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| 00:23 | <@pparadis> | minor library maintenance in a couple of minutes; there will be a brief outage for library.linode.com. |
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| 00:27 | <Clorith> | ono, just this second when I was gonna click it! |
| 00:27 | <Clorith> | damn you pparadis! |
| 00:27 | * | Clorith trots off to buy some .as domains then |
| 00:27 | <@pparadis> | hehehe |
| 00:27 | * | Clorith growls |
| 00:27 | <Clorith> | still not unlocked...slow ass useless people. |
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| 00:39 | <linbot> | New news from forums: Webserver Load Roundup Question Session in General Discussion <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4760>; |
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| 00:43 | <amitz> | I don't understand the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ssh-agent , espeically the "Security issues" part of last paragraph. Suppose the root of the transit server is evil, I thought that root still can't automatically able to decrypt the transmission? |
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| 00:45 | <amitz> | I mean, even if the root of transit server has access to the agent socket, the agent socket of transit server basically just pass around encrypted traffic right? Encryption/Decryption is done at the client and target server right? |
| 00:46 | <amitz> | *has access to the agent socket of transit server, |
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| 01:03 | <@jed> | alright beta testers |
| 01:03 | <@jed> | https://undertow.jedsmith.org/zoneslurp/ |
| 01:03 | <@jed> | try your zone files out, and see if it parses them right |
| 01:04 | <@jed> | (you can put in "abc123" for api key or leave it blank, I don't use it yet) |
| 01:05 | <MJCS> | I think I put too much thermal paste on... |
| 01:05 | <MJCS> | 261F is not good |
| 01:06 | <MJCS> | There is a problem with this website's security certificate. |
| 01:06 | <@jed> | yeah, there is |
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| 01:11 | <@jed> | ah, empty zone is a traceback |
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| 01:12 | <Jonathan1> | empty domain dumps out too |
| 01:12 | <Jonathan1> | valid zone file parses perfectly |
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| 01:14 | <Jonathan1> | is a cname allowed to point to an IP? |
| 01:14 | <Eman> | why would you point a cname at an ip? |
| 01:14 | <@jed> | did it accept it? |
| 01:15 | <@jed> | (and no) |
| 01:15 | <Jonathan1> | yeah - I got: mail123.123.123.124.predict.ly |
| 01:15 | <Jonathan1> | I only put the ip in |
| 01:15 | <@jed> | I'd think named-checkzone would bitch about that |
| 01:15 | <@jed> | interesting |
| 01:15 | <Jonathan1> | space after the mail |
| 01:15 | <Jonathan1> | mail 123. etc |
| 01:15 | <@jed> | oh, that behavior is actually, believe it or not, correct |
| 01:16 | <Jonathan1> | fairy enough, don't know enough about dns |
| 01:16 | <@jed> | since the other side of a CNAME is supposed to be an absolute name, if you put in 1.2.3.4 it assumes you mean 1.2.3.4.$ORIGIN |
| 01:16 | <@jed> | since 1.2.3.4.$ORIGIN would be legal |
| 01:16 | <Jonathan1> | just wondering if it'd be better to warn of the error than set it up incorrectly |
| 01:16 | <@jed> | well, hard to catch that one |
| 01:16 | <@jed> | someone might genuinely mean 1.2.3.4 |
| 01:17 | <@jed> | I'm trusting named-checkzone to catch everything right now, I'll have to add exceptions (like that one, I'll debate it) as they pop up |
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| 01:18 | <Jonathan1> | @ NS ns2.linode.com. - parses fine |
| 01:18 | <Jonathan1> | leave out the final dot, and it traces |
| 01:18 | <@jed> | shouldn't trace, named-checkzone should whine |
| 01:18 | <@jed> | lemme see |
| 01:21 | <Jonathan1> | not sure if this is an issue or not, similar to the ip thing: |
| 01:21 | <@jed> | alright, missing args is fixed |
| 01:21 | <Jonathan1> | mail CNAME ghs.google.com. - is fine |
| 01:21 | <Jonathan1> | miss the dot, and it adds $origin on |
| 01:21 | <@jed> | yeah, same story |
| 01:21 | <@jed> | anything not fully-qualified gets $origin glommed on |
| 01:21 | <@jed> | that would be an error in your zone before you paste it in my box :^) |
| 01:22 | <@jed> | Jonathan1: just changing @ NS ns2.linode.com. to @ NS ns2.linode.com traces for you? |
| 01:23 | <Jonathan1> | let me double check, i was doing loads of changes, i'll start fresh with single edit |
| 01:23 | <@jed> | yeah, not for me -- in that case it's just adding $ORIGIN as before, which doesn't matter because I'm ignoring NS records outright |
| 01:23 | <Jonathan1> | nah, I must have done something else sorry, it's fine |
| 01:23 | <@jed> | np |
| 01:26 | <Jonathan1> | everything else errors out nicely |
| 01:26 | <@jed> | it's still really rough |
| 01:26 | <Jonathan1> | and would be a faulty file in the first place |
| 01:26 | <@jed> | yeah, exactly :) |
| 01:27 | <@jed> | I'm verifying very little, because if your zone file is broken before you plug it in there, that's not my fault :) |
| 01:27 | <@jed> | named-checkzone is really handy, the Linode Manager uses it too |
| 01:27 | <Jonathan1> | I get your point, but I think if you accept it, it becomes your issue (in general app design) |
| 01:28 | <@jed> | well, it's going to list every API action that it's going to attempt (what I'm writing now) |
| 01:28 | <@jed> | and the API is liable to vomit on something, too |
| 01:28 | <@jed> | in which case I'm going to have it fail cleanly and back out and delete its partial zone |
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| 01:29 | <Jonathan1> | sounds safe enough |
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| 02:00 | <BostonWealth> | Yesterday someone asked me to post trace route results to look into latency issue for a client in New Zealand. Here are the results http://bostonwealth.wordpress.com/2009/10/26/trace-route-test/ |
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| 03:41 | <amitz> | BostonWealth: the traceroute seems acceptably responsive, you can't make it better. I guess the problems are what had been mentioned in this channel, like unnecessarily large images. |
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| 03:43 | <amitz> | responsive for NZ -> US connection. |
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| 04:01 | <amitz> | heh, first time I heard such thing but I dont know if it's true or not. A company doesn't want to pick up the phone in fear of lightning while in a storm.. |
| 04:04 | <chesty> | !f z=z |
| 04:04 | <linbot> | chesty: True |
| 04:04 | <chesty> | amitz: ^^ |
| 04:05 | <amitz> | chesty: yeah, just googled. Interesting, I will not be on the phone anymore when storm hits. |
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| 04:10 | <amitz> | heh, the peril of manning a call center :-p |
| 04:14 | <praetorian> | !f a=2 b=3 a+1=b |
| 04:14 | <linbot> | praetorian: Results not found. I'm pretty sure straterra ate them |
| 04:14 | <praetorian> | i'd concur. |
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| 04:20 | <amitz> | say, how to create a dynamic subdomain that dynamically point to a dynamic IP address? Basically I want to contact a PC having a dynamic IP. I want the PC to update the DNS record of the subdomain automatically. Basically I setup a DNS server like bind? Or there is a simpler approach? |
| 04:20 | <grawity> | CNAME it to foo.dyndns.com? |
| 04:21 | <amitz> | without relying to dyndns? So maybe a subdomain of a domain I control? |
| 04:22 | <StevenK> | amitz: The simplest way is to run an instance of bind |
| 04:23 | <amitz> | StevenK: I fear that answer but if that's what simple, so be it. Amitz sigh deeply. |
| 04:23 | <amitz> | ooh, or use linode's DNS manager API! Forgot that one :-) |
| 04:24 | <StevenK> | That's simpler again |
| 04:24 | <StevenK> | How often do you expect IPs to change? |
| 04:25 | <amitz> | StevenK: I will probably use the connection once overy week, so the changes that matter is once a week. You have something in your mind? |
| 04:25 | <praetorian> | or use some dnssec |
| 04:25 | <praetorian> | if you control the dns |
| 04:28 | <StevenK> | amitz: Just propagation delays |
| 04:29 | <amitz> | oh. will google about dnssec, will probably have my own DNS since using linodes DNS manager API means that the PC will store my linodes API key.. |
| 04:31 | <chesty> | you could, for example, hit a php script on your linode that does the update |
| 04:32 | <chesty> | but linode update their dns every 15 minutes |
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| 04:33 | <amitz> | chesty: oh, an average of 7.5 minutest + propagation, that's too long.. hmm, let me think |
| 04:35 | <amitz> | maybe I should let the PCs automatically connect to my server.. then I reverse tunnel. Fewer point of failures.. I'm sounding my thought, feel free to feed back. |
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| 04:41 | <AndrewLuecke> | hey |
| 04:45 | <amitz> | heya |
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| 05:09 | <praetorian> | need to get my website to be as good as www.xkcd.com (design wise) |
| 05:09 | <praetorian> | [they redid the site][they redid the site] |
| 05:11 | <grawity> | Must...archive...that... |
| 05:11 | * | Strifariz waves baibai geocities |
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| 05:12 | <Strifariz> | I just found out about xkcd's design too |
| 05:12 | <Strifariz> | I really love the broken image links etc |
| 05:12 | <Strifariz> | it's just like old times |
| 05:12 | <Peng_> | Oh my god |
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| 05:17 | <Strifariz> | it is BRILLIANT |
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| 05:17 | <Strifariz> | me and my friends are looking at our old geocities sites before they go kapoof |
| 05:18 | <grawity> | Strifariz: http://textfiles.com/geocities/ |
| 05:19 | <grawity> | (...When it works, of course >_> ) |
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| 05:32 | <Strifariz> | so not now? :P |
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| 05:34 | <Strifariz> | hooray for compiling code excuse for browsing random websites during work hours |
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| 05:49 | <chris2> | Does linode use ecc registered dimms. Also what speed hard drives are used? |
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| 05:55 | <Strifariz> | any of you use ImageMagick? |
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| 06:17 | <Peng_> | Oh, crhs2 left. No fun. |
| 06:17 | <Peng_> | Err, chris2. This is why tab-complete is good. :P |
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| 06:29 | <chemosh> | Hi |
| 06:29 | <chemosh> | Anyone here with a linode @ atlanta57? |
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| 06:46 | <Keith-BlindUser> | !dig keithnet.us txt |
| 06:46 | <linbot> | Keith-BlindUser: [dig] status: NOERROR | ;; ANSWER SECTION: | ;; AUTHORITY SECTION keithnet.us. 14440 IN SOA ns1.linode.com. admin.keithnet.us. 2009102569 7200 7200 1209600 14440 |
| 06:46 | <Keith-BlindUser> | !spf keithnet.us 2.3.4.5 |
| 06:46 | <linbot> | Keith-BlindUser: [spf] none: keithnet.us does not designate permitted sender hosts (spf record: ) |
| 06:47 | <Keith-BlindUser> | WTF? |
| 06:48 | <pparadis_> | chemosh: http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4761 |
| 06:48 | <pparadis_> | sorry about the current issues; we're working with the DC on it. |
| 06:49 | <BarkerJr> | keithnet.us has no TXT record |
| 06:50 | <linbot> | New news from forums: Atlanta network issues in System and Network Status <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4761>; |
| 06:51 | <BarkerJr> | :/ |
| 06:51 | <BarkerJr> | there you go, chemosh |
| 06:53 | <Strifariz> | not really relevant for here...but anyone know how to do a domain forward in IIS in server 2003? :P |
| 06:54 | <Keith-BlindUser> | What I don't understand, is why my SPF record isn't working! I updated the SAO record and even have a valid email address for it. But it doesn't work! |
| 06:54 | <HoopyCat> | (secretly, it's because atlanta is really done with server-side includes on a geocities page) |
| 06:54 | <Keith-BlindUser> | If we do: |
| 06:54 | <Keith-BlindUser> | !dig keithnet.us txt |
| 06:54 | <linbot> | Keith-BlindUser: [dig] status: NOERROR | ;; ANSWER SECTION: | ;; AUTHORITY SECTION keithnet.us. 13935 IN SOA ns1.linode.com. admin.keithnet.us. 2009102569 7200 7200 1209600 14440 |
| 06:54 | <HoopyCat> | Strifariz: i'm going to say "yes, but i haven't done it in yeaaaaars, so all i can say is 'it's somewhere in the properties'" |
| 06:55 | <Keith-BlindUser> | We see, that admin@keithnet.us is used. That email does exist. But why it's not working properly...as far as an SPF goes I don't know. |
| 06:55 | <pparadis_> | Strifariz: perhaps this is useful? http://blogs.msdn.com/david.wang/archive/2005/08/01/HOWTO_Common_URL_Redirection_Techniques_for_IIS_Summary.aspx |
| 06:56 | <Keith-BlindUser> | So: I'm confused. Apparently my domain doesn't do SPF or something's just improperly configured, but how that's possible, I don't know.. |
| 06:57 | <BarkerJr> | I don't see any TXT record on your domain |
| 06:57 | <Keith-BlindUser> | Um |
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| 06:59 | <Keith-BlindUser> | There is a txt record, but perhaps improperly configured? Value of witch is: v=spf1 ip4:69.164.193.236 ~all |
| 07:00 | <HoopyCat> | ... good morning, this is #linode 1010 AM absecon, #linode 88.1 FM absecon, #linodx 89.7 FM atlantic city, and #linode HD 1 absecon... it's a beautiful day, because today is day 1 of our fall membership campaign, and we're getting things going with a two-for-one challenge from dirk winchester of pound ridge here at 222-1010, that's 222-1010, and at the dollar-a-day level you'll receive a shiny Linode 540 t-shirt... |
| 07:01 | <pparadis_> | . . . |
| 07:01 | <HoopyCat> | ugh, sorry, top of the hour hits and i start regretting the clock radio |
| 07:01 | <pparadis_> | nice |
| 07:02 | <Keith-BlindUser> | pparadis_ Does that look incorrect? v=spf1 ip4:69.164.193.236 ~all |
| 07:02 | <Keith-BlindUser> | That's the contents of the current txt record for keithnet.us. |
| 07:02 | <pparadis_> | Keith-BlindUser: you may find this useful: http://old.openspf.org/wizard.html |
| 07:02 | <Keith-BlindUser> | But if we do something like: !spf keithnet.us 1.2.3.4 we get an error. :D |
| 07:02 | <Nivex> | HoopyCat: wow, they really are the same everywhere. One of our stations here just finished up their pledge drive last night. |
| 07:03 | <chemosh> | cheers pparadis_ |
| 07:03 | <pparadis_> | \o |
| 07:03 | <Keith-BlindUser> | Alright, hold on! :)! |
| 07:03 | <BarkerJr> | keith: you have no txt record at all.. it's not malformed, it just doesn't exist |
| 07:04 | <BarkerJr> | "host -tTXT keithnet.us ns1.linode.com" returms "keithnet.us has no TXT record" |
| 07:06 | <HoopyCat> | Nivex: i'm always somewhat annoyed at what's being lopped out of morning edition, but, well, i can't complain TOO much |
| 07:07 | <HoopyCat> | Nivex: and i suspect -- although i've never been able to confirm -- that they take different chunks out of each loop of ME, so if you listen long enough, you won't miss anything |
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| 07:07 | <BarkerJr> | I refuse to contribute during these events cause I don't like them |
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| 07:08 | <BarkerJr> | I don't like how they replace the weekly shows with pledge week versions |
| 07:08 | <BarkerJr> | but that's ok... I can pull those up on their podcasts |
| 07:09 | <BarkerJr> | then donate directly to your favourite shows if they're independent |
| 07:15 | <Keith-BlindUser> | !dig keithnet.us txt |
| 07:15 | <linbot> | Keith-BlindUser: [dig] status: NOERROR | ;; ANSWER SECTION: | ;; AUTHORITY SECTION keithnet.us. 12707 IN SOA ns1.linode.com. admin.keithnet.us. 2009102569 7200 7200 1209600 14440 |
| 07:15 | <Keith-BlindUser> | Now we need to wait for the zone generation. ;) |
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| 07:19 | <Keith-BlindUser> | !dig keithnet.us |
| 07:19 | <linbot> | Keith-BlindUser: [dig] status: NOERROR | ;; ANSWER SECTION: keithnet.us. 14440 IN A 69.164.193.236 | ;; AUTHORITY SECTION keithnet.us. 14440 IN NS ns3.linode.com. keithnet.us. 14440 IN NS ns1.linode.com. keithnet.us. 14440 IN NS ns4.linode.com. keithnet.us. 14440 IN NS ns2.linode.com. |
| 07:19 | <HoopyCat> | phew, the car started |
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| 07:20 | <Keith-BlindUser> | Let's see.. |
| 07:23 | <HoopyCat> | kinda missed the whole "closing all the doors" thing when we went to the coffee shop this weekend, so the battery was a little flat... was out there last night to prod the computer, and the voltage was so low the LCD was unstable. was quite relieved this morn when the DC converter kicked in and the taillights went to full brightness. |
| 07:25 | <Keith-BlindUser> | !dig keithnet.us txt |
| 07:25 | <linbot> | Keith-BlindUser: [dig] status: NOERROR | ;; ANSWER SECTION: | ;; AUTHORITY SECTION keithnet.us. 12073 IN SOA ns1.linode.com. admin.keithnet.us. 2009102569 7200 7200 1209600 14440 |
| 07:26 | <Keith-BlindUser> | GRRR. |
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| 07:37 | <BarkerJr> | don't you hate when people on the radio say "insuring" rather than "ensuring"? |
| 07:37 | <Keith-BlindUser> | !dig keithnet.us txt |
| 07:37 | <linbot> | Keith-BlindUser: [dig] status: NOERROR | ;; ANSWER SECTION: | ;; AUTHORITY SECTION keithnet.us. 11344 IN SOA ns1.linode.com. admin.keithnet.us. 2009102569 7200 7200 1209600 14440 |
| 07:38 | <Keith-BlindUser> | Um... |
| 07:38 | <Keith-BlindUser> | TXT records exist, so why is Linbot not returning anything? |
| 07:38 | <bob2> | doesn't exist |
| 07:39 | <bob2> | at least on ns1-4.linode.com |
| 07:43 | <Solver> | check the SOA |
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| 07:47 | <Keith-BlindUser> | !dig keithnet.us |
| 07:47 | <linbot> | Keith-BlindUser: [dig] status: NOERROR | ;; ANSWER SECTION: keithnet.us. 12720 IN A 69.164.193.236 | ;; AUTHORITY SECTION keithnet.us. 12720 IN NS ns3.linode.com. keithnet.us. 12720 IN NS ns1.linode.com. keithnet.us. 12720 IN NS ns4.linode.com. keithnet.us. 12720 IN NS ns2.linode.com. |
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| 07:49 | <BarkerJr> | why does it say NOERROR? |
| 07:50 | <praetorian> | there was no error! |
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| 07:56 | <BarkerJr> | so, does not exist isn't an error |
| 07:56 | <Solver> | indeed :) |
| 07:57 | <Keith-BlindUser> | Well...how interesting. Maybe the master DNS hasn't yet updated; but txt records do exist. |
| 07:57 | <Solver> | I just checked and each NS has the same SOA |
| 07:57 | <bob2> | perhaps linode's dns stuff is broken |
| 07:58 | <bob2> | or you put the record on another name |
| 07:58 | <Solver> | but perhaps there is a lag before new entries are pushed to the DNS by linode |
| 07:58 | <Solver> | I run my own name servers so no idea |
| 07:58 | <bob2> | 15m |
| 07:58 | <Keith-BlindUser> | How many IPS are you using? I suppose you can't just run an DNS server from one. |
| 07:59 | <Solver> | you should have at least 2 nameservers |
| 07:59 | <bob2> | non sequitor |
| 07:59 | <Solver> | I have 2 linodes and they are indeed my 2 nameservers |
| 07:59 | <bob2> | having two ips on the one vps doesn't count as two nameservers |
| 07:59 | <Solver> | exactly |
| 07:59 | <praetorian> | bob2: schadenfreude |
| 07:59 | <Solver> | nameservers should be physically and logically seperated |
| 08:00 | <praetorian> | i only have 8 ns's |
| 08:00 | <BarkerJr> | seperate networks |
| 08:00 | <Solver> | RFCs recommend a max of 7 :) really |
| 08:00 | <bob2> | anyway, since linode is happy to slave to your nameserver, this is easily solved |
| 08:00 | <praetorian> | Solver: well when one is down. it will be perfect! ;) |
| 08:00 | <Solver> | praetorian: hahaha :) |
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| 08:01 | <Solver> | bob2: very true |
| 08:01 | <Keith-BlindUser> | !spf mail.keithnet.us 1.2.3.4 |
| 08:01 | <linbot> | Keith-BlindUser: [spf] none: mail.keithnet.us does not designate permitted sender hosts (spf record: ) |
| 08:01 | * | Solver is running his own as he wants to play with dnssec |
| 08:01 | * | Keith-BlindUser groans. |
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| 08:02 | <jonny5> | woo linode resize |
| 08:03 | <praetorian> | re : xkcd.com |
| 08:03 | <praetorian> | did anyone "view source" ? |
| 08:03 | <Trystan> | not me |
| 08:04 | <grawity> | </TABLE FONT="800px"> is gold. |
| 08:04 | <praetorian> | <SCRIPT LANGUAGE="QBASIC">IF $BROWSER = "IE" THEN GOTO 50</SCRIPT> |
| 08:04 | <praetorian> | ? :-) |
| 08:05 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 08:05 | <Trystan> | lol |
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| 08:07 | <jonny5> | Anyone know how long disk resizing usually takes? |
| 08:07 | <@irgeek> | Depends on a lot of factors. |
| 08:07 | <@irgeek> | Resizing up is usually faster than resizing down. |
| 08:07 | <Solver> | upsize me! |
| 08:07 | <jonny5> | Just thought it'd be instant so was a bit scared it was taking a while :) |
| 08:08 | * | Solver recommends a backup before any resize, even if it 'should' work :) I'm a sysadmin, it's my job to be distrustful of technology ;) |
| 08:09 | <jonny5> | Good advice |
| 08:09 | <jonny5> | woop woop it is finished |
| 08:09 | <@irgeek> | There's no way to get progress information out of the resize process so it just sits there until it's done. |
| 08:11 | <jonny5> | I hear Slicehost do instant resizes but they also sound like smell |
| 08:15 | <jonny5> | laters |
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| 08:43 | <BostonWealth> | I was told the other day to post traceroute result tests from a client in New Zealand trying to access my site to investigage latency issues; here are the resultshttp://bostonwealth.wordpress.com/2009/10/26/trace-route-test/ |
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| 08:45 | <JshWright> | 208 ms from NZ to Texas? Doesn't seem that bad to me |
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| 08:48 | <BostonWealth> | JshWright.. the client says it takes a long time |
| 08:49 | <quanin> | don't think it's a latancy issue though. not if 208 MS is the longest it takes for a traceroute packet to get from one end to the other. |
| 08:50 | <Trystan> | JshWright: it isnt to bad |
| 08:50 | <Trystan> | i get around the same from Australia |
| 08:50 | <G> | from exp, 200ms anywhere from NZ is good :) |
| 08:50 | <Trystan> | somewhat. |
| 08:51 | <G> | sometimes you can only get 200ms down the road ;) |
| 08:51 | <Trystan> | their networks arnt that bad |
| 08:51 | <Trystan> | (though, i note the client is on telstra clear... thats... bad) |
| 08:51 | <G> | Trystan: TelstraClear is okay in NZ |
| 08:52 | <Trystan> | telstra clear is ONLY in NX |
| 08:52 | <Trystan> | NZ* |
| 08:52 | <Trystan> | so my comment was related to them there :) |
| 08:53 | <G> | Trystan: I was assuming your comment was because of the 'Telstra' there |
| 08:53 | <Trystan> | partially :) |
| 08:53 | <Trystan> | but.. |
| 08:53 | <Trystan> | Telstra Clear are meant to be better organised than Telstra.au |
| 08:54 | <Trystan> | since, they are actually in the oposit position |
| 08:54 | <BostonWealth> | Hi quanin. Good to see you. What could the issue be then. The site images, expire headers, script, etc. have been optimized |
| 08:54 | <G> | the 34ms to TelstraClear is pretty good, and the delay to reach is okay |
| 08:54 | <G> | BostonWealth: client's speed? |
| 08:55 | <BostonWealth> | HI G, should I ask him that question? |
| 08:55 | <quanin> | BostonWealth: i would. especially if everything else checks out okay. |
| 08:55 | <BostonWealth> | Will do and report back! |
| 08:55 | <G> | quanin: askk him if he's on the Cable or ADSL too |
| 08:55 | <G> | err |
| 08:55 | <G> | BostonWealth: |
| 08:55 | <BostonWealth> | yes |
| 08:55 | <Trystan> | BostonWealth: any other Kiwis having the same problem? |
| 08:56 | <BostonWealth> | Good question Trystan.. no he is the only one |
