| --- | Log | opened Sun Jan 11 00:00:00 2009 |
| 00:00 | <mwalling> | vi: my issue is i keep window open too long, session times out, and when i log in, it cant get back where i was (it tries, but when it goes through te linode chooser, it loses its next step) |
| 00:00 | <vi> | that's totally lame |
| 00:01 | <tsp> | How often do you bring up the linode manager anyway? |
| 00:01 | <vi> | when I need to change something |
| 00:01 | <vi> | (not often) |
| 00:02 | -!- | spearson [~scott@pool-173-70-45-87.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined #linode |
| 00:02 | <b4> | every few weeks |
| 00:02 | <spearson> | hello |
| 00:02 | <DephNet[Paul]> | hey spearson |
| 00:03 | <tsp> | When it comes down to linode vs slicehost, Linode wins at least bandwidth wise |
| 00:04 | <mwalling> | vi: they are working on the awesomely awesome linode backup solution (Duke Linode Forever), so i think other stuff has been demoted |
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| 00:04 | <vi> | that's a shame |
| 00:05 | <b4> | linode needs a datacenter in texas. |
| 00:05 | <mwalling> | b4: you're a moran |
| 00:05 | <mwalling> | http://www.theshore.net/~caker/pics/Linode/linode-backups.png <-- indicates control panel changes, maybe this suff will be in that push |
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| 00:07 | <spearson> | doesn't linode have a datecenter in dallas? |
| 00:07 | <mwalling> | spearson: yes |
| 00:08 | <spearson> | well, i knew the answer before i asked because the guy who referred me to linode has his server in dallas =\ |
| 00:09 | <mwalling> | all of mine are dallas as well (i'd be in newark, but i CBA to move) |
| 00:09 | <neale> | my host's disk appears to be getting nailed by another linode again |
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| 00:09 | <spearson> | the one i have now is in newark and i lvoe it :P |
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| 00:10 | <spearson> | im thinking of expanding if i have the money :) linode is great |
| 00:10 | <b4> | the newark DC ftw |
| 00:11 | <spearson> | i live in New Jersey about 20 minutes from the datacenter, good stuff |
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| 00:11 | <b4> | i live in ohio |
| 00:11 | <spearson> | nwrknj.fios.verizon.net <- my isp |
| 00:12 | <spearson> | so THATS why :D |
| 00:12 | <phennessy> | Mmmmmm fiber |
| 00:12 | <DephNet[Paul]> | vi, just thinking, if the only reason for you canceling your account with Linode is because they have opted to use sessions in the Linode Manager then that means they are doing something right |
| 00:12 | <phennessy> | newark has been good to me |
| 00:12 | <vi> | dephnet? |
| 00:12 | <vi> | how is that them doing something right? |
| 00:12 | <DephNet[Paul]> | besides, if you *did* add RAM to the wrong Linode why not take it off and add it to the right one? |
| 00:13 | <vi> | the same thing can (and almost did) happen to a shutdown |
| 00:13 | <b4> | mines currently columbus.res.rr.com |
| 00:13 | <vi> | if I'm doing operations on the wrong system |
| 00:13 | <vi> | that's more than just a little problem |
| 00:13 | <b4> | normally it's dsl.wotnoh.ameritech.net |
| 00:13 | <DephNet[Paul]> | vi, because your not canceling because of a problem with something other than the Linode Manager? |
| 00:14 | <vi> | that's the dumbest rational I've heard in a long time |
| 00:14 | <DephNet[Paul]> | vi, why? |
| 00:15 | <mwalling> | hes saying that there isnt an issue with your linode itsself... like a laggy disk, bad network, etc |
| 00:15 | <mwalling> | its simply an issue where the LPM is not "thread safe" |
| 00:15 | <DephNet[Paul]> | or are you saying there is a problem elsewhere but the issue of how caker coded the Linode Manager is head and shoulders above the others? |
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| 00:16 | <vi> | the way that the Linode Manager is written (or how it behaves) makes me question all other judgements that they've made in the rest of the system |
| 00:16 | <DephNet[Paul]> | vi, why? because its not how YOU would have done it? |
| 00:17 | <dstufft> | only caught the second half the conversation), then it should be fixed |
| 00:17 | <dstufft> | hm |
| 00:17 | <vi> | because there is not a single valid argument as to why it should be the way it is |
| 00:17 | <dstufft> | missed half my line there >.< |
| 00:17 | <vi> | it is not more intuitive |
| 00:18 | <vi> | it does not help prevent their customers from not making mistakes |
| 00:19 | <DephNet[Paul]> | vi, perhaps their customers, ie YOU, should check double check and triple check, what linode they are carrying the actions out on before confirming its the right Linode ;) |
| 00:19 | <vi> | dude, there's nothing to double-check |
| 00:20 | <dstufft> | eh |
| 00:20 | <dstufft> | the LPM is flawed from waht i hear |
| 00:20 | <vi> | if I hit the "shutdown" button on the first host after I've (in a different window) browser to a second host |
| 00:20 | <vi> | it will shutdown the second host, not the first one |
| 00:20 | <vi> | that's not the right thing to do |
| 00:20 | <vi> | it's just wrong |
| 00:20 | <dstufft> | but their human, people do things differently and imo its a bug |
| 00:20 | <vi> | not sort of confusing, or something the user should do |
| 00:20 | <dstufft> | and should be changed ! |
| 00:21 | <DephNet[Paul]> | vi, if you hit the shutdown button it *should* throw up a box asking you to confirm its the right linode |
| 00:21 | <vi> | no |
| 00:21 | <mwalling> | DephNet[Paul]: no |
| 00:21 | <vi> | dude. the answer is they need to be actually storing the object you're acting on in the URL |
| 00:21 | <vi> | not in a cookie (or in the session) |
| 00:21 | <DephNet[Paul]> | dstufft, how is it a bug? it would only be a bug if it didnt do what caker wanted it to do |
| 00:21 | <spearson> | is this channel about bashing Linode or is this just one of those moments? :\ |
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| 00:22 | * | mwalling ignores DephNet[Paul] before he says something stupid. |
| 00:22 | <dstufft> | I think linode is great ^^ |
| 00:22 | <DephNet[Paul]> | mwalling, perhaps thats what needs to happen :P |
| 00:22 | <mwalling> | spearson: vi discovered a "race condition" in the LPM |
| 00:22 | <mwalling> | DephNet[Paul]: not lke you're saying anything constructive |
| 00:22 | <dstufft> | but that doesn't mean i think they are gods and did everything right |
| 00:23 | <mwalling> | and when did google apps get a new favicon? |
| 00:23 | <DephNet[Paul]> | mwalling, why? because i dont agree with vi |
| 00:23 | <DephNet[Paul]> | mwalling, all of google has a new favicon |
| 00:23 | <dstufft> | i seriously doubt caker meant for the to to happen like that |
| 00:23 | <mwalling> | DephNet[Paul]: because you're essentially calling vi an idoit because he tried to work on two linodes at once |
| 00:23 | <dstufft> | to be able tos hutdown or modify a linode other then tthe one that is currently displayed ont hat page |
| 00:23 | <mwalling> | either that or i drank too much vodka |
| 00:24 | <spearson> | oh boy. Red Dawn is on Spike TV |
| 00:25 | <Eman> | wow |
| 00:25 | <Eman> | just be happy you can even have multiple linodes per account |
| 00:25 | <DephNet[Paul]> | mwalling, did i? if i did then im sorry vi, but i cant see the problem, and yes I have worked on more than one linode at a time |
| 00:26 | <mwalling> | DephNet[Paul]: in two tabs? |
| 00:26 | <dstufft> | <Eman> just be happy you can even have multiple linodes per account |
| 00:26 | <@mikegrb> | roflz |
| 00:26 | <dstufft> | rofl |
| 00:26 | <@mikegrb> | roflz |
| 00:26 | <b4> | rofl |
| 00:26 | <DephNet[Paul]> | mwalling, add a couple more and your a winner :P |
| 00:26 | <mwalling> | also, when you click reboot from the linode's tab, it just says "you sure"? the linodes name isnt in the alert box at all |
| 00:27 | <DephNet[Paul]> | mwalling, well, that needs changing, at the very least |
| 00:27 | <dstufft> | it would be better to change it so that the linode that the button should be acting on is part of the button |
| 00:27 | <vi> | it wouldn't even say the correct hostname if it was a popup |
| 00:27 | <vi> | because that would be via javascript, which would put the hostname that the user thought they were rebooting |
| 00:28 | <dstufft> | like if the button is submiting a form, use a hidden field that says the id of the linode |
| 00:28 | <vi> | but the object in the session may not match |
| 00:28 | <DephNet[Paul]> | vi, it could say the device name |
| 00:28 | <mwalling> | vi: right, cause CFM would generate the alert box text, then the session object as you moved around |
| 00:28 | <mwalling> | er |
| 00:28 | <mwalling> | wow, you're fast |
| 00:28 | <mwalling> | or i'm drunk |
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| 00:28 | <dstufft> | only if it called via ajax to get the device name that is in the session |
| 00:29 | <vi> | which is 10 times more effort than just putting the info required in all of the URLs |
| 00:29 | <dstufft> | but it would be far superior to make the button do what you would suspect |
| 00:29 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 00:29 | <dstufft> | then to be like lol make sure you read this! |
| 00:32 | <dstufft> | mikegrb: mind if i send you a pm? |
| 00:32 | <b4> | !dns com.com |
| 00:32 | <linbot> | b4: 216.239.113.101 |
| 00:36 | <res0> | mikegrb isn't actually there |
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| 00:38 | <b4> | bbl |
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| 00:47 | <Peng_> | Google has a new favicon? How new? |
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| 00:48 | <jtsage> | Peng_ - a few days. It was on the blog either yesterday or the day before |
| 00:51 | <mwalling> | google.com's favicon looks the same to me |
| 00:51 | <mwalling> | the google apps favicon is different |
| 00:52 | <mwalling> | http://www.google.com/favicon.ico != https://www.google.com/favicon.ico |
| 00:55 | <jtsage> | huh. didn't realize. i pretty much never actually load the google homepage, so i wasn't paying attention. |
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| 00:59 | <mwalling> | https is the "new" one |
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| 00:59 | <mwalling> | (at least IMO) |
| 01:00 | <res0> | they're both new, mwalling |
| 01:00 | <res0> | or they are for me |
| 01:00 | <mwalling> | they the same for you? |
| 01:00 | <res0> | maybe you still have the old one cached |
| 01:00 | <mwalling> | i have the lowercase stylized g as my http: favico |
| 01:01 | <res0> | i have the multi-colored new thing |
| 01:01 | <mwalling> | ah |
| 01:01 | <mwalling> | i've only got that for https: |
| 01:01 | <jtsage> | huh. on a different machine, i have to new one. must have been cached here too :) |
| 01:01 | <mwalling> | and i've got a mail loop |
| 01:01 | * | mwalling glares at the vodka bottle |
| 01:02 | <jtsage> | pretty offtopic, but anybody running an old dell laptop by any chance? inspiron or something like that... |
| 01:02 | <reillyeon> | jtsage: inspiron 600m old enough? |
| 01:03 | <jtsage> | i'm curious why once or twice a day it hardlocks and the caps / num lock leds blink in unison... dunno if it's heat (not any hotter than usual, which isn't saying much), or some other problem |
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| 01:03 | <mwalling> | jtsage: how old? |
| 01:03 | <reillyeon> | jtsage: that |
| 01:03 | <reillyeon> | jtsage: that's a kernel panic, ACPI should offer a thermal sensor |
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| 01:04 | <jtsage> | mwalling: at a guess? 5-6yrs i think. barely runs ubuntu these days, but still works |
| 01:04 | <reillyeon> | jtsage: run memtest86+ |
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| 01:04 | <jtsage> | reillyeon - i'll give that a shot |
| 01:05 | <jtsage> | if it finally dies, it's just going to provide the motivation i need to replace it. pure web / irc / ssh machine these days |
| 01:05 | <reillyeon> | When mine overheats (leave it on in a backpack, oops) it shuts itself off. |
| 01:06 | <jtsage> | yeah, this one does that sometimes too :) |
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| 01:07 | <jtsage> | never occured to me to check memory. not sure why. i had it open recently too, wonder if one of them isn't seated quite right... |
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| 01:07 | <jtsage> | (or i managed to zap it, etc, etc) |
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| 01:17 | <Peng_> | https://www.google.com/favicon.ico is new to me. http isn't. |
| 01:17 | <Peng_> | It's neat. |
| 01:17 | <Peng_> | Ehh, I still like the old one better though, but maybe that's just cuz I'm used to it. |
| 01:23 | <Solver> | Peng_: reminds of a Picasso |
| 01:23 | <Solver> | :) |
| 01:25 | <mwalling> | heh |
| 01:25 | <mwalling> | woot |
| 01:25 | <mwalling> | mail loop recovered |
| 01:25 | * | mwalling wonders if he should cut over his MXs |
| 01:25 | <Peng_> | "mail loop"? |
| 01:25 | <CaptObviousman> | hmm |
| 01:26 | <CaptObviousman> | dyndyns? |
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| 01:26 | <mwalling> | Peng_: mail routing loop... i had a ~/.forward that was pointing to mark@markwalling.org, which was aliased to mwalling, wich pointed to that .forward, and so on |
| 01:27 | * | phennessy prepares da bomb |
| 01:27 | <mwalling> | i fixed it asshole |
| 01:27 | <emag> | someone set up us the bomb? |
| 01:28 | <mwalling> | address extensions good... woot |
| 01:28 | <phennessy> | i was just going to do while (1) mail mwalling |
| 01:30 | <CaptObviousman> | hmm, dyndns.org is only if you use one of their domains, huh? |
| 01:30 | <mwalling> | caker: can we get checkboxes in the DNS manager so we can check off a buncha records and delete them in one go? |
| 01:31 | <mwalling> | CaptObviousman: doing what now? |
| 01:32 | <CaptObviousman> | mwalling: well I'm in a new place now, so the domain name previously attached to my broadband server might change |
| 01:32 | <CaptObviousman> | just considering my options for how best to track any changes automatically |
| 01:32 | <mwalling> | http://git.thegrebs.com/?p=WebService-Linode;a=blob;f=examples/dyndns.pl;h=c7439c18e478d1752efd2465f6df87103ca9f143;hb=HEAD |
| 01:32 | <CaptObviousman> | err, domain name won't change. IP I mean |
| 01:33 | <mwalling> | problem solved |
| 01:34 | <vi> | there are people out there using git that don't use github? |
| 01:35 | <phennessy> | heh |
| 01:35 | <phennessy> | you need to savedomain |
| 01:35 | <phennessy> | err |
| 01:36 | <mwalling> | vi: yes? |
| 01:36 | <phennessy> | yea, mike's script doesn't do a domainSave at the end |
| 01:36 | <mwalling> | phennessy: its not built into his script? |
| 01:36 | <phennessy> | http://git.pathennessy.com/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=linode-utils.git;a=blob;f=dyndns.pl;hb=HEAD |
| 01:36 | <phennessy> | no, i think he forgot |
| 01:36 | <phennessy> | i was going to submit a cpan bug for him :) |
| 01:36 | <phennessy> | but i figured he knew from some other forum stuff |
| 01:37 | <phennessy> | see line 84 of mine |
| 01:37 | <mwalling> | http://git.thegrebs.com/?p=WebService-Linode;a=blob;f=lib/WebService/Linode/DNS.pm;h=0a1fedaff65f6044943019309c805c118541b52c;hb=HEAD#l116 |
| 01:37 | <phennessy> | just copy line 69 and 84 |
| 01:37 | <mwalling> | domainUpdate calls domainSave |
| 01:37 | <phennessy> | oh really |
| 01:37 | <phennessy> | hmmm |
| 01:37 | <mwalling> | yarly |
| 01:38 | <phennessy> | i dunno, i just saw something on the forum about it showing up in the linode manager but when you viewed the zone file it wasn't.. |
| 01:39 | <phennessy> | eh w/e |
| 01:39 | <phennessy> | too late for me to care |
| 01:39 | <mwalling> | command line email client recomendations? |
| 01:39 | <phennessy> | elm |
| 01:39 | <mwalling> | i'm about to re-try mutt, willing to look elsewhere |
| 01:39 | <vi> | mutt |
| 01:40 | <vi> | mutt is pretty great |
| 01:40 | * | CaptObviousman was always partial to pine |
| 01:40 | <phennessy> | i've never used mutt.. only elm and then pine |
| 01:40 | <CaptObviousman> | but only because that's what I used first |
| 01:40 | <phennessy> | we put alpine on our replacement shell server at $work |
| 01:41 | <CaptObviousman> | do dns dynamic updates also happen on port 53, or is there a sideband port it uses? |
| 01:41 | <CaptObviousman> | BIND, I should specify |
| 01:41 | <phennessy> | it uses tcp when the packets are too big for udp |
| 01:41 | <phennessy> | there are some options to force it to use a certain port i think |
| 01:42 | <CaptObviousman> | because there's no reason I couldn't save my linode's rndc key locall and just use that to do it |
| 01:43 | <mwalling> | i think i need to scratch my muttrc and start over |
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| 01:50 | <phennessy> | http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3759&sid=421ae86983670a393692ebec4908d544 |
| 01:50 | <phennessy> | he hasn't done any commits after that |
| 01:52 | <mwalling> | oh... hmm |
| 01:53 | <phennessy> | i dunno if there is something else going on.. it'd be nice to see what mike thinks |
| 01:53 | <phennessy> | just something to look for if it doesn't work as expected |
| 01:59 | <jtsage> | huh. every time i do this i say the same thing... don't leave the freebsd system for 8mos without updates. it's a real bear when I finally get around to it. |
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| 03:09 | * | SelfishMan mumbles something in russian |
| 03:12 | <SelfishMan> | I can't believe PowerBeam is still trying to peddle their wares at CES |
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| 03:44 | <SelfishMan> | MySQL has a SLEEP() function? Why? |
| 03:45 | <zxvf> | for sleeping |
| 03:46 | <bd_> | Because you don't have enough load on your sql server without threads being tied up sleeping |
| 03:48 | <SelfishMan> | I'm pretty sure any every language you can use to query MySQL has a sleep function |
