| --- | Log | opened Thu Jul 24 00:00:17 2008 |
| --- | Day | changed Thu Jul 24 2008 |
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| 00:06 | <avongauss> | His IPv6 tunnel does not appear to be active. |
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| 00:07 | <jackc> | HEs? yes it is |
| 00:07 | <jackc> | 64 bytes from 2001:4860:0:1001::68: icmp_seq=1 ttl=58 time=88.9 ms |
| 00:07 | <avongauss> | The domain he used on the rDNS was: bubblewrap-bncs.info |
| 00:07 | <avongauss> | Jackc: BubbleWrap's IPv6 tunnel |
| 00:07 | <jackc> | oh sorry |
| 00:07 | <jackc> | i failed |
| 00:09 | <internat1> | was there any random network hiccup? |
| 00:10 | <internat1> | actually nm it was only for like 15 seconds/ |
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| 00:43 | <avongauss> | not to spam, but for those with HE IPv6 tunnels that might not read the HE forums, their web site will be down for maintenance tomorrow. |
| 00:43 | <avongauss> | http://www.tunnelbroker.net/forums/index.php?topic=146.0 |
| 00:43 | <SelfishMan> | Spammer! |
| 00:44 | <avongauss> | A very unsuccessful one unfortunately. |
| 00:44 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 00:44 | <SelfishMan> | lol |
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| 00:45 | <leonardo> | hi I need help! |
| 00:46 | <leonardo> | can somenone help me? |
| 00:46 | <Peng_> | Sorry, but I don't think there are any psychics here. |
| 00:47 | <Peng_> | What's up? |
| 00:47 | <leonardo> | i am newbe in vps |
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| 00:47 | <leonardo> | and I want setup a vpn |
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| 00:48 | <leonardo> | i have tried setup pptpd.... but its not work |
| 00:49 | <Peng_> | Sorry, but I don't have any experience with VPNs. |
| 00:49 | <leonardo> | do you kown how can I install the files in /lib/modules? |
| 00:50 | <leonardo> | the kernel module |
| 00:51 | <leonardo> | ds |
| 00:51 | <Peng_> | I don't have any experience setting up kernel modules either. |
| 00:52 | * | Peng_ feels useless. |
| 00:52 | <leonardo> | asd |
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| 00:52 | <Peng_> | ... |
| 00:54 | <erikh> | leonardo: are you talking about moving the files around on disk, or loading them into the kernel? |
| 00:54 | <leonardo> | i need two kernel modules.... |
| 00:55 | <leonardo> | and this files is not in /lib/modules |
| 00:55 | <erikh> | leonardo: man 'mv' |
| 00:56 | <leonardo> | but where can i find this files |
| 00:56 | <leonardo> | it created when u compile the kernel..... |
| 00:56 | <erikh> | leonardo: man 'find' |
| 00:57 | <erikh> | leonardo: the short answer is, it depends on your system |
| 00:57 | <erikh> | use find to locate the files. |
| 00:58 | <avongauss> | The Linode kernel is monolithic, the modules are built-in to the kernel and will not be in the /lib/modules folder. |
| 00:58 | <leonardo> | let me explain..... when u start your system, it run under a custom kernel like 2.6.18.linode10..... |
| 00:58 | <StevenK> | Actually, you have no idea about the running kernel, since it isn't on your filesystem |
| 00:58 | <avongauss> | All modules that were built for the kernel are already loaded when the kernel is loaded. |
| 00:59 | <avongauss> | you do by looking at /proc/config.gz |
| 00:59 | <StevenK> | Hm. Didn't know about /proc/config.gz. |
| 01:00 | * | StevenK is used to Debian/Ubuntu where the config is under /boot |
| 01:00 | <avongauss> | for example: "zgrep -i mppe /proc/config.gz" will tell you if the mppe module was built for the kernel |
| 01:00 | <leonardo> | how can i check if its loaded ..... the module "MPPE" and ïp_gre" |
| 01:00 | <avongauss> | StevenK: neither did I until I started with Linode... ;) |
| 01:00 | <StevenK> | steven@mangled:~% zgrep -i gre /proc/config.gz |
| 01:00 | <StevenK> | CONFIG_NET_IPGRE=y |
| 01:01 | <avongauss> | If the module was built for the kernel, it is loaded. |
| 01:03 | <leonardo> | thanks.... so if its loaded.... I realy dont know how can I solve my problem, I trying to setup a vpn, I get a error "FAIL TO READ GRE" |
| 01:04 | <charlie> | can linode open up a datacenter in canada or seattle |
| 01:04 | <Battousai> | seattle has datacenters? |
| 01:05 | <erikh> | Battousai: tons. |
| 01:05 | <Peng_> | Canada? I never thought of that. Shipping would be less of an issue, but it would still be out of the country, so I doubt it. |
| 01:05 | <erikh> | well, bellingham does at least. |
| 01:05 | <Battousai> | that canadian dollar is too strong nowadays |
| 01:05 | <erikh> | most northwest connections route through seattle for lots of links too |
| 01:06 | <erikh> | either that or SF generally... at least here in portland |
| 01:06 | <StevenK> | Er, no, it's actually the US dollar that has gotten weaker. |
| 01:06 | <Battousai> | nothing US is weak |
| 01:06 | <erikh> | heh |
| 01:06 | <Battousai> | you listen to the fox news fearmongering |