| 08:56 | <spkitty> | it's his connection |
| 08:56 | <Trystan> | latency, especially in island countries like NZ and Aus |
| 08:56 | <spkitty> | also the site hasn't been optimised |
| 08:56 | <Trystan> | are reliant on cables between here and the US |
| 08:56 | <quanin> | BostonWealth: then yes, it's his connection. |
| 08:56 | <spkitty> | still a lot to gain in scripts and images |
| 08:56 | <spkitty> | you're using .jpgs for godsake |
| 08:57 | <G> | Trystan: you do realise that NZ is actually in the middle of one of the highest capacity pacific cables right.... |
| 08:57 | <BostonWealth> | my web min says he can't use your programs |
| 08:57 | <Trystan> | so we tend take the same paths |
| 08:57 | <Trystan> | G: still going over the same pipe. |
| 08:57 | <quanin> | BostonWealth: ... then you need a new web admin. they're not hard. |
| 08:57 | <G> | Trystan: right, but it's AU<->NZ<->US (although some AU traffic can skip NZ) |
| 08:57 | <Trystan> | G, exactly |
| 08:58 | <G> | thats the Southern Cross Cable |
| 08:58 | <spkitty> | yeah your web admin is useless |
| 08:58 | <Trystan> | AU and NZ traffic tends to go over the same cable |
| 08:58 | <Trystan> | if its working fine for the majority of AU and NZ customers, chances are is local to the specific client |
| 08:58 | <G> | BostonWealth: but anyway, if he's on the TC Cable Network, I'd be pretty surprised if he's really having issues |
| 08:59 | <quanin> | ZOMG it's not instant and it's all your fault! die! |
| 08:59 | <G> | BostonWealth: the ADSL network is still for TC pretty much poor, because it goes into Telecoms exchanges |
| 08:59 | <Trystan> | and, alot of our traffic can skip NZ now |
| 09:00 | <BostonWealth> | here is the explanation why he is not using |
| 09:00 | <BostonWealth> | My reasoning behind not combining all the CSS sprites is because I did not design your template and it would take a long time to rewrite it to properly use CSS sprite (like 4+ hours) and since images are now being caches, this will only save a little bit time the very first time a user accesses your site. After that they will access the cached images and there won't be a delay |
| 09:00 | <BostonWealth> | Is the fact that he is using Windows XP make any difference |
| 09:00 | <G> | BostonWealth: remember that it relies on their Web Browser to cache properly |
| 09:01 | <spkitty> | he's wrong by the way |
| 09:01 | <spkitty> | cache's are not served up on a per user basis |
| 09:01 | <spkitty> | once somebody has accessed a page it is cached for all |
| 09:01 | <quanin> | roughly translated, it's too much like work and your web admin's alergic. |
| 09:01 | <spkitty> | you can bring the cache size down by not having stupid sized images though |
| 09:01 | <Trystan> | quanin +1 |
| 09:01 | <spkitty> | so basically, he's an idiot |
| 09:02 | <BostonWealth> | quanin.. actually he is doing a great job |
| 09:02 | <Trystan> | arguable given the above reasoning |
| 09:02 | <quanin> | BostonWealth: no offense, but... if he were my web admin, i'd of shot him by now. |
| 09:02 | <spkitty> | very arguable |
| 09:02 | <BostonWealth> | quanin.. take a look at my site and tell me what YOU would do. I value your opinion |
| 09:03 | <spkitty> | my offer still stands if you're willing to pay me part upfront ... |
| 09:03 | <quanin> | without even looking at your site, i can tell you right now. |
| 09:03 | <quanin> | ditch the .jpg's, as was already said. |
| 09:03 | <BostonWealth> | replace with what quanin |
| 09:03 | <spkitty> | .gifs |
| 09:03 | <spkitty> | i told you this 5 times |
| 09:03 | <quanin> | .gif, or if you absolutely as in no other choice have to, .png. just... not .jpg. |
| 09:03 | <BostonWealth> | is there a way to limit what contributors to wordpress use.. I have almost 20 contributors who post |
| 09:04 | <BostonWealth> | quanin do you recommend a program to convert jpg to gig |
| 09:04 | <BostonWealth> | gif |
| 09:04 | <spkitty> | you don't do that |
| 09:05 | <BostonWealth> | Quanin this is what he said: John were to use my Gimp technique he would save a lot of space without any image degradation |
| 09:05 | <BostonWealth> | so quanin do you recommend gimp? |
| 09:05 | <spkitty> | .................. |
| 09:06 | <BostonWealth> | so how to change out of exiting jpg then |
| 09:06 | <BostonWealth> | existing |
| 09:06 | <spkitty> | are these the original images? |
| 09:06 | <spkitty> | where do they come from, what's the *original* format and size |
| 09:06 | <BostonWealth> | the orginal images are all jpeg yes |
| 09:06 | <Trystan> | dont have the ORIGINAL images? |
| 09:06 | <spkitty> | no, are *those* the original images |
| 09:06 | <Trystan> | in like.. .png? |
| 09:06 | <Trystan> | umm.. |
| 09:06 | <BostonWealth> | I will ask |
| 09:06 | <Trystan> | that isnt the format i meant. |
| 09:07 | <spkitty> | .psd ? |
| 09:07 | <Trystan> | yea |
| 09:07 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 09:07 | <Trystan> | i had a mental blank and couldnt think of it either lol |
| 09:07 | <spkitty> | if he's using gimp then i doubt it |
| 09:07 | <spkitty> | gimp is a poor replacement for a real photo editing tool |
| 09:07 | <Trystan> | yea, but that guy didnt do the original design from what BostonWealth said earlier I geather |
| 09:07 | <Trystan> | gather* |
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| 09:08 | <BostonWealth> | why is gimp bad and what would you recomend for a real phote editing tool |
| 09:08 | <quanin> | judging by what i helped this guy with a while ago, sounds like the web admin kind of followed sections of like 6 different user manuals. and got about 5 of them wrong. |
| 09:09 | <BostonWealth> | Yes the web admin is relativley new, two month |
| 09:09 | <spkitty> | photoshop |
| 09:09 | <spkitty> | not gimp or anything else |
| 09:09 | <BostonWealth> | quanin yes, thanks for all the help you provided in the past; you are a valuable member here |
| 09:10 | <BostonWealth> | any particular photoshop.. so make the images into gif |
| 09:10 | <quanin> | BostonWealth: not really. i've just broken enough things in the past to actually know what *not* to do. and he's pretty much done it all. |
| 09:10 | <Trystan> | if you dont have originals |
| 09:10 | <Trystan> | you probably want the images remade |
| 09:11 | <spkitty> | what ... any particular photoshop ... oh god |
| 09:11 | <BostonWealth> | Trystan, what is the best method to remake the images.. thank u |
| 09:11 | <spkitty> | Trystan: he hasn't explained how he gets the images yet, he has new ones for each blog post obviously so he'd have to have originals somehow |
| 09:12 | <spkitty> | BostonWealth: is english your first language? |
| 09:12 | <BostonWealth> | quanin how do you put someone on ignore please |
| 09:13 | <spkitty> | ... whatever |
| 09:13 | <praetorian> | BostonWealth: /ignore nick |
| 09:13 | <spkitty> | he wont understand praetorian |
| 09:13 | <BostonWealth> | thanks praetorian |
| 09:13 | <spkitty> | he couldn't even figure out how to change his nick last time |
| 09:13 | <quanin> | rm -rf /broken/system |
| 09:13 | <BostonWealth> | wow spkitty ignored great |
| 09:14 | <BostonWealth> | do I have to ignore for every new session |
| 09:14 | <quanin> | it depends on your client. |
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| 09:14 | <BostonWealth> | quanin what was that rm-rf/broken/system for please |
| 09:14 | <spkitty> | only if i keep changing so that i can tell you what a broken piece of shit you are |
| 09:14 | <Trystan> | BostonWealth: to be frankly blunt. Sounds like you need to employ someone to do Graphic Design, and either chat with your web admin to tell them exactly what you want and if it isnt achieved, perhaps move on |
| 09:16 | <spkitty> | Trystan: not sure how he'll find anybody when he insists they do the work upfront before they get paid |
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| 09:16 | <BostonWealth> | Trystan: one more question on the subject please.. he already told me it may be too much for him, what qualities do I ask someone regarding Graphic Design.. what do they need to know how to do, and can you setup wordpress to optimize and accept only certain types of images |
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| 09:16 | <pparadis_> | spkitty: please keep it civil. |
| 09:16 | <spkitty> | sorry pparadis_ being trying to get it into this guys head for 2 days now what he should be doing, and he has 0 clue |
| 09:17 | <pparadis_> | we all start somewhere, and some pairings of minds work out better than others. |
| 09:17 | <Trystan> | I have no idea with wordpress, not familiar with it. Re: a Graphic designer, ask to see their portfolio, and discuss with them what tools they use and what they would give you. |
| 09:17 | <BostonWealth> | pparadis.. spkitty is one of the reasons along with blind keith that make this chat really bad and leaves Linode with a bad experience .. read the chat from a few days ago.. it is bad for Linode business model |
| 09:17 | * | spkitty rolls eyes |
| 09:17 | <sbruner> | pressed shutdown on linode console. how long until it shutsdown? |
| 09:17 | <BostonWealth> | thanks Trystsn |
| 09:18 | <spkitty> | sbruner: it will be in the jobs task on your dashboard |
| 09:18 | <pparadis_> | spkitty / BostonWealth: i understand that there's tension here, but let's try to keep it out of the channel. |
| 09:18 | <sbruner> | it just shutdown |
| 09:18 | <BostonWealth> | pparadis take a look at this please and tell me what you think regarding a client in NZ with latency issues |
| 09:18 | <sbruner> | to restart just BOOT debian? |
| 09:19 | <BostonWealth> | pparadis.. I am always very polite and civil, the name calling has not been from my side or the insults hurling |
| 09:19 | <spkitty> | just click the boot button sbruner |
| 09:19 | <pparadis_> | i'm just trying to remain neutral here as a company representative. |
| 09:19 | <BostonWealth> | http://bostonwealth.wordpress.com/2009/10/26/trace-route-test/ |
| 09:19 | <sbruner> | spkitty: thanks |
| 09:20 | <BostonWealth> | pparadis. someone suggested changing from dallas to sacramento |
| 09:20 | <BostonWealth> | but most of my clients are state side |
| 09:20 | <G> | BostonWealth: as we said, it's pretty a-typical of NZ->US |
| 09:20 | <G> | BostonWealth: it's likely to be speed issues, not latency |
| 09:22 | <BostonWealth> | I have asked John to join us to discuss the type of images he starts with |
| 09:24 | <praetorian> | i most concur. those traceroutes are what i'd expect. |
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| 09:25 | <Trystan> | you look familiar praetorian.. |
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| 09:26 | <praetorian> | most? must. |
| 09:26 | <Trystan> | but I dont know which one of the two I know you are. |
| 09:26 | <praetorian> | 2? |
| 09:26 | <Trystan> | One from another IRC network |
| 09:26 | <Trystan> | another used to work for an Aus ISP |
| 09:26 | <Trystan> | ah |
| 09:27 | <praetorian> | oh, not the second one ;) |
| 09:27 | <Trystan> | answers that :) |
| 09:27 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 09:27 | <Trystan> | Yea, I remember that was the first thing I asked you over there lol |
| 09:28 | <BostonWealth> | Hi Mortie.. how do you start off with your images, what format are they in |
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| 09:29 | <Peng_> | ...Bye mortie. |
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| 09:30 | <Peng_> | mortie: wb |
| 09:31 | <BostonWealth> | yes we see you mortie |
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| 09:32 | <BostonWealth> | I was asking earlier how do you start off with your images, what format are they in and what tools do you use for the images |
| 09:32 | <BostonWealth> | peng.. hi! what is wb |
| 09:33 | <Trystan> | welcome back |
| 09:33 | <BostonWealth> | quanin there is your answer |
| 09:33 | <Trystan> | ... |
| 09:33 | <spkitty> | haha |
| 09:33 | <BostonWealth> | mortie, the folks here are saying we should not be using jpg |
| 09:33 | <BostonWealth> | slows down the server |
| 09:34 | <spkitty> | mortie is the best invisible friend |
| 09:34 | <BostonWealth> | the experts here say jpg slows the server |
| 09:34 | <straterra> | Experts here? |
| 09:34 | <Trystan> | its a lie. |
| 09:34 | <chesty> | i'm here |
| 09:34 | <BostonWealth> | yes like quanin, amitz, etc. |
| 09:34 | <straterra> | erhm |
| 09:35 | <JshWright> | jpgs won't slow ther server, they're just larger than they need to be for most applications |
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| 09:35 | <Trystan> | it wasnt actually said that they slow the server |
| 09:35 | <JshWright> | small graphics should be pngs or gifs |
| 09:35 | <Trystan> | ^ |
| 09:35 | <Trystan> | that was |
| 09:35 | <spkitty> | indeed |
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| 09:36 | <BostonWealth> | does anyone know if wordpress automatically converts to jpg when images are added |
| 09:36 | <JshWright> | http://articles.sitepoint.com/article/gif-jpg-png-whats-difference <- First google hit for "png jpg gif", I haven't read it but at a quick glance it doesn't look like they're smoking crack |
| 09:37 | <straterra> | BostonWealth: I..don't know why it would |
| 09:37 | <spkitty> | it doesn't straterra |
| 09:37 | <JshWright> | BostonWealth: there's probabably a plugin that does that, but it would seem pretty pointless |
| 09:37 | <BostonWealth> | mortie.. I just checked the images in the image library and all your images are put in png |
| 09:37 | <JshWright> | BostonWealth: I'd recommend doing some reading on basic web design |
| 09:38 | <JshWright> | You might also want to check out some of these resources: http://code.google.com/speed/articles/ (some of them are way more advanced than you need though) |
| 09:38 | <fapestniegd> | my fremont linodes can't ping any of my NJ linodes. Traceroutes drop 6-hops out at gige-AIX.gnax.net... |
| 09:38 | <JshWright> | http://code.google.com/speed/articles/optimizing-images.html |
| 09:38 | <fapestniegd> | (if you didn't already know) |
| 09:39 | <BostonWealth> | Mortie can you convert them to png and send them to me and I will replace them or we can email about it later |
| 09:39 | <JshWright> | !mtr-fremont newark150.linode.com |
| 09:39 | <linbot> | JshWright: [mtr] newark150.linode.com: 10 hops, no loss, last hop average RTT was 81.3ms (These results brought to you by urmom and the number 42) |
| 09:39 | <spkitty> | somebody tell BostonWealth that converting them to png isn't going to make them any better quality |
| 09:39 | <Trystan> | converting them to png isn't going to make them any better quality |
| 09:39 | <BostonWealth> | jshwright.. thanks much for the links.. I have them bookmarked for reserch |
| 09:40 | <straterra> | BostonWealth: converting them to png isn't going to make them any better quality |
| 09:40 | <JshWright> | BostonWealth: you also may want to consider paying someone who knows that they're doing to do this for you |
| 09:40 | <BostonWealth> | no.. I was told here that jpg was the problem with our speed issue |
| 09:40 | * | straterra head-desks |
| 09:40 | <spkitty> | hahaha |
| 09:40 | <JshWright> | BostonWealth: what's the site in question? |
| 09:40 | <spkitty> | know you guys know how i feel |
| 09:40 | <BostonWealth> | bostonwealth.net |
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| 09:41 | * | straterra is afraid to click |
| 09:41 | <BostonWealth> | mortie.. yes thanks I will look at them |
| 09:41 | <spkitty> | it is only a matter of time before you too are /ignore'd for offering him advice he doesn't agree with |
| 09:41 | <fapestniegd> | !mtr-fremont atlanta16.linode.com |
| 09:41 | <linbot> | fapestniegd: [mtr] atlanta16.linode.com: 7 hops, ???: 100.0%/0.0ms (These results brought to you by urmom and the number 42) |
| 09:41 | <Peng_> | spkitty: I think it was more the "being a jerk" than the advice. |
| 09:41 | * | Peng_ gets some gasoline. |
| 09:41 | <fapestniegd> | correction, atlanta. |
| 09:41 | <straterra> | Page loaded quickly for me.. |
| 09:41 | <spkitty> | actually i was serious when i asked if english was hi first language Peng_ |
| 09:42 | <spkitty> | it's the way he writes and doesn't seem to understand what we say, thought maybe if he spoke another language better somebody could help |
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| 09:42 | * | fapestniegd needs more coffee |
| 09:42 | <Trystan> | straterra: it looks to be a number of issues assimilating to cause the particular client their problem |
| 09:42 | <Peng_> | spkitty: Oh, that was what got you /ignored? I agree; I'd just never had had the nerve to ask. :P |
| 09:42 | <JshWright> | BostonWealth: you should also install Firebug and Yslow |
| 09:42 | <adj> | important: parallellize downloads across hostnames; useful: leverage browser caching, minimize DNS lookups, optimize images, remove unused CSS, serve static content from a cookie-less domain, minimize cookie size, use efficient CSS selectors |
| 09:43 | <BostonWealth> | jshwright. firebug and yslow installed grade 86 B |
| 09:43 | <BostonWealth> | adj.. yes but 86 B is pretty good no? |
| 09:43 | <adj> | BostonWealth: does the site load within your expectations? |
| 09:43 | <BostonWealth> | for me yes.. |
| 09:44 | <BostonWealth> | but for one client complaint.. I am not happy |
| 09:44 | <straterra> | then blame the client..and call it a day |
| 09:44 | <adj> | BostonWealth: a number means nothing. if its good and your conversion rates are good. then to hell with some plugins score |
| 09:44 | <BostonWealth> | we are big on customer service |
| 09:44 | <Trystan> | loads quick for me to from the other side of the world |
| 09:44 | <Trystan> | BostonWealth: you can be as big on customer service as you like if someone else has a problem unrelated to your service theres not much you can do |
| 09:44 | <BostonWealth> | yes but customer service has to consider every client! |
| 09:44 | <spkitty> | but that client is worth 7 million dollars to him! |
| 09:44 | <straterra> | You can't fix their network issues |
| 09:44 | <spkitty> | (yeah right ...) |
| 09:45 | <BostonWealth> | Mortie. thank you .. see you on the other side.. you see my continuing quest for perfection...just hit /quit |
| 09:45 | <Trystan> | you know.. |
| 09:45 | <BostonWealth> | mortie just do /quit and you are logged out.. thanks! |
| 09:45 | <Peng_> | Does mortie talk? |
| 09:45 | <Trystan> | only YOU could see mortie talking |
| 09:45 | <spkitty> | i really think mortie is imaginary |
| 09:45 | <BostonWealth> | why? |
| 09:46 | <straterra> | Unless you want to install fiber for the client..running from their office to yours..there isn't much you can do about it |
| 09:46 | <Trystan> | i assume because he was sending you a personal message |
| 09:46 | <Trystan> | rather than sending it to the channel |
| 09:46 | <BostonWealth> | [mortie(~0cb8a902@webuser.linode.com)][mortie(~0cb8a902@webuser.linode.com)] Ben ~ do you need me anymore? I only speak English ;-) |
| 09:46 | <Trystan> | so everyone is assuming he is imaginary :D |
| 09:46 | <BostonWealth> | did he log in incorrectly |
| 09:46 | <Trystan> | no |
| 09:46 | <BostonWealth> | then why was he not seen |
| 09:46 | <Trystan> | he just told it to send directly to you rather than everyone else |
| 09:46 | <Trystan> | well.. |
| 09:46 | <Trystan> | i can send a message that goes to one specific user |
| 09:46 | <Trystan> | or i can send to the channel |
| 09:46 | <BostonWealth> | so how did he mess up |
| 09:46 | <Trystan> | he was doing the first |
| 09:47 | <Trystan> | no idea. |
| 09:47 | <BostonWealth> | told him to log into irq channel |
| 09:48 | <BostonWealth> | if anyone here is a good graphics designer, feel free to email me at bwm@bostonwealth.net |
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| 09:48 | <BostonWealth> | I pay bills on time, and I can provide a reference of a web admin I found here |
| 09:48 | <spkitty> | he also doesn't pay any money in advance |
| 09:49 | <spkitty> | he wants *you* to do the work for him and *then* he will pay you |
| 09:49 | <linbot> | New news from linodelibrary: Using SSHFS on Linux and MacOS X <http://library.linode.com/networking/sshfs-linux-macos-windows>; |
| 09:50 | <BostonWealth> | Site says it won't work well with my browser. Let me see if I can change. |
| 09:50 | <BostonWealth> | that is what mortie said when he tried to log in irq chat |
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| 09:51 | * | G shakes head and just goes to bed |
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| 09:53 | <@jed> | break it: https://undertow.jedsmith.org/zoneslurp/ |
| 09:53 | <@jed> | if you make it trace I want to know :^) |
| 09:55 | <pparadis_> | bd_ ^ |
| 09:55 | * | DephNet[Paul] wonders what this "irq chat" BostonWealth is refering too |
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| 09:55 | <Peng_> | DephNet[Paul]: Something with ICQ and IRC? :D |
| 09:55 | <Peng_> | Or interrupts? |
| 09:56 | <DephNet[Paul]> | peng_, could be |
| 09:56 | <Peng_> | jed: Will that be part of the manager? |
| 09:56 | <adj> | irc interuprts me all the time, so that makes sense |
| 09:57 | <@jed> | Peng_: since it's written in Python and uses the API, it'd have to be reworked :) |
| 09:57 | <@jed> | maybe, I won't say yay or nay |
| 09:58 | <BostonWealth> | meant to say irc |
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| 10:01 | <Peng_> | A typo? That's boring. :P |
| 10:01 | <Peng_> | jed: Well, I guess it doesn't really matter; I just hope people will be able to find it. |
| 10:02 | <Desph> | hi |
| 10:04 | <BostonWealth> | thanks everyone for the assitance today |
| 10:04 | <BostonWealth> | bye |
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| 10:06 | <robert> | is anyone else aware of the mzima/cavtel routing issue? |
| 10:07 | <array> | robert: atlanta is currently experiencing routing issues: http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4761 |
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| 10:08 | <robert> | i'll have to learn to check the forums |
| 10:08 | <robert> | thank you array |
| 10:08 | <array> | np! |
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| 10:09 | <Trystan> | I see how it is. |
| 10:09 | <robert> | oh wait, atlanta hosts my email server :) |
| 10:09 | <robert> | i'll have to learn to check the forums after this is resolved |
| 10:10 | <straterra> | Woah woah woah |
| 10:10 | <straterra> | Whats up with xkcd today? |
| 10:10 | <Bdragon> | geocities shutdown |
| 10:10 | <Peng_> | straterra: What? It's always been like that. |
| 10:10 | <spkitty> | let me guess it is a comic in which megans name is mentioned |
| 10:10 | <straterra> | Peng_: lies |
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| 10:10 | <jonny5> | Hey all |
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| 10:11 | <cdlu> | no, xkcd itself is the comic today. |
| 10:11 | <cdlu> | it's most excellent. |
| 10:11 | <Trystan> | it is :) |
| 10:11 | <Bdragon> | Genius |
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| 10:11 | <jonny5> | Geocities :) |
| 10:12 | <Bdragon> | Reminds me of that one stylesheet for css zen garden ;) |
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| 10:12 | <Bdragon> | (bruce lawson's) |
| 10:13 | <jonny5> | Hmm my Linode seems really sluggish since resizing to a bigger one. Wonder how to check |
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| 10:17 | * | Pryon wonders, as requested |
| 10:18 | <jonny5> | Thanks for wondering |
| 10:20 | <Pryon> | did you migrate within the same data center? If so, is it atlanta? If not, what else has changed? |
| 10:22 | <Peng_> | jonny5: Sluggish how? |
| 10:22 | <jonny5> | Within the same data center (Freemont), from 720 to 1080. Loading dynamic web pages seems much slower. I'm doing a full check on MySQL databases (can't hurt) and letting it settle down for an hour and see if my Munin graphs show anything after that. I have noticed there is a lot more 'iowait' than before but have to wait until this MySQL check is done to check that properly. I was suspecting maybe this host has someone chewingup the hard drive? brb |
| 10:24 | <straterra> | You could be on a more active host |
