| --- | Log | opened Tue Feb 09 00:00:15 2010 |
| --- | Day | changed Tue Feb 09 2010 |
| 00:00 | <erikh> | this descends into the realm of idiocy as soon as someone scripts it |
| 00:00 | <bob2> | 2late |
| 00:00 | <erikh> | which I suspect will be happening shortly |
| 00:00 | <amitz> | nope. We already thought about that we secretly want to be as manliest as possible. |
| 00:01 | <amitz> | s/manlies/human-est/ |
| 00:01 | <amitz> | s/manliest/humanoid/ |
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| 00:08 | <amitz> | but I just realized the scripting can be a fun game. We must figure out things that matters. For example, result is based on official linode.log, so we must be as close as the server writing linode.log as possible. Then there is matter of searching the host (which should be trivial for linoders). Then influencing the chanlog host, for example rigging the clocking of the host. |
| 00:09 | <amitz> | or something more malicious like (D)DOS-ing enemies' script. |
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| 00:10 | <amitz> | people of greater resource may use gravity to distort time on chanlog host, or slow down enemy's script. |
| 00:12 | <amitz> | or perhaps flooding enemies with information on possible vector of attacks to take up their resources in dealing with those while keeping a key vector of attack having greater influence on final result. |
| 00:14 | <atula> | how do I make something autostart in debian again ? |
| 00:14 | <bob2> | write an init script |
| 00:14 | <bob2> | based on /etc/init.d/skeleton |
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| 00:15 | <wastrel> | update-rc.d |
| 00:16 | <atula> | wastrel: ? |
| 00:17 | <atula> | I am just trying to make shorewall start on startup |
| 00:17 | <wastrel> | update-rc.d is the command on debian for managing init scripts |
| 00:17 | <bob2> | shorewall starts on startup |
| 00:17 | <bob2> | so there's nothing to do |
| 00:17 | <bob2> | unless you forgot to edit /etc/shorewall/shorewall.conf |
| 00:17 | <atula> | I have STARTUP_ENABLED=Yes |
| 00:25 | <chesty> | atula: have a look in /etc/default |
| 00:25 | <chesty> | hmm, timeline lag |
| 00:26 | <chesty> | i think amitz has been messing with my gravity |
| 00:26 | <jtsage> | crap. dear linux power management: please work again. |
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| 00:29 | <atula> | chesty: that was the right file. thank you so much |
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| 00:36 | <Smark> | so i'm using munin-cgi-graph to generate graphs "just in time". Its been working fine for a few months, but suddenly the cgi script stopped working. As far as I know I did nothing to cause it. I don't recall doing anything on the server around the days that it stopped. Apache's error log shows that it times out when waiting for a cgi-bin to finish executing. |
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| 00:37 | <Smark> | It generates the first 6 image files, and then stops. |
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| 00:59 | <linbot> | New news from forums: Munin CGI Graphs Stopped Working in Linux, Apache, Mysql and PHP (LAMP) Forum <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5171>; |
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| 01:34 | <purrdeta> | Is it weird that I get excited when I drive by The Planet here in dallas? |
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| 01:37 | <Battousai> | extremely |
| 01:38 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 01:38 | <purrdeta> | lol |
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| 01:42 | <Ressa> | Hey are any of the mods on at the moment that can confirm of any server issues happening at the moment? |
| 01:44 | <wastrel> | Ressa: the last thing on the status page was marked resolved a couple hours ago http://status.linode.com |
| 01:44 | <wastrel> | i'm not a mod tho |
| 01:46 | <Ressa> | I see.. I cant boot my server and site back up... Supposely jumped time but we cant get into the console or SSH into it to see what the problem is :( |
| 01:46 | <Peng> | wastrel: Small-scale things are covered with email, though, not that website. |
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| 01:49 | <wastrel> | Peng: oic. |
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| 01:51 | <Ressa> | Stupid question.. maybe one of you guys can answer.. How can I find out what location my server is in where I can send a support ticket in.. I run a Crime site for Missing childrean and Adults I cant survice downtime :S |
| 01:51 | <Ressa> | survive* |
| 01:52 | <SelfishMan> | then you need multiple servers in multiple datacenters |
| 01:52 | <SelfishMan> | to answer your question, it shows in the list of linodes where it is and also on the right side of the dashboard for that specific linode |
| 01:52 | <Ressa> | SelfishMan Agree totally We have two now.. but our main site is on the linode one.. first time Ive been down in 3 years ;/ |
| 01:52 | <SelfishMan> | what DC are you in? What is the domain name? |
| 01:53 | <bob2> | right, but to do high availability you need to do more than just have two linodes |
| 01:54 | <wastrel> | you can see where your linode is and submit a ticket by logging into your account on the linode web site |
| 01:55 | <Ressa> | Thanks guys. |
| 01:56 | <SelfishMan> | !ipinfo crimeseekers.net |
| 01:56 | <linbot> | SelfishMan: IP: 69.164.197.21; rDNS: li112-21.members.linode.com; ASN adv net: 69.164.192.0/20; ASN: AS21844; ASN owner: ThePlanet.com Internet Services, Inc.; ASN reg: 2001-06-29; City: Absecon; State: New Jersey; Postal code: 08201; Country: US; Latitude: 39.4209; Longitude: -74.4977; UTC offset: -5; Area code: 609; Domains: 1; http://revip.info/lookup/69.164.197.21 |
| 01:56 | <SelfishMan> | That would be the newark DC |
| 01:57 | <SelfishMan> | and it isn't a linode problem |
| 01:57 | <SelfishMan> | it is a problem inside that linode |
| 01:57 | <SelfishMan> | the web server is just not returning any data but it accepts connections |
| 01:58 | <reillyeon> | SelfishMan: The Planet is in Dallas... |
| 01:58 | <SelfishMan> | oh crap, I just saw the NJ part |
| 01:59 | <MJCS> | @download |
| 01:59 | <MJCS> | !download |
| 01:59 | <linbot> | http://www.linode.com/speedtest |
| 01:59 | <SelfishMan> | I'm tired and sleep deprived. I also have multiple IPs in that /24 |
| 01:59 | <Ressa> | SelfishMan pm for a moment? |
| 01:59 | <SelfishMan> | why? |
| 02:00 | <Ressa> | nvm Ill just wait on support to reply -.- |
| 02:01 | <SelfishMan> | OK, but it isn't an issue for linode support, it's an issue for whoever runs the server |
| 02:01 | <@array> | hi Ressa, no support tickets have come through -- did you shoot us an e-mail instead? |
| 02:01 | <Ressa> | Just fixing to send it array. |
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| 02:02 | <@array> | Ressa: no problem, i've located the issue (you'll need take a gander at the Lish console to get an idea of whats happened [Console -> Launch Console]) |
| 02:04 | <Ressa> | Thanks Array, Im calling tech now. Thanks for responding. |
| 02:04 | * | SelfishMan puts money on OOM killer having fun |
| 02:04 | <@array> | anytime :) |
| 02:08 | <amitz> | Ressa: but don't let the downtime extended too much ;-) |
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| 02:15 | <amitz> | chesty: I'm messing with urmom but she is so big that gravity is changed. |
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| 02:28 | <amitz> | I hate current processor naming. They constantly change that I have to lelearn everything. |
| 02:29 | <erikh> | i don't even bother anymoe |
| 02:29 | <erikh> | "does it have a lot of L2? how many cores? what's the Ghz?" |
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| 02:30 | <MetaCosm> | amitz, the naming almost has no meaning at all anymore, just look for decent benchmarks and learn to love ars :) |
| 02:30 | <amitz> | which are new things compared to say 5 years ago? can't remember. |
| 02:30 | <amitz> | ah, yeah. the lovely arstehnica. :-) |
| 02:31 | <erikh> | nothing's changed much |
| 02:31 | <MetaCosm> | the Ghz is going down these days, as cores go up, instructions per clock cycle vary radically, bus speed and cache-miss rates vary wildly. |
| 02:31 | <erikh> | intel still wins on power consumption and amd still wins on price |
| 02:31 | <amitz> | erikh: still overheat problem with amd? |
| 02:31 | <MetaCosm> | erikh, umm, AMD wins on mid range price, is loosing on the bookends. |
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| 02:31 | <MetaCosm> | intel is a better value at the top and the bottom |
| 02:31 | <prataprc> | hi |
| 02:32 | <erikh> | MetaCosm: no argument about value |
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| 02:32 | <erikh> | I was talking about price |
| 02:32 | <amitz> | MetaCosm: interesting about cache-miss rate. So there are processors with better hit rate? damn. |
| 02:32 | <MetaCosm> | amitz, very much so. |
| 02:32 | <erikh> | shared L2 amongst cores on most chips |
| 02:32 | <erikh> | so 4MB of L2 might seem like a lot, but on 4 cores... you get the idea |
| 02:33 | <MetaCosm> | amitz, the more the chip tries to project (guess) and stuff the pipe... the worse mistakes are ... so that # of mistakes matter |
| 02:34 | <amitz> | last time I remember, some processors are more aggresive in guessing and the others, and the results varied. Confusing stuff, heh. |
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| 02:34 | <prataprc> | We are using linode1080, Looks like IO access is slowing down the applications response time. For eg, one of our form submission takes about 5-20 seconds on the server, while emulating the same submission on a local machine takes 1 second. Is this expected ? |
| 02:34 | <MetaCosm> | yeah, the P4 (prescott I think) switched it up in a big way... 20 to 48 |
| 02:34 | <MetaCosm> | gave ... mixed results. |
| 02:35 | <bob2> | prataprc: is io the problem? |
| 02:35 | <MetaCosm> | prataprc, benchmark the io? |
| 02:35 | <prataprc> | any pointer to benchmark the IO. havnt done before. |
| 02:35 | <bob2> | top, for a start |
| 02:35 | <erikh> | iotop can help |
| 02:35 | <amitz> | bottom usually the last :-p |
| 02:35 | <erikh> | it's available of debuntu systems |
| 02:36 | <erikh> | also, iostat. |
| 02:36 | <amitz> | ^^ joking. |
| 02:36 | <bob2> | (as long as you're not running 2.6.18) |
| 02:36 | <erikh> | which is a part of the sysstat package I think. |
| 02:36 | <MetaCosm> | prataprc, and just compare it between your dev and prod env's -- if it varies a lot, that might be it, if it is the same or better on your server, look elsewhere. |
| 02:37 | <bob2> | if /what/ varies |
| 02:37 | <prataprc> | will try that now. |
| 02:38 | <amitz> | they still use the term "Turbo Boost", heh. |
| 02:38 | <MetaCosm> | bob2, read, write, re-read, re-write, read backwards, read strided, fread, fwrite, random read, pread ,mmap, aio_read, aio_write (choose the ones that apply) |
| 02:38 | <MetaCosm> | amitz, but, it has new meaning as I understand it |
| 02:38 | <MetaCosm> | it went out of fashion from the 33 dx days until recently |
| 02:38 | <bob2> | lordy |
| 02:38 | <erikh> | i/o will always suffer on a linode compared to a local machine |
| 02:39 | <MetaCosm> | erikh, sure, then it is a question of how much, and if his application is dependant on it, what to do about it. |
| 02:39 | <bob2> | so, run top and see what your iowait is like, then run iotop to see what is causing it |
| 02:39 | <erikh> | right. |
| 02:39 | <bob2> | then, fix your monitoring system so it notices this and alerts you in advance |
| 02:39 | <erikh> | it could be your mail server for all you know. |
| 02:40 | <MetaCosm> | erikh, but, the I/O hasn't seemed terrible from the reviews (and my minimal local experience thus far) |
| 02:40 | <erikh> | MetaCosm: delete something big |
| 02:40 | <erikh> | you'll feel it. |
| 02:40 | <erikh> | it makes sense when you realize how many people want to move that needle at once |
| 02:41 | <erikh> | or create something big |
| 02:41 | <erikh> | a couple gigs of /dev/zero will do it |
| 02:41 | <MetaCosm> | I will be doing that in the morning. |
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| 02:41 | <amitz> | MetaCosm: it seems. Still looking at bigger picture first. |
| 02:41 | <MetaCosm> | for tests. |
| 02:41 | <MetaCosm> | but, it will be random not zero |
| 02:42 | <erikh> | why, to throttle your write based on how quickly you can generate entropy? |
| 02:42 | <erikh> | that's not a pure i/o test |
| 02:42 | <erikh> | not that it probably matters much; but an important distinction |
| 02:42 | <MetaCosm> | erikh, I am not doing it for testing, I need a randomly generated file block |
| 02:42 | <erikh> | ah. |
| 02:43 | <MetaCosm> | mainly for network testing :) |
| 02:43 | <erikh> | !speedtest |
| 02:43 | <linbot> | http://www.linode.com/speedtest |
| 02:43 | <erikh> | you're welcome :) |
| 02:43 | <MetaCosm> | sadly, not exactly what we need |
| 02:43 | <MetaCosm> | this is for a home-grown vid-conf bit |
| 02:43 | <MetaCosm> | but, nice to have in general. |
| 02:44 | <MetaCosm> | latency and routing is a big part of what I will be playing with tomorrow |
| 02:44 | <MetaCosm> | Also, as for the I/O bits, I thought Xen did a good job of handling the scheduling issues with I/O heavy users. |
| 02:45 | <erikh> | it does until you need that needle for an extended period of time |
| 02:45 | <erikh> | just like any other disk |
| 02:45 | <erikh> | but like I said, a lot more people want that needle a lot more frequently |
| 02:46 | <MetaCosm> | yeah, but, on a delete, I am surprised the performance is poor (going to play with it soon) -- sorta disappointing |
| 02:46 | <bob2> | 1000 users |
| 02:46 | <bob2> | one disk |
| 02:46 | <bob2> | crunch those numbers |
| 02:46 | <erikh> | heh. |
| 02:46 | <MetaCosm> | bob2, 1000? I thougth they maxed out at 40? |
| 02:46 | <bob2> | :| |
| 02:46 | <erikh> | right, all running databases and mail servers |
| 02:47 | <erikh> | 1000 "users" is probably being generous |
| 02:47 | <erikh> | anyhow |
| 02:47 | <erikh> | want an example? run a (legal, of course) bittorrent peer on your server |
| 02:47 | <MetaCosm> | yeah, but, most of those should be small reads/writes, allowing heavy batching, caching and faking |
| 02:47 | <erikh> | you'll feel it once you hit your upload cap |
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| 02:48 | <erikh> | right, and seek is more destructive performance-wise than linear work |
