| --- | Log | opened Mon Feb 08 00:00:09 2010 |
| --- | Day | changed Mon Feb 08 2010 |
| 00:00 | <@jed> | wow, SirSquidness: you're off more :) |
| 00:00 | <bob2> | SirSquidness: eh? |
| 00:00 | <bob2> | SirSquidness: I think you'll find it is pool.ntp.org that needs to sync to ME |
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| 00:00 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 00:00 | <pharaun> | lol |
| 00:00 | <SirSquidness> | haha |
| 00:01 | <SirSquidness> | I'd sync to you any day ;P |
| 00:01 | <Pryon> | get a room |
| 00:01 | <pharaun> | really need to tweak my qos rules, the pictures uploading is really crushing my ack inbound *sigh* |
| 00:01 | <bob2> | anyway, offset 0.002043 sec |
| 00:02 | <bob2> | so nyeh |
| 00:02 | <Pryon> | !newercalc 0.002043 s * 3E10cm/s |
| 00:02 | <linbot> | Pryon: 6.129x10^7 cm (centimeters) |
| 00:02 | <amitz> | SirSquidness: more complicated, still digesting. |
| 00:02 | <bob2> | unites are correct, it must be right! |
| 00:03 | <Pryon> | astrophysicists use cms for some reason |
| 00:03 | <Pryon> | it's a little strange |
| 00:03 | <Pryon> | er |
| 00:03 | <Pryon> | cgs |
| 00:04 | <Pryon> | (depends on context, really, but anyway) |
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| 00:09 | <amitz> | my twitter account worths US$2! I hope I didn't put my twitter account into spammers' (<-praise me) database. |
| 00:10 | <amitz> | forgot, http://whatsmytwitteraccountworth.com/ |
| 00:10 | <sub> | I like http://www.charleshooper.net/twitter/ - I am biased |
| 00:10 | -!- | Smark[Gone] is now known as Smark |
| 00:10 | <sub> | But not all twitter spammers are evil, I promise ;) |
| 00:11 | * | Pryon sends a complimentary dose of Ritalin to all twitterers |
| 00:11 | <amitz> | sub: interesting concept. |
| 00:13 | <amitz> | but trying to connect to my account?! I mean, can't it just see my tweet publically? I don't dare. |
| 00:13 | <sub> | I have to otherwise I use up my limit of API calls |
| 00:14 | <amitz> | sub: ah, I see. oh, I just got it, about the bias :-p |
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| 00:31 | <Peng> | bob2: You're +2 ms? Yuuck! |
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| 00:33 | <Peng> | bob2: Do you run NTP on a Linode? Does it act as a server? Is it in the pool? What's the hostname? Can I add it to my secret list? :D |
| 00:36 | <jtsage> | hehe |
| 00:36 | <bob2> | yes, yes, no, no, no |
| 00:36 | <bob2> | is there any point having linodes in a pool? |
| 00:36 | <jtsage> | about a dozen of us think so :) |
| 00:37 | <jtsage> | (at last informal count) |
| 00:37 | * | Peng gets out list! |
| 00:37 | <Peng> | I know of 10 nodes in the pool. Run by about 8 people total. |
| 00:38 | <Peng> | There was another, but it went away, sadly. |
| 00:38 | * | jtsage feels despair |
| 00:39 | <Peng> | bob2: I'm still going to add you to my list! |
| 00:40 | <Peng> | bob2: What do you mean by "a pool"? |
| 00:42 | <Peng> | bob2: Wait...do you mind if I just add "bob2" to my secret list, even if I don't know the hostname? |
| 00:43 | <jtsage> | df -h; rm a*; panic, check current pwd of command. i hate that. |
| 00:44 | <Peng> | Fortunately, it's called "/bin", not "/ain". |
| 00:44 | <Peng> | (wait, that wasn't -r anyway) |
| 00:45 | <jtsage> | even better, it was in the right path :) |
| 00:46 | <jtsage> | i have a little rss spider that caches things. and apparently, i don't have a cleanup script for it. so i now have a directory full of 7Gb of rss feeds. ugly. |
| 00:47 | <Peng> | jtsage: I have good news! While I do not have car insurance, Deep Space starts in 15 minutes! |
| 00:47 | <Peng> | Nice. |
| 00:47 | <jtsage> | hehe |
| 00:47 | <Peng> | I had an app run /tmp out of inodes once (yay ext3), but nothing has ever used a ton of disk space. |
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| 00:49 | <jtsage> | this was caching to /tmp. that didn't last long. apparently i moved the location, but didn't bother to activate the cleanup (oops). fix that after i manage to nuke all these... (rm * - argument list too long. no, really?) |
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| 00:50 | <Peng> | Heh, rm on all of that stuff took a long time. |
| 00:51 | <erikh> | jtsage: export PS1="\w\$" |
| 00:51 | <erikh> | that should help for next time. |
| 00:52 | <jtsage> | erikh- http://jtsage.com/sshot/prompt2.png it's way prettier than that (and yes, i *did* waste a whole evening on that) |
| 00:52 | <erikh> | and if you don't know what path you're in, it's pointless |
| 00:52 | <erikh> | :) |
| 00:53 | <jtsage> | true - i just didn't look at it before hitting enter. bad habits |
| 00:53 | <erikh> | I remember creating prompts like that for my BBS back in the day |
| 00:54 | <@jed> | zsh++ |
| 00:54 | <jtsage> | ah. then you'll probably appreciate this (way more than one evening wasted on this) http://sord.jtsage.com/ |
| 00:54 | <linbot> | New news from forums: Who dat! in /dev/random <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5167>; |
| 00:54 | <erikh> | jed++ |
| 00:54 | <bob2> | Peng: bananas |
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| 00:55 | <erikh> | damnit, rumai crashed again |
| 00:55 | <erikh> | brb. |
| 00:58 | <erikh> | I wonder if vbox is doing something with my input that wmii doesn't like. |
| 00:58 | <purrdeta> | jed++ |
| 00:58 | <purrdeta> | !urmom |
| 00:58 | <linbot> | purrdeta: Yo momma's so old she's almost as old as Yaakov! (795:9/1) [mmuro] |
| 00:59 | <erikh> | %(0?..[fail:%?])%(1j.[jobs:%j].)[%h] %n@%m %2~%# |
| 00:59 | <erikh> | is what I'm using on zsh. |
| 01:00 | <Peng> | jtsage: It just started! |
| 01:00 | <jpp> | I've got a question regarding my second linode. |
| 01:00 | <jpp> | Basically, I just added a linode to act as my standalone MySQL server |
| 01:01 | <jpp> | (My main site is currently on MediaTemple, but I'm transitioning everything over to linode and I want to do things a bit smarter - hence separating the DB from the webserver.) |
| 01:01 | <jpp> | My main linode is 32 bit Ubuntu. I am trying to decide between 32 bit and 64 bit for the DB server. |
| 01:02 | <bob2> | does the new linode have more than 860 of ram? |
| 01:02 | <bob2> | er MB |
| 01:02 | <jpp> | The DB itself is ~2GB, and I'm starting with a small node (probably somewhere between 360-1440 for the DB server, once I point the main site at it) |
| 01:03 | <jpp> | So the new one does not currently have 860MB, but once it takes over as the main DB server, I'll probably have to upgrade it to a plan that has around that much. |
| 01:03 | <jpp> | Why 860MB, by the way? Anything special about that for 32-vs-64 bit? |
| 01:04 | <jtsage> | Peng - i just turned it on. something to fall asleep to :) |
| 01:04 | <Peng> | jtsage: Why would you want to fall asleep to _that_? I'd rather fall asleep to happy romance. |
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| 01:04 | <Peng> | Well, sometimes. |
| 01:05 | <jtsage> | it really doesn't matter to me much - as long as it's noise. i can't sleep at all during a power outtage - i at least need the hum of a fan going |
| 01:06 | <@Perihelion> | ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNO TOAD |
| 01:06 | <@Perihelion> | (It was said on tv, naturally it needed to be said here) |
| 01:06 | <bob2> | clap...clap...clap...clap |
| 01:06 | <@jed> | THE HYPNO TOAD |
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| 01:09 | <Peng> | I am _terrible_ at searching bug databases. It took me this long to find the /tmp issue I mentioned. |
| 01:10 | <sungo> | is there a country where it's legal for me to wish bad things upon people who packet servers to death? |
| 01:11 | <bob2> | all the ones that don't have a psicorps |
| 01:11 | <jtsage> | heh |
| 01:12 | <erikh> | sungo: nigeria? |
| 01:12 | <sungo> | apparently, I'm a rich man in nigeria. |
| 01:13 | <erikh> | I got a 419 scam in my Mass Effect 2 in-game inbox |
| 01:13 | <erikh> | that and an online retailer of male enhancement products |
| 01:13 | <sungo> | yeah. that amused the crap out of me |
| 01:13 | <erikh> | "is your wife leaving you for a krogan?" |
| 01:14 | <sungo> | penny-arcade had it right. when you first opened that mail client, for the first time in 2 years, it should have read "You have 2341341234234 new messages" |
| 01:14 | <erikh> | hahaha. |
| 01:14 | <blognewb> | hey guys |
| 01:14 | <erikh> | no kidding. |
| 01:15 | <blognewb> | can you guys peep around this page/site and check which cms was used to build it? http://www.beatthegmat.com/mba/getting-started |
| 01:15 | <blognewb> | it's not drupal.. i don't think it's wordpress |
| 01:15 | <bob2> | read the html |
| 01:16 | <bob2> | the answer is in the head block |
| 01:16 | <bob2> | or they're deliberately misleading you |
| 01:16 | <erikh> | any half-decent cms can look like any other to a user anyhow |
| 01:16 | <erikh> | that's the *point* |
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| 01:17 | <jpp> | Their orange banner looks exactly like the one on Stack Overflow... |
| 01:18 | <blognewb> | i guess it's wp |
| 01:18 | <bob2> | in the sense that it says it is WP? |
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| 01:20 | <jpp> | WP 2.8.4, no less. |
| 01:21 | <linbot> | New news from forums: Considering moving to Linode, need suggestions in Sales Questions and Answers <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5150>; |
| 01:22 | <blognewb> | jpp: how'd you know the version? |
| 01:22 | <SelfishMan> | it is wp |
| 01:22 | <blognewb> | i only checked the stylesheet |
| 01:22 | <bob2> | man |
| 01:22 | <bob2> | read the html |
| 01:22 | <SirSquidness> | <meta name="generator" content="WordPress 2.8.4" /> |
| 01:22 | <blognewb> | i guess it's my browser |
| 01:22 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 01:22 | <blognewb> | oh there it is lol |
| 01:22 | <bob2> | blognewb: edit -> view source |
| 01:22 | <blognewb> | ya i ctrl u'd |
| 01:22 | <SelfishMan> | <!-- Cached page generated by WP-Super-Cache on 2010-02-07 22:16:01 --> |
| 01:23 | <blognewb> | thanks! |
| 01:23 | <purrdeta> | I cant figure out why irssi keeps dying if my session times out but not if I close the window properly |
| 01:23 | <blognewb> | sorry i am too excited |
| 01:23 | <purrdeta> | someone said something about nonblock but that doesnt seem to help |
| 01:23 | <bob2> | dying? |
| 01:23 | <bob2> | it crashes? |
| 01:23 | <SirSquidness> | purrdeta: are you running it in a screen session? |
| 01:23 | <SelfishMan> | purrdeta: screen |
| 01:23 | <purrdeta> | yes |
| 01:24 | <purrdeta> | I am not stupid kiddos |
| 01:24 | <purrdeta> | I run it in screen |
| 01:24 | <blognewb> | anyone here who used to be hosted by VPSLink? any tips? |
| 01:24 | <purrdeta> | and if I close the session properly, it is fine... but if my network fails or something that disconnects me from SSH that way, irssi pings out from places |
| 01:25 | <SirSquidness> | The network fails and drops your SSH... this is the same network that IRSSI uses to connect? |
| 01:25 | <purrdeta> | no |
| 01:26 | <purrdeta> | Let me start over and try not to fail miserably :P |
| 01:26 | * | tacticus pokes SirSquidness |
| 01:27 | <purrdeta> | I run irssi in screen. If my connection from Home -> linode craps out for whatever reason and I get disconnected from SSH that way, screen and irssi will freak out and irssi will ping timeout. If I disconnect properly such as by pressing the lovely X button in putty there is no problem |
| 01:28 | <bob2> | how old a screen and irssi is it? |
| 01:28 | <bob2> | on etch and woody I used to have that happen ocassionally |
| 01:28 | <purrdeta> | I'm on Arch linux and they are most recent available in the repo |
| 01:29 | <jpp> | Anyone have any ballpark figures on how much more RAM 64-bit MySQL requires vs 32-bit? I am inclined to install a 64-bit OS on my MySQL-dedicated linode because I anticipate crossing the 3-4GB RAM threshhold within the next 18 months, but would love to hear others' opinions. |
| 01:29 | <bob2> | that's probably reason enough |
| 01:29 | <purrdeta> | I cant construct myself a google query to figure this out :/ |
| 01:30 | <jpp> | :-) Glorious. Thanks, bob2. Was basically looking for permission to do a 64-bit install. :-) |
| 01:30 | <bob2> | heh |
| 01:31 | <purrdeta> | I may have figured it out. |
| 01:31 | <purrdeta> | so we will see |
| 01:32 | <Peng> | It's not like we're 32-bit nazis. It's just that it's not worth the RAM cost in many situations. In yours, it may be. :) |
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| 01:37 | <@jed> | I hate 32-bit nazis |
| 01:38 | <purrdeta> | for me, it isnt worth the RAM cost :) |
| 01:38 | <purrdeta> | At least not until I become famous and need gigs of ramz |
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| 02:00 | <amitz> | osmosis... part of you always going in and going out. |
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| 02:07 | <sungo> | screen++ |
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| 02:08 | <amitz> | screen+++ <- I hope Twayne doesn't see this :-p. |
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| 02:10 | <aaronpk> | amitz: so it's better to write more code to delete records that have many FK relationships than have the mysql engine do it automatically? |
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| 02:12 | <amitz> | aaronpk: oh, better let FK does it for you. I was just being picky :-p |
| 02:12 | <purrdeta> | hmm I cant decide if I just wanna be lazy and use a CMS to make this website I need or to like... do it myself and waste a lot of time but learn |
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| 02:13 | <amitz> | but then you have to deal with the error handling over the built-in error handling, which you may or may not like. *shrug* |
| 02:14 | <aaronpk> | hm, well i may start using FK constraints with cascading delete soon. |
| 02:14 | <amitz> | aaronpk: for programming neatness purposes, and I was being picky again :-p |
| 02:14 | <aaronpk> | i'm pruning a database manually right now, and adding constrants because I don't want to write all the SQL in my SQL client. |
| 02:15 | <aaronpk> | anyway, your tweet earlier today inspired me to make this: http://www.flickr.com/photos/aaronpk/4339597570/ |
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| 02:17 | <osmosis> | amitz, yah, bad connection. cell phone tether actually. i think its when 3G tower resets. |
| 02:17 | <amitz> | aaronpk: yeah, saw that. But I'm just critizing superbowl, not the holy awesome Superbowl. Hail Superbowl, the greatest sport in the world! :-p |
| 02:17 | <aaronpk> | of course |
| 02:17 | <amitz> | osmosis: probably something to do with your nick name :-p |
| 02:18 | <amitz> | purrdeta: I guess depends on... many things? ;-) |
| 02:18 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 02:18 | <purrdeta> | lol |
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| 02:18 | <purrdeta> | brilliant answer ;) |
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| 02:19 | <amitz> | Thank you, just remember the consulting fee. :-D |
| 02:19 | <purrdeta> | hehe :D |
| 02:21 | <aaronpk> | purrdeta: it totally depends on the kind of website it is |
| 02:22 | <aaronpk> | and how it needs to be updated in the future |
| 02:22 | <purrdeta> | *shrug* |
| 02:22 | <erikh> | lots of FKs can make a database really slow |
| 02:22 | <erikh> | just be wary |
| 02:23 | <purrdeta> | It is mostly for recording the radio show I am on and then making it podcastlike |
| 02:23 | <erikh> | also, you can easily trap yourself into dependency loops. |
| 02:23 | <erikh> | a requires b which requires c which requires.. a |
| 02:23 | <osmosis> | amitz, time passes and heat disperses. 2nd law of thermodynamics. |
| 02:24 | <aaronpk> | purrdeta: just use wordpress with a really simple theme |
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| 02:27 | <amitz> | osmosis: then the end of the word, nobody can moves :-p |
| 02:28 | <purrdeta> | hmm possible... I dunno what else they want on it soooo I'll have to ask |
| 02:28 | <amitz> | aaronpk: basically the dependency loops happen if you create the rule _after_ populating the database. |
| 02:29 | <aaronpk> | well that is certainly the situation i am in. i've got over 2 years of data here, and i'm discovering a lot of tables have orphaned rows since their parents have been deleted at some point |
| 02:29 | <amitz> | but cmiiw erikh and others. |
| 02:29 | <erikh> | cmiiw? |
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| 02:29 | <amitz> | correct me if i'm wrong |
| 02:29 | <erikh> | what the heck is this new-fangled jibba jabba |
| 02:30 | <erikh> | the dependency loop is a problem when you try to delete the record |
| 02:30 | <erikh> | not when you create it. |
| 02:31 | <aaronpk> | i can definitely see how it would be possible to create a dependency loop. i think the trick would be to not create the relationships when that may occur |
| 02:31 | <amitz> | aaronpk: yeah, my mistake, should have warned you about that :-p. But btw, not all, or probably no database have the option to enforce the rule you just created. Better check. |
| 02:31 | <erikh> | right.. the point I was trying to make was to be judicial |
| 02:31 | <erikh> | alright |
| 02:31 | <erikh> | story time |
| 02:31 | <aaronpk> | amitz: yea i had to write some sql to delete from table where id not in (select id from parent table etc) |
| 02:31 | <erikh> | so once, I was working at a large company and we had a big database with lots of tables and columns and foreign keys |
| 02:32 | <erikh> | the database managed multiple sites |
| 02:32 | <erikh> | but with very similar data; so there was a "sites" table. |