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| 10:45 | <Guspaz|m> | It looks like Caker is going to pass the first month in a year with no news posts! |
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| 10:48 | <MJCS> | is he feeling ok? |
| 10:48 | <Guspaz|m> | I hope so. It's been nearly a month and a half since the last news post. |
| 10:49 | <DephNet[Paul]> | perhaps he's saving all the news for a mega post on Halloween |
| 10:49 | <@jed> | actually, what's coming next is fairly awesome |
| 10:49 | * | jed rubs hands together |
| 10:49 | <jforman> | jed: each linode comes with a shark with a laser beam attached? |
| 10:49 | <Guspaz|m> | But is it coming in October? We can't have a news post gap! |
| 10:49 | <Guspaz|m> | Ooh, sharks with frikkin' laser beams attached to their frikkin' heads! |
| 10:50 | <@jed> | no, we sold out to rackspace and got $2m each |
| 10:50 | <@jed> | and linode is closing |
| 10:50 | <@jed> | sorry. |
| 10:50 | <@jed> | ha! gotcha. |
| 10:50 | <DephNet[Paul]> | only $2million? |
| 10:50 | <DephNet[Paul]> | i could have got you $10million ;) |
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| 10:50 | <@jed> | for all 10 of us? |
| 10:50 | * | jed interested |
| 10:50 | <@jed> | do go on |
| 10:51 | <DephNet[Paul]> | well, no |
| 10:51 | <@jed> | :-) |
| 10:51 | <DephNet[Paul]> | i only said YOU ;) |
| 10:51 | <DephNet[Paul]> | the other 9 would share the rest :P |
| 10:52 | <Peng_> | jed: Is it.....IPv6? :D |
| 10:53 | <@jed> | it could be, or it could be the sharks with laser beams thing, or it could be prices cut in half, or it could be a new datacenter on the moon, or it could be bumping everything 1% |
| 10:53 | <@jed> | tough to say, it could be a lot of things |
| 10:53 | <@jed> | ;) |
| 10:53 | <Peng_> | jed: Maybe it's all of them, and more! |
| 10:53 | <jforman> | jed: on the moon? you guys heard we're trying to shoot rockets at the moon....right? |
| 10:53 | <@jed> | plus a pony! |
| 10:53 | <Peng_> | Can I have the laser beams put in my pony instead of the shark? |
| 10:53 | <straterra> | I'm banned from contact with poneys |
| 10:54 | <@jed> | jforman: we have a tactical defense system consisting of bruce willis and a team of oil drillers |
| 10:54 | <DephNet[Paul]> | prices cut in half would be awesome, but a European POP would be awesomer |
| 10:54 | <jforman> | jed: i was hoping for samuel l jackson, you know, take some mf'ing snakes on a plane up there! |
| 10:54 | <Guspaz|m> | I hope it's bumping stuff up, I could care less about IPv6, it's pointless atm since no endusers support it :P |
| 10:55 | <@jed> | (or it could be something I didn't mention which will surprise you all) |
| 10:55 | <Guspaz|m> | Or, sharks with laser beams. That'd be awesome too. |
| 10:55 | <Peng_> | Oh, maybe something with backups. Or KVM! |
| 10:55 | <spkitty> | is that something *all* of those things? |
| 10:55 | <Guspaz|m> | jed: You're starting a lifecam feed? |
| 10:55 | <Peng_> | jed: You bought Rackspace? :D |
| 10:55 | <Guspaz|m> | That'd be pretty surprising. |
| 10:55 | <jforman> | jed: can you guys add a "countdown to the secret awesome" to linode.com? we are going to have trolls coming in here asking otherwise |
| 10:55 | <@jed> | bwahaha |
| 10:55 | <Peng_> | Actually, IPv6 would be a problem, cuz I don't know how to combine native v6 with my HE tunnel. |
| 10:55 | <straterra> | what secret awesome? |
| 10:55 | <@jed> | I love messing with you guys's heads |
| 10:55 | <@jed> | it makes this job sooooo worth it |
| 10:55 | <straterra> | Peng_: why combine? |
| 10:56 | <Peng_> | straterra: Native is better, but I want to keep my old IPs up for at least a while. |
| 10:56 | <jforman> | jed: yeah, we're happy to support your drug habit with our reoccuring linode payments... ;) |
| 10:56 | <straterra> | That's easy to do |
| 10:56 | <Peng_> | At least, like, until I can click the button 50 times to change my DNS records. :P |
| 10:56 | <straterra> | Keep the tunnel up..with the IP's.. |
| 10:56 | <@jed> | actually here is something that's kind of cool, but not the magic awesome: https://undertow.jedsmith.org/zoneslurp/ |
| 10:56 | <straterra> | Then just configure IPv6 addys/routes on the eth0 interface.. |
| 10:56 | <@jed> | feel free to break it |
| 10:56 | <straterra> | and you have both |
| 10:56 | <amitz> | heh, I miss the action again. Curse my bad luck these days. |
| 10:56 | <adj> | no need to buy rackspace. just make sure the planet doesnt blow up another transfer |
| 10:56 | <jess^> | morning boys |
| 10:57 | <JshWright> | jed: but that connection is untrusted! |
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| 10:57 | <JshWright> | (so sayeth firefox) |
| 10:57 | <@jed> | JshWright: heavens above! |
| 10:57 | <adj> | i dont need any more fanatical support (or emails trying to sell me some every couple of hours) |
| 10:57 | <Peng_> | jess^: Looky, DNS manager imports from zone files. ^ |
| 10:57 | <Guspaz|m> | For shame, jed uses an invalid cert :P |
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| 10:57 | <Peng_> | straterra: Well sure, but I'd want to make sure the tunnel didn't get used for outbound traffic by default, and I dunno how to do that. :D |
| 10:57 | * | Peng_ shrugs. |
| 10:57 | <@jed> | it's called "free SSL in 30 seconds with enough effort exerted to push a rock an inch" |
| 10:57 | <Peng_> | And, really, the DNS records would be a nightmare. |
| 10:57 | <straterra> | Peng_: simple..change the default route |
| 10:57 | * | JshWright add an exception, but only because it's jed |
| 10:57 | <erikh> | jed: bullshit. |
| 10:57 | <erikh> | it doesn't take that much effort. |
| 10:57 | <Peng_> | straterra: Oh, that would do it? Nice. |
| 10:58 | <straterra> | Indeed |
| 10:58 | <Peng_> | \o/ |
| 10:58 | <@jed> | erikh: size of the rock is a consideration |
| 10:58 | <straterra> | Eclipse POWAH |
| 10:58 | <erikh> | jed: I still maintain my stance. |
| 10:58 | <erikh> | :P |
| 10:58 | <jess^> | i have SO MANY things to do this week. |
| 10:58 | <Guspaz|m> | Speaking of Undertow, that was a fun game. |
| 10:58 | <Guspaz|m> | Especially since Microsoft gave it away free. |
| 10:58 | <JshWright> | "Powered by Python 2.6 and nginx." fcgi? |
| 10:58 | <Guspaz|m> | Then I paid for the expansion. |
| 10:58 | <@jed> | JshWright: mmhmm |
| 10:59 | <jess^> | i want to finish my online portfolio etc but it's hard to do when you have self-images issues :/ |
| 10:59 | <erikh> | jess^: just streak at the mall |
| 10:59 | <erikh> | cures that right up quick |
| 10:59 | <erikh> | or it puts you in prison |
| 10:59 | <erikh> | one of those two. |
| 11:00 | <Guspaz|m> | That's assuming that prison doesn't also cure it. |
| 11:00 | <erikh> | the issues disappear because the self image does too. |
| 11:01 | <erikh> | see also: the military |
| 11:01 | * | erikh ducks |
| 11:01 | <jess^> | the military won't take me |
| 11:01 | <Peng_> | I wonder if I could change the default outgoing IP address? |
| 11:01 | <jess^> | forcibly or otherwise. |
| 11:02 | <jess^> | i have cerebral palsy, so i'm medically unfit for military duty. |
| 11:02 | <jess^> | you guys can all go off to war. i'll knit socks. |
| 11:02 | <straterra> | oh, cool |
| 11:02 | <straterra> | My state offers a discount for renewing plates online |
| 11:03 | <Peng_> | Ehh, I probably have a long enough list of minor medical conditions to get me out of the military. |
| 11:03 | * | erikh too |
| 11:03 | <straterra> | jess^: are the socks...normal? |
| 11:03 | <erikh> | straterra: they only have room for 3 toes. |
| 11:03 | <Guspaz|m> | jess^: The military has lots of things like desk jobs :P |
| 11:03 | <jess^> | straterra: why wouldn't they be normal? |
| 11:03 | <straterra> | Cause you have cerebral palsy :P |
| 11:04 | <erikh> | straterra: ouch. I commend your complete tastelessness. |
| 11:04 | <straterra> | What? |
| 11:04 | <straterra> | He's states before problems with driving..and now unable to join the military.. |
| 11:04 | <straterra> | It was a serious question on whether he has the precision and dexterity to knit properly |
| 11:04 | <jess^> | Guspaz|m: i have that base covered too. for the most part, i'm a lesbian, i.e. i'm only incidentally heterosexual, i.e. the military doesn't want any of the tounge-in-groove girls in their outfit |
| 11:04 | <straterra> | he/she/whatever |
| 11:05 | <Guspaz|m> | I hear that the US military is changing that. |
| 11:05 | <Guspaz|m> | In Canada, you can't enlist in the military, because we have a professional military (as in, it's a profession, you need to apply for a job as a soldier, and many people are turned down) |
| 11:05 | <adj> | canada has a military? |
| 11:05 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 11:05 | <jess^> | lol |
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| 11:05 | * | straterra shrugs |
| 11:05 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 11:05 | <jess^> | lol, he/she/whatever |
| 11:05 | <Guspaz|m> | I think that you need to pass pretty strict fitness stuff to get in the military. |
| 11:05 | <jess^> | getting your bases covered? :P |
| 11:05 | * | cdlu was turned down by the Canadian military |
| 11:06 | <Guspaz|m> | Failed the fitness test? |
| 11:06 | <cdlu> | didn't get that far but I would have :) |
| 11:06 | * | cdlu applied to RMC in early 1999 |
| 11:06 | <straterra> | It's the internet. men are men, women are men and girls are men pretending to be cops |
| 11:06 | <cdlu> | just as well I didn't get in, I'd probably be in Afghanistan now |
| 11:06 | <Guspaz|m> | Isn't the fitness test the first part? |
| 11:07 | <cdlu> | there were a bunch of written tests |
| 11:07 | <cdlu> | and then an interview |
| 11:07 | <cdlu> | the physical was in there somewhere too |
| 11:07 | <cdlu> | the fitness test would have come after the interview, but I reached the end of the road at the interview |
| 11:07 | <Guspaz|m> | I'd fail the physical, no question. I'm not heavy, but I'm not exactly in shape. |
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| 11:07 | * | cdlu weighs an eighth of a ton |
| 11:08 | <erikh> | cdlu: ouch. |
| 11:08 | <cdlu> | which is a fancy way of saying 250 pounds :) |
| 11:08 | <cdlu> | but I wasn't quite that big when I applied |
| 11:08 | <spkitty> | i don't know how much i weigh in your moon units |
| 11:08 | <Guspaz|m> | 275 if you're exactly an eigth :P |
| 11:08 | <cdlu> | Guspaz|m, you must have strange tons. :) |
| 11:08 | <Guspaz|m> | Although, if you weren't talking metric tons, then I'll just throw up my hands at the crazy Imperial system. |
| 11:09 | <cdlu> | I convert tons to pounds tonnes to kilos. Take your pick. :) |
| 11:09 | <Guspaz|m> | !newcalc 1/8 metric tons in lbs |
| 11:09 | <linbot> | Guspaz|m: (1/8) metric tons = 275.577828 pounds |
| 11:09 | <Peng_> | Apparently the US military is less strict about fitness than it used to be. :\ |
| 11:09 | <cdlu> | Peng, ya, cannon fodder doesn't have to be in good shape. |
| 11:09 | <spkitty> | !newcalc 65 kgs in lbs |
| 11:09 | <linbot> | spkitty: 65 kilograms = 143.30047 pounds |
| 11:09 | <Guspaz|m> | peng_: That's because it's not a professional military. People enlist rather than apply. |
| 11:09 | <spkitty> | welp |
| 11:09 | <erikh> | heh |
| 11:10 | <Peng_> | cdlu: In this case, it was someone applying for a desk job. |
| 11:10 | <Guspaz|m> | I used to be underweight. Now I'm 160lbs, so I'm fine. |
| 11:10 | <Peng_> | s/applying/whatever/ |
| 11:10 | * | cdlu was amused to find that Canadian police forces have a stricter fitness standard than the armed forces. |
| 11:10 | * | jess^ finds her rfid badge that lets her into work |
| 11:10 | <Guspaz|m> | We take policing seriously ;) |
| 11:10 | <jess^> | yay, it's not lost |
| 11:10 | <cdlu> | we do :) |
| 11:11 | <cdlu> | Peel Region has had more than 10,000 applicants already this year |
| 11:11 | <cdlu> | wouldn't want to be applying to be a cop at the moment! |
| 11:11 | <Peng_> | Which pays better? |
| 11:11 | <cdlu> | depends on your rank :) |
| 11:11 | <cdlu> | I'm sure a General in the armed forces makes more than a Special Constable in the police service |
| 11:11 | <Peng_> | Your average cannon fodder, as an example. |
| 11:11 | <cdlu> | cannon fodder pays poorly |
| 11:12 | <cdlu> | and they cut back your pay retroactive to the day you died |
| 11:12 | <Guspaz|m> | But if you're smart you probably won't end up as cannon fodder. |
| 11:12 | <cdlu> | "arrows cost money, the dead cost nothing" - longshanks (braveheart) |
| 11:12 | <Guspaz|m> | As in, they'd make you a tech or something. |
| 11:12 | <erikh> | someone's gotta run out there and get shot |
| 11:13 | <erikh> | besides, you guys are from canada |
| 11:13 | <cdlu> | I wonder if I still have "murphy's military laws" kicking around |
| 11:13 | <erikh> | all you guys do is crash planes and clean up horse crap from your "motorized transports" |
| 11:13 | <erikh> | sorry, had to be said |
| 11:13 | <cdlu> | gems like 'the buddy system is essential to your survival -- it gives the enemy someone else to shoot at' |
| 11:13 | <cdlu> | erikh, hey, at least we upgraded from air guns to 22s for our forces! |
| 11:13 | <erikh> | hahaha. |
| 11:14 | <Guspaz|m> | Those pellets packed a wollop, though... |
| 11:14 | <cdlu> | I had a friend who got all the way through basic without firing a shot |
| 11:14 | <cdlu> | bullets were too expensive :) |
| 11:14 | <Guspaz|m> | I'd imagine that simunition costs more than real rounds. |
| 11:15 | <KingTarquin> | Is there a way to view the entire zone file for a remote domain? |
| 11:15 | <Peng_> | cdlu: When was that? |
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| 11:16 | <Peng_> | KingTarquin: You can try an AXFR, but many domains don't allow it. |
| 11:17 | <cdlu> | Peng, my friend's basic? |
| 11:17 | <cdlu> | 1999/2000ish |
| 11:17 | <cdlu> | in the reserves |
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| 11:18 | <Peng_> | I wonder if that's changed now, what with Afghanistan? |
| 11:18 | <cdlu> | no idea |
| 11:18 | <cdlu> | a friend of mine is going to be rotated into afghanistan next spring |
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| 11:19 | * | Guspaz|m wishes that the US had kept supporting Afghanistan rather than moving on to Iraq and leaving Canada with the slack :( |
| 11:19 | * | cdlu wishes we were fighting wars worth fighting |
| 11:19 | <cdlu> | why are we dying for another tinpot dictator? |
| 11:20 | <Guspaz|m> | Afghanistan never had a dictator. |
| 11:20 | * | cdlu gestures toward Karzai's slow seizure of absolute power |
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| 11:20 | <cdlu> | not a war worth fighting imo. |
| 11:20 | <Guspaz|m> | It was worth getting into to begin with. |
| 11:21 | <Guspaz|m> | As to if it's worth staying, dunno. |
| 11:21 | <Guspaz|m> | I've more or less ignored Canadian news for the past 6 months or so. |
| 11:21 | <Guspaz|m> | Including local :P |
| 11:21 | <cdlu> | heh |
| 11:22 | <Guspaz|m> | Ever since I stopped reading the newspaper for lack of time |
| 11:22 | <cdlu> | the news this morning noted that a Canadian soldier's chance of being killed in Afghanistan is now 1 in 62 |
| 11:22 | <linbot> | New news from forums: Is Linode the right choice? in General Discussion <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4756>; |
| 11:22 | <cdlu> | the same chance as Russian soldiers had 28 years ago |
| 11:22 | <amitz> | cdlu: that doesn't sound good |
| 11:22 | <cdlu> | ya, it's pretty dire |
| 11:23 | <JshWright> | fun with statistics |
| 11:23 | <cdlu> | I wouldn't complain if it was worth fighting for |
| 11:23 | <Guspaz|m> | It's what happens when a country as small as Canada is tasked with occupying the entire southern portion of a country like Afghanistan. |
| 11:23 | <cdlu> | yep |
| 11:24 | <amitz> | JshWright: I know what you mean, to get that statistic, either Canada know something they should have told the people or there are disturbingly many incidents.. |
| 11:24 | <cdlu> | ok, off to have some quintessential Canadian food |
| 11:24 | * | cdlu poutine & |
| 11:24 | <amitz> | or Lies, damn lies, and statistic. |
| 11:25 | <amitz> | sorry, wrong quote. "How to lie with statistic". |
| 11:26 | * | Guspaz|m is exagerating a bit. Canada only has to occupy the Kandahar province. |
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| 11:26 | <Peng_> | Wikipedia says they plan to leave Kandahar either by or during 2011. |
| 11:26 | <Guspaz|m> | Meh, the plans to leave are decided by the whim of the party in power at the time. |
| 11:27 | <Guspaz|m> | It's a minority government. Whose to say that the Conservatives will be in power instead of the Liberals in a few months? |
| 11:27 | <Guspaz|m> | There's rumblings of an election soon. |
| 11:27 | <Guspaz|m> | Although I think the Bloc Quebecois propped up the conservatives recently to avoid the recent threat. |
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| 11:29 | <amitz> | Guspaz|m: I get this impression that Canada's politic is very ..dynamic for a developed country? |
| 11:29 | <jonny5> | Cabbage is nearly ready on Farmville |
| 11:30 | <Guspaz|m> | amitz: Hardly, the kind of two-party system you have in the US is pretty rare in the developed world. |
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| 11:31 | <Guspaz|m> | Also, fully private medical systems are, IIRC, unique to the US. |
| 11:31 | <amitz> | you mean, the 2 party system actually encourages intense dynamic instead? |
| 11:31 | <JshWright> | The US medical system is hardly fully private |
| 11:32 | <Guspaz|m> | JshWright: Apart from some mandatory state-imposed health insurance plans like MassHealth, or the US "MediCare" that is only for the old... |
| 11:32 | <Guspaz|m> | The US healthcare system is kind of a joke to the rest of the world. |
| 11:32 | <Peng_> | That still counts as "not fully private". |
| 11:32 | <Peng_> | Although I don't think anybody cares? |
| 11:33 | <laser`> | Oh, I just thought that Medicare was just a State-run insurance system? |
| 11:33 | <laser`> | the actual medical system is fully private? |
| 11:33 | <laser`> | There are state run hospitals too? |
| 11:33 | <Guspaz|m> | Are there? I don't know. |
| 11:33 | <JshWright> | laser`: yes |
| 11:33 | <laser`> | Learn something every day :) |
| 11:33 | <Peng_> | I haven't been paying attention; do the "Obama is a socialist!" people want to shut down Medicare too? |
| 11:34 | <JshWright> | Most state university systems have "teaching hospitals" |
| 11:34 | * | Guspaz|m is very happy with L'Assurance Maladie. |
| 11:34 | * | laser` <3 the NHS :P |
| 11:34 | <laser`> | I find this death list system horrendous :S |
| 11:34 | <Guspaz|m> | peng_: No, those people are busy saying the Government should keep their hands off Medicare, in a strange oxymoronic fashion, not realizing that the government runs medicare. |
| 11:35 | <Peng_> | Guspaz|m: Ah. |
| 11:35 | <laser`> | I can't believe some states (I remember reading about Flordia, unsure about others) actually have priority lists for cancer patients to get treatment in the case of a swine flu outbreak |
| 11:35 | <Jonathan1> | I don't understand why people would want to keep the healthcare insurance system in place, it seems very strange to me, stockholm syndrome |
| 11:35 | <JshWright> | laser`: why not? |
| 11:36 | <Guspaz|m> | Because here in Quebec, every single citizen can get a free swine flu shot if they want it? |
| 11:36 | <Guspaz|m> | The federal government ordered, IIRC, 52 million shots. |
| 11:36 | <Guspaz|m> | Which for some reason is 50% more than our population. |
| 11:36 | <Peng_> | The federal government of Canada? |
| 11:36 | <JshWright> | Guspaz|m: did they get them all? |
| 11:36 | <Guspaz|m> | JshWright: I presume so. |
| 11:36 | <laser`> | The UK government ordered 80 M, I think |
| 11:36 | <laser`> | Only 30 so far |
| 11:36 | <Peng_> | Well give some of them to us in the U.S.; I still haven't gotten a damn shot. |
| 11:36 | <laser`> | (30 M) |
| 11:37 | <Battousai> | sometimes you need a double dose of fun |
| 11:37 | <Peng_> | (It's scheduled for this week, though.) |
| 11:37 | <Peng_> | </whining> |
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| 11:38 | <JshWright> | Guspaz|m: the issues in the US haven't been insurance related, they've been supply related |
| 11:38 | <Guspaz|m> | Apparently they're rolling it out on a priority-based system here too. Montreal got 160 thousand shots and those were given to highest priority. Next will be high risk people, although they'll vaccinate anybody who shows up. |
| 11:39 | <Guspaz|m> | So looks like NOvember 6th is when that happens. |
| 11:39 | <Guspaz|m> | JshWright: I know, but the US pays way more per-capita for health care and gets similar quality service to other countries that have universal healthcare. |
| 11:40 | <Guspaz|m> | I shouldn't care, though, since it doesn't affect me :P Unless I ever take a job in the US. |
| 11:40 | <laser`> | I thought a study showed that the quality was actually considerably lower? |
| 11:40 | <JshWright> | Guspaz|m: I'm not contesting that, I'm just pointing out places where you are mischaracterizing issues |
| 11:40 | <Guspaz|m> | JshWright: I wasn't mischaracterizing, I just randomly changed the topic. |
| 11:41 | <Guspaz|m> | I do that a lot. |
| 11:41 | <JshWright> | heh |
| 11:41 | <Guspaz|m> | laser`: I don't know that they do. Certainly it's no higher. But they *do* pay way more than us. |
| 11:41 | <Guspaz|m> | Because their healthcare providers are actually trying to make a profit of all things. |
| 11:42 | <Guspaz|m> | And their insurance companies are actually allowed to deny coverage and claims! |
| 11:42 | <laser`> | Indeed |
| 11:42 | <Guspaz|m> | Kind of defeats the purpose of insurance. |
| 11:42 | <laser`> | "Domestic abuse" can apparently be a pre-existing condition :S |
| 11:42 | <Guspaz|m> | Yeah, I heard about a girl who got refused coverage because she wasn't eating enough and her parents took her to an eating coach. |
| 11:43 | <jonny5> | Can being denied coverage be grounds for denying coverage? |
| 11:43 | <Guspaz|m> | jonny5: It seems that they'll take any excuse. |
| 11:43 | <JshWright> | jonny5: in a sense, yes |
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| 11:43 | <laser`> | I think car insurance in the UK works like that |
| 11:43 | <jonny5> | Ouch |
| 11:43 | <laser`> | I know I normally get asked "Have you ever been denied coverage in the past?" |
| 11:44 | <Guspaz|m> | I just don't get it how they're allowed to deny coverage or deny claims. I mean, it boggles the mind that they're allowed to tell somebody they won't cover them. |
| 11:44 | <laser`> | They're private companies, they can cover whoever they want |
| 11:44 | <Guspaz|m> | That's what regulation is for. |
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| 11:45 | <AndrewLuecke> | ey |
| 11:45 | <Guspaz|m> | Confuses the heck out of me. I'm not sure if our insurers can deny coverage, but medicare certainly can't, and everybody gets that. |
| 11:47 | <Guspaz|m> | I'm not sure if my health insurer (Empire Life) denies coverage. I've got lots of pre-existing conditions, but it was automatic when I got my job. |
| 11:47 | <Guspaz|m> | Awesomely, they provide supplemental coverage in the US (medicare only covers equivalent cost, and since US costs are insane, it doesn't cover all US costs) |
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| 12:03 | <MsMimi> | Do you think it is better to buy a linode 2880 or split my servers and buy the linode 1440? |
| 12:03 | <JshWright> | MsMimi: what are you bottlenecking on? |
| 12:03 | <MsMimi> | eh? |
| 12:03 | <MsMimi> | :P |
| 12:04 | <JshWright> | why do you need to upgrade? |
| 12:04 | <MsMimi> | cpu usage |
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| 12:04 | <JshWright> | what services are you running? |
| 12:04 | <MsMimi> | its over 150% |
| 12:04 | <MsMimi> | linode 1440 |
| 12:04 | <JshWright> | no, what is your linode doing? |
| 12:05 | <MsMimi> | the cpu usage is so high |
| 12:05 | <MsMimi> | it gets to more than 200% |
| 12:05 | <JshWright> | I understand that... |
| 12:05 | <JshWright> | what tasks are you performing with your linode? |
| 12:05 | <MsMimi> | mysql |
| 12:05 | <MsMimi> | is the cause |
| 12:05 | <MsMimi> | i run a forum |
| 12:06 | <Guspaz|m> | You're using 150-200% out of 400%? Why do you need an upgrade? |