| 02:49 | <erikh> | which is why the preferred method of building a mail server used to be to put the disks that hold the spools on their own controller and their own disks |
| 02:49 | <MetaCosm> | hmph, I will have to read up on Xen a bit more... I was under the assumption that like many VM products, they has some solutions in place for many of these crunch points. |
| 02:50 | <bob2> | sure |
| 02:50 | <erikh> | they do |
| 02:50 | <bob2> | but ultimately, you have lots of people |
| 02:50 | <bob2> | and not a lot of disks |
| 02:50 | <erikh> | you're probably just not aware of what it used to be like before things like paravirt and vt-x arrived |
| 02:50 | <erikh> | disk was the least of your problems. |
| 02:50 | <erikh> | now it's just back to what a typical machine suffers with |
| 02:50 | <erikh> | which is.. disk i/o |
| 02:50 | <erikh> | vm or physical. |
| 02:51 | <MetaCosm> | erikh, my only major production experience comes from VMWare ESX |
| 02:51 | <erikh> | anyhow, I started rambling like 2.5 hours ago and haven't stopped... way past my bedtime. |
| 02:51 | <erikh> | MetaCosm: blades? san? |
| 02:51 | <erikh> | Xen/ESX isn't your problem |
| 02:52 | <erikh> | they aren't a silver bullet either. |
| 02:52 | <amitz> | erikh: uh.. you're sleeping at the moment. This is your dream. |
| 02:52 | <MetaCosm> | erikh, fairly standard Dell 900 builds |
| 02:52 | <erikh> | amitz: strangely, I wouldn't be surprised |
| 02:52 | <erikh> | MetaCosm: right, and how many machines could you put into a simulateneous iowait state before everything would start slowing down? |
| 02:53 | <amitz> | erikh: I kind of understand. Sometimes my dream can be feel very real and uneventful. |
| 02:53 | <erikh> | mostly I just am dead to the world until a phone rings or my wife hands me breakfast as an early morning peace offering |
| 02:54 | <erikh> | I don't dream much to be honest |
| 02:54 | <erikh> | probably because I leave the damn idiot box on when I'm sleeping |
| 02:54 | <erikh> | anyhow; night. |
| 02:54 | <purrdeta> | I dreamed the other night that I was on the radio and everything in the studio started breaking... and someone put in a CD with the word "fuck" on loop... and I couldnt turn off the transmitter. |
| 02:54 | <purrdeta> | I am unsure why this happened but it bothered me greatly. then I woke up |
| 02:54 | <amitz> | night erikh |
| 02:55 | <amitz> | purrdeta: and you're glad ;-) |
| 02:55 | <purrdeta> | I was very glad that I woke up. That would be terrible thing to happen to me |
| 02:55 | <MetaCosm> | erikh, since we controlled the entire box, we mainly monitored the combined status (real I/O status, not instance I/O status) |
| 02:56 | <MetaCosm> | I am going to sleep too! |
| 02:56 | <amitz> | MetaCosm: may you sleep a ...hmm.. dreamless sleep? <-- don't know if it's good or bad. |
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| 02:56 | <MetaCosm> | I like dreams, as crazy as they may be :) |
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| 02:57 | <MetaCosm> | and, you always dream, the only diff is if you remember the dreams :) |
| 02:57 | <MetaCosm> | night |
| 02:57 | <purrdeta> | I remember the dreams a LOT more than I used to |
| 02:57 | <amitz> | MetaCosm: yeah, the REM = dream or something like that. night! |
| 02:57 | <purrdeta> | I often dream about radio these days because I love doing it. Especially if I have a shift sometime in the near future. But some of my dreams are so damn bizzare |
| 02:58 | <amitz> | purrdeta: perhaps because you're older, your deep/dreamful sleep is shorter and the time between the last dream and waking is becoming too short. |
| 02:58 | <amitz> | s/sleep/phase of sleep/ |
| 02:59 | <purrdeta> | meh perhaps. Im only 21 |
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| 03:03 | <prataprc> | Got some io stats regarding my my slow response. |
| 03:03 | <amitz> | purrdeta: oh :-p |
| 03:04 | <amitz> | when I said old, I meant 40-ish something. |
| 03:04 | <purrdeta> | but I still remember them a lot more than I did a while ago :P |
| 03:04 | <purrdeta> | but yeah... I'm a bit far away from that |
| 03:04 | <prataprc> | When I keep the server idle, which means no request, the avg CPU time waiting for IO is about 1%. and idle time is about 96% |
| 03:05 | <prataprc> | When I emulate repeated form submission (sequential), I see about 10-15% on iowait and about 90% idle time. |
| 03:06 | <prataprc> | I am not running anything other than Apache+our-web-app. |
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| 03:10 | <prataprc> | For that particular form submission our app does a dozen or more SQL queries and further index the form data using xapian search-indexing (indexed content will not be more than few hundred bytes). |
| 03:12 | <prataprc> | If I bypass the search indexing, response time improves by atleast 30%. I some how feel that this is due to slow IO. |
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| 03:26 | <rogi_> | amitz: I'm 46 and don't remember my dreams any more or less than I used to at, say, 26. And '40-ish or something' is not old! :p |
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| 03:28 | <amitz> | rogi_: yeah, if I guess correctly, Yaakov can still call you grasshoper :-p |
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| 03:30 | <rogi_> | amitz: yeah? Oh, well, then he really is old. Bet he can't even remember going to bed let alone if he had any dreams. :D |
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| 03:49 | <amitz> | I believe I'm mistaking Yaakov with another person in another forum. He proudly declares that he is older than everybody else by many hundred of years :-p |
| 03:52 | <mib_4sx5etk9m2ec> | methuselah? |
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| 05:55 | <linbot> | New news from forums: What program do I need? in Email/SMTP Related Forum <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5085>; |
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| 06:24 | <Hartimer> | morning |
| 06:24 | <chemosh> | hiya |
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| 07:15 | <Davuzz> | something uses all my bandwidth usage on my server and i can't login, any suggesstions? |
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| 07:27 | <A-KO> | kill it and rebuild the node? |
| 07:27 | <A-KO> | or try lish? |
| 07:30 | <numk> | A-KO: -.- |
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| 07:37 | <mwalling> | Davuzz: whats "bandwidth"? |
| 07:37 | <Davuzz> | bandwidth... net |
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| 07:38 | <Davuzz> | it uses 20+MB/s all the time and i ran out of bandwidth/month |
| 07:38 | <Davuzz> | used* |
| 07:38 | <Davuzz> | rebooted and deleted some profiles now |
| 07:38 | <Davuzz> | ill see if that helps |
| 07:38 | <mwalling> | inbound or outboound? |
| 07:38 | <Davuzz> | ouyt |
| 07:38 | <Davuzz> | out* |
| 07:38 | <mwalling> | wheres it going? |
| 07:38 | <Davuzz> | i got no idea |
| 07:38 | <mwalling> | find outy |
| 07:38 | <Davuzz> | read what i just said |
| 07:39 | <mwalling> | did you try lish? |
| 07:39 | <Davuzz> | whats lish? |
| 07:39 | <mwalling> | !lish |
| 07:39 | <linbot> | LISH allows you to perform certain actions without having to log into the LPM. Lish's primary function is to allow you access to your server's console, even if networking is disabled. http://library.linode.com/linode-manager/using-lish-the-linode-shell.html |
| 07:39 | <mwalling> | lish. |
| 07:39 | <Davuzz> | im logged into the shell now |
| 07:39 | <Davuzz> | after rebooting |
| 07:39 | <mwalling> | ok, wheres the traffic going? |
| 07:39 | <Pete0> | Hey all, anyone used the linode "swap ip" tool, and had duplicate IP problems after the swap? |
| 07:39 | <Davuzz> | i dont know |
| 07:39 | <mwalling> | Pete0: ticket time |
| 07:40 | <mwalling> | Davuzz: then find out |
| 07:40 | <Davuzz> | how am i able to find out? |
| 07:40 | <Davuzz> | it aint using that much anymore after the reboot |
| 07:40 | <Davuzz> | and deleted profiles |
| 07:40 | <Pete0> | mwalling: yeah did that but was hoping someone else may know |
| 07:40 | <mwalling> | whats a "profile"? |
| 07:40 | <Davuzz> | a user |
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| 07:41 | <mwalling> | Pete0: i've done it when i rebuilt my node, and it worked fine |
| 07:42 | <mwalling> | Davuzz: a user on what? |
| 07:42 | <mwalling> | a system user? LPM users? |
| 07:42 | <Davuzz> | system user |
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| 07:43 | <mwalling> | i've used iptraf for this before with success |
| 07:43 | <mwalling> | when it starts back up again |
| 07:44 | <Davuzz> | iptraf ? |
| 07:44 | <Davuzz> | sec getting it |
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| 07:44 | <Davuzz> | smart |
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| 07:54 | <Davuzz> | thanks for that app mwalling |
| 07:54 | <Davuzz> | really smart |
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| 08:06 | <ofus> | !ftp |
| 08:06 | <linbot> | Please use SSH/SCP/SFTP/rsync-over-ssh instead of FTP: http://www.43folders.com/2008/07/14/dump-ftp |
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| 08:10 | <ofus> | Is it possible to set up virtual ftp user accounts with encryption? (sftp,scp,etc) |
| 08:11 | <hawk> | In theory, absolutely. But it all depends on what software you're running |
| 08:11 | <ofus> | something like http://howtoforge.com/virtual-hosting-with-pureftpd-and-mysql-incl-quota-and-bandwidth-management-on-ubuntu-9.10 |
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| 08:12 | <ofus> | but with ssl |
| 08:12 | <ofus> | or something |
| 08:12 | <chanell> | ciao |
| 08:12 | <chanell> | !list |
| 08:12 | <linbot> | chanell: Admin, Alias, Anonymous, BadWords, Channel, ChannelStats, Config, CyborgName, Dict, Factoids, Filter, Format, Games, Google, Herald, Insult, Internet, Lart, Later, Limiter, LinodeAvail, Misc, News, Note, Owner, Plugin, Praise, Quote, RSS, Scheduler, Seen, Services, ShrinkUrl, Status, Stock, String, Time, URL, Unix, User, Utilities, Weather, and Web |
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| 08:15 | <ofus> | I've looked for addons for vsftpd, proftpd, pureftpd, etc that could handle virtual users from a database plus encryption, but no luck |
| 08:16 | <ofus> | and from my understanding openssh's sftp only works with actual system accounts |
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| 08:17 | <chesty> | system accounts can come from a database |
| 08:17 | <ofus> | instead of /etc/passwd ? |
| 08:17 | <chesty> | ldap, or whatever, yes |
| 08:17 | <ofus> | howso |
| 08:17 | <chesty> | pam |
| 08:18 | <chesty> | nsswitch |
| 08:18 | <ofus> | ahh |
| 08:19 | <ofus> | ty |
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| 08:26 | <mwalling> | Davuzz: see? "whats causing it?" :) i'm an asshole who also gets things done :) |
| 08:27 | <Davuzz> | eh? |
| 08:29 | <mwalling> | !therules |
| 08:29 | <linbot> | The rules: (#1) RTFM, (#2) urmom is *always* relevant, (#3) SelfishMan is the resident arrogant prick, (#4) mwalling is the resident asshole |
| 08:29 | * | mwalling bows |
| 08:32 | <Nivex> | so what happens when SelfishMan and mwalling argue? |
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| 08:32 | <tjfontaine> | actually nothing, it happens more than you think |
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| 08:32 | <tjfontaine> | otoh it might be what makes the world go round |
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| 09:11 | <customer> | Can I resell Linode accounts? Is that allowed? |
| 09:11 | <chesty> | !tos |
| 09:11 | <linbot> | http://www.linode.com/tos.cfm |
| 09:12 | <customer> | Skimmed it, couldn't find anything. So I guess it is okay. |
| 09:13 | <customer> | have to check thoroughly later |
| 09:13 | <customer> | bb |
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| 09:26 | <tozz> | damn you all to hell, just because of the Linode app for iPhone I can't dump my iPhone for an Android :p |
| 09:27 | <tozz> | lets hope for a port within the near future |
| 09:27 | <BeBoo> | tozz: i'm working on an Android version :D |
| 09:27 | <tozz> | ^^ |
| 09:27 | <BeBoo> | it's in the beginning stages atm |
| 09:29 | <JediMaster> | linode app???!! |
| 09:30 | * | JediMaster rushes to itunes |
| 09:30 | <BeBoo> | behind the times! |
| 09:30 | * | JediMaster remembers he's in Kubuntu and rushes to app store on his iphone instead |
| 09:30 | <BeBoo> | :o |
| 09:30 | <BeBoo> | wine ? |
| 09:30 | <JediMaster> | bleh |
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| 09:31 | <BeBoo> | very well |
| 09:31 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 09:31 | <BeBoo> | lol |
| 09:31 | <JediMaster> | I see Linode Manager and Linode Chief |
| 09:31 | <@caker> | guess which one? |
| 09:31 | <JediMaster> | I'm guessing the one by Linode? =) |
| 09:31 | <BeBoo> | the only one made by Linode |
| 09:31 | <BeBoo> | ;p |
| 09:32 | <tozz> | best app on iphone |
| 09:32 | <JediMaster> | caker, so who wrote it then? =) |
| 09:32 | <tozz> | it actually does something good |
| 09:33 | <BeBoo> | JediMaster, jed did |
| 09:33 | <JediMaster> | ah nice, sweet, I'm in and can see my linode on my iphone =D |
| 09:34 | <JediMaster> | ok, I think I have something to finally convince my boss to move the servers at work from vps.net to here =D |
| 09:34 | <amitz> | JediMaster: I thought you already can using the force? |
| 09:34 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 09:34 | <linbot> | http://www.summerglauonastick.co.uk |
| 09:35 | <JediMaster> | poor summer got shot in the face |
| 09:35 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 09:36 | <JediMaster> | no, wrong series =D |
| 09:36 | <JediMaster> | dollhouse |
| 09:37 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
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| 09:45 | <Scott_> | Is there any issues in Newark? |
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| 09:45 | <Karrde> | mine's fine |
| 09:45 | <JshWright> | Scott_: not that I've noticed |
| 09:45 | <JshWright> | (connected to IRC via irssi on my Newark linode) |
| 09:45 | <Scott_> | ah k |
| 09:45 | <Karrde> | !mtr newark69.linode.com |