| 02:32 | <erikh> | anyhow, one day we were done with a test site we were using when we were just getting the multiple site functionality off the ground, so we decided to delete it |
| 02:32 | <erikh> | and delete it I did |
| 02:33 | <erikh> | but in sql*plus, see, autocommit isn't the default |
| 02:33 | <amitz> | erikh: yeah, the problem become evident when you try to delete. But if you populate a database and the FK you created doesn't cause dependency loop, then no operation can be created (without violating FK) such that a dependency loop violation happens. |
| 02:33 | <erikh> | so I deleted it, forgot to commit, and happily joined my coworkers for a nice, long lunch |
| 02:33 | <erikh> | after cascading across about 20 tables and locking most of them |
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| 02:33 | <erikh> | naturally, when I got back, the director of our team was standing over my desk ready to kill me |
| 02:34 | <erikh> | it tried to delete several million rows that were testing data :) |
| 02:34 | <erikh> | (and left it in an open transaction) |
| 02:34 | <aaronpk> | fun times |
| 02:34 | <amitz> | erikh: s/loop,/loop at that moment of time,/ |
| 02:34 | <aaronpk> | sounds reversible tho |
| 02:34 | <erikh> | yes, as soon as you terminate hte transaction, it initiates a rollback |
| 02:34 | <erikh> | say goodbye to your database for a good 10 minutes |
| 02:35 | <erikh> | at least back then, on reasonably-sized sun hardware |
| 02:35 | <amitz> | erikh: nice screw up, adding to your collection of bedtime stories ;-) |
| 02:35 | <erikh> | eh |
| 02:35 | <amitz> | I mean, |
| 02:35 | <erikh> | it the one I save for 3nf fanatics |
| 02:35 | <aaronpk> | hahaha |
| 02:35 | <erikh> | I have a better one for denormalization ones. |
| 02:36 | <amitz> | you will be grandchildren's favorite grandpa ;-) |
| 02:36 | <erikh> | only if they want many reasons never to get into IT. |
| 02:36 | <amitz> | hahah |
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| 02:41 | <Clorith> | Happy now ? |
| 02:41 | <erikh> | NO |
| 02:41 | <aaronpk> | very |
| 02:41 | <Clorith> | Excellent. |
| 02:45 | <Clorith> | Now, shoutcast on linux...why won't it work? |
| 02:45 | <purrdeta> | use icecast |
| 02:45 | <purrdeta> | its better |
| 02:45 | <Clorith> | I got the files, I edited the config, but it keeps telling me sc_serv no such file...when I'm looking at the file |
| 02:46 | <Clorith> | icecast you say? Easy to use ? |
| 02:50 | <amitz> | hmm perhaps I can tell a story of mine... |
| 02:50 | <purrdeta> | I like it and was easy or me |
| 02:50 | <purrdeta> | for* |
| 02:51 | <Clorith> | well, aptitude had ap ackage for it :D |
| 02:51 | <Clorith> | shame it didn't ask me to configure though =( |
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| 02:52 | <amitz> | My parents' car was hit by a hit-and-run when parked in front of their house. It's hit with such a force that it has moved around 10 meters (30 feets) from its position, with parking brake on. The culprit run away. But |
| 02:54 | <amitz> | suddenly the very next day, a representative of the driver came forward and claim responsibility for everything. He probably changed his mind but we're sure that he didn't do it out of feeling responsible. He did it because he knew he would be caught soon. |
| 02:55 | <amitz> | Because he left a clue to who he was. Anybody care to guess what clue he left on the accident place? ;-) |
| 02:55 | <SirSquidness> | His car. |
| 02:55 | <Clorith> | His car. |
| 02:55 | <amitz> | SirSquidness: not that moronic, but quite moron. Well, not a moronic clue but it was quite a funny clue ;-) |
| 02:55 | <aaronpk> | his license plate? |
| 02:56 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 02:56 | <amitz> | aaronpk: YEP! lol |
| 02:56 | <SirSquidness> | an imprint of his lincense plate in the back of your parent's car? |
| 02:56 | <aaronpk> | winnar |
| 02:56 | * | amitz gives cookie to aaronpk . |
| 02:56 | * | aaronpk noms cookie only if it is of the HTTP variety |
| 02:57 | * | amitz gives aaronpk a cookie from paris hilton's PC. |
| 02:57 | <Peng> | Oh, the movie is ending. I didn't really watch any of it. |
| 02:58 | <purrdeta> | amitz: that is amazing |
| 02:58 | <purrdeta> | well |
| 02:58 | <amitz> | That driver was quite crazy. I mean, it was in a residential area. He must have driven like 100km/h or something like that. |
| 02:58 | <Clorith> | meh |
| 02:59 | <Clorith> | my buss driver didn't know how the ticketing system worked |
| 02:59 | <amitz> | He was lucky he didn't die. |
| 02:59 | <Clorith> | he spent 5 minutes on each passenger taking payment, then to make up for lsot time, he was speeding at 120km/h in a 60 zone, downhill, past an elementary school >_> |
| 03:00 | <amitz> | Clorith: naughty driver. You should file a ticket :-p |
| 03:00 | * | aaronpk wishes he could make fun of yall for using km/h but knows that the metric system is better |
| 03:00 | <Clorith> | think the buss ocmpany has me on ignore in every possible way xD |
| 03:01 | <Clorith> | I complain about something on a weekly basis |
| 03:01 | <amitz> | aaronpk: but feet is admittedly quite intuitive. |
| 03:02 | <aaronpk> | intuiwhat? |
| 03:02 | <amitz> | using feet... :-p |
| 03:02 | <aaronpk> | it's not like it's the size of my foot |
| 03:02 | <amitz> | aaronpk: unfortunately. |
| 03:03 | <amitz> | Clorith: less complaining makes a particular complain has stronger effect ;-) |
| 03:04 | <Clorith> | Maybe so, but they deserve to be complained at |
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| 03:05 | <Clorith> | when they schedual 5 busses to hit the same bus stop at the same time, and there's only space for 1 buss, and the other 4 drive past when it's another 2 hours until the next buss... |
| 03:05 | <Clorith> | it's a fucked up system which means I never get home until late =( |
| 03:05 | <aaronpk> | nice |
| 03:05 | <Clorith> | yar |
| 03:05 | <Clorith> | they love me :3 |
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| 03:22 | * | cychie is ready to kick his dns server out the door |
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| 03:23 | * | aaronpk gives cychie a large boot |
| 03:23 | <cychie> | ta! |
| 03:26 | <cychie> | dns is suppose to be a simple protocol |
| 03:27 | <bitmand> | isnt it? :) |
| 03:28 | <hawk> | I'd say it is... |
| 03:28 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 03:28 | <cychie> | lol |
| 03:28 | <amitz> | I have some boots to sell ;-) |
| 03:28 | <cychie> | not when you're using shitty implementations of it no |
| 03:28 | <amitz> | for better kicking |
| 03:29 | <cychie> | time to go back to good old bind |
| 03:32 | <cychie> | I will wait for irgeek, maybe it is something with the linode dns servers |
| 03:33 | <Clorith> | I doubt it's somethign with the linode dns servers xD |
| 03:35 | <cychie> | yeah that is the problem, I doubt it too |
| 03:35 | <cychie> | I just suspect this mydns-ng is rubbish |
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| 03:47 | <RubyPanther> | somehow I managed to bork my lish login... the lish shell works fine, but the screen login doesn't... I'm trying to fix it now while I can ssh normally :) |
| 03:47 | <RubyPanther> | init: Unable to execute "/sbin/getty" for tty1: No such file or directory |
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| 03:48 | <RubyPanther> | I can't figure out why it's trying to run /sbin/getty anyways, the inittab line is unchanged: 0:2345:respawn:/sbin/mingetty tty1 |
| 03:49 | <RubyPanther> | I did switch kernels, I'm hoping that's not a problem :/ but I'm back on the default "Latest 2.6 Stable (2.6.18.8-linode22)" now |
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| 04:01 | <RubyPanther> | I found it's run in /etc/event.d/tty1 which is owned by the initscripts package |
| 04:01 | <RubyPanther> | there isn't a fedora getty package, I wonder if it's safe to switch it to mgetty |
| 04:02 | <RubyPanther> | I guess since it's not working now, what could it hurt? heh |
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| 04:26 | <RubyPanther> | yay! I fixed it by switching /etc/event.d/tty1 to exec mgetty instead |
| 04:31 | <Clorith> | yay! |
| 04:31 | <praetorian> | yay! |
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| 04:40 | <Clorith> | I just found out I need to make some changes to the test system I wrote, yay! |
| 04:42 | <praetorian> | yay! |
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| 04:57 | <Clorith> | I need to debug my code less often |
| 04:57 | <Clorith> | I use silly variables like $bleh and $crap all over |
| 04:58 | <Clorith> | and some of this made it into production on my day off xD |
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| 04:59 | <cynic^> | hah |
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| 04:59 | <tacticus> | Clorith: skills |
| 05:00 | <tacticus> | i have stupid ones like $newthing |
| 05:02 | <Clorith> | that's no fun |
| 05:02 | <Clorith> | best one was when I was pissy at ta client and made $mofo and $stupidass |
| 05:02 | <Clorith> | xD |
| 05:02 | <Clorith> | it was a good day |
| 05:02 | <tacticus> | Clorith: i saw an install script at work that was tailored around a very specific users app |
| 05:02 | <tacticus> | $stupidfuckingusersapp |
| 05:03 | <tacticus> | was one of the variables :) |
| 05:04 | <tacticus> | then again any app that requires a local license server(with usb license key), individual keys and activation |
| 05:04 | <tacticus> | is a bit frakked |
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| 05:19 | <Clorith> | haha, good times |
| 05:19 | <Clorith> | Here's what I hate; IE. |
| 05:19 | <Clorith> | Why? |
| 05:20 | <Clorith> | Because yo ucan't make <input type="button" as a link in an a href line =( |
| 05:20 | <Clorith> | ALL other browsers I've tested so far allows it...and the client DEMANDS links be buttons because iot's "prettier" |
| 05:20 | <Clorith> | *sigh* |
| 05:20 | <bob2> | how awful |
| 05:20 | <bob2> | make him/her read useit.com until they give up |
| 05:20 | <Clorith> | indeed |
| 05:20 | <Peng> | Wait, what do you mean? |
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| 05:21 | <bob2> | links should almost always be just underlined text |
| 05:21 | <Clorith> | Peng, I mean <a href="somelink.php"><input type="button" value="Link button here!"></a> |
| 05:21 | <bob2> | since that's how all sane people do it |
| 05:21 | <Clorith> | yes, but said client != sane. |
| 05:26 | <Clorith> | lunch! |
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| 05:56 | <Clorith> | and we're back! |
| 05:58 | <axod> | who |
| 05:58 | <axod> | and where were we? |
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| 06:02 | <Clorith> | we were having lunch |
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| 06:08 | <@mikegrb> | mmm bacon |
| 06:08 | <axod> | bacon? |
| 06:08 | <@mikegrb> | mmm cake |
| 06:08 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 06:08 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 06:08 | <linbot> | http://www.summerglauonastick.co.uk |
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| 06:15 | <Clorith> | I wish I was having a summer glau on a stick |
| 06:15 | <Clorith> | I did have ham and cheese though :3 |
| 06:15 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 06:17 | <Clorith> | So you can more easily kiss it? :o |
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| 06:18 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 06:18 | <chesty> | SpaceHobo doesn't kiss them, it shoves sticks in them |
| 06:19 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 06:19 | <Clorith> | O_O |
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| 06:24 | <dassouki> | hey all ! |
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| 06:27 | <linbot> | New news from forums: Fopen failed to open stream: Permission denied in Linux, Apache, Mysql and PHP (LAMP) Forum <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5168>; |
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| 06:33 | <steffan> | hi. I've installed and configured Postfix with Courier and MySQL on Debian 5.0 (Lenny) and done the telnet tests in the tutorial which show things are working. I've installed Mutt, but that hasn't created a default config that I can edit to work with the setup I have. has anyone installed Mutt and configured it to work with that tutorial? |
| 06:34 | <Clorith> | "that tutorial" ? |
| 06:39 | <chesty> | you know, that one? |
| 06:42 | <Clorith> | oh right, that one, not THAT one? |
| 06:44 | <stan_theman> | I think he means our tutorial :) http://library.linode.com/email-guides/postfix/postfix-courier-mysql-debian-5-lenny . |
| 06:44 | <stan_theman> | I'm not a mutt guy though |
| 06:54 | <Clorith> | nor am I |
| 07:01 | <steffan> | actually, things are broken anyway: http://p.linode.com/3465 |
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| 07:02 | <steffan> | I think |
| 07:03 | <Wheel> | how can i chenge linuxdist ? on linode |
| 07:03 | <Peng> | Wheel: Make sure you have some free space and then deploy again. |
| 07:03 | <Peng> | Wheel: By free I mean unallocated. |
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| 07:04 | <steffan> | Peng: in the Linode Manager there is a link 'Deploy a Linux Distribution' near to the top of the page |
| 07:04 | <steffan> | Wheel: ^ |
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| 07:08 | <Wheel> | kk |
| 07:09 | <Wheel> | hmms |
| 07:09 | <Wheel> | how do i remove this one then ? |
| 07:09 | <stan_theman> | you can delete it in the Linode Manager |
| 07:09 | <Wheel> | so i can reinstit ? |
| 07:09 | <Wheel> | kk |
| 07:09 | <Wheel> | well bbl |
| 07:09 | <Wheel> | :D |
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| 07:10 | <linbot> | New news from forums: End of the backup beta program? in Backup Service Beta <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5156>; |
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| 07:15 | <linbot> | New news from forums: Faster Switching Between VPSes in Linode Manager in Feature Request/Bug Report <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5169>; |
| 07:18 | <BarkerJr> | that's me :) |
| 07:19 | <BarkerJr> | bhiab |
| 07:20 | <stan_theman> | BarkerJr: so you mean you'd like a link to your other Linodes in each specific Linode page? just for clarification :) |
| 07:21 | <BarkerJr> | yep |
| 07:22 | <BarkerJr> | maybe a dropdown that lists them all with javascript to automatically submit on click |
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| 07:25 | <stan_theman> | BarkerJr: I'll ask around about it here for you. Wouldn't the drop down be just as many clicks? |
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| 07:43 | <BarkerJr> | right, but it wouldn't be a page load |
| 07:43 | <BarkerJr> | I suppose it could be one if you hold down the mouse while selecting the item :) |
| 07:45 | <adnc> | could someone help me with an idea how to collect data for disk activity through /proc/diskstats? |
| 07:45 | <adnc> | how is linode doing this? what math is behind it? |
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| 07:54 | <straterra> | This is exciting..I still havent received my paycheck |
| 07:54 | <Clorith> | always a fun event |
| 07:54 | <straterra> | yeah, when you have bills due on the 10th.. |
| 07:54 | <Clorith> | yar |
| 07:55 | <Clorith> | php is being gay =( |
| 07:55 | <@irgeek> | NEWS FLASH! |
| 07:55 | <Clorith> | O_o |
| 07:56 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 07:56 | <Clorith> | yes, like that =( |
| 07:57 | <@irgeek> | Wow. He is totally copping a feel there. |
| 07:57 | <Clorith> | do you feel that was apropriate to send me at work? :o |
| 07:57 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 07:57 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 07:57 | <Clorith> | but the stuff under isn't xD |
| 07:57 | <linbot> | New news from forums: Who dat! in /dev/random <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5167>; |
| 07:58 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 07:58 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 07:58 | <@irgeek> | Clorith: You're in IRC at work.... does it really matter what pictures you're looking at. |
| 07:58 | <@irgeek> | ? |
| 07:58 | <Clorith> | but of course |
| 07:58 | <Clorith> | since i'm irssi'ing over ssh, and everyone at work is confused by anything non-gui |
| 07:58 | <Clorith> | they're all windows freaks here xD |
| 07:58 | <Clorith> | (except me) |
| 08:00 | <bitmand> | Must be scary environment |
| 08:00 | <Clorith> | sure is |
| 08:01 | <Clorith> | there was this fancy link to some girls that dropped pants and underwear at their final match in the national frisbee competition |
| 08:01 | <Clorith> | xD |
| 08:01 | <Clorith> | aparently they were the highest ranking team? |
| 08:02 | <bitmand> | Clorith: do me a favour - print this out: http://www.aurel32.net/info/debian_arm_qemu_console.png - tonight, tape it on all your coworkers monitors - and watch them go crazy next morning :) |
| 08:03 | <Clorith> | hehe |
| 08:04 | <Clorith> | couldn't you at least have picked a stable release? |
| 08:04 | <bitmand> | haha... completely my bad ;) |
| 08:05 | <Clorith> | now, must figure out why php is acting stupid towards me so I can finish this thing =( |
| 08:06 | <bitmand> | we did something like that in another company I was working - burned 10-15 live CD's, booted all the machines on them .. good fun :) |
| 08:07 | <Clorith> | well, they'd kill me if I restarted their computers xD |
| 08:08 | <Clorith> | we all remote desktop from home whenever we aren't at the office so... |
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| 08:14 | <alexb> | Clorith: I do that too. I'm at work now too :) |