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| 03:48 | <bd_> | Ah, but what if you wanted your stored procedures to poll the database for some condition to be true? |
| 03:48 | <SelfishMan> | Sounds like the wrong way to do it. That's what triggered events are for. |
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| 03:49 | <bd_> | SelfishMan: I'm just trying to think like a mysql user ;) |
| 03:50 | <SelfishMan> | I've never used a stored procedure in MySQL or a trigger event so I'm not even sure they are supported |
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| 05:23 | <linbot> | New news from forums: Monitoring my IP for inclusion on SPAM Blacklists in Email/SMTP Related Forum <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3805>; |
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| 05:44 | <agentbleubleu> | SelfishMan: Mysql supports stored procedures with the new mysqli |
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| 06:19 | <notserpe> | are there any ops around? |
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| 06:26 | <seangrove> | hey all, on a new ubuntu install with apache2, I'm getting an error [warn] NameVirtualHost *:80 has no VirtualHosts, whenever starting or restarting apache |
| 06:27 | <seangrove> | but I'm pretty sure I have a matching virtual host - it's a very simple file anyway |
| 06:27 | <notserpe> | and? you have no vhosts setup? |
| 06:27 | <seangrove> | to be honest, I'm not sure |
| 06:27 | <seangrove> | let me paste my sites-enabled |
| 06:27 | <notserpe> | pastbin it. |
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| 06:28 | <seangrove> | http://pastie.org/private/yo0tihjqc4fh6td7twq |
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| 06:29 | <seangrove> | either I mistyped something, or I'm misunderstanding how to setup a virtual host :P |
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| 06:30 | <dc24> | The "recieved by" header of the mails I send from my linode are as follows: "Received: from localhost ([something].members.linode.com [my ip address]) " That "localhost" part gets me listed on the cbl blocking list. How can I change that? |
| 06:30 | <notserpe> | you don't have your hostname setup. |
| 06:30 | <notserpe> | and it would help to have reverse DNS setup properly as well. |
| 06:31 | <dc24> | it is set in /etc/hosts |
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| 06:31 | <notserpe> | your mta is reporting it's name as localhost then I guess. |
| 06:32 | <dc24> | notserpe: any idea how to fix that? |
| 06:32 | <dc24> | mta is postfix btw |
| 06:32 | <notserpe> | have you sshd in and confirmed the hostname is set...? |
| 06:32 | <dc24> | yeah, it is set in /etc/hosts. Anywhere else I need to set it? |
| 06:33 | <notserpe> | you don't setup your hostname only in /etc/hosts but some distro specific place... run "hostname" on the commandline to see if it's set |
| 06:33 | <StevenK> | myhostname in /etc/postfix/main.cf as well |
| 06:35 | <notserpe> | but if your hostname is setup correctly you shouldn't need to override in main.cf |
| 06:36 | <dc24> | StevenK, your solution worked. |
| 06:36 | <notserpe> | but your hostname is still probably not set correctly. |
| 06:36 | <dc24> | notserpe, when I try "hostname" it returns "ubuntu" |
| 06:36 | <StevenK> | dc24: You should do both |
| 06:37 | <dc24> | so how to set it correctly? |
| 06:37 | <notserpe> | what distro? |
| 06:37 | <dc24> | ubuntu |
| 06:37 | <StevenK> | It needs to be set in /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname |
| 06:38 | <StevenK> | Then see if the 'hostname' command returns the right name |
| 06:38 | <notserpe> | /etc/hostname... |
| 06:38 | <dc24> | I've set it in /etc/hostname, but "hostname" still returns "ubuntu". Any daemons I should restart? |
| 06:39 | <StevenK> | Try running 'hostname <newhostname>' ? |
| 06:40 | <dc24> | That worked. Does that mean "hostname" writes to somewhere else? |
| 06:40 | <notserpe> | no. |
| 06:40 | <notserpe> | on system startup the initscripts set the hostname using the hostname command |
| 06:41 | <notserpe> | so under ubuntu /etc/hostname is set at startup with the hostname command in a script |
| 06:41 | <dc24> | oh, I see... |
| 06:41 | <dc24> | well, thanks guys. |
| 06:41 | <notserpe> | dnsdomainname is something else to checkup |
| 06:42 | <seangrove> | thank you notserpe, I appreciate your help |
| 06:43 | <notserpe> | no probs. |
| 06:46 | <notserpe> | dc24: you probably want to go into your linode config and setup forward/reverse DNS for your machine as well. |
| 06:50 | <dc24> | well, I have multiple domains on the same IP, is setting rDNS practical? |
| 06:51 | <notserpe> | I guess you live with default linode rDNS |
| 06:52 | <dc24> | Would that cause any problems with cbl, spamhause etc.? |
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| 07:06 | <notserpe> | anyone know what time the ops usually show up in the morning EST? |
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| 07:13 | <seangrove> | hey guys, how should I modify my terminal to make bash run under ssh-agent? |
| 07:13 | <seangrove> | is the best way to edit /etc/profile? |
| 07:19 | <seangrove> | ah, this is on remote login via ssh |
| 07:19 | <seangrove> | I suppose that changes things? |
| 07:20 | <praetorian> | crazy |
| 07:20 | <seangrove> | heh, alright, I suppose I should then :D |
| 07:20 | <seangrove> | just learning here |
| 07:20 | <seangrove> | want to make sure I'm doing things right |
| 07:21 | <seangrove> | well, I'm actually setting up rails/capistrano to automate the deploy process - capistrano ssh in, then connects to github and pulls down a shallow copy and places it in the appropriate places |
| 07:22 | <seangrove> | when it connects to github, it uses ssh, and it prompts me for the password of the user on the linode server |
| 07:22 | <seangrove> | well, nevermind that ;) |
| 07:22 | <seangrove> | I was trying to automate it so it didn't ask me for the password |
| 07:22 | <seangrove> | has to be ssh |
| 07:22 | <seangrove> | but if it's a big security risk, I can just type in the password! |
| 07:22 | <seangrove> | github only supports pulling in changes via ssh |
| 07:23 | <praetorian> | fail |
| 07:23 | <seangrove> | ket me check |
| 07:23 | <praetorian> | that seems total fail |
| 07:23 | <seangrove> | ah, no, it can do it over http, but it's very slow apparently |
| 07:23 | <seangrove> | that's alright |
| 07:23 | <praetorian> | git://github.com/simos/compose-parse.git |
| 07:24 | <seangrove> | I'll just type in my password, I hadn't realized it was a security issue |
| 07:24 | <praetorian> | well you are thinking worse case |
| 07:24 | <praetorian> | if someone compromises it ... |
| 07:24 | <praetorian> | :) |
| 07:24 | <seangrove> | well, I generated the keys on the server, and it's only used to authenticate for one user on github |
| 07:24 | <seangrove> | ah, ok |
| 07:24 | <seangrove> | I'll remove it then |
| 07:26 | <praetorian> | indeed |
| 07:26 | <seangrove> | alright, sounds good |
| 07:26 | <seangrove> | glad to see I wasn't too crazy to think I should use a one-use key for server-side |
| 07:27 | <seangrove> | thanks everyone |
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| 08:05 | <snowfell> | hi, a while ago, my ext3 partition got corrupted because of some xen bug and i had to change the block size to prevent it from happening again, but today i got this error: |
| 08:05 | <snowfell> | Jan 10 22:11:24 rexl kernel: swapper: page allocation failure. order:0, mode:0x20 |
| 08:06 | <snowfell> | is this the same xen bug but with my swap? |
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| 08:07 | <snowfell> | the kernel also seem to have dumped a stack trace and lots of other info about memory |
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| 08:18 | <chesty> | put the staxk trace, ec, in a support ticket |
| 08:20 | <snowfell> | ah, good idea :) |
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| 08:57 | <FFEMTcJ> | anyone know how to connect to my linode's ftp via windows explorer? i can't install an ftp program on this system, and typing ftp://user@ip says its connected, but it doesnt show anything in the window |
| 08:58 | <straterra> | are there...any files in the directory? |
| 08:58 | * | seangrove chuckles |
| 08:59 | <FFEMTcJ> | i dont know what folder its putting me in... but i created a new folder in explorer and then looked for the folder, and it wasnt there looking with ssh |
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| 09:00 | <HoopyCat> | it'll usually start at the home directory for the user, i believe |
| 09:00 | <FFEMTcJ> | HoopyCat: thats what i thought too.. but there are files there... and they arent showing up |
| 09:01 | -!- | elky is now known as elkeee |
| 09:03 | <FFEMTcJ> | looks like it might have finally worked today |
| 09:03 | <FFEMTcJ> | wasnt yesterday |
| 09:03 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 09:03 | <FFEMTcJ> | lol |
| 09:03 | <HoopyCat> | FFEMTcJ: hmm, same thing's doin' for me using firefox as the FTP client and... whatever FTP server is installed on the other box here. however, using the windows command line ftp client puts me in the right place... |
| 09:03 | <FFEMTcJ> | thanks HoopyCat |
| 09:04 | <HoopyCat> | carry winscp on a USB fob :-) |
| 09:07 | <abysed> | :-O |
| 09:09 | <straterra> | im preeeeetty sure i got drunk last night |
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| 09:11 | <HoopyCat> | straterra: you're dehydrated, headachy, sore, and very cold from sleeping on the bare floor of the stable? yeah, been there, done that |
| 09:12 | <abysed> | im pretty sure im drunk right now |
| 09:13 | <straterra> | well |
| 09:13 | <straterra> | not all that |
| 09:13 | <straterra> | im dehdrated...no headache |
| 09:13 | <straterra> | no soreness...and quite warm |
| 09:13 | <straterra> | I'm PRETTY sure I'm still a little drunk too |
| 09:14 | <abysed> | ;-) |
| 09:14 | <straterra> | i was doing double shots of patron |
| 09:14 | * | FFEMTcJ needs somethin new to learn about and play with |
| 09:14 | <straterra> | women! |
| 09:15 | <HoopyCat> | i had about three beers last night, which'll give me a decent buzz, then make me very tired, then make me feel groggy when i wake up. i think i'm getting old. |
| 09:15 | <FFEMTcJ> | trying to learn about them is a waste of time because it isnt possible... and i played about 4 hours ago |
| 09:15 | <abysed> | im about done with my 4th corona, also had a shot of captain and bacardi 151 |
| 09:15 | <straterra> | i dont really do beers |
| 09:15 | <straterra> | takes too many to do anything |
| 09:16 | <straterra> | i had beers...14 shots of jose gold |
| 09:16 | <abysed> | i feel more off 3 beers than 3 shots |
| 09:16 | <straterra> | 2 double shots of patron... |
| 09:16 | <straterra> | and i think 12 capn and cokes |
| 09:17 | <abysed> | guessing you drink daily? |
| 09:17 | <straterra> | a little bit, yes |
| 09:18 | <abysed> | ;-) |
| 09:18 | <abysed> | too much of a tolerance i think |
| 09:18 | <HoopyCat> | shots and me don't get along any more, alas |
| 09:18 | <straterra> | i dont drink that much |
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| 09:19 | <HoopyCat> | i used to do the whole come-home-from-work-and-start-swigging-a-bottle-of-vodka thing, but then i hit legal drinking age. now it's beer, and usually a variety thereof. |
| 09:20 | <straterra> | i'm of legal drinking age |
| 09:20 | <HoopyCat> | some beers i'd drink even if they weren't alcoholic |
| 09:21 | <straterra> | the whole fucking world was wobbly last night |
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| 09:22 | <HoopyCat> | looks like it's almost 9:30am |
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| 09:22 | <straterra> | it is |
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| 09:22 | <abysed> | 6:30:-D |
| 09:23 | <HoopyCat> | the akill expiration time should be adjusted so the akills expire at, like, 3am or something |
| 09:23 | <abysed> | i threw up a shot of 151 earlier this week, not so fun |
| 09:23 | <HoopyCat> | abysed: you shoulda lit your vomit on fire. that woulda been SWEEEEET |
| 09:23 | <abysed> | it felt like it already was |
| 09:23 | <HoopyCat> | haha |
| 09:23 | <abysed> | i had a sore throat well into the next day |
| 09:23 | <straterra> | vomit? |
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| 09:23 | <straterra> | i havent vomited :D |
| 09:23 | <abysed> | ;-) |
| 09:24 | -!- | mode/#linode [-i] by caker |
| 09:24 | <abysed> | on my 5th beer now, feeling good :-D |
| 09:25 | <HoopyCat> | off to get underway with the day, bbl |
| 09:25 | <abysed> | peace |
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| 09:27 | <abysed> | :-o |
| 09:32 | <CaptObviousman> | it's way too early to drink yaknow |
| 09:33 | <CaptObviousman> | they say if you drink before noon, you're definitely an alcoholic |
| 09:33 | <CaptObviousman> | I always say back "It's figgin 9pm in Malaysia, leave me alone" |
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| 09:47 | <FFEMTcJ> | abysed: my daughter just threw up some yogart and eggs |
| 09:47 | <Yaakov> | FFEMTcJ: Thanks for sharing! |
| 09:47 | <FFEMTcJ> | hehe |
| 09:48 | <Yaakov> | FFEMTcJ: For the record, that was probably the wrong sort of thing to share, though. Try something *cute*. |
| 09:48 | <FFEMTcJ> | i was just lettin abysed know he's not the only one |
| 09:49 | <Yaakov> | FFEMTcJ: I have six, each of them passed through the "emittting processed or partially processed food violently and into the wrong places |
| 09:49 | <Yaakov> | " phase. |
| 09:50 | <FFEMTcJ> | hehe |
| 09:50 | <FFEMTcJ> | we are visiting nana and papa and yesterday she decided she wanted to go running into the ocean... without help... she's 3 |
| 09:51 | <Yaakov> | Heh. |
| 09:53 | <FFEMTcJ> | whats somethin that would be fun to install and learn about? |
| 09:53 | <Yaakov> | FFEMTcJ: What do you use for version control? |
| 09:54 | <FFEMTcJ> | i dont use anything causei dont really develop.. i just have some websites |
| 09:55 | <Yaakov> | FFEMTcJ: Versiojn control is GREAT for websites. |
| 09:55 | <Yaakov> | Version, too. |
| 09:55 | <Yaakov> | Install subversion! (Ignore the git weenies!) |
| 09:55 | <FFEMTcJ> | i have it instlled.. |
| 09:55 | <Yaakov> | Learn it then! |
| 09:55 | <laser`> | I quite like Subversion too |
| 09:55 | <FFEMTcJ> | and i tried doing it.. |
| 09:55 | <Yaakov> | Oh don't be a quitter! |
| 09:55 | <FFEMTcJ> | but i found it to be a pita |
| 09:56 | <CaptObviousman> | sooooo question |
| 09:56 | * | CaptObviousman does a wait-one-sec and goes to check the website first |
| 09:57 | <Yaakov> | FFEMTcJ: Which OS do you use on the desktop? |
| 09:57 | <FFEMTcJ> | for a few reasons... i use wordpress.. so keeping plugins updated and such using only one DB was hard.. maybe just cause i dont know how to do it.. |
| 09:57 | <FFEMTcJ> | 8.10 |
| 09:57 | <Yaakov> | I am guessing that is an Ubuntu version... |
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| 09:57 | <FFEMTcJ> | yes |
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| 09:58 | <Yaakov> | Well... let's see... |
| 09:58 | <Yaakov> | What do you use for backups? |
| 09:59 | <Yaakov> | I mean of anything (site, etc.) |
| 09:59 | <FFEMTcJ> | rsnapshot to a backup server in PA |
| 10:00 | <FFEMTcJ> | eventually im gonna setup a backup server at home.. i have the server, just need the time |
| 10:00 | <FFEMTcJ> | why rdiff-backup vs rsnapshot? |
| 10:01 | * | Yaakov remembers to install Tortoise SVN on this Vista machine... |
| 10:01 | <FFEMTcJ> | what does reverse incrementals mean |
| 10:02 | <FFEMTcJ> | http://www.rsnapshot.org/ |
| 10:02 | <FFEMTcJ> | ok.. thats what rsnapshot does too |
| 10:03 | <CaptObviousman> | ... ok that's really useful |
| 10:03 | <CaptObviousman> | and rdiff-backup is the tool that does this? |
| 10:03 | * | CaptObviousman writes that down |
| 10:03 | <FFEMTcJ> | i think with rsnapshot the oldest backup is the "full" one and the newer ones have the diffs |
| 10:04 | <Yaakov> | restart-- |
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| 10:05 | <FFEMTcJ> | id have to see if rdiff is on my backup server.. i cant install anything on it... |
| 10:05 | <FFEMTcJ> | i guess im goin fishing.. bbl |
| 10:05 | <FFEMTcJ> | nope |
| 10:06 | <FFEMTcJ> | if you want to look at it with me later we can... |
| 10:06 | <FFEMTcJ> | id be fine with that |
| 10:06 | <FFEMTcJ> | using my knowledge.. can't is correct |
| 10:07 | <FFEMTcJ> | off to go fishing.. maybe ill get lunch |
| 10:11 | <CaptObviousman> | well, if you decided to install all the compilation tools on your linode |
| 10:11 | <CaptObviousman> | well, more power to you |
| 10:11 | * | CaptObviousman kept them off |
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| 10:21 | <Yaakov> | (Tortoise SVN)++ # Very nice. |
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| 11:22 | <b4> | woo |
| 11:22 | <b4> | 4.1 surround |
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| 11:39 | <axod> | hi it looks like my vps is being attacked |
| 11:39 | <axod> | anyone from linode about? |
| 11:40 | <@caker> | what do you mean? |
| 11:40 | <axod> | hey caker, it *looks* like dos attack, |
| 11:40 | <axod> | massive bandwidth spike :/ |
| 11:40 | <axod> | anything you've seen? |
| 11:41 | <@caker> | I'm not seeing any bandwidth spikes on our end |
| 11:41 | <axod> | hmm ok, I'll keep investigating. Thanks anyway, |
| 11:43 | <b4> | axod, maybe you got hit with the bandwith meter bug |
| 11:44 | <axod> | nah it's something freaky |
| 11:45 | <axod> | caker: any ideas on getting a quick stat of incomming+outgoing connections? |
| 11:45 | <FFEMTcJ> | fishing sucks today |
| 11:45 | <axod> | I remember formulating something before, cat /proc/net/ip_conntrack | awk.... :/ |
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| 11:49 | <HIghoS> | axod: netstat? netstat -anp |
| 11:49 | <laser`> | netstat -an | wc -l? |
| 11:49 | <chopp> | axod: vnstat is good. |
| 11:50 | <axod> | thanks |
| 11:50 | <axod> | netstat works on linode yay.... on slicehost it puts the ipv4 address in an ipv6 format and slices the end off it |
