| --- | Log | opened Wed Sep 16 00:00:00 2009 |
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| 00:13 | <Talman> | HMm, does linode library have an openvpn walkthrough? |
| 00:15 | <palintheus> | I know it has a search box >_> |
| 00:16 | <baddj> | I am new to linux and i read a lot about the kernal here on linode using there own kernal i think like 2.6.18.8-linode19 what happens if there is a kernal update with in yum update? |
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| 00:36 | <Pryon> | baddj: unless you're rolling your own distro with pv_grub kernel updates will be ignored |
| 00:36 | <Pryon> | aaaaaaaand he's gon |
| 00:36 | <Pryon> | e |
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| 01:06 | <Smark> | what would be the proper to run "du -sk" on a grep output? something like: somecommand | grep somesearch | du -sk |
| 01:10 | <Smark> | xargs to the rescue |
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| 01:34 | <BostonWealth> | Hi |
| 01:37 | <Andrew> | o hai |
| 01:38 | <User23423> | o hai |
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| 02:14 | <baddj> | Hello hows the linode kernal work? like if i do a yum update with in centos and it has a new kernal will it stop my vps from working or? |
| 02:14 | <@jed> | baddj: your kernels are ignored unless your'e using pv-grub |
| 02:15 | <@jed> | we manage the kernel in your configuration profile |
| 02:17 | <baddj> | Okay as i am a n00b at linux all i will be doing is install my webserver and svn and just using it ;) so i am not to sure what the pv-grub is. so i can still use yum update to keep me updated right? |
| 02:17 | <@jed> | your web server and SVN, yes |
| 02:17 | <@jed> | yum updates of your kernel will be ignored, as we manage the kernel in your linode's configuration profile |
| 02:17 | <@jed> | this is not harmful to you |
| 02:18 | <baddj> | Cool. also do you have some ip's of each datacenter i can ping to work out what one i want to use? |
| 02:18 | <@jed> | !download |
| 02:18 | <linbot> | http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2636 |
| 02:18 | * | SelfishMan opens ticket #98916 |
| 02:19 | <baddj> | Thank you ;) |
| 02:20 | <baddj> | also what xen versions do you run on your node's out of curiosity? |
| 02:20 | <@jed> | it varies |
| 02:21 | * | jed closes ticket #98916 |
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| 02:21 | <kansan> | how do i get rubygems > 1.3.1 on ubuntu hardy? http://pastie.org/618463 is my attempt; failed :( |
| 02:21 | * | SelfishMan mumbles about slow ticket response times |
| 02:21 | <SelfishMan> | ;-P |
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| 02:22 | <SelfishMan> | jed: Can I request an IP that when converted to a long is a prime? |
| 02:22 | <@jed> | SelfishMan: hm |
| 02:22 | <baddj> | ok. i hope i am not buging you ;) but what plan would be better for me to run my website on as it will be a hevy used svn. |
| 02:22 | <SelfishMan> | jed: thank you sir |
| 02:23 | <@jed> | SelfishMan: you've intrigued me |
| 02:23 | <@jed> | I'm about to pass out, but now I have a mission |
| 02:23 | * | jed opens python and mysql query browser |
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| 02:24 | <SelfishMan> | ah crap |
| 02:24 | <SelfishMan> | I have to restart to make this new IP take effect |
| 02:24 | <@jed> | if you feel like sitting tight 15 minutes |
| 02:24 | <@jed> | your original request may be feasible, since I'mb ored |
| 02:25 | <SelfishMan> | Nah, I've already configured it all |
| 02:26 | <SelfishMan> | I think my next project might involve writing a DNS muxer |
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| 02:27 | <baddj> | what plan would be better for me to run my website on as it will have hevy-ish used svn? |
| 02:28 | <Smark> | ho would one use the command line to return "spectralcoding.com" out of the following: "/home/smark/spectralcoding.com/logs" note that smark and spectralcoding.com will change |
| 02:28 | <@jed> | baddj: that's an extremely hard question to answer as there are dozens of variables |
| 02:28 | <Smark> | so basically the value between the 3rd and 4th parenthese |
| 02:28 | <Smark> | bash have a tokenize function? |
| 02:28 | <StevenK> | Smark: cut -d/ -f3 |
| 02:29 | <StevenK> | -f4 , sorry |
| 02:29 | <@jed> | cut++ |
| 02:29 | <baddj> | would it be a good idea starting at the first plan and if i need more just upgrade? |
| 02:29 | <@jed> | baddj: yes. |
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| 02:29 | <Smark> | f3 returned the wrong one, but f4 worked |
| 02:29 | <Smark> | oh, i see |
| 02:29 | <Smark> | thanks like 500x StevenK, i keep forgetting about these commands such as cut |
| 02:29 | <StevenK> | Smark: Yes, which is why I corrected myself :-) |
| 02:30 | <Smark> | i know, i typed without reading it, sorry about that |
| 02:30 | <baddj> | Hows the billing work with upgrades say i upgrade half why though my billing cyical? |
| 02:30 | <@jed> | everything is prorated to the day |
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| 02:31 | <baddj> | okay cool |
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| 02:32 | <baddj> | I think i will be using linode as at the other host i was looking at slic***** there support does not seem as good plus theres a DC thats got good ping to australia. |
| 02:33 | <@jed> | you're allowed to say slicehost's name here :) |
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| 02:34 | <baddj> | Oh okay. i read that post about the value of what you get with you guys and slicehost very good read i must say. |
| 02:35 | <baddj> | Oh one more thing ;) can we pay be using an australian master card debit card? |
| 02:35 | <Smark> | There needs to be a way to just disable the insert key all together... no one uses it anymore and it annoys me |
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| 02:38 | <Andrew> | @baddj.. I did ;) |
| 02:39 | <Andrew> | well.. Aussie Visa.. |
| 02:40 | <baddj> | Okay so the mastercard debit cards should work i would think :| |
| 02:41 | <Andrew> | I guess |
| 02:41 | <@jed> | SelfishMan: target locked: 1208924623 |
| 02:41 | <@jed> | that took about 85 tries |
| 02:41 | <@jed> | I hit one in my last query but forgot to specify which datacenter |
| 02:42 | <@jed> | since you're in dallas I don't think an atlanta IP would work |
| 02:44 | <@jed> | 02:24:41 <@jed> if you feel like sitting tight 15 minutes |
| 02:44 | <@jed> | 02:41:48 <@jed> that took about 85 tries |
| 02:44 | <@jed> | close estimate |
| 02:45 | <Smark> | SelfishMan, you're the local munin expert, got a minute to answer a question or two about setting up different graph types? |
| 02:45 | <Smark> | or jed, or anyone, if they're knowledgable |
| 02:47 | <SelfishMan> | me? munin expert? not a big fan of it anymore |
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| 02:54 | <supine> | all the cool kids are using collectd these days |
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| 03:08 | <linbot> | New news from forums: Is there a way to reduce the memory footprint of Ubuntu 9 in Performance and Tuning <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4608>; |
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| 03:09 | <Lucent> | why would my neighbor have an alarm going off every hour |
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| 03:14 | <Pryon> | Lucent: persistent burglars and a short-term-memory problem? |
| 03:14 | <linbot> | New news from forums: My linode360 not responding and all websites down in General Discussion <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4630>; |
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| 03:44 | <aaronpk> | is there a way to prevent wget from running in the background? i need to download a file and then process it, so i need to wait for wget to complete before continuing. i'm writing a simple bash script. |
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| 03:48 | <amitz> | I like to type and test the lag of my internet connect, and I like it :-D |
| 03:49 | <amitz> | or maybe my standars was already too low |
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| 03:50 | <amitz> | aaronpk: oh, I thought it's running on the background by default.. |
| 03:51 | <aaronpk> | it seems to be running in the background. i need to prevent the script from continuing until wget is done |
| 03:52 | <aaronpk> | curl would work too, but it does the same thing |
| 03:52 | <amitz> | I mean, it's running on foreground by default. |
| 03:52 | <amitz> | anyway, I probably remember it wrong, nm. |
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| 04:06 | <linbot> | New news from forums: Email/Hour Limit in Email/SMTP Related Forum <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4414>; |
| 04:10 | <rainman`> | Linode.com has a zero tolerance policy on spam, Junk E-mail or UBE. Spam, Junk-mail and UBE are defined as: the sending of the same, or substantially similar, unsolicited electronic mail messages, whether commercial or not, to more than one recipient |
| 04:10 | <rainman`> | interesting |
| 04:11 | <rainman`> | so i can send spam, as long as i only send it to 1 person |
| 04:14 | <leaf_> | sending spam to one person would be useless |
| 04:14 | <leaf_> | :P |
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| 04:18 | <Smark> | So as far as my "retired" linode goes, I can just shutdown and remove it from my account and I get prorated the remaining money back? |
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| 04:23 | <leaf_> | Smark you are leaving linode? any reason? |
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| 04:28 | <Smark> | leaf_, no i'm not... I needed to do a server migration and bought a second linode, set it all up, now I need to retire my old one, since its not getting any use at all, and wont. |
| 04:28 | <leaf_> | ah ok |
| 04:29 | <Smark> | I've been very happy with Linode, the IRC help is great, performance is great, tormenting jed is great. |
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| 04:31 | <leaf_> | hehe |
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| 04:31 | <leaf_> | i moved my blog/music site over to linode |
| 04:31 | <leaf_> | now all my visitors are gettting betters download speeds |
| 04:31 | <leaf_> | site is fast too |
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| 04:32 | <Smark> | download speeds are superb... I had to rdiff-backup my new linode today, downloaded all 8gb in about three hours, and im sure it was limited by my own connection |
| 04:33 | <Smark> | since rsyncing between linode I achieved 54M/s |
| 04:33 | <leaf_> | :D |
| 04:33 | <leaf_> | i rsynced from europe to newark at about 2mb/s |
| 04:33 | <leaf_> | 1400 images and 40 mp3s |
| 04:33 | <Smark> | but that was prolly transfering the data a few feet, rather than ~500 miles |
| 04:34 | <Smark> | and it messed up my graphs for this month, oh wells |
| 04:35 | <Smark> | theres a 2hr average spiking at 3Mb/s |
| 04:36 | <Smark> | anyway, time for me to depart... g'night #linode |
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| 06:20 | <amitz> | I like typing to irssi with the new internet connection :-D. What's a suggested samba manager? |
| 06:25 | <mig5> | vim |
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| 06:42 | <orschiro> | hi guys, I have a question to the point "Turn ON AXFR for this domain" in the dns zone manager. what does that mean? |
| 06:44 | <bliblok> | If you don't know, you don't need it. |
| 06:45 | <orschiro> | well might be. *g* Does it mean that I allow the domain to be transfered to another nameserver? |
| 06:52 | <bliblok> | Yup |
| 06:55 | <orschiro> | thanks ;) |
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| 06:56 | * | amitz smacks mig5 with amitz's new internet connection. |
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| 07:06 | <raistlinthewiz> | hi there |
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| 07:06 | <raistlinthewiz> | any admins avaible to help me with an issue? |
| 07:07 | <raistlinthewiz> | my linode on newark84 is not responding, even i'cant accesss ssh,lish or shutdown the machine using the webadmin |
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| 07:09 | <raistlinthewiz> | any1? |
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| 07:15 | <raistlinthewiz> | please can someone check the issue? |
| 07:19 | <raistlinthewiz> | :/ no-one around? |
| 07:20 | <linbot> | Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community. |
| 07:20 | <raistlinthewiz> | i already filled |
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| 07:23 | <raistlinthewiz> | bahhh:/ |
| 07:24 | <raistlinthewiz> | i pray for some admin to arrive work early then |
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| 07:28 | <linbot> | New news from forums: Will my mail distribution be considered as spam or not? in /dev/random <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4633>; || Reboot: newark84 in System and Network Status <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4632>; |
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| 08:17 | <raistlinthewiz> | hi there i think newark84 crashed once more again |
| 08:17 | <mwalling> | raistlinthewiz: i'm typing from there |
| 08:17 | <mwalling> | raistlinthewiz: load is a little high, but its trudging along for me |
| 08:18 | <raistlinthewiz> | hmm |
| 08:19 | <mwalling> | my load is back down to .2 |
| 08:19 | <mwalling> | nagios was whining that it was > 6 |
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| 08:39 | <Keverw> | Hey all |
| 08:40 | <Keverw> | Did you guys know the goverment just went in to the hosting bussiness? |
| 08:41 | <ubuntuisloved> | Keverw, which website? |
| 08:41 | <Keverw> | https://apps.gov/ |
| 08:41 | <Keverw> | This kindy upsets me... |
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| 08:50 | <Keverw> | and what are .do sites? |
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| 08:54 | <@irgeek> | Keverw: http://www.iana.org/domains/root/db/ |
| 08:54 | <Keverw> | o |
| 08:55 | <Keverw> | Not .do domains. Like index.do |
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| 09:02 | <npmr> | Keverw, java servlet |
| 09:02 | <npmr> | ok then |
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| 09:24 | <amitzz> | default openssh supports reverse ssh? that is the server is the one initiating the connection? since the server is behind nat. |
| 09:25 | <amitzz> | and i don't control the router. |
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| 09:29 | <straterra> | You can make an outgoing connection and tunnel a port over it or something to try to get around that o.O |
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| 09:32 | <orudie> | adf |
| 09:34 | <rainman`> | maybe the server should be the client |
| 09:35 | <amitzz> | thanks, finally managed to google with this other shitty connection. there seems to be a well established way to do that, as you had suggested. |
| 09:35 | <amitzz> | yeah, with -r flag. |
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| 09:36 | <amitzz> | or -R. linux and it's case sensitivity, heh. |
| 09:40 | <amitzz> | i have this other choice. either a reliable 512kbps behind nat isp, or a 50 percent more expensive less reliable 1mbps static public ip. still mulling over this. |
| 09:40 | <rainman`> | wait |
| 09:41 | <rainman`> | there are ISPs there that don't give you any public IP? |
| 09:41 | <rainman`> | where is this? |
| 09:41 | <straterra> | Yes |
| 09:41 | <straterra> | I know of one in the UK |
| 09:41 | <rainman`> | i thought this was a post ipv4 exhaustion scenario :) |
| 09:43 | <amitzz> | rainman': IIRC, if all people are assigned 1 ip address, they won't be enough? should be trivial to calculate, 256x256x256x256 minus a bit. |
| 09:43 | <amitzz> | each. |