| 12:06 | <Guspaz|m> | You're using less than half your available CPU time. |
| 12:06 | <MsMimi> | oh really? |
| 12:06 | <MsMimi> | cool |
| 12:06 | <MsMimi> | so 400% is max? |
| 12:06 | <Guspaz|m> | Four virtual cores, so yes. |
| 12:06 | <spkitty> | quad core |
| 12:06 | <MsMimi> | yay |
| 12:06 | <MsMimi> | :) |
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| 12:07 | <JshWright> | You could probably tweak MySQL to drop that usage down a bit... |
| 12:07 | <MsMimi> | I don't need to split yet |
| 12:07 | <Guspaz|m> | Well, not quad core, no. |
| 12:07 | <MsMimi> | i tweaked it already |
| 12:07 | <MsMimi> | its just that the search function |
| 12:07 | <MsMimi> | of the forum |
| 12:07 | <powerrock> | hello |
| 12:07 | <spkitty> | big forum then? |
| 12:07 | <MsMimi> | is killing my server |
| 12:07 | <MsMimi> | not that big |
| 12:07 | <spkitty> | usually the biggest split off search to a separate server |
| 12:07 | <Guspaz|m> | Linode hosts use two quad-core CPUs (eight total), the Xen virtual cores are not guaranteed to correspond to any physical CPU cores. They're virtual. |
| 12:07 | <JshWright> | rate limit the search a bit? |
| 12:07 | <MsMimi> | only 2000-3000 visitors |
| 12:07 | <nb> | spamassassin and clamav are killing my server |
| 12:07 | * | nb is upgrading to 720 linode |
| 12:08 | <MsMimi> | well JshWright |
| 12:08 | <Guspaz|m> | MsMimi: So, you've given MySQL a big enough cache, then? |
| 12:08 | <powerrock> | when I login, i get a message |
| 12:08 | <powerrock> | There is no screen to be attached matching linode16310. |
| 12:08 | <powerrock> | Your Linode isn't running, or another console session is already active. |
| 12:08 | <MsMimi> | that is the key to my success |
| 12:08 | <MsMimi> | tthe search function |
| 12:08 | <MsMimi> | if i limit it, it would bring down revenue and pageviews |
| 12:09 | <Guspaz|m> | Do you have any visible signs of performance problems? |
| 12:09 | <Guspaz|m> | Or are endusers happy with the performance? |
| 12:09 | <MsMimi> | well not really gus |
| 12:09 | <MsMimi> | its pretty decent |
| 12:10 | <MsMimi> | Though maybe if I upgrade |
| 12:10 | <MsMimi> | it would bring in more traffic |
| 12:10 | <MsMimi> | i was just asking |
| 12:10 | <MsMimi> | which is better |
| 12:10 | <Guspaz|m> | Well, if performance is fine now, I doubt an upgrade would help. Performance would go from fine to fine :P |
| 12:10 | <MsMimi> | ah thanks guys |
| 12:10 | <powerrock> | when I go into web dashboard, it says linode is up and running |
| 12:10 | <MsMimi> | your really helpful |
| 12:10 | <Guspaz|m> | If you're really high traffic, it might make sense to get a second linode and offload database stuff to that. |
| 12:10 | <bliblok> | Splitting is prabably better, since CPU is your bottleneck. |
| 12:10 | <Jonathan1> | MsMimi: You might want to look at something like pshinx |
| 12:10 | <Guspaz|m> | And access the database over the private network to avoid bandwidth charges. |
| 12:10 | <Jonathan1> | sphinx* |
| 12:11 | <powerrock> | i see the site i hosted is up and running |
| 12:11 | <jonny5> | I've upgraded and performance feels worse, although need to put into figures or its just superstition |
| 12:11 | <powerrock> | what do I do? |
| 12:11 | <Guspaz|m> | powerrock: You might want to open a ticket with Linode, this is just community support. |
| 12:11 | <powerrock> | ok will do that |
| 12:11 | <powerrock> | thanks |
| 12:11 | <MsMimi> | thanks jonathan |
| 12:11 | <Guspaz|m> | Sounds like a bit more than we can handle |
| 12:11 | <MsMimi> | i'll look into it |
| 12:11 | <powerrock> | i want to make sure that I am not doing something stupid :-) |
| 12:12 | <Jonathan1> | Mysql search facility gets killed on sites with lots of updates |
| 12:12 | <Jonathan1> | All the stuff mysql uses to short cut searches, is disabled everytime an update is made |
| 12:12 | <quanin> | powerrock: if you're inside lish now, try issuing a "kill" command, then reattach to it. |
| 12:13 | <MsMimi> | oh john we already do have full text searching |
| 12:13 | <quanin> | just in case your screen session's just dead from a previous connection that didn't time out. |
| 12:13 | <Jonathan1> | MsMimi - yes, but mysql full text searching isn't good in a heavy update environment |
| 12:13 | <MsMimi> | we get like 10 request per second |
| 12:13 | <MsMimi> | oh i c |
| 12:13 | <Jonathan1> | MsMimi: I assume you are just adding full text index to the existing tables? |
| 12:13 | <MsMimi> | yes Jon |
| 12:13 | <MsMimi> | ^^ |
| 12:14 | <Jonathan1> | MsMimi: Could you deal with a deal in content being added, to it being available in search? |
| 12:14 | <Jonathan1> | sorry, deal with a 'delay' |
| 12:14 | <MsMimi> | I'll look into it jon |
| 12:14 | <MsMimi> | i am using vbulletin software |
| 12:14 | <Guspaz|m> | jonathan1: You're thinking, search in a MEMORY table that's periodically updated? |
| 12:14 | <MsMimi> | if that helps |
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| 12:15 | <nb> | what do you think would be better? running everything on one linode 720 or having 2 360's and run clamd.scan and spamassassin on the 2nd? |
| 12:15 | <powerrock> | quanin, thanks, i tried that and it didn't fix the issue |
| 12:16 | <Guspaz|m> | nb: What are you limited on? RAM? Then one 720 should be fine. |
| 12:16 | <jess^> | rrrr. |
| 12:16 | <powerrock> | i will raise a ticket |
| 12:16 | <nb> | Guspaz|m, yeah, ram |
| 12:16 | <Jonathan1> | Guspaz|m: MySQL memory tables have very few advantages over disk based in my experience, but I was thinking of something along those lines, even having new content go to a seperate location initially, and only being bulked in hourly. This would improve the query cache etc performance a lot. |
| 12:16 | <quanin> | powerrock: try rebooting it? either from the web or from lish. if from the web, keep an eye on lish for job completed notifications. |
| 12:16 | <nb> | Guspaz|m, yeah, i have a 540 now, and tend to be running into swap quite a bit |
| 12:16 | <jonny5> | My 2 pennies, have you got APC or an opcode cache installed? |
| 12:17 | <Jonathan1> | MsMimi: I would maybe google and see what known plugins/solutions other users of the software use to power search |
| 12:18 | <quanin> | powerrock: failing that, yeah, definitely give a support ticket a try. but it sounds to me like lish just doesn't have the PID or whatever it needs to determine your linode's running. |
| 12:19 | <Guspaz|m> | nb: Then throwing more RAM at the problem should solve your problems. Doesn't sound like you need the extra headache of administrating two systems. |
| 12:19 | <nb> | Guspaz|m, true |
| 12:20 | <Guspaz|m> | I think we've got SpamAssasin running on our 540 at Otakuthon, and it's a huge memory hog. |
| 12:21 | <MsMimi> | thanks guys |
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| 12:21 | <MsMimi> | I'll do that jon |
| 12:21 | <MsMimi> | That would probably help me out a lot |
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| 12:22 | <jess^> | mmm load averages |
| 12:22 | <Guspaz|m> | I was going to suggest to her that vBulletin apparently has some sort of built-in data caching system called "datastore caching" |
| 12:23 | <nb> | Guspaz|m, yeah, i changed it from 5 to 3 children, each take about 5% ram according to top, and clamd takes like 13% |
| 12:23 | <nb> | although clamd is just one process at least |
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| 12:23 | <MsMimi> | sorry |
| 12:23 | <MsMimi> | got dc |
| 12:23 | <jonny5> | I was going to suggest APC cache if its in PHP... can sometimes half CPU usage |
| 12:23 | <Guspaz|m> | MsMimi: vBulletin apparently has built-in caching called "datastore caching", are you using that? |
| 12:24 | <MsMimi> | guspaz yes I am |
| 12:24 | <MsMimi> | I have fully optimized my forum |
| 12:24 | <MsMimi> | to the max |
| 12:24 | <MsMimi> | at least I think |
| 12:24 | <MsMimi> | xD |
| 12:24 | <Guspaz|m> | Also using a PHP object cache? APC or eAccelerator or something? |
| 12:24 | <jonny5> | MsMimi: Have you installed munin or something similar to get graphs? They can help analyse the problem |
| 12:25 | <MsMimi> | yip using all the cache methods |
| 12:25 | <Guspaz|m> | If all else fails, you can move the database to a dedicated linode and use the private network to communicate between them, which is free (no bandwidth cost, high speed). |
| 12:25 | <MsMimi> | yes jonny its the mysql for sure |
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| 12:25 | <MsMimi> | dedicated linode? |
| 12:25 | <MsMimi> | hmmm |
| 12:26 | <jonny5> | Dedicated database linode sounds like a good plan |
| 12:26 | <Guspaz|m> | Yeah, a linode just for the database server. So long as it's in the same datacenter, you've got the private network between them. |
| 12:26 | <MsMimi> | ah sweet |
| 12:26 | <MsMimi> | I had another question |
| 12:26 | <jonny5> | You could even get two of them and replicate between them |
| 12:26 | <Jonathan1> | You guys know more about linode than me, but if you only have 1 linode as a server - why add 1 for the db? Wouldn't it be better to just scale the existing linode, add the ram to mysql and have no network latency (however small)? |
| 12:26 | <MsMimi> | why should i stick with vps if i can get dedicated for the same price? |
| 12:27 | <bliblok> | Because linode rocks. |
| 12:27 | <MsMimi> | well i agree linode rocks |
| 12:27 | <Guspaz|m> | jonathan1: Increasing the size of a Linode doesn't necessarily give you much more CPU power. |
| 12:27 | <MsMimi> | i have not had a downtime yet |
| 12:27 | <Battousai> | free reboots! |
| 12:27 | <Guspaz|m> | A bigger linode *guarantees* you a bigger share, but if your host isn't heavily utilized anyhow, you'd get the same performance. |
| 12:27 | <MsMimi> | just asking why linode vps is better than say softlayer dedicated? |
| 12:27 | <Jonathan1> | Guspaz - I thought that was the whole point, larger linodes have less contention = more cpu share |
| 12:28 | <Guspaz|m> | You get a bigger share only if there is contention. If the host has idle time, you'll get it if you need it. |
| 12:28 | <MsMimi> | ah thanks |
| 12:28 | <Jonathan1> | Sorry, I still don't see the benefit in going to 1 frontend / 1 database linode |
| 12:28 | <MsMimi> | I guess i'll stick with linode until they kick me out |
| 12:28 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 12:28 | <MsMimi> | lol |
| 12:28 | <Jonathan1> | It just seems to add network for no reason |
| 12:28 | <Guspaz|m> | jonathan1: If your linode is maxing out the CPU, there isn't much point to upgrading it. |
| 12:29 | <Guspaz|m> | MsMimi: It's a lot easier to deploy/manage linodes than a dedicated server, and you get a lot more control and flexibility. |
| 12:29 | <Jonathan1> | How can that be? If my linode 360 is maxing CPU, going to 1440 wont help? |
| 12:29 | <Jonathan1> | IF thats true, then somethings seriously wrong |
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| 12:30 | <Guspaz|m> | jonathan1: Your linode can use up to half of a host's available CPU time if it's available. A 360 and 1440 both have the same theoretical maximum performance (half the host). The 1440 just guarantees a bigger minimum share. |
| 12:30 | <Guspaz|m> | But that max burst is still the same. |
| 12:30 | <straterra> | It'll only help if your 360 is fighting for CPU cycles with other guests |
| 12:30 | <Jonathan1> | So you do get more resources (assuming you always get min share) on a bigger linode, which makes sense |
| 12:30 | <Jonathan1> | Simple plain scaling |
| 12:30 | <Jonathan1> | Assuming worst case of min share. |
| 12:31 | <MsMimi> | ah thanks gus |
| 12:31 | <Guspaz|m> | Only if the host has CPU contention, which seems to be uncommon at Linode. The hosts are usually not overloaded. |
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| 12:31 | <MsMimi> | is the best place to setup linode in New Jersey if your site is international? |
| 12:31 | <Guspaz|m> | MsMimi: That seems to be the consensus. |
| 12:31 | <nb> | yeah, most all of the hosts i have been on have been host load: idle |
| 12:31 | <Guspaz|m> | MsMimi: But that depends on where your visitors are mostly from. |
| 12:31 | <Guspaz|m> | nb: The host load is only for the dom0, not other linodes. |
| 12:32 | <MsMimi> | i see |
| 12:32 | <eric_g> | Anyone from management around? |
| 12:32 | <Jonathan1> | Yes, but lets assume the worst, then the basis of bigger linode = more CPU is true, what you might get for grattis on a smaller, is a hope |
| 12:32 | <MsMimi> | thanks |
| 12:32 | <MsMimi> | :) |
| 12:32 | <nb> | Guspaz|m, oh so that doesn't tell how much is actually in use by other linodes? |
| 12:32 | <Guspaz|m> | nb: AFAIK, no. |
| 12:32 | <MsMimi> | jon won't it be more cost effective if you had 2 servers rather than one? |
| 12:33 | <Jonathan1> | MsMimi - if 1 server is the web server, and 1 server is the database... no. Having 1 larger server, running both would be more efficient. |
| 12:33 | <Guspaz|m> | jonathan1: Yes. My point is since linode hosts tend to be underutilized, if you're already maxing out half the host CPU, then upgrading, you'll still be maxing out half the host CPU. No benefit, then. |
| 12:33 | <Jonathan1> | The question comes when you need multiple web servers, then having a seperate database server starts to make sense. |
| 12:33 | <MsMimi> | ah i c |
| 12:33 | <Guspaz|m> | Also, disk IO is something that tends to be really hard to schedule, so it's incredibly difficult to fairly split disk IO. |
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| 12:34 | <Guspaz|m> | If you're RAM limited, upgrading the Linode makes sense. If you're IO or CPU limited, getting a second Linode makes more sense. |
| 12:34 | <kg4peq> | Is Atlanta having issues? Server is unresponsive, Console not loading. |
| 12:34 | <Jonathan1> | Guspaz|m: assuming you are bursting all the time, if one is within ones limits and simply wants to gurantee that those limits will surfice, then upgrading makes perfect sense |
| 12:34 | <straterra> | kg4peq: yes |
| 12:34 | <kg4peq> | Thanks! |
| 12:34 | <Guspaz|m> | kg4peq: They're having network issues in Atlanta: http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4761 |
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| 12:35 | <Guspaz|m> | jonathan1: Yeah, and if you're maxing out the burst all the time and you want more, you need another linode. |
| 12:35 | <Jonathan1> | ..... |
| 12:35 | <Jonathan1> | that makes no sense |
| 12:35 | <Guspaz|m> | Of course it does. |
| 12:35 | <jess^> | linode rocks |
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| 12:35 | <Jonathan1> | no wait, it does |
| 12:35 | <Jonathan1> | Ok yes, it does |
| 12:35 | <Jonathan1> | However, your assuming it's maxing burst |
| 12:35 | <jess^> | well |
| 12:35 | <Jonathan1> | I'm talking about guranteed resources |
| 12:35 | <@jed> | http://xkcd.com/654/ |
| 12:35 | <@jed> | ^ hah |
| 12:35 | <Guspaz|m> | Jonathan1: Yeah, I am, but it seems to be the norm at Linode, and it's really difficult to tell if you are. |
| 12:35 | <Jonathan1> | and guranteed resources scales with size |
| 12:35 | <jess^> | jed: hi! |
| 12:36 | <@jed> | sup. |
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| 12:36 | <Guspaz|m> | jonathan1: The only way to ensure access to more burst capacity is another linode. You get both the minimum guarantee, and extra burst. |
| 12:36 | <Jonathan1> | Sure, you were starting to depress me, my plans of scaling at linode were looking like poo. |
| 12:36 | <Jonathan1> | I don't care about burst |
| 12:36 | <Jonathan1> | I'm happy to live within guranteed |
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| 12:37 | <Guspaz|m> | Yeah, the problem is, a customer on a 360 maxing out his CPU who upgrades to a 2880 might say "How come I'm still maxing out the CPU?" |
| 12:37 | <Guspaz|m> | And people have complained before. |
| 12:38 | <Guspaz|m> | Because they were getting max burst both before and after the upgrade. |
| 12:38 | <Jonathan1> | I understand, but maxing out is relative, the customer just isn't understanding that the cpu load still exceeds what they have available |
| 12:38 | <Jonathan1> | at this point you need to vertically scale |
| 12:38 | <Jonathan1> | nope |
| 12:38 | <Jonathan1> | horizontally |
| 12:38 | <Jonathan1> | I always mix those words up |
| 12:38 | <Jonathan1> | :) |
| 12:38 | <Guspaz|m> | Yeah, I was about to say. |
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| 12:39 | <Guspaz|m> | xkcd's new design is awesome. |
| 12:39 | <Guspaz|m> | I wonder if any of my old geocities sites still exist. If they do, I haven't known their URLs for like a decade. |
| 12:39 | <jess^> | nope |
| 12:39 | <jess^> | geocities closes today |
| 12:39 | <Guspaz|m> | I mean before it closes :P |
| 12:39 | <Jonathan1> | Thats fine, I've written my basic app to start with 2 linodes, the database is already in 2 shards. Initially I would simply expand horizontally for the database and vertically for the web servers, if it does enough traffic to need that much, I can worry about where to go next. |
| 12:40 | <jess^> | mmmm database shards. |
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| 12:40 | <Jonathan1> | Todays xkcd was brilliants |
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| 12:40 | <Guspaz|m> | jonathan1: But we've all been dancing around disk IO. That's something that also doesn't scale terribly well. It tends to be easier to scale horizontally there. |
| 12:41 | <amitz> | This is probably the 4th time someone mentione about the coolness of the newest xkcd design. |
| 12:41 | * | amitz go see. |
| 12:41 | <Jonathan1> | Sure, but lets face it I'm doing it on vps, I'm doing it on a budget that wouldn't cover my ciggarets in the same time period, I can live with imperfections :) |
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| 12:42 | <amitz> | ah |
| 12:42 | <Guspaz|m> | A vps-based solution *can* be high performance. There are reasons other than limited budgets to go VPS. There are so many advantages to a well-done VPS (like at Linode). |
| 12:42 | <Jonathan1> | if disk IO becomes a huge issue, I'll throw everything into ram drives/memcached |
| 12:43 | <Guspaz|m> | Scaling horizontally rapidly, fast recovery from hardware failures, being able to clone nodes easily and move disk images around, easy failover solutions... |
| 12:43 | <Jonathan1> | Guspaz|m: I'm not nocking it, all I'm saying is, if I'd won the lotto, I'd probably do it different :) |
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| 12:44 | <Guspaz|m> | If I won the lotto, I'd probably just scale horizontally and vertically at Linode. Except I no longer do any "professional" hosting (stuff that makes money). |
| 12:44 | <Jonathan1> | The easy failover is my primary reason for being here |
| 12:44 | <Guspaz|m> | I've been down the dedicated server route. Lindode is a breath of fresh air compared to that. |
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| 12:45 | <Guspaz|m> | Only time I'd consider different is if I needed to start thinking about coloing. |
| 12:45 | <Jonathan1> | I've had very good and very bad dedicated experiences |
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| 12:45 | <Jonathan1> | The good ones cost lots |
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| 12:46 | <Jonathan1> | I am very happy with linode, should it come to a point, which is unlikely as my idea will probably flop, where I need to scale like facebook, I will welcome the problem :) |
| 12:46 | <Guspaz|m> | Mine wasn't bad. I signed up at ThePlanet back when their support didn't suck. I was originally a ServerMatrix customer, from 2003. |
| 12:47 | <Guspaz|m> | Back then I used RHEL3, which couldn't upgrade between versions like Debian/Ubuntu can. |
| 12:47 | <Jonathan1> | Every unmanaged dedicated sever I've used, was a problem, mainly because of my lack of knowledge |
| 12:47 | <Guspaz|m> | And RHEL3 sucked. |
| 12:47 | <Guspaz|m> | Linodes are unmanaged though... |
| 12:47 | <Jonathan1> | I used dedicated servers from pair.com for a former contract, and they were brilliant, totally managed |
| 12:47 | <cdlu> | ats |
| 12:47 | <cdlu> | ww |
| 12:47 | <Jonathan1> | Yes, they are |
| 12:48 | <tarpman> | cdlu: I agree with whatever you just said. |
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| 12:48 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 12:48 | <Jonathan1> | lol |
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| 12:48 | <Jonathan1> | My lack of knowledge isn't quite as painful at linode tho |
| 12:48 | <Jonathan1> | for all the reasons you stated |
| 12:48 | <Jonathan1> | and the great helpful irc guys :D |
| 12:49 | <Guspaz|m> | Yeah, it's nice that Linode has an active forum community like ThePlanet did, and also IRC. |
| 12:52 | <Jonathan1> | You've got me thinking about how to move now, it probably is better to add more nodes than upgrade them |
| 12:53 | <Guspaz|m> | Well, the same questions I asked the other people before, where are you bottlenecked? |
| 12:53 | <Jonathan1> | I'm not, it's just plan for scale, the first bottleneck will be ram. |
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| 12:55 | <ribtib> | just a quick question. Adding a second domain to my single linode, do I add a new dnszone and that's it (I know how to handle the virtual hosts stuff on the server later, I'm just not sure on the DNS settings) |
| 12:55 | <Guspaz|m> | RAM is quite well handled by vertical scaling. |
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| 12:55 | <Jonathan1> | I guess the first move will be to seperate the frontends from the db - go to 4 small nodes, then can go verticle from there |
| 12:56 | <Jonathan1> | ribtib: yep, 1 zone per domain |
| 12:57 | <ribtib> | Jonathan: thanks much. anything else around the dns setting I need to think of for my second domain or is it just a simple as that. just want to doublecheck if there's something obvious I'm missing. |
| 12:57 | <Jonathan1> | Nup it's pretty straight forward, I only did it yesterday myself, nothing tricky |
| 12:58 | <ribtib> | ok, thanks. |
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| 12:58 | <Guspaz|m> | The nice thing about databases is that, with replication, you can scale that horizontally as much as needed. Actually, you can do the same with application servers if you've got a reverse proxy frontend. I hear that Varnish is quite nice at that. |
| 12:59 | <Jonathan1> | I'm using haproxy to load balance/failover the web/app servers |
| 12:59 | <Jonathan1> | I'm working on it doing the database failover/load balancing |
| 12:59 | <Jonathan1> | having 2 db shared, both replicated |
| 12:59 | <Jonathan1> | sorry, shards not shared |
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| 13:02 | <Jonathan1> | My main problem with the moment is php |
| 13:03 | <Jonathan1> | I didn't want to write the basic web parts in java, and I don't like ruby/python |
| 13:03 | <Jonathan1> | but php frameworks are so poor for anything that isn't bog standard 1 server 1 db |
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| 13:05 | <nard> | what framework are you using? |
| 13:05 | <@mikegrb> | mmm cake |
| 13:05 | <Jonathan1> | I flipped a coin and went with zend, symfony/cake all have the same issues |
| 13:06 | <Jonathan1> | I think it's more down to the orm's than the frameworks, the orm's don't like sharding |
| 13:06 | <@mikegrb> | mmm cake |
| 13:06 | <nard> | ah. I've used cake myself. you really need to tune the queries, because sometimes their ORM is chatty and pulls alot of extra data or makes unneeded joins for the situation. |
| 13:06 | <Jonathan1> | I'm trying to get doctrine to accept that modelX is sometimes related to connection1, but sometimes connection2 |
| 13:07 | <Jonathan1> | I'm blessed/cursed in that there are pretty much no joins in the app |
| 13:07 | <Jonathan1> | because of the shards, you can't join anything really |
| 13:07 | <nard> | what you'll need to do, is either do modulus to decide which queries goto what database, or you need to connect probably to a main database, to make a query, find out what database this query can run on, and run it again |
| 13:08 | <Jonathan1> | I'm going with a hash mechanism in the primary keys, not using numeric keys |
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| 13:09 | <Jonathan1> | the keys are essentially base 62 representations of sequential ints, but with some detail to define the shard it'll be in |