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| 11:53 | <FFEMTcJ> | axod: did you move to linode too? |
| 11:55 | <axod> | yup |
| 11:55 | <axod> | most things |
| 11:55 | <FFEMTcJ> | I did too.. my issue was mostly the lack of BW with SH |
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| 11:58 | <axod> | yeah they charge way too much for bandwidth |
| 11:59 | <axod> | when I asked if there was something better they could do, they just replied "Buy more servers" |
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| 12:02 | <FFEMTcJ> | axod: exactlly |
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| 12:18 | <HoopyCat> | "Why don't you just add a pulley to the existing electric motor to drive an alternator to recharge the batteries as you drive? No need to ever recharge." |
| 12:19 | * | b4 hands HoopyCat a treadmill motor |
| 12:19 | <phennessy> | heh |
| 12:20 | <Yaakov> | HoopyCat: I did that and it worked but a drone aircraft exploded my car with a missle. |
| 12:20 | <@mikegrb> | Yaakov: weird that happened to my water powered car |
| 12:20 | <@mikegrb> | I thought it was just a fluke |
| 12:21 | <Yaakov> | mikegrb: It's just a coinciedence. |
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| 12:21 | <HoopyCat> | yeah, i've totally had to switch back to gasoline since the unfortunate melamine incident illnessed my hamsters |
| 12:22 | <Yaakov> | HoopyCat: No missile? |
| 12:23 | <HoopyCat> | Yaakov: no, but the guano tank did somehow spring a leak and corrode the torque multiplier before i could bring it back into the lab |
| 12:23 | <Yaakov> | Oh, they used the laser. |
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| 12:24 | <Yaakov> | Bleh. My iPhone got caught in my lounge chair mechanism. |
| 12:25 | <Yaakov> | It now has a very neat crease in one side perpendicular to the face. |
| 12:26 | <Yaakov> | It looks intentional, at lease. |
| 12:26 | <Yaakov> | rt |
| 12:26 | <Yaakov> | GRR |
| 12:26 | <Yaakov> | st |
| 12:26 | <HoopyCat> | these newfangled fancypants phones seem so fragile |
| 12:27 | <Yaakov> | Fragile? I was squished in a chair pantograph. |
| 12:28 | <Yaakov> | Err.. It. |
| 12:28 | <Yaakov> | I wasn't. |
| 12:28 | <HoopyCat> | x-axis: time y-axis: number of pants installed |
| 12:28 | <HoopyCat> | 1 |
| 12:28 | <HoopyCat> | 0 ************************** |
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| 12:32 | <Yaakov> | I just got an important notice from Washington Mutual! I'd better read it right away!! Wait a minute... Just a darned minute here, I don't have an account with them! |
| 12:33 | <Yaakov> | Something is fishy about this! |
| 12:33 | <HoopyCat> | New news from forums: We lost all of your passwords, pls enter them on this website !! Sry :-( <http://phishserver.hoopycat.com/linode?campaignid=20090111001>; |
| 12:34 | <HoopyCat> | SpaceHobo: same graph works, just change y-axis to "number of pantomimists installed" |
| 12:35 | <Yaakov> | "mimes" |
| 12:35 | <HoopyCat> | Yaakov: sorry, i still use uuencode |
| 12:36 | * | Yaakov s/mime encrypts HoopyCat and "loses" the passphrase. |
| 12:36 | * | HoopyCat haxx NSA key escrow server |
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| 12:39 | <Yaakov> | Does gmail support PGP/GPG? |
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| 12:39 | <HoopyCat> | not natively. i use thunderbird and IMAP to do my GPG magic |
| 12:39 | <phennessy> | Yaakov: would you want to upload your private keyfile to gmail? |
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| 12:40 | <Yaakov> | phennessy: I wouldn't want to upload ANYTHING to gmail. |
| 12:40 | <Yaakov> | But mostly I was talking about signature verification. |
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| 12:41 | <phennessy> | i think you'd need to use an imap client |
| 12:41 | <HoopyCat> | oh, sons of bitches, they paid interest on the mortgage escrow account (which is atypically flush this year). not enough to make a difference, but just enough to require more paperwork |
| 12:45 | <Yaakov> | Wow... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9zy37-_0LU |
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| 12:48 | * | mwalling grumbles |
| 12:48 | <Yaakov> | Hello, mwalling. |
| 12:49 | <HoopyCat> | c'mon. $10.82. what the hell. |
| 12:53 | <axod> | caker: turned out to be mysql had gone to100% for some reason, even tho it wasn't doing anything. Starved everything of cpu, which meant a ton of sessions created :/ |
| 12:53 | * | axod hits mysql with a large hammer |
| 12:57 | * | HoopyCat hits Joe Buck with a large hammer |
| 12:58 | * | mwalling hits HoopyCat with a large hammer |
| 12:58 | <Northwood> | is there some program i can install to offer ssh but chrooted to its own dir? |
| 12:58 | <mwalling> | Northwood: ssh? |
| 12:58 | <HoopyCat> | and troy "dude, joe... we're in HD now, you don't have to snuggle quite that close..." aikman, of course |
| 12:58 | <mwalling> | Northwood: rtfmp, kthx |
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| 12:59 | <Northwood> | i get a read thanks |
| 12:59 | <mwalling> | look at the ChrootDirectory directive in sshd_config(5) |
| 13:00 | <Northwood> | yes but im still installing atm in ace |
| 13:00 | <mwalling> | you can use Match to only enable some directives on certain users, groups, source ip addresses, etc |
| 13:01 | <Northwood> | and make their directory on another drive? |
| 13:01 | <mwalling> | rtfmp |
| 13:01 | <Northwood> | yes yes i know |
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| 13:02 | <mwalling> | i've never used it, i just know it exists in sshd_config(5) |
| 13:02 | <Northwood> | i'm so lazy :) |
| 13:02 | <Yaakov> | I LOVE YOU MWALLING |
| 13:02 | <mwalling> | creapy |
| 13:02 | <HoopyCat> | mwalling: what's the state-of-the-art these days with regards providing a fairly complete environment inside a chroot? (i.e. rm, mv, perl, python, etc) |
| 13:03 | <Yaakov> | Our cats do not get along. It is sad. |
| 13:03 | <mwalling> | HoopyCat: find, xargs, and rm) |
| 13:03 | <HoopyCat> | mwalling: ooh snap |
| 13:03 | <mwalling> | HoopyCat: i dont chroot, i trust my users |
| 13:04 | <HoopyCat> | i trust my users, and i also verify their physical location and pay a few guys in suits to show up after they log in |
| 13:04 | <HoopyCat> | <3 loki.com plugin for sshd |
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| 13:04 | <mwalling> | Northwood: another nifty directive set: ForceCommand... look that up in sshd_config(5) |
| 13:05 | <Northwood> | i will but first need to figure out the structure of the disk itself i guess |
| 13:05 | <Northwood> | the partitions |
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| 13:05 | <mwalling> | http://linux.die.net/man/5/sshd_config |
| 13:05 | <mwalling> | there, no excuses not to read |
| 13:06 | <HoopyCat> | mwalling: that available via gopher? can't get lynx working on my vt52 |
| 13:06 | <mwalling> | HoopyCat: i dont run a gopherd |
| 13:06 | <HoopyCat> | "And the wind knocks the football... off the tee." |
| 13:06 | <Northwood> | OpenSSH SSH daemon configuration file ok its on screen |
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| 13:06 | <mwalling> | (although it would be neat to |
| 13:07 | <Yaakov> | I need kermit access. |
| 13:07 | <Yaakov> | This looks reasonable: http://www.kegel.com/crosstool/current/doc/chroot-login-howto.html |
| 13:12 | <Northwood> | now would i ask linux-image-2.6-686-etchnhalf or linux-image-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 |
| 13:12 | <Northwood> | or better rtm? |
| 13:12 | <Northwood> | its just that certain software is compiled for another kernel right? |
| 13:13 | <HoopyCat> | Northwood: are you using pv-grub? |
| 13:14 | <Northwood> | im just "learning" playing with linux debian on ACE to see what works |
| 13:15 | <mwalling> | i see ace and i think academic computing enviroment |
| 13:15 | <mwalling> | :( |
| 13:15 | <Northwood> | no its vmware |
| 13:15 | <Northwood> | can make a little package and works on itself |
| 13:15 | <HoopyCat> | ok, so not on a linode. ignore me then ;-) |
| 13:16 | <Northwood> | no i will only change something on linode after i have it working |
| 13:16 | <Northwood> | the last time i did without with roundcube i wreaked havoc |
| 13:16 | <Northwood> | that or someone else did |
| 13:18 | <Northwood> | on linode its more easy also as caker created the best kernel for me to use |
| 13:19 | <mwalling> | i wonder if you could take a windows host, run linux in a vmware image as a dom0, run another linux as a domU, then run a uml inside that domU |
| 13:20 | <Northwood> | i think so, but on the forum i read its not working |
| 13:20 | <HoopyCat> | mwalling: if so, i recommend running wine under uml ;-) |
| 13:20 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 13:20 | <mwalling> | lol |
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| 13:21 | <Northwood> | i have tried once to run it on linode and failed |
| 13:22 | <phennessy> | vmware hates xen |
| 13:22 | <Northwood> | for windows i better install esxi on a dedicated |
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| 13:25 | <Northwood> | w2k8 had its new option to run without gui, but it looked strange for a windows |
| 13:25 | <mwalling> | tjfontaine!!!!!!! |
| 13:26 | <Northwood> | always wonder what a windows system is sending to that microsoft.csi server |
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| 13:43 | <b4> | eww windows |
| 13:43 | <b4> | mwalling, hahaha the virtualization recursion |
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| 13:49 | <Tijuas> | is there a politics channel on OFTC? |
| 13:50 | <Tijuas> | Tired of niigggers and their general monkeyshines? Then join the multiracial alliance against the golliwogs, darkies, jigaboos, etc! http://www.chimpout.com Chimpout welcomes Asians, Whites, Indians, Native Americans, Jews, non-negroid Hispanics, and anybody else that isn't negroid. Chimpout.com The Alliance of Humans vs Niiiggggers |
| 13:52 | <Northwood> | oh |
| 13:52 | <mwalling> | Northwood: dont. |
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| 13:53 | <tsp> | I take it he got kicked? |
| 13:53 | <mwalling> | tsp: killed |
| 13:54 | <mwalling> | autokilled: You are not welcome here. If you feel an error has been made, blah blah |
| 13:54 | <TheFirst> | seems to be a lot more spammers than usual lately |
| 13:55 | <tsp> | he didn't even get the site right, it redirects to .org |
| 13:55 | <mwalling> | TheFirst: its winter break... its like eternal september |
| 13:55 | <TheFirst> | fair enough |
| 13:56 | <Yaakov> | Just killed/glined him on EFNet as well. |
| 13:56 | <Yaakov> | He's been doing that on and off. |
| 13:56 | <mwalling> | the mexican water must be worse then usual |
| 13:56 | <Northwood> | good system |
| 13:58 | <HoopyCat> | Yaakov: but teh free speech!! |
| 13:59 | <Yaakov> | He got his money's worth. Technically, I glined him for the spamming not the content. |
| 14:02 | <Yaakov> | The sad part is I am sure the spamming drives traffic to his site. |
| 14:06 | <Yaakov> | Why don't Go Daddy codes work in the Linode shopping cart?! My domains are registered with Go Daddy! |
| 14:06 | <HoopyCat> | there's a linode shopping cart? |
| 14:07 | * | HoopyCat steals linode shopping card and loads it up with bottles |
| 14:07 | <Pryon> | linode shopping carts explode if they leave the parking lot |
| 14:07 | <Yaakov> | This is an Intenet outrage! More big corporations stiking it to Joe Consumer! |
| 14:08 | <HoopyCat> | the self-disabling shopping carts have finally appeared in this area... i was tempted to see what'd happen, but the parking lot was big and the weather cold |
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| 14:09 | <Pryon> | Most shopping carts I pick are already self disabled, apparently |
| 14:09 | <Pryon> | squeak! squeak! squeak! |
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| 14:10 | <HoopyCat> | wegmans has started deploying these "mini-carts"... two levels, half the length of a standard cart. my wife and i each take one and it works out quite well, i find. |
| 14:11 | <saurabh> | anybody serving django app with nginx_mod_wsgi? |
| 14:12 | <HoopyCat> | saurabh: you've described the exact opposite of my setup, alas, but someone else around probably does |
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| 14:12 | <saurabh> | the mod_wsgi module for nginx hasnt been updated from march 08, seems dead |
| 14:15 | <HoopyCat> | note to next-door neighbor: pls refrain from pointing snowthrower discharge at our windows, thx |
| 14:15 | <Yaakov> | HoopyCat: ut you can ride around in the cart while your wife pushes any more! |
| 14:15 | <HoopyCat> | wrrr, wrrrr, wrrr, wrrrrr, wrrWHUMP! WHUMP! WHUMP! WHUMP! WHUMP! |
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| 14:26 | <Yaakov> | Hahaha! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-eF7APJlgo |
| 14:27 | <iobright> | Anyone having trouble connecting to the Newark datacenter? |
| 14:27 | <HoopyCat> | holy crap, you can subscribe to receive 6 pounds of velveeta every month via amazon.com |
| 14:27 | <HoopyCat> | iobright: looks ok from here; which host are you on? |
| 14:27 | <jkwood> | HoopyCat: Thank you for that useless and completely awesome bit of trivia. My life is enriched. |
| 14:28 | <iobright> | HoopyCat: newark50 |
| 14:28 | <HoopyCat> | jkwood: no problem |
| 14:28 | <mwalling> | iobright: mtr |
| 14:28 | <mwalling> | !mtr |
| 14:28 | <linbot> | mwalling: "mtr" could be mtr combines the functionality of traceroute and ping into one easy to use tool, and the output can be useful for determining where the source of a problem is. It can be downloaded from http://www.bitwizard.nl/mtr/ or http://winmtr.sourceforge.net/ for Windows. |
| 14:28 | <HoopyCat> | iobright: host looks up and reachable from here. could you pastebin the output of mtr or traceroute? |
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| 14:29 | <HoopyCat> | jkwood: actually, now that you mention it... this is twitter-worthy |
| 14:30 | <mwalling> | iobright: i've got 0 loss from dallas |
| 14:31 | <mwalling> | iobright: i've got 20% loss from dallas to the ip you're connected to oftc from somwhere near roadrunner's chicago router |
| 14:31 | <Yaakov> | HoopyCat: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-eF7APJlgo |
| 14:32 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 14:32 | <eld101> | yaakov: lol |
| 14:32 | <HoopyCat> | iobright,mwalling: i have 0% packet loss to 69.76.187.81 from roadrunner in upstate NY. hmm |
| 14:32 | <mwalling> | HoopyCat: i'm too lazy to get on one of the machiens downstairs |
| 14:33 | <HoopyCat> | nothing good ever happens in chicago |
| 14:33 | <mwalling> | heh |
| 14:33 | <iobright> | It might be my own linode not working. the site I'm trying to reach is pshields.net; I'm getting a Network Timeout. I'm installing mtr now. |
| 14:34 | <HoopyCat> | iobright: indeed, not pingable from here... time to lish in :-) |
| 14:34 | <mwalling> | what HoopyCat said |
| 14:35 | <mwalling> | 9. vlan803.esd2.mmu.nac.net 0.0% 10 40.2 40.2 40.0 40.6 0.2 |
| 14:35 | <mwalling> | 10. ??? 100.0 10 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 |
| 14:36 | <Yaakov> | HoopyCat: Watch that 'tube, man! |
| 14:36 | <HoopyCat> | Yaakov: it's almost halftime |
| 14:36 | <Yaakov> | It's very short. |
| 14:37 | <HoopyCat> | Yaakov: i'm going to go shave right now |
| 14:37 | <iobright> | I opened Lish and it says "Out of Memory: Kill process 2 (migration/0) score 0 and children. " |
| 14:37 | <Yaakov> | HoopyCat: Heh. |
| 14:37 | <Yaakov> | The poor announcer doesn't know what to say. |
| 14:37 | <HoopyCat> | iobright: you ran out of memory and the kernel chose the wrong process to mess with |
| 14:38 | <HoopyCat> | now it IS halftime and i need to go start some bread a'raisin'. after i shave. bbiab |
| 14:38 | <bd_> | .... wow. does killing kernel threads even work?! |
| 14:38 | <mwalling> | bd_: aparently not ;) |
| 14:39 | <iobright> | also looks like my CPU % went up to 382% about an hour ago.. maybe a hit in traffic or something |
| 14:40 | <eld101> | oom |
| 14:41 | <iobright> | eld101: oom caused cpu spike? |
| 14:42 | <eld101> | iobright: it happend to me |
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| 14:42 | <iobright> | are you hosted from Newark too? |
| 14:42 | <eld101> | yes |
| 14:43 | <iobright> | k |
| 14:43 | <mwalling> | your datacenter has nothing to do with the behavior of your system when oomkiller strikes |
| 14:43 | <mwalling> | its how the kernel behaves |
| 14:43 | <iobright> | ok, so this wasn't caused by my linode? |
| 14:43 | <mwalling> | no, it was |
| 14:44 | <mwalling> | you ran out of memory |
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| 14:44 | <eld101> | io: what services do you run? |
| 14:45 | <iobright> | apache, mysql, nginx, maybe some others.. pretty much anything I need for web development. |
| 14:46 | <iobright> | I haven't researched how to optimize server resources |
| 14:46 | <eld101> | thats a good place to start |
| 14:46 | <eld101> | you are on a 360 I'm assuming? |
| 14:47 | <iobright> | yeah |
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| 14:48 | <mwalling> | there are /proc/sys/kernel/ switches you can set to cause your linode to panic when it runs out of memory |
| 14:48 | <mwalling> | when that happens, your linode will shut down, and lassie will detect such and reboot |
| 14:48 | <mwalling> | that way you're in a more predictable state then with the oom killer |
| 14:49 | <iobright> | I tried to reboot the linode and Lish says: VFS: Mounted root (ext3 filesystem) readonly. |
| 14:49 | <iobright> | Freeing unused kernel memory: 204k freed |
| 14:49 | <iobright> | Warning: unable to open an initial console. |
| 14:49 | <mwalling> | do you have the helpers turned off in the configuration profile? |
| 14:52 | <iobright> | I don't know what those are. I haven't messed with them since I booted up for the first time. |