| 01:06 | <StevenK> | What a typical attitude. |
| 01:07 | <StevenK> | Actually, I don't, since I'm not American. |
| 01:07 | <Peng_> | Even worse! |
| 01:07 | <Battousai> | why do you hate freedom? |
| 01:07 | <bd_> | charlie: they just opened the newark one |
| 01:07 | <StevenK> | I say the US dollar has weaken, and you accuse me hating freedom? |
| 01:07 | <charlie> | bd_: a few months ago yeah, but it'd be so cool to have a server in seattle or calgary |
| 01:08 | <Battousai> | i want a server in moose factory |
| 01:08 | <erikh> | StevenK: hell, a few years back getting a basket of fries would do that |
| 01:08 | <StevenK> | erikh: Mmmmm |
| 01:08 | <erikh> | at least, according to the media and some windbags in washington |
| 01:08 | <StevenK> | Hah |
| 01:08 | <avongauss> | Give Calgary a server, then Melbourne will want one, next thing you know London and Singapore will want one. |
| 01:09 | <StevenK> | I just came back from the States, too |
| 01:09 | <erikh> | i imagine seattle and chicago would be nice compromises |
| 01:09 | <erikh> | (and I imagine much simpler to manage for linode's accountant(s)) |
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| 01:09 | <StevenK> | Calgary or some other Canadian city would be way cool |
| 01:10 | <Peng_> | Hmm, OpenDNS is in (or near) Seattle, Palo Alto, New York, and Washington, D.C. (and London). They also have Chicago and Hong Kong planned. |
| 01:10 | <erikh> | err, you do realize that there are lots of issues with going multinational that have nothing to do with data centers, right? |
| 01:10 | <StevenK> | erikh: Absolutely. |
| 01:10 | <bd_> | finding a data center is the easy part... :) |
| 01:10 | <erikh> | indeed. |
| 01:10 | <Battousai> | so is evading the taxes |
| 01:10 | <avongauss> | Yes, but you could also say once get one country down the next few don't hurt as much... ;) |
| 01:10 | <StevenK> | erikh: Merely commenting that it would be cool, not thinking about the logistics. |
| 01:11 | <erikh> | ah, yeah. |
| 01:11 | <erikh> | avongauss: that's true |
| 01:11 | <avongauss> | Linde of Australia |
| 01:11 | <avongauss> | ack |
| 01:11 | <avongauss> | Linode of Australia |
| 01:11 | <avongauss> | Linode of Canada |
| 01:11 | <avongauss> | Linode of Signapore, Linode of Ireland |
| 01:11 | <StevenK> | Heh |
| 01:11 | <erikh> | I just remember having to break a few bones to reset them when one company I worked for started doing business in canada |
| 01:11 | <Peng_> | Linode of Sealand! |
| 01:11 | <erikh> | just on the software side |
| 01:12 | <erikh> | I don't even want to imagine all the other bits. |
| 01:12 | <@linbot> | New news from forums: / FS remounting read-only in General Discussion <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3402>; |
| 01:12 | <avongauss> | Place order for servers, have directly shipped to country. Put someone on a plane, build'em and rack'em. |
| 01:12 | <bd_> | avongauss: you're going to send someone overseas every time a server order comes in? |
| 01:12 | <bd_> | that'll get expensive fast |
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| 01:12 | <StevenK> | Agreed. |
| 01:12 | <StevenK> | Too expensive |
| 01:13 | <bd_> | your other choice is to trust the DC goons to assemble the server for you |
| 01:13 | <bd_> | good luck :D |
| 01:13 | <leonardo> | [root@localhost ~][root@localhost ~]# modprobe ppp-compress-18 && echo |
| 01:13 | <erikh> | meh, that's what $80/hr data center monkeys are for |
| 01:13 | <Peng_> | With the rate Linode sends out servers, how useful would more DCs be? There would only be availability once every two months. |
| 01:13 | <avongauss> | bd_: Just the initial racking - which presumably you would have a higher ratio than expected demand as it would take longer to provision new server. |
| 01:13 | <Peng_> | Most people would just have to go with whatever 1 or 2 have availibility right now. |
| 01:13 | <StevenK> | I expect you'd fly someone out for the initial deployment. |
| 01:13 | <Peng_> | Oh, it is "availability". |
| 01:13 | <bd_> | avongauss: and you need capital to do that, which is currently a problem for linode (which is why for a while there was 0 availability for long periods) |
| 01:14 | <Peng_> | VC? IPO? :D |
| 01:14 | * | Peng_ ducks. |
| 01:14 | <avongauss> | bd_: If they are really having capital concerns as such, which I didn't know, then now wouldn't be the time. |
| 01:14 | <avongauss> | IPO = I Probably (want) Out |
| 01:15 | <avongauss> | in general |
| 01:15 | <bd_> | avongauss: well, I don't know if they still are, but that's why the annual plans were changed (to encourage more people to prepay) |
| 01:15 | <Peng_> | I wonder how much the servers cost? They get $800/month/server.. |
| 01:15 | <Peng_> | bd_: It got me to prepay, but only so I could still get the disk space. :P |
| 01:16 | <StevenK> | Given the hardware, I'm guessing 5 months or so to re-coup |