| 13:09 | <Jonathan1> | hopefully performance won't be too painful as they are still pretty small strings |
| 13:09 | <nard> | can't you use that data then, to tell your php framework where to look for data then? |
| 13:10 | <Jonathan1> | Yep, it's the actual mechanism of telling doctrine to do it thats a pain in the butt |
| 13:10 | <Jonathan1> | Doctrine relies on modelX always going to db1 |
| 13:11 | <Jonathan1> | Have to hack it a bit and tell it to forget everytime the same model from a different shard is required |
| 13:11 | <Jonathan1> | It's just a whinge, it would be nice if the functionality was a bit more available, it's not impossible |
| 13:12 | <nard> | yea, thats i guess the challenge of going a non standard route =p. I've had to hack up cakephp alot to do some things out of the ordinary. |
| 13:13 | <Jonathan1> | I haven't worked in php in a few years, I thought the frameworks would be very different from how they started |
| 13:13 | <Jonathan1> | but they seem to have the same problems |
| 13:13 | <nard> | oh, an idea you can probably do, is make a modification to the orm in your framework to take in an extra value, and use that value to tell the orm which db to query. that way you can still use the orm, with minimal changes. |
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| 13:15 | <Jonathan1> | Basically what I'm doing at the moment is passing the key of whatever type of item, to a class that returns the db connection of the shard it's on, doctrine is then 'brainwashed' into forgetting previous locations and to assume all of those models are now in this shard |
| 13:15 | <Jonathan1> | the application makes sure it splits up queries to the shards so that nothing goes missing, and it works ok |
| 13:15 | <Jonathan1> | it just took a long time to work out how to brainwash doctrines internals |
| 13:16 | <nard> | ah |
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| 13:54 | <@caker> | # uname -a |
| 13:54 | <@caker> | Linux mail.linode.org 2.6.31.5-linode21 #1 SMP Mon Oct 26 17:41:12 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 13:54 | <@caker> | can I get a witness?! |
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| 13:54 | <Battousai> | no you may not |
| 13:55 | <Guspaz|m> | So we're finally moving to a non-ancient kernel. Harumph. |
| 13:55 | <@caker> | huh? |
| 13:55 | <Guspaz|m> | Nothing, I'm just being contraryminded. |
| 13:55 | <Battousai> | non-ancient kernels have been around quite a while |
| 13:55 | <@caker> | we've always had more recent kernels available |
| 13:55 | <Guspaz|m> | Not as stable :P |
| 13:56 | <@caker> | what makes you think this one will be marked stable? |
| 13:56 | <Guspaz|m> | A false assumption. |
| 13:56 | <@caker> | damn straight |
| 13:56 | <Guspaz|m> | Don't mind me, I'm annoyed at compile issues, I'd negate anything you said. You could say that the sky is blue and I'd argue. |
| 13:56 | <Battousai> | not at night it isn't! |
| 13:57 | <Nivex> | Sure it is! It's just so dark you can't see it. |
| 13:57 | <JshWright> | <whisper>He's also Canadian</whisper> |
| 13:57 | <Nivex> | caker: are you making that "latest"? |
| 13:57 | <@caker> | no, but I'm considering making a new "Latest 2.6 paravirt" |
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| 13:58 | <Guspaz|m> | caker: What's keeping newer than 2.6.18 from being marked stable anyhow? |
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| 13:58 | <Battousai> | we need a "Latest kernel32.exe" |
| 13:58 | <@caker> | Guspaz|m: the fact that thousands of VPSs don't have NTP installed |
| 13:58 | <@caker> | also, pvops has just recently become non-buggy |
| 13:59 | <Guspaz|m> | Battousai: Should be theoretically possible, but doesn't seem to be in Linode's plans. |
| 13:59 | <Guspaz|m> | caker: Oh, the time issues. I thought they were solved by now. |
| 13:59 | <Nivex> | If it's a matter of "Latest 2.6 paravirt" being blessed-just-make-sure-you-run-NTP then blog that sucker and let 'er rip :) |
| 14:01 | <Nivex> | for reference: http://wiki.xensource.com/xenwiki/XenParavirtOps |
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| 14:09 | <Guspaz|m> | So if pvops recently went stable, then presumably it will be possible to declare it as stable some time after the time issues are resolved. |
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| 14:14 | <Battousai> | never trust the customer to do the right thing |
| 14:14 | <spkitty> | pretty sure that's oneof the ten commandments Battousai |
| 14:14 | <Battousai> | invariably, some people will see ntpd, think they don't need it and rip it out. then they'll complain that the time is wrong |
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| 14:15 | <JshWright> | I hate it when a given script, typed verbatim into the interpreter works just fine, but fails silently when run from a file... |
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| 14:18 | <chesty> | sh/bash? |
| 14:18 | <JshWright> | python |
| 14:18 | <JshWright> | though I suspect the issue actually lies (lays?) in the API I'm calling |
| 14:18 | <Guspaz|m> | Battousai: What's the underlying cause of the inaccurate time? Presumably that'll be fixed at some point? |
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| 14:32 | <Peng_> | Guspaz|m: The problem is that in pv_ops kernels, the clock is independent from the host's, so obviously the guests need NTP. |
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| 14:35 | <Guspaz|m> | That implies that the guests are incapable of keeping accurate time without help... |
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| 14:36 | <Guspaz|m> | There would have to be a solution to this eventually, I mean, Linode can't stay on 2.6.18 forever. By 2093, I expect it will cause issues! |
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| 14:37 | <Desph> | Any linode coupon codes laying around? |
| 14:37 | <JshWright> | keeping proper time is all but impossible for a VM |
| 14:37 | <Peng_> | Keeping proper time is all but impossible for any computer. |
| 14:38 | <JshWright> | either it needs the host to update it regularly, or it needs to do it on its own |
| 14:38 | <Peng_> | Hell, my Linode is better at it than my PC at home, but nonetheless it isn't an atomic clock. |
| 14:38 | <Peng_> | Desph: Not usually. |
| 14:38 | <Desph> | :( |
| 14:38 | <Peng_> | Desph: You do, of course, gte a discount if you pay for 1+ years. |
| 14:39 | <Desph> | Yeah I bet. I'm having trouble paying for -1 month right now haha |
| 14:39 | <Guspaz|m> | JshWright: Wouldn't adding ntp to the base images fix that for new linodes? |
| 14:39 | <jess^> | well |
| 14:39 | <jess^> | i'll never have problems paying for my linodes |
| 14:39 | <JshWright> | Guspaz|m: I reckon it would, yes |
| 14:39 | <jess^> | because they bill on the first and i get paid on the 30th :D |
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| 14:40 | <Desph> | Good for you >.> |
| 14:40 | <Guspaz|m> | You only get paid once a month o_O |
| 14:40 | <jess^> | twice. |
| 14:41 | <Peng_> | There's nothing _wrong_ with a pv_ops domU's clock, any moreso than any other Linux computer; it's just independent from the host's, requiring NTP to make up for the drift. |
| 14:42 | <amitz> | Guspaz|m: I pay my subordinates 5 times a month in average :-p |
| 14:42 | <Peng_> | If Linode _did_ start putting NTP on the images, I really hope they'd set up some NTP servers for people to use. |
| 14:42 | <Guspaz|m> | peng_: Then the problem will never go away, and it's not really a reason to consider pvops kernels unstable. Unless they'd intend to stick with 2.6.18 for all eternity. |
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| 14:44 | <Guspaz|m> | Even on pvops machines? Then a reboot would eliminate drift. It would slightly mitigate the severity. |
| 14:44 | <Guspaz|m> | Of the issue. |
| 14:44 | <@caker> | SpaceHobo: that's correct on native xen kernels (2.6.18). On pv_op kernels there's no such connection |
| 14:44 | <jess^> | so would putting ntpdate time.apple.com in the cron.hourly :D |
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| 14:45 | <Peng_> | jess^: That's not funny; there are too many people who do things like that. |
| 14:46 | <jess^> | Peng_: how is that not funny? |
| 14:46 | <Desph> | Peng_: Whys that a bad thing? apple time works |
| 14:46 | <jess^> | the reason clocks on modern windows computers and apple computers DON'T drift is BECAUSE they timesync several times a day |
| 14:47 | <jess^> | vista uses a microsoft nptdate server |
| 14:47 | <jess^> | os X uses time.apple.com |
| 14:47 | <jess^> | so why can't linux users do the same with their systems? |
| 14:47 | <Guspaz|m> | ntpd corrects for drift in realtime, having the kernel adjust the rate at which time flows to compensate. |
| 14:47 | <Desph> | Because Peng_ said so |
| 14:47 | <jess^> | ntpdate time.apple.com is in my cron.daily |
| 14:47 | <Peng_> | Because Peng sucks at explaining things. |
| 14:47 | <Desph> | Haha |
| 14:47 | <adj> | ntpd also only corrects a fixed amount. if you are drifting faster than that it will never catch up |
| 14:48 | <jess^> | yeah but |
| 14:48 | <jess^> | i mean |
| 14:48 | <Guspaz|m> | Syncing daily means that every day, your clocks will all jump and your logs won't make sense. |
| 14:48 | <Guspaz|m> | adj: I believe that ntpd will make a larger jump if it has to. |
| 14:48 | <Peng_> | Because it's rude to run ntpdate at the exact same time; a lot of people do it, so NTP servers get _much_ more load at e.g. the top of the hour. |
| 14:48 | <jess^> | ok, BRAND NEW BOX, up for 7 days, and |
| 14:48 | <adj> | believe whatever you want =) |
| 14:48 | <jess^> | 26 Oct 18:45:47 ntpdate[14799]: adjust time server 17.151.16.22 offset -0.000563 sec |
| 14:48 | <Peng_> | adj: By default, NTP will step the clock if it's more than 128 ms off. |
| 14:48 | <jess^> | .000563 is a _tiny-assed_ number |
| 14:49 | <Guspaz|m> | jess^: Why would you do that when you can just "sudo aptitude install ntp" and your clocks will all stay synced? |
| 14:49 | <Peng_> | That too. |
| 14:49 | <Peng_> | Plus, is time.apple.com open access? |
| 14:49 | <jess^> | Guspaz|m: why would i do that when ntpdate is already there? |
| 14:49 | <jess^> | Peng_: yes |
| 14:49 | <jess^> | as far as i know, it is |
| 14:49 | <straterra> | I'd rather use ntpd too |
| 14:50 | <Peng_> | jess^: Because NTP is better? |
| 14:50 | <jess^> | and even if it isn't i own a mac so i have the rights to use it |
| 14:50 | <jess^> | Peng_: better hwo |
| 14:50 | <jess^> | better how |
| 14:50 | <Peng_> | jess^: And to avoid the load issue I mentioned above. |
| 14:50 | <adj> | jess^: if you use ntdp and tier your time servers and clients properly, you *should* never have to cron it |
| 14:50 | <jess^> | "what does it do, and how well does it do it" |
| 14:50 | <jess^> | when comparing two itesm |
| 14:50 | <jess^> | .......... |
| 14:50 | <jess^> | L is for Lysdexia |
| 14:50 | <adj> | jess^: and all you timing sensetive apps will work and your log servers will all have the right timestamps |
| 14:50 | <Guspaz|m> | jess^: Because it's the proper way to do things, it's better, corrects for drift, it's easier to set up, and doesn't hammer Apple's server at a certain point in time? |
| 14:50 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 14:50 | <Desph> | lol @ spell fail |
| 14:51 | <Guspaz|m> | You could manually muck with cron stuff, or you can just run one command and never worry about it again. |
| 14:51 | <Guspaz|m> | All the while getting better accuracy. |
| 14:51 | <Desph> | ima run aptitude install ntp on mah linode |
| 14:51 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 14:51 | <jess^> | lol |
| 14:51 | <Peng_> | Even if you don't care about _your_ clock, the "hammering Apple's server" thing is rude. |
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| 14:51 | <amitz> | Guspaz|m: ntpdate says that it's good for ong term? what to use instead? |
| 14:52 | <Guspaz|m> | amitz: Instead why? Huh? |
| 14:52 | <adj> | Peng_: so is setting your dns servers to 4.2.2.1 and 4.2.2.2, but everyone does that too ;) |
| 14:52 | <Guspaz|m> | Oh. |
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| 14:52 | <jess^> | hammering apple's server? excuse me? do you know how many fucking macs out there >already< sync with time.apple.com? |
| 14:52 | <straterra> | Yes..but they run ntpd :P |
| 14:52 | <jess^> | also, how much data traffic are we TALKING about? |
| 14:52 | <Guspaz|m> | amitz: Just install ntpd ("sudo aptitude install ntp") and be done. |
| 14:52 | <erikh> | huh |
| 14:52 | <Guspaz|m> | jess^: Those macs don't all hammer their server at the same TIME. |
| 14:52 | <Guspaz|m> | You're operating on a fixed schedule. |
| 14:52 | <adj> | jess^: a TREMENDOUS number of small packets, actually |
| 14:53 | <adj> | i'd love to know what arch the firewall in front of that time server is |
| 14:53 | <Desph> | The following NEW packages will be installed: |
| 14:53 | <Desph> | libcap1{a} ntp |
| 14:53 | <Desph> | The following packages will be REMOVED: |
| 14:53 | <Desph> | procmail{u} sensible-mda{u} |
| 14:53 | <erikh> | and if you're hurt about costing apple money, use time.nist.gov |
| 14:53 | <erikh> | then you (well, if you live in the US) pay for it too. |
| 14:53 | <jess^> | i installed ntpd :P |
| 14:53 | <amitz> | Guspaz|m: oh, it's on ntpdate description. But ntp package has no such disclaimer so I'll use that instead. |
| 14:54 | <Peng_> | erikh: Nooo! Don't abuse stratum 1 servers! :( |
| 14:54 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 14:54 | <nard> | lol |
| 14:54 | <erikh> | Peng_: if they didn't want to be abused, they'd block me |
| 14:54 | <Peng_> | jess^: <3 |
| 14:54 | <erikh> | and I pay taxes, goddamnit. |
| 14:54 | <Desph> | So whats more idel- ntp or ntpdate |
| 14:55 | <erikh> | ntpdate is better than telling your ntpd to correct large amounts of drift |
| 14:55 | <erikh> | ntpd is better for the typical use. |
| 14:55 | <erikh> | SpaceHobo: nice. |
| 14:56 | <Guspaz|m> | Ubuntu uses time.canonical.com I believe. |
| 14:56 | <erikh> | yeah, i'll stick to the combo until I see it in action |
| 14:56 | <erikh> | it's tried and tested |
| 14:56 | * | adj is with erikh |
| 14:56 | <adj> | periodically ntpdate. use ntpd for small drift |
| 14:56 | <Guspaz|m> | o_O |
| 14:56 | <Peng_> | Guspaz|m: ntp.ubuntu.com. |
| 14:56 | <Guspaz|m> | ntpd has been tried and tested for practically forever. |
| 14:56 | <adj> | ntpd only does a max of 500 ppm drift |
| 14:57 | <amitz> | ntpdate: ntpdate is a simple NTP client that sets a system's clock to match the time obtained by communicating with one or more NTP servers. It is not sufficient, however, for maintaining an accurate clock in the long run. ntpdate by itself is useful for occasionally setting the time on machines that do not have full-time network access, such as laptops. |
| 14:57 | <Guspaz|m> | peng_: They must have upated it. |
| 14:57 | <amitz> | Guspaz|m: ^^ |
| 14:57 | <Guspaz|m> | So, yeah, even the "tried and true" solution says you shouldn't be using it :P |
| 14:57 | <jess^> | heh. |
| 14:57 | <Peng_> | adj: Not many clocks are broken enough to drift >500 PPM. |
| 14:58 | <adj> | Peng_: look at the ven/vmware bugs from a few years ago. time keeping was awful (and still rears its ungly head on vm's occasionaly) |
| 14:58 | <adj> | ugly* |
| 14:58 | <Peng_> | adj: If NTP is doing fine, there's no reason to do a "periodic" ntpdate. Hell, you have to temporarily turn off NTP to do it; that's just pointless. |
| 14:58 | <Peng_> | adj: Ah. Good point. |
| 14:58 | <amitz> | adj: periodically as in maybe once a month? |
| 14:59 | <adj> | amitz: once a week maybe. tbh, its usually sometime i do manually. i've never had it become an issue except of virtual machines |
| 14:59 | <adj> | i also am having major failures today getting what i'm thinking into words as i type ;) |
| 14:59 | <Guspaz|m> | The question is, does ntp only do a big update once when it starts, or does it do it whenever the drift is too big? |
| 14:59 | <adj> | Guspaz|m: only when it starts |
| 15:00 | <amitz> | okay, ntp then. but set it to timaanddate.com before installing |
| 15:00 | <erikh> | you pretty much can't manage a freebsd VM in virtualbox without ntpdate |
| 15:01 | <erikh> | especially if you suspend. |
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| 15:01 | <Peng_> | I doubt Apple intends for non-customers to use time.apple.com. Of course, everybody's probably bought something from Apple at some point... :P |
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| 15:01 | <quanin> | not me. :P |
| 15:02 | <erikh> | Peng_: if it really mattered, they would have used a proprietary protocol. |
| 15:02 | <erikh> | (hint: it probably doesn't) |
| 15:02 | <adj> | you could go buy a pair of gps receivers if you *really* need accurate timing |
| 15:02 | <nard> | yea, i dont think they mind as long as your not seriously abusing their servers. if anything they would block you or send an email to the people managing your servers letting them know |
| 15:02 | <laser`> | I just use pool.ntp.org tbh |
| 15:02 | * | rainman` runs some boxes with GPS antennas attached for timing |
| 15:02 | <rainman`> | fun stuff |
| 15:02 | <nard> | yea. i use pool.ntp.org |
| 15:03 | <Guspaz|m> | Does anybody have any idea why, after installing munin and munin-node, I have no graphs? (http://fixppp.org/munin/index.html) |
| 15:03 | <adj> | rainman`: sonet gear? |
| 15:03 | <rainman`> | adj, trimble antenna with converter to rs232, and custom freebsd driver |
| 15:03 | <Guspaz|m> | munin-node is running, the graphs are getting generated every 5 minutes, the symlinks to the plugins are there... |
| 15:03 | <rainman`> | adj, http://ripe.net/ttm :) |
| 15:03 | <adj> | Guspaz|m: telnet localhost 4949 and verify you can run 'list' |
| 15:03 | <adj> | then telnet from the master munin server |
| 15:04 | <adj> | then try a config service and fetch service. |
| 15:04 | <Guspaz|m> | It's just one box, it's all local. |
| 15:04 | <adj> | if that all works, you have a permissions issue on the graph dir |
| 15:04 | <nard> | heya guys, i have a question about monitoring tools, and was wondering if you have any recommendations that are free. i've used cacti before. I need to monitor mysql cluster, web servers, memcache and load balancer. so even if it cant get the data directly, if it's able to run a script and grep the results, that would be good too. |
| 15:04 | <adj> | rainman`: fun fun =) |
| 15:04 | <Guspaz|m> | I telnet local and execute "list" and it outputs a blank line. |
| 15:05 | <adj> | Guspaz|m: restart the munin-node service |
| 15:05 | <adj> | and try again |
| 15:05 | <adj> | its not loading your plugins. |
| 15:06 | <Guspaz|m> | That fixed it. |
| 15:06 | <Guspaz|m> | But, I wonder why it didn't work after install. |
| 15:06 | <Guspaz|m> | Shouldn't have to manually restart it after installing. |
| 15:06 | <adj> | nard: use munin like Guspaz|m is =) it rocks until you get over 150-200 boxes |
| 15:07 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 15:07 | <nard> | ah k cool. i'm running like 7-8 linodes atm lol |
| 15:07 | <Yaakov> | pparadis |
| 15:08 | <Yaakov> | PPARADIS |
| 15:08 | <jess^> | linode+istatd + iphone = win |
| 15:08 | <Yaakov> | jess^: I set it up and it is OK, but I didn't find it as exciting as all that. |
| 15:08 | <jess^> | i think it's neat. :D |
| 15:09 | <adj> | Guspaz|m: and i *highly* recommend setting up the linux_diskstat_ plugin |
| 15:09 | <Yaakov> | jess^: It's OK. |
| 15:09 | <adj> | because iostat is more or less useless for trending disk usage |
| 15:09 | <Yaakov> | jess^: I wish it had more functionality, but it is helpful to get an idea that everything is OK. |
| 15:10 | <Yaakov> | And the phone part is neat. |
| 15:10 | <jess^> | Yaakov: it's in active development! suggest stuff! |
| 15:10 | <Yaakov> | I mean seeing the phone stats. |
| 15:10 | <Yaakov> | WHERE IS PPARADIS |
| 15:10 | <jess^> | NOT HERE |
| 15:10 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 15:10 | <jess^> | lol |
| 15:11 | <Yaakov> | jess^: I am confident that others will suggest the things I have in mind. |
| 15:11 | <Yaakov> | HoopyCat! |
| 15:11 | <jess^> | first they came for the jews, and i did not speak up, for i was not a jew |
| 15:11 | <jess^> | etc |
| 15:11 | <Yaakov> | HOOPYCAT! |
| 15:11 | <Guspaz|m> | adj: I believe that's already included in munin-plugins-extra. |
| 15:12 | <adj> | Guspaz|m: for debian/ubuntu it is, iirc |
| 15:12 | <Yaakov> | I am a Jew, however, it has nothing to do with this app. |
| 15:12 | <jess^> | jewish people rock |
| 15:12 | <jess^> | if i end up dating one more, i'll have collected the whole set |
| 15:12 | <jess^> | --wait |
| 15:12 | <Yaakov> | Some of us do. |
| 15:12 | <Guspaz|m> | Hmm, if it's included, I don't see it, so it may not be enabled by default. |
| 15:12 | <jess^> | my current boyfriend is pagan. :s C-C-COMBO BREAKER |
| 15:12 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 15:12 | <nard> | lol |
| 15:12 | <adj> | Guspaz|m: i think its in ubuntu. check /usr/share/munin/plugins |
| 15:13 | <jess^> | i <3 this blouse. |
| 15:13 | <jess^> | it's comfortable. |
| 15:13 | <Yaakov> | My shirt isn't bad. |
| 15:13 | <Guspaz|m> | Nope, not seeing it :( |
| 15:13 | <jess^> | but i never understand why people make clothes with buttons that don't do anything |
| 15:13 | <jess^> | like they're just some sort of facade |
| 15:14 | <quanin> | they do it to piss us off. |
| 15:14 | <adj> | Guspaz|m: then i'd grab it =) if you ever grow out of your VM, you are going to want to know iops and latency numbers, not the dumb MB/s and block/sec that the default gives you |
| 15:14 | <quanin> | and because they know someone's sitting on some IRC channel wondering why. |
| 15:15 | <Guspaz|m> | Oh, I'll never outgrow it. It only has one high-traffic site, and I'm hosting that for free. |
| 15:15 | <Guspaz|m> | An ad-free high-traffic site. |
| 15:15 | <jess^> | SpaceHobo: who? |
| 15:15 | <Guspaz|m> | Anyhow, I need to grab some lunch. 'Tis after 3. |
| 15:16 | <jess^> | this weekend i think i'm going to make paella. |
| 15:17 | <Guspaz|m> | Apparently linux_diskstat was renamed diskstat_ and merged into munin's trunk. |
| 15:17 | <Guspaz|m> | So eventually we'll see it as part of the default install. |
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| 15:25 | <jess^> | oh |
| 15:25 | <jess^> | i'm a wiccan. |
| 15:28 | <Yaakov> | Also, on the lore of Steamboat Willy, the first Mickey Mouse cartoon. |
| 15:30 | <Yaakov> | STEAMBOAT WILLY |
| 15:32 | <Yaakov> | Ford wasn't a very nice man. |
| 15:32 | <Yaakov> | Not like WALT DISNEY was was a SAINT. |
| 15:33 | <spkitty> | walt disney was a bastard |
| 15:33 | <spkitty> | he fucked over his own brother too |
| 15:34 | <Peng_> | MR. ROGERS |
| 15:34 | <Yaakov> | I am not so sure about that. Hitler had members of his inner circle who authored their own oddball pagan-teutonic-aryan mythology with a Wagner soundtrack. |
| 15:34 | <Jonathan1> | I hear mother Teresa could be a bit of a premadona |
| 15:35 | <Yaakov> | spkitty: He was a SAINT. A perfect soul. |
| 15:35 | <JshWright> | Speaking of people Hitler liked, I find great irony in the fact that two pieces of music played together perhaps more than any other... Wagner's "Bridal Chorus" and Mendelssohn's "Wedding March" were written by a anti-semite, and a Jew, respectively |
| 15:42 | <adj> | http://shell.jssjr.com/vmware/rack3.jpg <-- beautiful |
| 15:43 | <Guspaz|m> | Not enough blinkenlights. |
| 15:44 | <Yaakov> | caker! |
| 15:44 | <jess^> | Alles touristen und non-technischen looken peepers! Das machinkontrol is nicht for gefengerpoken und mittengrabben. Oderwise is easy schnappen der springenverk, blowenfus, undpoppencorken mit spitzensparken. Der machine is diggen by experten only. Is nicht fur geverken by das dumpkopfen. Das rubber necken sightseenen keepen das cotton-picken hands in das pockets. So relaxen, und vatchen das blinkenlights. |
| 15:45 | <adj> | Guspaz|m: the switch sure blinks plenty |
| 15:45 | <@caker> | you rang? |
| 15:45 | <Yaakov> | caker: http://www.nutsie.com/song/Mr.%20Jaws/7160899&album_id=7160852 |