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| 15:03 | <HoopyCat> | Yaakov: just ordered an 80m transceiver kit for PSK31 use |
| 15:03 | <Yaakov> | Woo. |
| 15:03 | <Yaakov> | SDRE? |
| 15:04 | <Yaakov> | err |
| 15:04 | <Yaakov> | SDR |
| 15:05 | <HoopyCat> | Yaakov: you could call it that, i suppose... http://smallwonderlabs.com/Warbler.htm |
| 15:07 | <Yaakov> | Yes. SDR. |
| 15:07 | <Yaakov> | Fun. |
| 15:09 | <HoopyCat> | figure i might as well order it, as i kinda went for the upgrade after seeing this kit |
| 15:09 | <HoopyCat> | all it was doing was sitting on the left end of my tab bar, showing up in random ctrl-tab failures |
| 15:10 | <jkwood> | So when you taking the test? |
| 15:11 | <HoopyCat> | jkwood: http://twitter.com/hoopycat/status/1103259911 |
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| 15:11 | <jkwood> | \o/ |
| 15:12 | <jkwood> | I was going to bring my VE along and track you down if you couldn't find someplace to test. Congratulations! =D |
| 15:12 | <HoopyCat> | jkwood: it's all-you-can-pass for one low fee, so i went for /AE while i was there... missed by one |
| 15:13 | <Yaakov> | jkwood: I need to upgrade now, I can't have the young whippersnapper showing me up. |
| 15:14 | <Yaakov> | My problem is all the normal test sessions are on Saturday here, and that won't work. There should be at least one on-Campus session I can get on Sunday, I hope. |
| 15:14 | <jkwood> | HoopyCat: Well hey, maybe next time. The main thing that held me back was the antenna modeling stuff. |
| 15:14 | <jkwood> | Yaakov: All our testing sessions are on Sunday. :) |
| 15:14 | <HoopyCat> | jkwood: there seems to be less of that in the new version |
| 15:15 | <HoopyCat> | ontario county public safety training facility, first wednesday of the month, 7pm :-) |
| 15:15 | <jkwood> | Oh, that's right. I snuck in on the last version... but I only had the previous version of the book to study XD |
| 15:17 | <HoopyCat> | jkwood: almost no rules and procedures stuff, a lot of "a johnson-ibex diode, compared to an inverse zener diode, has the following advantages in variable frequency situations" stuff where i just guessed, and a bit of the good ol' find-the-impedence and how-long-to-discharge-the-capacitor stuff i know and love |
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| 15:18 | <jkwood> | Absolutely. You have a huge advantage over me on that... 90% of what I know of electronics theory comes from studying for my ticket. |
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| 15:19 | <HoopyCat> | jkwood: the element pool can't even come CLOSE to a frickin' ELT121 final exam. i didn't even need to take a sandwich break. |
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| 15:26 | <jkwood> | Sandwich break... Good idea. |
| 15:26 | <steve__> | my lish console appears to be frozen. any support people around that could take a look at it? |
| 15:26 | -!- | steve__ is now known as sz |
| 15:26 | * | jkwood sets irgeek on fire |
| 15:26 | <Yaakov> | jkwood: I am guessing that your test sessions are not in striking distance for me. |
| 15:27 | <jkwood> | Eldon, Missouri? |
| 15:27 | <Yaakov> | Well, if I left on a Thursday... |
| 15:28 | <Yaakov> | But seriously, I am going to hit the first session and go for Extra. |
| 15:28 | <sz> | or should i just open a support ticket? |
| 15:28 | <jkwood> | sz: That's the fastest way to get their attention. |
| 15:28 | <sz> | i screwed up my default route so i'm completely offline now |
| 15:28 | <sz> | heh |
| 15:28 | <@caker> | sz: if it's totally frozen, unfortunately there's not much we can do |
| 15:29 | <Yaakov> | I have had my ticket for more than 20 years. Got it at the MIT VE. |
| 15:29 | <jkwood> | ACtually, the fastest way to get their attention is for me to ping the wrong admin. |
| 15:29 | <jkwood> | *facepalm* |
| 15:29 | <@caker> | we're still trying to work through it and/or get newer kernels working which so far aren't affected in the same way |
| 15:30 | <sz> | caker: ok. a hard reboot shouldn't be too painful. |
| 15:30 | <Yaakov> | Howdy, caker. |
| 15:30 | <sz> | or does "shutdown" do an OS shutdown? |
| 15:30 | <sz> | from the linode manager. |
| 15:30 | <@caker> | it falls back to a hard shutdown after 2.5 minutes |
| 15:30 | <sz> | ok |
| 15:31 | <@caker> | is the entire Linode frozen, or just the console? |
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| 15:31 | <jkwood> | Yaakov: I've had mine for 11 now. Quite a bit has changed. |
| 15:31 | <sz> | caker: i accidently entered a default route change for my linode instead of another server. typed in the wrong xterm. :) |
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| 15:31 | <jkwood> | caker: <3 |
| 15:31 | <@caker> | sz: ah. |
| 15:32 | <mwalling> | you try control q? or what ever you need for flow control? |
| 15:32 | <mwalling> | (just in case?) |
| 15:32 | <Yaakov> | jkwood: Yes. Originaly only the code keptme from upgrading. I missed being grnadfathered in the rule change by two months. :( |
| 15:32 | <sz> | mwalling: i didn't, but it's too late now. rebooting.. |
| 15:32 | -!- | mode/#linode [-i] by caker |
| 15:33 | <jkwood> | Heh... I actually intended on upgrading to General just before the code went away. I missed the test session because I didn't have a copy of my license. >.< |
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| 15:35 | <Yaakov> | When I gotmy ticket I had to have 5WPM plus the tech/general exam. If I'd done 13, I'd have beena General. Oh well. |
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| 15:36 | <jkwood> | Yeah, that always messed with my head. |
| 15:38 | <Yaakov> | I don't like this keyboard. Combined with the ssh lag... bleh. |
| 15:38 | <jkwood> | Well heck... I suppose I should work on my antenna situation so I can get back on the air and harass HoopyCat. |
| 15:39 | <Yaakov> | jkwood: Load up your plumbing! |
| 15:39 | <HoopyCat> | jkwood: i've got an antenna situation too... i.e. no antenna :-) |
| 15:39 | <Yaakov> | Shunt feed it. |
| 15:39 | <b4> | Fetched 157MB in 3m21s (780kB/s) |
| 15:39 | <Yaakov> | I wish 10m was open. I can get on that. |
| 15:39 | <b4> | thats not my linode \o/ |
| 15:40 | <jkwood> | HoopyCat: Lowe's and 10 bucks will get you enough wire clothesline to build a dipole. |
| 15:40 | <Yaakov> | Eek. |
| 15:40 | * | Nivex loads up some speaker wire |
| 15:40 | <jkwood> | Actually, Walmart and ten bucks will get you the same thing. Lowes just offers plumbing stuff for a center insulator. |
| 15:41 | <Yaakov> | That horrible stuff, and vinyl-coated anything is REALLY bad. |
| 15:41 | <jkwood> | Works for me. :) |
| 15:41 | <Yaakov> | Zip cord, clothesline... |
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| 15:41 | <Yaakov> | We did some velocity testing on vinyl insulated stuff and it is amazingly lossy. |
| 15:42 | <Yaakov> | But, on the other hand, at HF frequencies it is less of an issue. |
| 15:42 | <jkwood> | Exactly. |
| 15:42 | <Yaakov> | Still, you can order decent copper stuff online. |
| 15:42 | <Yaakov> | Doesn |
| 15:42 | <Yaakov> | t Radio Shack still sell it? |
| 15:42 | <HoopyCat> | jkwood: don't really have anything to drive it with... i have an ol' drake T-4XB that i could probably deploy |
| 15:43 | <Yaakov> | HoopyCat: Have you got an IRLP repeater you can use? |
| 15:43 | <HoopyCat> | jkwood: it supports AM, CW, and RSB (Random Side Band) |
| 15:43 | <HoopyCat> | Yaakov: yeah, but that's cheatin' |
| 15:44 | <jkwood> | The Radio Shack here is pretty much worthless for that kind of thing. I can drive 20 miles to Stockton and do better, but not much. |
| 15:44 | <Yaakov> | I've got IRLP on my 440 machine. |
| 15:44 | <jkwood> | They at least have real coax. |
| 15:44 | <mwalling> | ratshack sucks now |
| 15:44 | <mwalling> | they're trying to be a best buy |
| 15:44 | <guinea-pig> | mall-based radioshacks are even worse |
| 15:45 | <mwalling> | there's non mall based ratshacks? |
| 15:45 | <jkwood> | They don't even have decent toys any more. |
| 15:45 | <guinea-pig> | mwalling: of course... all the old ones :) |
| 15:45 | <mwalling> | ah |
| 15:45 | <mwalling> | our old one is in an old mall |
| 15:46 | <jkwood> | It's weird... the one in north Springfield actually has a real parts drawer. I built a PSK31 interface using stuff from it. But they don't stock coax... go figure. |
| 15:47 | <Yaakov> | I don't like Radio Shack but the one we have is standalone and it has SOME stuff. |
| 15:48 | <guinea-pig> | yeah |
| 15:48 | <Yaakov> | In fact in the last couple of years it has improved a little. |
| 15:48 | <Yaakov> | But I buy most of my stuff online now. |
| 15:48 | <guinea-pig> | ever radioshack i've been to... the ones that are part of indoor malls are teh suck, but you can still get parts at the ones that aren't |
| 15:48 | <HoopyCat> | we've got 'em in each mall, but we've got a selection in strip malls as well |
| 15:49 | <jkwood> | HoopyCat: Any rig will do. My Heathkit SB1400 (nee Yaesu FT747GX) works wonders. |
| 15:49 | <Yaakov> | There are some good vendors and in the past I bought almost all surplus anyway. |
| 15:49 | <HoopyCat> | http://rocwiki.org/Radio_Shack |
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| 15:49 | <Yaakov> | The 747 is a nice rig, actually. |
| 15:49 | <Yaakov> | I have a Kenwood TS-450S/AT. |
| 15:50 | <HoopyCat> | jkwood: it's got vacuum tubes and more knobs than your mom's porn, and the power supply will throw your back out |
| 15:50 | <HoopyCat> | jkwood: frankly, i'm afraid of the bastard :-) |
| 15:50 | <Yaakov> | HoopyCat: Do you know how to load it up? |
| 15:50 | <jkwood> | I had to replace the carrier adjustment caps a while back... other than that, this "cheap little rig" is spot-on. |
| 15:50 | <jkwood> | HoopyCat: Then you'd hate my Swan 250C. |
| 15:51 | <HoopyCat> | Yaakov: NFC |
| 15:51 | <Yaakov> | HoopyCat: Don't turn it on. |
| 15:51 | <HoopyCat> | Yaakov: no risk of that |
| 15:51 | <Yaakov> | OK! Then, LEARN how to LOAD IT UP BABY. |
| 15:52 | <jkwood> | Tube rigs can actually be a lot of fun to use. |
| 15:53 | <Yaakov> | HoopyCat: I wrote a voicemail to email gateway for our IRLP node. |
| 15:53 | <jkwood> | (Although my secret dream is to own a Ten-Tec Jupiter.) |
| 15:53 | <HoopyCat> | http://www.flickr.com/photos/35187594@N00/3189155812/ |
| 15:53 | <Yaakov> | ANd a dealy that uses festival to report current weather conditions from METAR. |
| 15:54 | <HoopyCat> | Yaakov: if you're ever in town, stop on over and we can try to roll this beautiful bean footage |
| 15:55 | <Yaakov> | I occasinally find myself in NY State. |
| 15:55 | <b4> | my uant is having trouble plugging in the monitor >< |
| 15:55 | <jkwood> | Sexy. |
| 15:55 | * | HoopyCat plugs in ur uant |
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| 15:56 | <Yaakov> | Nice toaster! |
| 15:56 | <b4> | she says it doesn't fit |
| 15:56 | <Yaakov> | She probably has the connector upside down or is fighting with the serial port. |
| 15:56 | <HoopyCat> | Yaakov: i've never plugged the toaster in, either |
| 15:56 | <b4> | i forget which one was the serial port and which was the monitor |
| 15:57 | <Yaakov> | The monitor'ss connector will be blue. |
| 15:57 | <HoopyCat> | Yaakov: frankly, both it and the transmitter are things that have a nonzero chance of killing me :-) |
| 15:57 | <Yaakov> | HoopyCat: I love old toasters. |
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| 15:57 | <Yaakov> | I wish I had some money to pick up a really nice one. |
| 15:57 | <HoopyCat> | b4: the serial will be DB9 (two rows), the VGA will be DB15 (three rows) |
| 15:58 | <b4> | HoopyCat, k |
| 15:58 | <HoopyCat> | Yaakov: bought this from a friend for $5. he didn't need it any more, as he cancelled his electricity service. |
| 15:58 | <b4> | i wonder if pens are bent |
| 15:58 | <Yaakov> | The monitor's connector will be blue. |
| 15:58 | <b4> | HoopyCat, what did you buy? |
| 15:58 | <Yaakov> | HoopyCat: That's... odd. |
| 15:58 | <b4> | the system is a apckard bell xD |
| 15:58 | <HoopyCat> | b4: a toaster |
| 15:59 | <b4> | someone sold a toaster cuz they cancelled their electric? |
| 15:59 | <HoopyCat> | b4: yeah. it's an electric toaster. |
| 16:00 | <b4> | is it a powerufl toaster? |
| 16:00 | <HoopyCat> | b4: dunno, i haven't used it. |
| 16:01 | <Yaakov> | HoopyCat: This is a beauty: http://www.flickr.com/photos/35187594@N00/3189155812/ |
| 16:01 | <Yaakov> | Gah! |
| 16:01 | <HoopyCat> | isn't it? looks exactly like mine |
| 16:01 | <Yaakov> | http://cgi.ebay.com/1950s-VINTAGE-TOASTMASTER-2-SLICE-TOASTER-WORKS-1b14_W0QQitemZ360121566000QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item360121566000&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50#ebayphotohosting |
| 16:01 | <Yaakov> | That one. |
| 16:02 | <HoopyCat> | Yaakov: tinyurl.com loves you |
| 16:02 | * | jkwood hands Yaakov urlx.eu |
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| 16:02 | <jkwood> | I win. |
| 16:02 | <Yaakov> | Eh. Too much trouble on this machine. I just won't post ebay URLs. |
| 16:03 | <HoopyCat> | Yaakov: that is a nice-looking one... i like the little resistive etching on the side |
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| 16:04 | <olekvi> | Hi |
| 16:05 | <olekvi> | I might be blind, but shouldn't it be a "upgrade my old boring UML node to Xen now!" button somewhere in the web GUI? :) |
| 16:05 | <HoopyCat> | olekvi: open a ticket and there will be :-) |
| 16:05 | <Yaakov> | HoopyCat: It's a classic, to be sure. |
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| 16:06 | <Yaakov> | HoopyCat: SInce oyu probably don't know: http://www.toaster.org/ |
| 16:07 | <HoopyCat> | Yaakov: oh wow, that raisin bread on may... |
| 16:07 | <HoopyCat> | Yaakov: nice calendar they have |
| 16:08 | <Yaakov> | Heh. |
| 16:11 | <Yaakov> | Ah... MacBook Pro. |
| 16:11 | <Yaakov> | But... the keypboard is bigger. That cramped keyboard is messing up my typing. |
| 16:12 | <HoopyCat> | huh, apparently picking up a phone on the other team's sideline and yelling "WHASSSSSUP" is a 15-yard unsportsmanlike-conduct penalty |
| 16:13 | <olekvi> | HoopyCat: aha; just have to wait some days before all stupid DNS servers have dropped their MX caching ... |
| 16:13 | <HoopyCat> | olekvi: a migration from UML to Xen won't change your IP address... |
| 16:14 | <olekvi> | hoopycat: I know, but I'm moving things around, and I want to reinstall the Linode |
| 16:14 | <olekvi> | (so I've set up a backup MX) |
| 16:14 | <HoopyCat> | olekvi: ah. in THAT case, you can add a new linode (which'll be on xen), set stuff up there, and then remove your old linode when you're done, all with happy pro-rating goodness ;-) |
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| 16:15 | <HoopyCat> | coffee is for closers, and boy do i have some |
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| 16:15 | <jkwood> | Closers? |
| 16:15 | <olekvi> | Hoppy: umm, I already got to linodes, so it should work out quite well anyway |
| 16:15 | <olekvi> | Hoopy, sorry. |
| 16:16 | <olekvi> | and 'two' *errr* |
| 16:16 | <HoopyCat> | olekvi: no problem. :-) |
| 16:17 | <HoopyCat> | jkwood: http://www.whysanity.net/monos/ggr2.html |
| 16:18 | <olekvi> | I've only found one issue with Linode since sep 2004 - everything lives on the other side of the ocean .. |
| 16:18 | <HoopyCat> | olekvi: it's only getting worse as global warming continues |
| 16:18 | <olekvi> | I would love to see a European plant |
| 16:18 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 16:18 | <olekvi> | Hoopy: lol |
| 16:19 | <HoopyCat> | ok, bread needs coddlin', bbl |
| 16:21 | <jkwood> | HoopyCat: That sounds kind of familiar somehow. |
| 16:21 | <olekvi> | 64 bytes from fremont20.linode.com (64.71.152.6): icmp_seq=1 ttl=54 time=166 ms - it is a bit laggy for interactive ssh-ing from time to time |
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| 16:22 | <mwalling> | bah |
| 16:22 | <mwalling> | getting less then 2000ms was a good day on my old isp |
| 16:23 | <olekvi> | wirless? ;) |
| 16:23 | <olekvi> | wire |
| 16:23 | <jkwood> | Spacetubes! |
| 16:24 | <mwalling> | olekvi: http://fairaccess.hughesnet.com |
| 16:25 | <phennessy> | olekvi: you might get better response in newark |
| 16:25 | <phennessy> | !download |
| 16:25 | <phennessy> | oh yea, someone BROKE it |
| 16:25 | * | phennessy glares as selfishman |
| 16:25 | <jkwood> | !no-avail |
| 16:25 | * | linbot slaps jkwood |
| 16:25 | <Yaakov> | mwalling: You had pneumatic internet? |
| 16:25 | <jkwood> | Hmm... |
| 16:25 | <phennessy> | glares at too |
| 16:25 | <mwalling> | Yaakov: better, i had fap proof fap |
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| 16:25 | <mwalling> | !download2 |
| 16:26 | <jkwood> | !download |
| 16:26 | <linbot> | http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2636 |
| 16:26 | <jkwood> | BWAHAHAHA |
| 16:26 | <Yaakov> | !upload |
| 16:26 | <mwalling> | !urmomload |
| 16:26 | <jkwood> | !summer |
| 16:26 | <linbot> | http://www.summerglauonastick.co.uk |
| 16:26 | <phennessy> | !download |
| 16:26 | <jkwood> | !download |
| 16:26 | <linbot> | http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2636 |
| 16:26 | <phennessy> | someone made it so you had to register with the bot |
| 16:27 | * | jkwood blames Canadia |
| 16:27 | <phennessy> | !download |
| 16:27 | <phennessy> | heh |
| 16:27 | <Yaakov> | Clearly the abusive Canucks made it necessary. |
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| 16:29 | <olekvi> | phennessy: maybe, but it shouldn't be that much of a difference? |
| 16:30 | <phennessy> | try it and see |
| 16:30 | <phennessy> | see that forum link above |
| 16:30 | <phennessy> | there is a movie on each DC |
| 16:31 | <phennessy> | of course, if you move.. you need to change your ip |
| 16:31 | <olekvi> | bandwith isn't the problem :-) |
| 16:31 | <phennessy> | then just ping |
| 16:31 | <phennessy> | or traceroute |
| 16:32 | <olekvi> | I've used mtr, but as I said - getting over the ocean (from Europe) is the main concern ;) |
| 16:32 | <HoopyCat> | the US is big... it can be upwards of 100ms from left to right |