| 09:45 | <linbot> | mtr combines the functionality of traceroute and ping into one easy to use tool, and the output can be useful for determining where the source of a problem is. It can be downloaded from http://www.bitwizard.nl/mtr/ or http://winmtr.sourceforge.net/ for Windows. MTR summaries can be retrieved in-channel using the command !mtr-CITY where CITY is fremont, atlanta, newark, dallas or london. |
| 09:45 | <Scott_> | CSF might of firewalled me then. |
| 09:45 | <Karrde> | !mtr-dallas newark69.linode.com |
| 09:45 | <linbot> | Karrde: [mtr] newark69.linode.com: 10 hops, no loss, last hop average RTT was 40.4ms |
| 09:46 | <Scott_> | well that's weird |
| 09:46 | <Scott_> | everything started working again |
| 09:46 | <@caker> | welcomet to the Internet |
| 09:46 | <Scott_> | =P |
| 09:47 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 09:47 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 09:47 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 09:47 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 09:49 | * | amitz envies SpaceHobo's collection of ASCII. |
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| 09:50 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 09:50 | <Scott_> | http://www.internetpulse.net/ o.o |
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| 09:51 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
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| 09:51 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
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| 09:52 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 09:52 | <Dianoga> | Any opinions on domain name registrars? Is there any real difference between them? |
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| 09:52 | <Scott_> | yeah i'd say so :P |
| 09:52 | <Scott_> | my ISP is AT&T |
| 09:53 | <JshWright> | I use GoDaddy, becuase I always have... You just have to be careful to avoid all of their upsell options |
| 09:53 | <tjfontaine> | same |
| 09:54 | <Scott_> | i gotta pastebin this traceroute :D |
| 09:54 | <tjfontaine> | !paste |
| 09:54 | <linbot> | http://p.linode.com <-- paste here, not in the channel |
| 09:54 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 09:54 | <linbot> | http://www.summerglauonastick.co.uk |
| 09:55 | <Scott_> | http://p.linode.com/3469 |
| 09:55 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 09:55 | <SirSquidness> | lol Scott_ |
| 09:55 | <Scott_> | i use domain.com. never had any issues. I once registrered a mispelled domain and they gave me a free registration |
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| 09:57 | <amitz> | does vt-d matter a lot? vt-x is Intel's virtualization technology. vt-d is Intel's Virtualization Technology for Directed I/O. |
| 09:57 | <oru_work> | what is the difference between these two /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini and /etc/php5/cli/php.ini ? |
| 09:57 | <Scott_> | php.ini is what apache2 uses and the cli one is used from cli i would suppose ;p |
| 09:57 | <JshWright> | amitz: that's up to the hypervisor... |
| 09:57 | <Dianoga> | yep |
| 09:58 | <amitz> | JshWright: I'm not that knowledgeable. You mean it depends on whether the hypervisor use that feature or not? I'm basically planning to run one instance of windows xp, I wonder how much resource it can save. |
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| 09:59 | <JshWright> | amitz: it depends on whether or not the hypervisor implements it, and how well it implements it |
| 09:59 | <JshWright> | generally speaking though, no it doesn't matter that much |
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| 10:00 | <amitz> | JshWright: hmm I see... thanks! |
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| 10:00 | <oru_work> | im installing this program called vTiger CRM and the installation page tells me this http://pastebin.com/m626cb117 and i have memory_limit set to 128 in /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini |
| 10:01 | <JshWright> | amitz: unless you're going with a newer Intel chip (like a nehalem), I'd go with AMD for virtualization |
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| 10:08 | <amitz> | JshWright: yeah, it will be nehalem based. The world of processor is getting way to complicated it took sometime for me to google the answer.. |
| 10:10 | <JshWright> | good, for certain workloads, EPT (available w/ Nehalem, but not before) can make a pretty substantial difference in performance (20-25%) |
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| 10:10 | <JshWright> | (generally speaking it's most helpful in multi-VM environments) |
| 10:13 | <oru_work> | any idea why it shows that i only have 25M limit ? |
| 10:14 | <oru_work> | when its really set to 128 |
| 10:14 | <SubZero> | oru_work restart/reload apache |
| 10:14 | <JshWright> | Why doesn't anyone sell a decent laptop with a fast processor and plenty of RAM, but without a discrete graphics card? |
| 10:15 | <oru_work> | SubZero, I did restart, shows the same |
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| 10:15 | <JshWright> | integrated graphics (especially the new clarkdale stuff) would be more than enough for my needs... I just want plenty of CPU and memory... |
| 10:15 | <JshWright> | </rant> |
| 10:16 | <SubZero> | oru_work phpinfo() shows 25 |
| 10:16 | <SubZero> | 25MB? |
| 10:17 | <oru_work> | SubZero, the installer in the browser shows that php.ini value for memory_limit is 25 |
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| 10:18 | <SubZero> | try phpinfo() |
| 10:18 | <SubZero> | dont know your application/installer |
| 10:19 | <SubZero> | maybe its using command line php? so conf file would be diff from apache one |
| 10:19 | <oru_work> | SubZero, don't know what you mean by phpinfo() |
| 10:20 | <Scott_> | create a file with <?php phpinfo(); ?> |
| 10:21 | <SubZero> | oru_work ex. create file named info.php and put in that file -> "<?php phpinfo(); ?>" without "" and see that file in ur browser. of course file me be in ur public folder @ apache |
| 10:24 | <oru_work> | SubZero, http://www.jpiamerica.com/crm/info.php |
| 10:24 | <mwalling> | JshWright: want my M6300? |
| 10:24 | <Napta> | hahahaa, my linode does faster I/O then the largest EC2 instance :/ |
| 10:24 | <Napta> | sad |
| 10:25 | <JshWright> | mwalling: I really want an Arrandale based system... |
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| 10:27 | <oru_work> | yeah shows 25 for local, not sure what that means |
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| 10:30 | <amitz_> | JshWright: noted about EPT. Acer sells nehalem but only 2GB of RAM and integrated graphic card. |
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| 10:31 | <SubZero> | oru_work try to change memory_limit for cli php |
| 10:32 | <oru_work> | SubZero, /etc/php5/cli/php.ini hs memory_limit 32 ; |
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| 10:34 | <SubZero> | oru_work i dont know what else u could do, i got memory_limit set as 128M for both local and master as it shows in phpinfo(); |
| 10:35 | <oru_work> | SubZero, these are search results for php.ini http://pastebin.com/m21560469 |
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| 10:37 | <SubZero> | change that setting in cli conf, restart apache and see what happans |
| 10:38 | <oru_work> | SubZero, yup just tried that, same thing |
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| 10:39 | <JshWright> | This sounds like what I'm looking for: http://www.msi.com/index.php?news_no=939&func=newsdesc |
| 10:40 | <JshWright> | anyone have any opinions on MSI notebooks? |
| 10:40 | <oru_work> | SubZero, I got it, had to change memory_limit in .htaccess forgot all about that :) |
| 10:40 | <oru_work> | SubZero, thanks for help |
| 10:41 | <JshWright> | "This touch-pad also utilizes the full-textured cross-hatch CFP patterning for the maximum in user enjoyment" I think I read that in a condom ad once... |
| 10:41 | <SubZero> | so local value is for each virtual host, got it ;) |
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| 10:49 | <_Lucretia_> | if I want to access the various parts of my mail system like this: SMTP (mail.example.com), POP3 (pop3.example.com), IMAP (imap.example.com) do I need to add more MX records or A/AAAA records or both? Also, given I'm using TLS, should I really use "pop3s" and "imaps" ? Thanks |
| 10:50 | <nb> | _Lucretia_, why not just use mail for everything? |
| 10:51 | <nb> | but to answer your question you'd need to add more A/AAAA or CNAME records |
| 10:51 | <Napta> | you shouldn't use pop3 :/ |
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| 10:51 | <Napta> | although gmail seems to insist on it for remote fetching |
| 10:52 | <Napta> | _Lucretia_: I setup a mail ISP (using linode) a couple of years ago, and I regret offering pop3 or any NON-TLS protocols at all. Because its so difficult to migrate people from them. |
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| 10:52 | <Napta> | _Lucretia_: If I could start again I'd offer imaps and SMTP-AUTH-TLS only |
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| 10:53 | <Scott_> | I find using google apps so much easier. |
| 10:53 | <Scott_> | BlackBerry seems to like it more too. |
| 10:53 | <Guspaz> | I really wish that we could move Otakuthon over to Google Apps, but there are unfortunately some showstoppers that require us to run our own mail service. |
| 10:54 | <mwalling> | Napta: pop3 is fine for fetching |
| 10:54 | <Napta> | mwalling: but so is imap, and one protocol is easier to manage than two :) |
| 10:54 | <Napta> | although a customer or two front their mail with gmail, so I have to keep pop3 :/ |
| 10:55 | <mwalling> | imap is for synching |
| 10:55 | <Napta> | To my customers there really isn't a difference |
| 10:55 | <Napta> | other than how their let their outlook guide them |
| 10:55 | <Guspaz> | The biggest killer is that Google Apps is prohibitively expensive for a non-profit, and Google has an incredibly narrow definition of non-profit that we (a non-profit) don't qualify. |
| 10:55 | <Napta> | I say customers, I don't actually make any money heh |
| 10:55 | <Napta> | I just do it for a charity |
| 10:56 | <Guspaz> | We're an actual registered non-profit. |
| 10:56 | <Guspaz> | Not a "don't-charge-money" |
| 10:56 | <Guspaz> | But Google requires you to be registered in the US under some laws or something. |
| 10:57 | <Guspaz> | You need to have "501(c)(3)" status, which means that Canadian non-profits get stuck paying $50 per user, which is insane. |
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| 10:58 | <Guspaz> | $5000 a year for e-mail service for a non-profit is 15x our entire annual hosting budget with Linode. |
| 10:58 | <nb> | interesting. google apps supports syncing mail on iphone using activesync now |
| 10:58 | * | nb considers trying it again :) |
| 10:58 | <mwalling> | HOT SYNC FOR EVER! |
| 10:59 | <Napta> | After two or so years I am still amazed that we went from one $180/month dedicated server, to four Linodes (for HA) for $120/month heh |
| 10:59 | <Napta> | and that stupid $180 month box ran freebsd/qmail |
| 10:59 | <Napta> | mwalling: hehe |
| 10:59 | <Guspaz> | nb: I have it working on my iphone. It's supposed to be push, but it doesn't seem to be. |
| 10:59 | <mwalling> | i bought a fucking centro 2 fucking weeks before palm dropped PalmOS like a hot potato |
| 11:00 | <Guspaz> | mwalling: The Pre was announced ages before it came out, it's not like you didn't have tons of warning. |
| 11:00 | <mwalling> | and guess what, when a vendor stops supporting an operating system, EVEYRONE ELSE STOPS SUPPORTING YOUR FUCKING PHONE |
| 11:00 | * | mwalling glares at google maps version ancient.0 |
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| 11:00 | <JshWright> | mwalling: you should have waited for the Droid :p |
| 11:01 | <mwalling> | JshWright: couldnt, razr's battery was dead as a doornail |
| 11:01 | <Guspaz> | Besides, PalmOS should have been dropped a decade ago. |
| 11:01 | <mwalling> | held a charge for a few minutes tops |
| 11:01 | <Guspaz> | At least, it should have been dropped as it stood; it was stagnant. |
| 11:01 | <Guspaz> | If they had put in some work into modernizing it, it could have lived on. |
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| 11:03 | <JshWright> | mwalling: always keep a spare phone for those "get over the hump" situations |
| 11:03 | <mwalling> | gee, now you tell me |
| 11:03 | <mwalling> | centro's up in august |
| 11:04 | <mwalling> | i'm going to email my rep and see if i can get it moved up |
| 11:05 | <Guspaz> | I find myself using webmail on the iPhone these days anyhow; activesync now just serves to sync my calendar/contacts, and keep the little red "unread mail" number on the home screen up to date :P |
| 11:05 | <Scott_> | nb: They have exchange support for premier accounts too now. |
| 11:05 | <Guspaz> | The lack of threading in the iPhone mail reader is kind of a problem. |
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| 11:05 | <Scott_> | i like BIS |
| 11:06 | <Guspaz> | I've never used it. |
| 11:07 | <Scott_> | works great for me. love push mail ;p |
| 11:07 | <Guspaz> | I heard people complaining that Wind does't support BIS on their blackberries, but I don't know what it entails. |
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| 11:07 | <Scott_> | We ran a BES for a while but running Exchange was so pointless for 5 users. |
| 11:09 | <Guspaz> | I assume that BIS is the RIM-hosted-mail for the blackberry? |
| 11:09 | <Scott_> | Yep |
| 11:10 | <Scott_> | its weird when my blackberry beeps before i get a desktop aleert |
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| 11:13 | <Guspaz> | I turned off mail notification on my iPhone, because I don't want it beeping at 4AM telling me I got new spam :P |
| 11:13 | <Scott_> | yeah that wont wake me up :P |
| 11:14 | <Scott_> | besides when i dock it turns that crap off XD |
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| 11:15 | <Guspaz> | I don't know if the iPhone would turn that off when docked, I doubt it. |
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| 11:23 | <amitz> | JshWright: msi is notable in OEM stuff, or so I heard. |
| 11:25 | <avar> | Does Debian have a feature to nice(1) daemons started with /etc/init.d/ when they're started? E.g. apache/postgres/mysql? I haven't found a way to do this for them short of hackig the init.d scripts. |
| 11:25 | <avar> | Some daemons like Tor have /etc/default/ configuration that allows this, but not most |