| 01:16 | <avongauss> | The data center usually wants a "small" fee to have you store your server there... |
| 01:16 | <Peng_> | Heh, I totally forgot about those costs. The only ones I thought of were employees. |
| 01:16 | <avongauss> | I believe caker's last answer to something like that was - you're way off. |
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| 01:17 | <StevenK> | This is all just conjecture. :-) |
| 01:17 | <avongauss> | His last answer wasn't... ;) |
| 01:17 | <StevenK> | Well, sure. :-) |
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| 01:18 | <avongauss> | Expect for dealing with us, I would imagine it is a fun business to be in. |
| 01:18 | <StevenK> | Peng_: I could probably enumerate them. :-) |
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| 01:20 | <avongauss> | damn, he left before I could answer. |
| 01:21 | <avongauss> | In case leonardo reads this, search the forums, other people are running pptpd - couldn't find "FAIL TO READ GRE" |
| 01:21 | <Peng_> | avongauss: Also except for dealing with the DC issues. |
| 01:21 | <erikh> | I did game servers rentals for a while. hosting by the month is a great way to watch numbers change rapidly |
| 01:21 | <avongauss> | Peng_: Good point. |
| 01:22 | <erikh> | of course, it's compounded when most of your clients are underage |
| 01:22 | <avongauss> | Annual payments versus monthly payments also mean less credit card transaction fees. |
| 01:23 | <erikh> | sure, but that's probably a minor issue... they're not a convenience store. |
| 01:23 | <Peng_> | It adds up. |
| 01:23 | <avongauss> | It does add up, quite a bit. |
| 01:24 | <erikh> | it does when you're doing hundreds of transactions a day |
| 01:24 | <erikh> | but when you're billing $30/mo/card, the 8 cents/transaction a lousy merchant account will run is really minor |
| 01:25 | <avongauss> | Credit cards aren't as good as SSL certificates, but pretty close. Charge a percentage and charge a fee just for doing a simple transaction. |
| 01:25 | <SelfishMan> | !avail-he |
| 01:25 | <@linbot> | SelfishMan: Fremont360 - 0, Fremont540 - 0, Fremont720 - 0, Fremont1080 - 0, Fremont1440 - 0, Fremont2880 - 0 |
| 01:25 | <SelfishMan> | !avail-atlanta |
| 01:25 | <@linbot> | SelfishMan: Atlanta360 - 0, Atlanta540 - 0, Atlanta720 - 0, Atlanta1080 - 0, Atlanta1440 - 0, Atlanta2880 - 0 |
| 01:26 | <SelfishMan> | !avail-newark |
| 01:26 | <@linbot> | SelfishMan: Newark360 - 16, Newark540 - 19, Newark720 - 14, Newark1080 - 11, Newark1440 - 7, Newark2880 - 4 |
| 01:26 | <SelfishMan> | Newark it is |
| 01:26 | <StevenK> | Hm. Didn't Atlanta have a small number available? |
| 01:26 | <SelfishMan> | They did. I checked availabilty, clicked submit order, went to create the node and none were available in atlanta |
| 01:26 | * | SelfishMan was not amused |
| 01:27 | <avongauss> | or Dallas |
| 01:27 | <SelfishMan> | I have three in Dallas right now, don't want another (yet) |
| 01:27 | <avongauss> | or not... ;) |
| 01:27 | <SelfishMan> | !avail-tp |
| 01:27 | <@linbot> | SelfishMan: Dallas360 - 11, Dallas540 - 2, Dallas720 - 7, Dallas1080 - 0, Dallas1440 - 0, Dallas2880 - 0 |
| 01:27 | <SelfishMan> | The 540's seem to go quick |
| 01:28 | <erikh> | good price/performance point |
| 01:28 | <SelfishMan> | yeah |
| 01:28 | <StevenK> | Linode's in general seem to go quickly, from what I've seen. :-) |
| 01:30 | <SelfishMan> | Anyone have a HE 360 they would be willing to sell? |
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| 01:31 | <erikh> | SelfishMan: how much are you thinking? |
| 01:31 | <erikh> | I could probably live with some downtime and/or a move. |
| 01:31 | <avongauss> | Ah, the Linode secondary markets. Linode Fremont's are rare these days... ;) |
| 01:31 | <SelfishMan> | Migration downtime is pretty minimal |
| 01:31 | <tvalladon> | Anyone had any experience with sshd under ubuntu 7.10 taking forever to go from asking for the username to asking for the password? |
| 01:32 | <SelfishMan> | I need to run some numbers first. Not sure a 360 will cut it |
| 01:32 | <erikh> | i've done my fair share of migrations. :) |
| 01:32 | <erikh> | sure, just /msg me |
| 01:32 | <avongauss> | rDNS? |
| 01:32 | <erikh> | i'm going to bed |
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| 01:32 | <SelfishMan> | tvalladon: In my experience it usually means bad or missing rDNS |
| 01:33 | <Peng_> | Trading Linodes? I smell an opportunity! Anybody good at Rails? |
| 01:33 | <lucca> | hm, if I remove my additional ip through the web interface, how can I be sure which ip is removed? |
| 01:34 | <tvalladon> | SelfishMan: is rdns an issue even though I am connecting through IP address and not the host name? |
| 01:34 | <SelfishMan> | I remember it giving you the option to select which one was removed |
| 01:34 | <SelfishMan> | Your client rDNS is an issue |
| 01:34 | <SelfishMan> | There is a setting for sshd you can change. Can't remember what though |
| 01:34 | <tvalladon> | SelfishMan: ahhhh... |