| 16:32 | * | SelfishMan glares back at phennessy |
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| 16:33 | <mwalling> | olekvi: newark is in newjersey, on the east coast |
| 16:33 | <mwalling> | olekvi: fremont is in California, on the west cost |
| 16:33 | <phennessy> | new jersey is where the fiber lands from europe |
| 16:33 | <olekvi> | mwalling: I know, but I can't see any real difference in ping times |
| 16:33 | <mwalling> | oh |
| 16:34 | <phennessy> | thats really hard to believe |
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| 16:34 | <mwalling> | phennessy: not if his isp peers with HE.net |
| 16:34 | <phennessy> | i guess |
| 16:34 | <olekvi> | err; newark is a bit better all the time |
| 16:34 | <phennessy> | light only moves so fast though |
| 16:35 | <olekvi> | Nice mc road on the movie, btw :-) |
| 16:36 | <supine> | olekvi: pastebin a 'mtr -rc 5' to each site? |
| 16:38 | <SelfishMan> | !calc 5000 miles /speed of light in ms |
| 16:38 | <linbot> | SelfishMan: (5000 miles) / the speed of light = 26.8409688 milliseconds |
| 16:38 | <HoopyCat> | mmm bread |
| 16:38 | <phennessy> | that would require a straight run though |
| 16:38 | <supine> | but it's a guesstimate anyway |
| 16:39 | <olekvi> | This is kinda interesting, last time I tried this there were only minor differences between fremont nad newark, now it is not. |
| 16:39 | <SelfishMan> | add 10-20 ms in latency for all the repeaters and then double it as that is only the one way number |
| 16:39 | <phennessy> | could be the time of day too, routes always change |
| 16:40 | <olekvi> | yep |
| 16:42 | <olekvi> | supine: http://pastebin.com/mf6f6e7 |
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| 16:42 | <HoopyCat> | olekvi: great use of shell, btw. :-) |
| 16:43 | <olekvi> | I'm built lazy |
| 16:45 | <supine> | i'm coming in from the other direction. Au -> Cali |
| 16:45 | <supine> | difference between fremont and newark is also ~80ms |
| 16:45 | <supine> | except fremont is closer obviously |
| 16:48 | <supine> | pacific is a leeeeeeeeetle bit bigger than the atlantic |
| 16:48 | <olekvi> | :) |
| 16:49 | <supine> | 5. 202.139.19.37 0.0% 5 16.3 16.2 15.9 16.5 0.3 |
| 16:49 | <supine> | 6. 203.208.192.241 0.0% 5 176.2 176.2 176.1 176.3 0.1 |
| 16:50 | <SelfishMan> | supine: I don't know, they both look the same from the shore! |
| 16:52 | <phennessy> | http://www.telegeography.com/products/map_cable/TG_CableMap_1200x1600.jpg |
| 16:54 | <supine> | SelfishMan: the view from my local looks a little like http://is.gd/fpn0 |
| 16:54 | <SelfishMan> | supine: Yeah, I know that view. Been a few years though |
| 16:54 | <olekvi> | someone should really speed up that light going through those fibers .. |
| 16:55 | <supine> | olekvi: the hamster gets tired pushing the light down the fibre |
| 16:55 | <SelfishMan> | It's not really the speed of light that's so slow it's the hardware at the ends and the repeaters in the middle |
| 16:55 | <HIghoS> | SelfishMan++! I wish more people understood that. |
| 16:55 | <supine> | SelfishMan: you're an expat? |
| 16:56 | <HIghoS> | SelfishMan: You parse XML?! |
| 16:57 | <SelfishMan> | supine: Nah, just spent some time there |
| 16:57 | <olekvi> | SelfishMan: well, they're getting faster, but the light isn't |
| 16:57 | <Yaakov> | Light is too slow. I am working on IP over Gossip. |
| 16:57 | <SelfishMan> | olekvi: Light is getting faster! Every time I look they have officially increased it's speed again |
| 16:58 | <olekvi> | :) |
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| 17:01 | <Yaakov> | mwalling: http://kovaya.com/documents/500_mile_email.txt |
| 17:05 | <Yaakov> | SpaceHobo: It is always best to compile stories from the source. |
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| 17:11 | <Nivex> | http://www.ibiblio.org/harris/500milemail.html |
| 17:13 | <Yaakov> | Nivex: ??? |
| 17:13 | <Yaakov> | It should be identical. |
| 17:13 | <Yaakov> | AH. |
| 17:14 | <Yaakov> | Well, noted. Need to add that to the copy I have. |
| 17:15 | <Yaakov> | Added! Thanks. |
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| 17:16 | <Yaakov> | I keep many things I find worth saving. |
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| 17:17 | <Yaakov> | I don't count on the other sources being available when I want them. I've been disappointed in the past. |
| 17:18 | <supine> | ah, the myth of the persistent web |
| 17:19 | <Yaakov> | But, actually, the URL is part of what I want to keep, along with the pithy part. |
| 17:19 | <Yaakov> | Some sites I refer to online I also mirror so I will have the content if they vanish, but I don't make the copy public. |
| 17:20 | <tjfontaine> | caker: woo kernel panic :) |
| 17:21 | <tjfontaine> | I presume this is the aforementioned 2.6.28 kernel bug |
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| 17:22 | <tjfontaine> | http://p.linode.com/1971 |
| 17:22 | <tjfontaine> | blech the new css on pastebin hurts spacing |
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| 17:26 | <Nivex> | heh, it still says "runs on a Linode 300" |
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| 17:28 | <olekvi> | Anyone using a remote backup provider like rsync.net? |
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| 17:29 | <bob2> | yes |
| 17:29 | <olekvi> | like? |
| 17:29 | <bob2> | rsync.net and s3 |
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| 17:30 | <olekvi> | what would you recommend? |
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| 17:30 | <bob2> | s3 is cheaper, but the amount of data is small enough that I just use both |
| 17:30 | <tjfontaine> | there is a soon forth coming solution created by linode as well |
| 17:30 | <bob2> | RSN(tm)! |
| 17:31 | <olekvi> | tjfontaine: any more information? |
| 17:31 | <tjfontaine> | just that it's in the pipe and is moving along swimingly |
| 17:31 | <olekvi> | right now I'm using a second linode for backup, but that is kinda ... ;) |
| 17:31 | <supine> | linode roulette? |
| 17:31 | <Peng_> | FWIW, if you happen to be a DreamHost customer, they have a backup thingy now that's about as cheap as S3. It's similar to rsync.net, except without as many features. |
| 17:32 | <jkwood> | If caker would stop doing stuff like sleeping and celebrating holidays and weekends, we'd have it by now. |
| 17:32 | <Peng_> | (Yes, I know, everybody's favorite web host...) |
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| 17:35 | <olekvi> | well. talking about sleeping. . z Z |
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| 17:41 | <bd_> | awesome, btrfs and squashfs were merged into .29-rc1 |
| 17:41 | <tjfontaine> | about time :) |
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| 17:43 | <FFEMTcJ> | home finally.. |
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| 17:47 | * | Yaakov squashes tjfontaine. |
| 17:51 | <Yaakov> | Hope I didn't squash him too hard. |
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| 18:16 | <teknicaL> | Does anyone know of any postgresql 7.4 package I can use on Ubuntu 8.04? I don't want to build it from source, when it really isn't necessary. |
| 18:16 | <mwalling> | why dont you just build it into a deb? |
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| 18:17 | <mwalling> | that way you have the joy of packaging it, but the customization of building it |
| 18:18 | <pygi> | teknicaL, three words for you |
| 18:18 | <pygi> | PPA |
| 18:18 | <pygi> | mwalling, because not everyone is a DM ? xD |
| 18:19 | <teknicaL> | pygi, technically those are three letters.. |
| 18:19 | <mwalling> | whats a DM? |
| 18:19 | <jkwood> | Dungeon Master. |
| 18:19 | <pygi> | teknicaL, its an acronym :p |
| 18:19 | <pygi> | mwalling, Debian Maintainer :p |
| 18:19 | <jkwood> | Which is what you have to be to build Debian packages. |
| 18:20 | <mwalling> | ummm |
| 18:20 | <mwalling> | i build debs with dh-make-perl all the time |
| 18:20 | <jkwood> | Everyone thinks it's a Linux distro. In reality, it's a giant game of D&D. |
| 18:20 | <Internat> | its not hard to make your own debian packages.. |
| 18:20 | <Internat> | dont have to put them in the debian repos, but you can still make/compil your own. |
| 18:20 | <mwalling> | why cant you do the same with autocrap packages? |
| 18:21 | <Internat> | dpkg-buildpackage or something like that. |
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| 18:22 | <pygi> | Internat, rather pbuilder if you're trying to teach him the right way :p |
| 18:22 | <Internat> | depends.. |
| 18:23 | <pygi> | well, for building binaries... |
| 18:23 | <jkwood> | Which is why I use Slackware. ;) |
| 18:23 | <Internat> | that said most of my stuff is normaplly just modifications to the existing packages. |
| 18:23 | <pygi> | debuild too :) |
| 18:23 | <Internat> | apt-get source package.. |
| 18:23 | <Internat> | make changes.. dpkg-buildpackage |
| 18:23 | <mwalling> | heh |
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| 18:25 | * | mwalling agrees with what jkwood said... building a package in slackware is as easy as setting DESTDIR when you do 'make install' , then taking that tree and turning it into a package with makepkg(8) |
| 18:25 | <HoopyCat> | 7.4 is ollld |
| 18:25 | <teknicaL> | Hobbsee, I have no use for 8.x |
| 18:26 | <mwalling> | tab fail. |
| 18:26 | <teknicaL> | HoopyCat, even |
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| 18:26 | <HoopyCat> | teknicaL: 8.3.5's prevailing feature is that it's included with ubuntu 8.04 :-) |
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| 18:27 | <teknicaL> | HoopyCat, 8.x breaks my script. |
| 18:27 | <HoopyCat> | teknicaL: in theory, you might be able to grab a 7.4 deb from an earlier ubuntu; however, it'll probably break some dependencies for other stuff |
| 18:28 | <teknicaL> | I *could* fix it, but I don't feel like it. ;x |
| 18:28 | <HoopyCat> | well, it's either fix the script or go through living hell |
| 18:29 | <teknicaL> | I could just build 7.4.23 from source |
| 18:30 | <HoopyCat> | teknicaL: i might recommend using a different distro |
| 18:30 | <teknicaL> | Why ? |
| 18:31 | <mwalling> | build your own .deb |
| 18:31 | <HoopyCat> | teknicaL: a lot of things have postgresql as a dependency; you can fool those, but then if an update comes down for postgresql it'll blow up |
| 18:32 | <supine> | apt/preferences can help there though |
| 18:32 | <mwalling> | but now you're getting crazy. you might as well fix your script to work with 8 and on |
| 18:33 | <teknicaL> | I personally never used or installed something that required or depends on postgresql, so I think I may be safe. |
| 18:34 | <HoopyCat> | plus, postgresql is a network service, so there's security patching considerations |
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| 18:35 | <mwalling> | teknicaL: i think the ammoutn of effort required keeping your postgres stuck in 7.x is greater then updating your script to 8.x |
| 18:35 | <HoopyCat> | you can do what you want; i'm just a lazy mofo and would just fix the script |
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| 18:41 | <TwistOfFate> | guys, if i multiple a records for an ip |
| 18:41 | <TwistOfFate> | is it wise to have multiple corresponding ptr's? |
| 18:42 | <SelfishMan> | no |
| 18:42 | <HoopyCat> | TwistOfFate: each IP should have one PTR |
| 18:42 | <SelfishMan> | multiple PTRs does nothing but pollute teh interwebs |
| 18:42 | <bob2> | you can have more |
| 18:42 | <mwalling> | the PTR should point to the conocal hostname |
| 18:42 | <bob2> | but most stuff that cares about rDNS appear to ignore multi[ple PTRs and will just pick one randomly |
| 18:42 | <SelfishMan> | Yes, You *can* but they offer nothing |
| 18:42 | <mwalling> | like postfix |
| 18:43 | <HoopyCat> | mwalling meant to say "canonical" |
| 18:43 | <TwistOfFate> | ok. so one ptr record. and it should really be for the primary hostname. |
| 18:43 | <SelfishMan> | Most things will use the first PTR the DNS returns. Since the DNS servers typically return things in a random order it will vary |
| 18:44 | <TwistOfFate> | thanks guys |
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| 18:48 | <TwistOfFate> | one more question |
| 18:48 | <TwistOfFate> | the name servers returned when you whois a domain...the dns doesn't actually use this does it? |
| 18:48 | <TwistOfFate> | it's just interested in the domain's ns records? |
| 18:48 | <SelfishMan> | yes it does |
| 18:49 | <SelfishMan> | those are the servers that are asked for the answer to *any* record lookup |
| 18:49 | <HoopyCat> | TwistOfFate: they'll usually matched, but it's done by the NS records from your TLD's nameservers |
| 18:49 | <HoopyCat> | TwistOfFate: s/matched/match/ |
| 18:50 | <HoopyCat> | TwistOfFate: the nameservers for, say, .com are [a-k or so].gtld-servers.net, so if you ask a.gtld-servers.net for NS records for hoopycat.com, it'll give you the real scoop. which matches whois. |
| 18:50 | <TwistOfFate> | ahh right |
| 18:50 | <bob2> | they should match, but they are different systems |
| 18:51 | <HoopyCat> | in the event of a discrepancy, reality will match the NS records from the TLD's nameservers :-) |
| 18:51 | <SelfishMan> | When you update the NS records at your registrar it pushes the new info to whois and the root servers. Assuming the data isn't stale they will always match |
| 18:51 | <HoopyCat> | SelfishMan: unless something breaks..... |
| 18:51 | <HoopyCat> | .... which doesn't happen 99.999% of the time |
| 18:51 | <SelfishMan> | Then the data is stale |
| 18:53 | <HoopyCat> | awww, the muff rule |
| 18:55 | <TwistOfFate> | hmmm |
| 18:56 | <TwistOfFate> | when i ask the name server of the tld for the ns record of the domain |
| 18:56 | <TwistOfFate> | i don't get an answer, only an authority section |
| 18:56 | <HoopyCat> | TwistOfFate: what's the domain? |
| 18:56 | <bd_> | and which name server are you asking? |
| 18:56 | <TwistOfFate> | whoknew.net.au |
| 18:56 | <TwistOfFate> | i did dig ns net.au |
| 18:57 | <TwistOfFate> | and then did dig @one_of_net.au_server ns whoknew.net.au |
| 18:58 | <HoopyCat> | TwistOfFate: "dig @dns1.telstra.net ns whoknew.net.au" works for me |
| 18:58 | <TwistOfFate> | hmm |
| 18:58 | <TwistOfFate> | i was using the ausregistry servers |
| 18:59 | <TwistOfFate> | i just get an authority section |
| 18:59 | <TwistOfFate> | not an answer section |
| 19:00 | <TwistOfFate> | is that all i should receive? |
| 19:00 | <supine> | what are you asking for? |
| 19:00 | <HoopyCat> | TwistOfFate: "dig @a.root-servers.net ns whoknew.net.au" gives me a set of servers; i pick sec3.apnic.net, then ns2.ausregistry.net.au, then i get your 3 NS records |
| 19:01 | <TwistOfFate> | i would've ok |
| 19:01 | <TwistOfFate> | so |
| 19:01 | <bd_> | TwistOfFate: the authority section basically means 'ask these servers for an official answer' |
| 19:01 | <TwistOfFate> | oh right |
| 19:01 | <TwistOfFate> | so it is working after all |
| 19:01 | <bd_> | and indeed, if you ask those servers you get the right answer |
| 19:01 | <supine> | which is 100% correct |
| 19:02 | <b4> | -__ |
| 19:02 | <b4> | i broke freebsd |
| 19:02 | <TwistOfFate> | thanks for your help guys |
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| 19:02 | <HoopyCat> | b4: INCONCEIVABLE. |
| 19:02 | <b4> | my non-remote-accessible systems follow a naming scheme |
| 19:02 | <HoopyCat> | TwistOfFate: np :-) |
| 19:03 | <b4> | HoopyCat, it wouldn't boot |
| 19:04 | <erikh> | freebsd has acpi problems |
| 19:04 | <erikh> | to put it lightly |
| 19:04 | <b4> | no /boot/loader |
| 19:05 | <erikh> | oh, that's a different problem. :) |
| 19:05 | <erikh> | but yeah, getting freebsd to work on non-legacy systems (e.g., no ps/2 mouse/keyboard) can be a royal PITA. |
| 19:08 | <jtsage> | erikh - try adding a usb kvm sometime... |
| 19:08 | <HoopyCat> | damnable heat vent blew shut... no wonder it's cold in here |
| 19:09 | <b4> | erikh, 1995-era systems!? |
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| 19:11 | * | HoopyCat makes crunchy sounds with his knee |
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| 19:17 | <Yaakov> | Watch out for zambofeca, he is the same as the previous one. |
| 19:17 | <Yaakov> | The spamming racist. |
| 19:18 | <jkwood> | The tjfontaine will protect us. |
| 19:18 | <HoopyCat> | tjfontaine is love, and love is tjfontaine. |
| 19:19 | <jkwood> | The scott, on the other hand... |
| 19:19 | <HoopyCat> | the moon is full, and it is now time to sacrifice a whopper virgin to the tjfontaine |
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| 19:20 | <tjfontaine> | mmmmm whopper virgins |
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| 19:25 | <erikh> | b4: no, no ports for them at all |
| 19:25 | <erikh> | so like, in the last 5 years tops |
| 19:25 | <b4> | can I get 7.0 to run on that? |
| 19:25 | <b4> | (7.1 won't work) |
| 19:25 | <erikh> | I tried with 7.0 |
| 19:26 | <erikh> | disabling ACPI might help |
| 19:26 | <erikh> | you should be able to boot without it at the boot menu |
| 19:30 | <checkers> | erikh: USB support for keyboards has worked fine with freebsd since 6 |
| 19:30 | <erikh> | that's not what I'm saying |
| 19:31 | <erikh> | it works great when there's ps/2 ports |
| 19:31 | <erikh> | when they aren't there (like on some modern systems, particularly dell/hp machines) it fails |
| 19:31 | <erikh> | just panics |
| 19:31 | <erikh> | could be just GENERIC flipping out, to |
| 19:31 | <erikh> | too |
| 19:32 | <tjfontaine> | indeed |
| 19:34 | <b4> | 7.1 hates me |
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| 19:35 | <fuzzman442> | hello... |
| 19:36 | <FFEMTcJ> | hi |
| 19:36 | <fuzzman442> | i am interested in setting up a vps with linode... could you answer a question or two for me? |
| 19:36 | <FFEMTcJ> | i can try |
| 19:36 | <jkwood> | !ask |
| 19:36 | <Palintheus> | !ask |
| 19:36 | <linbot> | Don't ask to ask; just ASK |
| 19:36 | <linbot> | Don't ask to ask; just ASK |
| 19:36 | <Palintheus> | >_> |
| 19:36 | <jkwood> | I win. |
| 19:36 | <fuzzman442> | haha |
| 19:36 | <fuzzman442> | ok |