| 08:15 | <Clorith> | excellent! :D |
| 08:15 | <alexb> | except I use weechat instead of irssi :p |
| 08:15 | <Clorith> | and since my home cdesktop is acting up, I TeamViewer into it ;) |
| 08:19 | <Clorith> | weechat sounds silly, haha |
| 08:19 | <Clorith> | the name makes me think like a 5 year old xD |
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| 08:22 | <Wheel> | thanks |
| 08:22 | <Clorith> | You are most welcome |
| 08:22 | <Wheel> | man linode is fast and faster :D |
| 08:22 | <Wheel> | best vps company :p |
| 08:22 | <Clorith> | Sure is |
| 08:23 | <Clorith> | found the problem :D |
| 08:23 | <Clorith> | code works like a charm now, I can finally finalize this \o/ |
| 08:25 | <steffan> | /2 |
| 08:26 | <Wheel> | /3 |
| 08:26 | <Nivex> | /8 |
| 08:26 | <stan_theman> | Wheel: :) |
| 08:26 | <Wheel> | stan_theman: ohh thanks :D |
| 08:26 | <stan_theman> | Wheel: haha np |
| 08:27 | <Wheel> | Wheel: gues you are the dude in suport :D |
| 08:27 | <stan_theman> | I think you mean me, but yes :p |
| 08:27 | <Wheel> | ohh hahaha |
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| 08:31 | <Clorith> | the aussie bugger? :P |
| 08:36 | <mwalling> | straterra / caker / Yaakov: discovered my power steering issue: my fluid is amber colored |
| 08:38 | <stan_theman> | Clorith: not me :p |
| 08:38 | <stan_theman> | you're looking for array |
| 08:38 | <straterra> | mwalling, a flush should do it wonders |
| 08:46 | <Yaakov> | stan_theman is from a small village north of Sofia, in Bulgaria. He grew up in a yurt, using a Soviet-era C64 clone that was vacuum-tube-based. |
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| 08:46 | <stan_theman> | I think Yaakov is making fun of my yurt! |
| 08:47 | <Yaakov> | It was a very nice yurt. |
| 08:47 | <stan_theman> | Yaakov: thank you. |
| 08:47 | <@irgeek> | stan_theman: Linode employs two aussies. :p |
| 08:47 | <Yaakov> | Hello, irgeek. |
| 08:47 | <stan_theman> | irgeek: I'll call you the aussie bugger from now on :p |
| 08:48 | <@irgeek> | HELO |
| 08:48 | <stan_theman> | instructable yurt: http://www.instructables.com/id/Build-yourself-a-portable-home---a-mongolian-yurt/ |
| 08:48 | <Yaakov> | 314 Syntax error in greeting. Closing connection. |
| 08:49 | <@irgeek> | :( |
| 08:51 | <Nivex> | HELO urmom |
| 08:51 | <stan_theman> | Connection busy. |
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| 08:57 | <Clorith> | !summer |
| 08:57 | <Clorith> | darn |
| 08:57 | <Clorith> | I needed some glau to brighten my day! |
| 08:57 | * | Clorith wonders what his NS pass was again... |
| 08:57 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 08:57 | <linbot> | http://www.summerglauonastick.co.uk |
| 08:58 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 08:58 | <Clorith> | thanks <3 |
| 08:58 | <Clorith> | and of course I remember my pass now... |
| 08:58 | <Clorith> | !summer |
| 08:58 | <Clorith> | heh |
| 08:58 | <Clorith> | oh right, not regged with linbot |
| 08:58 | <Clorith> | oh well |
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| 09:00 | <eslahonline> | Hi |
| 09:00 | <Clorith> | Welcome, young one! |
| 09:00 | <eslahonline> | i have a |
| 09:01 | <eslahonline> | question regarding Linod e datacenters' locations |
| 09:01 | <eslahonline> | do u have servers somewhere in asia as well? |
| 09:01 | <Clorith> | No |
| 09:02 | <eslahonline> | humm, so for me in afghanistan,the london servers should be closer for latency |
| 09:02 | <eslahonline> | ? |
| 09:02 | <Clorith> | you could just test it; http://www.linode.com/speedtest/index.cfm |
| 09:02 | <eslahonline> | thnx, lemme see |
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| 09:20 | <oru_work> | hi, is anyone able to access this www.jpihealthcare.com |
| 09:21 | <BeBoo> | negative |
| 09:21 | <oru_work> | errr not sure whats wrong |
| 09:21 | <oru_work> | anyway |
| 09:21 | <JshWright> | !down www.jpihealthcare.com |
| 09:21 | <oru_work> | guess ISP is blocking port 80 ? |
| 09:21 | <linbot> | JshWright: It's not just you! |
| 09:21 | <oru_work> | JshWright, :) |
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| 09:22 | <Hartimer> | howdy |
| 09:22 | <BeBoo> | oru _work, are you hosting it yourself? who is your ISP? |
| 09:22 | <oru_work> | omg omg !! the website is down |
| 09:22 | <oru_work> | BeBoo, optimum online , but its a business account |
| 09:22 | <DephNet[Paul]> | !dns www.jpihealthcare.com |
| 09:22 | <linbot> | DephNet[Paul]: 75.127.142.196 |
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| 09:23 | <DephNet[Paul]> | oru_work, is ^^^ the right IP? |
| 09:23 | <oru_work> | yup |
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| 09:23 | <BeBoo> | probably blocked then or possibly firewall settings |
| 09:23 | <oru_work> | well its behind 3 routers in the office |
| 09:23 | <DephNet[Paul]> | oru_work, where is it hosted? |
| 09:23 | <oru_work> | but i forward ports correctly i think :P |
| 09:24 | <BeBoo> | guess not :x |
| 09:24 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 09:24 | <oru_work> | lol |
| 09:25 | <oru_work> | I know with optimum online they block port 80 by default, and it was never used by anyone before |
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| 09:28 | <erikh> | ircing from the cellphone? leet. |
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| 09:33 | <straterra> | I've been doing that for years |
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| 09:36 | <erikh> | I've done it once or twice |
| 09:36 | <erikh> | can't say I'd actively choose to do it |
| 09:36 | <erikh> | even on my g1 it's a pain. |
| 09:37 | <erikh> | connectbot makes it a little more tolerable though |
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| 09:39 | <amitz> | ircing from cellphone? usually to "browse" complicated information :-p |
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| 09:40 | <amitz> | well, more like to browse information too complicated to browse with cellphone's web browser. |
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| 09:42 | <oru_work_> | can you try now www.jpiamerica.com |
| 09:42 | <oru_work_> | errr |
| 09:42 | <oru_work_> | www.jpihealthcare.com |
| 09:42 | <DephNet[Paul]> | i get "It works!" |
| 09:43 | <oru_work_> | thanx |
| 09:43 | <oru_work_> | thats what it should say :) |
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| 09:51 | <BeBoo> | oru_work_: firewall rules? |
| 09:52 | <oru_work_> | no ISP was blocking port 80 |
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| 10:02 | <amitz> | my standard used to be very low. I thought that real player format was of high quality.. |
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| 10:04 | <erikh> | flash has some new "HD" extensions in the latest beta that play ball with some nvidia optimizations |
| 10:05 | <jcy> | flash is just going to get worse and worse, the more it develops for HD content |
| 10:06 | <jcy> | they need a flash lite runtime that doesn't cause my browser to buckle like it was hit by mike tyson |
| 10:07 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 10:07 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 10:08 | <amitz> | s/mike tyson/someone younger/ |
| 10:08 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 10:08 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 10:08 | <spkitty> | oh goddamn it i started running heavily into swap two hours ago |
| 10:08 | <amitz> | what kind of personal data SpaceHobo ? |
| 10:09 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 10:10 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 10:10 | <oru_work> | with php mail function, does anyone know which log file is used ? |
| 10:10 | <amitz> | that alone is already interesting :-o |
| 10:10 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 10:11 | <oru_work> | in ubuntu that is |
| 10:11 | <amitz> | SpaceHobo: I hope flash player will one day reduced to a condition like real player :-p |
| 10:11 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 10:12 | <axod> | how do I get netcat to stay connected until closed, instead of shutting down when stdin closed? |
| 10:12 | <axod> | eg echo "FOO" | nc foo.com 1010 |
| 10:12 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 10:13 | <axod> | hmm ok, thx will try |
| 10:13 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 10:13 | <Null_> | -w? |
| 10:13 | <Null_> | axod: ^ |
| 10:13 | <axod> | ah... may be the crappy version on OSX :/ doesn't have many flags |
| 10:14 | <axod> | -w didn't seem to work |
| 10:14 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 10:14 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 10:14 | <axod> | -q looks right on ubuntu |
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| 10:15 | <axod> | yup that works thanks |
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| 10:15 | <axod> | wish OSX would update some of their stuff |
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| 10:16 | <_Lucretia_> | hi, I set up postfix (currently using static tables and SSL/TLS) but when I connect evolution (or my phone) to the server for mail, it gives me a bad signature: http://pastebin.com/m68131521 any ideas |
| 10:16 | <erikh> | -w doesn't do what -q does |
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| 10:17 | <erikh> | but wouldn't echo "FOO" | cat /dev/stdin /dev/null | nc foo.com 1010 do the same thing? |
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| 10:17 | <erikh> | or just something that doesn't close |
| 10:18 | <erikh> | aha |
| 10:18 | <erikh> | -o ``Once-only mode''. By default, nc does not terminate on EOF |
| 10:18 | <erikh> | condition on input, but continues until the network side has been |
| 10:18 | <erikh> | closed down. Specifying -o will make it terminate on EOF as |
| 10:18 | <erikh> | well. |
| 10:18 | <erikh> | you're welcome |
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| 10:26 | <jcy> | anyone here really good at excel? how can i get two columns filtered so that identical values in both columns are removed |
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| 10:28 | <Hartimer> | http://lmgtfy.com/?q=excel+remove+duplicates+in+a+column |
| 10:30 | <@pparadis> | jcy: first, you export your excel spreadsheet into a CSV file. |
| 10:30 | <jcy> | ha, thanks Hartimer i admit i was being lazy |
| 10:30 | <tjfontaine> | first format C: |
| 10:31 | <@pparadis> | then, you write a perl script to dedupe your CSV file. |
| 10:31 | <tjfontaine> | purl! |
| 10:31 | <@pparadis> | then, you import your CSV file into excel |
| 10:31 | <@pparadis> | then, you ???? |
| 10:31 | <@pparadis> | then, you profit |
| 10:31 | <tjfontaine> | and lose all your formatting for your cells :) |
| 10:31 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 10:31 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
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| 10:31 | <@pparadis> | or there's actually a perl module that does excel for you ;) |
| 10:32 | <@pparadis> | like, no kidding there actually is --> http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-pexcel/ |
| 10:34 | <jcy> | huh, so it can parse an excel file for values. that could be pretty useful |
| 10:34 | <erikh> | you mean |
| 10:34 | <erikh> | like Spreadsheet::ParseExcel? |
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| 10:35 | <erikh> | oh, same bag |
| 10:36 | <erikh> | if you don't need an excel sheet |
| 10:36 | <erikh> | csv makes this a heck of a lot easier |
| 10:36 | <Hartimer> | jcy, just messing with you :) just wanted to try out that site hehe |
| 10:36 | <erikh> | e.g., if you don't need excel functions and other formatting crap |
| 10:38 | <linbot> | New news from linodelibrary: Deploying an e-Commerce Store with Magento on Ubuntu 9.10 (Karmic) <http://library.linode.com/web-applications/magento/magento-ubuntu-karmic>; || Django with Apache on Ubuntu 9.10 (Karmic) <http://library.linode.com/web-frameworks/django/installing-django-apache-ubuntu-9.10-karmic>; |
| 10:39 | <JshWright> | mod_python is so last year... |
| 10:39 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 10:39 | <bss> | hmm, /etc/inittab updates always scare me. is the only linode customization the hvc0 terminal line? |
| 10:39 | <jcy> | np Hartimer |
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| 10:54 | <linbot> | New news from forums: Copying site from external LAMP VPS to Debian/Nginx Linode? in General Discussion <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5165>; |
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| 11:03 | <jcy> | could i use nginx to route to two different web servers on the same IP address based on http headers? |
| 11:03 | <jcy> | with the reverse proxy setup |
| 11:04 | <Guspaz> | Probably, if they're on separate ports. But I know nothing about nginx ;) |
| 11:05 | <jcy> | if they were on separate ports, then it'd be simple port forwarding |
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| 11:05 | <linbot> | New news from forums: Network activity before setting up a webserver in Linux Networking <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5170>; |
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| 11:06 | <JshWright> | jcy: you want to run two web servers on the same port? |
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| 11:07 | <sub> | jcy: Yes |
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| 11:07 | <Guspaz> | You can't run two webservers on the same port. |
| 11:07 | <sub> | jcy: It would appear that way at least. In reality you would have two web servers on two separate ports, and then nginx as a reverse proxy in front of the two web servers |
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| 11:08 | <Guspaz> | You can run two web servers on different ports, and have the internet-facing web server forwarding traffic to the right internal port. |
| 11:08 | <sub> | nginx would sit on the port you want to serve from and proxy connections to/from the correct ports that the web servers on |
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| 11:08 | <mwalling> | sub+=1 # cause i'm too lazy to type |
| 11:09 | <sub> | heh, thanks ;) |
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| 11:13 | <straterra> | mwalling: Still haven't received pay :P |
| 11:14 | <straterra> | CHASE CHECKING (...0826) $-6.58 $-6.58 |
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| 11:14 | <JshWright> | Hey! You hacked into my back account! |
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| 11:16 | <snassar> | gui IRC apps lead to less memory, lead to despair, lead to the dark side |
| 11:16 | <snassar> | irssi, why do I ever doubt you? |
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| 11:26 | <Guspaz> | snassar: And yet I've heard people complaining that irssi is a memory hog. |
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| 11:27 | <jcy> | i asked if two different web servers could be accessed by the reverse proxy functionality in nginx, sub was the only person who understood apparently |
| 11:27 | <jcy> | do people not use bitchx anymore |
| 11:27 | <Guspaz> | He said the same thing I did, but OK... |
| 11:27 | <spkitty> | so io and cpu going up rapidly for a prolonged period of time means i'm thrashing my swap right? |
| 11:27 | <jcy> | you kept bring up ports |
| 11:28 | <Guspaz> | As did he. |
| 11:28 | <JshWright> | spkitty: that's a reasonable theory |
| 11:28 | <jcy> | right but he said: "nginx would sit on the port you want to serve from and proxy connections to/from the correct ports that the web servers on" |
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| 11:28 | <Guspaz> | spkitty: Not necessarily, but a Linode doesn't really need swap. You might want a bit for emergencies, but if you need to dig into swap, things are going to suck. |
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| 11:28 | <jcy> | you said: "<Guspaz> You can't run two webservers on the same port." |
| 11:28 | <Guspaz> | "You can run two web servers on different ports, and have the internet-facing web server forwarding traffic to the right internal port." |
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| 11:28 | <JshWright> | jcy: I think Guspaz just assumed a slightly higher base level of understanding on your part |
| 11:29 | <spkitty> | yeah well i got two io warning emails when i woke up this afternoon and checked my linode to see that i was pretty heavy into swap - something that has never happened before |
| 11:29 | <spkitty> | not really sure why either as i'm not getting many more hits on the site or anything |
| 11:29 | <atourino> | people often assume a higher base level of understanding on my part, which is not often the case. |
| 11:29 | <jcy> | if i was running web servers on different ports, then i could just use port forwarding |
| 11:29 | <atourino> | :( |
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| 11:30 | <snassar> | Guspaz: even if irssi is a memory hog restarting apps from shell is faster than hoping the interface will be responsive long enough to hit the X |
| 11:30 | <JshWright> | spkitty: I would say the fact that you are pretty heavily into swap would be a better indication of the fact that you are heavily into swap |
| 11:30 | <mwalling> | jcy: i understood, thats why i incremented sub's counter |
| 11:30 | <sub> | http://intranation.com/entries/2008/09/using-nginx-reverse-proxy/ |
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| 11:30 | <spkitty> | JshWright: hahaha, good point :/ |
| 11:30 | <mwalling> | jcy: you're describing the exact use case for a reverse proxy |
| 11:30 | <sub> | About 2/3rds of the way down is a nginx config example |