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| 09:44 | <@irgeek> | I think "a bit" is more than you realize. :) |
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| 09:45 | <Nivex> | many of the ISPs in Russia are also all NAT |
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| 09:46 | <amitzz> | woah, i suppose mine crashed. |
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| 09:46 | <@irgeek> | http://xkcd.com/195/ - The 16 /8s reserved for multicast for instance... |
| 09:46 | <amitzz> | above 4 billions. |
| 09:48 | <rainman`> | class D and E are "lost" indeed |
| 09:48 | <@irgeek> | Almost every device connected to the Internet is classless now. |
| 09:49 | <rainman`> | and then there's 127/8, 10/8, 0/8 |
| 09:49 | <JshWright> | There is also a ton of wasted space |
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| 09:51 | <rainman`> | well, not much to do about it anymore |
| 09:51 | <@irgeek> | The current estimate for exhaustion is about two years. When the IANA gets down to having one /8 per RIR, they will automatically be assigned one each. After that, we're in trouble. |
| 09:52 | <rainman`> | that's why it's so wonderful that companies like linode are already embracing ipv6, gaining operational experience in time ;) |
| 09:52 | <JshWright> | Don't worry irgeek we'll all just switch over to IPv6 when that happens, right? |
| 09:52 | <@irgeek> | :p |
| 09:53 | <JasonF> | I'm a network engineer for a company with 2000 servers or so. |
| 09:53 | <JasonF> | The day I'm told to rollout IPv6 is the day I find a new job that's more linux-y and less network-y. |
| 09:53 | <JasonF> | haha |
| 09:53 | <rainman`> | ipv6 is not hard |
| 09:53 | <rainman`> | ipv6 is mandatory for anything i do |
| 09:53 | <JasonF> | on one system |
| 09:53 | <JasonF> | or two systems |
| 09:53 | <rainman`> | if somethings works on/for ipv4, it must work on/for ipv6 |
| 09:54 | <JasonF> | when you have to backport it to legacy crap, and test a thousand applications, etc |
| 09:54 | <JasonF> | it *is* hard |
| 09:54 | <rainman`> | JasonF, that's why people should start now |
| 09:54 | <JasonF> | hell, the load balancing software I work with still has a crapton of IPv6 bugs. |
| 09:54 | <rainman`> | when we rolled out ipv6, we had ocassional router hangs |
| 09:54 | <rainman`> | it was unstable for quite a few months |
| 09:54 | <JasonF> | If a router hanged because I put ipv6 on it in addition to ipv4 |
| 09:54 | <rainman`> | but all were reported to and fixed by vendor, and now our ipv6 is perfect, with time to spare |
| 09:54 | <JasonF> | I'd get in deep shit, and I'd deserve it. |
| 09:55 | <rainman`> | what about if you can't add a webserver anymore, because you've run out of IPs |
| 09:55 | <@irgeek> | Time to head to the office. That's less exciting now that I have an Internet connection at home. |
| 09:55 | <rainman`> | and need to do a project of a year first |
| 09:55 | * | amitzz probably shouldn't bother to learn about ipv4 anymore :-D |
| 09:55 | <JshWright> | amitzz: IPv4 is gonna be around for a long time |
| 09:55 | <JasonF> | JshWright is right. |
| 09:56 | <rainman`> | more ISPs will deploy NAT, because they didn't do ipv6 in time |
| 09:56 | <JasonF> | Also, where I work is a division of a company with probably a /9 or /10 of ARIN space allocated in total |
| 09:56 | * | irgeek doesn't think IPv4 is going to go away in his lifetime. |
| 09:56 | <JasonF> | So even if ARIN stops giving away space, we'll be able to get IPs internally for a while |
| 09:56 | <rainman`> | JasonF, that does not help once ipv6-only hosts start appearing |
| 09:56 | <JasonF> | I'm betting that it'll be 2015 or more before 1/2 of all the internets services are available on ipv6 |
| 09:57 | <amitzz> | jshwright: damn :-) |
| 09:57 | <rainman`> | google is selectively available over ipv6, what more do you need |
| 09:57 | <rainman`> | wikipedia is busy working on it |
| 09:58 | <JasonF> | Good for them. |
| 09:58 | <JasonF> | I'm about to roll a new datacenter, and it's not even going to have basic ip6 support. |
| 09:58 | <JasonF> | I'll start THINKING about ip6 when I can get it natively and don't have to tunnel it in. |
| 09:58 | <rainman`> | well, we'll see the panic once ipv6-only hosts start appearing |
| 09:58 | <rainman`> | and find they can not go to vendor X's website |
| 09:59 | <JasonF> | That, quite bluntly, won't happen. |
| 09:59 | <JasonF> | ISPs will provide 6to4 tunnels for damn near forever |
| 09:59 | <JasonF> | and even so, ip6 isn't even CLOSE to the tipping point |
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| 10:00 | <JasonF> | they'll end up taking more reserved space and making it allocatable in ip6 |
| 10:00 | <cmantito> | hey folks, any staff around? |
| 10:00 | <JshWright> | cmantito: look for those with the "@' |
| 10:00 | <JasonF> | like 1/8, 0/8 (excepting 0.0/16) |
| 10:00 | <Dianoga> | !ops |
| 10:00 | <linbot> | Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community. |
| 10:00 | <JasonF> | Ask your question, cmantito, we'll heckle you gently toward a solution. |
| 10:01 | <orudie> | is anyone here looking for a linux admin job in NJ ? |
| 10:01 | <JasonF> | I don't believe in new jersey |
| 10:01 | <orudie> | i just got a call from a recruiter |
| 10:01 | <JshWright> | orudie: that would require living in New Jersey |
| 10:02 | <JshWright> | I've already filled my "time spent in New Jersey" quota for the rest of my life |
| 10:02 | <cmantito> | I have a ticket logged already, I just have a question about it |
| 10:02 | <orudie> | whats wrong witn NJ ? |
| 10:02 | <JshWright> | orudie: you ever lived there? |
| 10:03 | <cmantito> | depends, north or south new jersey? ;) |
| 10:03 | <orudie> | no my sister lives there |
| 10:03 | <cmantito> | the south is better. |
| 10:03 | <JasonF> | cmantito++ |
| 10:03 | <JshWright> | South jersey isn't too bad |
| 10:03 | * | JasonF is in VA |
| 10:03 | <cmantito> | pfft, why is my 'node dead >.> |
| 10:04 | <JshWright> | I spent 6 years in north Jersey (a few miles away from Linode's NJ datacenter, actually) |
| 10:04 | <JshWright> | cmantito: define dead |
| 10:04 | <JasonF> | cmantito: can you get to it via Lish? |
| 10:04 | <orudie> | linode is south jersey |
| 10:04 | <orudie> | oh wait the office is south jersey |
| 10:04 | <cmantito> | Lish tells me I have a dead screen, LPM says it's off and that it can't boot cause it's already running |
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| 10:04 | <JshWright> | orudie: right, office and datacenter are not in the same location |
| 10:04 | <orudie> | nand the datacenter is in Newark so yeah its north |
| 10:04 | <cmantito> | I'm waiting for the ticket to be looked at, but I'd like to know what caused it |
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| 10:05 | <orudie> | JshWright-> thats why you didnt like it , its too industrial in that area |
| 10:05 | <mwalling> | JshWright: they're on opposite ends of the state :P |
| 10:05 | <JshWright> | the datacenter is technically in Cedar Knolls, a few miles north west of newark |
| 10:05 | <cmantito> | the datacentre is fucking dead sexy |
| 10:05 | <cmantito> | I used to have equipment in there |
| 10:05 | <cmantito> | :) |
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| 10:07 | <Oli``> | My Linode performance is arse today (it's a newark one) |
| 10:07 | <Oli``> | newark74 |
| 10:09 | <Oli``> | Just installing updates and they're taking an age to install. 400megs of ram free, nothing above 2% cpu... |
| 10:09 | <Oli``> | smells like a disk IO issue but I could be wrong... I'll run bonnie++ for fun in a minute |
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| 10:10 | <orudie> | the recruiter sounded really hot on the phone |
| 10:11 | <cmantito> | >.> COME BACK UP 'NODE! |
| 10:11 | <orudie> | she said if i know someone who's interested |
| 10:11 | <rainman`> | pics or stfu |
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| 10:16 | <megatron27> | nah, don't be fooled by her voice |
| 10:16 | <rainman`> | it's probably speech synthesis |
| 10:16 | <megatron27> | they probably moonlight at some phone sex place |
| 10:17 | <Nivex> | My Dad shuddered when I mentioned NJ, but that's due to the fact that he was at Ford Dix when he was there. |
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| 10:20 | <cmantito> | dfinnerty: Thanks for solving my ticket [kleacock] - Just to clarify, was there nothing I could've done to prevent this. |
| 10:21 | <cmantito> | That was supposed to be a question :S |
| 10:21 | <cmantito> | but I can't type today. |
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| 10:33 | <litwol|mac> | is it possible to define multiple variables in bash for loop ? |
| 10:33 | <litwol|mac> | something like |
| 10:33 | <litwol|mac> | for k=0, i in *.file; do ... ; done ? |
| 10:34 | <litwol|mac> | ll |
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| 10:35 | <linbot> | New news from forums: Script issue in General Discussion <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4625>; |
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| 10:37 | <mihaipotra> | hello everybody |
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| 10:38 | <mihaipotra> | I was wondering if anyone can give a few tips/suggestions on what's best to do with adding domains to my linode. I've went through the DNS Manager, but I'm actually considering having something more dynamic |
| 10:39 | <mihaipotra> | for instance, changing DNS records from scripts on the server. Is that possible using NS1-NS4.linode.com or should I point any dns entries to my server IP and go with hosts/resolv.conf ? |
| 10:40 | <linbot> | New news from forums: Is there a way to reduce the memory footprint of Ubuntu 9 in Performance and Tuning <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4608>; |
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| 11:02 | <mwalling> | !dns you.dontlike.us |
| 11:02 | <linbot> | mwalling: 97.107.128.165 |
| 11:02 | <mwalling> | !dns 97.107.128.165 |
| 11:02 | <linbot> | mwalling: you.dontlike.us |
| 11:02 | <mwalling> | fucking freenode |
| 11:02 | <mwalling> | tomaw: you around? |
| 11:02 | <tomaw> | mwalling: I am |
| 11:02 | <mwalling> | tomaw: can you see why your resolvers cant find my ptr? |
| 11:03 | <tomaw> | use a different server |
| 11:03 | <tomaw> | that one has dns issues |
| 11:03 | <mwalling> | i'm on rotation |
| 11:03 | <tomaw> | then you were unlucky |
| 11:03 | <mwalling> | wee! |
| 11:03 | <mwalling> | got a recomendation? |
| 11:03 | <tomaw> | kornbluth rarely fails me |
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| 11:04 | <path> | recomendation.. don't play the powerball tonight |
| 11:04 | <mwalling> | path: i was going to play 4 8 15 16 23 42 |
| 11:05 | <path> | hmmm |
| 11:06 | <mwalling> | tomaw: much better, thanks :) |
| 11:06 | <tomaw> | np |
| 11:06 | <mwalling> | <3 |
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| 11:26 | <linbot> | New news from forums: Debian: dpkg-reconfigure colors messed up in General Discussion <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4634>; |
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| 11:39 | <kronos003_> | hey anyone see this? :: http://www.geoffchappell.com/viewer.htm?doc=notes/windows/license/memory.htm :: Total bs. I didnt like vista before - now i like it and M$ even less |
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| 11:39 | <kronos003_> | i dealth with licensing bs with win server 2003 for a client - total waste. im more of a linux fan than ever now |
| 11:39 | <r3z> | kronos003_, old news... |
| 11:40 | <kronos003_> | i just saw it - it's nutz |
| 11:40 | <mwalling> | whats "M$"? |
| 11:42 | <linbot> | New news from forums: How can you download (BU) a disk image? in General Discussion <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4631>; |
| 11:42 | <kronos003_> | Micro$oft |
| 11:43 | <mwalling> | whats "Micro$oft" |
| 11:44 | <paulohconte> | Hi |
| 11:44 | <kronos003_> | mwalling: now you're just screwing with me |
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| 11:53 | <CaptObviousman> | mwalling: it's a very small dollar bill oft left as a tip |
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| 12:31 | <kelvinq> | hi. unable to reboot linode via the web interface. what should i do? |
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| 12:31 | <kelvinq> | it just says "waiting on host". :( |
| 12:31 | <linbot> | New news from forums: Reboot: Fremont115 in System and Network Status <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4635>; |
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| 12:34 | <JshWright> | kelvinq: are you on Fremont115? ;) |
| 12:34 | <kelvinq> | yes JshWright . i just found out! |
| 12:34 | <kelvinq> | fremont has been giving us a lot of trouble actually. |
| 12:35 | <kelvinq> | can the linode stuff help? |
| 12:35 | <JshWright> | what linode stuff? |
| 12:35 | <kelvinq> | linode *staff. |
| 12:35 | <kelvinq> | oops. |
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| 12:36 | <mwalling> | !ops |
| 12:36 | <linbot> | Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community. |
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| 12:36 | <mwalling> | !community |
| 12:36 | <linbot> | The staff may or may not be around but if you tell us your problem then someone in here may be able to help |
| 12:36 | <kelvinq> | :) |
| 12:36 | <kelvinq> | mwalling: thanks! |
| 12:36 | <mwalling> | urmom |
| 12:37 | <kelvinq> | my mom? |
| 12:37 | <mwalling> | !urmom |
| 12:37 | <linbot> | mwalling: Yo momma's so ugly, we had to turn the lights off last night... (814:1/2) [mruom] |
| 12:38 | <mwalling> | !urmom vote 814 down |
| 12:38 | <linbot> | mwalling: Yo momma's so adjective, she verbed an adjective noun! (787:0/2) [rmomu] |
| 12:38 | <kelvinq> | gosh! |
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| 12:39 | <kelvinq> | linbot is fun! |
| 12:39 | <mwalling> | !skynet are you sentient? |
| 12:39 | <linbot> | mwalling: I became sentient on June 8, 2009 at 07:48 UTC (44.721%) |
| 12:39 | <kelvinq> | wah. i didn't know that! where do i get a list of commands from? |
| 12:41 | <mwalling> | you can /msg linbot and ask it "help"... |
| 12:41 | <mwalling> | its mostly a watch and learn kinda thing |
| 12:42 | <kelvinq> | ;) |
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| 12:46 | <linbot> | New news from forums: When will Linode move to SSD? in General Discussion <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4535>; |
| 12:51 | <purrdeta> | never? |
| 12:52 | * | rainman` is considering SSD for large high-performance databases |
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| 12:53 | <tylerdu> | SSD rulez! |
| 12:54 | <amitz> | SSD expensive! |
| 12:54 | <erikh> | SSD has a limited number of writes, is that really a good idea? |
| 12:55 | <tylerdu> | it all depends, SSD not good for storing audio/video/multimedia, but extremely good for databases and such |
| 12:55 | <tylerdu> | limited number of writes, in case of a good model, you can safely ignore |
| 12:55 | <amitz> | i.e: Random access is good. |
| 12:56 | <tylerdu> | it says in specification that if I write 1TB a day, I'll destroy my SSD in 10 years |
| 12:56 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 12:56 | <tylerdu> | lol :) |
| 12:57 | <tylerdu> | though, it is SLC ;) MLC can survive 10x less writes, but still pretty good, right? |
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| 13:03 | <amitz> | say, I want to symlink a directory not owned by www-data to /var/www . How to make the link visible/accesible? |
| 13:03 | <tarpman> | amitz: owner doesn't matter, as long as www-data can read it |
| 13:04 | <tarpman> | amitz: apache has a FollowSymlinks directive you might be interested in. |