| 19:36 | <HoopyCat> | jkwood WINS |
| 19:36 | <fuzzman442> | point taken |
| 19:37 | <fuzzman442> | does the linode custom kernel support modules? |
| 19:37 | <bob2> | yes |
| 19:37 | <fuzzman442> | and is it possible/recommended to use the kernel that comes with the distro? |
| 19:37 | <bob2> | also custom kernels (but that is unsupported) |
| 19:37 | <bob2> | yes (unsupported)/no |
| 19:38 | <fuzzman442> | yes if the linode custom supports modules then i dont really see a need to run the distro kernel |
| 19:38 | <fuzzman442> | but the vps company i am with now doesn't support modules, and it is causing me problems |
| 19:38 | <mwalling> | fuzzman442: linode provides kernels with almost everything possible set to Y in the config. Xen hosts (if you buy now thats wehre you land) support modules |
| 19:38 | <bob2> | lame |
| 19:38 | <mwalling> | kernel source is available at http://linode.com/src/ |
| 19:39 | <fuzzman442> | awesome. |
| 19:39 | <fuzzman442> | so you guys are customers or staff? |
| 19:39 | <FFEMTcJ> | customers |
| 19:39 | <mwalling> | ops are staff |
| 19:39 | <fuzzman442> | ok |
| 19:39 | <mwalling> | we're lamers who spend too much time on irc |
| 19:39 | <jkwood> | I'm a bot! |
| 19:39 | <fuzzman442> | haha |
| 19:39 | <fuzzman442> | lucky for me |
| 19:40 | <FFEMTcJ> | fuzzman442: do you have a referrer? |
| 19:40 | <fuzzman442> | so what do you guys think about the service in general? |
| 19:40 | <fuzzman442> | no i don't. |
| 19:40 | <FFEMTcJ> | i like it.. tis why im here.. |
| 19:40 | <FFEMTcJ> | mind using my code then? |
| 19:40 | <mwalling> | ... |
| 19:40 | <fuzzman442> | it seems like that might be frowned upon |
| 19:41 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 19:41 | <fuzzman442> | lol |
| 19:41 | <mwalling> | FFEMTcJ: you refered fuzzman442 ? |
| 19:41 | <bob2> | classey! |
| 19:41 | <fuzzman442> | since im in a public chatroom with ops |
| 19:41 | <fuzzman442> | haha |
| 19:41 | <FFEMTcJ> | mwalling: sure.. why not |
| 19:41 | <mwalling> | FFEMTcJ: also, we have ReferralBot for this |
| 19:41 | <mwalling> | /msg ReferralBot add $YOURREFCODE |
| 19:41 | <fuzzman442> | so any advice for the new guy before i pull the trigger on a vps? |
| 19:41 | <mwalling> | fuzzman442: fire away |
| 19:41 | <tjfontaine> | pick linode cause it's the best |
| 19:42 | <bob2> | fuzzman442: just remember that it is a completely unmanaged service |
| 19:42 | <tjfontaine> | ReferralBot: getcode |
| 19:42 | <ReferralBot> | http://www.linode.com/?r=983312bf0b4eb3f4b57cd1fc2cd5bca2047cb87e |
| 19:42 | <jkwood> | For serious. It's teh best. |
| 19:42 | <fuzzman442> | i sent an email to support asking those questions earlier... haven't received a reply yet |
| 19:42 | <fuzzman442> | is there a different support mechanism for customers? |
| 19:42 | <mwalling> | yes |
| 19:42 | <mwalling> | we have a ticketing system |
| 19:43 | <mwalling> | tied into the staff's paging system |
| 19:43 | <fuzzman442> | ok so i assume the response time would be faster for a customer? |
| 19:43 | <fuzzman442> | ok i remember reading that |
| 19:43 | * | tjfontaine ties mwalling up |
| 19:43 | <mwalling> | mmm baby |
| 19:43 | <fuzzman442> | haha |
| 19:43 | <jkwood> | Certain things are handled on a when-we-get-time basis. |
| 19:44 | <fuzzman442> | ok guys thanks for the help. take it easy. you might be seeing be around in the future. |
| 19:44 | <fuzzman442> | understood |
| 19:44 | <fuzzman442> | :) |
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| 19:44 | <mwalling> | NABSUN LLC DBA COMFORT INN WARRENTON UU-208-253-90-72-D11 (NET-208-253-90-72-1) |
| 19:44 | <mwalling> | o_O |
| 19:45 | * | jkwood spams mwalling's new facebook email |
| 19:45 | <mwalling> | a comfort in gets an entire netblock? |
| 19:45 | <mwalling> | fscking facebook |
| 19:45 | <HoopyCat> | mwalling: it's only a /29 |
| 19:45 | <mwalling> | all i wanted was for notifications to go to -facebook |
| 19:45 | <mwalling> | HoopyCat: oh |
| 19:45 | <bob2> | it is a /29 |
| 19:46 | <bob2> | good on mci having customer records available like that |
| 19:46 | <mwalling> | RR doesnt actually delegate netblocks like that for their /29s |
| 19:46 | <supine> | a legacy from uunet |
| 19:46 | <HoopyCat> | mwalling: i think they run their own rwhois server? |
| 19:46 | <mwalling> | they do? |
| 19:47 | <HoopyCat> | technically, anything /29 or shorter should be SWIP'd or rwhois'd |
| 19:48 | * | jkwood SWIPs HoopyCat |
| 19:49 | <tjfontaine> | oooh |
| 19:50 | <mwalling> | HoopyCat: my firehouse just says "network:Organization;I:Road Runner Commercial |
| 19:50 | <mwalling> | thats for a /23 |
| 19:51 | * | mwalling looks to see whats wrong with his damn dovecot |
| 19:51 | <HoopyCat> | mwalling: i've never gotten rwhois to work right over here, now that you mention it |
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| 19:57 | <HoopyCat> | yaknow, i should become a pittsburgh fan |
| 19:58 | <tjfontaine> | fuck that |
| 19:58 | <HoopyCat> | the bills ain't doin it |
| 19:58 | <HoopyCat> | and pittsburgh isn't THAT much further |
| 19:59 | <tjfontaine> | cleveland ;) |
| 19:59 | <HoopyCat> | c'mon, ohio isn't even a neighboring state |
| 20:00 | <jkwood> | Raiders WHOOO |
| 20:00 | <tjfontaine> | PA is a pretty fast travel near the top ;) |
| 20:00 | <jkwood> | Silly tjfontaine... There's no traveling in footbal. |
| 20:00 | <tjfontaine> | :) |
| 20:01 | <mwalling> | jkwood: there you go. fixed, no more looking at ugly email addreses |
| 20:01 | <HoopyCat> | aww, it's the cute diet dr. pepper ad |
| 20:01 | <HoopyCat> | s/dr\./dr/ # no . in dr pepper |
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| 20:04 | * | mwalling hits f5 a bunch of times on Yaakov's blag to increase his hit counter |
| 20:05 | <Yaakov> | mwalling: Vandal! |
| 20:05 | <mwalling> | Yaakov: Poor code design! |
| 20:06 | * | mwalling notices that the cut over time for his MX records was really fast |
| 20:06 | <Yaakov> | Not really, it is doing exactly what it is supposed to, according to the spec. |
| 20:07 | <mwalling> | heh |
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| 20:12 | <zxvf> | Yaakov: how come you are connecting from 255.255.255.255 ? |
| 20:12 | <zxvf> | black magic. |
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| 20:13 | <HoopyCat> | zxvf: he's here on a diplomatic visa |
| 20:14 | <mwalling> | you work for cisco, you should know how that works |
| 20:15 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 20:15 | <b4> | lol |
| 20:15 | <b4> | ssh brute-force is increasing my IO rate |
| 20:15 | <zxvf> | you need ban_romanians.pl |
| 20:16 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 20:16 | <b4> | lol |
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| 20:16 | <Nivex> | ban_urmom.pl |
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| 20:19 | <zxvf> | i have 812 hosts blocked from ssh brute forcers :/ |
| 20:19 | <Nivex> | most people I know use denyhosts |
| 20:19 | <zxvf> | yes i am using denyhosts |
| 20:20 | <vxdscn> | Hello, I am wondering how much bandwidth are allocated per VPS plan ? |
| 20:20 | <zxvf> | but i wrote a perlscript for a class that was ban_romanians.pl |
| 20:20 | <zxvf> | which did the same thing |
| 20:20 | <zxvf> | vxdscn: did you try reading hte lindoe website? |
| 20:20 | <zxvf> | http://www.linode.com/index.cfm |
| 20:20 | <zxvf> | read the bottom, where it describes all the plans, and says 'transfer" |
| 20:20 | <vxdscn> | yeah it didn't say.. |
| 20:21 | <zxvf> | yes, it does. in large bold print |
| 20:21 | <zxvf> | the smallest plan has 200GB/month |
| 20:21 | <zxvf> | then to 300GB, then 400, 600, 800, 1600 |
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| 20:21 | <supine> | vxdscn: if you mean max throughput, it's capped at 35Mb/s i believe |
| 20:22 | <@caker> | outgoing only. incoming is unrestricted |
| 20:22 | <@caker> | and it's adjustible if you really hit the limit |
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| 20:22 | <supine> | caker: anyone actually needed that? |
| 20:22 | <romesa> | any advice for someone new to VPS's, on linux distros, and disk image setups? |
| 20:22 | <vxdscn> | what's the size of the pipe on the Xen servers ? |
| 20:22 | <@caker> | supine: no. People want it but never need it |
| 20:23 | <zxvf> | romesa: use the debian image, on a linode vps |
| 20:23 | <mwalling> | gigE? |
| 20:23 | <@caker> | vxdscn: faster than you'll ever need |
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| 20:24 | <mwalling> | romesa: error: scope to large. please narrow your question's scope and try again. |
| 20:24 | <jkwood> | romesa: Slackware. :) |
| 20:25 | <Deviation> | CentOS |
| 20:26 | <Deviation> | Going to start another "my distro is better than yours" war |
| 20:26 | <romesa> | I suppose each distro has it's pros and cons, but what I'm really wondering about are disk image and partitioning schemes |
| 20:27 | <Deviation> | root & swapwhat else ya need? |
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| 20:27 | <chopp> | cool, linbot no longer replies with "people still use slackware?" (or whatever it was). :) |
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| 20:27 | <mwalling> | romesa: you get a chunk of disk (think hard drive), and you create images (think partitions). you then mount those images to device nodes in the configuration profile |
| 20:27 | <mwalling> | er, s/mount/assign/ |
| 20:28 | <romesa> | so it is pretty much like hd partitions |
| 20:28 | <Deviation> | yes |
| 20:28 | <mwalling> | jup |
| 20:28 | <romesa> | cool, ok |
| 20:28 | <Deviation> | don't get all partition crazy though |
| 20:28 | <Deviation> | like i said, root & swap |
| 20:28 | <mwalling> | with a small twist... you can create a "raw" image, and then partition that from inside your linode, but then you can't use the host's resize functionality |
| 20:28 | <mwalling> | Deviation: why not? |
| 20:29 | <Deviation> | mwalling: why would you? you won't gain anything |
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| 20:29 | <Deviation> | aside from maybe organization |
| 20:29 | <mwalling> | Deviation: not having to mount your entire filesystem with quota, just /home ? |
| 20:29 | <Deviation> | What's that save you? |
| 20:30 | <HoopyCat> | splitting off /home is handy if you decide to switch distros, etc, down the line |
| 20:30 | <Nivex> | I have /home as its own filesystem in case I need to blow away the distro and reinstall. makes it so ... |
| 20:30 | <Nivex> | what HoopyCat said |
| 20:30 | <Deviation> | Yeo |
| 20:30 | <Deviation> | Yep |
| 20:30 | <HoopyCat> | but doing the old-school /, /boot, /usr, /var, /opt, /home, /usr/local, /var/spool, /tmp thing is silly |
| 20:31 | <Deviation> | That's what I'm getting at |
| 20:31 | <HoopyCat> | unless you're running a busy mail or news server, of course, in which case splitting off its /var/spool stronghold can help defer the pain train |
| 20:31 | <Deviation> | If it was a physical server, then I could see a case for mounting /, /tmp, and swap |
| 20:31 | <Deviation> | true |
| 20:31 | <romesa> | so creating separate partitions (disk-images) for /boot, /usr, /var, and all that isn't really needed |
| 20:31 | <mwalling> | romesa: no |
| 20:32 | <mwalling> | romesa: infact the distro wizard will only create 1 partition + swap |
| 20:32 | <jkwood> | chopp: That was mikegrb. |
| 20:32 | <chopp> | jkwood: ahh right. |
| 20:32 | <jkwood> | And for the record, Slackware. |
| 20:32 | <romesa> | unless, like the above mentioned, i wanted to switch distros, down the line |
| 20:33 | <jkwood> | *cough* Slackware *cough* |
| 20:33 | <Deviation> | right |
| 20:33 | <checkers> | write(1, "root 9 0.0 0.0 0 "..., 79root 9 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? SN Jan09 0:00 [ksoftirqd/3] |
| 20:33 | <jkwood> | Wow... maybe he turned it off. |
| 20:33 | <checkers> | ) = 79 |
| 20:33 | <checkers> | stat64("/proc/10", <unfinished ...> |
| 20:33 | <checkers> | awesome, ps crashing |
| 20:33 | <mwalling> | slackware |
| 20:33 | <checkers> | +++ killed by SIGSEGV +++ |
| 20:33 | <@mikegrb> | ! people still use slackware?!?! |
| 20:33 | <HoopyCat> | jkwood: the slackware trigger was fairly random |
| 20:33 | <Deviation> | heh |
| 20:34 | <HoopyCat> | and continues to be such |
| 20:34 | <mwalling> | jkwood: i think people like you and i are blacklisted |
| 20:34 | <romesa> | I tried out slackware 12.1 at home, wasn't so bad |
| 20:34 | <jkwood> | It's awesome for a server. So clean. |
| 20:34 | <jkwood> | (Not half bad for a desktop, either.) |
| 20:35 | <mwalling> | romesa: i love it for stuff where i want to tinker hard (like my server or my eeepc), but i run ubuntu on my desktop |
| 20:35 | <jkwood> | !ubuntu |
| 20:35 | <jkwood> | Oh, we have to fix that. |
| 20:35 | <mwalling> | romesa: get a linode in dallas, deploy slackware, and you can upgrade to 12.1 and 12.2 from my server ;) |
| 20:35 | <checkers> | you want to tinker on your server?? |
| 20:35 | <Deviation> | checkers: probably not used for business |
| 20:35 | <HoopyCat> | not everyone keeps their business in the same place, captain |
| 20:36 | <romesa> | I already chose a linode in Cali, haven't run the distro wiz yet tho, wanted to clear some things b4 that |
| 20:36 | <jkwood> | !ubuntu |
| 20:36 | <linbot> | mwalling is a noob |
| 20:36 | <b4> | -_- |
| 20:36 | <faceman> | -_- |
| 20:36 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 20:36 | <Deviation> | lol |
| 20:36 | <b4> | write out the word b4 |
| 20:36 | <b4> | before* |
| 20:36 | <mwalling> | FAIL |
| 20:36 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 20:36 | <romesa> | lol, got it |
| 20:36 | <mwalling> | !no-avail |
| 20:36 | * | linbot slaps jkwood |
| 20:36 | <jkwood> | b[tab] |
| 20:36 | <Nivex> | before b4 there was b5 |
| 20:37 | <HoopyCat> | i thought b3? |
| 20:37 | <romesa> | bingo |
| 20:37 | <HoopyCat> | banana |
| 20:37 | <Nivex> | cantaloupe |
| 20:37 | <jkwood> | !summer |
| 20:37 | <linbot> | http://www.summerglauonastick.co.uk |
| 20:37 | <HoopyCat> | Nivex: doesn't start with a b. FAIL |
| 20:37 | <Nivex> | deathstar |
| 20:37 | <Nivex> | Egon Spengler |
| 20:37 | <b4> | !deathstar |
| 20:37 | <HoopyCat> | oh! i see what you did there. |
| 20:37 | <b4> | i have a 13GB deathstar |
| 20:37 | <b4> | that works |
| 20:38 | <Nivex> | sorry, I'm way too random for my own good tonight |
| 20:38 | <Deviation> | !winter |
| 20:39 | <Nivex> | !urmom |
| 20:39 | <linbot> | http://tinyurl.com/8wca6c |
| 20:39 | <Nivex> | wow, wasn't expecting an answer |
| 20:39 | <HoopyCat> | linbot is very familiar with urmom |
| 20:40 | <@caker> | "urmom is generally used as a response to anything on the internet, usually by people of a somewhat simple nature. " |
| 20:40 | <@caker> | :( |
| 20:40 | <m0unds> | doh |
| 20:40 | <Nivex> | urmom is of a somewhat simple nature |
| 20:40 | <m0unds> | how does that make you feel? |
| 20:40 | <HoopyCat> | caker: urmom is people of a somewhat simple nature |
| 20:40 | <Yaakov> | caker: Who said that? urmom? |
| 20:41 | <Nivex> | m0unds: what are you, an Eliza bot? |
| 20:41 | <m0unds> | sure am. |
| 20:41 | <Yaakov> | Nivex: We are talking about you, not m0unds. |
| 20:41 | <Nivex> | m0unds: tell me more |
| 20:41 | <jkwood> | !winter |
| 20:41 | <linbot> | It's cold enough to test your frosticles outside! |
| 20:41 | <m0unds> | i don't want to. |
| 20:41 | <jkwood> | (You have to be registered with the bot) |
| 20:41 | <HoopyCat> | press to test, release to detonate |
| 20:41 | <HoopyCat> | (as urmom knows all too well) |
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| 20:42 | <jkwood> | Hey... stop sending me register commands! I'm not simple like linbot, ya know. |
| 20:42 | <Yaakov> | No match for "CAKERSMOM.COM". |
| 20:43 | <HoopyCat> | Yaakov: i'd say urmom is more than a match for caker's mom |
| 20:43 | <jkwood> | HoopyCat: I was not designed off the brain patterns of tjfontaine, kthxbye. |
| 20:44 | <checkers> | urmum wasn't designed for MY brain patters, if you get what I mean |
| 20:44 | <HoopyCat> | jkwood: hee hee |
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| 20:46 | <HoopyCat> | i swear, this channel is a PRNG sometimes |
| 20:46 | <mwalling> | this channel is a graphic? |
| 20:47 | <m0unds> | mwalling: fail. |
| 20:47 | <HoopyCat> | mwalling: urmom is graphic |
| 20:47 | <romesa> | pseudo random number generator, |
| 20:47 | <tjfontaine> | p- |
| 20:47 | <tjfontaine> | er o0 |
| 20:47 | <romesa> | just looked it up |
| 20:48 | <jkwood> | tjfontaine: Licking toothpicks again? |
| 20:48 | <m0unds> | mmm, laquer |
| 20:48 | * | SelfishMan heard urmom jokes and came running |
| 20:48 | <tjfontaine> | jkwood: yes |
| 20:48 | <tjfontaine> | jkwood: how did you know |
| 20:48 | <jkwood> | I'm pretty sure that's what that smiley is. |
| 20:48 | <jkwood> | p- |
| 20:48 | <tjfontaine> | heh |
| 20:49 | <m0unds> | http://i44.tinypic.com/5ue986.png |
| 20:49 | <tjfontaine> | sad |
| 20:49 | <m0unds> | yep. |
| 20:49 | <m0unds> | good 'ol yahoo answers. |
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| 20:49 | <m0unds> | lolol urmom |
| 20:49 | <m0unds> | lolol |
| 20:50 | <urmom> | hello! |
| 20:50 | <mwalling> | heya HoopyCat |
| 20:50 | <tjfontaine> | HoopyCat: don't answer, it's a trap |
| 20:50 | <urmom> | why, i'm not hoopycat at all! i'm urmom |
| 20:50 | <mwalling> | secrecy fail |
| 20:51 | <urmom> | oh son of a bitch |
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| 20:56 | <iobright> | does anyone know how to recover from an out-of-memory error? My linode encountered one and I rebooted it, but it's still not working. |
| 20:56 | <Deviation> | fdisk ? |
| 20:56 | <phennessy> | reboot |
| 20:56 | <phennessy> | might need to tweak apache or mysql settings |
| 20:56 | <straterra> | what out of memory error? |
| 20:56 | <HoopyCat> | iobright: a reboot should get it to come back up, unless it OOM'd doing something crazy (like an OS upgrade or something) and ended up in a trashed state |
| 20:57 | <jkwood> | An excellent suggestion, phennessy. |
| 20:57 | <HoopyCat> | iobright: or unless it OOMs again immediately after boot |