| 01:34 | <lucca> | SelfishMan: ahh, it does... thanks! |
| 01:34 | <avongauss> | yeah, if they ever allow Linode transfers amongst user's in the Linode API, it could get dicey. |
| 01:35 | <Peng_> | You should check sshd's log to see if rdns is the issue in the first place |
| 01:35 | <Peng_> | I'll sell my Dallas360 for $8000. :) |
| 01:35 | <SelfishMan> | I've migrated nodes a dozen times and pretty much used every feature in the add/remove extras panel. |
| 01:35 | <avongauss> | You can keep your Dallas 360... ;) |
| 01:35 | <SelfishMan> | I'll sell a dallas 360 for half that |
| 01:35 | <erikh> | tvalladon: do you have a ton of ssh keys loaded in your agent? |
| 01:35 | * | SelfishMan runs off and buys all the dallas360s |
| 01:35 | <erikh> | ssh -v should help you figure it out |
| 01:36 | <tvalladon> | nope.. putty running with no keys or sessions saved. |
| 01:36 | <bd_> | ssh-add -l <-- lists all identities loaded into ssh-agent |
| 01:36 | <avongauss> | SelfishMan: yes, but how much of an acquisition fee would you pay for a Fremont 360? ;) |
| 01:36 | <erikh> | to clarify, it will attempt every key in your agent before PAM (or whatever you hand auth off to for password auth) fires |
| 01:37 | <SelfishMan> | Depends on if a Fremont 360 will do the job. I'm going to build the system in dallas and work from there. Then I'll know what I actually need. |
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| 01:37 | <erikh> | tvalladon: yeah, check ssh -v. maybe ssh is trying gssapi or kerb or something like that. |
| 01:37 | <avongauss> | I was just jesting about the $8000 / $4000 amounts thrown out. Price is always a question of demand or need. |
| 01:38 | <erikh> | i don't think my conscience would let me do that anyways |
| 01:38 | <SelfishMan> | avongauss: So I didn't need to buy 11 dallas 360s? |
| 01:38 | <avongauss> | SelfishMan: depends, did you just start the next Amazon.com? |
| 01:38 | <encode> | !avail-he |
| 01:38 | <@linbot> | encode: Fremont360 - 0, Fremont540 - 0, Fremont720 - 0, Fremont1080 - 0, Fremont1440 - 0, Fremont2880 - 0 |
| 01:39 | <erikh> | heh, amazon.com uses a lot more than 11 servers. |
| 01:39 | <avongauss> | they had to start somewhere.... ;) |
| 01:39 | <StevenK> | SelfishMan: You have 11 Linodes? |
| 01:39 | <SelfishMan> | No. Only 4 or 5 |
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| 01:39 | <avongauss> | Sounds like you have your first buyer... |
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| 01:40 | <erikh> | anyways, i'm going to bed for real now. |
| 01:40 | <Peng_> | erikh: Good night. :) |
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| 01:44 | <tvalladon> | hmm.. ok.. thank you. |
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| 01:46 | <SelfishMan_> | Ugh |
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| 02:18 | <@linbot> | New news from wiki: CentOS <http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php/CentOS>; |
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| 03:04 | <Peng_> | I'll be your crony, depending on the job description and perks. |
| 03:07 | <exor674> | I wonder if there's a virtual dedicated crony service <_< |
| 03:17 | <Peng_> | Hmm, yeah, we should add social networking features to the Linode trading site. |
| 03:18 | <Peng_> | ("Trading" is the wrong word, but I can't think of a good one.) |
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| 03:18 | <sneakums> | I heard someone was looking for cronies. |
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| 03:20 | <sneakums> | I saw Linode runs PC Linux, and I was wondering when it'll support PowerPC. |
| 03:20 | <sneakums> | I really need the power. |
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| 03:22 | <sneakums> | Well I tried that Arbento Gentoo Gibbous and I didn't like it much. |
| 03:22 | <sneakums> | It took me ages to work out how to install my RPMs. |
| 03:22 | <sneakums> | And then they didn't work because C++ was too old. |
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| 03:46 | <internat1> | any admins arround? |
| 03:46 | <internat1> | got me a question. |
| 03:47 | <internat1> | well anyone actually. |
| 03:47 | <internat1> | in the dns manager.. i have domain.com. lets say i want to alias *.home.domain.com to home.domain.com.. im getting told to nick off |
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| 05:45 | * | Hobbsee eyes the backscroll. |
| 05:45 | <Hobbsee> | i'm surprised bubblewrap hasn't given up yet, after this. |
| 05:47 | <praetorian> | i can get bubblewrap on my iphone |
| 05:47 | <praetorian> | different bubble wrap? ;-) |
| 05:48 | * | encode must have bubblewrap on ignore |
| 05:48 | <praetorian> | its in my /lastlog but its ages ago |
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| 05:50 | <anaoum> | can anyone recommend a decent windows vps host on west coast? |
| 05:52 | <encode> | decent and windows don't belong in the same sentence |