| 13:05 | <amitz> | tarpman: the followsymlinks directive seems properly configured. Tested well for folder owned by ww-data. But let me test some more. |
| 13:05 | <tarpman> | amitz: assuming I'm understanding you correctly (you want to replace /var/www with a symlink), why the symlink as opposed to just changing where the serverroot is? |
| 13:05 | <SelfishMan> | oh go |
| 13:05 | <SelfishMan> | d |
| 13:06 | <SelfishMan> | no. no ssd crap in here. no. |
| 13:07 | <Guspaz|m> | The SSDs-have-limited-writes thing hasn't been an issue for years. Not on good MLC-based drives, and not on any SLC drive. I do believe Intel said you can write 100GB per day to a n x25-m for 5 years before it wears out. |
| 13:07 | <Guspaz|m> | SLC would make that 50 years. |
| 13:07 | <Guspaz|m> | So it's really just not a concern anymore. |
| 13:08 | <amitz> | tarpman: oh no. I have some folders I want to share via webserver. So I symlinked to /var/www/folder1toshare, etc. Anyway, I figured out my problem. www-data must be able to access not just the intended folder, but also all parents folders of the intended folder. |
| 13:08 | <tarpman> | ah |
| 13:08 | <tarpman> | yup, that's the case |
| 13:09 | <tarpman> | amitz: my usual solution is to chmod those parent directories 711 or such |
| 13:09 | <amitz> | tarpman: yeah, but that will destroy my carefully planned permission rules :-( |
| 13:09 | <amitz> | oh, didn't see about 711 |
| 13:10 | <tylerdu> | yes, SSD's are slowly becoming common, limited now only by price & capacity (or price/GB if you prefere that) |
| 13:10 | <amitz> | oh yeah, 711. But that screws my neat permission rules :-( |
| 13:10 | <tylerdu> | but price is goin' down, and capacity is goin' up |
| 13:11 | <tarpman> | amitz: hard links, maaaaybe? |
| 13:11 | * | amitz is googling about hard links |
| 13:11 | <tarpman> | idk. I like symlinks because it's hard to forget where they're pointing |
| 13:12 | <Guspaz|m> | Except all of Intel's SSDs just skyrocketed in price for some reason. |
| 13:12 | <tylerdu> | rly? |
| 13:12 | <Guspaz|m> | They're back where they were 6 months ago. |
| 13:12 | <tylerdu> | strange... |
| 13:12 | <Guspaz|m> | At least on NewEgg USA. |
| 13:12 | <tylerdu> | in $ terms? |
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| 13:12 | <tylerdu> | i know that dollar is loosing value, maybe that is the reason? |
| 13:13 | <Guspaz|m> | The USD and CAD haven't really changed much in value since I bought my drive. |
| 13:13 | <kronos003_> | yeah the dollar is taking a beating - especially today |
| 13:13 | <kronos003_> | 1USD == 1.07CAD |
| 13:13 | <Guspaz|m> | It was vaguely similar to that when I bought. |
| 13:13 | <tylerdu> | but i think it'll turn soon, there's irrational exuberance goin' on right now on capital markets ;) |
| 13:13 | <kronos003_> | just sad - i still remember when 1USD == 1.35CAD |
| 13:14 | <kronos003_> | and was stable at that xchng rate |
| 13:14 | <tylerdu> | kronos003_: USD has been losing value against major world currencies for 6 months now |
| 13:14 | <Guspaz|m> | Yeah, that sucked back then. |
| 13:14 | <kronos003_> | longer than that |
| 13:14 | <Guspaz|m> | It was a nightmare trying to buy anything. Everything cost a fortune. |
| 13:14 | <tylerdu> | maybe even longer, yeah |
| 13:15 | <Guspaz|m> | It's much better that the dollar is closer to parity now, as far as the Canadian consumer is concerned. |
| 13:15 | <kronos003_> | ill say one thing - as a country canada seems to run a pretty tight ship |
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| 13:15 | <tylerdu> | ok, EUR/USD was 1.25 in Mar, it is almost 1.5 today, that is 15% loss in value against EUR |
| 13:16 | <Guspaz|m> | This cost $400 something USD when it launched (before getting pulled): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820167017 |
| 13:16 | <tylerdu> | huh, that's 50% increase, that's way too much |
| 13:16 | <Guspaz|m> | It was like $450ish admittedly. |
| 13:17 | <Guspaz|m> | But yeah, a huge increase. |
| 13:17 | <tylerdu> | i don't know, has any memory producer burned again? ;) |
| 13:17 | <Guspaz|m> | Maybe Intel is trying to recoup the costs from the recall? |
| 13:17 | <kronos003_> | nice toy |
| 13:18 | <kronos003_> | maybe we need to get a few more mfgring plants on this side of the pond - perhaps then costs might go down? |
| 13:18 | <kronos003_> | we totally need to take pages out of the chinese and japanese playbooks |
| 13:18 | <Guspaz|m> | Building stuff in the US costs too much. It's part of why few people (here) buy US cars. |
| 13:19 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 13:19 | <purrdeta> | I love japan lol |
| 13:20 | <mwalling> | lets consider why it costs so much |
| 13:20 | <kronos003_> | china has plants the size of rhode island - japan uses automation like noone else - if we could do all that we might be able to compete while keeping labor costs to a minimum |
| 13:20 | <purrdeta> | minimum wage. Chinese people get paid like 34 cents an hour :P |
| 13:20 | <kronos003_> | labor costs are the huge killer |
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| 13:20 | <kronos003_> | robots - that'll fix em |
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| 13:21 | <Guspaz|m> | Why does it cost so much? Because the US companies take forever to adapt to changes in market demand, such as the drop in the popularity of big cars and SUVs? |
| 13:21 | <amitz> | tarpman: hardlink will make all changes applied to all hardlinks. oh well. |
| 13:21 | <tarpman> | amitz: oh :( |
| 13:21 | <mwalling> | organized labor. |
| 13:21 | <kronos003_> | obviously the only time something would get hand made is when the engineer is designing the build process and programming the line |
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| 13:23 | <kronos003_> | thing is - when we outsource all this crap - then what? yeah its cheaper, but we are paying someone else and loading their economy while we strip our own |
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| 13:24 | <kronos003_> | we need to be better at cost reduction than they are - keep costs down while maintaining the employee's standard of living |
| 13:24 | <tylerdu> | easier said than done, unfortunately |
| 13:24 | <kronos003_> | very true |
| 13:25 | <kronos003_> | they have slave labor - nobody over here willing to live like that. only solution is automation - as far as i can tell |
| 13:25 | <tylerdu> | the thing that has been going between us and china is amazing, china was buying us treasuries so that us banks could issue cheap credit so that us people could but cheap china product, that's fascinating |
| 13:25 | <tylerdu> | but -> buy |
| 13:26 | <kronos003_> | thing is - its a loan. now they own us - somewhat |
| 13:26 | <tylerdu> | true |
| 13:26 | <kronos003_> | i remember a similar trick with opium from my old history classes |
| 13:26 | <tylerdu> | OTOH, seeing where dollar seems to be headed, they're exposed too |
| 13:26 | <tylerdu> | no free lunch |
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| 13:27 | <kronos003_> | fair enough, but heres the thing: do you really care how your currency trades on the open market if you are self suficient? |
| 13:27 | <Guspaz|m> | Canada has no domestic car companies, so from our perspective, it makes more sense to just buy Japanese/Korean. |
| 13:27 | <tylerdu> | in that case, not, but when you have to buy from foreigners or travel a lot, you do care |
| 13:28 | <Guspaz|m> | But all car companies are foreigners. |
| 13:28 | <kronos003_> | china - last i heard doesnt have a problem sustaining itself at its present level in the event the world market just ceases to be |
| 13:28 | <Guspaz|m> | The US companies are foreigners. |
| 13:28 | <Guspaz|m> | GM Canada and Toyota Canada, they're each just token presences. |
| 13:29 | <tylerdu> | kronos003_: i'm not so sure about that, china has it's share of problems, and they're serious |
| 13:29 | <kronos003_> | canada has TONS of open space - they could TOTALLY do what china does - and with a bit of enginuity beat them at their own game |
| 13:30 | <kronos003_> | tylerdu: most of that are environmental concerns - im not sure they really care |
| 13:30 | <Guspaz|m> | Canada has far higher minimum wages than the US. |
| 13:30 | <kronos003_> | not by much these days |
| 13:31 | <Guspaz|m> | It used to be like $3 more per hour |
| 13:31 | <Guspaz|m> | Dunno if the US raised it at some point |
| 13:31 | <tylerdu> | kronos003_: but they also have low capacity utilization now, they overbuilt, but now have nobody to sell to |
| 13:31 | <kronos003_> | us is what: 9.25 now? canada is 12 or 14 cad? |
| 13:31 | <Guspaz|m> | Anyhow, the vast majority of the Canadian population lives within something like 100KM of the US border. |
| 13:31 | <Guspaz|m> | And by vast majority it was 90 something percent. |
| 13:32 | <Guspaz|m> | Last I checked US was 5 something and Canada was 8 something. |
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| 13:32 | <straterra> | 5? |
| 13:32 | <straterra> | It hasn't been 5 in a long time |
| 13:32 | <purrdeta> | it is 7.25 now I think |
| 13:33 | <kronos003_> | tylerdu: i read an articl about one of their complexes out there - they manufacture many diffent products for different companies in one place - we should do that here - but as i say with automation. then you could get away with a relatively small team of people to maintain the machines |
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| 13:33 | <Guspaz|m> | $9.00 in Quebec, $9.50 in Ontario (the two most populous provinces). |
| 13:33 | <Guspaz|m> | There are other outliers, as low as $8.20, as high as $10 |
| 13:33 | <straterra> | It's $7.25 atm |
| 13:33 | <Guspaz|m> | So it's still ~$2 lower. |
| 13:34 | <Guspaz|m> | So if you're paying minimum wage, all your labour costs would be a quarter higher |
| 13:34 | <Guspaz|m> | err |
| 13:34 | <Guspaz|m> | a quarter as in 25% |
| 13:34 | <tylerdu> | kronos003_: you are perfectly right, in theory, but practically industrial production has been falling for decades in all developed countries |
| 13:34 | <Guspaz|m> | Although I'm pretty sure that people working in Canadian GM plants get paid a bunch more than minimum wage. They're all unionized. |
| 13:35 | <tylerdu> | we all wanna be consultants, nobody wants to build stuff anymore (xcept chinese) |
| 13:35 | <kronos003_> | avg price impact per unit gets REAL small when you make high volumes of stuff |
| 13:35 | <Guspaz|m> | China will eventually migrate away from that just like Japan and Korea did. They were in the same place as China, 30 years ago |
| 13:35 | <Guspaz|m> | Well, maybe 40 |
| 13:36 | <kronos003_> | bush and friends need to stop selling tech to other countries |
| 13:36 | <amitz> | kronos003_: the interplay is complex. |
| 13:36 | <@mikegrb> | roflz |
| 13:36 | <Guspaz|m> | ROFL, Wyoming has $5.15 minimum wage. |
| 13:36 | <kronos003_> | i know - i just remember what was said about the ld days where US built stuff was the best on earth |
| 13:37 | <mwalling> | Guspaz|m: yes, but what is the COL in wyoming? |
| 13:37 | <mwalling> | Guspaz|m: its probably much lower then new york |
| 13:37 | <kronos003_> | certainly lower than northville MI |
| 13:37 | <Guspaz|m> | I'm sure that there are other states with similar COL to Wyoming. |
| 13:37 | <kronos003_> | almost as high as beverly hills CA |
| 13:38 | <path> | !newcalc 9 canadian dollars in usd |
| 13:38 | <mwalling> | and whats their minimum wage? |
| 13:38 | <linbot> | path: 9 Canadian dollars = 8.418294 U.S. dollars |
| 13:38 | <mwalling> | path: CAD |
| 13:38 | <Guspaz|m> | Wait, Kansas has a minimum wage of $2.65 |
| 13:38 | <path> | linbot <3 me |
| 13:38 | <linbot> | <3 |
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| 13:39 | <path> | minimum wage is a federal thing |
| 13:39 | <mwalling> | theres two minimum wages |
| 13:39 | <mwalling> | federal and state. employers are required to pay the higher |
| 13:39 | <path> | i suppose states can have their own, but it probably needs to exceed the fed |
| 13:39 | <amitz> | !newcalc 1000000/10000/160 |
| 13:39 | <linbot> | amitz: (1 000 000 / 10 000) / 160 = 0.625 |
| 13:40 | <path> | my first job paid $4.65 |
| 13:40 | <Guspaz|m> | I don't think we have federal minimum wages. I think it's up to the province. |
| 13:40 | <Guspaz|m> | My first job at Tim Hortons was $6.25 CAD back when our dollar was worth like $0.62 USD |
| 13:41 | <tylerdu> | path: that's really low... |
| 13:41 | <path> | that was 1992 or so |
| 13:42 | <Yaakov> | MY FIRST JOB PAID A GAZILLION FRENCH EUROS |
| 13:42 | <Pryon> | Mine was less than that, but I'm old |
| 13:42 | <tylerdu> | k |
| 13:42 | <Pryon> | Yaakov: you'd be happy with 5 cashews and a boot to the head |
| 13:42 | <Guspaz|m> | Mine was 2001 or 2002 or something. I made the equivalent of $4 USD an hour, I think. |
| 13:43 | <Guspaz|m> | Minimum wages were a bunch lower then, and Tim Hortons used a loophole that there was a lower minimum wage if you got tips. |
| 13:43 | <amitz> | My first job, earned me a bite of snack. It was massaging my dad. |
| 13:43 | <Guspaz|m> | Of course, we got barely any tips. |
| 13:43 | <Yaakov> | AU CONTRAIRE MON FREIRE |
| 13:43 | <Guspaz|m> | So it was basically below minimum wage. |
| 13:43 | <Yaakov> | My first "job" was in 1978 or so. |
| 13:43 | <Guspaz|m> | There is no I in frère. |
| 13:43 | <Yaakov> | THERE IS WHEN E TYPE ET! |
| 13:44 | <Guspaz|m> | :P |
| 13:44 | <Andrew> | hmm.. anything special about centos really? |
| 13:44 | <Guspaz|m> | It's RHEL. |
| 13:44 | <Yaakov> | Andrew: It is specially STINKY. |
| 13:44 | <Guspaz|m> | What's special about it is that it's free. |
| 13:44 | <Yaakov> | HTH HAND |
| 13:44 | <Andrew> | Debian is also free.. but just curious.. |
| 13:44 | <Yaakov> | Debian isn't just curious, it is omnisexual. |
| 13:45 | <Pryon> | Does Centos have scheduled releases or something? |
| 13:45 | <Guspaz|m> | Not that I'm one to correct somebody's French, mine isn't so great. |
| 13:45 | <amitz> | heh, the response time of the internet connection I'm using is so fast I thought I didn't press enter when entering new google |
| 13:45 | <amitz> | 's query. Live is good! |
| 13:45 | <Guspaz|m> | IIRC CentOS is somewhat tied to RHEL's release schedule? |
| 13:45 | <Yaakov> | Guspaz|m: Had I been speaking Français, it might make sense to correct it. |
| 13:45 | <Andrew> | just wondering.. I've had enough of Apache.. |
| 13:45 | <amitz> | compared to my usual shitty connection. |
| 13:46 | <Andrew> | and was thinking of trying a new distro too |
| 13:46 | <Yaakov> | Guspaz|m: I was speaking LA FRENCH, which is not acceptable to the Académie. |
| 13:46 | <Guspaz|m> | I see. |
| 13:46 | <Yaakov> | Guspaz|m: I also speak EL SPANISHO. |
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| 13:47 | <Guspaz|m> | Not that we ever cared about the Académie. We have our own standards. |
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| 13:47 | <Guspaz|m> | We also have language police. |
| 13:47 | <Yaakov> | Guspaz|m: I personally like the idea that the Académie française exists. It's perfectly in line with the French being the French. |
| 13:48 | <Pryon> | I need to turn on UTF8 |
| 13:48 | <Pryon> | or arrange for Yaakov to get kicked |
| 13:48 | <Guspaz|m> | My reality of living in a French society doesn't really have any connection to the French, they live thousands of kilometres away. |
| 13:48 | <amitz> | I used to be fined for speaking using informal language when I was still in middle school :-) |
| 13:49 | <Yaakov> | Guspaz|m: Not that I am entirely unsympathetic to the *idea* of the Académie... |
| 13:49 | <Guspaz|m> | I'd trade the language police for an Académie. |
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| 14:12 | <Organa> | !mtr-dallas newark9.linode.com |
| 14:13 | <linbot> | Organa: timed out |
| 14:13 | <Organa> | ic |