| 11:26 | <Hogggs> | avar, you'd need to edit the edit the scripts unless there is another config value hidden somewhere |
| 11:27 | <Hogggs> | Then again I don't know Debian too well. |
| 11:27 | <_Lucretia_> | nb, Napta ok, was just wondering. i currently have smtp/pop3/imap via dovecot/postfix and using tls. one thing tho, when i connect via evolution or n900 i get "signature: bad" not sure if this is for pop3/imap or smtp |
| 11:27 | <Hogggs> | So don't quote me on that |
| 11:27 | <Hogggs> | =p |
| 11:27 | <_Lucretia_> | nb, Napta: currently it's set up for just mail.example.com |
| 11:28 | <avar> | Hogggs: Yeah I'm not sure either, but it's starting to look like that. |
| 11:28 | <Hogggs> | But that's how it would work in every other distro I use |
| 11:30 | <nb> | _Lucretia_, do you have a signed certificate for mail.? |
| 11:31 | <avar> | Yeah, but then you'd need to patch those files every time you get an upgrade. |
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| 11:31 | <_Lucretia_> | nb: I do for smpt yeah |
| 11:31 | <nb> | that's probably why you get the signature: bad if you are using mail |
| 11:31 | <_Lucretia_> | smtpd |
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| 11:31 | <avar> | Maybe I'll just run reniced |
| 11:31 | <nb> | personally i use mail.example.com for everything, so I only need one certificate |
| 11:31 | <Hogggs> | avar, thank god for Gentoo |
| 11:31 | <Hogggs> | :P |
| 11:31 | <_Lucretia_> | nb, yeah, I have mail.example.com for all |
| 11:32 | <Hogggs> | avar, you could make your own little script that runs after the others, and adjusts their niceness |
| 11:32 | <nb> | oh |
| 11:32 | <_Lucretia_> | nb: that covers smtp/imap and pop3 |
| 11:32 | <nb> | _Lucretia_, and is your certificate for mail.example.com? |
| 11:33 | <_Lucretia_> | you mean the domain entered when creating the cert? hmm, I think I may have put my local hostname.example.com |
| 11:33 | <nb> | _Lucretia_, then that is why you get the bad signature |
| 11:33 | <avar> | Hogggs: Yeah, that's what reniced does so I'll just use that |
| 11:33 | <nb> | because the domain you used is not the same as what you are using when connecting to the server |
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| 11:35 | -!- | ChanServ changed the topic of #linode to: Linode Community Support | http://www.linode.com/ | http://tinyurl.com/linode-stackscripts |
| 11:35 | <linbot> | New news from blog: Introducing StackScripts <http://blog.linode.com/2010/02/09/introducing-stackscripts/>; |
| 11:35 | <_Lucretia_> | nb, k thanks, will try regen |
| 11:35 | <@jed> | tada |
| 11:36 | -!- | ChanServ changed the topic of #linode to: Linode Community Support | http://www.linode.com/ | Introducing StackScripts - http://tinyurl.com/linode-stackscripts |
| 11:36 | <JshWright> | jed: you guys have been way too productive lately |
| 11:36 | <Hogggs> | Oh shit. StackScripts! |
| 11:36 | <@jed> | caker drinks a 5-hour energy every 2 minutes |
| 11:36 | <nb> | _Lucretia_, and if it isn't signed by a CA, it will still give that error |
| 11:37 | <nb> | oh nice, apparently the stackscripts is public now |
| 11:38 | <_Lucretia_> | nb, nah privately signed |
| 11:38 | <_Lucretia_> | unsigned, whatever : |
| 11:38 | <_Lucretia_> | D |
| 11:38 | <nb> | _Lucretia_, yeah, then you'll still get the error, but most clients will let you tell it to ignore the error permanently |
| 11:39 | <_Lucretia_> | k |
| 11:39 | * | _Lucretia_ might actually finish his mail server setup at some point :D |
| 11:40 | <jacksonh> | yay stack scripts! |
| 11:42 | * | nb wonders why we skip datacenters 1 and 5 |
| 11:42 | <JshWright> | http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1112543 gogogo! |
| 11:42 | <@jed> | nb: they're the nonpayment dungeon, where your Linode goes when it's forgotten -- to be tortured |
| 11:43 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 11:43 | <nb> | lol |
| 11:43 | <JshWright> | AKA "Caker's Basement" |
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| 11:44 | <cal> | I am a newbie that just set up apache on ubuntu. So far I have also set up expires-headers and compression. How can I allow for both domain.com and www.domain.com to be accepted? |
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| 11:47 | * | irgeek missed the deadline to answer that question, I guess |
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| 12:01 | <JshWright> | caker: thanks for the the timing on the StackScripts announcement, right at the beginning of the North America lunch hours should mean some solid HN karma-whoring for me ;) |
| 12:01 | <@jed> | JshWright: gj |
| 12:01 | <purrdeta> | stack scripts look like win. I may do one! <3 |
| 12:01 | <@jed> | Safari can’t open the page “http://news.ycombinator.com/” because Safari can’t connect to the server “news.ycombinator.com”. |
| 12:01 | <@jed> | er. |
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| 12:02 | <JshWright> | jed: probably a parentheses overflow |
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| 12:02 | <@jed> | !httping news.ycombinator.com |
| 12:02 | <linbot> | jed: [httping] news.ycombinator.com: 4 connects, 0 ok, 100.00% failed, |
| 12:02 | <JshWright> | jed: it's working just fine for me |
| 12:03 | <@jed> | hm, one of my tabs refused to load it for a few minutes |
| 12:03 | <@jed> | !down |
| 12:03 | <linbot> | jed: Down for everyone or just me? |
| 12:03 | <@jed> | !down google.com |
| 12:03 | <linbot> | jed: It's just you. |
| 12:04 | <purrdeta> | !down darkdna.net |
| 12:04 | <linbot> | purrdeta: It's just you. |
| 12:04 | <purrdeta> | good :P |
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| 12:05 | <@jed> | really, the new "down for everyone or just me" is search.twitter.com |
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| 12:05 | <Scott_> | ikr |
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| 12:06 | <@jed> | http://theoatmeal.com/story/octopus <-- barfing cat ftw |
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| 12:08 | <tjfontaine> | no way am I clicking that link |
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| 12:09 | <thegodlikehobo> | but there's a fat lady punching out the brain of a mountain lion. how can you *not* click it? |
| 12:09 | <@jed> | yeah, that's the wonderful finish |
| 12:09 | <thegodlikehobo> | wearing crocs, mind you |
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| 12:10 | <JshWright> | theoatmeal has such a bizzare sense of humor... the vast majority of their examples wouldn't have occured to me in a million years (and I fancy myself a reasonably creative person...) |
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| 12:15 | <_Lucretia_> | nb: hmmm, I just looked in my docs on how I created the key: openssl req -new -outform PEM -out smtpd.cert -newkey rsa:2048 -nodes -keyout smtpd.key -keyform PEM -days 365 -x509 - doesn't ask for a domain, must be missing something else |
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| 12:16 | <_Lucretia_> | nb: unless it's a fqdn missing from "mydestination" in main.cf? |
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| 12:22 | <_Lucretia_> | ah, forget it, i missed "Common Name" misread it |
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| 12:26 | <purrdeta> | how much RAM does egroupware use? |
| 12:27 | <purrdeta> | any one know? |
| 12:27 | <chesty> | 1 |
| 12:27 | <JshWright> | re: StackScripts on HN "This is nice. As a level 1 bofh I love this and will consider Linode as my next VPS (though I'm uberhappy at slicehost!)." |
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| 12:42 | <oru_work> | how can I change the default character set to UTF-8 using phpmyadmin ? |
| 12:43 | <oru_work> | of 1 database |
| 12:44 | <chesty> | i _thought_ you couldn't change it after it was created |
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| 13:05 | <andrew> | Hi, new customer here; is the console ajaxy tab the best way to get the ssh host key off a freshly provisioned system? |
| 13:05 | <mwalling> | probably |
| 13:05 | <andrew> | yeah, alright |
| 13:06 | <mwalling> | you can also connect to lish to get teh same thing the ajaxterm shows you |
| 13:06 | <mwalling> | !lish |
| 13:06 | <linbot> | LISH allows you to perform certain actions without having to log into the LPM. Lish's primary function is to allow you access to your server's console, even if networking is disabled. http://library.linode.com/linode-manager/using-lish-the-linode-shell.html |
| 13:06 | <andrew> | hrm |
| 13:06 | <andrew> | cool |
| 13:07 | <andrew> | ... is there any way to verify the host key of the ssh lish session? |
| 13:08 | <bd_> | I suppose you could try sshing to it from your linode over ajaxterm - that's right over a switched network with ARP filtering, so there shouldn't be a risk of interception |
| 13:08 | <bd_> | (But then how do you verify your root SSL certificates?!) |
| 13:09 | <bd_> | Seriously though, it would be nice if linode would provide host key fingerprints over the LPM |
| 13:09 | <andrew> | heh, right |
| 13:09 | <bd_> | post a feature request in the forums I guess :) |
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| 13:11 | <Pryon> | mikegrb is watching you in the bathroom and you're concerned about ssh keys? |
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| 13:12 | <mwalling> | bd_: once upon a time, mike dumpped all the host keys to a file he signed and put on the wiki |
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| 13:14 | <bd_> | mwalling: yeah, but is that still there? |
| 13:14 | <bd_> | and how do you verify his gpg key? ;) |
| 13:14 | <bd_> | It would seem simple enough to just put a fingerprint box on the console page |
| 13:15 | <@mikegrb> | that's what she said |
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| 13:15 | <bd_> | who, Perihelion? |
| 13:15 | <@mikegrb> | urmom |
| 13:15 | <@Perihelion> | :O |
| 13:16 | <sarahmcnight> | with regards to current backup options, is it possible for me to 1) edit my disk image (cut it in half) 2) create a new "partition" and 3) use the Settings & Utilities "clone" option to copy to the new partition? |
| 13:16 | <sarahmcnight> | oh, and hi! :) |
| 13:17 | <bd_> | sarahmcnight: yes, but note that resizing disk images and cloning disk images requires the linode be shut down at the time |
| 13:17 | <bd_> | also, don't create a new partition manually - the clone will do it for you |
| 13:17 | <sarahmcnight> | understood - site is still in beta, so downtime is no problem |
| 13:17 | <bd_> | *nod* |
| 13:17 | <bd_> | for production backup you'll want something less impacting though |
| 13:18 | <sarahmcnight> | ahh, so i can literally do the entire process via the clone interface? |
| 13:19 | <bd_> | sarahmcnight: well, except for the resize |
| 13:19 | <sarahmcnight> | so i can click Image Options, enter a new size (resize my current image) and then jump right to the clone process |
| 13:19 | <Guspaz> | My current backup strategy is to nightly do a DB dump and then rsync over the changes to my storage tank at home, and then do a ZFS snapshot to make it incremental. |
| 13:20 | <Guspaz> | With certain directories excluded from the rsync. |
| 13:20 | <sarahmcnight> | guspax: thats above my paygrade. ;) im still awfully new with this process (how many times a day is that said on this forum) |
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| 13:21 | <Pryon> | rsync-backup doesn't require a lot of brainpower :-) |
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| 13:22 | <Pryon> | not that intelligence and pay are correlated in any way (sigh) |
| 13:22 | <sarahmcnight> | ill take your word on that. and given that i was successfull in implementing a fairly detailed mercury install, im rather proud of my linux capabilities. :D |
| 13:22 | <bd_> | sarahmcnight: that's correct. You'll have to wait for the resize to complete for it to free up some quota though |
| 13:23 | <sarahmcnight> | bd_: gotcha, so the clone will simply work its magic on the available space auto-magically.... |
| 13:23 | <bd_> | right... well, it's basically just a create new image -> dd cycle, really |
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| 13:24 | <sarahmcnight> | gotcha. how much space would i need to just copy over my (as yet) fairly empty setup? LAMP with some heavy configs based on a "mercury drupal" setup |
| 13:25 | <linbot> | New news from forums: SSH host key fingerprinting in Feature Request/Bug Report <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5172>; |
| 13:25 | <sarahmcnight> | 20%, 30%? |
| 13:25 | <sarahmcnight> | or is that too subjective? |
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| 13:26 | <bd_> | sarahmcnight: If you're using the clone image tool, you need free space equal to the size of the image to be cloned |
| 13:26 | <bd_> | as it can't tell the difference between free space and allocated space |
| 13:27 | <sarahmcnight> | gotcha, so i need to literally half my current image, so the clone has the exact same size to copy to |
| 13:27 | <sarahmcnight> | halve |
| 13:27 | <bd_> | yep |
| 13:27 | <sarahmcnight> | *curtsies* |
| 13:28 | <sarahmcnight> | much obliged |
| 13:29 | <sarahmcnight> | and there are proper beta plans in the works, if i read correctly (somewhere). is there any update on that i can read? |
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| 13:41 | <@mikegrb> | bd_: done |
| 13:42 | <WoodWork> | Does the LPM ask for confirmation, for example - if I was to accidently click 'reboot' when flicking through my firefox tabs? |
| 13:43 | <@caker> | yes |
| 13:43 | <mwalling> | mikegrb: while your in that box, the lish documentation still points to the wiki, not the library |
| 13:43 | <WoodWork> | Ah. :) Thanks - Nearly did it yesterday |
| 13:43 | <@mikegrb> | mwalling: too slow |
| 13:44 | <@mikegrb> | but not really |
| 13:44 | <WoodWork> | caker: Nice work with the stackscripts & iphone app.. thanks. |
| 13:44 | <Scott_> | the iPhone app does look nice too bad I can't use it. make a bb app :D |
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| 13:46 | <@mikegrb> | mwalling: done, thanks |
| 13:46 | <mwalling> | mikegrb: <3 |
| 13:46 | <mwalling> | i hit enter before you did :) |
| 13:46 | <@mikegrb> | <3 |
| 13:46 | <mwalling> | (and i hit f5 before that) |
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| 13:54 | <Twayne> | ... |