| 11:30 | <spkitty> | looks like i will have to tune apache and mysql a little more |
| 11:30 | <Guspaz> | jcy: No, because only one port would be exposed to the net, and port forwarding can't handle figuring out which sub-server to get to since you wanted to filter based on headers. |
| 11:31 | <Guspaz> | jcy: As I said, you need one web server listening on port 80, and that one forwards the requests to the internal web servers running on whichever ports. |
| 11:31 | <atourino> | "i was pretty heavy into swap" So you were fat and a swinger? |
| 11:31 | <jcy> | so the internal webservers can't both be running port 80 then? |
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| 11:31 | <Guspaz> | No, not unless they're on different IPs. |
| 11:32 | <sub> | ^^ Guspaz++ |
| 11:32 | <jcy> | ok, that's what i needed, thanks |
| 11:32 | <Guspaz> | Only one thing can listen per port per IP at a time. When a process opens a port, it owns that port on that IP. |
| 11:32 | <atourino> | just like when I open urmom's port, I own it |
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| 11:33 | <atourino> | !urmom |
| 11:33 | <linbot> | atourino: Yo momma's so ugly, she looks like this! http://i.azcentral.com/i/sized/7/A/E/e298/j350/PHP4A242C6E8BEA7.jpg (817:0/0) [ommur] |
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| 11:33 | <atourino> | wow.. picture and everything |
| 11:34 | <BeBoo> | lawl |
| 11:34 | <BeBoo> | thats my mom! |
| 11:35 | <atourino> | she's famous |
| 11:35 | <BeBoo> | i can get autographs for anyone who wants em |
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| 11:38 | <oojacoboo> | anyone in here know of any payment aggregation service providers? |
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| 11:39 | <warewolf> | caker: ping? |
| 11:39 | <tjfontaine> | RST |
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| 11:39 | <oojacoboo> | tjfontaine: was that for me? |
| 11:40 | <tjfontaine> | no I was being funny wrt warewolf |
| 11:40 | <warewolf> | thanks. |
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| 11:40 | <tjfontaine> | now he has to rebuild his tcp connection |
| 11:40 | <tjfontaine> | oojacoboo: define payment aggregation |
| 11:40 | <warewolf> | except that ICMP ping has nothing to do with tcp |
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| 11:40 | <tjfontaine> | I know |
| 11:40 | <tjfontaine> | but I rst your ircd |
| 11:40 | <warewolf> | ... |
| 11:40 | <oojacoboo> | paypal is the best example or a provider that uses something like orbitz.com or a travel site |
| 11:41 | <warewolf> | tjfontaine: not funny. |
| 11:41 | <tjfontaine> | heh |
| 11:41 | <warewolf> | tjfontaine: my IP as of a few moments ago appears to be nullrouted. |
| 11:41 | <tjfontaine> | warewolf: oh, well, I have no information regarding that I was just being funny |
| 11:41 | <TheFirst> | warewolf: who'd you ddos? :P |
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| 11:41 | <tjfontaine> | more likely the opposite |
| 11:42 | <JshWright> | or he got pwn't and someone was using his box to do nefarious things |
| 11:42 | <TheFirst> | s/ddos/piss off/ ;) |
| 11:42 | <snassar> | nefarious things |
| 11:42 | <snassar> | covers a lot of ground |
| 11:42 | <JshWright> | http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/nefarious |
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| 11:43 | <snassar> | could be dastardly deeds, misdeeds, black acts, malevolent intentions, asshattery, general douchyness |
| 11:44 | <mwalling> | warewolf: based on what i saw before, its ticket itme |
| 11:45 | <snassar> | also: being a pisser, an asswipe, taking a piss at |
| 11:45 | <JshWright> | maybe he's 69.164.208.111 |
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| 11:46 | <jcy> | urmom likes ip address starts w/ 69 |
| 11:46 | <jcy> | oops, one word too many |
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| 12:12 | <warewolf2> | I'm not placing any blame |
| 12:12 | <warewolf2> | er |
| 12:12 | <warewolf2> | misfire |
| 12:13 | <TheFirst> | eh? |
| 12:13 | <warewolf2> | wrong channel |
| 12:19 | <BeBoo> | anyone know where the beta site went (for testing the API and new features, etc)? |
| 12:21 | <tjfontaine> | it comes and goes as new features for testing do |
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| 12:25 | <BeBoo> | how can I test my API integration then without b0rking my linode or dns? |
| 12:25 | <@caker> | buy another Linode? |
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| 12:25 | <jforman> | create a useless record? |
| 12:25 | <@caker> | it's like 67 cents/day |
| 12:25 | <warewolf> | hahaha |
| 12:26 | <warewolf> | caker: "for less than a cup of coffee a day, you could support a linode in uguanda" |
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| 12:26 | <@caker> | warewolf: indeed |
| 12:26 | <@caker> | coffee is expensive these days, too |
| 12:26 | <Nivex> | everything is expensive these days |
| 12:27 | <jcy> | oh caker your upselling techniques are so smoooooth |
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| 12:27 | <mwalling> | 2 K-Cups is ~~ 1 Linode |
| 12:28 | <axod> | caker: just say someone gets to crazy traffic levels, are there any other options/volume discounts etc at linode |
| 12:28 | <amitz> | except urmom |
| 12:28 | <@caker> | axod: we can work something out, sure |
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| 12:28 | <axod> | I've heard 95 percentile bandied around other hosts, |
| 12:28 | <axod> | but don't fully understand it |
| 12:28 | <mwalling> | axod: its like high-water mark, but 5% lower |
| 12:28 | <TheFirst> | reminds me of an ad i saw ... can't remember where ... "cheaper monthly rates than a starbucks every day" ... well yeah but that still doesn't make ~150 or whatever it'd be reasonable |
| 12:28 | <@caker> | axod: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burstable_billing |
| 12:29 | <axod> | ok caker cool to know |
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| 12:29 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 12:30 | <axod> | ah ok, so presumably though if you get unlucky and get ddosed, on 95 percentile, doesn't that cost you for the whole month at that peak rate? |
| 12:30 | <TJF> | caker: who wrote your iphone app? |
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| 12:30 | <Peng> | TJF: jed |
| 12:30 | <@jed> | and an army of oompa-loompas |
| 12:31 | <Pryon> | Oompa Loompa, do-ba-dee-doo, |
| 12:31 | <TJF> | army of mikegrbs? |
| 12:31 | <Pryon> | jed's got an iPhone app for you |
| 12:31 | <@caker> | TJF: hey man! |
| 12:31 | <@caker> | TJF: how's it going? |
| 12:31 | <TJF> | caker: good good |
| 12:32 | <TLKit> | The iPhone application is damn useful. |
| 12:32 | <Pryon> | Oompa Loompa, do-ba-dee-dee |
| 12:32 | <axod> | A+++ would download for free again |
| 12:32 | <TJF> | caker: crazy busy |
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| 12:33 | <TJF> | jed: nice work btw |
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| 12:34 | <@jed> | TJF: thank you :) |
| 12:34 | <axod> | ah doh ok I see @ bustable billing. Thx for link |
| 12:38 | <SpaceHobo> | <redacted> |
| 12:38 | <erikh> | bustable billing is what porn sites use. |
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| 12:43 | <JshWright> | "role" is a weird word when you type it a bunch of times... |
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| 12:45 | <Guspaz> | axod: 95th percentile is really not what you want if your traffic is bursty. If your average traffic is 10mbit but you spend 6% of the month at 100mbit, you pay for 10x your average usage. |
| 12:45 | <Guspaz> | Per-gig billing is effectively a strictly-average billing method, and is pretty much ideal from the customer perspective. |
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| 12:47 | <Guspaz> | axod: mwalling's explanation isn't quite right, though. It's not that it's 5% below the top-water mark. Think of it like this: Take all your samples of bandwidth usage over the billing period, and throw away the 5% of samples that are the highest. You then get billed for the highest sample that remains. |
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| 12:48 | <Guspaz> | In the wikipedia example caker linked, the user is averaging 1.10 Mbps, and is being billed for 2.62 Mbps, such a user would likely be much better off with per-gig billing. |
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| 12:50 | <axod> | sure... right, so if you get slashdotted/dos'd/etc for a few hours in the month, those peaks will be discarded... |
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| 12:50 | <axod> | so I guess it's best for when your traffic is pretty flat and you're using a fairly constant amount |
| 12:50 | <Guspaz> | Yes, but they'd also "consume" part of the 5%, pushing down how much of your normal peak traffic could be discarded, leading to higher billing anyhow. |
| 12:50 | <axod> | sure |
| 12:52 | <Guspaz> | If your bandwidth graphs are anything like your IRC user counts, you'd probably be billed a chunk above your average usage. |
| 12:54 | <Guspaz> | Linode charges an effective $32.10 per megabit for per-gig billing. If you're going to negotiate for 95th percentile with Caker, keep that in mind, and also keep in mind that 95th will lead to you being billed for well above average usage, so if you were offered $20/mbit, that might even cost you more. |
| 12:54 | <Guspaz> | Well, $20/Mbps might be a bit of a discount, it's hard to know with no data. |
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| 12:55 | <Guspaz> | Unless Caker says they'll sell you bandwidth by the terabyte or something, which would pretty much make all the concerns moot :P |
| 12:56 | <axod> | heh sure... likely a while off yet in any event |
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| 12:58 | <Guspaz> | Planning that increase in file upload size limits? :P |
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| 13:02 | <axod> | heh nah. just basic growth |
| 13:02 | <axod> | every so often we have enquiries asking about supporting a few thousand users etc |
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| 13:03 | <axod> | also we've got to a stage where we're going to be consistently over our bandwidth allowance |
| 13:03 | <Guspaz> | Well, luckily, overage costs the same as included bandwidth; $0.10 per gig, so you don't get killed on overage charges. |
| 13:03 | <Guspaz> | As in, a $30 VPS comes with $30 of bandwidth. |
| 13:04 | <Guspaz> | Which makes me wonder what the point of the bandwidth addons are, since they don't offer any discount. They seem to be actually a bad thing; you commit to using a certain amount of bandwidth but you don't get any discount on it. |
| 13:05 | <axod> | yeah $0.10 / GB is pretty good pricing as it is |
| 13:06 | <axod> | well getting a $19.95 server, and not using the server is actually cheaper than paying for the bandwidth ;) |
| 13:06 | <@caker> | axod: not for long |
| 13:06 | <Guspaz> | By $0.05, sure :P |
| 13:06 | * | Napta was in powergate today |
| 13:06 | <Napta> | stealing linodes |
| 13:06 | <axod> | only slightly... at slicehost it's ridiculous (or at least was) |
| 13:07 | <axod> | their overage was .30 or something, whilst you could just buy more slices and get bandwidth allowance for .20 or so |
| 13:07 | <mwalling> | caker: hinting? |
| 13:07 | <Guspaz> | I mean, adding linodes to save $0.05 per 200GB is kind of mean to Linode :P |
| 13:07 | <axod> | caker: ah interesting :) |
| 13:07 | <axod> | Guspaz: sell the CPU power on, and you're in profit! |
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| 13:08 | <Guspaz> | Sure, but then Caker will sit in his swivel-chair, stroking his white cat, while cursing your name ;) |
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| 13:09 | <axod> | linode need office cams |
| 13:10 | <@tychoish> | axod, that's is emphatically not true |
| 13:10 | <vuf> | how expensive is fsync on a linode? |
| 13:10 | <@caker> | free |
| 13:10 | <Guspaz> | $0.99 |
| 13:10 | <mwalling> | axod: mike doesnt wear pants. you dont want linode office cams |
| 13:10 | <Bdragon> | ha |
| 13:11 | <Peng> | For the low price of one firstborn child, you get a lifetime supply of fsyncs. |
| 13:11 | <Guspaz> | When I worked at a Linux company, the office adhered to international no-pants day. |
| 13:11 | <Bdragon> | Depends on current utilization. |
| 13:11 | <@tychoish> | s/pants./pants all the time/ |
| 13:11 | <vuf> | caker, thanks |
| 13:11 | <Peng> | vuf: That's really what you wanted to know? The price? |
| 13:11 | <axod> | mwalling: kilt? |
| 13:12 | * | snassar hopes kilt |
| 13:12 | <mwalling> | axod: boxers? (hopefully) |
| 13:12 | <Guspaz> | I'm not sure how or why a company WOULD charge for fsyncs. |
| 13:12 | <vuf> | Peng: I took it that caker provided a non-idiotic answer, but I may have been optimistic, seeing the other replies |
| 13:12 | <@tychoish> | mwalling: we should be so lucky |
| 13:12 | <Guspaz> | It's a case of "Ask a stupid question, get a stupid answer". |
| 13:13 | <Pryon> | vuf: profile, don't speculate |
| 13:13 | <Guspaz> | In terms of performance, they'd be slightly slower than on a real dedicated server since Linode disk activity is abstracted in a disk image, but probably not enough to care. |
| 13:13 | <Guspaz> | Disks are all local (they don't use iSCSI on a SAN) |
| 13:13 | <vuf> | Pryon, now THAT'S a stupid answer |
| 13:13 | <Peng> | Does an fsync really guarantee your data gets to the disk, or does the dom0 ignore it? |
| 13:14 | <mwalling> | wait, how is that a stupid answer? |
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| 13:14 | <vuf> | Peng: that was my question, which is obvious if you don't nitpick |
| 13:14 | <mwalling> | !obvious. espically since AWS charges per IOOP |
| 13:15 | <Guspaz> | mwalling: AWS is a cloud storage service, not local disks like on a Linode. |
| 13:17 | <vuf> | mwalling, how will I profile whether data hits the physical disk? |
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| 13:17 | <Peng> | That's not what you asked, though. |
| 13:17 | <Guspaz> | You can't. But since you asked what it cost, you were asking about performance. |
| 13:18 | <Guspaz> | You might want to ask someone who is familiar with the internal workings of Xen. |
| 13:18 | <vuf> | Guspaz, indeed, the performance difference between hitting ram and hitting disk |
| 13:18 | <Guspaz> | But that has nothing to do with fsync. |
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| 13:21 | <Guspaz> | But, I think we've given you about as much as we can. Hitting the disk on a linode will be a bit slower than on a real server, but not that much more so. In terms of if fsync guarantees that you're committed to disk in xen, you might want to try some sort of xen-related help |
| 13:22 | <vuf> | hi. will fsync in a linode make the data hit the physical disk before returning? |
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| 13:22 | <@caker> | ...a real server with hardware RAID10 and enterprise drives... |
| 13:22 | <@caker> | please qualify your statements |
| 13:22 | <@caker> | vuf: no |
| 13:22 | <@caker> | but it helps |
| 13:22 | <Bdragon> | hahaha, somehow I read hardware RAID10 as "Software-defined-radio" |
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| 13:23 | <Guspaz> | Sure, but you know what I mean. Compared to running on the host itself, going through a disk image in a VM will be slightly slower. |
| 13:23 | <@caker> | Guspaz: you have proof? :) |
| 13:23 | <Guspaz> | Well, there's extra abstraction there. So at the very least I can guarantee several extra nanoseconds are added ;) |
| 13:23 | <axod> | sounds like premature optimization to me unless there's a specific use case |
| 13:23 | <vuf> | argh, now my question did not take batteries into account :-( |
| 13:24 | <Guspaz> | Besides, your hardware RAID10 with enterprise drives would be outperformed by a $100 SSD :P |
| 13:24 | <opello> | maybe guarantee microseconds, probably nanoseconds :p |
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| 13:24 | <@caker> | yeah, and that would be outperformed by writing to /dev/null! |
| 13:24 | <opello> | clocks are fast :) |
| 13:24 | <Guspaz> | But THAT would be outperformed by not writing at all! |
| 13:25 | <@caker> | woah |
| 13:25 | <Guspaz> | At which point you will have achieved a true zen state. |
| 13:25 | <atourino> | and THAT would be outperformed by urmom |
| 13:25 | <mwalling> | vuf: move up a level... whats the problem you're trying to solve? |
| 13:25 | <Guspaz> | urmom outperforms everything. |
| 13:25 | <mwalling> | atourino+=1 |
| 13:27 | <nb> | !urmom |
| 13:27 | <linbot> | nb: Yo momma's so ignorant, She thinks the internet is internet explorer. (757:3/1) [urmom] |
| 13:27 | <nb> | !urmom vote up 757 |
| 13:27 | <linbot> | nb: Voted up 757 [ormmu] |
| 13:27 | <vuf> | mwalling, no problem, but I was wondering whether fsync provides the expected guarantees on a linode, in a worst case scenario. I don't care much either way, i was just being curious. |
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| 13:30 | <mwalling> | vuf: i assume bbwc, so you should be good |
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| 13:32 | <vuf> | mwalling, that would require the fsync to be passed to dom0, i think |
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| 13:32 | <Peng> | Yeah, it is battery-backed. |
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| 13:32 | <mwalling> | true i guess... |
| 13:33 | <mwalling> | idk, i figure if something bad enough happens that a fsync() could prevent it, 43 other bad things are going to happen that ruin that 1 bad thing's fix |