| 05:52 | <encode> | (that would be a no from me) |
| 05:52 | <SelfishMan> | I know of a good one in MN |
| 05:54 | <praetorian> | thats right next to OP right? |
| 05:54 | <anaoum> | encode: haha... its for a client running some asp.net apps |
| 05:54 | <praetorian> | ;) |
| 05:55 | <encode> | i know some in australia, but they'd be way out of most people's price range |
| 05:55 | <praetorian> | anything is here |
| 05:55 | <praetorian> | especially if it uses "bandwidth" :p |
| 05:55 | <encode> | have you tried webhostingtalk.com? almost all of us here are linux users |
| 05:55 | <anaoum> | encode: yeh aus is too expensive, so west coast us gives good latency |
| 05:56 | <anaoum> | wht has got too many posts... just confusing |
| 05:57 | <SelfishMan> | How is your latency to 71.5.110.69? |
| 05:57 | <encode> | anaoum: tried whirlpool? |
| 05:57 | <mattt> | anaoum: mod_mono? |
| 05:57 | <praetorian> | fwiw, http://www.aussiehq.com.au/business/winhostingplans |
| 05:58 | <anaoum> | mattt: really don;t have time for mono |
| 05:58 | <praetorian> | [i don't know what your budget is][i don't know what your budget is] |
| 05:58 | <anaoum> | praetorian: thanks, but in market for vps |
| 05:59 | <encode> | anaoum: i think they are vps |
| 05:59 | <mattt> | do many companies do windows vps? |
| 05:59 | <anaoum> | its alright guys, ill just continue my search.... i just wondered if anyone had a company name off the top of their heads |
| 05:59 | <encode> | at those sort of prices, wont even cover the cost of a single windows license |
| 05:59 | <mattt> | heh, true |
| 06:00 | <SelfishMan> | anaoum: I've had very good luck with KickAssVPS.com |
| 06:00 | <SelfishMan> | Only Windows VPS provider I have ever found that actually works |
| 06:00 | <anaoum> | SelfishMan: thanks! |
| 06:00 | <SelfishMan> | But they are in MN, not on the west coast |
| 06:01 | <praetorian> | http://www.web24.com.au/vps/203/windows_vps.html |
| 06:01 | <praetorian> | from $40 a month |
| 06:02 | <anaoum> | kick ass is cheap! |
| 06:02 | <SelfishMan> | Yep. But they work and they work well. |
| 06:03 | <SelfishMan> | In six months there has only been one network issue that lasted about 15 minutes. Minimal host downtime. |
| 06:03 | <SelfishMan> | Just wish I didn't have to run a Windows VPS still |
| 06:03 | <praetorian> | you dont! ;) |
| 06:04 | <anaoum> | but seriously... nothing compares to linode |
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| 06:06 | <encode> | yeah, get your client to convert from asp.net |
| 06:07 | <SelfishMan> | Yeah, because our clients *love* to throw away all the money they spend developing for .net and spending more on something else |
| 06:07 | <encode> | of course they do |
| 06:07 | <encode> | I can't imagine why someone wouldn't |
| 06:08 | <SelfishMan> | It always comes down to money |
| 06:10 | <encode> | how short sighted |
| 06:11 | <SelfishMan> | maybe, but it is still always about money |
| 06:14 | <Peng_> | There have been a couple threads about Windows VPSes on WHT recently. |
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| 07:12 | <@linbot> | New news from forums: BUG: unable to handle kernel paging request at virtual addre in General Discussion <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3403>; |
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| 08:20 | <BubbleWrap> | woah |
| 08:21 | <BubbleWrap> | i like..died.. |
| 08:21 | <BubbleWrap> | did all the linode die lastnight or something? >.< |
| 08:21 | <BubbleWrap> | linodes* |
| 08:22 | <Alucard> | Newark had some routing problems, and mine crashed |
| 08:23 | <row> | find that unlikely maybe your host machine was rebooted but for all of linode's vms to die would be impressive |
| 08:23 | <Alucard> | other than that probably not |
| 08:23 | <exor674> | yeah |
| 08:23 | <row> | as they are not all in same sate let alone datacentre. |
| 08:23 | <Peng_> | I can confirm that all Linodes did not go down, since mine didn't. |
| 08:23 | <exor674> | for all vms to die (in one DC), the power closet would have to blow up or something... *that* never happens |
| 08:23 | <row> | I don't think mine did :P |
| 08:23 | <exor674> | :P |
| 08:23 | * | row would have to check |
| 08:24 | <Peng_> | Ooh, 89 days of uptime! |
| 08:25 | <Peng_> | "142"? |
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| 08:25 | <Alucard> | petunias |
| 08:30 | <BubbleWrap> | icic |
| 08:30 | <BubbleWrap> | i guess all newark linodes died last night* |
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| 08:31 | <@tasaro> | BubbleWrap: no linodes died last night |
| 08:31 | <Alucard> | 08:22:58: / Alucard / Newark had some routing problems |
| 08:31 | * | Hobbsee guesses you just did something idiotic. |
| 08:31 | <Alucard> | if you defined "died" as "were not accessible for a few minutes" then yes they died. |
| 08:31 | <Alucard> | if you define "died" as "crashed" or "shut down" or "exploded" as people normally do, no, they did not. |