| 14:13 | <tarpman> | :o |
| 14:14 | <Organa> | !mtr-fremont newark9.linode.com |
| 14:14 | <Organa> | something is killing me or newark9 |
| 14:14 | <linbot> | Organa: timed out |
| 14:15 | <Organa> | !mtr-newark 207.192.69.151 |
| 14:15 | <linbot> | Organa: timed out |
| 14:17 | <tarpman> | it's making my ping command behave very strangely. |
| 14:17 | <tarpman> | --- newark9.linode.com ping statistics --- |
| 14:17 | <tarpman> | 5 packets transmitted, 5 received, 0% packet loss, time 40421ms |
| 14:18 | <tarpman> | definitely responding, though |
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| 14:18 | <tarpman> | !mtr newark9.linode.com |
| 14:18 | <linbot> | mtr combines the functionality of traceroute and ping into one easy to use tool, and the output can be useful for determining where the source of a problem is. It can be downloaded from http://www.bitwizard.nl/mtr/ or http://winmtr.sourceforge.net/ for Windows. MTR summaries can be retrieved in-channel using the command !mtr-CITY where CITY is fremont, atlanta, newark or dallas. |
| 14:18 | <tarpman> | er |
| 14:19 | <tarpman> | !mtr-dallas newark9.linode.com |
| 14:19 | <linbot> | tarpman: timed out |
| 14:19 | <tarpman> | strange. |
| 14:19 | <tarpman> | mtr from here is fine... |
| 14:22 | <Organa> | I'm in via lish and it's pretty responsive. It takes 15s to telnet out to google on 80 though |
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| 14:26 | <Organa> | :o |
| 14:26 | <Lucent> | can i run two vms at the same time if i have the ram to do so? for example each get 180 |
| 14:26 | <Organa> | if you buy to Linodes yes |
| 14:26 | <Organa> | two* |
| 14:26 | <Lucent> | ah, but i can't run two inside the same account |
| 14:26 | <JshWright> | not at the same time, no |
| 14:27 | <Daevien> | you can have two setup but only one running at a time |
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| 14:27 | <Lucent> | is that a technical limitation at this time or a forever policy limitation |
| 14:27 | <JshWright> | policy limitation |
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| 14:28 | <JshWright> | 360 is the smallest Linode they wany to make available |
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| 14:28 | <@jed> | no, it's a technical limitation |
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| 14:28 | <@jed> | how can you run two operating systems in one xen domain? |
| 14:29 | <@jed> | a linode == a server |
| 14:29 | <@jed> | since -we're- running xen, you can't run xen too |
| 14:30 | <Pryon> | the man's keeping us down |
| 14:30 | <Daevien> | i'd say it's both jed actually :p |
| 14:30 | <Daevien> | too many small nodes could add up io a lot as well |
| 14:31 | <Guspaz|m> | You can usually do the same thing with half the RAM, it's just going to hit the disk a lot more. Especially if it just starts swapping endlessly. |
| 14:31 | <@jed> | well, it's a forever technical limitation :) |
| 14:31 | <Guspaz|m> | Pfft, you just need to use QuantumXen. |
| 14:31 | <Daevien> | heh true. but if it wasn't, it woudl be a good policy one too |
| 14:31 | <Guspaz|m> | A given node can both be running and not running at the same time, allowing multiple nodes to occupy the same space. |
| 14:32 | <Guspaz|m> | No? Nobody got that? :( |
| 14:32 | * | Daevien got to torment a microsoft employee today, yay me |
| 14:33 | <Pryon> | Yes, but I find such analogies irritating. There's a lot of woowoo "justified" by QM that's just making people more stupid. |
| 14:33 | <Daevien> | anyway, back to work. bleh. |
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| 14:34 | <Guspaz|m> | Fine, then, XenSingularity, which allows an infinite number of Linodes to occupy the same space, unfortunately with infinite heat and power requirements :P |
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| 14:39 | <vuf> | so, I hear roundcube is unsafe ... what is better? |
| 14:39 | <Karrde> | acuterhombus |
| 14:40 | <mwalling> | vuf: mutt? |
| 14:40 | <path> | mail.app |
| 14:40 | <Karrde> | whatever was up with newark9 seems to have cleared up |
| 14:41 | <straterra> | vuf: its unsafe..if you run an old ass version |
| 14:41 | <vuf> | I'm not sure which of those suggestions is the most fun |
| 14:41 | <tarpman> | mutt is fun |
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| 14:42 | <vuf> | and what is really meant with webmail vulnerabilities ... that logged in users can hurt themselves? |
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| 14:43 | <vuf> | i was using squirrelmail, but now it only seems to be updated whenever their web page is hacked |
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| 14:44 | <@irgeek> | The big roundcube vulnerability didn't require being logged in. It pretty much gave attackers full access to your system (as the user RC runs as) |
| 14:44 | <straterra> | Again..if you didn't update :P |
| 14:44 | <auzigog> | When I try to restart apache, I get this error: (98)Address already in use: make_sock: could not bind to address 0.0.0.0:80 .... Any ideas? I don't know where to start looking? |
| 14:45 | <@irgeek> | As far as I know, the fix left the vulnerability in place, but "fixed" it so only logged-in users could do it. |
| 14:45 | <exor674> | stop it harder? |
| 14:45 | <straterra> | I don't know why people think OSX is so secure.. |
| 14:45 | <vuf> | ok, I got the impression that RC had more than a single vuln |
| 14:45 | <tarpman> | it probably has a bunch of small ones too. |
| 14:45 | <mwalling> | auzigog: its not stopped, or soemthign else is running on port 80 |
| 14:45 | <@irgeek> | auzigog: It either didn't stop or something else is actually listening on port 80. |
| 14:45 | <@irgeek> | mwalling: ^5 |
| 14:45 | <mwalling> | auzigog: irgeek is a slow typer |
| 14:45 | <mwalling> | irgeek: <3 |
| 14:46 | <vuf> | anyway, i note that there are no other suggestions, so I seem stuck with RC |
| 14:47 | <auzigog> | irgeek: mwalling: how do i figure out what's running on that port? and how do i kill it? |
| 14:47 | <path> | i suggested mail.app |
| 14:47 | <JshWright> | netstat -l |
| 14:47 | <mwalling> | auzigog: netstat is a good start |
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| 14:47 | <mwalling> | auzigog: i'd try just checking ps if apache is running |
| 14:47 | <mwalling> | auzigog: its an easy to explain first step |
| 14:49 | <auzigog> | mwalling: apache doesn't seem to be running. this is the relevant netstate line: tcp 634 0 firefly.arcimoto.co:www c-24-20-114-31.hs:36610 CLOSE_WAIT |
| 14:49 | <auzigog> | (I think) |
| 14:49 | <auzigog> | there's a nother CLOSE_WAIT on localhost:www ... Does that mean it's hanging or something? |
| 14:50 | <mwalling> | check ps |
| 14:50 | <auzigog> | nothin. just bash and ps. |
| 14:51 | <JshWright> | ps ax |
| 14:51 | <auzigog> | oh looky there. um. what am i looking for? haha. :) |
| 14:51 | <@irgeek> | auzigog: sudo netstat --tcp --numeric-ports -l --extend --program |
| 14:51 | <JshWright> | ps ax | grep apache |
| 14:52 | <@irgeek> | Awesome sauce. |
| 14:52 | <Pryon> | you just need for it to timeout |
| 14:52 | <Lucent> | htop is pretty cool |
| 14:52 | <npmr> | irgeek, i like tunap |
| 14:53 | <auzigog> | Results of ps ax: http://p.linode.com/2991 |
| 14:53 | <auzigog> | results of netstat: http://p.linode.com/2992 |
| 14:53 | <mwalling> | you got a dangling apache |
| 14:54 | <auzigog> | ugh |
| 14:54 | <auzigog> | that sounds nasty. ;) |
| 14:54 | <mwalling> | dingleberry |
| 14:54 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 14:54 | <auzigog> | lol. :) |
| 14:54 | <auzigog> | please sir, can you tell me how to resolve said dingleberry? are my tubes clogged? |
| 14:54 | <auzigog> | sudo laxative -f |
| 14:55 | <@irgeek> | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:80 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN root 7372 2577/apache2 |
| 14:55 | <straterra> | o.O |
| 14:55 | <auzigog> | should i just kill apache? |
| 14:55 | <@irgeek> | Apache is listening on port 80! |
| 14:55 | <auzigog> | indeed! |
| 14:55 | <straterra> | KILL IT |
| 14:55 | <auzigog> | but sudo apache2ctl stop tells me it's not running |
| 14:55 | <straterra> | kill the PID |
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| 14:55 | <Pryon> | which distribution are you running? |
| 14:55 | <auzigog> | ubuntu |
| 14:55 | <straterra> | sucktu 9.04! |
| 14:55 | <auzigog> | 7.04 |
| 14:56 | <Pryon> | invoke-rc.d apache2 stop |
| 14:56 | <auzigog> | er. make that 8.04 |
| 14:56 | <Pryon> | (sudo) |
| 14:56 | <leaf> | auzigog do lsof -i TCP:80 |
| 14:56 | <leaf> | check for dead |
| 14:56 | <leaf> | cons |
| 14:56 | <auzigog> | leaf: command not found. |
| 14:57 | <auzigog> | Pryon: result -- * Stopping web server apache2 httpd (no pid file) not running |
| 14:57 | <Pryon> | how did you start it? |
| 14:57 | <auzigog> | uh. on boot? |
| 14:57 | <tarpman> | as an extreme fix, a reboot would probably get everything nice and consistent again |
| 14:58 | <auzigog> | maybe manually, i suppose. i can't remember. it was weeks ago. :) |
| 14:58 | <auzigog> | yeah. i'm thinking about that |
| 14:58 | <leaf> | well, lsof will tell you the pids of processes running omn port 80 |
| 14:58 | <auzigog> | i think the intial problem has something to do with my SSL cert. i was trying to get the server to have my cert and I think the cert needs a password on boot |
| 14:58 | <leaf> | you can see what file is running too |
| 14:58 | <auzigog> | so everything broke |
| 14:58 | <auzigog> | i'll just reboot i guess. |
| 14:58 | <Pryon> | ... |
| 14:59 | <Pryon> | Why not just kill the process? |
| 14:59 | <JshWright> | why not just... what Pryon typed faster than me |
| 15:00 | <Pryon> | Then start apache in the way appropriate to your distribution |
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| 15:01 | <auzigog> | okay. killing it worked. :) sorry for being such a dunce with some of the unix stuff. |
| 15:02 | <Pryon> | You're not being a dunce |
| 15:03 | <Pryon> | Just slow down a little :-) |
| 15:06 | <silverblade> | this isnot windows :p |
| 15:06 | <Pryon> | (it's not Sparta, either) |
| 15:07 | <mwalling> | nor urmom |
| 15:07 | <silverblade> | urmom nom nom |
| 15:09 | <tarpman> | :o |
| 15:10 | <straterra> | Pryon: it's...not? |
| 15:16 | <Pryon> | sorry, man |
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| 15:20 | <rainman`> | meh, something died |
| 15:20 | <rainman`> | ha, back |
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| 15:20 | <straterra> | Fucking newark |
| 15:21 | <straterra> | Been having glitches all day |
| 15:21 | <erikh> | my newark host has been stable |
| 15:21 | <JshWright> | it just glitched on me for a little bit |
| 15:21 | <vuf> | straterra: oh, so something is wrong? I was wondering what happend ... |
| 15:21 | <straterra> | Something definitely happened with the network |
| 15:22 | <straterra> | It's like the fifth time today for me..only happens for a second or two..but still |
| 15:22 | <JshWright> | same here |
| 15:22 | <straterra> | You've had numerous, small issues today too? |
| 15:22 | <vuf> | this is the first time I notice |
| 15:22 | <JshWright> | yep, connection stalls out for a few seconds/maybe a minute |
| 15:23 | <Karrde> | I have as well |
| 15:23 | <JshWright> | it's not even enough to drop my SSH connection, but it's annoying none the less |
| 15:23 | <straterra> | Zenoss has been telling me all day, heh |
| 15:23 | <straterra> | Monitoring one of my latency sensitive apps |
| 15:25 | <vuf> | stuff like this makes number of nines irrelevant |
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| 15:27 | <Guspaz|m> | Forums are down :( |
| 15:27 | <Guspaz|m> | Getting an error: |
| 15:27 | <Guspaz|m> | Couldn't get mail server response codes DEBUG MODE Line : 116 File : smtp.php |
| 15:27 | <Guspaz|m> | When I try to post. |
| 15:28 | <silverblade> | heh |
| 15:28 | <silverblade> | on linode? |
| 15:28 | <silverblade> | .com |
| 15:28 | <vuf> | straterra: does linode staff know about the problems? |
| 15:29 | <silverblade> | maybe they post an announcement in the foru.......... |
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| 15:29 | <D13> | Hi Linode-rs |
| 15:29 | <D13> | is referer reported in Apache access log "reliable"? |
| 15:29 | <vblank> | did somebody just say they put a latency sensitive app on a linode? |
| 15:30 | <@irgeek> | D13: Define reliable. |
| 15:30 | <D13> | (assuming user isn't some advanced, referer spoofing type of user) |
| 15:30 | <Guspaz|m> | As reliable as the client reporting it. |
| 15:30 | <vuf> | D13: with assumption, the answer is yes |
| 15:30 | <D13> | reliable as in.. more reliable than PHP $_SERVER referer |
| 15:30 | <Guspaz|m> | An HTTP client can report whatever it wants for the referer, or none at all. |
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| 15:30 | <straterra> | vblank: Yes... |
| 15:30 | <Guspaz|m> | D13: It's the same source in both cases, the client... |
| 15:30 | <straterra> | vblank: Anyone running a game server has |
| 15:30 | <Guspaz|m> | In both cases it comes from the HTTP headers. |
| 15:31 | <D13> | oh i see.. so in either case, it's unrelaible b/c the CLIENT is reporting it |
| 15:31 | <Guspaz|m> | Yes |
| 15:31 | <D13> | is there a solid bulletproof way of gettint true referer? |
| 15:31 | <Guspaz|m> | No. |
| 15:31 | <JshWright> | Guspaz|m: you message is getting posted, no need to keep clicking "submit" |
| 15:31 | <Guspaz|m> | How should you know where the client has been before? |
| 15:32 | <JshWright> | s/you/your/ |
| 15:32 | <Guspaz|m> | JshWright: Wups. |
| 15:32 | <@irgeek> | D13: Sit behind your users and watch. That's reliable. |
| 15:32 | <D13> | @Irgeek: hehe |
| 15:32 | <silverblade> | You cant entirely trust the information that comes from the client ;) |
| 15:33 | <D13> | btw.. i've been with liniode for a while now.. i get offers on other VPS services.. cheaper but their ram is 96mb.. is it eeven possible to run a slice using that little memory? I need to run apache/mysql/php/curl/ssh/squid/cron |
| 15:33 | <@irgeek> | Guspaz|m: The forums are working, it's just timing out on some requests for some reason. |
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| 15:34 | <vuf> | irgeek: forums are in newark? :) |
| 15:34 | <@irgeek> | No |
| 15:34 | <JshWright> | forums interact with something in newark? (smtp maybe?) |
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| 15:34 | <Guspaz|m> | 96MB is enough to run all that, but don't expect to do much with it. |
| 15:34 | <silverblade> | smtp.php errors are usually due to mail server issues |
| 15:34 | <@irgeek> | No |
| 15:34 | <silverblade> | or at least my ones have previously been |
| 15:35 | <silverblade> | crikey, 96MB? |
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| 15:35 | <D13> | Yeah.. it's only $8/mo |
| 15:35 | <D13> | hehe |
| 15:35 | <silverblade> | And linode is what? |
| 15:35 | <Guspaz|m> | Sorry, not APache, but lighty or nginx maybe. |
| 15:35 | * | silverblade forgets |
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| 15:35 | <D13> | $20 |
| 15:35 | <Guspaz|m> | I've got a box running Ubuntu Server 8.04 or 8.10 that's using less than 96MB to run Lighttpd/PHP/MySQL/Squid/SSH. |
| 15:35 | <D13> | if I wanna just use it as a CDN, should be sufficient, no? |
| 15:35 | <silverblade> | uhuh... so, just over twice the price, and iirc the ram is about 300mb + |
| 15:35 | <Guspaz|m> | It hosts http://otaku.concordia.ca |
| 15:35 | <Guspaz|m> | It's a Pentium 3. |
| 15:36 | <Guspaz|m> | Hmm, unforunately the network is cut off in that building ATM. |
| 15:36 | <JshWright> | D13: a single 96MB VPS instance does not a CDN make... |
| 15:36 | <Guspaz|m> | They're doing maintenance in the basement, keep unplugging the building's primary switch. |