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| 13:37 | <@mikegrb> | mmm cake |
| 13:37 | <Guspaz> | Sigh, everybody gathers in the kitchen for cake to celebrate a baby shower that we all kicked in for. Unfortunately, it's chocolate, which I'm allergic too. Sigh. |
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| 13:38 | <@irgeek> | Guspaz: Eat the baby instead. |
| 13:38 | <Guspaz> | heh |
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| 13:38 | <Guspaz> | I instead just got depressed and left. |
| 13:39 | <mwalling> | where does babi come from? |
| 13:39 | <Guspaz> | storkz |
| 13:39 | <@irgeek> | Stew pots. |
| 13:40 | <Pryon> | come from, not goto |
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| 13:46 | <Bdragon> | Stew Pot? |
| 13:47 | <Bdragon> | South Pacific was great. |
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| 14:26 | <jcy> | i wonder how much bandwidth mibbit uses |
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| 14:27 | <tjfontaine> | too much |
| 14:27 | <axod> | :o |
| 14:28 | <axod> | probably nothing compared to image/video/streaming based sites |
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| 14:28 | <Peng> | axod: Obviously you need to find a way to combine YouTube, MySpace and IRC. |
| 14:29 | <jcy> | with a persistent whiteboard |
| 14:29 | <axod> | convert each line of text into an avi showing the text being written with a pencil |
| 14:30 | <bob2> | screencasts ftw11 |
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| 14:32 | <@caker> | Check the Linodes tab for something new! |
| 14:32 | <jcy> | omg |
| 14:32 | * | jcy rushes to log in |
| 14:32 | <axod> | ah awesome caker :) |
| 14:33 | * | axod throws out his calculator |
| 14:33 | <@caker> | it's all pro-rated a shit. |
| 14:33 | <@caker> | so now if you buy a Linode (or a transfer pacakge) half way through the month, you only get that much xfer |
| 14:34 | <Nivex> | RFE: when hitting https://www.linode.com/members/ please set the focus to the User ID field |
| 14:34 | <Peng> | caker: Very nice. :) |
| 14:34 | <axod> | ah cool I did wonder about that before... If you went over previously you could just buy a new linode and get the *full* bandwidth allowance |
| 14:34 | <axod> | thought it was a bit of a hole there :) |
| 14:35 | <mwalling> | members.linode.com is still listed as a malicious site |
| 14:35 | <bob2> | by who? |
| 14:36 | <mwalling> | smart filter |
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| 14:38 | <Yaakov> | caker: How many bits are the floats used to calculate those numbers? |
| 14:39 | <rogi_> | So much transfer pool, so little use. :( |
| 14:40 | <Solver> | haha |
| 14:40 | * | Solver often uses 1% but who cares :) |
| 14:40 | <axod> | would requesting a "projected monthly usage for this month = " get me a slap? |
| 14:40 | * | mwalling slaps axod |
| 14:41 | <mwalling> | axod: if user == axod: return 1 |
| 14:41 | <axod> | I meant on the *face* |
| 14:41 | <Solver> | here's a suggestion |
| 14:41 | <rogi_> | Solver: Mine says '500GB Quota, 1GB Used. Sad, eh? |
| 14:41 | <Solver> | 1% of unused bandwidth quota gets put in to a pool of extra quota they can use later |
| 14:41 | <Solver> | rogi_: 200GB/2GB for me a lot of the time :) |
| 14:42 | <vuf> | i have used 6 ! |
| 14:42 | <Peng> | No, 100% of it should. :D Then I could blow terabytes in one month! |
| 14:42 | <Solver> | hahah |
| 14:43 | <adnc> | has someone got an idea how to evaluate /proc/diskstats for rrdtool to collect disk activities? |
| 14:43 | <bob2> | collectd man |
| 14:43 | <Solver> | man I dislike rrdtool |
| 14:43 | <axod> | thank goodness for bandwidth pooling anyhow. |
| 14:43 | <Solver> | :) |
| 14:44 | <vuf> | adnc, munin has an idea |
| 14:44 | * | rogi_ Adds 25 Tor relays |
| 14:44 | <adnc> | bob2, no, i don't need a separate daemon, i would like to manage it myself. i'm looking for the math behind it |
| 14:44 | <mwalling> | adnc: yes. and munin knows the math. |
| 14:45 | <axod> | rrdtool is ok, takes a while to work out how it decided to do things tho |
| 14:45 | <adnc> | munin? ohh, let me see |
| 14:45 | <vuf> | adnc, it's the iostat plugin |
| 14:46 | <Peng> | I wonder how much bandwidth I could burn with NTP? |
| 14:46 | <mwalling> | .1 |
| 14:46 | <adnc> | vuf, mwalling thank you |
| 14:46 | <mwalling> | i burn more bandwidth dealing with a botnet looking for payload that doesnt exist |
| 14:46 | <Peng> | Sure, but if you join the NTP pool and set your server to 1 Gbps... |
| 14:47 | <Peng> | Or get ask to put it in the Turkey pool -- then you'd get a few TB of traffic. |
| 14:47 | <mwalling> | turkey pool? |
| 14:47 | <axod> | :O @ "at peak, roughly 3 Gigabits/sec of traffic go between FarmVille and Facebook" - http://highscalability.com/blog/2010/2/8/how-farmville-scales-to-harvest-75-million-players-a-month.html |
| 14:47 | <Peng> | The regional pool for the country named Turkey. A lot of abusive NTP traffic flows from it. |
| 14:48 | <Peng> | "a few TB" is not hyperbole. |
| 14:49 | * | snassar wonders why turkey would have a high incidence of abusinve ntp traffic |
| 14:49 | <mwalling> | i thought that it was for .tr, but i also thought it was for special people or something (like they're a bunch of turkeys and they like to get pounded) |
| 14:49 | <@jed> | The game had 1 M daily players after 4 days and 10M after 60 days. |
| 14:49 | <@jed> | ...what. |
| 14:49 | <vuf> | what is abusive ntp traffic? |
| 14:50 | <jcy> | how do they make money off farmville |
| 14:50 | <jcy> | is it just banner ads in fb |
| 14:50 | <axod> | jcy: google for 'scamville' |
| 14:50 | <@jed> | I think you can buy currency in it, too |
| 14:50 | <Redgore> | micropayments and malarky |
| 14:51 | <axod> | they had lots of 'reward scheme' type things to get you in game credits |
| 14:51 | <axod> | eg "sign up to this thing by using your mobile phone, and get some in game credits' |
| 14:51 | <snassar> | jcy: it is a reverse GDP proxy. The more people takes out of the productive workforce the more money it can make. |
| 14:51 | <Peng> | http://fortytwo.ch/mailman/pipermail/timekeepers/2010/004985.html <- 500 KB/s, or 5531 requests/s. |
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| 14:52 | <axod> | never played farmville, but it looks like simcity but not as good :/ |
| 14:52 | <Solver> | axod: to me rrdtool is a solution looking for a problem |
| 14:52 | <axod> | unless you can raise the taxes on the farm and get all your animals to move out |
| 14:53 | <axod> | Solver: the problem is how to easily manage time based data, and graph it. Is there a better solution? |
| 14:53 | <Peng> | vuf: Lots of things are abusive. Sending packets more frequently than once every 64 seconds (barring iburst). Sending packets more frequently if the server stops responding. Ignoring Kiss-o'-Death responses. Hardcoding someone's NTP server in some device and then shipping 200,000 of them. |
| 14:53 | <Peng> | vuf: Using a stratum 1 server at all when you don't really need it./ |
| 14:53 | <Solver> | diskspace isn't an issue so round-robin DBs aren't useful to me. The interpolation capability is cool I must admit |
| 14:54 | <Solver> | axod: well I'm getting results I'm very happy with from zabbix |
| 14:54 | <Peng> | snassar: Shrug. Turkey has a high incidence of all kinds of abusive. |
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| 14:54 | <Peng> | snassar: Nobody knows where the NTP traffic comes from. The theory is some modem/router with a crappy NTP implementation, but there's no proof. |
| 14:55 | <axod> | Solver: interesting, hadn't heard of that one. |
| 14:55 | <snassar> | Peng: yes. for a lot of spurious reasons, many of them human-related. |
| 14:55 | <axod> | rrdtool is just pretty easy from cmdline, hook in other data sources etc |
| 14:55 | <snassar> | Peng: but the NTP comment caught my eye |
| 14:56 | <erikh> | rrd 2 can actually create some visually impressive graphs too |
| 14:56 | <erikh> | it takes a lot of massage, but it can be done |
| 14:56 | <snassar> | Peng: for a while my website was being circulated by turkish nationalists as a target site. That was fun. |
| 14:56 | <Solver> | axod: I'm only trialing it but I hope is that it will replace nagios & cacti |
| 14:56 | <Solver> | 2 for the price of 1 :) |
| 14:57 | <vuf> | Peng: i see, i was wondering whether someone managed to use ntp for some kind of scam, but it's not that kind of abuse ... |
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| 14:57 | <vuf> | will linode have a dc in turkey? |
| 14:58 | <Solver> | hahaha |
| 14:58 | <snassar> | Dear Sir, my father was killed in a time-keeping accident in Nigeria. Before his death he opened an NTP pool.... |
| 14:59 | <axod> | Solver: irritatingly enough, cacti is broken in chrome for some reason |
| 14:59 | <@pparadis> | that joke was just in time |
| 14:59 | <mwalling> | pparadis: lame |
| 14:59 | <mwalling> | everyone boo pparadis |
| 15:00 | <axod> | don't know if they've fixed it yet, but it moans passwords don't match when you try and do anything much |
| 15:00 | * | pparadis is proud |
| 15:00 | <snassar> | pparadis rescued my node therefore can do no wrong |
| 15:00 | <mwalling> | he can do plenty wrong |
| 15:00 | <snassar> | pparadis++ |
| 15:00 | <snassar> | mwalling-- |
| 15:01 | <snassar> | mwallinf, mwalline, mwallind, mwallingc, mwallingb, mwallina, mwalling9, mwallin8... |
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| 15:02 | <Peng> | !help avail-atlanta |
| 15:02 | <linbot> | Peng: (availatlanta <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "linodeavailatlanta $*". |
| 15:02 | * | pparadis goes to make some performance adjustments on mwalling's linode |
| 15:02 | <Peng> | !help mtr-atlanta |
| 15:02 | <linbot> | Peng: (mtratlanta <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "web title http://rocwiki.org/wiki/cgi/mtr.cgi?target_host=$1". |
| 15:02 | <Peng> | (Oops.) |
| 15:02 | <Peng> | pparadis: Do you have an Atlanta node? |
| 15:02 | <@pparadis> | yep |
| 15:03 | <Peng> | pparadis: Would you mind using it for !mtr-atlanta? The current !mtr-atlanta server has moved to Newark. |
| 15:03 | <@pparadis> | sure |
| 15:03 | <@pparadis> | u can use 74.207.231.48 |
| 15:04 | <Peng> | You'd have to set up the mtr.cgi script. I don't know where to get it, though; HoopyCat ran the old !mtr-atlanta, and I know Yaakov runs/ran one... |
| 15:04 | <@pparadis> | yeah, i'll hit HoopyCat up about how to do that |
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| 15:05 | <Peng> | Thank you. :) |
| 15:06 | <Solver> | axod: hmm that's annoying. thanks for the heads up |
| 15:07 | * | Solver is still on FF having dislike the chrome i/f but he will try it again |
| 15:08 | <@pparadis> | Peng: Yaakov just hooked me up, adding shortly |
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| 15:11 | <Peng> | <3 |
| 15:14 | <Guspaz> | You know what else doesn't work with Chrome? LISH's ajaxterm :P |
| 15:14 | <@jed> | you know what else doesn't work with chrome? |
| 15:14 | <@jed> | paint. |
| 15:14 | <Guspaz> | I guess it peels? |
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| 15:21 | <erikh> | you know what else doesn't work with chrome? |
| 15:21 | <erikh> | people who complain more than they patch |
| 15:21 | <@irgeek> | urmom |
| 15:21 | <erikh> | that too. |
| 15:21 | <@pparadis> | !mtr-atlanta linode.com |
| 15:22 | <linbot> | pparadis: [mtr] linode.com: 14 hops, no loss, last hop average RTT was 19.8ms |
| 15:22 | <@jed> | !mtr-atlanta server1.palegray.net |
| 15:22 | <linbot> | jed: [mtr] server1.palegray.net: 2 hops, no loss, last hop average RTT was 0.5ms |
| 15:22 | <@jed> | zomg fast |
| 15:22 | <@pparadis> | word yo |
| 15:22 | <Guspaz> | The elitist attitude "If you don't like it, fix it your own damned self" is one of the biggest problems with the opensource world. |
| 15:22 | <@jed> | wow, Guspaz |
| 15:22 | <@jed> | for once I agree with you |
| 15:22 | <Guspaz> | It happens every few months ;) |
| 15:23 | <@jed> | indeed |
| 15:23 | * | jed resets the "Days Without an Agreement" clock |
| 15:23 | <Guspaz> | heh |
| 15:23 | <Guspaz> | That was directed at erikh, btw. |
| 15:23 | <@jed> | I know :) |
| 15:24 | <erikh> | sorry |
| 15:24 | <Battousai> | patches welcome |
| 15:24 | <erikh> | maybe I should tell Google to hire more people to pay for the development of a product you pay nothing for |
| 15:25 | <erikh> | as the proud owner of many full trackers I feel completely within my right to say that |
| 15:25 | <erikh> | especially when 2/3 of that is stuff I have to clear out and explain has nothing to do with my code |
| 15:25 | <@jed> | there's a line between expecting community contribution and willingness to (at least) acknowledge what some consider a problem |
| 15:25 | <@jed> | it's hard to straddle, so I sympathize |
| 15:25 | <erikh> | jed: there's nothign here about not acknolwedging a problem |
| 15:26 | <@jed> | I think that's what Guspaz was speaking to |
| 15:26 | <@jed> | he made it more general |
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| 15:26 | <erikh> | right, and what I'm saying is, "sure, it's a problem, and if you want to fix it, grant me an army of programmers to deal with all the other problems I have to fix" |
| 15:26 | <@jed> | and I sympathize with that, too :) |
| 15:26 | <erikh> | "or, you can fix it yourself and get what you want done right away" |
| 15:27 | <stefanie> | Who's ready for more snow? |
| 15:27 | <erikh> | why it doubly bugs me is that Gus isn't exactly ponying up for a support contract for his web browser |
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| 15:28 | <steffan> | Hi. I've followed this guide http://library.linode.com/email-guides/postfix/, but trying to access mail with Mail.app isn't working. 'Trying to log into the IMAP server "steffan.in" failed.' |
| 15:28 | <erikh> | if I screamed at $family_member because I wasn't getting what I'd want, and made no effort to earn it, they'd be within full rights to call me a spoiled brat |
| 15:29 | <Guspaz> | erikh: If you want me to examine the business case of Chrome... Google is an advertising company. They produce their browser because it enables them to produce more complex web apps to garner more advertising revenue. I, as a consumer of Google's web apps, produce revenue for them. |
| 15:29 | <erikh> | so don't use their browser |
| 15:29 | <Guspaz> | My complaint about ajaxterm was not directed at Chrome, but at Linode. |
| 15:29 | <erikh> | I presume their apps still work |
| 15:29 | <erikh> | so patch ajaxterm |
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| 15:29 | <erikh> | same issue. |
| 15:29 | <erikh> | you want what you aren't willing to work for. |
| 15:29 | <steffan> | any tests that I can do to find out what is wrong? |
| 15:30 | <Guspaz> | So, if there is ever a problem in an opensource product, you're saying that instead of reporting a bug or voicing dissatisfaction, I should instead abandon the product? |
| 15:30 | <erikh> | what I do is write up a patch and a test that proves my case and submit it with the bug |
| 15:30 | <erikh> | or I scrap it |
| 15:30 | <erikh> | and I do it a lot. |
| 15:31 | <Guspaz> | What if I'm not qualified to write a patch, or don't have the time to go through all the motions? This is getting back to the elitist attitude I was talking about, the idea that users who don't contribute code to opensource products are somehow freeloaders. |
| 15:32 | <Peng> | Users who don't contribute code can still contribute many other valuable things, such as bug reports, testing and community support. |
| 15:32 | <apeiron> | And doc patches. |
| 15:32 | <Peng> | Otherwise I would've totally been thrown out of the FOSS community long ago. :P |
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| 15:32 | <Guspaz> | But should they feel obligated to do so? |
| 15:32 | <Guspaz> | If I convince my parents to install Ubuntu on their home computer, should they be expected to file bug reports even though they can barely make the mouse work? |
| 15:33 | <axod> | chrome are pretty quick to fix bugs as far as I see (my 2c) |
| 15:33 | <erikh> | you have options here |
| 15:33 | <tarpman> | they could pay canonical for a support contract |
| 15:33 | <erikh> | you don't have to use chrome at all |
| 15:33 | <tarpman> | time and money are pretty interchangeable |
| 15:33 | <Guspaz> | What if they don't need support from Canonical? |
| 15:33 | <erikh> | ... |
| 15:33 | <Guspaz> | The idea that users should feel obligated to pay for opensource software, be it via time or money, seems to go against the spirate of OSS to me. |
| 15:34 | <Guspaz> | *spirit |
| 15:34 | <Peng> | Ahh! A freudian slip! You know they're really no better than pirates! :D |
| 15:34 | <Guspaz> | :P |
| 15:34 | <erikh> | some of us use OSS because we can fix our software |
| 15:34 | <apeiron> | Someone has to put food on the table. |
| 15:34 | <@pparadis> | actually Guspaz, a big part of the open source economy is the very concept that as long as you're paying for time (whether that means doing something yourself or paying another person for theirs), the software itself is free of license encumberances |
| 15:34 | <tarpman> | something for nothing doesn't exist in the money-basd world. why should it exist in the OSS world |
| 15:35 | <erikh> | few things are more frustrating than having a system that's broken and you can't fix |
| 15:35 | <apeiron> | tarpman, Because it'd be nice if it did. |
| 15:35 | <tarpman> | apeiron: oh good. I can expect my pony soon then? |
| 15:35 | <erikh> | I've got a buddy right now that's working with a commercial app for schools |
| 15:35 | <erikh> | can't fix it and is finding a ton of 'workarounds' for known bugs |
