07 | <Ovron> | Only 187 nicks, weak ;) |
| 23:07 | <avenj> | freenode is very important. who else would make oftc look awesome all the time? |
| 23:07 | <avenj> | :o |
| 23:07 | * | avenj looks around |
| 23:07 | * | avenj hides |
| 23:08 | <tjfontaine> | avenj: <3 |
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| 23:10 | <amitz> | does ipad have the capability to be an accesspoint by installing any app from apple market? <- I'm arguing in internet :-p |
| 23:10 | <Ovron> | I've only recently started to lurk on IRC; mostly been in game-related channels on quakenet before that. |
| 23:10 | <Ovron> | amitz: I know that there is one for the iphone which makes you able to tether via wifi, not sure about ipad. |
| 23:10 | <A-KO> | only recently? |
| 23:10 | <Ovron> | A-KO: yeap. |
| 23:10 | <A-KO> | I've lurked on IRC for about.... |
| 23:11 | <A-KO> | 14 years now |
| 23:11 | <A-KO> | I'm 26.... |
| 23:11 | <Ovron> | 23 here. |
| 23:11 | * | encode is -5326. And he's been in IRC channels for 10 million years |
| 23:12 | <@mikegrb> | lulz |
| 23:12 | <A-KO> | lol |
| 23:12 | <encode> | somewhere along the line $age must have overflowed |
| 23:12 | <A-KO> | no amitz, I don't think it does. AT&T is very anal about the whole tethering thing. |
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| 23:12 | <Ovron> | I should add, the app that does that, requires a jailbroken iphone - which kind of filters it out by your request :p |
| 23:12 | <A-KO> | yep |
| 23:14 | <Ovron> | Ah, modern browsers, how I love thee. 2.2 GB RAM used, 4 tabs open. |
| 23:14 | * | Ovron sets links2 as default browser |
| 23:14 | <A-KO> | eh |
| 23:14 | <A-KO> | as long as you've got the ram :P |
| 23:15 | <A-KO> | os: Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate - (6.1.7600) 64-bit up: 1hr 23mins 50secs cpu: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E6550 @ 2.33GHz at 2333MHz (56% Load) ram: 1886 / 8190MB (23.03%) [||--------] gfx: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 460 1GB hdd: Free Space: 709.86GB/2.8TB System Temp: SpeedFanC CPU Temp: SpeedFanC GPU Temp: SpeedFan |
| 23:15 | <Ovron> | On windows, it is bad. It starts trashing the swap, and firefox and chrome think all the ram is available to them for some reason. |
| 23:15 | <A-KO> | how little ram do you have? |
| 23:15 | <A-KO> | If you're on 4GB or less, you gotta upgrade son :P |
| 23:15 | <A-KO> | It's not like 4GB of ram costs a lot these days |
| 23:15 | <Ovron> | 24GB on my workstation. |
| 23:16 | <A-KO> | and you're having ram problems? |
| 23:16 | <Ovron> | But, that does not stop windows with swapping. |
| 23:16 | <A-KO> | Windows' swapping is often times for different reasons. What you should test is the Page Reads/sec counter. |
| 23:16 | <A-KO> | If that counter is off the charts |
| 23:16 | <A-KO> | you've got some issues |
| 23:16 | <Ovron> | No, not problems - it just annoys me. :D |
| 23:16 | <A-KO> | Page Reads/sec and Page Faults/sec combined. If both are high and steady, you've got issues. |
| 23:17 | <gilaniali> | is there a library article for configuring public key based access to your server |
| 23:17 | <Ovron> | There is. |
| 23:17 | <A-KO> | it's very easy gilaniali :) |
| 23:17 | <gilaniali> | Ovron: can I have the link? |
| 23:17 | <Ovron> | gilaniali: Perhaps! Give me a moment. |
| 23:17 | <A-KO> | Essentially, just turn it on in your sshd_config file, optionally disable password auth (preferably), and make sure in each user's home directory under .ssh there's an authorized_keys file with the public key of the user/device :P |
| 23:18 | <A-KO> | If you're on Windows, generate a public/private keypair with puttygen |
| 23:18 | <A-KO> | in authorized_keys, each key needs to be on its own line |
| 23:18 | <gilaniali> | A-KO: I am on Mac OS X |
| 23:19 | <A-KO> | should be able to use openssh to generate a public/private keypair :P |
| 23:19 | <A-KO> | or rather, openssl |
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| 23:19 | <gilaniali> | A-KO: where is the sshd_config file located |