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| 20:57 | <mwalling> | he OOM'd earlier today, he said it didnt come back up |
| 20:58 | <m0unds> | lish? |
| 20:58 | <HoopyCat> | oh right, first half of the eagles/giants game |
| 20:58 | <m0unds> | who won? |
| 20:58 | <iobright> | Lish says: $20 |
| 20:58 | <mwalling> | http://p.linode.com/1972 |
| 20:58 | <iobright> | oops' |
| 20:58 | <iobright> | "Warning: unable to open an initial console. " |
| 20:59 | <m0unds> | yow |
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| 21:00 | <vxdscn> | Does anyone know the ETA on the 360 or 540 avalibility on the Newark based DCs ? |
| 21:00 | <jkwood> | !avail-nj |
| 21:00 | <HoopyCat> | iobright: on your configuration profile, all three of the helper options are set to Yes, correct? |
| 21:00 | <linbot> | jkwood: Newark360 - 0, Newark540 - 0, Newark720 - 6, Newark1080 - 0, Newark1440 - 0, Newark2880 - 0 |
| 21:01 | <jkwood> | Hmm... Nope. |
| 21:01 | <jkwood> | !avail-he |
| 21:01 | <linbot> | jkwood: Fremont360 - 20, Fremont540 - 18, Fremont720 - 16, Fremont1080 - 5, Fremont1440 - 4, Fremont2880 - 3 |
| 21:01 | <jkwood> | Fremont is unusually open, though. |
| 21:01 | <iobright> | HoopyCat: where is the location profile located? I haven't changed anything since initial startup. |
| 21:01 | <iobright> | Full lish results: http://pastebin.com/m3054b1a1 |
| 21:02 | <romesa> | Where exactly is Fremont, CA? |
| 21:02 | <m0unds> | http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=fremont,+ca&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=30.268266,52.558594&ie=UTF8&t=h&z=11&g=fremont,+ca |
| 21:02 | <mwalling> | http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=fremont,+ca&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=45.688268,79.101563&ie=UTF8&t=h&z=11&g=fremont,+ca&iwloc=addr |
| 21:02 | <HoopyCat> | iobright: from the dashboard, click on the configuration profile labeled "Last Booted" |
| 21:02 | <m0unds> | hahahaha |
| 21:02 | <mwalling> | er |
| 21:02 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 21:02 | <romesa> | lol |
| 21:03 | <jkwood> | Near Newark, apparently. |
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| 21:03 | <iobright> | yes, all three are "yes" |
| 21:03 | <mwalling> | vxdscn: only the staffers know that... but you can drop anywhere and then put in a ticket for migration, and you'll get one of the freshest nodes out there (before they're opened to the public) |
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| 21:04 | <HoopyCat> | iobright: strange... may be worth opening a ticket |
| 21:04 | <m0unds> | powerdvd is such a pile of shit |
| 21:04 | <jkwood> | Near Oakland/San Francisco. How about that. |
| 21:04 | <iobright> | I've already opened one, but I haven't heard back.. a client emailed me asking why their site was down so I decided to give it a second shot on the chat. |
| 21:05 | <iobright> | thanks for the help |
| 21:05 | <mwalling> | HoopyCat: you were thinking hvc0 too? |
| 21:05 | <vxdscn> | mwalling: u mean send a ticket request ? |
| 21:06 | <mwalling> | vxdscn: yes |
| 21:06 | <HoopyCat> | mwalling: dang well oughta be hvc0 |
| 21:07 | <mwalling> | iobright: how you feel about booting finnix, and then looking at the inittab on your linode's filesystem? |
| 21:07 | <jkwood> | Alternatively, system logs. |
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| 21:07 | <mwalling> | theory: he OOM'd, and shutdown non-gracefully, and somehow hosed his /etc/inittab? |
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| 21:09 | <iobright> | would it harm anything to try finnix? |
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| 21:09 | <HoopyCat> | mwalling: i'm thinking time-since-last-reboot was long enough that something drifted out of spec through OS upgrades. can't think of what, though. |
| 21:09 | <mwalling> | iobright: if you're careful, no |
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| 21:09 | <jkwood> | iobright: Don't muck with anything. |
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| 21:10 | <jkwood> | OS upgrades can definitely cause problems. |
| 21:10 | * | jkwood recalls the time he hosed his /etc/passwd file |
| 21:11 | <cdlu> | once upon a time, eleven years ago, I accidentally overwrote /dev/hda |
| 21:11 | <cdlu> | I don't recommend it |
| 21:11 | <@caker> | iobright: you didn't set up finnix correctly, fwiw |
| 21:12 | <HoopyCat> | caker waits for the entirely wrong moment to look at the trouble ticket ;-) |
| 21:13 | <romesa> | where's a good resource for setting up finnix correctly? |
| 21:13 | <@caker> | iobright: Normal runlevel, finnix kernel, finnix iso as xvda, finnix initrd. Then attach your images |
| 21:13 | <@caker> | iobright: why are you messing with finnix anyhow? init=/bin/bash would likely work |
| 21:14 | <iobright> | caker: just following suggestions from chat |
| 21:15 | <mwalling> | caker: see above theory i had... |
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| 21:16 | <phennessy> | Mmmm.. fresh keyboard batteries |
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| 21:16 | <Yaakov> | Heh. |
| 21:16 | <Nivex> | mmmm botnet |
| 21:16 | <scorche> | go go FloodServ! |
| 21:16 | <phennessy> | that is hilarious |
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| 21:16 | <bd_> | quick reaction there, FloodServ :) |
| 21:16 | <scott> | nice |
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| 21:17 | <Tristan> | FUCK YOU GUISE TAKEN OUR BUSINESS, YOU AINT SHIT IRC.SYSTEMINPLACE.NET #RAPIDXEN FOR A REAL HOST! |
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| 21:17 | <Yaakov> | "guise" |
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| 21:17 | <mwalling> | caker: looks like your advertising is working ;) |
| 21:17 | <phennessy> | linode is advertising? |
| 21:18 | <scott> | nope |
| 21:18 | <romesa> | hmm... they were my second choice after linode |
| 21:18 | <@mikegrb> | phennessy: on ur mom's back |
| 21:18 | <bd_> | I think they're on like the fourth page of the google adwords for "VPS" |
| 21:18 | <bd_> | (linode, that is) |
| 21:18 | <phennessy> | i haven't seen her backside lately |
| 21:18 | <mwalling> | mikegrb: i thought you held up a LJ with a half page linode ad? |
| 21:19 | * | mikegrb nods |
| 21:19 | <phennessy> | i get no adwords |
| 21:19 | <mwalling> | scott: see? |
| 21:19 | <phennessy> | i wonder what's up with that |
| 21:19 | <scott> | see! |
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| 21:20 | -!- | mode/#linode [+i] by mikegrb |
| 21:20 | -!- | mode/#linode [+i] by tjfontaine |
| 21:20 | -!- | Howel is "(unknown)" on (unknown) |
| 21:20 | <tjfontaine> | damn joininfo |
| 21:20 | -!- | Cheche is "(unknown)" on (unknown) |
| 21:20 | <phennessy> | heh |
| 21:20 | <@mikegrb> | tjfontaine: ja |
| 21:21 | <phennessy> | i never saw two people +i a channel at the same time |
| 21:21 | <HoopyCat> | woah, simultaneous mode change |
| 21:21 | <phennessy> | ever |
| 21:21 | <phennessy> | never |
| 21:21 | <scott> | crazee |
| 21:21 | <mwalling> | scott: http://thegrebs.com/~michael/lin_ad.jpg |
| 21:21 | <mwalling> | i win kthx |
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| 21:21 | <tjfontaine> | mikegrb, caker you'll want to santize that from your logs (the url that is) :) |
| 21:21 | <Nivex> | hawt |
| 21:22 | * | mikegrb sanitizes tjfontaine |
| 21:22 | <HoopyCat> | i like the little parachute boxes |
| 21:22 | <Yaakov> | I can't believe that has anything to do, officially, with RapidXen. |
| 21:22 | <phennessy> | what url? |
| 21:22 | <@mikegrb> | pathporn.org |
| 21:22 | <HoopyCat> | tjfontaine: is there that little set-+l-to-current-count-plus-a-few feature in chanserv? |
| 21:22 | <tjfontaine> | yes mikegrb enable autolimit |
| 21:22 | <@mikegrb> | HoopyCat: ja |
| 21:23 | <phennessy> | maybe they have a referralbot there too :) |
| 21:23 | <tjfontaine> | then we can -i |
| 21:23 | <tjfontaine> | that'll prevent some of it too |
| 21:23 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 21:23 | <teknicaL> | lol. wtf |
| 21:23 | <phennessy> | verizon is telling me pathporn.org doesn't exist |
| 21:23 | <HoopyCat> | mr. mikegrb, enable the autolimit on the forward deflectors and drop to -i |
| 21:23 | * | phennessy flips vz the bird while he's at it |
| 21:23 | <teknicaL> | I sware, people have too much time on their hands and nothing better else to do. |
| 21:23 | * | mikegrb drops HoopyCat |
| 21:24 | <HoopyCat> | too... much... inductive reactance... |
| 21:24 | -!- | Irssi: #linode: Total of 239 nicks [5 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 234 normal] |
| 21:24 | <teknicaL> | Their websites sucks, btw. |
| 21:24 | <tjfontaine> | here they try and come again |
| 21:24 | * | mikegrb nods |
| 21:24 | <@mikegrb> | take that |
| 21:24 | <HoopyCat> | pew pew |
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| 21:25 | <@mikegrb> | 242! |
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| 21:25 | <scott> | thats crazy |
| 21:25 | <phennessy> | now it's +l spam :) |
| 21:25 | <iobright> | caker: init=/bin/bash is not working; system shuts off midway through boot. http://pastebin.com/d60a966c8 |
| 21:25 | <HoopyCat> | how much thought goes into ordering the channel modes on display to avoid spelling dodgy words? |
| 21:25 | <tjfontaine> | mikegrb: -i now? |
| 21:25 | <mwalling> | oh, crap, its +i |
| 21:26 | <@mikegrb> | was waiting for the connections to die down |
| 21:26 | -!- | mode/#linode [-i] by mikegrb |
| 21:26 | <tjfontaine> | k |
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| 21:26 | <Yaakov> | A BOT! KILL IT3~! |
| 21:26 | <mwalling> | great time for crashage |
| 21:26 | <mwalling> | thanks twisted |
| 21:26 | <HoopyCat> | mwalling: i wonder if the +l stunned it |
| 21:27 | <tjfontaine> | no it was the +i |
| 21:27 | <tjfontaine> | they're doing #debian now |
| 21:27 | <phennessy> | urmon does debian |
| 21:27 | <Yaakov> | Same message? |
| 21:27 | <@caker> | iobright: um... does /bin/bash exist? |
| 21:27 | <HoopyCat> | urmom is... dammit |
| 21:27 | <phennessy> | ha ha |
| 21:27 | <phennessy> | so there is a debian channel? |
| 21:27 | <guinea-pig> | Debian Does Dallas |
| 21:27 | <@caker> | iobright: or, I suppose, you need to fix some device nodes -- in which case Finnix would help |
| 21:28 | <mwalling> | *COUGH* |
| 21:28 | <@caker> | mwalling: you were talking about some inittab bs... go away |
| 21:28 | <mwalling> | # |
| 21:28 | <HoopyCat> | ooh snap |
| 21:28 | <mwalling> | Warning: unable to open an initial console. |
| 21:28 | <phennessy> | isn't slackware the only distro with inittab still? |
| 21:28 | <mwalling> | scott: too slow |
| 21:29 | <scott> | huh? |
| 21:29 | <iobright> | caker: I don't know if there is a /bin/bash. I hadn't added one, but I assumed it was already there. I'll try finnix. |
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| 21:31 | <snowfell> | google the line: XENBUS: Device with no driver: device/console/0 |
| 21:31 | <snowfell> | seems to be some XEN issue? |
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| 21:33 | <HoopyCat> | running a standard kernel and not something via pv-grub, right? |
| 21:33 | <iobright> | right |
| 21:34 | <iobright> | ok, I'm in finnix. how do I attach the image? |
| 21:34 | <jkwood> | What the heck is +l? |
| 21:34 | <mwalling> | jkwood: limit |
| 21:35 | * | jkwood googles |
| 21:35 | <bd_> | snowfell: device/console/0 seems to be harmless, I think |
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| 21:36 | <mwalling> | jkwood: http://www.oftc.net/oftc/ChannelModes |
| 21:36 | <jkwood> | Now we're talking. |
| 21:36 | <tjfontaine> | for now things have quieteed down |
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| 21:43 | <HoopyCat> | fascinating |
| 21:43 | <cdlu> | law of diminishing returns |
| 21:43 | <tjfontaine> | :) |
| 21:43 | <checkers> | you don't say |
| 21:43 | <tjfontaine> | +limiting returns :) |
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| 21:43 | <cdlu> | tj, you made ace tonight, congratulations. ;) |
| 21:43 | <tjfontaine> | :) |
| 21:43 | <cdlu> | oh wait, you've got like 30,000 kills under your belt. :p |
| 21:43 | <mwalling> | heh |
| 21:44 | <phennessy> | yea, he can do MUCH better :) |
| 21:44 | <tjfontaine> | hehe |
| 21:44 | <HoopyCat> | when ze tjfontaine goes down, he goes down in flames! |
| 21:44 | <cdlu> | tj is very thorough, I'll leave it at that. ;) |
| 21:44 | <phennessy> | heh |
| 21:44 | <tjfontaine> | hehe |
| 21:44 | <tjfontaine> | bow before your chair! |
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| 21:45 | <cdlu> | nobody bowed before me in my 3+ years as chair. :( |
| 21:45 | <cdlu> | and as ombudsman they just scoff. :) |
| 21:45 | <tjfontaine> | :) |
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| 21:47 | <mwalling> | ug |
| 21:47 | <scott> | the netops get all the women |
| 21:47 | <scott> | mikegrb: right? |
| 21:47 | <mwalling> | whats the LEVEL for chanserv's mode changes? |
| 21:47 | <tjfontaine> | hmm? |
| 21:48 | <HoopyCat> | mwalling: appears to be current number of users in channel plus 3, with a little bit of hysteresis |
| 21:52 | <mwalling> | no irssi |
| 21:52 | <mwalling> | so i dont get activity |
| 21:52 | <res0> | [20:52:41] MODES - Channel mode is changed |
| 21:52 | <res0> | from /help levels :P |
| 21:53 | <@mikegrb> | though being irssi probably better to just ignore mode change by chanserv |
| 21:53 | <teknicaL> | What would keep one from being able to 'su' on Ubuntu ? |
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| 21:54 | <HoopyCat> | teknicaL: what error are you getting? |
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| 21:54 | <HoopyCat> | answers range from "not knowing the root password" to "typoing like b4" |
| 21:54 | <checkers> | teknicaL: not having a password for root? |
| 21:54 | <mwalling> | well, for one, you could chmod -x it |
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| 21:55 | <checkers> | check the power is on too |
| 21:55 | <teknicaL> | (~)-> $ su |
| 21:55 | <teknicaL> | Password: |
| 21:55 | <teknicaL> | su: Authentication failure |
| 21:55 | <@mikegrb> | /ignore #linode ChanServ!services@services.oftc.net MODESa |
| 21:55 | <HoopyCat> | teknicaL: i'd say you don't know the root password |
| 21:55 | <guinea-pig> | try the right password |
| 21:55 | <tjfontaine> | a? |
| 21:55 | <@mikegrb> | s/a$// |
| 21:55 | * | mikegrb kisses tjfontaine |
| 21:55 | <tjfontaine> | :) |
| 21:55 | <phennessy> | mikegrb: got a question about WebService::Linode |
| 21:55 | <HoopyCat> | ignore #linode mikegrb!*@* MANLOVE |
| 21:55 | <teknicaL> | I have the right password, are there some kind of other lock downs that can be in place? Such as an access list of permitted users to 'su' ? |
| 21:56 | <HoopyCat> | oops |
| 21:56 | <@mikegrb> | HoopyCat: unignoreable |
| 21:56 | <checkers> | teknicaL: what's wrong with sudo su ? |
| 21:56 | <@mikegrb> | phennessy: check with path-, he handles support for WS:L |
| 21:56 | <HoopyCat> | teknicaL: some distros limit su-eligible people to people in the wheel group |
| 21:56 | * | mikegrb runs |
| 21:56 | <teknicaL> | checkers: sudo su works fine.. but I want to be able to just 'su' |
| 21:56 | <phennessy> | mikegrb: he's unavailable at the moment |
| 21:56 | <phennessy> | http://linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3759 |
| 21:56 | <@mikegrb> | will have to wait for him to return |
| 21:57 | <mwalling> | teknicaL: su uses root's password, sudo uses your password |
| 21:57 | <phennessy> | they were talking about the dyndns script and needing domainSave at the end |
| 21:57 | <reillyeon> | Is there a command to convert unix timestamps to something useful? |
| 21:57 | <@mikegrb> | phennessy: yeah it's an api bug that will be fixed |
| 21:57 | <phennessy> | but mwalling pointed out the domainUpdate runs domainSave on returning the object |
| 21:57 | <HoopyCat> | reillyeon: i use time.localtime(123412312351235) in python |
| 21:57 | <guinea-pig> | which is better: sudo su, or sudo bash? |
| 21:57 | <mwalling> | sudo -i |
| 21:58 | <supine> | sudo bash |
| 21:58 | <mwalling> | s/pointed out/gave phennessy the line in WebService/Linode/DNS.pm |
| 21:58 | <phennessy> | i added domainSave to a script i did and it seems to be working.. but just wanted to check to see if it was something else |
| 21:58 | <reillyeon> | HoopyCat: thanks, that's better than a random website |
| 21:58 | <supine> | on everything except RHEL because you don't end up with a sane $PATH |
| 21:58 | <@mikegrb> | domainResourceUpdate calls domainResourceSave |
| 21:58 | <HoopyCat> | reillyeon: ... or is it? :-) |
| 21:58 | <@mikegrb> | but domainResourceSave doesn't touch the update_dt on the domain, just the rr so the domain doesn't get regenerated |
| 21:59 | <@mikegrb> | that's how calling domainSave fixes it |
| 21:59 | <phennessy> | ah |
| 21:59 | <@mikegrb> | but it's going to be fixed |
| 21:59 | <phennessy> | ok |
| 21:59 | <@mikegrb> | ie the domainSave won't be needed |
| 21:59 | <phennessy> | API 2.0 |
| 21:59 | <HoopyCat> | reillyeon: note that you'll want to use time.gmtime() if you want it without its opinion of what "local" is |
| 22:01 | <phennessy> | http://git.thegrebs.com/?p=WebService-Linode;a=blob;f=lib/WebService/Linode/DNS.pm;h=0a1fedaff65f6044943019309c805c118541b52c;hb=HEAD#l116 |
| 22:01 | <phennessy> | that shows domainSave |
| 22:01 | <teknicaL> | HoopyCat, there isn't a 'wheel' on Ubuntu. |
| 22:01 | <phennessy> | i'm being a pain in the ass, i know |
| 22:01 | <HoopyCat> | ubuntu, eh? lemme try |
| 22:02 | <supine> | teknicaL: ubuntu has the adm group |
| 22:02 | <b4> | i like openbsd yay |
| 22:02 | <teknicaL> | supine: do I need to be in 'adm' to be able to 'su' directly without sudo ? |
| 22:02 | <mwalling> | teknicaL: are you using root's password? |
| 22:02 | <reillyeon> | HoopyCat: time and date code is all together too complicated. |
| 22:03 | <teknicaL> | mwalling: yes |
| 22:03 | <phennessy> | i thought i was going crazy there, but i really just wanted to make sure you knew about it |