| 08:32 | <Dave> | just network connectivity was screwed |
| 08:32 | <Dave> | http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3401 |
| 08:32 | <Nivex> | The house was still there. The driveway just went missing for awhile. |
| 08:34 | <Peng_> | Sneaky little driveways. |
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| 08:58 | <HoopyCat> | 08:58:57 up 10 days, 8 min, 8 users, load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.00 |
| 08:59 | <HoopyCat> | woah. somehow, ten days ago, i had enough gumption to do a kernel update at an Unreasonably Early Time |
| 08:59 | <HoopyCat> | having an east-facing bedroom window is magical. |
| 09:01 | <Nivex> | except when outside same is a bright streetlight forcing you to black it out |
| 09:01 | <Nivex> | in order to get some sleep |
| 09:12 | <HoopyCat> | true that |
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| 09:14 | <Majes> | issues at Newark? |
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| 09:18 | <Peng_> | Right now? |
| 09:18 | <Peng_> | I can ping newark1 fine from Dallas. |
| 09:18 | <Majes> | ok, thanks |
| 09:18 | <maggot> | hi |
| 09:19 | <Peng_> | That doesn't mean nothing is wrong. |
| 09:19 | <Majes> | yeah, od prob with bind9 ATM |
| 09:19 | <maggot> | hello |
| 09:19 | <Majes> | hi maggot |
| 09:20 | <maggot> | hi |
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| 09:21 | <maggot> | hi |
| 09:22 | <Peng_> | hi |
| 09:22 | <maggot> | hello |
| 09:22 | <maggot> | I need some assitance |
| 09:22 | <maggot> | I,m curently having very high nabdwith |
| 09:23 | <Majes> | incomming? |
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| 09:24 | <maggot> | i,m experiencing very high bandwith usage |
| 09:24 | <maggot> | I do not know the cause |
| 09:24 | <Dave> | iftop should show you some information about where that is coming from |
| 09:24 | <Dave> | if you have it installed |
| 09:24 | <maggot> | yes |
| 09:25 | <maggot> | both |
| 09:25 | <maggot> | i only have just 2 sites hosted |
| 09:26 | <Majes> | if you are saying you don't know were it's comming from. I had a simular prob a few months ago. OPen a ticket, in my case it was somehting odd in the datacenter and they sorted it |
| 09:26 | <maggot> | i do not have it installed |
| 09:27 | <maggot> | how do I install it? |
| 09:27 | <@jadoba> | maggot: what distro? |
| 09:28 | <Hobbsee> | you hit ctrl+d. |
| 09:28 | <@jadoba> | shh |
| 09:29 | <maggot> | ok |
| 09:29 | <@jadoba> | maggot: for debian and ubuntu, try 'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install iftop' |
| 09:29 | <maggot> | ubuntu |
| 09:30 | <@jadoba> | ok, then try that |
| 09:30 | <Dave> | if its apache causing the bw, tail your logs to find out what, you may want to shut it down temporarily whily you're investigating |
| 09:32 | <@jadoba> | maggot: after it is installed, execute it with the following command: |
| 09:32 | <@jadoba> | sudo iftop -i eth0 |
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| 09:33 | <maggot> | ok |
| 09:33 | <Nivex> | oh, that's kinda slick. I used to use iptraf a long time ago |
| 09:34 | <@jadoba> | iftop is nice |
| 09:35 | <guinea-pig> | i like i like iptraf, myself |
| 09:36 | <@jadoba> | anyone ever use ntop? |
| 09:36 | <maggot> | yes |
| 09:37 | <erikh> | iptraf is nice, but quickly starts to hurt when you desire it on something other than linux |
| 09:38 | <maggot> | ok |
| 09:38 | <@jadoba> | erikh: i am the same way with stability |
| 09:38 | <erikh> | and I could never get ntop to do anything but segfault |
| 09:38 | <guinea-pig> | erikh: so i should use something inferior when i *am* on linux, just so i feel better on other systems? |
| 09:39 | <erikh> | guinea-pig: no, but SNMP will usually give you what you desire and work on pretty much every system you can install |
| 09:39 | <MaZ-> | :D/window move down |
| 09:39 | <MaZ-> | welp |
| 09:41 | <erikh> | which is where I ran when I had to manage multiple linux and freebsd machines and noticed iptraf only worked on half of them |
| 09:41 | <maggot> | ok |
| 09:43 | <maggot> | thanks |
| 09:43 | <maggot> | I have it installed now |
| 09:43 | <@jadoba> | ok |
| 09:43 | <@jadoba> | sudo iftop -i eth0 |
| 09:44 | <@jadoba> | examine it, you might not want to paste it here |
| 09:44 | <@jadoba> | P for pause, p for toggling port numbers |
| 09:45 | <maggot> | Can it be exploited |
| 09:46 | <@jadoba> | iftop? |
| 09:46 | <maggot> | don,t know if someone is messing with my bandwith |
| 09:47 | <Hobbsee> | any machine that is on and connected to the internet can be exploited. |
| 09:47 | <@jadoba> | Hobbsee: shorten that sentence |
| 09:47 | <Hobbsee> | jadoba: ? |
| 09:48 | <@jadoba> | s/and connected to the internet // |
| 09:48 | <StevenK> | "any machine that is on can be exploited." |
| 09:48 | <@jadoba> | StevenK: thank you |
| 09:48 | <Hobbsee> | jadoba: oh, i was thinking of remotely. |