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| 13:56 | <avar> | How do I find out what scheduler I'm using on linux? E.g. if I'm using cfq? I can't find this googling around. |
| 13:57 | <@jed> | cat /sys/block/{device}/queue/scheduler |
| 13:57 | <linbot> | New news from forums: Fremont Linode Availability in Sales Questions and Answers <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5173>; |
| 13:57 | <@jed> | 13:57 jsmith@undertow% cat /sys/block/xvdb/queue/scheduler ~ |
| 13:57 | <@jed> | noop anticipatory deadline [cfq] |
| 13:57 | <avar> | Ah, "noop anticipatory deadline [cfq]". So ionice should work then |
| 13:57 | <@jed> | square brackets is current |
| 13:57 | <avar> | thanks |
| 13:57 | <@jed> | np |
| 13:58 | <WoodWork> | Does the Linode iPhone app allow pastes in the api key? |
| 13:58 | <@jed> | WoodWork: there's something strange with copy/paste on the login form only, we're aware already and working on an improvement |
| 13:58 | <@jed> | I'm told no |
| 13:58 | <WoodWork> | :) |
| 13:58 | <WoodWork> | Thanks. |
| 13:58 | <@jed> | I recommend logging in with a username/password, as it will save the username for now (password in next update) |
| 13:59 | <WoodWork> | When the update coming? |
| 13:59 | <@jed> | due to many factors, I cannot say with any certainty except for "soon" |
| 13:59 | <WoodWork> | Woo! Thanks |
| 13:59 | <bd_> | WoodWork: Remember, apple requires review on all updates, and they don't tell the developer how long it'll take... |
| 13:59 | <WoodWork> | Yeahh |
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| 14:09 | <__lonewolf> | hi people |
| 14:09 | <thegodlikehobo> | y helo thar |
| 14:10 | <__lonewolf> | hello thegodlikehobo |
| 14:11 | * | metaperl wonders what the full topic is... what is StackScript? |
| 14:11 | <metaperl> | I cant see it all... how do you get the full topic in IRC? |
| 14:11 | <JshWright> | http://tinyurl.com/linode-stackscripts |
| 14:11 | <__lonewolf> | Do you know anything about how to monitor a node to debug this. I get a lot of these every few hours. "Your Linode, xxxx, has exceeded the notification threshold (350) for disk io rate by averaging 470.02 for the last 2 hours." |
| 14:11 | <metaperl> | JshWright: thanks |
| 14:12 | <WoodWork> | __lonewolf: That is set in the LPM, and can be disabled by completing the following actions; |
| 14:12 | <metaperl> | Linode manages to get sweeter |
| 14:12 | <metaperl> | :) |
| 14:13 | <WoodWork> | Logging in - Clicking your Linode - Clicking Settings & Utilities, and clicking Edit Alert Notification Settings. |
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| 14:15 | <Ghan_04> | In the Linode manager I am getting this: Transfer/Mo 192 GB |
| 14:15 | <Ghan_04> | Should it not be 200GB? |
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| 14:16 | <@caker> | Ghan_04: when did you add the Linode? |
| 14:16 | <Ghan_04> | Not very long ago. A few days. |
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| 14:17 | <Ghan_04> | Is it a prorated amount? |
| 14:17 | <@caker> | Well, that's because you added it a few days into the month. Your transfer is pro-rated as well. On the 1st it'll reset to 200G |
| 14:17 | <mwalling> | Ghan_04: was it 192/200 * 28 days ago? |
| 14:17 | <Ghan_04> | Ok. Cool. |
| 14:17 | <Ghan_04> | Just wanted to check. Thanks. :) |
| 14:17 | * | caker knows this will be a FAQ |
| 14:18 | <mwalling> | caker: better make a factoid, no one reads /faq.cfm |
| 14:20 | <Ghan_04> | I do. |
| 14:20 | <Ghan_04> | :P |
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| 14:31 | <ivan`> | is there a way to view the latest kernels available without logging in? |
| 14:31 | <thegodlikehobo> | http://www.linode.com/kernels/ |
| 14:32 | <WoodWork> | Is Linode hosted on a Linode? |
| 14:32 | <__lonewolf> | WoodWork: Thanks. Is there any way to monitor this? |
| 14:33 | <WoodWork> | __lonewolf: You can increase the limits, at your wish. There are the graphs, and "top" with the "" in SSH is a good tool. |
| 14:33 | <WoodWork> | (pressing q to exit) |
| 14:33 | <ivan`> | thegodlikehobo: thanks a lot |
| 14:33 | <ivan`> | got tired of logging in all the time :) |
| 14:35 | <__lonewolf> | WoodWork: Thanks. I use top all the time. I can see that some Perl scripts take some amount of CPU, but not sure why the disk I/O is heavy. |
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| 14:36 | <WoodWork> | 470 isn't that heavy... 1000-2000 is considered as high. ;) |
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| 14:37 | <__lonewolf> | Ah I had one warning with 970 yesterday. |
| 14:37 | <Guspaz> | WoodWork: Yes, linode's web stuff is all hosted on linodes. |
| 14:38 | <WoodWork> | Guspaz: Ah, that's good to know. |
| 14:38 | <Guspaz> | At least, the forums and site are. Dunno about the manager. |
| 14:38 | <WoodWork> | __lonewolf: What operating system are you using? |
| 14:39 | <__lonewolf> | Debian Lenny |
| 14:41 | <WoodWork> | iotop is a good tool which will show you the programs using the IO. |
| 14:41 | <WoodWork> | apt-get install iotop <- Will work, as far as I know. :) |
| 14:41 | <__lonewolf> | oh nice, thanks WoodWork, let me try with iotop :) |
| 14:42 | <WoodWork> | __lonewolf: No problem. |
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| 14:48 | <ph^> | where do I start looking when I'm listed in a certain group in /etc/group but not in `groups`? |
| 14:48 | <ph^> | I've logged out and in again |
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| 14:55 | <Bdragon> | Some systems don't use that as the official copy. |
| 14:56 | <Bdragon> | So they won't notice if you edit it by hand |
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| 14:59 | <__lonewolf> | WoodWork: no, it won't install. :( I have kernel 2.6.18.8-linode22 |
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| 15:28 | <streety> | Can anyone see why http://paste.linode.com/3470 shouldn't work? I keep getting ./hello.sh: command not found |
| 15:28 | <Guspaz> | Did you make the file executable? |
| 15:28 | <jforman> | streety: chmod +x $file |
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| 15:31 | <v0lksman> | is it possible to have a disk image transferred from one account to another? |
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| 15:33 | <streety> | Thanks jforman - that solved it. No idea what I did different this time but at least it's solved now |
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| 15:42 | <linbot> | New news from forums: large postgres database in Performance and Tuning <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3915>; |
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| 15:53 | <v0lksman> | I think this is the least amount of traffic I've ever seen in here...where is everyone? |
| 15:53 | <Scott_> | sleep. |
| 15:53 | <Scott_> | one sec v0lksman i saw something a few days ago that be of interest |
| 15:54 | <Scott_> | http://library.linode.com/linode-manager/copy-disk-image-over-ssh |
| 15:54 | <v0lksman> | psh...who needs to sleep? I thought Linode staffers were all robots.... |
| 15:54 | <TJF> | they all get quiet when I show up |
| 15:54 | * | caker dumps core |
| 15:55 | <Battousai> | many linode staffers are about to get snowed in again |
| 15:55 | <@caker> | TJF: I'm wearing the shirt today :) |
| 15:55 | <azaghal> | Please flush and wash your hands. |
| 15:55 | <TJF> | caker: no way, i'm wearing a ruby one |
| 15:55 | <azaghal> | You can use gSoap if need be. |
| 15:55 | <v0lksman> | oh...they are all outside shovelling...forgot about that... :) |
| 15:55 | <Scott_> | I'm so tired of snow. |
| 15:56 | <v0lksman> | thanks Scott_, will pursue... |
| 15:56 | <tjfontaine> | TJF: hey love |
| 15:56 | <tjfontaine> | I promise I've been doing right by the name |
| 15:56 | <TJF> | tjf.2 ^5 |
| 15:57 | <tjfontaine> | there's another tj that shows up in here from time to time |
| 15:57 | <tjfontaine> | I've yet to converse with them though |
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| 15:57 | <TJF> | hmm |
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| 15:57 | <TJF> | that's scary |
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| 15:59 | <mwalling> | there was a long time i thought you two were the same |
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| 16:05 | <linbot> | New news from forums: optimized httpd.conf for 720 linode on centos 5.4 x64 in Performance and Tuning <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5174>; |
| 16:05 | <Jake> | So I'm comparing lnode Slicehost. |
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| 16:06 | <Jake> | *cough* Linode to Slicehost. |
| 16:06 | <@caker> | Jake: and what have you discovered? |
| 16:06 | <Jake> | Anyone wanna point me to a discussion of who's better and why? |
| 16:06 | * | Jake blushes trying to sort that out |
| 16:07 | <TJF> | linode is better, because they use irc |
| 16:07 | <Jake> | Heh, yes, IRC FTW... |
| 16:07 | <@caker> | Jake: Linode gives you more resources for the money, faster hardware, more features, a better API, SSH based console, 5 facilities, 32 OR 64 bit distros, etc, etc |
| 16:07 | <@pparadis> | and there is this --> http://bit.ly/62uHjm |
| 16:07 | <Scott_> | Yeah... more ram ftw |
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| 16:08 | <TJF> | linode's customer support is legendary |
| 16:08 | <Scott_> | I thought slicehost was rackspace's VPS provider now? |
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| 16:08 | <Jake> | Caker,checking out the artcle now... |
| 16:08 | <@pparadis> | Jake: we also have an extensive set of sysadmin/user guides here: http://library.linode.com/ |
| 16:08 | <Jake> | Scott_, they are owned by Rackspace, yes. |
| 16:08 | <cheesefactory> | Hey All, one of our linode is getting hammered right now (blog post was on the digg home page) Its running apache with a rails app that is heavily cached and a WP install (where all the traffic is going I assume). I can't even SSH in to the app, let alone pull up the site. Any uh, tips? :) |
| 16:09 | <thegodlikehobo> | Scott_: slicehost is a subsidary of racskpace, "cloud servers" is a rackspace division based on slicehost technology |
| 16:09 | <@caker> | cheesefactory: reduce MaxClients and disable keepalives |
| 16:09 | <@pparadis> | cheesefactory: have you checked out WPSuperCache? |
| 16:09 | <cheesefactory> | caker: good call.. I'll do that as soon as I can SSH into the app. I'll check out WPSuperCache too |
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| 16:09 | <@pparadis> | cheesefactory: this has worked really well for me --> http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/wp-super-cache/ |
| 16:10 | <cheesefactory> | awesome |
| 16:10 | <TJF> | does lish still work? |
| 16:10 | <tjfontaine> | why wouldn't it? :) |
| 16:10 | <@caker> | he means for cheesefactory |
| 16:11 | <tjfontaine> | caker> tjfontaine: ENOCONTEXT |
| 16:11 | <tjfontaine> | just say that next time :) |
| 16:11 | <Jake> | pparadis: Awesome |
| 16:11 | <@pparadis> | thank you :) |
| 16:12 | <cheesefactory> | TJF: tried to start the Lish Ajax console - Out of memory: |
| 16:12 | <cheesefactory> | I guess thats the problem |
| 16:12 | <Jake> | pparadis: YOu know I mean the article, I assume! |
| 16:12 | <thegodlikehobo> | Jake: i know a few folks in here have used slicehost in the past. as for a few reasons i prefer linode: more memory, diskspace, and bandwidth for your money, and zomg wtf lish. |
| 16:12 | <@pparadis> | Jake: yes indeed |
| 16:13 | <Guspaz> | cheesefactory: I blame Apache ;) |
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| 16:13 | <thegodlikehobo> | also linode has been churning out new features as of late, while slicehost has sort of stagnated in the "new shiny stuff" deparment |
| 16:13 | <Jake> | thegodlikehobo: Concise... thanks! |
| 16:13 | <TJF> | also, they have an iPhone app |
| 16:13 | <@pparadis> | cheesefactory: you may want to stop apache temporarily while you make changes to your config files, and then get the WP plugin installed shortly thereafter |
| 16:14 | <cheesefactory> | pparadis: can't access the server at all |
| 16:14 | <@pparadis> | you can try a reboot and see if you can get in real quick |
| 16:14 | <Guspaz> | Reboot and kill Apache. |
| 16:14 | <@pparadis> | if not, you can change your config profile to boot single user and then reboot normally after you edit your files |
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| 16:14 | <Guspaz> | Then try to tweak the apache config file and start it up again. |
| 16:14 | <@pparadis> | that's what i said :) |
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| 16:16 | <Jake> | caker, pparadis, thegodlikehobo: That's it. This IRC channel, the article and your testimonies. Another Linode customer, coming up! |
| 16:16 | <@pparadis> | welcome aboard! |
| 16:16 | <Jake> | :) |
| 16:17 | <Scott_> | Is there any chance of a BlackBerry app anytime soon? |
| 16:17 | <cheesefactory> | pparadis, by config profile do you mean a setting in the Linode panel? |
| 16:18 | <@pparadis> | cheesefactory: yes. on the dashboard, click the link for your configuration profile (usually named whatever distro you deployed) |
| 16:18 | <@caker> | !8ball |
| 16:18 | <linbot> | caker: Of course. |
| 16:18 | <@caker> | Scott_: --^ |
| 16:18 | <@pparadis> | cheesefactory: then under "Run Level" select init=/bin/bash |
| 16:19 | <cheesefactory> | pparadis, aha- I see it |
| 16:19 | <Scott_> | =D |
| 16:19 | <@pparadis> | cheesefactory: reboot, and use the console to access your system |
| 16:19 | <cheesefactory> | pparadis, many thanks! |
| 16:19 | <@pparadis> | no problem at all |
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| 16:37 | <Guspaz> | Hmm, he cited the testimonials... of the owner of Linode and a staffmember :P |
| 16:37 | <Guspaz> | Not exactly unbiased ;) |
| 16:38 | <@pparadis> | huh. he also cited the performance review and this channel. |
| 16:39 | <Guspaz> | Yes, I just found it amusing that he confused you and caker for customers :P |
| 16:39 | <@caker> | hahahahahahhahahahahahhaaa http://twitter.com/RecipesFree/statuses/8871630415 |
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| 16:39 | <@jed> | yeah baby |
| 16:39 | <@caker> | stupid twitter bots |
| 16:39 | <@jed> | that's the Wordpress Robot thing I see in banner ads in google reader |
| 16:39 | <@jed> | heh -> http://cookingrecipebox.com/linode-blog-»-introducing-stackscripts/ |
| 16:39 | <Guspaz> | Wow... Linode on a cooking blog :P |
| 16:40 | <@pparadis> | mmmmmmm linodes, delicious |