| 15:45 | * | Guspaz|m laments the startling reduction in blinkenlights in consumer-level switches. |
| 15:46 | <Guspaz|m> | I've even seen some switches go down to JUST ONE LED PER PORT. |
| 15:46 | <Guspaz|m> | Blasphemy. |
| 15:46 | <jess^> | green for link, blinken for act, orange for 10Base-T, red for fuct. |
| 15:47 | <jess^> | tri-color leds are easy to make :D |
| 15:47 | <Guspaz|m> | Not even that. |
| 15:47 | <Guspaz|m> | They just have the green for link and blinken for activity. |
| 15:48 | <Guspaz|m> | It's dispicable. |
| 15:48 | <JshWright> | Like the ProCurve's where you have to toggle through the different settings for information the LED is representing |
| 15:48 | <Yaakov> | caker: I felt that was very important. |
| 15:49 | <@caker> | thanks :) |
| 15:49 | <Yaakov> | I am always looking out for your best interest. |
| 15:50 | <Peng_> | Guspaz|m: My consumer-grade router just has that, but I've always found it nicely blinky. |
| 15:50 | <Peng_> | I guess I have nothing better to compare it to. |
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| 15:50 | <Peng_> | (To be clear, it has a pair of lights for each port.) |
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| 15:51 | <Keith-BlindUser> | !spf keithnet.us 1.2.3.4 |
| 15:51 | <linbot> | Keith-BlindUser: [spf] none: keithnet.us does not designate permitted sender hosts (spf record: ) |
| 15:51 | <Keith-BlindUser> | GRRR. |
| 15:51 | <Keith-BlindUser> | !dig keithnet.us txt |
| 15:51 | <linbot> | Keith-BlindUser: [dig] status: NOERROR | ;; ANSWER SECTION: | ;; AUTHORITY SECTION keithnet.us. 14420 IN SOA ns1.linode.com. admin.keithnet.us. 2009102632 7200 7200 1209600 14440 |
| 15:51 | <@caker> | Keith-BlindUser: you know that stuff works in private message, right? |
| 15:51 | <Keith-BlindUser> | Oh. |
| 15:51 | <@caker> | rather than spamming almost 300 people |
| 15:52 | <Guspaz|m> | !spam caker |
| 15:52 | <Guspaz|m> | :( |
| 15:52 | <SelfishMan> | !spam |
| 15:52 | <linbot> | SelfishMan: FDIC has officially named your bank a failed bank |
| 15:52 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 15:52 | <Keith-BlindUser> | LOL |
| 15:53 | <Keith-BlindUser> | caker: Sorry about that. I'll make sure that stuff gets sent in PM for now on. |
| 15:53 | <@caker> | Keith-BlindUser: cheers |
| 15:55 | <Guspaz|m> | You just need to add "/msg caker " before each command ;) |
| 15:55 | <spkitty> | hahaha |
| 15:56 | <Peng_> | Oh, that's mean. |
| 15:56 | <Guspaz|m> | Damn you, Intel. I spend $700 on a hard disk and you refuse to release firmware for it that supports TRIM. |
| 15:57 | <Peng_> | (Note: Mean in a funny way.) |
| 15:59 | <Keith-BlindUser> | caker: How did Linode get to be so amazing? It just seems to run perfectly! Well, maybe not perfectly..but still. |
| 15:59 | <Guspaz|m> | Regular virgin sacrifices. |
| 15:59 | <Jonathan1> | and how do you get those whites so white? |
| 15:59 | <Guspaz|m> | OxyCLean. |
| 16:00 | <Guspaz|m> | It makes your whites whiter, your brights brighter. |
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| 16:00 | <aquillar> | How do you get those chipotle stains out! |
| 16:01 | <Jonathan1> | I had to google, but chipotle sounds good |
| 16:01 | <Guspaz|m> | Hi, Billy Mays here for Linode. Want to put the "fun" back in "functional"? Linode has the management interface to help YOU have a great time instead of slaving away on your server! |
| 16:01 | <Jonathan1> | but wait, theres more |
| 16:02 | <Jonathan1> | free case knifes, they dont dent and they dont blunt, free, 19.95 delivery |
| 16:02 | <Guspaz|m> | Billy Mays could sell anything to anybody. |
| 16:02 | <Jonathan1> | no idea who he is :-? |
| 16:02 | <Guspaz|m> | Just pay separate handling. |
| 16:02 | <Jonathan1> | We started getting usa infomercials last year or so |
| 16:02 | <Jonathan1> | they are freaky |
| 16:02 | <Guspaz|m> | He's the most awesome pitchman in the history of everything. Also he had a Discovery channel show that completed the first season shortly before his death. |
| 16:02 | <Jonathan1> | the same thing repeated for 6 hours |
| 16:03 | <Guspaz|m> | He became such a big celebrity that they had to get a private jet because every time they tried to go to the airport he'd get mobbed for autographs. |
| 16:03 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 16:03 | <Jonathan1> | lol cool |
| 16:03 | <Guspaz|m> | http://dsc.discovery.com/tv/pitchmen/pitchmen.html |
| 16:04 | <Guspaz|m> | He was loud, always wore the same thing, very distinctive. |
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| 16:05 | <Keith-BlindUser> | Linode is really cool! |
| 16:05 | <aquillar> | http://www.videosift.com/video/South-Park-Chipotle-Away |
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| 16:06 | <Keith-BlindUser> | BTW, I wrote a review of Linode for the blind user. It can be found at: http://blog.keithnet.us |
| 16:06 | <@caker> | ok, two new kernels released, along with a new "Latest 2.6 Paravirt" pointer (for 32 and 64 bits) |
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| 16:07 | <Keith-BlindUser> | TWo new kernels? |
| 16:07 | <Keith-BlindUser> | er two |
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| 16:07 | <bd_> | caker: I seem to remember some hosts having issues with recent kernels a while back; has that been fixed? |
| 16:08 | <bd_> | eg newark126 |
| 16:08 | <@caker> | it's because of the new paravirt spinlocks implementation which some of our older hosts don't support. We decided to leave it compiled in since it's neat |
| 16:08 | <bd_> | what .config entry is that? |
| 16:08 | <@caker> | newark126 is not affected |
| 16:09 | <bd_> | hmm, I could've sworn I was having booting issues right after migrating to newark126 that required me to go back to .18 |
| 16:09 | <@caker> | CONFIG_PARAVIRT_SPINLOCKS=y |
| 16:09 | <bd_> | I suppose I'll have to give it another try one of these days |
| 16:10 | <Keith-BlindUser> | Is Dalass effected, and is it necessary to update the kernels? |
| 16:10 | * | Keith-BlindUser is on 2.6.30.whatever |
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| 16:11 | <Peng_> | Keith-BlindUser: 1.) You'll have to be more specific than "Dallas", 2.) It's 2.6.30.5. |
| 16:11 | <Peng_> | 2.6.30.5-linode20, to be specific. On 32-bit, anyway. |
| 16:11 | <Keith-BlindUser> | Yeah that's what I'm running |
| 16:11 | <Peng_> | caker: What's cool about the new kernels? |
| 16:11 | <Keith-BlindUser> | I thought that Caker just said that thre was new kernel releases though? |
| 16:12 | <Keith-BlindUser> | there |
| 16:12 | <@jed> | correct, we've released two new kernels |
| 16:12 | <@caker> | Peng_: http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_2_6_31 |
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| 16:13 | <JshWright> | jed: is this the big surprise? |
| 16:13 | <@caker> | also, for whaever reason, this kernel doesn't always report ~1.5% cpu when idle, like some old pv_ops (and host combinations) did |
| 16:13 | <@jed> | JshWright: no :^) |
| 16:13 | * | Peng_ is never idle anyway. |
| 16:14 | <Keith-BlindUser> | caker: what does the kernel do instaead? |
| 16:14 | <Peng_> | That's a long list of changes. |
| 16:14 | <Keith-BlindUser> | instead |
| 16:14 | <Peng_> | caker: If you don't mind, what new changes are interesting for Linode? |
| 16:15 | <Keith-BlindUser> | Got to run! |
| 16:15 | <Keith-BlindUser> | I'll check the logs back later, as I know that logs are generated online! |
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| 16:15 | <@caker> | Peng_: I turned off CONFIG_SYSFS_DEPRECATED_V2 is about it |
| 16:15 | <@caker> | otherwise it's just an updated kernel in all its glory |
| 16:16 | <Peng_> | Well, I'm in no hurry to leave 2.6.30.5. |
| 16:20 | <Peng_> | What does CONFIG_PARAVIRT_SPINLOCKS=y mean? |
| 16:21 | <@caker> | virtualization aware spinlocks in the guest |
| 16:21 | <Peng_> | ...Which is a good thing? |
| 16:21 | <JshWright> | yes |
| 16:22 | <bd_> | Peng_: it means the kernel yields the virtual cpu rather than spinning |
| 16:22 | <JoeK> | if i set up htaccess, it will only prompts me for the password once? (after successfully passing credentials) |
| 16:23 | <Yaakov> | No spinlocks are more aware than mine are. |
| 16:23 | <bd_> | Consider: vcpu0 and vcpu1 are assigned to the same physical CPU. vcpu0 takes a spinlock, then is preempted. vcpu1 then spins on the same lock. |
| 16:23 | <bd_> | This is wasteful; both vcpus now need to wait for vcpu1's timeslice to run out |
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| 16:24 | <Peng_> | Back in the day, I used Gentoo and compiled my own kernels. Now changing my kernel on Linode scares me. :\ |
| 16:24 | <JshWright> | Peng_: so you want everyone else on your host to upgrade as well ;) |
| 16:25 | <JshWright> | speaking of upgrading... back shortly |
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| 16:28 | <JshWright> | well, nothing caught fire yet... |
| 16:28 | <bd_> | yet |
| 16:28 | <Peng_> | JshWright: You just upgraded? |
| 16:28 | <JshWright> | bd_: I'm a firefighter... _everything_ catches fire eventually |
| 16:28 | <JshWright> | Peng_: yep |
| 16:29 | <Peng_> | JshWright: What's CONFIG_SPONTANEOUS_COMBUSTION set to? |
| 16:29 | * | SelfishMan remembers several laser printers catching on fire |
| 16:29 | <bd_> | JshWright: What, even pure nitrogen gas? |
| 16:29 | <JshWright> | Peng_: I've left it off for now |
| 16:29 | <linbot> | New news from wiki: Ccache <http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php?title=Ccache&diff=3941&oldid=prev>; || Appinfo djbdns <http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php?title=Appinfo_djbdns&diff=3940&oldid=prev>; || AppInfo ccache <http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php?title=AppInfo_ccache&diff=3939&oldid=prev>; || AppInfo: screen <http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php?title=AppInfo:_screen&diff=3938&oldid=prev>; |
| 16:29 | <Peng_> | Ehh, I don't want to reboot once a month for kernel upgrades. |
| 16:30 | <Peng_> | OTOH, I need to test that my IPv6 tunnel survives a reboot, and restart NTP. |
| 16:30 | <SelfishMan> | I also remember a chemistry teach at the high school igniting a balloon of hydrogen, then one of oxygen then finally one of acetylene |
| 16:31 | <Yaakov> | tasaro: Sure, break my heart a second time... I lose my beloved Inger and my beloved Newark1 in the same month. I weep, and cannot be consoled. |
| 16:31 | <JshWright> | SelfishMan: mix the O2 balloon with the acetylene balloon... |
| 16:31 | <jess^> | i used to do web design out of a racing garage |
| 16:31 | <SelfishMan> | JshWright: trust me, that wasn't required for the school to get a new chem lab |
| 16:31 | <jess^> | we used to drop baloons full of acetylene off the roof :D |
| 16:32 | <Peng_> | Yaakov: Inger? |
| 16:32 | <SelfishMan> | The guy was smart enough to do all of this under a fume hood but he failed to turn on the ventilation first so there was still plenty of oxygen in there |
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| 16:34 | <taylor_> | question, does your api allow you to grab bandwith usage? |
| 16:34 | <linbot> | New news from wiki: Vim Tutorial <http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php?title=Vim_Tutorial&diff=3945&oldid=prev>; || OpenVPN <http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php?title=OpenVPN&diff=3944&oldid=prev>; || Msec Howto <http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php?title=Msec_Howto&diff=3943&oldid=prev>; || CentOS <http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php?title=CentOS&diff=3942&oldid=prev>; |
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| 16:35 | <Yaakov> | Peng_: http://kovaya.com/miscellany/2007/10/i-love-my-car.html |
| 16:35 | <SelfishMan> | jess^: and what was the point of dropping balloons of acetylene off the roof? |
| 16:35 | <Peng_> | Yaakov: aww. |
| 16:35 | <jess^> | the lit cigarette at the bottom. |
| 16:35 | <jess^> | BOOM! |
| 16:36 | <Everett> | If no one has a really good answer for this one, I understand, but let me just ask it anyways. I'm used to managed VPS and I have abut 5 sites on managed. A couple of them with heavy traffic (>100,000 pv / day). I've just set up my first linode and I keep just "hanging about" my putty screen and can't seem to take the plunge... |
| 16:37 | <SelfishMan> | Really? You had that good of aim from the roof with a balloon that you could hit a burning cigarette? |
| 16:37 | <Everett> | So, my question is... well basically, is there a final checklist for when to know if your linode is in production shape. |
| 16:37 | <Everett> | I know, it's maybe a silly question but still.... |
| 16:37 | <SelfishMan> | Everett: test it. |
| 16:38 | <Everett> | I have, but there's really no easy way of "stress" testing it. at least not that I've found. |
| 16:38 | <Everett> | The thing is, I've moved from Apache to Nginx and moved to PHP on FCGI running php-fpm. Two things I haven't been running before. |
| 16:39 | <Everett> | So, while it's exciting, since the linode is really really fast, it's also a bit scary. What in the world do I do if it breaks :) |
| 16:39 | <adj> | fail back over... |
| 16:39 | <SelfishMan> | ab -n 2000 -c 50 http://urmom.com |
| 16:39 | <quanin> | fix it? |
| 16:39 | <SelfishMan> | set your ttl to <= 300 |
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| 16:40 | <Everett> | yeah, I figure I keep the "old" setup on the managed vps for a little while longer. |
| 16:41 | <adj> | turn down the ttl's, and move the sites ip's one by one |
| 16:41 | <adj> | move them back if you hit a problem |
| 16:41 | <Everett> | adj: yes, that's certainly sounds like a plan. |
| 16:43 | <Everett> | anyone else using nginx here and have good experience with it. It certainly seems stable and veeeery fast, but... well, I have no experience with it from production yet |
| 16:44 | <SelfishMan> | It really isn't the webserver itself that is slow or fast |
| 16:44 | <SelfishMan> | it is the content being served |
| 16:44 | <SelfishMan> | php is just slow |
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| 16:45 | <Everett> | SlfishMan: well, true, but there's slow and there's syrup. Moving from my managed setup which was not on XEN has been an eye opener. So relative to what I'm used to it is fast. The webserver nginx is "faster" in terms of not having to load php (mod_php) with every request. |
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| 16:46 | <Peng_> | :( |
| 16:47 | <SelfishMan> | Everett: true, but fastcgi can have some scalability liits |
| 16:47 | <SelfishMan> | limits |
| 16:47 | <Everett> | well, that's sort of what I'm afraid of.... |
| 16:50 | <tylerdu> | SelfishMan: care to elaborate (fastcgi scalability limits) |
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| 16:51 | <SelfishMan> | tylerdu: depending on the implementation you either have a hard limit for the number of fastcgi processes or you have a high risk of exhausting memory |
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| 16:52 | <tylerdu> | actually i'm using fastcgi to save the memory (and it works) ;) |
| 16:53 | <tylerdu> | imho, you don't need that many phpcgi processes, because they contend to same CPU resources, so something like 2 x #CPU's is probably enough |
| 16:54 | <Everett> | well, thanks anyways everyone. I'll be switching a site over to the linode in just a while and we'll see how it goes... |
| 16:54 | <@jed> | 1 per core, imo |
| 16:54 | <SelfishMan> | jed++ |
| 16:54 | <tylerdu> | jed: maybe 2, because if one is stuck on i/o, the other one can use that core |
| 16:54 | <tylerdu> | jed: same thing as make -j x, where x is ncpu + 1 (compiling kernel) |
| 16:54 | <SelfishMan> | it depends on the implementation for memory usage. If multiple processes can share the memory then great but it is pretty common to start a new process for every fcgi instance |
| 16:55 | <@jed> | tylerdu: another can take its place only if PHP yields |
| 16:55 | <@jed> | otherwise it sits in iowait |
| 16:55 | <tylerdu> | SelfishMan: yes, they're separate processes, my point is that there doesn;t need to be that many of them, for instance, on 4 core server, 10 is plenty |
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| 16:55 | <@jed> | if PHP executes blocking I/O that core is stuck. |
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| 16:56 | <tylerdu> | jed: the scheduler will yield the process that is stuck on i/o and give cpu to something else that can run |
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| 16:56 | <@jed> | tylerdu: not always |
| 16:56 | <Peng_> | Seriously |
| 16:56 | <Peng_> | ? |
| 16:56 | <tylerdu> | it should |
| 16:56 | <SelfishMan> | tylerdu: again, depending on implementation that can limit scalability as you can only have 10 concurrent page views |
| 16:56 | <Peng_> | Bah, Peng_ can't type today. |
| 16:57 | <SelfishMan> | runaway fastcgi processes are pretty common |
| 16:57 | <tylerdu> | SelfishMan: i agree that things get complicated if you need more concurrent accesses, but some kind of buffering probably takes place |
| 16:57 | <tylerdu> | need to investigate that further |
| 16:57 | <SelfishMan> | It comes down to knowing that your scripts are 100% fastcgi safe along with the interpreter |
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| 16:58 | <tylerdu> | fastcgi is just a way of running your .php-s, mod_php is the other one, so it just works after you set up your web server |
| 16:58 | <SelfishMan> | doing *anything* on a production site because you heard or read it was faster is a sure way to break things |
| 16:59 | <SelfishMan> | fastcgi != mod_php |
| 16:59 | <tylerdu> | fastcgi is definitely a way to SAVE on memory, while keeping the performance, i tested that and it really works |
| 16:59 | <@jed> | fastcgi is just an alternate method for the Web server to communicate with PHP, and won't save squat |
| 17:00 | <@jed> | you're observing a red herring |
| 17:00 | <tylerdu> | apache w/ mod_php eats much more memory, because even when your apache is serving favicon.ico, it is served from the process which has php linked in |
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| 17:00 | <SelfishMan> | jed: what color is a herring normally? |
| 17:00 | <spkitty> | i figured out how fastcgi saves you memory |
| 17:00 | <spkitty> | it just doesn't do anything |
| 17:00 | <SelfishMan> | !f what color is a herring? |
| 17:00 | <spkitty> | i had to go back to mod_php |
| 17:00 | <linbot> | SelfishMan: This was a triumph. I'm making a note here: HUGE SUCCESS. |
| 17:00 | <stan_theman> | salmon colored? |
| 17:01 | <tylerdu> | it saves memory because your nginx/... server all static content and dispatches only php requests to phpcgi farm |
| 17:01 | <Guspaz|m> | jed: It's not a red herring. If you have a light PHP load and only need one PHP process with fastcgi, rather than with mod_php where you're loading PHP into every Apache process? |
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| 17:01 | <Guspaz|m> | Although IIRC Apache had some mode to prevent having more than one process. |
| 17:01 | <@jed> | Guspaz|m: loading implies a lack of persistence |
| 17:01 | <SelfishMan> | tylerdu: apache without mod_php is actually quite small |
| 17:01 | <tylerdu> | SelfishMan: i know, but i can't serve php with it |
| 17:01 | <SelfishMan> | also, if you are going to compare memory footprint straight across then use MPM worker instead of prefork |
| 17:01 | <@jed> | apache processes are persistent, subject to configuration knobs, so PHP stays in memory just like with fastcgi |
| 17:01 | <Guspaz|m> | jed: Your point? One persistent copy of PHP with fastcgi versus many persistent copies with mod_php? |
| 17:02 | <@jed> | Guspaz|m: you're bottlenecking yourself running one persistent copy of PHP |
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| 17:02 | <SelfishMan> | Guspaz|m: each fastcgi process typically loads a copy of PHP so there is no gain there |
| 17:02 | <Guspaz|m> | jed: It's an example. You can scale it to your needs. |
| 17:02 | <@jed> | many persistent copies of PHP with fastcgi versus many persistent copies with mod_php? |
| 17:02 | <Guspaz|m> | If I've got Apache with twenty processes serving stuff up, that's 20 copies of PHP. What if I only need frive? |
| 17:02 | <Guspaz|m> | errm |
| 17:02 | <Guspaz|m> | Five. |
| 17:02 | <Guspaz|m> | If I needed frive, I'd be fucked. |
| 17:02 | <jess^> | YOU WANT FRIVE ORDER FLIED LICE WITH CHICKEN |
| 17:03 | <@jed> | then you're doing a whole lot more static serving than PHP, and I'd be impressed as that's now how PHP operates |
| 17:03 | <tylerdu> | jed: a few phpcgi processes vs few hundred mod_php processes is a HUGE difference |
| 17:03 | <@jed> | s/now/not/ |
| 17:03 | <tylerdu> | ...in memory usage |
| 17:03 | <@jed> | tylerdu: a few hundred? |
| 17:03 | <tylerdu> | jed: you have never be slashdotted? |
| 17:03 | <@jed> | you're administering PHP wrong if it gets that high in processes. |
| 17:03 | <@jed> | period. |
| 17:03 | <jess^> | .... |
| 17:03 | <@jed> | pardon, Apache |
| 17:03 | <jess^> | i read 'administering' as 'masturbating' out of the corner of my eye |
| 17:03 | <jess^> | and went 'wait, what the f-- oh.' |
| 17:03 | <@jed> | Apache should never, I repeat never, spawn more than 10 processes |
| 17:03 | <@jed> | queue your connections and stay alive |
| 17:03 | <tylerdu> | jed: when you finish on a high profile site, apache forks 250 processes, all with php linked in |
| 17:04 | <Guspaz|m> | Another example, Otakuthon needs both Perl and PHP. But we have far higher PHP load than perl. With Apache's module system, we'd have equal numbers of copies of both. With fastcgi, we can have more PHP processes than perl processes. |
| 17:04 | * | SelfishMan points at keepalives |
| 17:04 | <tylerdu> | jed: fastcgi solution is still 5-10 processes which handle the same load, it has been tested |
| 17:04 | <@jed> | tylerdu: I work at Linode, we have a pretty high-profile site |
| 17:04 | <@jed> | I don't know if you've heard of it :) |
| 17:04 | <tylerdu> | sure i did |
| 17:04 | <Guspaz|m> | jed: You run Cold Fusion :P |
| 17:04 | <tylerdu> | high-profile is many requests per second, do you have that? |
| 17:04 | <@jed> | Guspaz|m: you are aware ColdFusion runs on Apache, correct? |
| 17:05 | <Guspaz|m> | But it's not PHP or Perl. |
| 17:05 | <path> | and phpbb runs on coldfusion? |
| 17:05 | <tylerdu> | many complex pageviews (1 page = 1 php + 10 pics + 5 js + ...) |
| 17:05 | <SelfishMan> | So basically, what you guys are saying is that nginx proxying to apache with mod_php will have the same memory footprint as nginx proxying to fastcgi |
| 17:05 | <@jed> | Guspaz|m: http://www.linode.com/forums/ |
| 17:05 | <path> | and the mostly defunct wiki |
| 17:05 | <Guspaz|m> | jed: They're not terribly high traffic. |
| 17:05 | <tylerdu> | SelfishMan: that is correct |
| 17:05 | <@jed> | Guspaz|m: but they're PHP |
| 17:06 | <@jed> | and run on the same Apache |
| 17:06 | <Peng_> | The wiki too. |
| 17:06 | <path> | and the pastebin |
| 17:06 | <Guspaz|m> | My point is, fastcgi lets you tune the amount of memory spent on a given resource (static, PHP, perl, etc) based on demand, while Apache just loads everything into every process. |
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| 17:06 | <SelfishMan> | tylerdu: so basically, you're saying that fastcgi is no different than apache in memory usage |
| 17:06 | <Peng_> | Oh, path said the wiki already. Oops. |
| 17:06 | <path> | so did linbot |
| 17:06 | <Peng_> | :P |
| 17:06 | <tylerdu> | SelfishMan: it is, in your setup you're proxy ONLY php requests to apache behind, so it forks much less processes |
| 17:06 | * | SelfishMan glares at pparadis_ |
| 17:06 | <Guspaz|m> | We only have our reg system running on Perl while we have everything else on PHP. Clearly we need more PHP than perl. Why load Perl into every process? |
| 17:06 | <@jed> | SelfishMan: stan_theman |
| 17:07 | <stan_theman> | hey! |
| 17:07 | <SelfishMan> | jed: THE INTERN? |
| 17:07 | <tylerdu> | only Guspaz|m here understands what i understand (and have tested in practice) :( |
| 17:07 | <SelfishMan> | You game him access to the wiki?!? |
| 17:07 | <SelfishMan> | s/game/gave/ |