| 09:49 | <Hobbsee> | in which case, any machine that is on and connected to anything else can be exploited remotely. |
| 09:49 | <maggot> | how do I know the ports that are safe |
| 09:50 | <@jadoba> | anyone ever use something like this? can someone comment on its accuracy: http://www.bekkoame.ne.jp/~s_ita/port/port1-99.html |
| 09:50 | <HoopyCat> | i figure it's possible to exploit a machine that's turned off |
| 09:50 | <StevenK> | HoopyCat: Sure, if you have physical access |
| 09:51 | <guinea-pig> | any machine can be exploited |
| 09:51 | <maggot> | I see different ports |
| 09:51 | <guinea-pig> | humans can be exploited too |
| 09:51 | <Hobbsee> | maggot: 22 is especially not safe. |
| 09:51 | <guinea-pig> | but aren't humans just complex machines? |
| 09:51 | <@jadoba> | Hobbsee: shh! |
| 09:51 | <Hobbsee> | jadoba: well, it's not! |
| 09:52 | <Hobbsee> | jadoba: there are many drive-by attacks on that port. |
| 09:52 | <@jadoba> | maggot: the connection pulling the greatest amount of traffic will be all the way up top |
| 09:52 | <@jadoba> | Hobbsee: thats just because it is popular |
| 09:52 | <maggot> | ok |
| 09:53 | <maggot> | I have to filter out 22 |
| 09:53 | <@jadoba> | maggot: stop |
| 09:54 | <@jadoba> | 22 is the ssh port, you will effectively kill direct remote access to your server's IP if you filter 22 |
| 09:55 | <guinea-pig> | also, if you're watching that display of iftop over ssh, of course that connection will be among the top ones |
| 09:55 | <@jadoba> | true story |
| 09:55 | <HoopyCat> | "3) My cats are NOT fat, they're BIG BONED." <--- best PR query list rule ever |
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| 09:56 | <maggot> | ok |
| 09:56 | <@jadoba> | guinea-pig: unless there is a single connection pulling more than 20KB/second |
| 09:56 | * | path- uses an iptables rule for 22 to only allow my home and work ip's |
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| 09:57 | <guinea-pig> | jadoba: i didn't say it'd be *the* top one |
| 09:57 | <maggot> | ok |
| 09:59 | <Dave> | you may want to paste the contents to p.linode.com to show us if you're struggling to work out the problem |
| 09:59 | <@jadoba> | maggot: can you hit p to show port numbers, then hit P to pause the screen, then copy the contents of the terminal window and place them in a ticket update? |
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| 10:06 | <erikh> | a nice compromise is making ssh only work with ssh keys |
| 10:06 | <erikh> | lish/remote consoles for when you don't have a key |
| 10:06 | <tozz> | why are people still running SSH on 22? seems like a unnecessary script kiddie port :) |
| 10:07 | <exor674> | because security through obscurity is stupid? :P |
| 10:07 | <tozz> | erikh: yeh, keys ftw |
| 10:07 | <erikh> | yeah, why run anything on the standard ports |
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| 10:07 | <tozz> | exor674: keeps your logfiles clean |
| 10:07 | <tozz> | :p |
| 10:07 | <erikh> | keys have the same effect |
| 10:08 | <erikh> | they get a FIN packet quickly |
| 10:19 | <HoopyCat> | you know, i want to set those people over there on fire, but i'm just not close enough to get the job done. |
| 10:25 | <@jadoba> | HoopyCat: there are many ways to achieve that objective |
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| 11:03 | <HoopyCat> | my god, this is a buttload of paperwork |
| 11:03 | <tjfontaine> | HoopyCat: the better to wipe your butt with |
| 11:06 | <path-> | HoopyCat, seen knol.google.com? |
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| 11:06 | <path-> | maybe it'll cause wikipedia to go extinct |
| 11:06 | <path-> | one can hope.. |
| 11:06 | <tjfontaine> | yup |
| 11:06 | <CaptObviousman> | wotcher got against WP? |
| 11:07 | <tjfontaine> | the nazis that patrol it |
| 11:07 | <path-> | yea |
| 11:07 | <CaptObviousman> | any major internet community has 'em |
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| 11:07 | <CaptObviousman> | you start something new, and new nazis will rise up to take control of it as well |
| 11:07 | <path-> | that doesn't make it right |
| 11:07 | <tjfontaine> | and when that fails we can rise up and try and prevent those same nazis |
| 11:08 | <CaptObviousman> | I agree though, WP has got quite a few of 'em |
| 11:08 | <tjfontaine> | they fail at urls though |
| 11:09 | <MaZ-> | http://knol.google.com/k/the-family-handyman-magazine/toilet-clogs/24fnzmhl3vkiz/11# what a useful site |
| 11:09 | <CaptObviousman> | I think because they consider their cause Very Legitimate |
| 11:09 | <MaZ-> | wikipedia would be so much better if it had articles about how to unblock a blocked toilet |
| 11:09 | <path-> | you know google is going to emphasize the search field |
| 11:10 | <path-> | wikipedia would have deleted the article as irrelevant |
| 11:10 | <tjfontaine> | CaptObviousman: no, they created a huge bueraucracy and lost the organic portion of it |