| 15:35 | <Guspaz> | In the case of both Linode and Chrome, I am paying (money to Linode, and ad revenue and usage tracking for Google). Is it unreasonable, then, to hope for a fix some day? |
| 15:35 | <erikh> | not exactly a unique problem |
| 15:36 | <erikh> | imagine if he could just send them a patch. inorite? |
| 15:36 | <apeiron> | tarpman, p3rl.org/Acme::POE::Knee |
| 15:36 | <apeiron> | tarpman, enjoy |
| 15:36 | <tarpman> | :O |
| 15:36 | <erikh> | apeiron: hahaha. nice. |
| 15:36 | <erikh> | you are not paying anything to google |
| 15:36 | <erikh> | google is making money off of what you do |
| 15:36 | <tarpman> | apeiron++ |
| 15:36 | <erikh> | there is a fundamental difference you slacker |
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| 15:37 | <Guspaz> | erikh: An equitable exchange, don't you think? In exchange for their services, I agree to let them gather personal information and show advertisements to me. |
| 15:37 | <@pparadis> | as far as we go, we certainly try to make sure things like ajaxterm work on as many different platforms as possible, but there are limits to that. |
| 15:37 | <@pparadis> | Guspaz: that's quite different from them paying you. |
| 15:37 | <erikh> | you don't have to use it |
| 15:37 | <@pparadis> | or you paying them, rather |
| 15:37 | <erikh> | no one is putting a gun to your head to make you use chrome |
| 15:38 | <erikh> | hell, it's not like you don't even have other options |
| 15:38 | <erikh> | you have about 6 fully-functional alternatives |
| 15:38 | <Guspaz> | pparadis: Sure, but, the argument was that with OSS, providing services or time was similar to providing payment. |
| 15:38 | <erikh> | knock it off, you're just a lazy fuck with a lot of excuses |
| 15:38 | <@pparadis> | you're not providing time in the same sense at all |
| 15:38 | <Guspaz> | erikh: No need to get so hostlie. |
| 15:38 | <Guspaz> | *hostile |
| 15:38 | <apeiron> | er, that's not hostile. |
| 15:38 | <apeiron> | trust me. |
| 15:38 | <@pparadis> | you're not contributing to the product in time under the concept of either improving it materially or paying someone else to |
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| 15:38 | <apeiron> | if you think that's hostile... heh |
| 15:39 | <Guspaz> | pparadis: Usage data surely does have some benefit. |
| 15:39 | <@pparadis> | not nearly as much as you'd like to assign it |
| 15:39 | <Guspaz> | pparadis: I'm not saying that Linode should feel obligated to fix ajaxterm, just that they should be aware of the issue. |
| 15:39 | <@pparadis> | and we certainly do appreciate all such reports :) |
| 15:39 | <@jed> | ajaxterm was fixed? |
| 15:39 | <@jed> | at least, our rollout of it? |
| 15:40 | <@pparadis> | he's talking about chrome |
| 15:40 | <Guspaz> | jed: The FF bugs were, yes. Not the chrome bugs. |
| 15:40 | <Guspaz> | ajaxterm does not work with chrome. |
| 15:40 | <Guspaz> | Certainly, I understand that chrome's market share being only 20-25% of FF's makes it a lower priority. |
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| 15:43 | <jcy> | <3 chromium, h8 chrome |
| 15:43 | <jcy> | also is the linode dashboard supported under ffox 3.0 |
| 15:44 | <Guspaz> | I think RMS would probably argue that a product that burdens users with the feeling that they're stealing if they don't contribute in some way isn't really a FOSS product. |
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| 15:44 | <@pparadis> | Guspaz: RMS would argue what is in the GPL |
| 15:44 | <axod> | RMS would argue with himself |
| 15:44 | <Guspaz> | Not that I necessarily agree with RMS. |
| 15:44 | <Guspaz> | RMS is... fun. |
| 15:44 | <axod> | or insane |
| 15:44 | <@pparadis> | and there's a huge difference between what RMS wants reality to be and this thing called capitalism |
| 15:45 | <@pparadis> | he doesn't like capitalism very much |
| 15:45 | <Guspaz> | I prefer to pick Woz as a tech-industry idol. |
| 15:45 | <@pparadis> | it's naughty |
| 15:45 | <jcy> | linode *manager, not the linode dashboard |
| 15:45 | <@pparadis> | the Woz is a pretty good guy :) |
| 15:45 | <jcy> | he's a line cutter tho |
| 15:45 | <@pparadis> | !urmom Woz |
| 15:45 | <linbot> | pparadis: Yo momma's so fat, she must have been compiled with --fatroll-loops! (746:5/3) [mmoru] |
| 15:45 | <Guspaz> | o_O |
| 15:46 | <Guspaz> | woz fail. |
| 15:46 | <@pparadis> | dang, that sux |
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| 15:56 | <oru_work> | is it true that google is coming up with their own operating system ? |
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| 15:57 | <bob2> | no |
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| 15:58 | <metap|pe> | i heard they're making their own space station. with a starbucks and everything |
| 15:59 | <axod> | I thought it was a rival "planet earth" |
| 15:59 | <bob2> | and blackjack |
| 15:59 | <bob2> | and hookers |
| 15:59 | <metap|pe> | no, i heard that was put on the back burner due to the current economic downturn |
| 16:00 | <metap|pe> | but the teraforming didn't get cut! whew! |
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| 16:05 | <adam-skyride> | hey, i have just found that diff is not installed on my CentOS linode, is this normally removed from the linode copy of CentOS? |
| 16:05 | <bob2> | the default images are quite minimal |
| 16:05 | <bob2> | but that is rather super minimal |
| 16:05 | <Guspaz> | "sudo yum install diff", I'd imagine. |
| 16:06 | <adam-skyride> | nah i already checked |
| 16:06 | <Guspaz> | Not that I know how to use yum. |
| 16:06 | <adam-skyride> | diff isn't in the normal CentOS repo OR rpmforge |
| 16:06 | <bob2> | what do you mean you already checked? |
| 16:06 | <bob2> | yes it is |
| 16:06 | <amr> | hi, |
| 16:06 | <amr> | i added a dmain to the dns meneger |
| 16:06 | <amr> | but |
| 16:06 | <bob2> | the package is called 'diffutils' |
| 16:06 | <amr> | the domain not working |
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| 16:07 | <adam-skyride> | oh damn |
| 16:07 | <bob2> | adding a domain to the dns manager just adds a domain to the dns manager |
| 16:07 | <adam-skyride> | thank you bob2 |
| 16:07 | <bob2> | you need to wait 15 minutes for it to hit the linode nameservers |
| 16:07 | <Guspaz> | adam-skyride: I imagine that "yum search diff" would haev told you the package name. |
| 16:07 | <bob2> | and then you need to configure your linode to work with it |
| 16:07 | <amr> | its 2 days |
| 16:07 | <amr> | ! |
| 16:07 | <mwalling> | amr: what domain |
| 16:07 | <amr> | www.demo.ps |
| 16:08 | <bob2> | amr: it works fine |
| 16:08 | <mwalling> | works fine here |
| 16:08 | <adam-skyride> | ah Guspaz, didn't think of that |
| 16:08 | <adam-skyride> | used to debian |
| 16:08 | <mwalling> | !dns www.demo.ps |
| 16:08 | <bob2> | www.demo.ps. 86400 IN A 74.207.251.152 |
| 16:08 | <linbot> | mwalling: Host not found. |
| 16:08 | <amr> | http://www.who.is/tools/ping/www.demo.ps/ |
| 16:08 | <adam-skyride> | and simply jumping on packages.debian.org |
| 16:08 | * | mwalling raises an eyebrow |
| 16:08 | <mwalling> | bob2: fwiw, you and i agree |
| 16:08 | <bob2> | ignore some random site |
| 16:08 | <bob2> | it definitely exists on ns1-5.linode.com |
| 16:09 | <Guspaz> | adam-skyride: If you use debian, you'd be expected to do exactly the same thing with something like "aptitude search diff" |
| 16:09 | <amr> | so what? |
| 16:09 | <Battousai> | atp-get 4 lyfe |
| 16:09 | <adam-skyride> | ye, i normally just use apt-get |
| 16:09 | <adam-skyride> | sorry |
| 16:09 | <bob2> | amr: so it is fine |
| 16:09 | <adam-skyride> | thanks anyway :) |
| 16:09 | <bob2> | amr: what problem are you seeing? |
| 16:09 | <Guspaz> | adam-skyride: Then you'd be expected to "apt-cache search diff" |
| 16:09 | <Guspaz> | Which is the apt-get equivalent. |
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| 16:10 | <Guspaz> | Sigh. |
| 16:10 | <amr> | not able to ping... the problem is many friends are saying not working.. |
| 16:10 | <amr> | on my machine it works |
| 16:10 | <Battousai> | demo.ps. 10770 IN SOA ns1.pnina.ps. sys.pnina.ps. 2008101206 10800 3600 604800 38400 |
| 16:11 | <bob2> | perhaps they accessed it before it existed |
| 16:11 | <bob2> | and their isp cached the negative answer |
| 16:12 | <amr> | !dns www.demo.ps |
| 16:12 | <linbot> | amr: Host not found. |
| 16:12 | <Battousai> | that's definitely the case |
| 16:12 | <bob2> | oh wait |
| 16:12 | <bob2> | amr: you didn't redelegate it to ns1-5.linode.com |
| 16:12 | <bob2> | that's your problem |
| 16:12 | <mwalling> | idk, the multi-dns results from revip.info are kinda suspicious |
| 16:12 | <amr> | 1-5? |
| 16:13 | <amr> | 1-4 already! |
| 16:13 | <bob2> | no |
| 16:13 | <jcy> | at the registrar |
| 16:13 | <mwalling> | bob2: acording to PNINA he did |
| 16:13 | <Battousai> | the SOA must expire |
| 16:13 | <mwalling> | http://www.nic.ps/whois/whois.html |
| 16:13 | <bob2> | not according to ns1.pnina.ps |
| 16:13 | * | Solver likes aptitude as a one stop shop cli tool |
| 16:13 | <bob2> | lordy |
| 16:14 | <bob2> | your zone's all messed up |
| 16:14 | <mwalling> | looks like PNINA's problem then. the web site says that hes got ns1 through ns4 |
| 16:14 | <bob2> | different .ps servers give different answers |
| 16:14 | <Solver> | ouch |
| 16:14 | <mwalling> | amr: PNINAs problem. start screaming at them |
| 16:14 | <amr> | i will |
| 16:14 | <Peng> | According to rip.psg.com, it's ns[1-4].linode.com and ns2.pnina.ps. |
| 16:14 | <amr> | ! |
| 16:14 | <jcy> | demo.ps resolves to 74.207.251.152 for me |
| 16:14 | <amr> | so, the solution to add ns5 ? |
| 16:14 | <jcy> | but not www.demo.ps |
| 16:14 | <amr> | maybe? |
| 16:14 | <bob2> | no |
| 16:14 | <jcy> | are you sure you have a www record in there |
| 16:14 | <bob2> | the solution is to ask nic.ps what's up |
| 16:15 | <bob2> | jcy: it exists on ls1-5.linode.com |
| 16:15 | <mwalling> | jcy: and it does for 113 other name servers according to multi-dns |
| 16:15 | <linbot> | New news from forums: My sshd was bruteforced! in General Discussion <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5158>; |
| 16:18 | <amr> | its wierd |
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| 16:18 | <amr> | i call pnina, they said ns1-4 already added... we can do nth for you!! |
| 16:18 | <amr> | :s |
| 16:19 | <mwalling> | amr: sure, its in their database, but not the .ps name servers |
| 16:20 | <@irgeek> | http://p.linode.com/3466 |
| 16:20 | <@irgeek> | That's not a good result... |
| 16:21 | <@irgeek> | amr: The .ps domain is fscked - we can't fix that. |
| 16:22 | <amr> | the problem from the provider! |
| 16:22 | <amr> | right? |
| 16:23 | <@irgeek> | The problem is either your registrar or the root administrators for .ps |
| 16:24 | <amr> | wierd! |
| 16:24 | <Guspaz> | irgeek: It looks like pnina is the root administrator for .ps? |
| 16:25 | <Guspaz> | And the registrar. |
| 16:26 | <amr> | yes |
| 16:26 | <amr> | pnina is! |
| 16:26 | <@irgeek> | Then that's who you need to talk to. |
| 16:26 | <amr> | its just with this domain! |
| 16:26 | <@irgeek> | We still can't fix it. |
| 16:26 | <amr> | thank you guys! |
| 16:27 | <amr> | also am already have http://co.ps ... any idea for it? |
| 16:27 | <amr> | hhhhhhh |
| 16:28 | <JoeK> | This pastebin was developed by Paul Dixon and runs on a Linode 300. |
| 16:28 | <JoeK> | linode 300 is invalid!? |
| 16:28 | <bd_> | irgeek: huh, ns-ps.ripe.net. returns NS records for demo.ps, but all of the records are hidden with +short |
| 16:29 | <bd_> | ah |
| 16:29 | <bd_> | +short hides the authority section |
| 16:29 | <@irgeek> | No... |
| 16:29 | <bd_> | no? |
| 16:29 | <@irgeek> | +short tells dig I only want actual results. |
| 16:29 | <@irgeek> | The other servers returned nothing. |
| 16:29 | <bd_> | right. which the root servers don't need to give you - they give referrals |
| 16:29 | <@irgeek> | Could be SERFAIL or NXDOMAIN... |
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| 16:30 | <@irgeek> | Or other reasons. |
| 16:30 | <bd_> | see http://p.linode.com/3467 |
| 16:30 | <@irgeek> | I'm asking for NS records. |
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| 16:31 | <bd_> | irgeek: yes, my point is, the root servers don't reply with records in the ANSWER section, they reply with records in the AUTHORITY section. The recursive resolver then has to ask one of the AUTHORITY nameservers about its query |
| 16:31 | <bd_> | this applies to all record types, including NS |
| 16:31 | <bd_> | ie, you're not supposed to stop at the ps. nameservers if you want NS demo.ps |
| 16:31 | <@irgeek> | for i in `dig +short ns com`; do echo "=== $i ==="; dig +short @$i ns linode.com; done |
| 16:32 | <@irgeek> | It should look like that. |
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| 16:33 | <bd_> | yes, com. is beind weird there. :) |
| 16:33 | <@pparadis> | strategic typo ^ |
| 16:33 | <bd_> | try that with .info |
| 16:34 | <bd_> | for i in `dig +short ns info`; do echo "=== $i ==="; dig +short @$i ns nic.info; done |
| 16:34 | <bd_> | strictly speaking, com. is being non-conforming here |
| 16:34 | <bd_> | it's not supposed to be authoritative over linode.com |
| 16:34 | <bd_> | it just happens to know that, okay, this server over here can answer your query, which just happens to be for NS linode.com as opposed to A linode.com |
| 16:35 | <Peng> | JoeK: There used to be Linode 300s, IIRC. |
| 16:36 | <JoeK> | i believe an update is in order ;) |
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| 16:37 | <@Perihelion> | Why? If it's working leave it alone |
| 16:37 | <@Perihelion> | Thems the rules of technology |
| 16:37 | <@caker> | if it ain't broke, fix it 'till it is |
| 16:37 | <bd_> | as for what's going on with demo.ps, it seems that ns1.pnina.ps and ns2.pnina.ps have no A record for www.demo.ps, but are listed as authorities on at least some root servers |
| 16:37 | <bd_> | the linode nameservers, however, do return an A record for www.demo.ps (and are also listed on at least some nameservers) |
| 16:38 | <bd_> | er, at least some root nameservers) |
| 16:38 | <bd_> | s/root/tld/ |
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| 16:39 | <bd_> | amr: so in conclusion, find out why ns2.pnina.ps. and ns1.pnina.ps are listed as nameservers and think they're authoritative for your domain |
| 16:40 | <amr> | i'll copy them this conv... |
| 16:40 | <amr> | i appreciate! |
| 16:40 | <bd_> | in particular, since ns1.pnina.ps is also a TLD server, if it thinks it's authoritative, it'll break lookups really badly (this is why that one server returned records in that paste - it's the only one that thinks it's authoritative and returns an ANSWER section - with no linode nameservers!) |
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| 16:41 | <v0lksman> | hey all...any idea if its possible to migrate a disk image from one account to another? |
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| 16:43 | <amr> | is this conv logged somewhere? |
| 16:43 | <jcy> | the NSA and Mossad most likely |
| 16:44 | <Solver> | hahaha |
| 16:44 | <amr> | hahahahaha |
| 16:44 | <Solver> | Echelon rocks! :) |
| 16:44 | <bd_> | amr: http://www.linode.com/irc/logs/ |
| 16:44 | <amr> | really! |
| 16:44 | <amr> | thanks |
| 16:44 | <amr> | hhhhhhh |
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| 16:46 | <amr> | ciao guys! |
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| 16:51 | <Yaakov> | Actually, NASA logs this channel. |
| 16:52 | <@Perihelion> | For every Linode you buy we will donate 5 lines of text |
| 16:54 | <Yaakov> | I just got my Streamlight Stylus Pro® and I rather like it. |
| 16:54 | <Yaakov> | It will replace my Akoray for EDC. |
| 16:54 | <Guspaz> | Hmm, 24 lumen. |
| 16:54 | <Yaakov> | It's much lower profile, though not nearly as bright. |
| 16:55 | <Yaakov> | But lately I am in "nicer" clothes, so... |
| 16:55 | <Yaakov> | The Akoray is about 150 lumens at high output. |
| 16:55 | <jcy> | this guy in a remote office is telling me that he's trying to activate a blackberry on Boost Mobile that has BIS/BES support, anyone ever heard of prepaid blackberry? |
| 16:55 | <@Perihelion> | Nice clothes are overrated |
| 16:56 | <Guspaz> | Nice that it uses AAAs, since you can use Eneloops. Of course, Eneloops will only provide 80% of the brightness at first, since they're only 1.2v |
| 16:56 | <Yaakov> | Perihelion: I look great in nice clothes. Very distinguished. |
| 16:56 | <Guspaz> | But I can't remember, I thin that the voltage curve on Alkalines dropped down way below 1.5v pretty fast anyhow. |
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| 16:57 | <Yaakov> | Guspaz: For the sort of thing I am doing with it, 80% is fine. I use it for spot task lighting. |
| 16:57 | <@Perihelion> | Yaakov: I'm not sure how I look in them, but I *feel* like an asshat :3 |
| 16:58 | <Yaakov> | Well, I can pull it off. I am err... mature. |
| 16:58 | <Yaakov> | I look like someone in charge. |
| 16:58 | <jcy> | huh, so there is prepaid BB and it's $60/month for unlimited talk/txt/BIS |
| 16:58 | <Guspaz> | http://www.powerstream.com/AA-tests.htm |
| 16:58 | <jcy> | but BES is unavailable |
| 16:58 | <Guspaz> | Looks like the higher voltage on Alkalines don't last long anyhow. |
| 16:59 | <Guspaz> | And low-self-discharge batteries like Eneloop are supposed to have flatter discharge curves than regular NiMH, which I presume this test used. |
| 16:59 | <Yaakov> | Guspaz: In the Akoray I use a LiIon AA. |
| 16:59 | <Yaakov> | Guspaz: The Akoray may be the best deal in a light on the planet. |
| 17:00 | <Yaakov> | I have Eneloops in my scanner (radio). |
| 17:00 | <Guspaz> | Hhrrm, are you sure you mean LiIon? You can't get those in AA, AFAIK. |