| 17:07 | <spkitty> | while we're speaking of apache - does anybody know why it will occasionally take *minutes* to connect to my site, but othertimes instantaneously |
| 17:07 | * | stan_theman laughs maniacally |
| 17:07 | <Guspaz|m> | jed: Even if we had 10 processes all told, I'd have 10 copies of Apache, 10 copies of PHP, and 10 copies of Perl. When in reality, assume that I have a fastcgi setup, I might have 10 copies of Apache, 10 copies of PHP, and 3 copies of perl. |
| 17:07 | <SelfishMan> | spkitty: *hint*keepalives*hint* |
| 17:08 | <Guspaz|m> | Although I use lighttpd, so I only have the one process for static content. |
| 17:08 | <Guspaz|m> | I fail to see how loading way more copies of perl than we need could possibly use the same amount of RAM. |
| 17:08 | <@jed> | Guspaz|m: what's your advantage? |
| 17:08 | <SelfishMan> | unless you are running a few very screwed up php modules you can run php with no problems under mpm worker |
| 17:08 | <SelfishMan> | which makes all this moot |
| 17:09 | <@jed> | SpaceHobo: shh, that's my hole card |
| 17:09 | <spkitty> | what should i be changing requests and timeout too then SelfishMan |
| 17:09 | <spkitty> | say for a base model linode |
| 17:09 | <Guspaz|m> | jed: Errm, my advantage is that we save memory by not having more copies of Perl that we don't need? |
| 17:09 | <@jed> | define "copy of perl" |
| 17:09 | <SelfishMan> | spkitty: KeepAlives Off |
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| 17:09 | <Guspaz|m> | jed: Does mod_perl not behave the same as mod_php and load a copy of perl and various libraries into every Apache process? |
| 17:09 | <spkitty> | oh |
| 17:09 | <spkitty> | :/ |
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| 17:10 | <tylerdu> | mod_perl is especially hungry of memory |
| 17:11 | <tylerdu> | but also very powerful |
| 17:11 | <Guspaz|m> | perl is hungry for memory in general, which is something of a problem for us, hence the need to keep the number of instances of perl under control. Our web guy is using some horrible framework that for some reason loads in practically every possible perl module. |
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| 17:11 | <SelfishMan> | tylerdu: look at the memory footprint of apache prefork with just mod_php and compare that to just mod_perl and see how your statement stands |
| 17:12 | <tylerdu> | i have both, and mod_perl equipped apache processes are MUCH bigger |
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| 17:13 | <SelfishMan> | Really? cuz I have an instance on one node using only mod_perl that uses 1.8MB and an instance on another node with only mod_php that uses 14.4MB |
| 17:13 | <Guspaz|m> | My perl processes use up ~50MB of RAM a pop, while my php processes use ~20MB a pop. All damned to that bloody framework the guy uses. |
| 17:14 | <tylerdu> | SelfishMan: that is odd, i think you can't have such a small mod_perl process |
| 17:14 | <SelfishMan> | Guspaz|m: that isn't really the fault of perl |
| 17:14 | <Guspaz|m> | Although it appears that somebody has reduced the number of PHP children to 2, and that worries me tremendously. |
| 17:14 | <SelfishMan> | !urmom |
| 17:14 | <linbot> | SelfishMan: Yo momma's so ignorant, She thinks a computer is the monitor. (758:0/2) [mrmou] |
| 17:14 | <SelfishMan> | well, !urmom is running under mod_perl with only 1.8MB in use |
| 17:14 | <tylerdu> | Guspaz|m: those 2 PHP children still can serve many requests |
| 17:14 | <SelfishMan> | seems to be working for me |
| 17:15 | <spkitty> | SelfishMan: i have maxclients set to 150 and there's no way i'm hitting that limit (probably a good thing too since i just realised that would put me heavy into swap), you really reckon i should turn keepalive off? |
| 17:15 | <tylerdu> | well, my local apache has ~ 20MB RSS, that is with both mod_php and mod_perl loaded |
| 17:15 | <@jed> | that's an absurdly high maxclients |
| 17:15 | <Guspaz|m> | tylerdu: And when phpbb2 starts racking up the simultaneous sessions? |
| 17:15 | <Guspaz|m> | Or whichever forum we use. |
| 17:16 | <tylerdu> | Guspaz|m: should work, it is technically cpu bound |
| 17:16 | <tylerdu> | when you run out of cpu power it will fail |
| 17:16 | <SelfishMan> | spkitty: turn the maxclients down too but yes, turn off kepalives |
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| 17:16 | <spkitty> | okay thanks |
| 17:16 | <Guspaz|m> | And if we're DB-bound, and two PHP processes are tied up waiting for a DB query when another request comes in for something that doesn't touch the DB? |
| 17:17 | <tylerdu> | Guspaz|m: in that case i'd suggest to increase number of processes, although i think db is much faster than php processing |
| 17:17 | <tylerdu> | especially if you use the real database like postgresql |
| 17:17 | <Guspaz|m> | We're using less than half the RAM on a 540, and our budget could support a larger linode if required, I've no idea why he decreased it from 6 to 2. |
| 17:18 | <Guspaz|m> | (he being the other admin) |
| 17:18 | <tylerdu> | typically your db, if optimized, can handle hundreds or thousands queries per second, but your favorite cms framework will be able to push only few php pages per second |
| 17:18 | <tylerdu> | Guspaz|m: on linode with 4 cpus, i'd suggest like 8 phpcgi processes |
| 17:18 | <Yaakov> | My favorite CMS network is C. |
| 17:18 | <Yaakov> | err.. framework. |
| 17:18 | <tylerdu> | each one costs about 10MB od memory, iirc, and that way you can be sure to use all available cpu cores if needed |
| 17:19 | <tylerdu> | Yaakov: good choice :) |
| 17:19 | <tylerdu> | Yaakov: do you, by any chance, have drupal rewritten in C? ;) |
| 17:19 | <Guspaz|m> | Well, we should have at least 4 children, not 2, then. |
| 17:19 | <Yaakov> | Actually it looks like we are going to stand up Plone internally. |
| 17:19 | <Guspaz|m> | Although I've never been clear, does the parent PHP process actually serve requests? |
| 17:19 | <tylerdu> | Guspaz|m: yes, technically at least 4 |
| 17:20 | <Guspaz|m> | As in, I've got one process with two children, so three processes. But the parent process never seems to use nearly as much RAM as the children, so I assume it doesn't actually handle requests? |
| 17:20 | <tylerdu> | but as i said, if one of them on one core gets stuck on i/o (very probable) the other one will at least have the chance to utilize that core |
| 17:21 | <tylerdu> | although jed thinks that is not guaranteed to work that way, i think it is, when process is stuck on i/o it is put on a wait queue, and that is an rescheduling point, because there's no use to wait for i/o which is many orders of magnitude slower than cpu |
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| 17:22 | <tylerdu> | Guspaz|m: i don't know internals, but it looks there's a dispatcher and workers, so if you start 4 php-cgi workers, you'll in fact have 5 processes, but you'll see that only 4 of them burn cpu cycles |
| 17:22 | <Guspaz|m> | Hrrm linbot is geting rather spammy with wiki updates. |
| 17:22 | <SelfishMan> | !spam |
| 17:22 | <linbot> | SelfishMan: Spam subject of the hour: you need to check your Bank Deposit Insurance Coverage |
| 17:23 | <tylerdu> | !xkcd penis |
| 17:23 | <linbot> | tylerdu: The Sierpinski Penis Game: http://xkcd.com/95/ |
| 17:23 | <tylerdu> | :P |
| 17:23 | <SelfishMan> | HOSTED BY GEOCITIES |
| 17:23 | <SelfishMan> | ?!? |
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| 17:24 | <tylerdu> | geocities is no more :) |
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| 17:25 | <SelfishMan> | I haven't been to xkcd.com in a really long time. |
| 17:25 | * | SelfishMan pets RSS |
| 17:25 | <tylerdu> | what rss reader do you use? |
| 17:25 | <Guspaz|m> | X10KCD SPY CAMERA!!!! (TESTED ON KITES) |
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| 17:26 | <Guspaz|m> | Wow, never thought I'd see "<SCRIPT LANGUAGE='SCHEME'>" |
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| 17:27 | <linbot> | New news from wiki: Bandwidth <http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php?title=Bandwidth&diff=4019&oldid=prev>; || Debian libc6 and 2.6.x kernels <http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php?title=Debian_libc6_and_2.6.x_kernels&diff=4018&oldid=prev>; || Finnix LiveCD Recovery Distribution <http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php?title=Finnix_LiveCD_Recovery_Distribution&diff=4017&oldid=prev>; || IO Tokens <http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php?title=IO_Tokens&diff |
| 17:29 | <tarpman> | Guspaz|m: does that actually work in any browsers? |
| 17:30 | <Peng_> | SelfishMan: !spam is so going to get linbot akilled someday. |
| 17:31 | <Guspaz|m> | I don't think so? |
| 17:32 | <linbot> | New news from wiki: Category:Linux Applications <http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php?title=Category:Linux_Applications&diff=4025&oldid=prev>; || Debian Sarge (must be upgraded from Woody) <http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php?title=Debian_Sarge_(must_be_upgraded_from_Woody)&diff=4024&oldid=prev> || Debian Sarge <http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php?title=Debian_Sarge&diff=4023&oldid=prev>; || Category:Stub <http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php?ti |
| 17:32 | <tylerdu> | ha ha ha |
| 17:33 | <tarpman> | huh |
| 17:33 | <Guspaz|m> | caker: Is it possible to turn off wiki updates on linbot? |
| 17:33 | <tylerdu> | linbot: turn off wiki updates |
| 17:33 | <tylerdu> | :P |
| 17:33 | <@caker> | of course it's possible, yes |
| 17:34 | <jess^> | my god |
| 17:34 | <jess^> | this customer is... argh. annoying me. |
| 17:34 | <linbot> | I'm sorry, tylerdu, but I'm afraid I can't do that. |
| 17:34 | <stan_theman> | !!! |
| 17:34 | <tylerdu> | linbot: j/k ;) |
| 17:39 | <linbot> | New news from wiki: Multiple IPs <http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php?title=Multiple_IPs&diff=4029&oldid=prev>; || Category:Troubleshooting <http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php?title=Category:Troubleshooting&diff=4028&oldid=prev>; || Category:Linode Specific <http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php?title=Category:Linode_Specific&diff=4027&oldid=prev>; || Category:Distros <http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php?title=Category:Distros&diff=4026&oldid=pr |
| 17:39 | <tarpman> | stan_theman: busy busy |
| 17:40 | <stan_theman> | mhm |
| 17:40 | <stan_theman> | Most of the pain should be over now |
| 17:40 | <Peng_> | Oh no. I like doing a backup before a kernel update, and just like last time, my crappy backup server is being horribly slow. :( |
| 17:41 | <Yaakov> | caker: Is it possible to fit 25 pounds of monkeys in to a 5-pound monkey bucket? |
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| 17:42 | <linbot> | New specials on dinner menu: 12oz prime rib for $9.95, with soup or salad, and your choice of starch and vegetable || braised salmon in a merlot reduction for $13.95, also with soup or salad and your choice of starch and vegetable || eggplant parmesan served over linguini for $11.95, with your choice of soup or salad |
| 17:42 | <Peng_> | Heh. |
| 17:42 | <Peng_> | What grade of beef is the prime rib? |
| 17:42 | <Peng_> | I've probably asked this before, but: if I want to shut down my 'node without it being rebooted, what should I do? |
| 17:42 | <Yaakov> | HALT |
| 17:43 | <stan_theman> | Peng_: Grade A, but the caveat being that I can edit it at anytime :) |
| 17:43 | <Peng_> | Well, I can press the Shutdown button in the dashboard, but I also want to twiddle a couple things inside my node before doing it. |
| 17:43 | <Peng_> | Yaakov: Lassie won't kick in? |
| 17:43 | <Yaakov> | I don't know! |
| 17:43 | <HoopyCat> | Peng_: you can do it via a linode.shutdown API call, or by ssh linode12345@city67.linode.com shutdown |
| 17:44 | <quanin> | or just ssh into lish, do what you gotta do on the node, detach and shutdown. |
| 17:44 | <Yaakov> | HoopyCat: http://www.nutsie.com/song/Mr.%20Jaws/7160899&album_id=7160852 |
| 17:45 | <HoopyCat> | Yaakov: i left my sound card in san francisco |
| 17:45 | <Yaakov> | HoopyCat: You stink on ice. |
| 17:45 | * | HoopyCat beats Yaakov around a bit with a 74HCT08 |
| 17:46 | <SelfishMan> | Peng_: quite possibly |
| 17:46 | <Peng_> | ...What's the difference between "halt" and "poweroff"? |
| 17:47 | * | Peng_ Googles! |
| 17:47 | <HoopyCat> | Peng_: in theory, halt will merely halt the system; poweroff will turn the power off before doing so. |
| 17:48 | <Peng_> | OK. What does that mean? |
| 17:49 | <SelfishMan> | HoopyCat: need some 74HCT08s? I have a few rails of them |
| 17:50 | <bd_> | Peng_: halt means the kernel goes into an infinite loop. poweroff means it goes and turns off the PSU :) |
| 17:50 | <Guspaz|m> | A sound card? People still have those? |
| 17:50 | <HoopyCat> | Peng_: on linode, there is no difference. on PC hardware running teh lunix, i believe there is no difference. on other iron, there may be a difference. |
| 17:50 | <Guspaz|m> | Soundcards became mostly pointless when everything moved to software. Only difference now is the SNR, and a lot of onboard stuff is pretty decent. |
| 17:52 | <HoopyCat> | SelfishMan: naw, i have enough for the current project. just got the mouser shipment in |
| 17:53 | <Peng_> | bd_: Halting sounds silly, then? |
| 17:53 | <Peng_> | HoopyCat: OK. |
| 17:54 | <HoopyCat> | Peng_: not if your server is the size of a small village and requires a plethora of minutes to get everything spun up, and you just want to halt the kernel for a bit so you can warm-swap a detachable jesus or something :-) |
| 17:55 | <linbot> | New news from wiki: Swappiness <http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php?title=Swappiness&diff=4031&oldid=prev>; || Traceroute <http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php?title=Traceroute&diff=4030&oldid=prev>; |
| 17:55 | <Peng_> | HoopyCat: Oh, okay. |
| 17:56 | <Peng_> | Crap! I left rsync on "Enter passphrase for key" until it died! :( |
| 17:57 | <HoopyCat> | warning: do not look directly into "Kingbright LED Super Bright" with remaining eye |
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| 18:00 | <bd_> | Peng_: Well, you have to remember, people didn't always have these fancy-shmancy 'ACPI' thingamabobbers |
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| 18:01 | <bd_> | back then there was only 'halt' and 'reboot' |
| 18:01 | <bd_> | and 'reboot' was considered a luxury! |
| 18:01 | <metap|pe> | it is now safe to turn off your computer |
| 18:01 | <bd_> | You kids these days have it easy. |
| 18:01 | <HoopyCat> | in practice, poweroff sent "Please turn the FOOVAX1 server off at your next convenience. Thanks!" to the line printer before halting |
| 18:01 | <Yaakov> | sync;sync;sync;halt |
| 18:01 | <Guspaz|m> | Good old AT. |
| 18:05 | <tarpman> | Yaakov: until recently a guy worked with me who always did three syncs before a shutdown or reboot. I never could figure out why. |
| 18:06 | <Yaakov> | tarpman: He probably started on Solaris. |
| 18:06 | <Yaakov> | Or, BDSI. |
| 18:06 | <Yaakov> | Or maybe AIX or HP-UX. |
| 18:07 | <Yaakov> | I wonder if I can get SCO to run on a 'node. |
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| 18:07 | <straterra> | I doubt it |
| 18:08 | <Yaakov> | You drive a Datsun, what would you nkow? |
| 18:08 | <Yaakov> | know/?> |
| 18:08 | <Yaakov> | knwo? |
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| 18:08 | <Yaakov> | know? |
| 18:08 | <straterra> | I don't drive a Datsun |
| 18:08 | <straterra> | You insensitive clod |
| 18:09 | <Eman> | what about a chrysler <lisp><wrist type=flick>lebaron</wrist></lisp> |
| 18:10 | <Yaakov> | straterra drives a Datsun B210, I think. |
| 18:10 | <Guspaz|m> | I PREFER THE Z |
| 18:11 | <Guspaz|m> | IT |
| 18:11 | <Guspaz|m> | IS |
| 18:11 | <Guspaz|m> | AWESOME |
| 18:11 | <Yaakov> | http://www.opb.org/programs/ofg/segments/view/1686 |
| 18:12 | <straterra> | i used to own a chrysler |
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| 18:18 | <Peng_> | Oh my god. I just did it _again_. |
| 18:19 | <Peng_> | Oh, right. It's because I always forget I have to enter the password _twice_: Once for sudo and once for ssh. |
| 18:19 | <straterra> | Use an SSH key..and set up sudo properly |
| 18:20 | <Peng_> | straterra: I do use SSH keys. sudo doesn't get along with ssh-agent and I've never fixed it. |
| 18:20 | <Peng_> | straterra: What's wrong with my sudo setup? |
| 18:20 | <straterra> | You have to enter a password |
| 18:21 | <Peng_> | What, you like passwordless sudo? |
| 18:21 | <HoopyCat> | don't turn a backup process... into a backed-up process! set it, and forget it! |
| 18:21 | <straterra> | Indeed |
| 18:24 | <straterra> | I do know I fucking hate security torx |
| 18:24 | <HoopyCat> | my backup server has a passphraseless key that is allowed to log in to the client machines for a specific command only; that command is sudo, which allows a passwordless sudo for the specific rsync command line it needs. this does mean i have to uncomment a couple lines to allow a restore to work, but that's not necessarily a bad thing |
| 18:26 | <kenichi> | i learned to drive stick on a B210 with a "super pretzel loves you" bumper sticker. |
| 18:26 | <kenichi> | just fyi |
| 18:28 | <Yaakov> | straterra: Security Torx is nothing... http://brycefastener.com/ |
| 18:28 | <Yaakov> | http://brycefastener.com/page.asp?homeID=66 |
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| 18:28 | <straterra> | I hate those |
| 18:28 | <straterra> | I don't need those |
| 18:28 | <straterra> | Our server room LOCKS |
| 18:30 | <Yaakov> | Google uses them on their appliances... http://kovaya.com/pictures/google_fastener.jpg |
| 18:30 | <straterra> | ugh |
| 18:30 | <Yaakov> | So when you want to reverse engineer one you have to get them out. |
| 18:30 | <straterra> | They need to die |
| 18:30 | <Yaakov> | http://kovaya.com/pictures/google_fastener_2.jpg |
| 18:30 | <straterra> | Dont they sell the bits to anyone? |
| 18:30 | <Yaakov> | In 10 seconds, with no wrench. |
| 18:30 | <straterra> | So..WTF is the point? |
| 18:31 | <Yaakov> | They thought it would stop me. |
| 18:31 | <Yaakov> | Probably would have stopped other people. |
| 18:31 | <stan_theman> | "Google Snatchers", starring Yaakov! |
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| 18:32 | <Yaakov> | I have defeated many varieties of fasteners. |
| 18:32 | <jess^> | hahahahaHAHAHAHHAHAHAh |
| 18:33 | <jess^> | them: "if i connect to my server from the outside and send a test message from my yahoo account to my account at $DOMAIN_WHICH_THE_BOX_HOSTS_MAIL_FOR, it gets accepted without prompting me for a username and password!" |
| 18:33 | <jess^> | them, continued: "can you please fix it so that it requires a username and password for people to send mail?" |
| 18:33 | <jess^> | me: *snrf* |
| 18:39 | <linbot> | New news from wiki: Main Page <http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page&diff=4032&oldid=prev>; |
| 18:45 | <linbot> | New news from wiki: Main Page <http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page&diff=4033&oldid=prev>; |
| 18:51 | <linbot> | New news from wiki: Main Page <http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page&diff=4035&oldid=prev>; |
| 18:51 | <straterra> | jess^: wtf |
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| 18:55 | * | mikegrb puts Yaakov on the do not sell linode appliance to list |
| 18:57 | <Yaakov> | :( |
| 18:58 | <Internat> | whats the easiest way in bash to rename all *.txt files to *.TXT |
| 18:58 | <straterra> | with a for statement |
| 18:59 | <BarkerJr> | really? I would think of using the find command |
| 19:00 | <bd_> | debian has a rename utility :) |
| 19:00 | <Internat> | sorry rename all within one folder |
| 19:00 | <bd_> | rename 's/\.txt$/.TXT/' *.txt |
| 19:00 | <Internat> | ls | xargs something? |
| 19:00 | <jess^> | straterra: the guy is upset because he can telnet to his server (say foo.com) and send an email from anywhere to himself at foo.com and the mailserver accepts it with no password |
| 19:00 | <bd_> | note: other distributions have rename utilities that do very different things |
| 19:00 | <straterra> | jess^: uhm..yes |
| 19:00 | <straterra> | Thats how email works |
| 19:01 | <jess^> | straterra: exactly |
| 19:01 | <Yaakov> | Email works?! |
| 19:01 | <Yaakov> | Who knew? |
| 19:01 | <jess^> | straterra: i'm laughing because this guy "has been in the computer industry for 20 years and has never seen an e-mail system so insecure!" |
| 19:02 | <jess^> | i seriously was laughing so hard i had to run to the bathroom so i wouldn't piss myself laughing |
| 19:02 | <BarkerJr> | who is Sschwertly? :) |
| 19:02 | <Yaakov> | jess^: I am not following thing. |
| 19:02 | <Yaakov> | Grr... |
| 19:02 | <Yaakov> | jess^: I am not following this. |
| 19:02 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 19:02 | <Internat> | pretty sure thats how email works lol |
| 19:02 | <Internat> | Yaakov, the guys complaining cause he can telnet to his mail server, and send himself an email from any address |
| 19:03 | <Yaakov> | He is spoofing the conversation? |
| 19:03 | <jess^> | and that the mailsystem accepts it without issue. |
| 19:03 | <jess^> | no, just using a from address that he has elsewhere |
| 19:03 | <Internat> | Yaakov.. no, i imagine hes sending a proper converstation |
| 19:03 | <Yaakov> | telnet hisdomain.com 25 ? |
| 19:03 | <straterra> | He wants people to have to put in a username/password to email to him? |
| 19:03 | <jess^> | apparently so |
| 19:04 | <Internat> | Yaakov. because its the recieving server for hisdomain.com it HAS to accept any email that connects to it for him. |
| 19:04 | <Yaakov> | Set up SPF and DKIM. |
| 19:04 | <Internat> | well, it could do spam, and sender/blacklist filtering, but thats beside the point |
| 19:04 | <Internat> | Yaakov: no. that would be the senders servers thing, not the receiever |
| 19:04 | <straterra> | spf is the reciever |
| 19:04 | <Yaakov> | No, it would mean that he couldn't send mail from yahoo.com as he can now. |
| 19:05 | <Yaakov> | And DKIM would confirm the headers in the email. |
| 19:05 | <Internat> | that assumes that the domain he is sending from, has spf records, and dkim |
| 19:05 | <Yaakov> | yahoo does. |
| 19:05 | <Internat> | but we never said yahoo. |
| 19:05 | <Yaakov> | < jess^> them: "if i connect to my server from the outside and send a test |
| 19:05 | <Yaakov> | message from my yahoo account to my account at $DOMAIN_WHICH_THE_BOX_HOSTS_MAIL_FOR, it |
| 19:06 | <Yaakov> | gets accepted without prompting me for a username and password!" |
| 19:06 | <Internat> | oh, i missed the part about yahoo, it had scrolled off my screen. |
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| 19:07 | <Internat> | 08:59] <jess^> straterra: the guy is upset because he can telnet to his server (say foo.com) and send an email from anywhere to himself at foo.com and the mailserver accepts it with no password |
| 19:07 | <linbot> | New news from wiki: Support ticket <http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php?title=Support_ticket&diff=4037&oldid=prev>; || Support Ticket <http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php?title=Support_Ticket&diff=4036&oldid=prev>; |
| 19:07 | <Yaakov> | < Yaakov> No, it would mean that he couldn't send mail from yahoo.com as he can now. |
| 19:07 | <Yaakov> | (I just wanted to do that too.) |
| 19:08 | <Internat> | yeah, that would mean that he couldnt send from yahoo.. it would fail.. but the rest of the domains that dont have spf or dkim would still pass fine |
| 19:08 | <Yaakov> | But he would be happy. |
| 19:08 | <Yaakov> | Unless you sowed discontent by having him check a non-spf domain. |
| 19:08 | <jess^> | i LOLed so hard |
| 19:09 | <Yaakov> | !spf yahoo.com 1.2.3.4 |
| 19:09 | <linbot> | Yaakov: [spf] none: yahoo.com does not designate permitted sender hosts (spf record: ) |
| 19:10 | <Yaakov> | Heh, yahoo doesn't use spf. |
| 19:10 | <Yaakov> | It seems. |
| 19:10 | <Yaakov> | But... they demand it, I think. |
| 19:10 | <Yaakov> | Doesn't seem right. |
| 19:10 | <Yaakov> | !dig yahoo.com TXT |
| 19:10 | <linbot> | Yaakov: [dig] status: NOERROR | ;; ANSWER SECTION: | ;; AUTHORITY SECTION yahoo.com. 521 IN SOA ns1.yahoo.com. hostmaster.yahoo-inc.com. 2009102613 3600 300 1814400 600 |