| 11:10 | <MaZ-> | http://knol.google.com/k/-/-/24fnzmhl3vkiz/kyq0me/20000401_Clogged_Toilets_page003img002.jpg some idiot threw crayons down the toilet?1 |
| 11:10 | <tjfontaine> | CaptObviousman: the idea was that the community would police itself, not that it was mire itself in an inability to complete its task |
| 11:10 | <path-> | it's more about bueraucracy than the content |
| 11:10 | <tjfontaine> | yes. |
| 11:11 | <@jadoba> | MaZ-: at least nobody suggested pouring boiling water into the toilet to melt the crayons |
| 11:11 | <tjfontaine> | stick a wick in it |
| 11:11 | <CaptObviousman> | hmm, so you are annoyed at WP that they won't host a how-to on unclogging toilets? |
| 11:12 | <tjfontaine> | I am annoyed that there is some policy that makes it not 'notable' enough |
| 11:12 | <tjfontaine> | or doesn't have enough citations |
| 11:12 | <tjfontaine> | and is now marked for deletion |
| 11:13 | <tjfontaine> | not to mention I hate mediawiki |
| 11:14 | * | tjfontaine goes about RL |
| 11:14 | <path-> | we use the mediawiki software at $work for documenting and it's ok.. it's not heaviliy heavily used |
| 11:14 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 11:14 | <MaZ-> | lol jadoba |
| 11:14 | <path-> | i just have a problem with the wikipedia community |
| 11:14 | <path-> | they've lost their way |
| 11:14 | <MaZ-> | i agree with path ;o |
| 11:15 | <tjfontaine> | wiki's have lost their way, all the different syntax, and all are just as complex as html and less useful when defining tables |
| 11:15 | <tjfontaine> | so much for quick and easy free linking |
| 11:15 | <MaZ-> | what the... ok im gonna stop reading knol now |
| 11:15 | <MaZ-> | "The extreme form of slow colonic transit, colonic inertia, can be treated by removing the colon surgically." |
| 11:15 | <@jadoba> | MaZ-: it would have melted the wax ring that seals the toilet to the drain pipe... |
| 11:15 | <MaZ-> | do not want surgical colon removal |
| 11:16 | <MaZ-> | yeah jadoba i uhm.... |
| 11:16 | <MaZ-> | may have had an experience with that |
| 11:16 | <MaZ-> | in uni halls |
| 11:16 | <path-> | jadoba: someone did suggest hot water at the bottom |
| 11:16 | <path-> | in the comments |
| 11:16 | <path-> | :) |
| 11:16 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 11:16 | <MaZ-> | lol |
| 11:17 | <@jadoba> | path-: i did not see that |
| 11:17 | <path-> | "A different Approach" |
| 11:17 | <MaZ-> | ahaha |
| 11:17 | <MaZ-> | epic |
| 11:17 | <MaZ-> | basically, stand on a chair high above your toilet |
| 11:17 | <MaZ-> | with a big bucket of hot water |
| 11:17 | <zeroday> | >.< |
| 11:17 | <MaZ-> | this can not go wrong! |
| 11:17 | <zeroday> | cant work this out |
| 11:18 | <zeroday> | im doing finding all .php files, cat-ing them, then replacing the file with some content before the original content, but I cant find out how to redirect the output to the original file |
| 11:18 | -!- | Mojo1978 [~Mojo1978@ip-78-94-125-184.hsi.ish.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] |
| 11:19 | <tjfontaine> | cat $i | modify > $i ? |
| 11:20 | <tjfontaine> | cat $i | modify > $i.tmp && mv $i.tmp $i |
| 11:20 | <StevenK> | cat $i | modify | sponge > $i |
| 11:22 | <Hobbsee> | sponge? |
| 11:22 | <zeroday> | this what im using atm: find -iname "*php" -exec cat php.txt \; -exec cat {} \; |
| 11:22 | <tjfontaine> | haha |
| 11:22 | <tjfontaine> | !google knol sponge |
| 11:22 | <@linbot> | tjfontaine: Search took 0.28 seconds: Non Hormonal Contraception - a knol by Philip Darney: <http://knol.google.com/k/philip-darney/non-hormonal-contraception/b-D0uAcu/ZRk-og>;; FEVER IN CHILDREN - a knol by Charles Pollack: <http://knol.google.com/k/charles-pollack/fever-in-children/CEyBl5qq/Al5ZyA>;; euphoRHEA: Kohlrabi or Knol -kol: <http://euphorhea.blogspot.com/2008/04/turnips-or-knol-kol.html>;; sponge | (3 more messages) |
| 11:23 | <tjfontaine> | zeroday: you want php.txt in every file that finds? |
| 11:23 | <zeroday> | yeah |
| 11:23 | <zeroday> | its actually just one line |
| 11:23 | <@jadoba> | zeroday: perl -0777 -i -ne ?print "first\n$_"? test.txt |
| 11:23 | <tjfontaine> | find -iname '*.php' -exec cat php.txt > '{}' \; |
| 11:24 | <zeroday> | it needs to be at the top |
| 11:24 | <@jadoba> | stupid characters... |
| 11:24 | <StevenK> | Oh, sorry, was distracted by other channels. |
| 11:24 | <tjfontaine> | oh you want it at the top of every file eh |
| 11:24 | <StevenK> | sponge (1) - soak up standard input and write to a file |
| 11:24 | <zeroday> | aye |
| 11:24 | * | CaptObviousman distracts StevenK with a beautiful woman |
| 11:24 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 11:24 | <MaZ-> | non hormonal contraception lol |
| 11:24 | <tjfontaine> | zeroday: without losing the original content |
| 11:24 | <@jadoba> | perl -0777 -i -ne 'print "first\n$_"' test.txt |
| 11:24 | <zeroday> | yeah |
| 11:25 | <HoopyCat> | this stack is 1cm thick |
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