| 17:00 | <Guspaz> | "Energizer Lithium" is not LiIon. |
| 17:00 | <Yaakov> | Guspaz: They are not ~1.5V, they are 3.7 |
| 17:00 | <Guspaz> | Ah. |
| 17:01 | <Guspaz> | Must be tough to find chargers for them. |
| 17:01 | <Guspaz> | AA LiIon are incredibly rare. |
| 17:02 | <Yaakov> | Guspaz: Not at all: http://www.dealextreme.com/search.dx/search.14500 |
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| 17:02 | <Yaakov> | dealextreme.com FTW |
| 17:02 | <Yaakov> | 14500 cells |
| 17:03 | <Guspaz> | Hrrm, I don't really trust chinese batteries. I've seen NiMH roundups, and the Chinese ones were always the absolute worst performers. Like, the brand didn't matter, the origin company did. |
| 17:03 | <Yaakov> | Also see: http://www.dealextreme.com/search.dx/search.Akoray |
| 17:03 | <Yaakov> | Well, I am using the 14500s and they are excellent. |
| 17:03 | <Yaakov> | And cheap as dirt. |
| 17:03 | <Guspaz> | Hmm, although, deal extreme has eneloops... I was buying them from Dell ($15 CAD per 4xAA), assuming they're not fake I might buy them there... |
| 17:04 | <Yaakov> | I bought some, they were not fake. |
| 17:04 | <@pparadis> | http://www.onlybatteries.com/cat_featured_items.asp?cat1=27&cat=2&id=162&uid=1106 |
| 17:04 | <Yaakov> | But don't discount the LiIons. |
| 17:04 | <Yaakov> | The thing about DE is that they do not censor the reviews. So you can actually see what's trash. |
| 17:04 | <Yaakov> | HELLO PPPPPPARADIS |
| 17:04 | <@pparadis> | HEEEELLLOOOO |
| 17:05 | <Guspaz> | Surely a single AA doesn't last long, though... |
| 17:05 | <Guspaz> | 3.33Wh, it looks like. |
| 17:05 | <Yaakov> | It lasts for WEEKS in my use. |
| 17:05 | <Yaakov> | This is my EDC light: http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.16607 |
| 17:05 | <Yaakov> | And I charge about once a month. |
| 17:06 | <Guspaz> | Hmm, it looks like they last one hour per charge. |
| 17:06 | <Yaakov> | At high output. |
| 17:07 | <Guspaz> | It does look like it'd be useful for when you need a really bright light in a small place. Like trying to get a light into the depths of a computer where you can't shine the light directly because of all the cables/cards/etc... |
| 17:08 | <Yaakov> | It's a nice light, but the Stylus Pro is going to be good for me. |
| 17:08 | <warewolf> | and make suggestions from the sidelines. |
| 17:09 | <Yaakov> | I need to write it up for the blog... along with the Akoray, which I never did. |
| 17:09 | <warewolf> | argh misfire. apologies |
| 17:09 | <tjfontaine> | you're on a roll today |
| 17:09 | <Yaakov> | warewolf: I will never forgive you now. |
| 17:09 | <@Perihelion> | REPENT |
| 17:10 | <@pparadis> | SINNERS, REPENT |
| 17:10 | <Guspaz> | I bought one of these, I've used it to tether my iphone when I didn't have my cable with me: http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.11866 |
| 17:11 | <Yaakov> | My son got one of those, it worked really well. |
| 17:12 | <Yaakov> | Guspaz: These are great but very technically complex: http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.10547 |
| 17:12 | * | pparadis is hungry now |
| 17:13 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 17:13 | <Guspaz> | lol |
| 17:13 | <@pparadis> | 1 guy 1 frisbee |
| 17:14 | <@pparadis> | awesome review excerpt --> "The poop on this airborne device is great. It nearly looked real, and it's squishy and quite a fun toy to play with. I bought this for a friend, they loved it. I wish I got one for myself!" |
| 17:14 | <@pparadis> | wow |
| 17:15 | <Guspaz> | Hrrm, the Eneloops on DE are slightly suspicious; one review reported that they were slightly larger than his other eneloops. |
| 17:15 | <Guspaz> | As in, even if they're not fake, apparently they're "different" |
| 17:16 | <Yaakov> | Guspaz: The ones I bought have performed very well. |
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| 17:18 | <linbot> | New news from linodelibrary: Using Postfix with Dovecot and MySQL on Debian 5 (Lenny) <http://library.linode.com/email-guides/postfix/postfix-dovecot-mysql-debian-5-lenny>; || Using CouchDB for Document Based Data Storage on Debian 5 (Lenny) <http://library.linode.com/databases/couchdb/debian-5-lenny>; || Deploying and Configuring osCommerce on Ubuntu 9.10 (Karmic) <http://library.linode.com/web-applications/oscommerce/oscommerce-ubuntu-karmic>; |
| 17:18 | <Guspaz> | Annoyance: DE charges shipping on bulk rate orders (3+). But it's not so bad because the bulk rate discount usually is a bunch more than the shipping anyhow. |
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| 17:18 | <Guspaz> | Well, I'll probably buy some more from DE when my current crop of alkalines run down and my current 12 eneloops are all in devices. |
| 17:19 | <Guspaz> | Randomly, anybody know where I can get a battery holder, rather than just having my AAs around loose? |
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| 17:21 | <Yaakov> | Guspaz: ˇhttp://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.3558 |
| 17:21 | <Guspaz> | ooh, just what I was looking for. |
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| 17:22 | <Guspaz> | Now if only I could pick the colour. |
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| 18:04 | <mwalling> | caker: linode podcast? |
| 18:04 | <@caker> | :> |
| 18:04 | <mwalling> | there are 2 uses for that, and i'm fairly sure you dont run a recording studio |
| 18:05 | <bob2> | "sounds of the server room" |
| 18:05 | <mwalling> | thats an expensive mic for something you could fake by tuning in a random AM station :) |
| 18:06 | * | mwalling reads further through his timeline and sees he's not the only person who guessed podcast |
| 18:07 | <mwalling> | holy crap... i was looking at the pic on MF... i thought the mic cable was unbalanced |
| 18:07 | <tjfontaine> | is caker reopening his studio? |
| 18:09 | <mwalling> | upon further consideration, i withdraw my assumption |
| 18:09 | <mwalling> | but, a linode podcast would be awesome |
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| 18:14 | <mwalling> | purrdeta: <3 |
| 18:14 | <mwalling> | showing my cross network <3 :) |
| 18:15 | <Guspaz> | Did I miss something? caker didn't say anything before mwalling? |
| 18:16 | <purrdeta> | mwalling: <3 |
| 18:16 | <purrdeta> | There is so much <3 everywhere! |
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| 18:32 | <linbot> | New news from forums: squirrelmail? in General Discussion <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5140>; |
| 18:32 | <@pparadis> | i <3 urmom |
| 18:33 | <mwalling> | do you <3 twirssi? |
| 18:34 | <jtsage> | i always forget this... cron: 42 */4 * * * /home... 4:42, 8:42, 12:42, etc... right? |
| 18:35 | <mwalling> | yes |
| 18:35 | <mwalling> | i think |
| 18:36 | <jtsage> | it may be off an hour. not sure if cron starts from 0 or 1, but it doesn't really matter. just need it to go every 4hrs or so, and not on the hour (cleanup that will interfere with another that does run on the tick) |
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| 18:44 | <adnc> | is there a way to suppress crontab logs into syslog? i've some, those are executed every five minutes and blows the logs unnecessarily |
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| 18:58 | <jtsage> | adnc - take a look at /etc/syslog.conf - you can redirect it elsewhere |
| 18:59 | <adnc> | jtsage, i thought there would be an easier way like telling cron in the crontab files. but thank you |
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| 19:01 | * | irgeek wishes he walked in sooner so he could make the joke about logs being blown and urmom |
| 19:08 | <Gnewt> | Hey guys. Would someone mind seeing is f ht |
| 19:08 | <Gnewt> | gr |
| 19:08 | <Gnewt> | console |
| 19:08 | <Gnewt> | Would somoeone mind seeing is if* http://www.gnewt.at is up? |
| 19:08 | <Gnewt> | I can't backspace from lish |
| 19:08 | <Gnewt> | sorry for typos |
| 19:08 | <mwalling> | Gnewt: try C-h |
| 19:08 | <jcy> | 403 forbidden |
| 19:08 | <Gnewt> | Oh, CTrl-H works |
| 19:09 | <Gnewt> | jcy: Hmm, I can't even access it from here. |
| 19:09 | <Gnewt> | won't resolve it seems, in the browser |
| 19:09 | <jtsage> | same, 403 |
| 19:09 | <jcy> | resolves to 64.62.228.95 |
| 19:10 | <Gnewt> | Oops local issue |
| 19:10 | <Gnewt> | /etc/resolver... sigh |
| 19:10 | <Peng> | Ew, you only have 3 name servers, and two are sequential? |
| 19:10 | <Gnewt> | Peng: Yep :P. Have a solution? |
| 19:10 | <Peng> | Gnewt: Linode's DNS service? |
| 19:10 | <Gnewt> | Can I use it as a slave? |
| 19:10 | <Peng> | Gnewt: Yes. |
| 19:11 | <Gnewt> | Fixed the 403. :) |
| 19:12 | <jcy> | i don't appreciate the profanity in your blogging Gnewt |
| 19:12 | <jcy> | there might be children in here |
| 19:12 | <mwalling> | fuck that |
| 19:13 | <@irgeek> | Might be? From the average level of conversation in here I was under the impression it was mostly children. |
| 19:13 | <stefanie> | oh snap |
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| 19:13 | <Gnewt> | jcy: It was really an experiment to see if my teacher would notice. She claims she reads my blog. Rather, notice or say anything. |
| 19:13 | <Gnewt> | Haha, I am a child... technically |
| 19:14 | <jcy> | i like the wp theme |
| 19:15 | <Gnewt> | Thanks. |
| 19:15 | <Gnewt> | irgeek: Hey, wiki.linode.com displays the blog :P |
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| 19:15 | <jcy> | hmmm, can't read the homepage though |
| 19:16 | <Gnewt> | Hrm? |
| 19:16 | <jcy> | www.mono-lab.net is jap char's. i'm guessing that monochrome 1000 download link is the theme tho |
| 19:17 | <Gnewt> | Yeah I suppose so. I found it on the WP Themes website so I haven't seen the Japanese. |
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| 19:33 | <BarkerJr> | bug bots... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSS29-THbyY |
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| 19:44 | <BarkerJr> | y'know, I could be convinced to move to dallas is someone would hook the two private networks together :) |
| 19:45 | <snassar> | I wouldn't mve to dallas if you plugged the the intertubes into my skull with fiber |
| 19:45 | <jcy> | i enjoyed the bbq when i was in dallas |
| 19:46 | <jcy> | also a lot of nice people in the city anyway |
| 19:47 | <BarkerJr> | the server bbq? |
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| 19:49 | * | snassar is worried that jcy is so intimately linking nice people to bbq... |
| 19:50 | <snassar> | it's people! It's made of people! |
| 19:50 | <adnc> | `cat /proc/diskstats | sed -n 's/^.*hda \([0-9]*\)[0-9]*.\([0-9]*\)[0-9]*.\([0-9]*\)[0-9]*.\([0-9]*\)[0-9]*.\([0-9]*\)[0-9]*.\([0-9]*\)[0-9]*.\([0-9]*\)[0-9]*.*$/\3:\7/p'`; |
| 19:50 | <BarkerJr> | egads |
| 19:50 | <adnc> | i get an error saying unterminated s command |
| 19:51 | <adnc> | does someone see where i did the mistake with regex, it should be used in perl |
| 19:51 | * | bob2 hands adnc gratuitous use of cat award |
| 19:52 | <snassar> | usually, and it's just me, I'd be pasting that shit in pastebin instead of the channel directly |
| 19:52 | <Peng> | It's only one line. |
| 19:52 | <Peng> | Now, sending people long regexps without a warning is cruel, but... |
| 19:52 | <adnc> | sorry |
| 19:52 | <adnc> | i didn't want to disturb, i just needed some help |
| 19:53 | <@caker> | adnc: start removing stuff and adding it back until it breaks |
| 19:53 | <BarkerJr> | that regexp better be the recipe for bbq sauce :) |
| 19:54 | <snassar> | adnc: well as far at channel manners go its the equivalent of feeling up cousin Sally at a family reunion. Some people might complain but nobody is really hurt. |
| 19:54 | <adnc> | thanks ;) |
| 19:56 | <adnc> | fortunately it works on the shell |
| 19:57 | <adnc> | i forgot perl and myself |
| 19:57 | <adnc> | there are escaping rules in perl i can't remember |
| 19:59 | <snassar> | nobody escapes perl |
| 19:59 | <snassar> | not even with a spoon and a poster |
| 20:00 | <adnc> | thats true |
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| 20:04 | <jforman2> | are there network issues in atlanta? i'm unable to get to my node there |
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| 20:06 | < | ^robertj> hey all, I'm doing some dev work and got an io warning from linode that didn't sound too bad, but now my ssh sessions are randomly dropping even though performance seems good, any possibility the 2 are related? |
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| 20:07 | <bob2> | run top and see |
| 20:07 | * | bob2 got picardfacepalmed at work |
| 20:07 | <JoeK> | i pity you |
| 20:07 | <JoeK> | !urmom |
| 20:07 | <linbot> | JoeK: Yo momma's so cheap, she sublets a 360! (740:5/0) [momru] |
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| 20:08 | <DeadWisdom> | Anyone else having trouble with net to their server? |
| 20:08 | <bob2> | are you in atlanta? |
| 20:08 | <bob2> | ^robertj: ditto |
| 20:08 | <DeadWisdom> | Yes. |
| 20:08 | <DeadWisdom> | Atlanta, yes. |
| 20:08 | <jforman2> | DeadWisdom, i just did, but am now able to get back in |
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| 20:09 | < | ^robertj> <- atlanta |
| 20:09 | <picipod> | I'm having issues with atlanta34 as well. |
| 20:09 | < | ^robertj> and i'm like...30mi from the place |
| 20:09 | <DeadWisdom> | It's been going up and down. |
| 20:09 | <bob2> | ^robertj: mind driving over and having a look? |
| 20:10 | <jforman> | i'm on atlanta89, and went awol for maybe 90-120 seconds, but uptime on my node looks fine. |
| 20:10 | <bob2> | anyone filed ticketz? |
| 20:10 | <picipod> | My home internet has been having issues too, wasn't sure what it was. Wanted to check here first. |
| 20:10 | < | ^robertj> i'm not going alone |
| 20:10 | < | ^robertj> but I'm always up for a posse |
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| 20:12 | <DeadWisdom> | Looks like the internet is broken in Atlanta. |
| 20:12 | <DeadWisdom> | Oh well. |
| 20:12 | <DeadWisdom> | Hopefully the tremors are over. |
| 20:12 | <DeadWisdom> | Be well all. |
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| 20:19 | <amitz> | is 4chan that powerful? I mean having significant capability to DDOS entity they don't like if they really unite for a common cause? |
| 20:20 | <jtsage> | amitz- well, consider the amount of spare time you must have if your spending all your time trolling 4chan and suddenly cut off... |
| 20:21 | <jtsage> | fwiw, i have fios here - checked when I saw the story, and I'm not seeing any filtering. seems the same amount of deplorable crap that's always there. |
| 20:24 | <amitz> | jtsage: hmm, so, assuming no bot/software used to DDOS an entity, I guess the effect of them reloading a page can be greater than slashdot. :-p |
| 20:24 | <synapt> | 4chan is not 'powerful', most of the kids that lurk that site are morons, few people there really have any decent ability to seriously DDoS |
| 20:24 | <amitz> | manually |
| 20:24 | <thegodlikehobo> | they also save cats, mind you. |
| 20:25 | <amitz> | and hobos |
| 20:26 | <amitz> | Informative wikipedia entry on hobo. |
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| 20:27 | <thegodlikehobo> | ha. "notable people who have hoboed". i wasn't aware "hobo" could be a verb. |
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| 20:40 | <owlmanatt> | props to whoever added "This Month's Network Transfer Pool" to the linode manager |
| 20:40 | <owlmanatt> | i'm pretty sure that wasn't there before, at least |
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| 20:42 | <BarkerJr> | where? |
| 20:42 | <BarkerJr> | ooh, that is cool |
| 20:43 | <BarkerJr> | I was gonna ask, but I had no idea how it could be implimented |
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| 20:46 | <amitz> | BarkerJr: let them do the hard thinking ;-) |
| 20:46 | <BarkerJr> | I want a graph |
| 20:46 | <amitz> | I want ponies |
| 20:46 | <amitz> | and urmom |
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| 20:48 | * | snassar wants urmom drawing a graph on your pony |
| 20:48 | <snassar> | there, grand unified meme |
| 20:49 | <snassar> | aka GUM, |
| 20:49 | <stefanie> | http://shutupwomangetonmyhorse.com/ |
| 20:49 | <amitz> | this is bigger than combining Relativity and Quantum! |
| 20:49 | <BarkerJr> | amitz: cougars are sexy |
| 20:49 | <snassar> | henceforth to be marketed by new Got GUM? campaign |
| 20:50 | <snassar> | guerilla marketers, known as GUMshoes, are already creating just barely disguised advertising flashmobs |
| 20:50 | <amitz> | BarkerJr: but will probably work for their pleasures only. :-p |
| 20:51 | <BarkerJr> | 1200GB Quota, 165GB Used, 1035GB Remaining |
| 20:52 | <jcy> | BarkerJr here's a vid of what i find to be an almost perfect cougar |
| 20:52 | <jcy> | http://player.delvenetworks.com/preview/?m=9d5820cb1f974679bfe5ac0f04171ac9 |
| 20:52 | <jcy> | also brett favre's wife |
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| 20:53 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 20:53 | <BarkerJr> | lol |
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| 21:07 | <jforman2> | another round of packetloss/etc in atlanta? i'm seeing 83% loss from the penultimate hop to my node |
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| 21:07 | <bob2> | tickettime |
| 21:07 | <duedd> | I think so |
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| 21:07 | < | ^robertj> ja |
| 21:09 | * | jforman2 runs mtr for the ticket |
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| 21:10 | <jforman2> | ticket filed |
| 21:11 | <jforman2> | ahoy !ops ? |
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| 21:13 | <linbot> | New news from blog: Bandwidth Pooling <http://blog.linode.com/2010/02/08/bandwidth-pooling/>; |