| 19:10 | <Yaakov> | !dig yahoo.com MX |
| 19:11 | <linbot> | Yaakov: [dig] status: NOERROR | ;; ANSWER SECTION: yahoo.com. 7053 IN MX 1 g.mx.mail.yahoo.com. | ;; AUTHORITY SECTION yahoo.com. 163192 IN NS ns2.yahoo.com. yahoo.com. 163192 IN NS ns8.yahoo.com. yahoo.com. 163192 IN NS ns4.yahoo.com. yahoo.com. 163192 IN NS ns6.yahoo.com. yahoo.com. 163192 IN NS ns3.yahoo.com. yahoo.com. 163192 IN NS ns5.yahoo.com. yahoo.com. 163192 IN NS ns1.yahoo.com. |
| 19:11 | <Yaakov> | Oh well. |
| 19:13 | <chemosh> | Hi. I have a directory thats 183MB. When rsync-ing it to my linode its 198MB. Without any changes to the source, increment dirs with --link-dest become 15MB. Any idea where the extra 15MB comes from? Locally it works fine and the increments dirs are only a few KB. |
| 19:14 | <Jonathan1> | chemosh: Just a wild guess, but block size of the fs differs? |
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| 19:14 | <jonny5> | Welcome jonny5 |
| 19:15 | <Yaakov> | A little solipsistic... |
| 19:15 | <Peng_> | jonny5 refers to himself in the third person? |
| 19:15 | <Jonathan1> | or it was a command |
| 19:16 | <jonny5> | You will welcome me! |
| 19:16 | <Peng_> | Ohh. |
| 19:17 | <jess^> | KNEEL BEFORE ZOD |
| 19:18 | <Jonathan1> | hah |
| 19:18 | <jonny5> | Kernel before Lord Zod |
| 19:20 | <Thorgrimr> | Oh, okay... Is it installable via apt on there? |
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| 19:21 | <chemosh> | Johanthan1: its 4k @ linode, HFS+ should be aswell |
| 19:22 | <Jonathan1> | chemosh: My only other wild guess would involve mythical beings, no idea |
| 19:24 | <chemosh> | k. Cheers :) |
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| 19:26 | <jess^> | bun burger lettuce onion tomato salt pepper + + + + + + eat |
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| 19:30 | <jonny5> | ketchup mustard |
| 19:32 | <jonny5> | Anyone got Windows 7 yet? |
| 19:32 | <bob2> | lots o people |
| 19:32 | <bob2> | since the rc was freely available for months |
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| 19:47 | <linbot> | New news from wiki: Main Page <http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page&diff=4039&oldid=prev>; |
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| 19:50 | <HoopyCat> | *puts the spanner down* alrighty, does http://hennepin.hoopycat.com/munin/hoopycat.com/arrogant-bastard-dehumid_hoopydehumid-day.png properly redirect properly and load properly? |
| 19:51 | <jonny5> | fullness? |
| 19:51 | <BarkerJr> | yes |
| 19:52 | <HoopyCat> | hooray, dynamic munin graph generation without breaking existing links. got a regexp right on the first try, nice. |
| 19:53 | <Peng_> | I want to see it 12% full. :P |
| 19:53 | <linbot> | New news from wiki: Main Page <http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page&diff=4041&oldid=prev>; |
| 19:53 | <Peng_> | 120!! |
| 19:54 | <HoopyCat> | Peng_: if it goes over the top capacitor, it's a short, so the charging timer locks up |
| 19:54 | <Peng_> | That's no fun. |
| 19:55 | <Peng_> | HoopyCat: Do you have nagios running in case that happens? :D |
| 19:55 | <HoopyCat> | Peng_: no, i just notice that the LED that lights during the discharge cycle stops flashing :-) |
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| 20:01 | <Pryon> | HoopyCat: do you have any way of muninizing local relatie humidity? |
| 20:01 | <Pryon> | relative |
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| 20:02 | <Pryon> | I see the purchase of a weather station in your immediate future |
| 20:02 | <HoopyCat> | Pryon: with the right module, sure |
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| 20:08 | <BarkerJr> | there's a 360 on fremont! |
| 20:08 | <BarkerJr> | for those who have been waiting |
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| 20:25 | <SelfishMan> | BarkerJr: old news. fremont doesn't have shortage problems all that much anymore |
| 20:25 | <Peng_> | !avail-he |
| 20:25 | <linbot> | Peng_: Fremont360 - 1, Fremont540 - 26, Fremont720 - 8, Fremont1080 - 6, Fremont1440 - 5, Fremont2880 - 1, Fremont5760 - 1, Fremont8640 - 1, Fremont11520 - 1, Fremont14400 - 1 |
| 20:25 | <Peng_> | It's rather short now. |
| 20:25 | <Peng_> | !avail-tx |
| 20:25 | <linbot> | Peng_: Dallas360 - 59, Dallas540 - 35, Dallas720 - 22, Dallas1080 - 18, Dallas1440 - 13, Dallas2880 - 2, Dallas5760 - 1, Dallas8640 - 1, Dallas11520 - 1, Dallas14400 - 1 |
| 20:25 | <Peng_> | !avail-nj |
| 20:25 | <linbot> | Peng_: Newark360 - 22, Newark540 - 28, Newark720 - 24, Newark1080 - 7, Newark1440 - 5, Newark2880 - 3, Newark5760 - 2, Newark8640 - 1, Newark11520 - 1, Newark14400 - 1 |
| 20:25 | <Peng_> | !avail-ga |
| 20:25 | <linbot> | Peng_: Atlanta360 - 38, Atlanta540 - 26, Atlanta720 - 19, Atlanta1080 - 23, Atlanta1440 - 17, Atlanta2880 - 2, Atlanta5760 - 1, Atlanta8640 - 1, Atlanta11520 - 1, Atlanta14400 - 1 |
| 20:26 | <Peng_> | Sorry. :P |
| 20:26 | <bd_> | !avail-all |
| 20:26 | <linbot> | bd_: Availability (all): Atlanta360-38 Atlanta540-26 Atlanta720-19 Atlanta1080-23 Atlanta1440-17 Atlanta2880-1; Dallas360-59 Dallas540-35 Dallas720-22 Dallas1080-18 Dallas1440-14 Dallas2880-1; Fremont360-1 Fremont540-26 Fremont720-8 Fremont1080-6 Fremont1440-5 Fremont2880-1; Newark360-22 Newark540-28 Newark720-24 Newark1080-7 Newark1440-5 Newark2880-2; (1.02314) urmom says hi |
| 20:26 | * | SelfishMan slaps the fsck ou of Peng_ |
| 20:26 | <SelfishMan> | !spam |
| 20:26 | <linbot> | SelfishMan: Spam subject of the hour: you need to check your Bank Deposit Insurance Coverage |
| 20:27 | <bd_> | !ham |
| 20:27 | <linbot> | bd_: (ham <US zip code | US/Canada city, state | Foreign city, country>) -- Returns the approximate weather conditions for a given city. |
| 20:27 | <bd_> | !ham 01003 |
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| 20:27 | <bd_> | ... |
| 20:27 | <chemosh> | Johathan1: If I tarball the remote dir and compare it locally, its the same size. Seems you're right. Weird. |
| 20:27 | <bd_> | No such location? |
| 20:27 | <bd_> | I AM LOST |
| 20:28 | <Trystan> | poor thing |
| 20:28 | <SelfishMan> | bd_: YOU FAIL |
| 20:28 | <SelfishMan> | !f weather absecon new jersey |
| 20:28 | <linbot> | SelfishMan: temperature | 50 deg F (wind chill: 48 deg F); conditions | clear; relative humidity | 87% (dew point: 46 deg F); wind speed | 6 mph; (35 minutes ago) |
| 20:28 | <bd_> | !newercalc 01003 |
| 20:28 | <SelfishMan> | \o/ |
| 20:28 | <linbot> | bd_: 1 thousand and 3 |
| 20:28 | <bd_> | !newercalc 01003 zip code |
| 20:28 | <linbot> | bd_: location | Amherst,Massachusetts,United States; county | Hampshire County, Massachusetts |
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| 20:28 | <SelfishMan> | !f weather 01003 |
| 20:28 | <linbot> | SelfishMan: All your base are belong to us |
| 20:29 | <bd_> | !fail |
| 20:29 | <linbot> | http://www.pacdudegames.com/fail/ <-- push it. now. |
| 20:33 | <Peng_> | Can SSH tell me which line in known_hosts corresponds to a specific server? |
| 20:34 | <SelfishMan> | nope |
| 20:34 | <Peng_> | It tells me when it thinks the server is a fraud. |
| 20:34 | <ericoc> | it says what line number in the error usually? |
| 20:34 | <Peng_> | ericoc: Yes. This is not an error condition. I just want to know the line. |
| 20:34 | <Peng_> | (I want to copy it to another machine.) |
| 20:35 | <bd_> | Peng_: There's an option to disable host masking - but it won't affect lines entered prior to enabling it |
| 20:35 | <ericoc> | i'd love to know too tbh |
| 20:35 | <Peng_> | Is it just me, or does OpenSSH go out of its way to make it difficult to verify hosts? |
| 20:36 | <Peng_> | I'm asking cuz I want to copy one line of known_hosts from one machine to another, but I don't know which line it is and don't really want to try them one at a time. |
| 20:36 | <bd_> | ssh-keygen -l -f /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key.pub |
| 20:36 | <bd_> | ^^^ |
| 20:36 | <bd_> | also |
| 20:36 | <bd_> | at ssh -v, it'll show something like: |
| 20:36 | <bd_> | debug1: Host 'fushizen.net' is known and matches the RSA host key. |
| 20:36 | <bd_> | debug1: Found key in /home/bd/.ssh/known_hosts:2 |
| 20:36 | <Peng_> | Ooh, good suggestion. |
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| 20:37 | <Peng_> | bd_: Thanks a lot. The ssh-keygen thing was something I had been wanting to know too. |
| 20:37 | <bd_> | Also, disable HashKnownHosts in your .ssh/config to have them in plaintext from now on |
| 20:37 | <bd_> | note that the default on is set by debian, not by openssh :) |
| 20:38 | <ericoc> | default on Arch as well i guess |
| 20:38 | <Peng_> | bd_: <333 |
| 20:38 | <bd_> | the idea, I believe, is to slow down worms that use /home/*/.ssh/known_hosts to find targets for ssh bruteforcing |
| 20:38 | <Peng_> | I'll leave HashKnownHosts on, though. It doesn't bother me much. |
| 20:39 | <Peng_> | As long as I can work around it when I need to. |
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| 20:49 | <jess^> | argh |
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| 21:38 | * | caker waves goodbye to GeoCities |
| 21:38 | <@caker> | http://geocities.yahoo.com/ :) |
| 21:41 | <HoopyCat> | [IMG][IMG] UNDER DESTRUCTION [IMG] |
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| 21:49 | <MJCS> | http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/technology/2009/10/geocities-closing.html bye bye |
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| 21:55 | <@jed> | http://spartans.fandome.com/video/116176/Gary-Brolsma-Numa-Numa-Guy-Conducts-MSU-Marching-Band-Halftime-Show/ |
| 21:57 | <OverlordQ> | hahah |
| 21:57 | <OverlordQ> | but I agree with the first comment "I wonder how many people actually got that" |
| 21:59 | <X-LP> | they dont say what is offered with their $5/mo webhosting |
| 21:59 | <X-LP> | -.- |
| 21:59 | <X-LP> | ok yeah they do |
| 21:59 | <KingTarquin> | I keep getting loads of "internal dummy connection" messages in my apache log |
| 21:59 | <@jed> | KingTarquin: normal |
| 22:00 | <KingTarquin> | I never used to get them on my other webserver (cant remember the version of apache it used) |
| 22:07 | <X-LP> | caker |
| 22:07 | <X-LP> | http://www.xkcd.com/654/ |
| 22:07 | <X-LP> | geocities tribute! |
| 22:09 | <@caker> | <SCRIPT LANGUAGE="QBASIC">IF $BROWSER = "IE" THEN GOTO 50</SCRIPT> |
| 22:10 | <@caker> | <HTML WEB="2.0"> |
| 22:10 | <@caker> | haha |
| 22:10 | <X-LP> | hehe |
| 22:11 | <straterra> | does that...work? |
| 22:11 | <X-LP> | at the bottom it says its best viewed with netscape navigator |
| 22:11 | <ajmitch> | caker: you missed the lisp |
| 22:11 | <ericoc> | he should have linked the w3 validator button |
| 22:11 | <@caker> | aahhh, scheme |
| 22:11 | <metap|pe> | navigator gold, i hope |
| 22:11 | <straterra> | navigator gold was awesome |
| 22:12 | <metap|pe> | it was gold. and not navigator 4 |
| 22:13 | <@jed> | netscape was the best browser ver |
| 22:13 | <@jed> | true story |
| 22:14 | <@jed> | navigator...4.61 or so, was the golden age |
| 22:14 | <ericoc> | Best viewed in Netscape Navigator 4.7 or better at 800x480 |
| 22:14 | <ericoc> | 800x480?! |
| 22:15 | <ajmitch> | must be for a mobile device :) |
| 22:18 | * | X-LP likes the broken link to pictures icon |
| 22:18 | <@jed> | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:NetscapeDisks.jpg |
| 22:18 | <@jed> | nostalgia. |
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| 22:19 | <metap|pe> | for those that could not do the ftp |
| 22:19 | <Keith-BlindUser> | So the new Linode kernels don't show a particular percent of the CPU when idle? Why is that. |
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| 22:21 | <sketchyd> | hi all |
| 22:21 | <@mikegrb> | roflz |
| 22:21 | <MJCS> | rofl on the numa numa |
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| 22:24 | <tomg> | hi. how do you setup multicast? |
| 22:24 | <sketchyd_> | hi, hopefully easy question - i set up a few virtual hosts, and i want to verify that they are working correctly before i move the domains over |
| 22:24 | <sketchyd_> | for other sites, ive been able to hit the ip directly, but that doesnt seem to be working here |
| 22:25 | <sketchyd_> | what am i missing |
| 22:25 | <sketchyd_> | when i hit my ip, i get a message that says "it works" and thats it |
| 22:25 | <Trystan> | well the IP isnt a virtual domain |
| 22:25 | <jess^> | you need a third level domain you can test with |
| 22:25 | <jess^> | or something like that :D |
| 22:26 | <metap|pe> | "it works" is the default page |
| 22:26 | <Trystan> | sketchyd: you could set your hosts file to say that the domain exists on that IP |
| 22:26 | <Trystan> | thus, skipping the DNS step and letting you test |
| 22:26 | <jess^> | or that |
| 22:26 | <sketchyd_> | trystan - that sounds nice |
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| 22:27 | <metap|pe> | we could have told him to renuberate his glue records and gotten the same result |
| 22:27 | <sketchyd_> | i followed the setup instructions on the library, but i didnt like the step about configuring virtual hosts... |
| 22:28 | <metap|pe> | what didn't you like about it? |
| 22:29 | <sketchyd_> | it doesnt explain anything, it just tells you what to type |
| 22:29 | <tomg> | need to do multicast on ubuntu 8.04. is there a howto forum post or article? any direction = : ) |
| 22:31 | <sketchyd_> | trystan - how do i set that up? |
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| 22:32 | <Trystan> | sketchyd_: what operating system are you using? |
| 22:32 | <sketchyd_> | debian |
| 22:33 | <Trystan> | on your local machine? |
| 22:33 | <sketchyd_> | on my local i have windows vista |
| 22:33 | <Trystan> | k |
| 22:33 | <Trystan> | and the easier method, before I suggest this one |
| 22:33 | <sketchyd_> | im all set up w/ ssh, sftp, mysql, etc |
| 22:33 | <Trystan> | is the server running DNS that points that domain (just not yet in use) |
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| 22:33 | <Trystan> | cos if so you could just change your DNS settings to be the server |
| 22:34 | <Trystan> | if not, |
| 22:34 | <sketchyd_> | what do you mean? |
| 22:35 | <Trystan> | in system32\drivers\etc\ there should be a 'hosts' file |
| 22:35 | <Trystan> | open it with notepad |
| 22:35 | <Trystan> | and add a line |
| 22:35 | <metap|pe> | notepad %systemroot%\system32\drivers\etc\hosts |
| 22:35 | <sketchyd_> | id rather not edit my local |
| 22:35 | <sketchyd_> | that seems busted |
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| 22:35 | <Trystan> | it is busted, its purposfully busting it just so you can test |
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| 22:36 | <sketchyd_> | wouldnt it be better to have the site properly hosted on the server before i flip the domain? |
| 22:36 | <Trystan> | this isnt flipping the domain |
| 22:36 | <Trystan> | other people will access it as normal |
| 22:36 | <sketchyd_> | i know its not |
| 22:36 | <sketchyd_> | i want to set up my new server as if it was on a domain |
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| 22:36 | <metap|pe> | you're just faking out your machine so your browser sends the virtual domain info to the server |
| 22:36 | <sketchyd_> | yeah, i get that |
| 22:36 | <sketchyd_> | i dont want to do that |
| 22:37 | <metap|pe> | when done, remove entries from hosts |
| 22:37 | <Trystan> | i'm not sure what you are after then |
| 22:37 | <metap|pe> | flip dns |
| 22:37 | <metap|pe> | profit!!!111 |
| 22:37 | <sketchyd_> | theres no way i can hit <my ip>/<my website> |
| 22:37 | <Trystan> | no |
| 22:37 | <sketchyd_> | and then later, point the domain name at that folder |
| 22:37 | <sketchyd_> | seriously? |
| 22:37 | <Trystan> | not to test a virtual host |
| 22:37 | <sketchyd_> | ive done it with every other webhost ive had |
| 22:37 | <metap|pe> | that would not test the virtual host |
| 22:38 | <sketchyd_> | why not? |
| 22:38 | <Trystan> | you can configure it so you access the site but it doesnt ensure anything other than your code is correct |
| 22:38 | <Trystan> | because a virtual host relies on the domain name |
| 22:38 | <sketchyd_> | thats what i want to ensure - that my code and my database is restored properly |
| 22:38 | <Trystan> | that information is passed to the server, which then looks at your config and determines which site to give you |
| 22:38 | <metap|pe> | you could cut/paste the apropos apache confige entries into the default config under an alias |
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| 22:39 | <maladmin1> | hey all, am i live? |
| 22:39 | <Trystan> | sketchyd_: the host method would allow you to test it is restored properly while at the same time testing the virtual host as well |
| 22:39 | <Trystan> | no |
| 22:39 | <sketchyd_> | im not understanding the virtual host thing |
| 22:39 | <maladmin1> | seems so, i just tried installing a new apache server but can't get ssl working correctly |
| 22:39 | <Trystan> | ok |
| 22:39 | <Trystan> | basically |
| 22:39 | <maladmin1> | nothing useful in the log files.. |
| 22:40 | <Trystan> | whenever you try and access your website your computer does a lookup of where the site is hosted, say.. 1.1.1.1 |
| 22:40 | <maladmin1> | sketchyd_: are you talking apache virtual hosts? |
| 22:40 | <sketchyd_> | ok, trystan |
| 22:40 | <Trystan> | what hosts does, is tell the computer that it doesnt need to look at the DNS entry and tells it just to go to 1.2.2.2 |
| 22:40 | <metap|pe> | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_hosting |
| 22:40 | <Trystan> | therefore you could test it, (not effecting your website or anything else) then remove the entry once you are happy and change the actual DNS entry |
| 22:41 | <sketchyd_> | ok - so at that point it would hit my linode |
| 22:41 | <Trystan> | yep, it would tell it just to go to the test site while the current one stays live |
| 22:41 | <Trystan> | then once you change the DNS |
| 22:41 | <sketchyd_> | right now, if i skip the first step, and simply type in 1.2.2.2, id just get that "it works" message |
| 22:41 | <Trystan> | it would change the linode to be the live site |
| 22:41 | <sketchyd_> | thats why im confused |
| 22:41 | <Trystan> | yea |
| 22:41 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 22:41 | <maladmin1> | lol i just spent the afternoon doing exacly that |
| 22:41 | <sketchyd_> | how do i do that? |
| 22:42 | <sketchyd_> | how do i get rid of that, i mean |
| 22:42 | <maladmin1> | sketchyd_: you need to change the index.html in /var/www/ |
| 22:42 | <Trystan> | you could set the default home of your apache config to be where the files for your website are stored (the same place you told the virtual host) |
| 22:42 | <Trystan> | it would be reffered to as web root iirc |
| 22:42 | <maladmin1> | hmm get the feeling i'm halfway through a help here |
| 22:42 | <Trystan> | been a while since i fucked with apache |
| 22:43 | <metap|pe> | with virtual hosts, the ip address isn't important. just the fqdn |
| 22:43 | <maladmin1> | ip has to get the correct server |
| 22:43 | <sketchyd_> | to set this up, i followed: http://library.linode.com/lamp-guides/debian-5-lenny/ |
| 22:43 | <maladmin1> | what u trying to do sketchyd_ |
| 22:44 | <Trystan> | test his website/virtual hosts |
| 22:44 | <sketchyd_> | thanks tryst |
| 22:45 | <maladmin1> | got a website setup already or starting from blank? |
| 22:45 | <sketchyd_> | im porting a website from another host |
| 22:45 | <sketchyd_> | ive copied all the files, restored the db |
| 22:45 | <maladmin1> | gallery website |
| 22:45 | <maladmin1> | ? |
| 22:45 | <sketchyd_> | and i want to verify that it works before i move the domain |
| 22:45 | <maladmin1> | checked the permissions? |
| 22:45 | <sketchyd_> | dude, no |
| 22:46 | <sketchyd_> | it shows simply "it works" |
| 22:46 | <sketchyd_> | its not pointing to the right place |
| 22:46 | <maladmin1> | setup a file in sites-available?> |
| 22:46 | <metap|pe> | yes, it is pointing to the right place IF you configured it as a virtual host |
| 22:47 | <Trystan> | sketchyd_: I will put it to you another way |
| 22:47 | <Trystan> | you have one IP, and x number of sites |
| 22:47 | <maladmin1> | edit sites-avilable/default -- change DocumentRoot to point to the new folder |
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| 22:47 | <Trystan> | not all of them can be accessed by accessing the IP, so virtual hosts are used |
| 22:47 | <Trystan> | they rely on the domain name to direct the user to the right place |
| 22:47 | <sketchyd_> | trystan - pm? |
| 22:47 | <Trystan> | sure |
| 22:50 | <metap|pe> | some horsies just won't drink the coolaid |
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| 22:50 | <Trystan> | why not! |
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| 22:58 | <tomg> | Does anyone know if multicast between linodes is possible? |
| 22:58 | <maladmin1> | any hel with mod_ssl |
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| 23:02 | <bob2> | maladmin1: you need to ask a question first... |
| 23:02 | <bob2> | maladmin1: which guide did you follow? |
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| 23:02 | <maladmin1> | hmm.. all of them? |
| 23:02 | <maladmin1> | it really doesnt look hard |
| 23:03 | <bob2> | oh, sorry, I thought you were trying to set up ssl with your apache server |
| 23:03 | <maladmin1> | hey yup i am |
| 23:03 | <maladmin1> | installed and enabled mod_ssl |
| 23:03 | <bob2> | and then did what |
| 23:03 | <maladmin1> | created the certificate (also pointed to snakeoil) |
| 23:04 | <maladmin1> | i have default-ssl enabled |
| 23:04 | <maladmin1> | i think... checking |
| 23:05 | <SelfishMan> | tomg: multicast had best be killed on the network |
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| 23:07 | <robot> | hello peeoples |
| 23:07 | <maladmin1> | heh thx bob2, talking about it helps |
| 23:07 | <robot> | oops |
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| 23:07 | <nachtkriecher> | anyone here done any firefox development? |
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| 23:20 | <nachtkriecher> | anyone here does firefox development? |
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| 23:33 | <Hxm> | Are there any known performance issues going on now? |
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| 23:34 | -!- | robot is now known as nacht |
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| 23:44 | <amitz> | Im gonna kill that moron who set his/her router without to any channel without consideration to my channel. |
| 23:44 | <zwit> | how's awake here? |
| 23:44 | <zwit> | who's* |
| 23:44 | <amitz> | I wish I can contact the owner somehow... |
| 23:45 | <zwit> | anyone know if recently deleted linodes are recoverable somehow? |
| 23:45 | <straterra> | if youre fast enough.. |
| 23:45 | <straterra> | but not guaranteed |
| 23:45 | <zwit> | recently deleted disk images/config profiles to be precise.. |
| 23:46 | <@tasaro> | zwit: is your account still active? |
| 23:48 | <@tasaro> | who's awake here? |
| 23:48 | <straterra> | I a, |
| 23:48 | <straterra> | am |
| 23:48 | <@tasaro> | was a joke ^ |
| 23:48 | <nacht> | oh people |
| 23:49 | <nacht> | so why is it so difficult to make tabs (the character) a different size? |
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| 23:49 | <Eman> | sometimes they are 4 spaces, others they are 8 spaces |
| 23:50 | <nacht> | in firefox |
| 23:50 | <bob2> | why do you have tabs in things firefox is displaying |
| 23:50 | <bob2> | amitz: change yours |
| 23:50 | <nacht> | all kinds of reasons |
| 23:50 | <nacht> | no, 8 sucks |
| 23:50 | <nacht> | oh, to amitz, not to me |
| 23:51 | <nacht> | i have code that gets displayed as text/plain |
| 23:51 | <zwit> | tasaro: yeah just opened a ticket |
| 23:51 | <nacht> | also i have textareas that edit code |
| 23:52 | <zwit> | hopefully it gets read soon enough |
| 23:52 | <nacht> | and they contain tabs |
| 23:54 | <nacht> | nobody here knows either? |
| 23:54 | <Eman> | amitz: set all your stuff to japan and use channel 14 |
| 23:55 | <@tasaro> | zwit: taking a look |
| 23:57 | <zwit> | rad |
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| --- | Log | closed Tue Oct 27 00:00:51 2009 |
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