| 23:19 | <A-KO> | usually /etc/openssh |
| 23:19 | <A-KO> | or /etc/ssh |
| 23:19 | <Ovron> | You know what, here, http://www.howtoforge.com/set-up-ssh-with-public-key-authentication-debian-etch |
| 23:19 | <gilaniali> | A-KO: I do have a public/private key in place, but it requires my pass |
| 23:19 | <Ovron> | The search on the library is mocking me |
| 23:19 | <gilaniali> | Ovron: it mocked me too |
| 23:19 | <A-KO> | If you use a public/private key pair and disable password auth, it's not an issue. You also might want to put a password on the private key file. |
| 23:20 | <Ovron> | http://library.linode.com/using-linux/security-basics/#lock_down_ssh |
| 23:21 | <Ovron> | Although the recommendation there to disable passwordauthentication before having tested the keys is a bit herp derp |
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| 23:23 | <gilaniali> | Ovron: both links say that i need to turn off PasswordAuth, and it will automatically switch to keybased login |
| 23:23 | <Ovron> | Yes, but test your keys before turning it off if this is your first time doing it. |
| 23:24 | <Ovron> | If you forget to chmod the authorized_keys file or the containing directory, sshd will whine in the log and not accept login based on it |
| 23:24 | <Ovron> | And then, if lish didn't exist, you would have been screwed a bit. With lish, it isn't a real problem, but still unnecessary ;) |
| 23:26 | <Ovron> | If I am incomprehendable at the moment, I am sorry. The volume of this lovely scotch bottle got drained more than intended. |
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| 23:27 | <gilaniali> | Ovron: how do I test the keys |
| 23:27 | <Ovron> | You try logging in with them, using your client on your local computer. |
| 23:27 | <gilaniali> | Ovron: and the command to chmod is : chmod +x authorized_keys? |
| 23:27 | <Ovron> | You want it chmod 600, and the directory 700. |
| 23:27 | <amitz> | A-KO: Ovron: ah, as I suspected. |
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| 23:28 | <Ovron> | amitz: Just like they (try to) block Skype and other VoIP applications to be used with their "unlimited" data plans. |
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| 23:31 | * | Ovron om nom noms some ardbeg |
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| 23:38 | <Ovron> | So, have you guys heard? |
| 23:39 | <opello> | heard what/ |
| 23:40 | <Ovron> | Oh, have you not heard? It was my understanding that everyone had heard. |
| 23:40 | <Ovron> | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WNrx2jq184 |
| 23:40 | <bob2> | the word/ |
| 23:40 | <opello> | bird? |
| 23:40 | <Ovron> | is the |
| 23:40 | <opello> | bird is the word. |
| 23:40 | <bob2> | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lF0WTMqc1k |
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| 23:48 | <amitz> | Ovron: ah. |
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| 23:55 | <amitz> | wohooo, long time haven't seen, RC bugs is no only 277! Debian squeeze |
| 23:56 | <Ovron> | Is there any estimate when squeeze is going release? |
| 23:56 | <amitz> | Ovron: estimate? debian gives estimate? heh |
| 23:57 | <Ovron> | They are trying to. They are introducing squeeze early, as a preparation for a two-year release cycle. |
| 23:57 | <amitz> | well, they were planning a 11/2 year periodic release but... |
| 23:57 | <amitz> | oh, not 11/2 year? |
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| 23:58 | <amitz> | umm.. fwiwi, plenty of update in the last 12 hours. |
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| 23:59 | <SelfishMan> | !urmom |
| 23:59 | <linbot> | SelfishMan: Yo momma's got so much feature creep, she supports regexps, themes, and Twitter. (772:6/0) [mmoru] |
| 23:59 | <Ovron> | amitz: I am on lenny, perhaps I should install a squeeze vm to check up on it, humm. |
| 23:59 | <Ovron> | !pi |
| 23:59 | <linbot> | Ovron: Point (0.3492315997, 0.1801247509) is within the circle. Running total: 2144/2695 (pi is about 3.1821892393) |
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