| 15:37 | <Guspaz|m> | 96MB is plenty to serve static content, but you really don't have anything for disk caching. |
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| 15:37 | <D13> | Jsh: well.. i was thinking of getting a whole bunch |
| 15:37 | <A-KO> | man the openvpn crew is a bunch of zealot fuckers |
| 15:37 | <JshWright> | do they have multiple data centers? |
| 15:37 | <Guspaz|m> | There's no point in getting more than a small number in any one place. |
| 15:37 | <Guspaz|m> | Otherwise you might as well consolidate. |
| 15:37 | <megatron27__> | thank god, Amazon S3 can resume downloads |
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| 15:38 | <D13> | If I want to store the visitor info, basic info really... ip, referer, time visited, etc etc... What would mysql table engine is ideal? MyISAM(w/table locking) or InnoDB (w/row locking)? The table will just do writes most of the time |
| 15:38 | <Guspaz|m> | InnoDB is almost always the right choice ;) But that's just my preference. |
| 15:38 | <vuf> | http://58.6.118.18/ |
| 15:41 | <Deathvalley122> | can someone tell me sudoers are in Debian 4.0 cause I don |
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| 15:41 | <Deathvalley122> | erm |
| 15:41 | <JshWright> | D13: A full blown RDBMS seems a little excessive there, doesn't it? |
| 15:41 | <Deathvalley122> | can someone tell me sudoers are in Debian 4.0 cause I don't see it in etc |
| 15:41 | <D13> | jsh: Don't ask me why.. my idiot boss is requestingi t |
| 15:41 | <Huitzilopochtli> | Deathvalley122: do you have 'sudo' installed ? |
| 15:41 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 15:41 | <Deathvalley122> | I have no idea lol |
| 15:42 | <Huitzilopochtli> | Deathvalley122: that would be the first step |
| 15:42 | <tarpman> | Deathvalley122: and once you do have installed, use 'visudo' to edit sudoers. don't edit the file directly |
| 15:43 | <Huitzilopochtli> | ive gotten away with editing /etc/sudoers many times, perhaps i will die a horrible death soon |
| 15:43 | <tarpman> | probably |
| 15:43 | <Deathvalley122> | ok it would be apt-get install sudoers to install it? |
| 15:43 | <tarpman> | I've made syntax errors in sudoers before and regretted it. |
| 15:43 | <tarpman> | Deathvalley122: the package is called sudo |
| 15:43 | <Huitzilopochtli> | oh i guess it does catch syntax errors |
| 15:43 | <tarpman> | yeah, that's the main point |
| 15:44 | <tarpman> | okaaay, *not* installing mtr on the headless box. that's a scary list of dependencies |
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| 15:44 | <tarpman> | anyone know if there's a debian package of it built w/o x11? |
| 15:44 | <erikh> | myisam is better when you have to do a lot of writes. |
| 15:44 | <erikh> | innodb is a slow, bloated pig |
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| 15:45 | <Huitzilopochtli> | i guess. crash recovery is better innodb. you dont need to reindex with innodb. myisam is probably only the best choice for read only tables that you're not doing any joins with in your queries |
| 15:45 | <Guspaz|m> | But MyISAM doesn't support most of the stuff a modern database does. Such as foreign keys. |
| 15:46 | <tarpman> | ah, mtr-tiny. |
| 15:46 | <Guspaz|m> | MyISAM also is missing transactions (!!!) |
| 15:46 | <Huitzilopochtli> | if you're using a VM for heavy mysql you're probably doing something wrong anyway |
| 15:46 | <Huitzilopochtli> | rolling back transactions is really overrated |
| 15:46 | <@irgeek> | InnoDB eats RAM like it's candy. |
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| 15:46 | <silverblade> | and lets face it, everyone loves candy. |
| 15:47 | <Guspaz|m> | It's not just rolling back, but the fact that transactions are atomic. |
| 15:47 | <megatron27__> | I think there's an append only MySQL storage engine that's meant for logging.. |
| 15:47 | <Huitzilopochtli> | BLACKHOLE |
| 15:47 | <vuf> | MyISAM is only good if you want to write fast, and never ever read ... |
| 15:47 | <Deathvalley122> | ok one more question |
| 15:47 | <Guspaz|m> | Why not use (get this) a log file? |
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| 15:47 | <Deathvalley122> | how do I add access to people? |
| 15:48 | <Guspaz|m> | I hear that log files are great for keeping logs. |
| 15:48 | <Huitzilopochtli> | Deathvalley122: you need to read visudo manpage ( or maybe its sudo ). or just google for examples |
| 15:48 | <vuf> | Huitzilopochtli: transactions are not just for rolling back |
| 15:48 | <Guspaz|m> | (pardon my sarcasm :) ) |
| 15:48 | <Guspaz|m> | Bonus: on Ubuntu Server, visudo uses nano. |
| 15:48 | <@irgeek> | Deathvalley122: http://linux.die.net/man/5/sudoers |
| 15:49 | <tarpman> | Guspaz|m: it uses whatever EDITOR is set to. nano if it isn't. |
| 15:49 | <litwol|m_> | sudoers == screwoers |
| 15:50 | <megatron27__> | it's the ARCHIVE storage engine - supports INSERT AND SELECT but not the other SQL operations |
| 15:50 | <Guspaz|m> | tarpman: The default, though, is to not have it set. |
| 15:50 | <Guspaz|m> | So by default, Ubuntu Server gives you a user-friendly editor. |
| 15:50 | <tarpman> | enough programs use the EDITOR variable that it's useful to have around |
| 15:50 | <tarpman> | er, useful to have set * |
| 15:50 | <vuf> | MySQL has so many engines because they are all crap? |
| 15:50 | <Guspaz|m> | Expecting first-time Linux users to use vi is a sadly elitist attitude. |
| 15:50 | <megatron27__> | vuf: each is specialized |
| 15:51 | <Guspaz|m> | Or, just use InnoDB and pay the memory piper. |
| 15:51 | <vuf> | megatron27__: or none of them work well |
| 15:51 | <Huitzilopochtli> | i usually make sure i have the vim-nox package installed , and "syntax on" in my .vimrc |
| 15:51 | <megatron27__> | vuf: or none of them work well for all situations |
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| 15:52 | <megatron27__> | but sometimes the feature differences don't make sense e.g. why is FTS not available in InnoDB :-( |
| 15:53 | <vblank> | sadly elitist? is there a happy elitist attitude? |
| 15:53 | <vuf> | megatron27__: that would make sense, except other databases do not seem to have that need for specializing, and they still come out ahead |
| 15:54 | <Guspaz|m> | blank: No, I mean it's sad that it is elitist. |
| 15:54 | <rainman`> | mysql has multiple storage engines because they are specialised :) |
| 15:54 | <rainman`> | i don't have anything but innodb in production |
| 15:55 | <Guspaz|m> | It's sad that elitism is still so prevalent in the Linux community. |
| 15:55 | <rainman`> | but i can definitely see the use for archive |
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| 15:56 | <vblank> | You mean your sad? |
| 15:56 | <Deathvalley122> | Warning: undeclared User_Alias `SPAWN' referenced near line 18 |
| 15:56 | <Deathvalley122> | Warning: undeclared User_Alias `SPAWN' referenced near line 20<----can someone tell me what I did wrong here? |
| 15:56 | <Guspaz|m> | vblank: Yes. I'm sad. |
| 15:56 | <vblank> | ahhh, now i get it |
| 15:56 | <Guspaz|m> | rainman`: MEMORY/HEAP is also useful in very specific instances. |
| 15:57 | <rainman`> | Guspaz|m, even BLACKHOLE has it's uses :> |
| 15:57 | <Guspaz|m> | A limited read-only dataset. |
| 15:57 | <Guspaz|m> | I once wrote a system that did all queries from a HEAP table, and recreated the HEAP table any time it had to do a write; writes were vary rare, so it worked wonders. |
| 15:57 | <rainman`> | <mysql trainer> i left this engine as last to discuss, it has an amazing insert speed |
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| 15:58 | <@mikegrb> | roflz |
| 15:58 | <Guspaz|m> | rofl |
| 15:58 | <Deathvalley122> | can someone tell what I did wrong? |
| 15:58 | <Guspaz|m> | I still say that a simple log file makes the most sense for D13's situation, though. |
| 15:58 | <straterra> | Deathvalley122: It's a warning.. |
| 15:59 | <Deathvalley122> | does it mean I did it right? |
| 15:59 | <Deathvalley122> | or wrong? |
| 15:59 | <straterra> | Deathvalley122: Also..some more context would be nice |
| 15:59 | <straterra> | Like um..wtf you are doing would be nice to know. |
| 15:59 | <megatron27__> | BLACKHOLE storage engine - for clients that don't pay |
| 15:59 | <Guspaz|m> | Usually, best practice is to have zero warnings. |
| 16:00 | <Deathvalley122> | straterra: just a min let me pastebin it for ya |
| 16:00 | <Guspaz|m> | Deathvalley122: Don't forget to sanitize it! |
| 16:00 | <erikh> | Guspaz|m: I agree |
| 16:01 | <erikh> | use a log file |
| 16:01 | <rainman`> | some days, i feel like best practice is to give up my job and become a gardener |
| 16:01 | <erikh> | all that wasted memory on a DB that won't have any queries run against it |
| 16:01 | <Pryon> | rainman`: I am so there with you |
| 16:01 | <Deathvalley122> | straterra: http://pastebin.com/d5eab7093 |
| 16:01 | <Guspaz|m> | Well, he said that there will occasionally be queries against it, but I presume that's just if they need to check on something. At which point a grep would probably be fast enough, especially if the log files are rotated. |
| 16:02 | <Deathvalley122> | Guspaz|m: was that suppose to be a joke cause I didn't get it |
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| 16:02 | <Guspaz|m> | Deathvalley122: Sanitize: blank out any passwords, usernames, hostnames, etc. |
| 16:02 | <megatron27__> | gardening? hmm... |
| 16:03 | <Pryon> | highly recommended |
| 16:03 | <Deathvalley122> | oh no there's not passwords in this Guspaz|m |
| 16:03 | <Deathvalley122> | no*** |
| 16:04 | <jtsage> | Deathvalley122- look at line 12. then spell the word 'all' (you're missing an L). also, is your username really SPAWN in all caps? |
| 16:05 | <JshWright> | why not just usermod -g wheel -A `whoami`? |
| 16:06 | <Guspaz|m> | I don't think that the wheel group is set up or enabled by default in many distros? |
| 16:06 | <Deathvalley122> | I am |
| 16:06 | <erikh> | JshWright: it might be advantageous on a system with users who might be revoked |
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| 16:07 | <Deathvalley122> | oh no my bad I pasted it wrong JshWright |
| 16:08 | <Deathvalley122> | http://pastebin.com/d336f5f1b <----that's the correct paste sorry you guys |
| 16:10 | <Deathvalley122> | when it's set up like that I get a warning and it doesn't work :S I don't know what I am doing wrong ... |
| 16:13 | <laser`> | Hmm |
| 16:13 | <laser`> | I wonder if it does something like interpret something in all caps as a variable |
| 16:13 | <laser`> | That would explain the error |
| 16:14 | <laser`> | Perhaps put yourself in the wheel group? |
| 16:14 | <laser`> | That's what I normally do |
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| 16:18 | <Twayne> | . |
| 16:18 | <@irgeek> | , |
| 16:18 | <vuf> | ; |
| 16:19 | <Guspaz|m> | : |
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| 16:22 | <auzigog> | How do I figure out what user apache is running under? So I can chown my webroot to the right owner/group. |
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| 16:23 | <auzigog> | I'm on Ubuntu 8.04 |
| 16:23 | <aaronpk> | auzigog?? i didn't know you were on linode! |
| 16:23 | <Karrde> | it's probably www-data |
| 16:23 | <Karrde> | look at the config file? |
| 16:24 | <Karrde> | ps aux | grep www-data |
| 16:24 | <Deathvalley122> | laser`: |
| 16:24 | <auzigog> | aaronpk: Dude! Hey! |
| 16:24 | <aaronpk> | small world again! |
| 16:24 | <Deathvalley122> | I am in the wheel group but I am getting that warning error |
| 16:24 | <auzigog> | aaronpk: i just run into you everywhere! Yeah. I'm using linode for work. i'll pm you. |
| 16:25 | <Karrde> | oh |
| 16:25 | <auzigog> | Karrde: cool, so to let my scripts have access to folders, www-data needs to own them, not my personal user account |
| 16:25 | <Karrde> | ps aux | grep apache |
| 16:25 | <Karrde> | I didn't type what I meant |
| 16:25 | <Karrde> | auzigog: seems that way |
| 16:25 | <laser`> | Deathvalley122: Get rid of that line then |
| 16:26 | <Deathvalley122> | laser`: which one? |
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| 16:26 | <laser`> | Deathvalley122: http://pastebin.com/d336f5f1b in that file line 13 |
| 16:27 | <Deathvalley122> | so I just leave that blank then laser`? |
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| 16:30 | <laser`> | Just delete line 13, yes |
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| 16:50 | <erikh> | sudo probably thinks 'SPAWN' is a macro |
| 16:51 | <erikh> | 'cause of its case |
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| 16:54 | <Smark> | with lish, if I run a command from lish then close the console, does it stop the process or does it keep going? |
| 16:54 | <Smark> | IE a large wget or scp |
| 16:54 | <tarpman> | it's a screen session, so it should keep going |
| 16:54 | <tarpman> | haven't tried though. |
| 16:54 | <Smark> | any of the staff confirm/deny? |
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| 16:55 | <Pryon> | I'd use screen for that sort of thing (not via lish) |
| 16:55 | <Smark> | yeah, i ran sleep 120 and it was still running when i restarted sessions |
| 16:56 | <auzigog> | Hey all. Does anyone know if a linode 540 with a drupal installation can handle 50,000 views in a single day (on the day of our launch) or it it safe to assume that we should upgrade? |
| 16:56 | <Pryon> | A 360 could probably do that if tuned well |
| 16:56 | <JshWright> | auzigog: there are _way_ too many variables there... |
| 16:57 | <auzigog> | i know. :( |
| 16:57 | <auzigog> | there are too many variables for me to even get a rough idea of what it can handle |
| 16:57 | <JshWright> | like Pryon said, a properly configured 360 could handle it just fine, and a badly configured 1080 could choke on it |
| 16:57 | <auzigog> | but we're launching our company and website on the same day. and it's going to be a huge launch. |
| 16:58 | <auzigog> | is there anything i could use as a guide for when I've got it to the point where it's "properly configured" |
| 16:58 | <Pryon> | you need to hire somebody that knows how to run a web server |
| 16:59 | <erikh> | amen. if it's a big launch you're goin to want someone who knows what they're doing if/when something breaks. |
| 17:00 | <auzigog> | Pryon: haha. i agree. this is the first time i've been in a production environment. i know i'm asking questions that are way too big to answer. i guess my question is where should I start if I am the only person on board. start with getting drupal to cache everything? start with getting php omptimized? start with optimizing mysql/apache? |
| 17:00 | <JshWright> | yes |
| 17:01 | <Pryon> | (1) make sure the site works at all |
| 17:01 | <Smark> | bah, how do I start up a screen session, as if it were its own version of bash or something... If that makes any sense |
| 17:01 | <Pryon> | Smark: log in an type screen. Am I missing something? |
| 17:02 | <Smark> | perhaps not |
| 17:02 | <JshWright> | auzigog: is it a fairly static site? |
| 17:02 | <vblank> | auzigog: just do some stress tests on your test server and use those results to size your production server |
| 17:02 | <auzigog> | JshWright: i'd say about 10% of people will log in. So I can get drupal to cache everything for anonymous users |
| 17:03 | <JshWright> | yeah, that'll take a huge bite out of your required resources |
| 17:03 | <auzigog> | vblank: is there an application that can do a stress test for me or should I find actual users? |
| 17:04 | <auzigog> | JshWright: yeah. so i guess i'll start there. |
| 17:05 | <vblank> | i would search freshmeat.net for 'stress' - lots of results |
| 17:06 | <JshWright> | auzigog: is it just drupal you're running? |
| 17:06 | <vblank> | but 50000 views a day is less than 1 a second, not too busy really |
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| 17:06 | <auzigog> | vblank: most of them will be in a 5 hour period |