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| 21:25 | <orudie> | whats a good way to check packet loss ? |
| 21:25 | <@pparadis> | mtr --report |
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| 21:34 | <lacker> | hey, is there any sort of automatic linode background process that runs once every four hours? I'm seeing a slowdown in my database that regularly happens every 4 hours and it doesnt appear to correspond to anything I can find. |
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| 21:34 | <@caker> | lacker: nope |
| 21:36 | <amitz> | lacker: stupid question but cron? |
| 21:36 | <@caker> | http://news.cnet.com/8301-17852_3-10448744-71.html <-- huh .. not bad :) |
| 21:36 | <lacker> | nothing I set up runs every four hours. i checked crontabs for my user, root, postgres... nothing I can find |
| 21:37 | <@caker> | lacker++ for proper use of "set up" |
| 21:37 | <amitz> | I guess wait for that 4 hour and have top handy? |
| 21:38 | <lacker> | I've done that - there is nothing noticeable except a bunch more postgres processes launch. which is happening because every postgres query has ~ 2 second latency |
| 21:38 | <lacker> | happens every day from 1:58-2:00, 5:58-6:00, 9:58-10:00 |
| 21:39 | <lacker> | i tried having postgres log at debug5 during that time but nothing out of the ordinary. although at this point it seems likely to be postgres-specific |
| 21:39 | <@caker> | lacker++ for proper use of "every day" |
| 21:39 | <@caker> | lacker: I love you |
| 21:40 | <lacker> | heh. yeah I am pretty anal about grammar |
| 21:40 | <@caker> | that shit drives me bonkers |
| 21:40 | <amitz> | WAIT! I thought you must put comma after "yeah"? :-p |
| 21:40 | <lacker> | nah that's optional. |
| 21:41 | <chesty> | it's not the vacuum is it? |
| 21:42 | <amitz> | dang :-p |
| 21:42 | <lacker> | it autovacuums every minute so I don't think that's it |
| 21:42 | <amitz> | caker: sweet ad, makes me giddy inside. |
| 21:45 | <lacker> | well thanks for the advice. i should check on #postgresql |
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| 21:46 | <amitz> | lacker: if you're stump and nothing better to do, perhaps try to fastforward you clock, see if it's something than run every 4 hours or time based trigger :-p |
| 21:53 | <snassar> | ah crap! I'm up on 0.5% of my bandwidth allocation |
| 21:54 | <snassar> | s/up/coming\ up/ |
| 21:57 | <amitz> | did anybody notice that the guy search for cafe but click on cabaret in google superbowl ad? |
| 22:00 | <jcy> | the cynical part in me laughed when i saw "jobs in paris" |
| 22:00 | <amitz> | jcy: because nobody will move for that? no job in paris? I'm quite ignorant here :-) |
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| 22:02 | <jcy> | i'm operating off 5 year old info here |
| 22:03 | <jcy> | but a good friend of mine is french, and lives in paris. he once told me about how incredibly difficult it is for ex-pats to get a job in france, let alone paris |
| 22:04 | <jcy> | the unemployment rate at the time was sky high so there was no way the gov't was going to allow foreign knowledge workers, but again that was 5 years ago |
| 22:04 | <jcy> | oh wait, 8 years ago |
| 22:04 | <jcy> | jeez it just doesn't feel like a decade has passed since 2000 |
| 22:05 | <duedd> | time goes faster as your age. at least it feels that way for me :) |
| 22:06 | <amitz> | jcy: time seems to move slower when you're old, old man. :-p |
| 22:06 | <amitz> | sorry, faster :-p |
| 22:06 | <jcy> | i don't know. i'm 38 but i still feel like a depraved high schooler |
| 22:06 | <@irgeek> | The hardest part about an ex-pat getting a job in France is the language barrier. I've heard your French pretty much needs to be impeccable. |
| 22:07 | <jcy> | i think the french feel the way about their language, the same way americans feel about english. like everyone around them should know it, almost unconsciously to accommodate them |
| 22:07 | <amitz> | ah, I think I've heard about that one. They look down on you if you have accent. |
| 22:08 | <snassar> | my brother doesn't speak a lick of French and he didn't find that at all when he was there |
| 22:09 | <jcy> | jeez did anyone see this http://kmandla.wordpress.com/2010/02/08/kolibri-1-44mb-of-cute/ |
| 22:09 | <snassar> | in fact his comments were on the order of: as long as you try and don't assume everyone in france speaks English most people treat you very well |
| 22:09 | <jcy> | a 1.44MB OS w/ a GUI |
| 22:09 | <amitz> | snassar: usually you'll have to wait for around 1 year before reality sets in. |
| 22:10 | <amitz> | snassar: not negating you, just an information that may be used to modify your statement :-p |
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| 22:10 | <snassar> | wallahi if you are in a country for a year and haven't made serious efforts to learn the language that's really your problem |
| 22:11 | <snassar> | a year as an adult with a new language won't make you poet laureate, but it covers a lot of ground |
| 22:11 | <amitz> | you may learn the language but accent is hard to get rid off unless you're ...uh languagely talented? |
| 22:11 | * | amitz hides from caker. |
| 22:11 | <snassar> | if you setup your language education properly... |
| 22:12 | <snassar> | ;) |
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| 22:14 | <amitz> | snassar: well.. how well? I mean, I know someone who went to an english speaking country, became a top amway (yeah, amway) IBO, but still have accent. Not many other oppotunities expose you to a language more than multi level marketing community. |
| 22:15 | <snassar> | amitz: you can converse well with an accent |
| 22:16 | <snassar> | you can even converse at a high level with an accent |
| 22:16 | <snassar> | the US built a space program on the tongue of highly accented english speakers |
| 22:16 | <amitz> | snassar: yeah but my point was, they look down on you if you speak with accent. But cmiiw. |
| 22:17 | <amitz> | in france. |
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| 22:17 | <snassar> | that's a great modifier. |
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| 22:17 | <snassar> | like "in bed" |
| 22:17 | <duedd> | amitz: i wouldn't generalize all french people that way, but yes, certain people may. :) |
| 22:19 | <amitz> | duedd: yeah, people vary. :-) |
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| 22:22 | <amitz> | what I was saying is that the all countries are like bell curve. Some are more tilted/distorted/etc than others. |
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| 22:22 | <BarkerJr> | like iran? |
| 22:22 | <amitz> | BarkerJr: wha? |
| 22:22 | <BarkerJr> | is it like a bell curve? |
| 22:23 | * | amitz smacks BarkerJr silly. |
| 22:23 | <BarkerJr> | :/ |
| 22:23 | <BarkerJr> | I need more linodes |
| 22:24 | <amitz> | I need more free linodes. |
| 22:24 | <BarkerJr> | :) |
| 22:25 | <Peng> | Get more money. Then you can get more Linodes, and other stuff too. |
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| 22:25 | <encode> | Peng: so basically, your logic goes like this: 1) get more money 2) ??? 3) get more linodes 4) ??? 5) Profit! |
| 22:26 | <BarkerJr> | hey, there's a fremont available! |
| 22:26 | <snassar> | Peng's logic is full of ??? |
| 22:26 | <Peng> | !avail-he |
| 22:26 | <linbot> | Peng: Fremont360 - 0, Fremont540 - 1, Fremont720 - 0, Fremont1080 - 0, Fremont1440 - 0, Fremont2880 - 0, Fremont5760 - 0 |
| 22:26 | <Peng> | The "???" involves finding a purpose for more Linodes. And anime. |
| 22:27 | <BarkerJr> | anime ftw |
| 22:27 | <amitz> | it's difficult to find a 3 letter word to transition those steps.. |
| 22:27 | <amitz> | manga ftw, anime acceptably ftw. |
| 22:27 | <snassar> | 1) get more money 2) ??? 3) get more linodes 4) BBQ 5) Profit! |
| 22:28 | <snassar> | there, I plugged one gap |
| 22:28 | <BarkerJr> | furries ftw |
| 22:28 | <lacker> | hey, how can I check my io token usage? i tried cat /proc/io_status as per the wiki but there's nothing there |
| 22:28 | <Peng> | Put "XXX" in the other one. ;-) |
| 22:28 | <amitz> | anime furries ftw |
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| 22:28 | <BarkerJr> | yes! |
| 22:29 | <Peng> | lacker: Xen doesn't support /proc/io_status. I guess you just have to look at the graphs? Or run Munin. |
| 22:29 | <Peng> | lacker: Ehh, there's probably some general Linux information -- e.g. vmstat -- but nothing Linode or Xen-specific. |
| 22:29 | <amitz> | BarkerJr: we understand each other. |
| 22:29 | <BarkerJr> | quite |
| 22:29 | * | snassar is scared |
| 22:30 | <BarkerJr> | it took us almost a year, but we finally understand eachother |
| 22:30 | <adnc> | jed, hello, is it a secret how the formating of the iphone-app stats is done with rrdtool? |
| 22:30 | <jtsage> | lacker- also, unless you've had a linode for quite a while, the concept of io tokens is largely not applicable now. (somebody correct me if i'm wrong) |
| 22:30 | <sungo> | they're not. |
| 22:30 | <sungo> | if they were, ratemylinode would still be awesome :) |
| 22:30 | <amitz> | and we're looking to expand our community (by any mean necessary). |
| 22:31 | <snassar> | ismylinodehotornot.com is available |
| 22:31 | <amitz> | community who understand each other. |
| 22:31 | <Peng> | amitz: Looking to expand a community? Bribe prospective members with Linodes! |
| 22:32 | <snassar> | with enough linodes you can have a linharem |
| 22:32 | <amitz> | Peng: umm... since my original goal is getting more free linodes, perhaps you have a community you'd like me to join? ;-) |
| 22:32 | <adnc> | amitz, more free linodes? how do you get one? |
| 22:32 | <amitz> | snassar: who exchange stuff with each other. |
| 22:33 | <snassar> | you have to cat /proc/caker |
| 22:33 | <amitz> | adnc: by joining the church of Peng. |
| 22:33 | <adnc> | is it the church of the painted brust? |
| 22:33 | <snassar> | amitz: I only exchange stuff on private IPs |
| 22:34 | -!- | mode/#linode [+o linbot] by caker |
| 22:34 | <@caker> | !rr |
| 22:34 | -!- | caker was kicked from #linode by linbot [BANG!] |
| 22:34 | * | linbot reloads and spins the chambers. |
| 22:34 | -!- | caker [~caker@caker.sponsor.oftc.net] has joined #linode |
| 22:34 | -!- | mode/#linode [+o caker] by ChanServ |
| 22:34 | <Peng> | caker: \o/ |
| 22:34 | <adnc> | breast |
| 22:34 | -!- | mode/#linode [-o linbot] by caker |
| 22:34 | <amitz> | snassar: but many hosts will benefit if the exchange is done publicly. |
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| 22:35 | <adnc> | amitz how do you get free linodes? |
| 22:35 | <snassar> | adnc: its a joke. |
| 22:35 | <adnc> | ohh |
| 22:36 | <Peng> | My religion is not a joke! Heretic! |
| 22:36 | <snassar> | I thought : cat/proc/caker gave it away.... |
| 22:36 | <amitz> | adnc: but do you trust snassar? :-p |
| 22:36 | <snassar> | hah hah |
| 22:36 | <adnc> | amitz, it depends on his religion |
| 22:36 | <adnc> | if he believes in peng, yes |
| 22:37 | <snassar> | mv ~/religion /dev/null |
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| 22:37 | <adnc> | snassar, absolutely |
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| 22:39 | <snassar> | and if you're going to keep a ~/religion definately don't cp ~/religion ~/religion.forward |
| 22:39 | <adnc> | cat /dev/urandom > ~/religion |
| 22:40 | <Peng> | adnc: That'll end badly. |
| 22:40 | <snassar> | adnc: california? |
| 22:40 | <adnc> | snassar, germany |
| 22:40 | <adnc> | peng but at least it gets an end |
| 22:42 | <wastrel> | been having sporadic problems on my atlanta linode |
| 22:42 | <wastrel> | things freezing up |
| 22:42 | <amitz> | wastrel: packets dropped? |
| 22:43 | <wastrel> | yeah |
| 22:43 | <chesty> | !rr |
| 22:43 | <linbot> | chesty: *click* |
| 22:43 | <jforman> | wastrel: there were some upstream issues earlier this evenint EDT (http://status.linode.com) |
| 22:43 | <wastrel> | thanks i'll remember that url |
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| 22:48 | <@caker> | wastrel: should be resolved now |
| 22:50 | <wastrel> | word |
| 22:53 | <wastrel> | that job you've got posted on your site - is it work from home? |
| 22:54 | -!- | adnc [~numer@77-21-205-138-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: bye] |
| 22:57 | <@irgeek> | Nein. |
| 22:58 | <chesty> | net |
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| 22:58 | <@irgeek> | "All positions are located in Absecon, NJ (map)" |
| 22:58 | <snassar> | it will be awesome when caker opens Linode Minneapolis |
| 22:59 | -!- | zack [~zack@c-98-210-109-85.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #linode |
| 23:00 | <snassar> | especially since it open Linode up to the coveted South and North Dakota market |
| 23:01 | <@Perihelion> | I wanna move to London :( |
| 23:02 | <stefanie> | I hear ya Perihelion |
| 23:02 | <amitz> | Perihelion: are you inspired by that google ad? |
| 23:02 | <snassar> | I don't think there's a town called London in the Dakotas |
| 23:02 | * | irgeek makes a note in the calendar to open an office in Minneapolis 10 minutes after pigs learn to fly |
| 23:02 | <amitz> | unlikely but I like saying that :-p |
| 23:02 | <@Perihelion> | amitz: No, I just miss England :P |
| 23:02 | <amitz> | Perihelion: ooh, brit! |
| 23:03 | <stefanie> | so jealous |
| 23:03 | <snassar> | irgeek: well with genetic engineering I'm hopeful. in 250 years you'll eat those words. |
| 23:03 | <@irgeek> | In 250 years Minneapolis might be a real city too. |
| 23:03 | <stefanie> | Perihelion: I'm a Navy brat, and I never left state side. |
| 23:03 | <@Perihelion> | amitz: Nah, I just go there lots |
| 23:03 | <@Perihelion> | stefanie: Really? o.O I've been all over the world |
| 23:04 | <@irgeek> | Been to Namibia? |
| 23:04 | <snassar> | irgeek: let's not get ahead of ourselves |
| 23:04 | <@irgeek> | I said *might* |
| 23:04 | <wastrel> | yeah i saw that figured i'd confirm |
| 23:04 | <snassar> | irgeek: :) |
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| 23:05 | * | irgeek sleeps! |
| 23:05 | * | snassar wonders how many slackers the "must move to Jersey" clause weeds out |
| 23:05 | <@Perihelion> | Never been to Nambia |
| 23:05 | <sub> | I never enjoy driving through NJ |
| 23:05 | <stefanie> | Perhelion:Lucky, we could have gone to Japan but we would have had to quarantine our dogs for 3 months. Mom said no. :( |
| 23:06 | <@Perihelion> | +i |
| 23:06 | <@irgeek> | So not *all over* the world, it seems. :p |
| 23:06 | <@Perihelion> | stefanie: I went to Japan. It was freaking awesome. |
| 23:06 | <stefanie> | just rub it in why don't you! |
| 23:06 | <@Perihelion> | irgeek: Sorry, some of us do indeed like to be still for more than a few months. |
| 23:07 | <snassar> | maybe there is will be a Linode Namibia |
| 23:07 | <snassar> | can't be worse than Jersey. |
| 23:07 | * | irgeek was born here http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=swakopmund+namibia&sll=33.587453,-117.193909&sspn=0.078651,0.146599&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Swakopmund,+Erongo,+Namibia&ll=-22.682376,14.524205&spn=0.002722,0.004581&t=h&z=18 |
| 23:08 | <@Perihelion> | I was born in California. How uninteresting. |
| 23:08 | <@irgeek> | The building on the SW corner of Bismark St & Anton Lubowski Ave. |
| 23:09 | <wastrel> | looks hot there |
| 23:09 | <wastrel> | dessert |
| 23:09 | <wastrel> | er desert :/ |
| 23:09 | <wastrel> | the aquarium looks nice. |
| 23:09 | <@irgeek> | Indeed. Though it's not as hot at the coast. |
| 23:10 | * | irgeek goes to bed for realz! |
| 23:11 | -!- | Smark is now known as Smark[Gone] |
| 23:14 | <@Perihelion> | Night |
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| 23:19 | <amitz> | I was bornt under an ongoing nuclear explosion... |
| 23:19 | <amitz> | of sun. |
| 23:19 | <amitz> | hmm is that explosion or implosion.. |
| 23:20 | <amitz> | oh wait, the choices are fusion or fission, which is fussion. :-p |
| 23:21 | <Hogggs> | fusion |
| 23:22 | <amitz> | yeah, fusion. |
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| 23:27 | -!- | Smark[Gone] is now known as Smark |
| 23:27 | <Smark> | Any idea why my Linode graphs are showing "Session Error"? |
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| 23:27 | <Smark> | relog fixed it, nevermind |
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| 23:28 | <amitz> | nothing beats restart. |
| 23:28 | <Hogggs> | No way |
| 23:29 | <Hogggs> | I reboot my linode every time I get laid |
| 23:29 | <Hogggs> | Pretty nice uptime |
| 23:30 | <Smark> | Why would apache be spiking in CPU usage? |
| 23:30 | <amitz> | Perhaps because you're emphasizing the laying down aspect. Standing works and you meet more people standing than laying down. |
| 23:30 | <Smark> | as far as i can tell im not getting abnormal hits |
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| 23:31 | <chesty> | sometime cpu spikes are caused by lack of memory |
| 23:31 | <Smark> | im swapping |
| 23:31 | <Hogggs> | Yeah, that's bad |
| 23:32 | <Smark> | htop shows 130/360 MB Memory and 29/255 MB Swa |
| 23:32 | <Smark> | s/Swa/Swap/ |
| 23:32 | <Smark> | why would that be? |
| 23:32 | <chesty> | that's norma, linux swaps out rarely used memory |
| 23:33 | <chesty> | as long as vmstat 1 isn't showing constant swapping in and out |
| 23:34 | <Smark> | http://p.linode.com/3468 |
| 23:34 | <chesty> | si and so are 0, so memory isn't your problem |
| 23:35 | <chesty> | in fact, it looks pretty quiet atm |
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| 23:59 | <amitz> | can't be last but at least I'm first :-p |
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