| 16:40 | <@pparadis> | i like mine baked |
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| 16:42 | <Big-Mama> | Hi. How do I get an SVN trunk, like this: http://opel.openshell.no/svn/repos/ircbot/trunk/ on my Linode? |
| 16:42 | <thegodlikehobo> | Guspaz: and my testimonial as well! and i don't work for anyone, let alone linode :p |
| 16:42 | <Scott_> | Big-Mama svn co |
| 16:42 | <Big-Mama> | Svn co? How do I set that up on a Linode? |
| 16:42 | <Guspaz> | You check out the stuff from subversion like you would on any other Linux box. |
| 16:42 | <Scott_> | install svn and then checkout the repo |
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| 16:43 | <Big-Mama> | okey :) |
| 16:43 | * | caker is checkouting |
| 16:43 | <Guspaz> | caker checks out urmom |
| 16:43 | <@caker> | Scott_: checkout is not a verb! |
| 16:43 | <@pparadis> | !library svn |
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| 16:44 | <linbot> | pparadis: 1. Introduction to Subversion (http://library.linode.com/development/version-control-systems/svn) - 2. Version Control Systems (http://bitl.in/xn4e8) - 3. Manage Projects with Redmine on Debian 5 (Lenny) (http://bitl.in/p8miz1) |
| 16:44 | <Scott_> | idc :D |
| 16:44 | <@caker> | I'm not surprised. |
| 16:44 | <Guspaz> | Does anything surprise you? |
| 16:45 | <mwalling> | caker: checkout is a verb |
| 16:45 | <mwalling> | in the language of svn.exe |
| 16:45 | <TheFirst> | context is everything |
| 16:46 | <mwalling> | cleanup is a verb too |
| 16:46 | <@pparadis> | mwalling: what is this exe you speak of? |
| 16:46 | <mwalling> | pparadis: windows shop baby |
| 16:46 | <@pparadis> | that is very :( |
| 16:46 | <mwalling> | nah, its very <3 |
| 16:46 | * | pparadis buys mwalling a real operating system |
| 16:46 | <mwalling> | i have one |
| 16:47 | * | Guspaz spends all day writing ASP.NET code on Windows XP at work |
| 16:47 | <mwalling> | actually i have an MSDN subscription, so i have many |
| 16:47 | <@pparadis> | i'll admit that i don't find windows server stuff that awful, but i sure as heck wouldn't leave a linux/mac job to work on those systems |
| 16:47 | <mwalling> | oh, windows server? blech |
| 16:48 | <@pparadis> | well, if you're talking about workstation stuff, that's straight out :{ |
| 16:48 | <mwalling> | yes, i'm going to click on this snap in... and um... click over here... and um... |
| 16:48 | <mwalling> | pparadis: but its javurs, its cross platform! |
| 16:48 | <@pparadis> | OH GOD NO |
| 16:48 | <mwalling> | no, its not that bad |
| 16:48 | <@pparadis> | java: runs like crap everywhere ;) |
| 16:48 | <mwalling> | not if you do it right |
| 16:48 | * | mwalling points at eclipse |
| 16:48 | <@pparadis> | true, just done wrong so often |
| 16:49 | <TheFirst> | java runs well? that's why it kills a system with mem leaks after a few hours? |
| 16:50 | <mwalling> | again, not if you do it right. |
| 16:50 | <TheFirst> | er eclipse |
| 16:50 | <@pparadis> | there are a great many badly coded apps in any language |
| 16:50 | <mwalling> | *cough php cough* |
| 16:50 | <@Perihelion> | <3 Java |
| 16:50 | <@caker> | pparadis: NO, IT'S JAVA'S FAULT |
| 16:50 | <@pparadis> | hehehe |
| 16:50 | <tjfontaine> | bad jvaur |
| 16:50 | <TheFirst> | crap! screwed up my own complaint |
| 16:51 | <mwalling> | thanks Perihelion |
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| 16:51 | <@Perihelion> | :) |
| 16:52 | <Guspaz> | Azureus has probably gone a long way toward convincing the public that Java is a bloated pile of crap. Then again, maybe the general public does't know that Azureus is a Java app. |
| 16:53 | <Guspaz> | Not saying that Java is a bloated pile of crap, only that Azureus is. |
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| 16:54 | <tjfontaine> | we likes the jvm, just not the javurs |
| 16:55 | <mwalling> | we hate the java morons |
| 16:55 | <@jed> | we hates them, precious |
| 16:55 | <mwalling> | like coworkers who insist statements are faster then prepared statements |
| 16:55 | <tjfontaine> | fuck them |
| 16:55 | <tjfontaine> | let them get sql injected |
| 16:56 | <Guspaz> | mwalling's coworkers also insist that I'm faster than urmom. |
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| 16:56 | <axod> | no 540s in NJ :( |
| 16:56 | <Guspaz> | Not for a while now. |
| 16:56 | <Guspaz> | Weeks, IIRC? |
| 16:56 | * | Perihelion consoles axod |
| 16:57 | * | axod sobs uncontrollably |
| 16:57 | <Guspaz> | axod: Could always get a 720 and resize to a 540 later. |
| 16:57 | <Guspaz> | !avail-nj |
| 16:57 | <linbot> | Guspaz: Newark360 - 1, Newark540 - 0, Newark720 - 5, Newark1080 - 4, Newark1440 - 2, Newark2880 - 1, Newark5760 - 1, Newark8640 - 1, Newark11520 - 0 |
| 16:57 | <axod> | true, true |
| 16:57 | <Guspaz> | Wow, slim pickins in NJ in general. |
| 16:57 | <axod> | might be best idea for now |
| 16:57 | <Guspaz> | Could also upsize from a 360 later. |
| 16:57 | <spkitty> | ooh a 360 in NJ, i should buy that and then sell it to the highest bidder |
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| 16:58 | <axod> | my 360 is the one I need to size up |
| 16:58 | <@caker> | axod: hold a sec |
| 16:59 | <axod> | it's not urgent, but I was gonna try+ do it tonight or tomorrow morn |
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| 16:59 | <@caker> | ah, ok, well .. I just opened one :) |
| 16:59 | <Scott_> | Is there any chance of getting more room in Fremont? |
| 16:59 | <axod> | ah cool :) |
| 16:59 | <mwalling> | Scott_: bring electricity |
| 16:59 | <@caker> | !8ball |
| 16:59 | <linbot> | caker: One would be wise to think so. |
| 16:59 | <@caker> | Scott_: --^ |
| 16:59 | <Scott_> | ._. |
| 17:00 | <@caker> | yes, we're working on Fremont availability. |
| 17:00 | <tjfontaine> | persistently |
| 17:00 | <Scott_> | I read somewhere that the actual datacenter was full. |
| 17:00 | <Scott_> | I assumed you used all your space there. |
| 17:00 | <Guspaz> | Ooh, caker has a private reserve. Axod, you're getting one from his personal stash ;) |
| 17:00 | <tjfontaine> | where full is defined as "At electrical capacity" |
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| 17:01 | <@caker> | we're switching from 60Hz to 120Hz, thereby doubling the horsepower |
| 17:01 | <@caker> | it's gonna be awesome |
| 17:01 | <mwalling> | *blink* |
| 17:01 | <Guspaz> | caker: How will that affect torque? |
| 17:02 | <Big-Mama> | caker: You own. |
| 17:02 | <mwalling> | caker: just for that, i'm going to setup something |
| 17:02 | <@caker> | \o/ |
| 17:02 | * | pparadis backups |
| 17:02 | <axod> | yup got it thanks caker :) |
| 17:02 | <Guspaz> | My linode can do 0-60 in 0.83ms |
| 17:03 | <charlie> | caker, I *really* like StackScripts, good job (to you and/or whoever is reponsible ;-) |
| 17:03 | <@caker> | thanks! :) |
| 17:03 | <axod> | yeah those look like a great addition |
| 17:03 | * | jforman must read up about what makes caker so hot right now |
| 17:04 | * | Guspaz refrains from making another urmom joke |
| 17:04 | <charlie> | definitely going to use linode from now on for my projects and such. being able to automatically spin up a server with the exact configuration and software that I want is going to be awesome |
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| 17:04 | <Big-Mama> | And it's available in London :D |
| 17:05 | <Big-Mama> | I love Linode<3 |
| 17:06 | <Twayne> | I love Linode so much you hate it |
| 17:06 | <mwalling> | i love your mom so much... |
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| 17:06 | <Big-Mama> | Damn, I can't get this subversion to work. |
| 17:07 | <Big-Mama> | I followed the guide. |
| 17:07 | <Big-Mama> | And I made a repo in var/www/svn |
| 17:07 | <Big-Mama> | However, all I want is a simple /trunk. |
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| 17:09 | <Big-Mama> | Can anyone assist me? |
| 17:11 | <axod> | Big-Mama: what isn't working? |
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| 17:12 | <Big-Mama> | I created the repo. |
| 17:12 | <Big-Mama> | Now I want to add my project-files. |
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| 17:12 | <Big-Mama> | I placed my repo here: http://michael.mypets.ws/svn/ |
| 17:12 | <Big-Mama> | In /var/www/svn and called it tinkerbot. |
| 17:13 | <axod> | do you need to use http based svn? |
| 17:13 | <axod> | FWIW I always found it a complete PITA |
| 17:14 | <mwalling> | eh? i like it over svn:// |
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| 17:14 | <axod> | ssh+svn is nicer |
| 17:14 | <Big-Mama> | Yes, I know, but I would like http svn. |
| 17:14 | <Guspaz> | Last time Iset up SVN, I set up ssh+svn |
| 17:14 | <Guspaz> | It just made everything easier. |
| 17:14 | <Big-Mama> | I don't have access to ssh all the time. |
| 17:14 | <axod> | ah it's been years since I did that. webdav eugh things yuck eugh |
| 17:14 | <MetaCosm> | Big-Mama, you setup all the webdev stuff? |
| 17:14 | <Guspaz> | Big-Mama: If you have access to HTTPS, you almost certainly have access to SSH. |
| 17:15 | <Guspaz> | If you just want to browse your source over the web, that's what web-based SVN clients are for. |
| 17:15 | <Big-Mama> | I don't have access to secure http. |
| 17:15 | <Big-Mama> | Port 80 only. |
| 17:15 | <Guspaz> | Wow, that's restrictive. |
| 17:15 | <Big-Mama> | Thats my scenario. |
| 17:15 | <Big-Mama> | Yes. |
| 17:15 | <Guspaz> | Half the net is broken to you. |
| 17:15 | <Big-Mama> | Yeah, welcome to my world. |
| 17:15 | <Big-Mama> | Anyway. |
| 17:16 | <Big-Mama> | I would like to browse my source over the web, yes. |
| 17:16 | <Big-Mama> | How would I proceed to import my source code into svn? |
| 17:16 | <Guspaz> | httptunnel? :P |
| 17:16 | <Big-Mama> | No thanks :P |
| 17:17 | <axod> | just run ssh on port 80? |
| 17:17 | <Guspaz> | Presumably he wants a webserver. |
| 17:17 | <Big-Mama> | Please, I want to use http :) |
| 17:17 | <@pparadis> | Big-Mama: http://websvn.tigris.org/ |
| 17:17 | <Guspaz> | If he wanted to do that he'd need to pay for a second IP |
| 17:17 | <axod> | true |
| 17:17 | <Guspaz> | pparadis: That's not really going to let him easily check files in/out |
| 17:18 | <@pparadis> | the library guide includes http access |
| 17:18 | <@pparadis> | !library svn |
| 17:18 | <linbot> | pparadis: 1. Introduction to Subversion (http://bitl.in/qerk) - 2. Version Control Systems (http://bitl.in/pc6) - 3. Manage Projects with Redmine on Debian 5 (Lenny) (http://bitl.in/lt2z) |
| 17:18 | <Big-Mama> | I will be able to use ssh once in a while. |
| 17:18 | <axod> | Big-Mama: the howto guides should see you through if you really need http svn |
| 17:18 | <@pparadis> | Guspaz: what were you saying about needing a second ip? |
| 17:18 | <Guspaz> | pparadis: axod's suggestion was to run SSH on port 80, but if Big-Mama wants to run a web server, running SSH on port 80 would require a second IP. |
| 17:19 | <@pparadis> | word |
| 17:19 | <Big-Mama> | Yeah. |
| 17:19 | <Guspaz> | Also, port-80-only implies a proxy too. |
| 17:19 | <Guspaz> | SSH on port 443 works only because the proxy will forward any traffic on port 443 untouched. |
| 17:19 | <Guspaz> | Because you can't proxy HTTPS |
| 17:19 | <axod> | I'd sooner die than only have port 80 proxied access to the net :/ |
| 17:19 | <Guspaz> | So running SSH on port 80 wouldn't get you anywhere. |
| 17:19 | <@pparadis> | Guspaz: unless you don't have your web server listening on 443 |
| 17:20 | <Guspaz> | axod: Meh, just run a VPN through httptunnel. Boom, unrestricted net access. |
| 17:20 | <@pparadis> | but you should just use svn via http and a web-based app for browsing your repos |
| 17:20 | <axod> | slow irritating, etc :/ meh |
| 17:20 | <streety> | I'm fairly sure I've got a working https svn setup working - what are you stuck with? |
| 17:20 | <Big-Mama> | Hmm.. |
| 17:20 | <Big-Mama> | How do I install this? |
| 17:20 | <Big-Mama> | http://websvn.tigris.org/servlets/ProjectDocumentList?folderID=0&expandFolder=0&folderID=0 |
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| 17:20 | <Guspaz> | Slow depends on the methods used by the particular HTTP tunneling software. Some of it can be very low latency and high throughput. |
| 17:21 | <axod> | idk I don't trust web proxies |
| 17:21 | <Guspaz> | If it's one-request-per-packet, yeah, slow. If it's neverending-transfers, it can be fast. |
| 17:21 | <axod> | they're not very clever and usually mess up everything |
| 17:22 | <Guspaz> | At that point it's just forwarding data like any other thing that forwards data does. |
| 17:22 | <@pparadis> | Big-Mama: you might find this useful as well --> http://www.usvn.info/ |
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| 17:22 | <Guspaz> | I'm not saying that I like them, axod, just that there are ways around them. |
| 17:22 | <axod> | sure, didn't know such things existed TBH |
| 17:23 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 17:23 | <axod> | I only know how much proxies have irritated me in general in the past lol |
| 17:23 | <Guspaz> | Short of whitelist-only access, it's impossible to completely block out tunneling out. |
| 17:23 | <Guspaz> | There are even methods for tunneling with DNS. |
| 17:23 | <Guspaz> | Yes, DNS> |
| 17:23 | <axod> | yeah I've seen that @dns |
| 17:23 | <streety> | Big-Mama, according to my notes I followed this guide: http://wiki.slicehost.com/doku.php?id=install_and_setup_apache_with_ssl_and_subversion |
| 17:23 | <axod> | nice for airport wifi etc |
| 17:23 | <axod> | clever |
| 17:23 | <Guspaz> | The DNS approach, though, is kind of iffy and slow. |
| 17:23 | <Guspaz> | I'd rather just use an http tunnel. |
| 17:24 | <Guspaz> | Think websockets, but instead of mibbit on one end, it's a VPN app forwarding TCP :P |
| 17:25 | <linbot> | New news from forums: Bandwidth overages vs 2nd linode in Sales Questions and Answers <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5175>; |
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| 17:44 | <bss> | that dnstunnel looks quite clever |
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| 17:45 | <streety> | does anyone know of an alternative to wget which allows mirroring and allows you to accept and reject files based on the query string? |
| 17:46 | <@jed> | rsync? |
| 17:46 | <@jed> | pretty sure rsync can exclude based on a regex |
| 17:47 | <@jed> | --exclude-from is swank, too |
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| 17:48 | <Napta> | I presume he wants to do HTTP gets though |