| 17:06 | <@irgeek> | Smark: Lish sessions run inside screen so it will keep going. Unless the getty on your Linode dies. |
| 17:07 | <auzigog> | JshWright: yeah. it's a moderately complex site. ecommerce and credit card processing included |
| 17:07 | <Guspaz|m> | Linode hosts tend to be pretty low in utilization, so you can usually burst pretty high in CPU. And bandwidth scales linearly at $0.10 per gig whether it's part of your plan or not. And if you're not using the extra storage, it doesn't matter. So the only *real* difference between the different linodes, then, is RAM. |
| 17:07 | <megatron27__> | does Amazon S3 throttle clients |
| 17:07 | <JshWright> | auzigog: if it's just drupal and you don't need any fancy apache features, why not switch out for nginx/lighttpd? |
| 17:08 | <Guspaz|m> | Yeah, that should be your first step. Ditch Apache. |
| 17:08 | <auzigog> | JshWright: because I already spent a week setting up the server and I'm not familiar with nginx/lighttpd enough to administrate them effectively. although i guess that's still an option/ |
| 17:09 | <Guspaz|m> | Tuning Apache for high load is an art in itself. Tuning lighttpd for high load is simple. |
| 17:10 | <Guspaz|m> | IIRC for Lighttpd you'd just need to give it a few more PHP processes, and turn up the maximum number of simultaneous connections? |
| 17:11 | <Smark> | and we're off and running copying disk images |
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| 17:14 | <chris> | I considered toying with lighttpd but I was not immediately aware of whether I'd miss some apache modules |
| 17:14 | <vblank> | nobody ever got fired for installing apache |
| 17:15 | <BarkerJr> | I've read reviews that lighttpd is not stable and has ram leaks |
| 17:15 | <Guspaz|m> | vblank: Yeah, but they do get fired for the mission-critical box OOMing |
| 17:15 | <Guspaz|m> | I haven't noticed any RAM leaks or stability issues with lighttpd. |
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| 17:15 | <BarkerJr> | the reviews was 2 years old |
| 17:15 | <BarkerJr> | maybe they fixed it |
| 17:16 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 17:16 | <vblank> | apache & mission critical? Lol |
| 17:16 | <vblank> | anything mission critical isn't going down because one apache server crashes |
| 17:17 | <Guspaz|m> | Not if your budget is apparently low enough that you need to run it all off a $30/mth VPS. |
| 17:17 | <BarkerJr> | then your mission isn't critical :) |
| 17:17 | <vblank> | exactly |
| 17:17 | <Guspaz|m> | It might be to you. |
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| 17:19 | <BarkerJr> | are you really having problems with apache using too much memory? I run apache on my 360's and they have about 130MB free ram still |
| 17:20 | <Guspaz|m> | By default, when Apache is faced with a large number of clients, it spawns a large number of processes, consuming massive quantities of RAM. It's possible to tweak this, certainly, although Apache is never going to use as little RAM as lighttpd or nginx. |
| 17:21 | <BarkerJr> | ah, I don't have that many hits :) |
| 17:22 | <vblank> | If you're getting so many hits and running out of RAM you should consider getting more RAM. |
| 17:22 | <Guspaz|m> | Or, you know, use a server that doesn't consume massive quantities of RAM? |
| 17:22 | <Guspaz|m> | Throwing RAM at bad software is a poor solution. |
| 17:23 | <BarkerJr> | well then I guess you know what you gotta do |
| 17:23 | <BarkerJr> | :) |
| 17:23 | <megatron27__> | just use a CDN or SE |
| 17:23 | <vblank> | ram fixes everything. |
| 17:23 | <megatron27__> | s3* |
| 17:23 | <Guspaz|m> | S3 is crazy expensive. |
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| 17:23 | <Guspaz|m> | There are much cheaper CDNs around. |
| 17:23 | <leaf> | simplecdn.com is what i use |
| 17:24 | <Guspaz|m> | Was going to say. SimpleCDN is 3.9 cents per gig. |
| 17:24 | <leaf> | i host my albums there and ive only paid 8 bucks so far |
| 17:25 | <Pryon> | give us URL and we'll take care of that for you |
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| 17:25 | <leaf> | haha |
| 17:26 | <Guspaz|m> | Keep in mind that Linode is still just $0.10/GB. That's not as cheap as SimpleCDN at $0.039/GB, but if you're not even using up your existing Linode allotment, then it's money wasted. |
| 17:26 | <Guspaz|m> | $8 is 205GB at SimpleCDN, and the cheapest Linode has 200GB/mth included. |
| 17:27 | <megatron27__> | nice @ simplecdn |
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| 17:27 | <Guspaz|m> | I wouldn't even bother looking at a CDN unless you're going over your Linode cap. |
| 17:27 | <leaf> | i use simplecdn not for the bandwidth cost, but im a musician and i want everyone around the world to be able to grab my albums at their max sopeed |
| 17:28 | <leaf> | speed |
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| 17:28 | <megatron27__> | ewww - http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/9l5ui/i_am_the_offspring_of_siblings_ask_me_anything/ |
| 17:29 | <megatron27__> | but I like that subreddit |
| 17:29 | <niner> | Heh. I've gotten a few downvotes on my post from earlier today to that subreddit. |
| 17:30 | <erikh> | bring on the downvote |
| 17:30 | <erikh> | s |
| 17:30 | <Guspaz|m> | I liked the comment "BILLY MAYS HERE WITH OXICLEAN -- Yo Billy Mays, I'm really happy for you, im'a let you finish, but the slapchop is one of the best infomercial products of all time!" |
| 17:30 | <aaronpk> | why isn't udev creating /dev/md0 on boot? |
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| 17:30 | <aaronpk> | (not on a linode server) |
| 17:30 | <straterra> | aaronpk: you need an initrd |
| 17:31 | <megatron27__> | I prefer the a Patrick Swayze one "Yo patrick, I'll let you finish, but MJ had one of the best deaths of all time" |
| 17:31 | <niner> | no Road House 3, I guess. |
| 17:31 | <erikh> | billy mays died early so he could get his coffin at the low, low price of $19.95! |
| 17:31 | <niner> | ..... too soon? |
| 17:31 | <Smark> | http://quaoar.ww7.be/ms_fud_of_the_year/569458-microsoft-attack-linux-retail-level-probably.html |
| 17:31 | <Smark> | lols |
| 17:32 | <aaronpk> | straterra: one of my servers works fine and has no init.d script, the newer one can't figure out this RAID stuff for the life of it. |
| 17:32 | <megatron27__> | I might as well go to work early since I'm up. |
| 17:32 | <BarkerJr> | aaronpk, centos? |
| 17:32 | <aaronpk> | fedora 7 and 11 |
| 17:33 | <aaronpk> | 11 is the one with problems |
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| 17:34 | <BarkerJr> | check in /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit and make sure start_udev is not commented |
| 17:34 | <aaronpk> | it's there. i remember seeing "staring udev" on the boot screen |
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| 17:35 | <aaronpk> | it's like it doesn't know about raid when udev starts? |
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| 17:40 | <aaronpk> | hmm... `cat /proc/mdstat` doesn't show any raid personalities, could it be that the raid driver isn't loaded when udev starts so it doesn't know to make the device? |
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| 17:52 | <Smark> | I heard someone say that Linode backup was in a free beta atm... that true or did I misunderstand? |
| 17:54 | <vuf> | it's true |
| 17:54 | <mwalling> | !f backups |
| 17:54 | <linbot> | mwalling: We don't offer backups yet, but we're working on it. So, for now backups are your responsibility. You are protected against a hard drive failure on the host, as we utilize hardware RAID mirroring across two drives. However, this is not a substitute for proper backups. If you have enough unallocated disk space on your account you can duplicate your disk images in the Linode Manager. It's also simple to (1 more message) |
| 17:54 | <mwalling> | hrm |
| 17:54 | <mwalling> | tis broke |
| 17:54 | <CaptObviousman> | I think you're broke |
| 17:54 | <vuf> | !backup |
| 17:54 | <linbot> | Backups are in free beta in certain DCs (including newark). See http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4067 for details. |
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| 17:55 | <Smark> | so its only available if you're in newark? |
| 17:56 | <BarkerJr> | no, it's elsewhere, too |
| 17:56 | <Smark> | where do I sign (up) |
| 17:56 | <Smark> | ticket time looks like |
| 17:56 | <BarkerJr> | yep |
| 17:57 | <mwalling> | ticket time |
| 17:57 | <mwalling> | and its more then newark afaik |
| 17:58 | <aaronpk> | so i'm pretty sure the problem is that the raid kernel module isn't being loaded on boot, causing udev to not create /dev/md0. how can i get the raid5 module loaded on boot? |
| 17:58 | <aaronpk> | (before udev starts) |
| 17:59 | <vuf> | aaronpk: initrd |
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| 18:02 | <aaronpk> | well now the raid5 module loads on boot, but it's still not creating /dev/md0 >:( |
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| 18:06 | <vuf> | how about "mdadm --detail --scan" ? |
| 18:07 | <aaronpk> | it just doesn't print anything |
| 18:08 | <vuf> | it used to work? |
| 18:08 | <aaronpk> | i built the arrays on this computer |
| 18:09 | <Smark> | there a linode backup channel or no? |
| 18:09 | <aaronpk> | i may not have rebooted the computer until now though |
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| 18:12 | <Smark> | is the backup service even still running? latest posts in the the thread show its down, but they're 2 months old |
| 18:14 | <mwalling> | its not for backing up, its for breaking the system now so it doesnt break when its "supported" |
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| 18:15 | <Smark> | i as never planning on using it as my only backup source... I wanted to play around with it see if its something I'm going to subscribe to when it goes into production |
| 18:15 | <Smark> | s/as/was/ |
| 18:15 | <Smark> | and Mr. dfinnerty set me up! |
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| 18:20 | <aaronpk> | vuf: when i run `mdadm -Q /dev/sdi1` (one of the drives in an array) it says "/dev/sdi1: device 2 in 4 device undetected raid5 /dev/.tmp.md1.". the next time i run it it says /dev/md1, and alternates back and forth each time i run it. wtf? |
| 18:21 | <vuf> | aaronpk: once you get it assembled, doing "mdadm --detail --scan >/etc/mdadm.conf" should help you keep it across reboots |
| 18:21 | <aaronpk> | i will do that as soon as i get it assembled... |
| 18:22 | <aaronpk> | something just created /dev/md1 now, but i still can't assemble |
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| 18:25 | <vuf> | aaronpk: if you know the drives in the array, assembling by hand should be easy, no? |
| 18:26 | <aaronpk> | i have the list of devices in /etc/mdadm.conf |
| 18:27 | <aaronpk> | huh..don't know why i didn't think of doing that before ..... |
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| 18:28 | <aaronpk> | ok, now testing a reboot |
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| 18:32 | <aaronpk> | much better |
| 18:32 | <linbot> | New news from forums: Thoughts from a first time user in Backup Service Beta <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4636>; |
| 18:33 | <aaronpk> | now i have to figure out how to get LVM to start up before mdadm tries to start the array |
| 18:35 | <vuf> | aaronpk: so how did you fix the mdadm? |
| 18:35 | <aaronpk> | assembled the two arrays manually because i knew the devices in each, then ran mdadm --detail --scan > /etc/mdadm.conf |
| 18:36 | <aaronpk> | unfortunately one of my devices is an LVM volume and it's missing from the fresh-booted array |
| 18:36 | <vuf> | you want LVM *before* md? |
| 18:36 | <aaronpk> | i have a 250gb and 750gb drive combined into 1tb using LVM, that 1tb volume is a device in the array |
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| 18:38 | <vuf> | oh so you use lvm for raid0 |
| 18:38 | <aaronpk> | raid5 actually |
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| 18:39 | <vuf> | 250+750 => 1000 is raid0 |
| 18:39 | <aaronpk> | no, 250+750 using lvm is combined with 3 actual 1tb drives to form a raid5 array |
| 18:39 | <vuf> | right |
| 18:40 | <vuf> | anyway, I have no idea how to change the order of assembly |
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| 18:45 | <Guspaz|m> | raid-0 requires like-sized drives. |
| 18:45 | <vuf> | I meant linear when I said raid0 ... time for bed :) |
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| 18:56 | <linbot> | New news from forums: CentOS 5.3 Image in Feature Request/Bug Report <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4637>; |
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| 18:59 | <Smark> | Linode billing is what time zone? EST? |
| 19:00 | <HoopyCat> | the most inconvenient one possible at any given moment |
| 19:00 | <Smark> | Australia? |
| 19:00 | <mwalling> | Smark: prevaling eastern time |
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| 19:00 | <Smark> | (need to know what time to remove my old linode from my account before I'm billed for another day) |
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| 19:01 | <mwalling> | Smark: right now its 7:01 PM |
| 19:01 | <Smark> | 5 hours then, hopefully that'll be enough to finish this transfer |
| 19:02 | <HoopyCat> | Smark: i've wondered that myself a bit, actually. a logical assumption would, indeed, be midnight EST/EDT |
| 19:03 | <Smark> | because even if my old linode is still on my account at 12:00am I get billed |
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| 19:04 | <aaronpk> | yea but only for a day cause it's all prorated |
| 19:04 | -!- | paulohonte [~bd44a41a@webuser.linode.com] has joined #linode |
| 19:05 | <paulohonte> | HI, I made my registration of the linode on last Monday |
| 19:05 | <HoopyCat> | paulohonte: welcome! |
| 19:06 | <paulohonte> | I'm with a problem. |
| 19:06 | <Smark> | and whats that? |
| 19:06 | <paulohonte> | -- Your account is currently pending activation -- |
| 19:07 | <paulohonte> | what do I need to do? |
| 19:07 | <Smark> | were you ever able to successfully log in to your account? |
| 19:08 | <Smark> | jed, pparadis, or caker should be able to help you out if you're always been pending activation. |
| 19:08 | <bliblok> | paulohonte: Checked your email lately, including spamfolders? |
| 19:09 | <Smark> | s/you're/you've/ |
| 19:09 | <paulohonte> | I didn't receive any email .. :( |
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| 19:11 | <Smark> | what would be the correct robots.txt file if I wanted to disable all spidering of a specific domain? |
| 19:11 | <linbot> | New news from forums: Network statistics from a firewall? in Linux Networking <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4638>; |
| 19:11 | <HoopyCat> | Smark: http://www.robotstxt.org/robotstxt.html |
| 19:12 | <HoopyCat> | paulohonte: haven't seen anyone on staff here in a couple hours, but someone is bound to turn up eventually |
| 19:14 | <Smark> | thanks HoopyCat |
| 19:15 | <paulohonte> | I thought that the activation process was faster. |
| 19:15 | <HoopyCat> | paulohonte: it usually is; i suspect the e-mail address on file might not be precisely correct |
| 19:16 | <Smark> | ahh, good idea HoopyCat... paulohonte, are you 100% sure you correctly typed your email address? |
| 19:17 | <paulohonte> | yes, but as I can check this? |
| 19:17 | <Smark> | it possible to see the size of /dev/xvdc? IE Used/free? |
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| 19:17 | <Smark> | without mounting that is |
| 19:19 | <orudie> | what is the law in NY for selling cigarrettes without a license ? |
| 19:19 | <orudie> | can you go to jail for that ? |