| 22:03 | <phennessy> | oh wait |
| 22:03 | <HoopyCat> | for some odd reason, the box i'm trying this on doesn't have a root password in my rolodex... utoh |
| 22:04 | <teknicaL> | mwalling: I can login as 'root' via the console. I just can't 'su' it seels me invalid password, when it isn't.. |
| 22:04 | <phennessy> | i was looking at domainUpdate not domainResourceUpdate |
| 22:04 | <teknicaL> | tells, rather. |
| 22:04 | <HoopyCat> | teknicaL: i am in group admin on the ubuntu box i just used su on |
| 22:04 | <@mikegrb> | phennessy: there you go |
| 22:04 | <@mikegrb> | <3 |
| 22:04 | <phennessy> | sorry :) |
| 22:04 | <@mikegrb> | domainUpdate and domainResourceUpdate are both just wrappers to domainGet and then domainSave |
| 22:04 | <@mikegrb> | or domainResourceGet/Save |
| 22:05 | <teknicaL> | HoopyCat: I will gave that a try. =] |
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| 22:05 | <@mikegrb> | since Save wants everything passed to it again, not just what you are changing |
| 22:05 | <phennessy> | it all makes sense now |
| 22:05 | <phennessy> | yea, i found that out with domainSave |
| 22:05 | <@mikegrb> | so Update gets the current values for * overwrites what you passed in and then passes the lot of them to Save |
| 22:06 | <phennessy> | it sorta works as documented though |
| 22:09 | <mwalling> | wow... RapidXen's TOS is 8 pages long... and if you don't pay your bandwidth bill in 12 hours your account is suspended, and deleted after 24 hours |
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| 22:10 | <phennessy> | but they have solaris |
| 22:10 | <mwalling> | heh |
| 22:10 | <phennessy> | i tried making an opensolaris vm |
| 22:10 | <phennessy> | but it was all weird about terminals and all |
| 22:11 | <phennessy> | it really wanted you to use X11 |
| 22:11 | <mwalling> | The following operating systems are also available, but we do not recommend using them with Xen due to bugs or being easy to mess up in Xen: Slackware, Genpoo, NetBSD |
| 22:11 | <mwalling> | easy to mess up... only if you dont bother to read the documentation |
| 22:12 | <phennessy> | mess up is a technical term, huh? |
| 22:12 | <mwalling> | heh |
| 22:13 | <HoopyCat> | their 95th-percentile bandwidth billing could be handy for some things, but eeenh |
| 22:15 | <Deviation_> | So does anyone here whore out their linode? Er...resell services? |
| 22:15 | <phennessy> | probably everyone |
| 22:15 | <Deviation_> | Or is the majority personal use? |
| 22:16 | <phennessy> | i use mine for personal and host websites for friends for small fees |
| 22:17 | * | Peng_ high-fives FloodServ |
| 22:17 | <Deviation_> | Just wondering what kind of access people allow |
| 22:17 | <phennessy> | i only allow them sftp access to their webfolder |
| 22:17 | <HoopyCat> | my personal one is mostly personal, although it does provide a public service or two. my production one is a much tighter ship. |
| 22:18 | <chuck> | wow |
| 22:18 | <HoopyCat> | my personal one has a couple websites for a friend; she gets ssh access |
| 22:18 | <HoopyCat> | something tells me i'm glad i'm ignoring all mode changes in #linode |
| 22:18 | <Deviation_> | What about th eother? |
| 22:18 | <Deviation_> | *the other |
| 22:18 | <mwalling> | Deviation_: rocwiki.org |
| 22:18 | <phennessy> | i use http://mysecureshell.sourceforge.net/ to limit their sftp access |
| 22:19 | <HoopyCat> | Deviation_: there's a couple of us who have root access to fix (or, more commonly, break :-) things |
| 22:19 | <b4> | HoopyCat, I have computers just to break |
| 22:19 | <b4> | it's the production system too \o/ |
| 22:20 | <mwalling> | phennessy: its not in english! |
| 22:20 | <phennessy> | mwalling: no, but it's pretty cool |
| 22:20 | <phennessy> | if there is something better in english, i'd consider it |
| 22:20 | <b4> | is tjfontaine playign with services? |
| 22:21 | <phennessy> | b4, you missed the botnet spam |
| 22:21 | <b4> | i did? |
| 22:21 | <phennessy> | i dunno, did you? |
| 22:21 | <Deviation_> | did you? |
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| 22:22 | <b4> | no |
| 22:22 | <b4> | wait |
| 22:22 | <b4> | i did |
| 22:22 | <teknicaL> | /etc/securetty , would that prevent me from being able to 'su' ? |
| 22:24 | <b4> | pro aby |
| 22:25 | <kupesoft> | teknicaL: It won't prevent a sudo or a privilege escalation, AFAIK |
| 22:25 | <tjfontaine> | that's normal an hour after floodserv sets a quiet |
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| 22:38 | <jkweb> | *sigh* khvcd is using 100% of my cpu. |
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| 22:43 | <jkweb> | And my bloody screen session won't reattach. Wonderful. |
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| 22:49 | <erikh> | whoa, is this turning into an efnet channel? |
| 22:49 | <erikh> | ;)( |
| 22:49 | <b4> | probabkly |
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| 22:50 | <jkweb> | Not efnet. Freenode. |
| 22:50 | <b4> | not Freenode. Feenode. |
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| 22:50 | <chuck> | jkweb: freenode isn't like this :P |
| 22:51 | <zxvf> | I have been on freenode because I like to use irc. |
| 22:51 | * | chuck wonders why everyone on OFTC hates freenode with a passion |
| 22:51 | <chuck> | :P |
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| 22:52 | <b4> | i use Freenode |
| 22:52 | <zxvf> | what is oftc? |
| 22:52 | <@caker> | what's an irc? |
| 22:52 | <bd_> | what's an linode? |
| 22:52 | <b4> | Feenode would make no money |
| 22:53 | <zxvf> | caker: internet relay chat is a protocol for text based communication as defined by rfc 1459 |
| 22:53 | <jkweb> | caker: Lish says my linode is off, and any attempts to reattach my in-node screen session ends up stuck. |
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| 22:53 | <jkweb> | Umm... Well, that's no fun. |
| 22:53 | <zxvf> | why do i know which RFC is the RFC for IRC? |
| 22:53 | <b4> | so start it |
| 22:53 | <DephNet[Paul]> | chuck, because they are arrogant pricks :P |
| 22:53 | <jkweb> | b4: My web server is still serving web. My ssh is still... sshing. |
| 22:53 | <phennessy> | maybe you should reboot |
| 22:53 | <b4> | hm |
| 22:54 | <guinea-pig> | zxvf: ah, but which one? |
| 22:54 | <b4> | what phennessy said |
| 22:54 | <phennessy> | anything in the lish log? |
| 22:54 | <zxvf> | guinea-pig: which one what? |
| 22:54 | <guinea-pig> | (1459, isn't it?) |
| 22:54 | <jkweb> | Last thing that lish sees is a view of rtorrent. |
| 22:54 | <zxvf> | yes, that's what i just said |
| 22:54 | <guinea-pig> | zxvf: aren't there several revisions? |
| 22:54 | <b4> | there are multiple RC rfcs aren't there? |
| 22:54 | <phennessy> | logview? |
| 22:54 | <phennessy> | i think |
| 22:54 | <@caker> | jkweb: I can has sysrq t of that process? |
| 22:55 | <jkweb> | You want a what now? |
| 22:55 | <guinea-pig> | ur mom |
| 22:55 | <zxvf> | The IRC protocol is a text-based protocol, with the simplest client |
| 22:55 | <zxvf> | being any socket program capable of connecting to the server. |
| 22:55 | <checkers> | yes, telnet does work, to answer your unanswered questions |
| 22:55 | <phennessy> | jkweb: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sysrq |
| 22:56 | <exor674> | your brain can be the client |
| 22:56 | <@caker> | jkweb: sysrq t -- it dumps the process list to console, which I suppose in this case is pointless |
| 22:56 | * | caker ponders |
| 22:56 | <b4> | so can ur mom |
| 22:56 | <jkweb> | sysrq sent. |
| 22:56 | <jkweb> | Erm... sysrq t sent, anyway. |
| 22:56 | <phennessy> | did it display anything? |
| 22:56 | <jkweb> | Nope. |
| 22:57 | <mwalling> | it said "urmom" |
| 22:57 | <checkers> | that's what she said |
| 22:57 | <phennessy> | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key |
| 22:57 | <phennessy> | that's actually useful |
| 22:57 | <zxvf> | sysrq key does nothing for nobody |
| 22:58 | <guinea-pig> | sysrq:-s-u-s-u-b |
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| 22:59 | <jkweb> | Hmm... |
| 22:59 | * | jkweb echo's b > /proc/sysrq-trigger in hopefulness |
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| 23:00 | <jkweb> | caker: I do have a "dead" screen in lish. |
| 23:00 | <jkweb> | 15352.jkwood |
| 23:00 | <b4> | kill it kill it kill it |
| 23:00 | <guinea-pig> | death! destruction! SCIENCE! |
| 23:01 | <mwalling> | isnt there an env variable you can set in your crontab to set the email address cron sends stuff off to? |
| 23:02 | <guinea-pig> | man 5 crontab |
| 23:02 | <phennessy> | man 5 crontab |
| 23:02 | <phennessy> | eh |
| 23:02 | <mwalling> | oh, i did crontab(1) |
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| 23:02 | <phennessy> | crontab is tricky like that |
| 23:02 | <mwalling> | checking section 5 is prolly a good idea isnt it |
| 23:02 | <jkweb> | Uh-oh... CPU usage went way up the last couple of hours... Crap. |
| 23:02 | <mwalling> | No entry for crontab in section 5 of the manual |
| 23:02 | <guinea-pig> | ... |
| 23:03 | <guinea-pig> | In addition to LOGNAME, HOME, and SHELL, cron(8) will look at MAILTO if it has any reason to send mail as a result of running commands in ‘‘this’’ crontab. |
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| 23:03 | <phennessy> | slackpkg install manpages |
| 23:03 | * | phennessy ducks |
| 23:03 | <mwalling> | dillion's cron if that makes a difference |
| 23:04 | <phennessy> | i have vixie cron |
| 23:04 | <guinea-pig> | no idea |
| 23:04 | <guinea-pig> | i have vixie, too |
| 23:04 | <guinea-pig> | (as does all of ubuntu and debian i assume) |
| 23:06 | <erikh> | MAILTO |
| 23:06 | <erikh> | perhaps I should read all the scrollback before I comment. |
| 23:10 | * | jkweb issues a reboot |
| 23:11 | <mwalling> | erikh: in dillions? |
| 23:11 | <erikh> | not sure what you meant there. |
| 23:12 | <phennessy> | erikh: he's using non-vixie cron |
| 23:12 | <mwalling> | http://freshmeat.net/projects/dcron/ |
| 23:12 | <jkweb> | caker: 2.6.28 recommended for fixing stuck lish? |
| 23:13 | <erikh> | oh |
| 23:13 | <erikh> | curse you |
| 23:13 | <phennessy> | "Since dcron does nothing with the MAILTO= |
| 23:13 | <phennessy> | part in a cronjob, the only way to solve this problem is by changed the source, |
| 23:13 | <phennessy> | job.c in this case. The attached patch changed the header to: |
| 23:13 | <phennessy> | " |
| 23:13 | <phennessy> | thought that would be one line |
| 23:14 | <mwalling> | close enough, thanks |
| 23:14 | <phennessy> | you could apply this gentoo patch |
| 23:14 | <phennessy> | ;) |
| 23:14 | <mwalling> | hey, if i wanted to patch and rebuild, i'd have rebuilt perl for sperl so i could have backupping tj style |
| 23:14 | <erikh> | there's a reason nearly everyone uses vixie cron or a derivative :) |
| 23:15 | <phennessy> | hey, you're running slackware! |
| 23:15 | <straterra> | lidz |
| 23:15 | <straterra> | lies |
| 23:16 | <phennessy> | that was dated 2005 though |
| 23:16 | <phennessy> | just noticed |
| 23:16 | <phennessy> | do a |mail mwalling at the end of the line |
| 23:16 | <mwalling> | true |
| 23:17 | <mwalling> | or mail mwalling-cron |
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| 23:17 | <phennessy> | whatever floats your boat |
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| 23:20 | <guinea-pig> | buoyancy |
| 23:21 | <jkweb> | Holy heck... major packet loss in The Planet! |
| 23:23 | <mwalling> | eh? |
| 23:23 | * | jkweb pokes caker |
| 23:24 | <phennessy> | did you pay your bill? |
| 23:24 | <jkweb> | I... hope so. |
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| 23:24 | <guinea-pig> | did caker pay his bill? |
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| 23:25 | <booja> | there is a fat pigeon sittin on the lines |
| 23:25 | <guinea-pig> | err, actually, i'm not seeing any loss |
| 23:25 | <booja> | causing packets to leak |
| 23:25 | <guinea-pig> | on a route between HE and TP |
| 23:28 | <jkweb> | Wait a tick... my inet interfaces didn't come up automatically. |
| 23:29 | <Pryon> | you've gone and spilled your packets allover the DC floor |
| 23:31 | <mwalling> | mikegrb: how about Blazer detection? |
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| 23:31 | <@mikegrb> | blazer is crap |
| 23:31 | * | irgeek has furniture now |
| 23:31 | <mwalling> | mikegrb: whats better? |
| 23:32 | <exor674> | hit up IKEA? |
| 23:32 | <@mikegrb> | safari on the iphone :p |
| 23:32 | <phennessy> | heh |
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| 23:32 | <phennessy> | yay |
| 23:32 | <jkwood> | Woot! |
| 23:32 | <mwalling> | mikegrb: whats http://thegrebs.com/~michael/PalmKey-0.9.0.prc ? |
| 23:33 | <@mikegrb> | otp calculator |
| 23:33 | <mwalling> | mmm |
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| 23:33 | <@irgeek> | mwalling: Yup. Spent a couple hundred more than I was planning on, but got lots of furniture. |
| 23:34 | * | mwalling redirects to exor674 |
| 23:34 | <@irgeek> | Oops. |
| 23:34 | <booja> | no irgeek, now you have a lot of boxes with bits of wood in them that you have to put together |
| 23:34 | <exor674> | I really wish they had IKEAs in this state |
| 23:34 | <booja> | you'll find you're msising at least 3 screws |
| 23:34 | <phennessy> | one from each box |
| 23:35 | <@irgeek> | Most of it's put together already. I am an IKEA building machine. :) |
| 23:35 | <booja> | and 1 L shaped brackety thing, without which your furniture will never be complete |
| 23:35 | <@irgeek> | exor674: Where are you? |
| 23:35 | <exor674> | Colorado |
| 23:35 | <booja> | I've never had a bad experience with ikea though, no sir |
| 23:35 | <phennessy> | or some plastic screw that you can only get from ikea |
| 23:35 | <@irgeek> | That's funny. I was in Denver before here, and it pissed me off we didn't have IKEA. |
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| 23:36 | <@irgeek> | The furniture for my apartment there came from the IKEA in San Diego. |
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| 23:36 | <booja> | I do like some of the ikea hacks I've seen |
| 23:36 | <mwalling> | my furniture comes from target... |
| 23:36 | <exor674> | irgeek: I didn't even know how awesome IKEA was till I was visiting a friend in an IKEA'd city and she drug me to it |
| 23:36 | <phennessy> | mine comes from craigslist |
| 23:36 | <phennessy> | :( |
| 23:37 | <mwalling> | phennessy: yeah, that too |
| 23:37 | <booja> | my furniture comes from the salvation army store |
| 23:37 | <booja> | cheaper than ikea :D |
| 23:37 | <supine> | surely you have another source of cheap and nasty plasterboard furniture made in china? |
| 23:37 | <mwalling> | catherine's sewing furniture comes from the army store |
| 23:37 | <phennessy> | i got an awesome real wood tv stand though, i'll probably last WWIII |
| 23:37 | <mwalling> | booja: ^5 |
| 23:38 | <booja> | I have a bunch of stuff from garbage pickups on the side of the road too |
| 23:38 | <booja> | lot of the time it just needs a little glue in the joins |
| 23:39 | <@irgeek> | I got my last couch at a consignment shop. I haven't got a couch here yet though. |
| 23:39 | <exor674> | irgeek: thats what moving boxes are for |
| 23:41 | <@irgeek> | We've got mismatched IKEA chairs for now. /dev/gf and I could decide on one style we liked, so we each got our favorite. |
| 23:41 | <mwalling> | heh |
| 23:41 | <phennessy> | :) |
| 23:44 | <@irgeek> | This is what I'm currently sitting on: http://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/70078463 |
| 23:44 | <booja> | milk crates are awesome too |
| 23:44 | <@irgeek> | Super comfortable. |
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| 23:44 | <@irgeek> | My chair, that is. Not milk crates. Those aren't comfortable at all. |
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| 23:46 | <booja> | ahh I dunno, I've sat on many a crate and they're not too bad |
| 23:46 | <mwalling> | they can be |
| 23:46 | <mwalling> | just need to keep the plastic from cutting into your ass |
| 23:46 | <booja> | your arse gets an interesting pattern though |
| 23:46 | * | mwalling used to sit on crates during sound gigs |
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| 23:47 | <booja> | store your records in them too ? |
| 23:48 | <mwalling> | s/records/mic cables/ |
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| 23:51 | <booja> | http://i1.trekearth.com/photos/77817/ice-tea-and-a-milk-crate.jpg |
| 23:51 | <booja> | as you can see, just put a newspaper under yer bum |
| 23:52 | <phennessy> | we have received four times more mail from facebook.com than any other domain |
| 23:52 | <phennessy> | crazyness |
| 23:53 | <@irgeek> | I'll stick to my comfy lounger, thanks. |
| 23:54 | <mwalling> | phennessy: really? |
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| 23:54 | <mwalling> | phennessy: er, your surprised? |
| 23:54 | <mwalling> | phennessy: (yes, i believe the number) |
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| 23:55 | <phennessy> | i'm not surprised that it's more |
| 23:55 | <phennessy> | i'm surprised that the scale has changes |
| 23:55 | <phennessy> | changed |
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| 23:56 | <phennessy> | 7528 - facebookmail.com, 1920 - facebookappmail.com, 622 - myspace.com, 570 - comcast.net |
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| 23:56 | <phennessy> | myspace is going down |
| 23:57 | <phennessy> | i think i need a new mailgraph for certain sender domains |
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| 23:57 | <@irgeek> | MySpace is like email, but with a shitty soundtrack. |
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| 23:58 | <mwalling> | weird... |
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| 23:59 | <mwalling> | i lost ssh, and hulu stopped at the same time |
| 23:59 | <booja> | shhh hulu has stopped |
| 23:59 | <mwalling> | on two seperate computers |
| 23:59 | <SelfishMan> | so did the webcam stream from your mom |
| 23:59 | <mwalling> | SelfishMan: shes on verizon dsl |
| 23:59 | <mwalling> | i'm on rr |
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