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| 17:48 | <@jed> | eh, probably cURL then |
| 17:48 | <Napta> | curl isn't recursive |
| 17:48 | <Napta> | :( |
| 17:48 | <Napta> | shame really |
| 17:48 | <streety> | yep, it's http |
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| 17:48 | <Napta> | streety: probably bob's perlscript on some random site |
| 17:48 | <@jed> | they haven't added recursion to cURL yet? |
| 17:48 | <Napta> | jed: not afaik |
| 17:48 | <@jed> | shame indeed |
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| 17:49 | <Napta> | streety: check pastebin(s) ;) |
| 17:49 | <Napta> | sort of dumpster diving for code, hah |
| 17:49 | <Napta> | trashing! |
| 17:50 | <streety> | I was hoping for something relatively mature. Even setting it up to get just the pages I want it will still be about 5000 pages |
| 17:50 | <Napta> | I bet you could do it with two lines of python, or one line of ruby |
| 17:50 | <Napta> | or one (rather long) line of perl |
| 17:51 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 17:51 | <streety> | lol, not the way I code |
| 17:51 | <Napta> | hahaha |
| 17:54 | <MetaCosm> | streety, curlmirror.pl |
| 17:54 | <MetaCosm> | I believe is an easy to mod version of what you want |
| 17:55 | <Twayne> | <('@')> |
| 17:55 | <thegodlikehobo> | (ﾟωﾟ) |
| 17:56 | <Guspaz> | Is there a reason that an alternative to wget is needed? It does a pretty good job with mirroring. |
| 17:56 | <Guspaz> | There are a zillion different options. |
| 17:56 | <Twayne> | thegodlikehobo: you are my offical nemesis |
| 17:57 | <Twayne> | it's like you wait around to trump me everyday |
| 17:57 | <thegodlikehobo> | i think you just have bad timing :p |
| 17:58 | <Guspaz> | thegodlikehobo's thing looks like pedobear. |
| 17:58 | <streety> | I want to mirror a phpbb forum, I want to grab each thread but each post in each thread has a unique link which is being crawled as well. I can exclude based on filename with wget but not the query variables |
| 17:58 | <streety> | I'll check on curlmirror |
| 17:59 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 17:59 | <Twayne> | lol. yes it does |
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| 18:06 | <leaf_> | adsasdas |
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| 18:10 | <streety> | Scrapy is looking like a possible |
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| 18:15 | <MetaCosm> | why are you trying to grab a forum? |
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| 18:29 | <streety> | The forum is run a some crappy shared hosting so having the entire site searchable apparently breaks it. I was going to copy the forum (using a big delay between requests) and then create a search facility for it |
| 18:31 | <streety> | getting a dump of the database would be a lot easier but there are a number of issues why that is problematic |
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| 18:49 | <The-spiki> | hello, any of the "operators" online for a 2 minute chat, it's kinda emergency for me |
| 18:49 | <tjfontaine> | emergencies are best handled by tickets |
| 18:50 | <The-spiki> | ok |
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| 18:53 | * | Yaakov writes tjfontaine a ticket for exceeding the lame limit. |
| 18:54 | <tjfontaine> | I am super lame |
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| 18:54 | <Yaakov> | L4M3 in a L337 zone. |
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| 19:30 | <erikh> | oh, well that's amusing |
| 19:31 | <erikh> | I guess I was pretty hungry, because i'm scrating my neck here and a chunk of quiche the size of my thumb drops off my shirt collar |
| 19:31 | <erikh> | I guess $wife should be proud |
| 19:31 | <erikh> | or embarassed. |
| 19:31 | <BarkerJr> | http://i.imgur.com/o8jCW.png |
| 19:32 | <Yaakov> | Actually, if you left a piece that big behind, you couldn't have been very hungry. |
| 19:32 | <erikh> | got up, put my coat on, had a smoke, came in here, took my coat off and even farted around a little bit before it happened, too |
| 19:32 | <erikh> | that's one persistent quiche |
| 19:32 | <Yaakov> | You didn't need to mention that you farted. |
| 19:32 | <Yaakov> | Really. |
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| 19:34 | <erikh> | heh |
| 19:34 | <erikh> | $wife's comments: "so were you saving that for later?" |
| 19:34 | <Yaakov> | erikh: You need to listen to Vic and Sade. |
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| 19:38 | <erikh> | ?! |
| 19:38 | <erikh> | also, apparently god has dandruff again, and feels it necessary for me to clean up after him |
| 19:39 | <erikh> | which is when the downside of telecommuting becomes extremely apparent. |
| 19:40 | <sub> | no snowdays, huh? ;) |
| 19:41 | <erikh> | internet still works |
| 19:41 | <erikh> | I still work |
| 19:41 | <erikh> | meh |
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| 19:56 | <amitz> | will all those snow will make oil price goes up or down? building heating vs. car's gas? |
| 19:56 | <amitz> | omit that first will. |
| 19:59 | <Yaakov> | amitz: "That snow". |
| 19:59 | <Yaakov> | amitz: "Snow" is a singular entity. |
| 20:06 | <charlie> | Is there a StackScript moderation process? |
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| 20:21 | <Savoy> | how much ram do you guys think a static site with about 10k uniques a day requires? occasionally hitting 50k a day, using nginx |
| 20:22 | <tjfontaine> | 360 should work |
| 20:23 | * | caker votes 32M |
| 20:23 | <bd_> | if it's totally static, I'd think the sheer amount of static data would be more relevant |
| 20:23 | <bd_> | (if it fits entirely in cache, you can take just about any amount of traffic) |
| 20:23 | <Savoy> | bd_: around 800 thousand pages |
| 20:24 | <bd_> | can I have that in mb? :) |
| 20:24 | <Savoy> | lemme guesstimate |
| 20:24 | <@tasaro> | in case anyone wanders in here questioning the semi-new transfer pooling/billing info, http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=27076#27076 should answer it |
| 20:25 | <Savoy> | around 2-3 gigs |
| 20:25 | <bd_> | hm okay, so it depends more on access patterns then |
| 20:25 | <Savoy> | yes |
| 20:25 | <bd_> | which 'uniques' doesn't even begin to cover |
| 20:25 | <bd_> | basically you don't want more than a handful of cache misses per second |
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| 20:26 | <bd_> | if you have a 'long tail' effect going on that's probably not too much of an issue |
| 20:26 | <Savoy> | well, links from the main page get around 80% of the traffic. |
| 20:26 | <bd_> | if your traffic is evenly distributed, however, then you'll have to look at worst-case throughput |
| 20:26 | <amitz> | tasaro: insentive to buy moar linodes ;-) |
| 20:26 | <Savoy> | long tails would be around 20% |
| 20:26 | <amitz> | s/insentive/incentive/ |
| 20:26 | <bd_> | okay, so let's assume 20% cache misses then |
| 20:26 | <bd_> | what's the access rate at peak time? |
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| 20:27 | <Savoy> | i have days where i get hit with the equivalent of being on digg's front page.. |
| 20:27 | <amitz> | Yaakov: ah, I see. hey, allow me to introduce you to #english ;-) |
| 20:27 | <bd_> | Savoy: on those days is most of that abnormal traffic directed to a small set of pages? because we're not really concerned about cache hits - you can take tons of cache hits without a problem |
| 20:28 | <Savoy> | bd_: true, but thats my worst case scenario, getting tons of traffic to a specific page, which is fairly common |
| 20:28 | <Savoy> | very uncommon is getting lots of hits to the long tail pages.. |
| 20:28 | <bd_> | that's a best case scenario for caching :) |
| 20:28 | <Yaakov> | amitz: Your lack of interest in improving your English is noted. I won't make that mistake again. |
| 20:29 | <bd_> | so the question then is if the long tail page access rate will exceed disk IO capacity |
| 20:29 | <bd_> | which brings us back to - what's the traffic rate, in pages/second, on a typical day? |
| 20:29 | <Savoy> | bd_: i'd say the long tail pages only get with a few hundred maybe tens hits per hour |
| 20:29 | <bd_> | er, at peak time on it |
| 20:29 | <bd_> | okay, then no problem :) |
| 20:29 | <bd_> | with that kind of access pattern you _shouldn't_ need much ram |
| 20:30 | <Savoy> | the main ones however, could be 20k-30k an hour.. |
| 20:30 | <bd_> | the goal is to just get 99%+ of your accesses to never hit the disk |
| 20:30 | <bd_> | yeah, but those main ones will stay in RAM, which is nice and fast |
| 20:30 | <Savoy> | sweet.. |
| 20:30 | <bd_> | as long as those main ones take up less than 200MB or so, a 360 should be plenty |
| 20:31 | <bd_> | Note that this all assumes static serving only. Dynamic pages get trickier. |
| 20:31 | <Savoy> | well, what the users get fed are static.. i use php to generate a static snapshop HTML version that they see.. |
| 20:32 | <bd_> | sure, but the users aren't directly triggering PHP code to run, is the issue |
| 20:32 | <Savoy> | they are not |
| 20:32 | <bd_> | if the users are connecting _directly_ to PHP then you need to figure a lot more memory usage for active connections, even if they're hitting hot data |
| 20:33 | <bd_> | but if it's all batch stuff then just run it off-peak (or on another box) and be happy :) |
| 20:33 | <Savoy> | awesome.. |
| 20:33 | <Savoy> | im new to nginx and caching, so its good to know |
| 20:33 | <bd_> | well, this caching applies to just about any webserver |
| 20:34 | <bd_> | although some webservers are worse on memory usage (hi, apache!) |
| 20:34 | <Savoy> | btw, is there any notable differences in choosing memcached over xcache in this scenario? |
| 20:35 | <bd_> | er, neither of those apply in this scenario |
| 20:35 | <Savoy> | from what i know, memcached is for larger operations, yes? |
| 20:35 | <bd_> | I'm just assuming built-in Linux disk caching |
| 20:35 | <Savoy> | ah |
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| 20:35 | <bd_> | xcache is a PHP opcode cacher which is only of use on dynamic sites, and reduces time spent parsing PHP code. It's not relevant if you're only serving static data |
| 20:35 | <Savoy> | so just disk caching will be capable, sweet. |
| 20:36 | <bd_> | likewise, memcached is for manual management of cached data - usually from a database, or pre-rendered data, etc. It's also not relevant, as the Linux cache will do everything you need for plain old static files |
| 20:36 | <bd_> | There's really nothing special you need to do - the cache will be there and running the moment you boot :) |
| 20:36 | <Savoy> | interesting |
| 20:36 | <Savoy> | thats what i was going to ask next.. hahah |
| 20:36 | <Savoy> | not even tweak it? |
| 20:37 | <bd_> | Well, it'll automatically get any memory that's not being used for something else |
| 20:37 | <amitz> | Yaakov: it's more like an opportunity to help people who need help in #english but *shrug* |
| 20:37 | <bd_> | If you type 'free -m', the buffers and cached columns are what you're interested in |
| 20:37 | <erikh> | you could always throw something like varnish in front of it |
| 20:37 | <bd_> | There are some knobs, but most people shouldn't need to tweak it. |
| 20:37 | <erikh> | if you wanted a pure-memory cache |
| 20:37 | <erikh> | but bd_ is probably right |
| 20:37 | <bd_> | erikh: Would that really be helpful in this case? varnish uses the page cache as well as a backing mechanism |
| 20:38 | <erikh> | it's simpler than a squid rev-proxy |
| 20:38 | <bd_> | varnish is more for dynamic resources, or those loaded from another host... |
| 20:38 | <bd_> | Well, squid is also unnecessary |
| 20:38 | <erikh> | to configure |
| 20:38 | <bd_> | Remember, this is all static data, served up through a lightweight webserver |
| 20:38 | <erikh> | right |
| 20:38 | <bd_> | these explicit caching proxies are either for: |
| 20:38 | <bd_> | 1) Dynamic data |
| 20:38 | <erikh> | I thought he mentioned he'd been hit already and that wasn't enough |
| 20:38 | <bd_> | 2) Data from off-host |
| 20:38 | <bd_> | 3) Heavyweight webservers like apache |
| 20:39 | <erikh> | so I was thinking 1) load balance or 2) basically mmap the serving process |
| 20:39 | <erikh> | varnish would be a simply configured answer to #2 |
| 20:39 | <bd_> | erikh: He gets traffic spikes to specific static files, which is an optimal situation for the normal, builtin page cache |
| 20:39 | <erikh> | I presume you mean the kernel VM cache |
| 20:39 | <bd_> | erikh: yeah, but it's not off-host, so now varnish is competing with the backing files for memory, which is not good |
| 20:39 | <bd_> | yes, page cache = VM cache |
| 20:40 | <erikh> | well, in a web context "page cache" can be a number of things :) |
| 20:40 | <Savoy> | virtual memory? swap? |
| 20:40 | <bd_> | Savoy: the VM system covers more than just swap |
| 20:40 | <bd_> | it basically covers anything to deal with managing memory usage, which includes the disk cache |
| 20:40 | <erikh> | pretty sure the last OS to not use a VM system to manage all memory aspects was DOS |
| 20:40 | <bd_> | erikh: Well, it had smartdrive... |
| 20:41 | <erikh> | bd_: it also had doublespace |
| 20:41 | <erikh> | let's not be giving any credit out no |
| 20:41 | <erikh> | w |
| 20:41 | <bd_> | anyway DOS was more of a glorified bootloader really :) |
| 20:41 | <erikh> | anyhow, yeah, nginx can probably handle a sizable chunk of traffic on static data |
| 20:41 | <erikh> | so if you're still bombed, get a load balancing configuration |
| 20:42 | <erikh> | (and 2+ machines) |
| 20:42 | <bd_> | *nod* |
| 20:42 | <erikh> | on static content a DNS RR would probably suffice |
| 20:42 | <erikh> | (and save purchasing and configuring even more resources) |
| 20:42 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 20:42 | <Savoy> | well if im still getting bombed, i'd probably be best on a dedicated, right? lol |
| 20:42 | <bd_> | Well, from the sound of it most of his traffic's going to be cache hits so I doubt he'll have much of a problem |
| 20:43 | <erikh> | Savoy: you'd be surprised how much pain a linode can take |
| 20:43 | <erikh> | and unless you're serving gigs of files a hit, the choke point, disk i/o, will probably not be an issue |
| 20:43 | <bd_> | Savoy: If you're still bombed, S3 or something might be worth looking into |
| 20:43 | <Savoy> | i dont think i'll still be bombed after this.. |
| 20:44 | <bd_> | you shouldn't be :) |