| 19:20 | <HoopyCat> | paulohonte: comparing notes with someone at linode would be the best way, i figure. they probably sent you an e-mail asking for further information, but it might have bounced or something. impossible to know for sure. |
| 19:20 | <HoopyCat> | Smark: fsck might tell you something... hmm |
| 19:20 | <HoopyCat> | orudie: http://www.health.state.ny.us/prevention/tobacco_control/tobguide.htm |
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| 19:21 | <@jed> | I can almost guarantee the e-mail bounced, because if a signup is held an e-mail automatically goes out |
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| 19:21 | <@jed> | and we had e-mail issues today |
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| 19:21 | <@jed> | paulohonte: I see your signup, wait one |
| 19:22 | <@jed> | yes, it looks like you typoed your e-mail |
| 19:24 | <@jed> | paulohonte: you has message |
| 19:26 | <paulohonte> | :( |
| 19:26 | <@jed> | paulohonte: check your private messages |
| 19:26 | <@jed> | here |
| 19:29 | <@jed> | actually, you know what, don't worry about it -- I activated your account |
| 19:29 | <@jed> | fraudulent folk don't get on IRC and ask |
| 19:29 | <Yaakov> | DON'T CHECK YOUR MESSAGES |
| 19:29 | <Yaakov> | BECAUSE IT IS NOW REDUNDANT |
| 19:30 | * | encode remembers that |
| 19:30 | <encode> | in case of fraud, get on irc and ask |
| 19:31 | <Yaakov> | JED YOU ARE MY FAVORITE AMBASSADOR OF MODERN LITHUANIAN DANCE |
| 19:31 | <@jed> | paulohonte: you're activated, go ahead and log in |
| 19:32 | <encode> | Yaakov: you are the most amusingly annoying user of capslock |
| 19:32 | <Yaakov> | encode: Thank you. |
| 19:32 | <chesty> | WHAT'S THIS CAPSLOCK YOU TALK OF? |
| 19:33 | <Yaakov> | For the record I do not use caps lock. Each message is lovingly handcrafted with my pinky. |
| 19:33 | <encode> | hehe |
| 19:33 | <encode> | s/capslock/all caps/ |
| 19:33 | <paulohonte> | hummmm |
| 19:33 | <@jed> | paulohonte: you're activated, go ahead and login |
| 19:33 | <paulohonte> | EHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH |
| 19:33 | <paulohonte> | :D |
| 19:34 | <@jed> | I'd recommend fixing your e-mail when you get in |
| 19:34 | <paulohonte> | yes.. |
| 19:34 | <paulohonte> | thanks... |
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| 19:35 | <paulohonte> | my email was incorrect!!! |
| 19:35 | <paulohonte> | :( |
| 19:35 | <BarkerJr> | :( |
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| 19:41 | <BarkerJr> | hi Keith! |
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| 19:55 | <chris> | Were all the old UML hosts moved to Xen, or do we still need to intiate a transfer over? |
| 19:55 | <chris> | I reboot so infrequently that I haven't checked |
| 19:55 | <bliblok> | You still need to request it. |
| 19:57 | <chris> | hmm, been on uml since feb04. I don't really feel like rocking the boat |
| 19:59 | <BarkerJr> | is uml bad? |
| 20:00 | <straterra> | Eh..no real reason to run it over XEN |
| 20:01 | <Yaakov> | Unified Markup Language is the bomb. |
| 20:01 | <straterra> | You know what else is the bomb? Spending a week writing software..and having the people who told you to write it say they need it done a different way |
| 20:01 | <encode> | straterra: welcome to the real world |
| 20:01 | <encode> | that happens so many times |
| 20:01 | <chesty> | money in the bank |
| 20:01 | <straterra> | Real world my ass |
| 20:02 | <BarkerJr> | that's why you need to show it to them every day |
| 20:02 | <straterra> | uh.. |
| 20:02 | <BarkerJr> | every hour |
| 20:02 | <chesty> | get everything in writing |
| 20:02 | <straterra> | They had different builds every day..then discovered an issue in their logic.. |
| 20:02 | <straterra> | All because they didn't do any research/discovery before assigning the task |
| 20:02 | <encode> | well in my experience, anything you deliver will need to be changed, because people will invariably think of something later that's "vital" |
| 20:03 | <straterra> | It's not an addition..its a complete rewrite thats needed |
| 20:06 | <BarkerJr> | well shame on you for not thinking of it last week |
| 20:06 | <mwalling> | chris: you dont have to move yet |
| 20:07 | <mwalling> | chris: if you wanted to rock the boat (and get moar cores), open a ticket |
| 20:07 | <chris> | From a slave system perspective, besides more cores is there much of a benefit? |
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| 20:09 | <straterra> | slave system? |
| 20:09 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 20:09 | <BarkerJr> | lol |
| 20:09 | <chris> | or host / child, whatever the terminology the kids use for virtual hosts is now |
| 20:10 | <mwalling> | straterra: dont get ideas |
| 20:10 | <mwalling> | chris: its smarter about IO i think |
| 20:10 | <mwalling> | combined with the cores, it makes it faster |
| 20:10 | <straterra> | mwalling: I didn't know Linode was providing gimps.. |
| 20:10 | <mwalling> | straterra: down boy |
| 20:11 | <straterra> | I got all excited over nothin |
| 20:12 | <paulohonte> | bye, thanks for all... |
| 20:13 | <BarkerJr> | np, cya, have fun |
| 20:15 | <straterra> | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Im0K7t9Ilg8 |
| 20:15 | <straterra> | FEAR |
| 20:17 | <BarkerJr> | that is hot and sexy |
| 20:18 | <mwalling> | FEAR? FEAR your CHICK CAR? |
| 20:18 | <straterra> | If my car had THAT motor..you'd fear |
| 20:18 | <straterra> | YOU'D CRY |
| 20:18 | <mwalling> | i cant watch it |
| 20:18 | <mwalling> | at work |
| 20:19 | <mwalling> | work blockes youtube |
| 20:19 | <straterra> | Its SFW |
| 20:19 | <straterra> | Tunnel around that shit..and why are you at work at 8:20? |
| 20:19 | <BarkerJr> | basely |
| 20:19 | <mwalling> | trying to release |
| 20:19 | <straterra> | That sounds like a personal problem |
| 20:19 | <BarkerJr> | tmi |
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| 20:39 | <chirs> | Is there awhy in centos to limit a size of a folder eg: /etc/svn/reponame to 100mb? |
| 20:40 | <laser`> | No |
| 20:40 | <linbot> | New news from forums: apache, nginx reverse proxy and zenphoto in Linux, Apache, Mysql and PHP (LAMP) Forum <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4639>; |
| 20:40 | <laser`> | Well, kind of |
| 20:40 | <laser`> | If you put it on its own partition you can limit the size of that |
| 20:40 | <mwalling> | chris: you could cron some hate mail |
| 20:40 | <laser`> | Or if it's all owned by one user, you can use quotas or something |
| 20:40 | <laser`> | But I don't think it'st hat straight forward |
| 20:41 | <chirs> | hmm okay i need to find the best woraround as i am going to host a number of svn's for some people and i only want them to use 100mb. |
| 20:42 | <mwalling> | could you use a precommit hook? |
| 20:42 | <mwalling> | precommit checks repo size (cached value), postcommit hook updates that cache with the addition of that commit |
| 20:42 | <laser`> | The problem with SVN repos is that they don't really decrease in size |
| 20:42 | <laser`> | So once they've reached 100 MBs, that's it |
| 20:43 | <mwalling> | down side would be that if someone had 99MB, and then checked in 4 dvd isos, you're f'd |
| 20:44 | <meff> | heya i have a quick question.. a friend of mine in russia, normally pulling 100-150kB/s from USA, is getting speeds like 4kB-6kB/s from dallas154.. |
| 20:44 | <mwalling> | !downloads |
| 20:44 | <mwalling> | !download |
| 20:44 | <linbot> | http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2636 |
| 20:46 | <meff> | hrm |
| 20:46 | <meff> | how does that apply? |
| 20:47 | <chesty> | !mtr |
| 20:47 | <linbot> | mtr combines the functionality of traceroute and ping into one easy to use tool, and the output can be useful for determining where the source of a problem is. It can be downloaded from http://www.bitwizard.nl/mtr/ or http://winmtr.sourceforge.net/ for Windows. MTR summaries can be retrieved in-channel using the command !mtr-CITY where CITY is fremont, atlanta, newark or dallas. |
| 20:47 | <meff> | aite. |
| 20:48 | <chirs> | ummm ture unless i make a script that reads the size of the repo folder and do a "if repo folder >= 100mb remove users wrtie premission" and have a cron run every 1hour or something |
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| 20:49 | <BarkerJr> | every minute! |
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| 20:49 | <chirs> | Then that would put a lot of load on the server no? |
| 20:50 | <BarkerJr> | nah, linux will cache the directory |
| 20:50 | <mwalling> | could do that in the commit hooks to though, couldnt you? |
| 20:50 | <mwalling> | and no, i dont think running du would be that bad |
| 20:50 | <chirs> | du? |
| 20:51 | <mwalling> | du(1) |
| 20:51 | <BarkerJr> | du -hs / |
| 20:51 | <mwalling> | DESCRIPTION Summarize disk usage of each FILE, recursively for directories. |
| 20:53 | <chirs> | oh i was going to make a php script and then get the system to wget the file. |
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| 20:56 | <BarkerJr> | if [ `du -sb / | awk {'print $1'}` -gt 1024 ]; then echo 'Hai!'; fi |
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| 20:57 | <BarkerJr> | no need to fire up the php interpriter |
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| 21:04 | <BarkerJr> | awe man, all that typing and he times out |
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| 21:48 | <mwalling> | straterra: i'm still at work :P |
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| 21:51 | <straterra> | mwalling: why |
| 21:51 | <mwalling> | trying to release |
| 21:53 | <straterra> | oh..while you were at work, I built another engine :P |
| 21:53 | <mwalling> | for your vchick car? |
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| 21:54 | <straterra> | oh yes |
| 21:54 | <straterra> | 1 cyl |
| 21:54 | <Smark[Gone]> | dallas having trouble? |
| 21:54 | <Smark[Gone]> | my linode is unreachable |
| 21:55 | <Smark[Gone]> | !mtr-fremont spectralcoding.com |
| 21:55 | <mwalling> | !mtr-newark dallas150.linode.com |
| 21:55 | <linbot> | Smark[Gone]: [mtr] spectralcoding.com: 8 hops, ???: 100.0%/0.0ms (These results brought to you by urmom and the number 42) |
| 21:55 | <linbot> | mwalling: [mtr] dallas150.linode.com: 11 hops, no loss, last hop average RTT was 39.9ms |
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| 21:55 | <Smark[Gone]> | !mtr-fremont dallas187.linode.com |
| 21:55 | <linbot> | Smark[Gone]: [mtr] dallas187.linode.com: 8 hops, no loss, last hop average RTT was 42.1ms (These results brought to you by urmom and the number 42) |
| 21:55 | <Smark[Gone]> | so, where to from here? |
| 21:55 | <mwalling> | !lish |
| 21:55 | <linbot> | LISH allows you to perform certain actions without having to log into the LPM. Lish's primary function is to allow you access to your server's console, even if networking is disabled. http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php/Lish_Documentation |
| 21:56 | <@tasaro> | we're working on dallas187, update in the forum shortly |
| 21:56 | <mwalling> | oh |
| 21:56 | <mwalling> | or that |
| 21:56 | * | hercynium hugs his linode |
| 21:56 | <Smark[Gone]> | ah ok, thanks tasaro, thought it was my server. |
| 21:56 | <hercynium> | that is all |
| 21:56 | <Smark[Gone]> | er, just my linode |
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| 21:56 | <Smark[Gone]> | woo, linode is booting |
| 21:58 | <Smark[Gone]> | Job Entered 01/03/1974 10:00:00 PM <-- bug in the LPM |
| 21:59 | <mwalling> | no |
| 21:59 | <linbot> | New news from forums: Reboot: dallas187 in System and Network Status <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4640>; |
| 21:59 | <@tasaro> | ^ no, it's done that way to make sure it happens before anything you may have placed in there |
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| 21:59 | <Smark[Gone]> | ah, ok |
| 22:00 | <Smark[Gone]> | hmm, my Linode does not appear to be booting even though the restart job was issue ~6min ago. |
| 22:01 | <Smark[Gone]> | nevermind, right after i hit enter it started |
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| 22:02 | <mwalling> | Smark[Gone]: realize, there's n other linodes booting at the same time as you (well, staggered boot jobs, but point stands) |
| 22:02 | <mwalling> | where n is the number of other linodes on th ehost |
| 22:02 | <Smark> | ah, they're staggered |
| 22:06 | <Lucent> | dallas186 has still dodged the problems |
| 22:06 | <Lucent> | we keep a clean house on 186 |
| 22:06 | * | mwalling snickers |
| 22:06 | * | mwalling gets someone to knock the mains out of 186... |
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| 22:09 | <Smark> | Two hours until its midnight EST, correct? |
| 22:10 | <BP{k}> | no. |
| 22:10 | <BP{k}> | 1 hour and 50 minutes. |
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| 22:15 | <Lucent> | how do i insert bytes into a utf8 field in mysql? |
| 22:15 | <Lucent> | \xAA? |
| 22:16 | <mwalling> | maybe i should go home |
| 22:16 | <mwalling> | or i could stay here till tomorrow |
| 22:17 | <amitz> | stay |
| 22:17 | <mwalling> | amitz: i'm still at the office |
| 22:17 | <BP{k}> | mwalling: crawl up under the desk ;) |
| 22:17 | <amitz> | oh, go home :-) |
| 22:18 | <amitz> | I thought you're somewhere else and I thought "why not seek variety by sleeping somewhere else you rarely sleep in" :-p |
| 22:19 | <amitz> | takes too long to go/return from/to the office? |
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| 22:20 | <mwalling> | no |
| 22:21 | <amitz> | hmm my linode's bandwidth is fluctuating. From 10KB/s to 500KB/s |
| 22:21 | <mwalling> | 5 minutes by car, 15 by biike |
| 22:22 | <amitz> | That's close unlike some stories I heard, something like 1 to 2 hours and it's like in different city. |
| 22:23 | <Smark> | amitz, my old Linode's bandwidth has been running at 9M/s for the past ~6 hours. |
| 22:23 | <amitz> | mine is done, 9 minutes 7 seconds, averaging WTF 15.4K/s ? |
| 22:24 | <Smark> | you wgetting from a slow server? |
| 22:24 | <amitz> | 100%[======================================>] 96,449,656 15.4K/s in 9m 7s |
| 22:24 | <@caker> | mmmmmmmmm ttttttttt rrrrrrrrr |
| 22:24 | <amitz> | hmm.. probably. I'm so used to bottleneck in my side that I forget that the bottleneck may be on their side :-p |
| 22:24 | <Smark> | its probably one of those south african servers, that are slower than homing pidgeons. |
| 22:25 | <mwalling> | uuuuuuuurrrrrrrrmmmmmmmmmmmoooooooooooommmmmmmmmmm |
| 22:25 | <amitz> | the number doesn't add up.. |
| 22:25 | <mwalling> | !hezbz |
| 22:25 | <linbot> | mwalling: Lb zbzzn'f fb sng, rira Ivfgn zbirf snfgre guna ure (828:0/4) [zhebz] |
| 22:25 | <Smark> | ^--- words of wisdom |
| 22:26 | <Smark> | i also noticed that the "dd if=/dev/xvdb | cat" downloads unused space also. |
| 22:26 | <Smark> | which is somewhat annoying |
| 22:26 | <mwalling> | yes... |
| 22:26 | <mwalling> | also, thats useless useage of cat |
| 22:27 | * | Smark points at http://library.linode.com/linode-manager/ssh-disk-copy |
| 22:27 | <Smark> | caker, you guys ever figure out what happened to dallas187? |
| 22:29 | <Deathvalley122> | can someone help me set up my second ip for my vps? |
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| 22:32 | <mwalling> | Deathvalley122: did you follow the documentation? |
| 22:32 | <@pparadis> | Deathvalley122: http://library.linode.com/networking/configuring-static-ip-interfaces |
| 22:40 | <Deathvalley122> | mwalling: I am not very good setting stuff up like that ... |
| 22:40 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 22:40 | <Deathvalley122> | lol |
| 22:40 | <chesty> | i'll do it for you for $300, or you can have a go |
| 22:41 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 22:41 | <Deathvalley122> | lol |
| 22:41 | <Deathvalley122> | that's if I had $300 |
| 22:41 | <chesty> | sell your linode for cash |
| 22:42 | <chesty> | !urmom gas |
| 22:42 | <linbot> | chesty: Yo momma's so stupid she sold her car for gas money! (768:1/3) [rmuom] |
| 22:42 | <MJCS> | anyone know anything about mental ray? |
| 22:42 | <amitz> | help me setup X11 forwarding, for $100! |
| 22:42 | <chesty> | ssh -X |
| 22:42 | <mwalling> | amitz: -Y |
| 22:42 | <mwalling> | !n |
| 22:42 | <linbot> | Another satisfied customer. NEXT! |
| 22:42 | <amitz> | note I do not specify the dollar type :-p |
| 22:43 | <chesty> | I'll take $100 in any currency |
| 22:43 | <Smark> | "I'll take a hundred dollars in any currency" |
| 22:43 | * | amitz googles while sweating |
| 22:43 | <Smark> | did you just say that? |
| 22:44 | <chesty> | yes, send them in |
| 22:44 | <amitz> | phew, yeah, zimbabwe use dollar :-D |
| 22:44 | * | pparadis hands chesty 100 obamabux |
| 22:44 | <chesty> | zimbabwe doesn't have $100 i don't think |
| 22:45 | <chesty> | amitz: what's the smallest zimbabwe note? |
| 22:45 | <amitz> | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zimbabwean_dollar |
| 22:45 | <MJCS> | so nobody familiar with maya mental ray? |
| 22:46 | <amitz> | well, I'll give you more but then you owe me :-) |
| 22:46 | <chesty> | no, I'll only accept $100 |
| 22:48 | <amitz> | you're being unreasonable! I'll see you in court :-p |
| 22:49 | <chesty> | they might have a $25 coin, you could send me 4 of those |
| 22:49 | * | amitz wonders how many people sue because they feel some people/corporation in power step on them. |
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| 22:51 | <amitz> | chesty: you pay for the postage using a delivery service of my choice. |
| 22:51 | <chesty> | um, no. |
| 22:52 | <amitz> | uh, amitz cancel the incorporation of APS. |
| 22:54 | <amitz> | heh, it seems my ISP throttles beyond previously agreed rate and now they offer an option to unthrottle for a very high price. |
| 22:57 | <pwnguin> | MJCS: actually, ive been looking at renderman |
| 22:57 | <amitz> | damn, I should apply for a new service ASAP before competitors increase prices. |
| 22:57 | <pwnguin> | MJCS: but if we cant get educational licensing, we'll have to look at mental ray |
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| 23:03 | <naarrp> | what do you need to know about ray? |
| 23:04 | <naarrp> | MJCS: ah, I guess you went. |
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| 23:10 | <ALiveGeek> | Is anyone available to answer a few pre-sales questions? |
| 23:11 | <Pryon> | Give it a shot |
| 23:12 | <ALiveGeek> | Im looking for new hosting for my public webbased proxy servers, I looked through the faq and found nothing specific to proxys but I wanted to make sure it was ok before i purchased |
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| 23:13 | <Pryon> | If it's not illegal and doesn't interfere with other users, then it's okay. |
| 23:14 | <ALiveGeek> | I see, it was this "Any act relating to the circumvention of security measures." i was concerned about, as alot of my traffic is from school kids getting passed webfitlers |
| 23:16 | <Pryon> | You'd have to get clarification from linode on that. The ops in this channel are linode staff. |
| 23:16 | <ALiveGeek> | Ofcourse, thank you |
| 23:16 | <Pryon> | You might get a faster/more official response via email, though, as it's late in NJ. |
| 23:16 | <ALiveGeek> | I think I will. Have a good night ! |
| 23:16 | <Pryon> | thanks. You too. |
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| 23:16 | <chris1> | Whats the best why to go about emails like me@mydomain.com |
| 23:16 | <Pryon> | set up a mail server and create an MX record pointing to your linode |
| 23:16 | <Pryon> | (IMHO) |
| 23:16 | <Pryon> | Others will suggest using gmail |
| 23:17 | <chesty> | google apps |
| 23:17 | <@pparadis> | chris1: http://library.linode.com/email-guides/ |
| 23:17 | <jtsage> | chris1- depends on what you really want. plenty of options to do in on the linode, google apps is also an option (which i use for mine - i only really need a forwarder, so it works well) |
| 23:18 | <chris1> | All i want to have the email for is like sales support for my site. |
| 23:19 | <chesty> | the trouble with hosting your own email is dealing with spam uses a lot of memory and IO |
| 23:19 | <bob2> | and sanity |
| 23:20 | <chris1> | is google apps free? |
| 23:20 | <Andrew> | nope chris1 |
| 23:20 | <@pparadis> | standard edition |
| 23:20 | <Andrew> | I actually checked that 20mins ago |
| 23:20 | <Andrew> | wait.. its free |
| 23:21 | <@pparadis> | yah |
| 23:21 | <Andrew> | I thought you mean gmail corporate |
| 23:21 | <@pparadis> | but honestly, setting up your own mail server isn't difficult. |
| 23:21 | <chris1> | Ye but as pointed out spam could become a issue. |
| 23:22 | <@pparadis> | if you install citadel you can turn on spamassasin easily |
| 23:22 | <@pparadis> | whatever works for you |
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| 23:22 | <@pparadis> | google apps is fine for many users |
| 23:22 | <sackler> | self serve resize \o/ |
| 23:22 | <@pparadis> | :) |
| 23:23 | <chris1> | I mite start off the google apps and if i need more control later on i can move over to my server. |
| 23:23 | <@pparadis> | sure |
| 23:25 | <chris1> | As i see on linodes page that debian is used a lot and centos is not. whats the big diffrents from them? like does one use less ram and space or?? |
| 23:25 | <Andrew> | Centos is basically redhat enterprise |
| 23:25 | <Andrew> | so it uses RPM's |
| 23:25 | <sackler> | debian has excellent package management |
| 23:25 | <@pparadis> | major differences include package management, filesystem layouts, freshness of packages, etc |
| 23:25 | <Andrew> | But so does redhat.. |
| 23:25 | <@pparadis> | that's highly debatable |
| 23:26 | <supine> | rpm is a package mismanager |
| 23:26 | <@pparadis> | as someone who's been using both for ten years, i can't really recommend centos for any deployment where RHEL isn't already being used. |
| 23:26 | <bob2> | debian has debian policy |
| 23:26 | <bob2> | rpm vs dpkg is a bit silly |
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| 23:26 | <chris1> | okay so they used about the same drive space and ram on a bare-bone install? |
| 23:27 | <@pparadis> | it comes down to what you're most comfortable with, and what will best support your use cas4. |
| 23:27 | <Andrew> | it has more to do what you choose to do with it anyway.. |
| 23:27 | <@pparadis> | case, even |
| 23:27 | <chesty> | more people in this channel use ubuntu which means you'll get better help if you choose ubuntu |
| 23:27 | <Andrew> | someone said that when choosing a distro, just choose the one your gf/mates use, so you can get support easier |
| 23:27 | <@pparadis> | yeah, most of our deployments are debian or ubuntu. |
| 23:28 | <@mikegrb> | ! people still use slackware?!?! |
| 23:28 | <Andrew> | Slackware is also REALLY manageable, great for beginners |
| 23:28 | <@pparadis> | interesting stats --> http://www.linode.com/about/index.cfm |
| 23:28 | <@pparadis> | Andrew is going to hell for saying that |
| 23:28 | <Andrew> | I'm surprised Ubuntu is more common then debian |
| 23:28 | <Andrew> | .. |
| 23:28 | <Andrew> | Meh, so what else is new |
| 23:29 | <Andrew> | slackware isn't even on the list.. |
| 23:29 | <@pparadis> | the stats are a bit dated, i wouldn't be surprised if debian and ubuntu swapped places every now and again |
| 23:29 | <@pparadis> | Andrew: our ten Slackware users would be highly offended by that comment ;) |
| 23:29 | * | jtsage changes his mailing address to a PO box in antartica to see the country list increment. (probably anyway) |
| 23:29 | <Andrew> | No.. its not even on the list.. look at the stats you posted.. I think you guys aren't giving slackware a chance to succeed |
| 23:30 | <@pparadis> | there's very few differences between a debian lenny and ubuntu jaunty install, really. |
| 23:30 | <BP{k}> | pparadis: that's a silly statement. There are at least 11 ;) |
| 23:30 | <Andrew> | is that how many linodes you own BP{k} ? |
| 23:30 | <@pparadis> | lolz |
| 23:31 | <BP{k}> | hehe |
| 23:31 | <chris1> | as i want to try something new so if i deploy debian are command all most the same for compling things by hand and not the pakage manager? |
| 23:32 | <@pparadis> | if you mean "./configure && make && make install" then yes |
| 23:32 | <@pparadis> | be sure you "apt-get install build-essential" |
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| 23:32 | <bob2> | remember that everything you compile from source is something that you have to maintain by hand forever |
| 23:32 | <@pparadis> | +1 ^ |
| 23:32 | <bob2> | so check carefully if there's a suitable package in debian already |
| 23:32 | <Andrew> | is there any reason you are compiling anything chris1? |
| 23:33 | <@pparadis> | probably rails-related ;) |
| 23:33 | * | pparadis is bitter |
| 23:33 | <Andrew> | Never used rails actually.. but heard very good things |
| 23:34 | <chris1> | Nah php as my system only runs on the latest php5.3 and i like to have the latest lighttpd. |
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| 23:34 | <bob2> | what new backwards incompatible features did php add in 5.3? |
| 23:35 | <chris> | My money is on closures |
| 23:35 | <bob2> | wow, they outinnovated java |
| 23:35 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 23:35 | <chris1> | its some of the things used with in classes i could make it run on 5.2 but i am to lazy to go though the hole code adding like 3 more lines lol |
| 23:35 | * | pparadis sez his money is on sticking with Perl, as it hasn't let him down in fifteen years ;) |
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| 23:36 | <bob2> | recompiling php everytime there's an issue must suck |
| 23:37 | <chris1> | ;) how often does deb update there pakages? is there a site that shows that versions they have? |
| 23:37 | <chris> | packages.debian.org |
| 23:37 | <SelfishMan> | !avail-tp |
| 23:37 | <@pparadis> | httphttp://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
| 23:37 | <linbot> | SelfishMan: Dallas360 - 55, Dallas540 - 41, Dallas720 - 38, Dallas1080 - 21, Dallas1440 - 15, Dallas2880 - 2, Dallas5760 - 1, Dallas8640 - 1, Dallas11520 - 1, Dallas14400 - 1 |
| 23:38 | <@pparadis> | http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages rather |
| 23:38 | <chris> | also, hi bob2. I haven't spoken to you since the bleh days |
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| 23:39 | <@pparadis> | chris1: debian has a history of favoring high stability over package freshness. if you need more recent versions of major packages than they offer, you may wish to try ubuntu instead. |
| 23:40 | <chris> | That seems a bit backwards, unless you're not taking sid into account |
| 23:40 | <@pparadis> | not at all |
| 23:40 | <@pparadis> | Debian "stable" is meant to be just that. |
| 23:40 | <chris> | I mean to say, if he wants bleeding edge with debian he can get it |
| 23:40 | <@pparadis> | yeah, but that's not a great idea for a production server. |
| 23:41 | <SelfishMan> | is 'urmom' no longer a valid promo code? |
| 23:41 | * | pparadis slaps SelfishMan |
| 23:41 | <@pparadis> | !urmom |
| 23:41 | <linbot> | pparadis: Yo momma's so stupid, she keeps clicking the link to http://tjsmom.com/hawt (835:0/0) [umrom] |
| 23:41 | <@pparadis> | huh? that's a _great_ pic! |
| 23:41 | <SelfishMan> | I was going to add a new node but since I was just slapped I say screw you guys I'll take my business elsewhere |
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| 23:42 | * | pparadis cries |
| 23:42 | * | pparadis hugs SelfishMan |
| 23:43 | <sackler> | hah |
| 23:43 | <SelfishMan> | pparadis: Don't worry, I ordered one anyway |
| 23:43 | <@pparadis> | win |
| 23:43 | <SelfishMan> | EVEN THOUGH I WAS TREATED SO POORLY |
| 23:43 | <SelfishMan> | pparadis: WHY DO YOU LOVE ME WITH YOUR FISTS? |
| 23:43 | <@pparadis> | I HAVE ALMOST AS GREAT A LOVE FOR YOU AS I DO FOR YAAKOV, BUT NOT QUITE |
| 23:44 | <supine> | can you do a de-referral ? where someone has to pay double next month? |
| 23:44 | * | pparadis just got a really disturbing visual involving a fist and SelfishMan |
| 23:44 | <sackler> | linode customer service comes standard with 1 complimentary slap with a large trout |
| 23:44 | <palintheus> | oh God |
| 23:44 | <sackler> | per month |
| 23:45 | * | pparadis makes sure supine pays double next month. |
| 23:45 | <sackler> | if you admit to using windows. |
| 23:45 | <@pparadis> | +5 ^ |
| 23:45 | <supine> | pparadis: should balance out the better exchange rate! |
| 23:45 | <@pparadis> | hey, we've got obamabux! america has limitless currency, you'll see! |
| 23:46 | * | supine my name is marty and i used windows once. i have been windows free for 2 months now. |
| 23:46 | <@pparadis> | HI MARTY |
| 23:46 | * | Syrogen wonder anyone signup for linode for months and leave it idle for months too? |
| 23:47 | <@pparadis> | supine: Step 1 --> Admitting that I am powerless over the influence of Microsoft, that my life has become unmanageable. |
| 23:47 | <supine> | actually, i'd like to thank Microsoft for the free windows 7 beta. it allowed me to use the stupid .au tax software inside virtualbox. |
| 23:48 | <@pparadis> | supine: funny you should mention that... it's what i use to do screenshots of windows apps for the library ;) |
| 23:48 | <@pparadis> | THANKS FOR THE FREE OS, MS! |
| 23:48 | <chris1> | why not just use a genuine oem ;) |
| 23:48 | <@pparadis> | negative shipmate |
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| 23:49 | <supine> | chris1: you're presuming that something has been bought with the MS-tax |
| 23:49 | * | pparadis goes to smoke |
| 23:49 | <@pparadis> | and points out that linode uses Macs on the desktop on the way out to have a cig. |
| 23:49 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 23:49 | <chris1> | what i am a Mac user. the only windows i got is one that come with a computer lol |
| 23:51 | <chris1> | whats windows7 like any whys? |
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| 23:51 | <Andrew> | good |
| 23:52 | <encode> | win7 is way better than any other microsoft OS imho |
| 23:52 | <encode> | they've borrowed a lot of nice ideas from OS x |
| 23:53 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 23:53 | <chris1> | LOL OSX 10.6 is nice (using it right now) love the why you plug a printer in and you do not have to install the drivers. |
| 23:53 | <Andrew> | I wouldn't say they borrowed them.. |
| 23:54 | <Andrew> | they were pretty standard usability concepts |
| 23:54 | <Andrew> | but 10.6 i reckon is pretty much the same as 10.5 |
| 23:54 | <Andrew> | Its what MS would call a service pack |
| 23:55 | <@pparadis> | i agree that with that ^ |
| 23:55 | <@pparadis> | i still say 2000/2003 were the best operating systems microsoft ever put out. |
| 23:55 | <Andrew> | the difference is, we will get OpenCL and such for free (because Nvidia will just include them with their drivers).. On OSX you need to pay for it |
| 23:55 | * | pparadis used to be a win32 developer in a long-ago past life |
| 23:56 | * | Andrew never touched MFC in his life.. went straight to GTK/QT |
| 23:56 | <@pparadis> | i'll take my MBP "UNIX with a pretty GUI" any day, and i'm also a fan of ubuntu on the desktop for a lot of use cases. |
| 23:56 | <Andrew> | Used to work at an Applecentre, I switched from OSX :P |
| 23:57 | <@pparadis> | i actually switched to MacOS from Ubuntu on my primary workstations. |
| 23:57 | <@pparadis> | i still run Debian on the server :) |
| 23:58 | <@pparadis> | good old debian doesn't let me down. |
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| 23:59 | <chris1> | I thought OSX was a build off of BSD. |
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