| 20:44 | <Savoy> | im getting bombed with my current vps, liquidweb on apache with a cpanel installed :| |
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| 20:44 | <bd_> | ouch, apache is not what you want for that kind of load :/ |
| 20:45 | <Savoy> | yeah.. often times the page just lags tremendously, hahah.. |
| 20:45 | <bd_> | $MAXCLIENTS modem users and everything grinds to a halt :) |
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| 20:46 | <Savoy> | well, i'll go for the 540, need the extra HD space anyways |
| 20:46 | <Savoy> | thought maybe i'd be needing more than that, but apparently not :O |
| 20:47 | <bd_> | the IO load is all that matters :) |
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| 20:48 | <Savoy> | gotcha |
| 20:53 | <Savoy> | thanks for the help |
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| 21:17 | <amitz> | what?! VS_ChanLog didn't rejoin as scheduled. |
| 21:18 | <Peng> | Usually it parts, too. I guess the bot needed to be restarted or something. |
| 21:18 | <Bdragon> | amitz: Yeah it did, you desynced or something? |
| 21:18 | <Bdragon> | [2010-02-09 20:15:02 CST][2010-02-09 20:15:02 CST] * VS_ChanLog (~stats@ns.theshore.net) has joined #linode |
| 21:19 | <Peng> | Bdragon: Either your connection is laggy or your clock is 5 seconds fast. :D |
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| 21:19 | <Bdragon> | Peng: Well I am A) on satellite, and B) free-running my clock |
| 21:19 | <Peng> | \o/ |
| 21:19 | <ambiate> | I just hit the big times baby |
| 21:19 | <Bdragon> | So it's both :P |
| 21:19 | <amitz> | Bdragon: nah, just expecting a good game today *cough*chesty*cough* |
| 21:20 | <Bdragon> | I saw dat :P |
| 21:20 | <ambiate> | 1% of that 200gb quota used, one foot in the door, 99% to go. |
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| 21:22 | * | caker takes us to warp 5.2 |
| 21:23 | <Bdragon> | But yeah, that wasn't the normal rotation, usually the quit is Rotating Logs |
| 21:23 | <bss> | engage |
| 21:26 | <thegodlikehobo> | captain caker, travelling at fractional warp factors is quite energy inefficient |
| 21:27 | <@caker> | engineering: MOAR POWER! |
| 21:27 | <@tasaro> | 80% |
| 21:27 | <@caker> | hehe |
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| 21:35 | <linbot> | New news from forums: My sshd was bruteforced! in General Discussion <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5158>; |
| 21:36 | <pheezy> | tsk tsk |
| 21:36 | <Yaakov> | She can't take this much longer, caker. |
| 21:37 | * | thegodlikehobo reroutes power from Yaakov's quarters to the interial dampeners |
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| 21:39 | <Yaakov> | caker: I suggest we reconfigure the forward sensor array to emit a pulsed tachyon beam into the rift. |
| 21:43 | <Yaakov> | The warp drives are off line, all we've got is impulse power! |
| 21:43 | <Yaakov> | We have THREE warp drives. |
| 21:43 | <pheezy> | i wonder if linode staff uses puppet? |
| 21:43 | <Yaakov> | All offlined. |
| 21:43 | <Yaakov> | They have a Barney hand puppet that handles calls... |
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| 21:57 | <bss> | also, the linode iphone application is great |
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| 21:59 | <jtsage> | huh. unrelated hardware question - i just bought a spiffy new tv with dvi in. alas, my dual head desktop already has all the holes filled up (PCIe) card. can I drop in a slightly older pci card as well for a third output? (can they coexist?) (ubuntu if it's a question of os support) |
| 21:59 | <bd_> | in principle, yes |
| 21:59 | <bd_> | provided the OS supports it |
| 21:59 | <jtsage> | bd_ - so, plug it in, see what happens sort of deal? |
| 22:00 | <bd_> | pretty much :) |
| 22:00 | <bd_> | nothing will catch fire |
| 22:00 | <bd_> | * - note: I am not responsible if it does catch fire |
| 22:00 | <jtsage> | fair enough. i'll give it a shot in a bit. |
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| 22:00 | <purrdeta> | bd_: Omg its burninggggg |
| 22:00 | <jtsage> | i just remember that agp was pretty exclusive and didn't play well with others. and it's been about that long since i've built a machine |
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| 22:02 | <sbyrne> | Does Linode run any dns caches in Dallas? |
| 22:02 | <bd_> | resolver[12].dallas.linode.coom |
| 22:02 | <sbyrne> | bd_: Thank you. |
| 22:03 | <jtsage> | thanks bd |
| 22:04 | <sbyrne> | On the DNS Manager, the option to enable or disable AXFR is for other servers getting the zone from ns[12].linode.com, not for linode replicating the zone from the configured masters, right? |
| 22:06 | <amitz> | jtsage: debian _suppose_ to work. |
| 22:06 | <amitz> | oh wait jtsage, |
| 22:06 | <Yaakov> | "Debian's supposed to work." |
| 22:06 | <amitz> | do you want to extend the desktop or having 3 indentical output? |
| 22:07 | <jtsage> | amitz- i actually wouldn't be opposed to going the xinerama route if i do this... ideally, i want to be able to watch viddy on the "third" screen |
| 22:07 | <jtsage> | but yes, extend, not clone |
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| 22:09 | <amitz> | Yaakov: as for the "output", yeah "outputs" :-p. about "suppose", you must admit that "is supposed" is rarely said thus I didn't expect a trap there. "'s supposed" is more common. |
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| 22:10 | <Peng> | sbyrne: Right. |
| 22:10 | <Yaakov> | amitz: But then you have to add the contracted "is" to the end of Debian, as I did. |
| 22:11 | <wastrel> | i had a bowl of cereal |
| 22:11 | <Peng> | sbyrne: In the manager, your node's network page lists the DNS resolvers you should use, though it's probably just the 2 bd_ mentioned. |
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| 22:11 | <amitz> | jtsage: IIRC, debian uses xrandr and can <order> a certain monitor to be on left, right, top, bottom, of another monitor. But the video card must be supported by xrandr. PS: not sure about <order(s)> :-p |
| 22:12 | <amitz> | Yaakov: yeah, I was just giving justification to that particular mistake ;-) |
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| 22:13 | <Yaakov> | THERE IS NO JUSTIFICATION |
| 22:14 | <rsdehart> | ONLY ZUUL |
| 22:14 | <amitz> | jtsage: anyway, ignore me. I think my knowlege of multiple-heads is not integrated enough to be of any use despite dealing with it in the past. |
| 22:15 | <jtsage> | i'm actually looking at hardware now. on closer inspection, i have a PCIe x1 slot open too... |
| 22:16 | <pharaun> | multi-head on linux can be a major bitch |
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| 22:17 | <jtsage> | pharaun- true. running dual now (same card). i've never played with multiple cards, and now i'm just interested... |
| 22:17 | <tacticus> | pharaun: which is unfortunate cause i really want to build a triple monitor nix work box at home |
| 22:17 | <pharaun> | i think same card should be ok, iirc if both card drivers support xrandr it works |
| 22:17 | <pharaun> | but if its a nvidia + other card |
| 22:17 | <pharaun> | it BLOWS |
| 22:18 | <pharaun> | I got an 30" and a 20" in dual head setup, and it blew to get it all setup, and even so I still can't "rotate" my 20" so its vertical cuz of the way the nvidia driver does it |
| 22:18 | <pharaun> | the basics wasn't too bad really, its the "advanced" or multi-cards setup that blows imho |
| 22:19 | <jtsage> | i'm using an ATI card now. if i buy something, I'll make sure it is also ATI - i'd expect that should help |
| 22:19 | <pharaun> | jtsage: it really depends on the driver |
| 22:19 | <pharaun> | if its the open sourced one |
| 22:19 | <pharaun> | eh |
| 22:19 | <jtsage> | i had a nvidia card in the old machine, I was never really all that happy with it |
| 22:19 | <pharaun> | as long as it does xrandr should be ok |
| 22:19 | <pharaun> | but if its a closed source, that will blow |
| 22:19 | <pharaun> | I had an intel card, i loved that it was open sourced drivers |
| 22:19 | <pharaun> | but i just couldn't do *SHIT* 3d wise so i end up going nvidia |
| 22:20 | <pharaun> | but nvidia basically replaces a large part of the x11 stack, which on both side, makes it "perform better" but on the other side |
| 22:21 | <pharaun> | good luck getting that sucker setup with other cards |
| 22:21 | <amitz> | Yaakov: I spend an extra 30 seconds or so to send the previous message :-p |
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| 22:21 | <amitz> | argh, _spent_ |
| 22:22 | <Yaakov> | amitz: I don't know what your native language is but I do know that you speak English many orders of magnitude better than I speak it. |
| 22:22 | <Yaakov> | That is, "it" meaning "whatever your native language is." |
| 22:22 | <Yaakov> | Not "it" meaning "English". |
| 22:23 | <SelfishMan> | !selfishman |
| 22:23 | <linbot> | http://noobfarm.org/viewquote.php?id=1505 |
| 22:23 | <amitz> | of course :-) |
| 22:24 | <SelfishMan> | vote it up, I just did something else stupid |
| 22:25 | <amitz> | Note to self: If I have kids, I will expose them to as many languages as possible. |
| 22:26 | <SelfishMan> | amitz: at times I feel guilty for corrupting you but then I realize that now you are better prepared for the rest of the world |
| 22:28 | <amitz> | SelfishMan: at times I feel guilty for corrupting urmom but then I realize that now urmom is better prepared for the rest of the world. <- I hope I don't disappoint you. |
| 22:28 | <pharaun> | xD |
| 22:28 | <SelfishMan> | I'm...so...proud |
| 22:29 | * | SelfishMan weeps |
| 22:30 | * | amitz hugs SelfishMan while crawling into his pocket. |
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| 22:36 | <chesty> | keep your stupid comments in your pocket |
| 22:39 | * | amitz is searching for any old message usable to reply back. |
| 22:42 | <chesty> | google keep your stupid comments in your pocket |
| 22:44 | <amitz> | chesty: ah, I see. hey, allow me to introduce you to #english ;-). |
| 22:45 | <chesty> | is there an #australian? |
| 22:45 | <Trystan> | bloody oaf! |
| 22:46 | <@Perihelion> | ! |
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| 23:07 | <dannyyss> | hrllo |
| 23:08 | <dannyyss> | hello |
| 23:11 | <Trystan> | hi |
| 23:13 | <linbot> | New news from forums: Fremont Linode Availability in Sales Questions and Answers <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5173>; |
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| 23:29 | <linbot> | New news from forums: What program do I need? in Email/SMTP Related Forum <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5085>; |
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| 23:34 | <mwalling> | k, done trolling the forums |
| 23:34 | <mwalling> | Linode[TheCat] wants me to pet him |
| 23:35 | <chesty> | pray some catnip on his tail |
| 23:35 | <chesty> | spray |
| 23:35 | <tjfontaine> | TROLL |
| 23:35 | * | tjfontaine breaks out the killzor |
| 23:35 | <mwalling> | chesty: he doesnt have a tail |
| 23:36 | <mwalling> | frost bite amputation |
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| 23:37 | <chesty> | ouch |
| 23:37 | <chesty> | can he run and jump ok? |
| 23:37 | <mwalling> | haha |
| 23:37 | <mwalling> | yeah |
| 23:38 | <mwalling> | !web title http://vimeo.com/7873286 |
| 23:38 | <linbot> | mwalling: Linode[TheCat] vs. The Box on Vimeo |
| 23:40 | <mwalling> | i swear, there was no catnip involved in the making of that movie |
| 23:40 | <mwalling> | wait, spray? my catnip looks like oregenao |
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| 23:41 | <chesty> | but if you pound it in a mortar (is that the correct word?) it becomes a juice |
| 23:42 | <mwalling> | yeah, i think its the right word |
| 23:44 | <Trystan> | mortise actually |
| 23:45 | <mwalling> | !moran |
| 23:45 | <mwalling> | damn |
| 23:45 | <chesty> | ah, that looks better |
| 23:45 | <Trystan> | mmm guess it depends, seems mortar is used in some places as well |
| 23:45 | <mwalling> | Trystan: i'm the one caker convinced that "moron" was spelled "moran" |
| 23:45 | <chesty> | but it is |
| 23:45 | <mwalling> | can it, moran |
| 23:46 | <Trystan> | mwalling: i might start using that, in context, and see who says anything |
| 23:46 | <mwalling> | we use it at work |
| 23:46 | <mwalling> | it got added to robocop's badword list |
| 23:47 | <mwalling> | (robocop is our regex based code checker, checks for bad habits (not following 1TBS, writing to stdout/stderr w/o using a logger, etc) and bad words |
| 23:47 | <@jed> | Please put down your weapon. You have 20 seconds to comply. |
| 23:48 | <mwalling> | it got implimented after someone (i wont say who) committed code that had newline braces, and obsenities being written to system.out |
| 23:48 | <mwalling> | (i was having a very bad day) |
| 23:48 | <wastrel> | what's 1TBS |
| 23:49 | <mwalling> | 1 true brace style |
| 23:49 | <wastrel> | oh my |
| 23:49 | <mwalling> | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indent_style#Variant:_1TBS |
| 23:50 | <mwalling> | we're starting fresh, trying to combine our different hodgepodge products together into one amazing sauce. we're trying to do it right this time |
| 23:50 | <@jed> | 1TBS is the only way |
| 23:50 | <@jed> | there is no other indent style. |
| 23:51 | <mwalling> | PEP8 |
| 23:51 | <mwalling> | that is all. |
| 23:51 | <wastrel> | pls what's PEP8 now |
| 23:51 | <mwalling> | (my car is down, so C drove me home from the FH. that means that i didn't need to restrain myself at the keg) |
| 23:51 | <@jed> | http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0008/ |
| 23:51 | <@jed> | python style guide |
| 23:51 | <mwalling> | http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0008/ |
| 23:51 | <@jed> | Laid down by God himself. |
| 23:52 | <wastrel> | wait python doesn't use braces |
| 23:52 | <mwalling> | ... |
| 23:52 | <mwalling> | where the hell have you been? |
| 23:53 | <wastrel> | i feel like PEP8 and 1TBS don't belong in the same discussion |
| 23:53 | <mwalling> | wastrel: they do when beer is also involved |
| 23:54 | <mwalling> | wastrel: i'll save you asking http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beer |
| 23:55 | <mwalling> | yingling is an amazing beer BTW |
| 23:55 | <mwalling> | its awesomeness/$ factor is quite good, which makes up for the taste, when you can buy a half for $102 |
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