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| 00:41 | <dpn``> | hey i'm trying to add another linode to my account, but it's saying my username is already in use |
| 00:41 | <dpn``> | i know it's in use, it's my username :P |
| 00:42 | <bd_> | I think you need to use a different username and link them, or something |
| 00:45 | <dpn``> | oh, hmm |
| 00:45 | * | dpn`` searches forums |
| 00:46 | <jadoba> | dpn``: keep looking, hold on |
| 00:48 | <jadoba> | dpn``: you can add a linode from your first account |
| 00:48 | <jadoba> | the link is in the dashboard page |
| 00:48 | <dpn``> | yeah that's what i'm trying |
| 00:48 | <dpn``> | but when i go to add it, it asks for my details |
| 00:48 | <dpn``> | i want it to use the same account as my current linode |
| 00:48 | <dpn``> | not have to create a new account for it |
| 00:50 | <path-> | what if you don't fill in acct info? |
| 00:50 | <jadoba> | Additional Linode subscriptions will be invoiced to the credit card we have on file for you. Additionally, all of your Linode subscriptions attached to this account will be accessible from one another through the Linode Platform Manager control panel. |
| 00:51 | <jadoba> | sounds like you have to create a new account, but they'll be linked, like bd_ said |
| 00:52 | <dpn``> | ok that seemed to work |
| 00:52 | <dpn``> | now i'm at my prev admin panel, just gotta find the new node |
| 00:52 | <dpn``> | thanks |
| 00:52 | <jadoba> | glad to help |
| 00:54 | <dpn``> | hmm distro wizard says i have lots of space, but doesn't allow me to select a particular linode |
| 00:54 | <dpn``> | i'll try anyway |
| 00:56 | <dpn``> | ah figured it out |
| 00:56 | <dpn``> | now, to switch to xen |
| 01:01 | <dpn``> | d i have to deploy a distro before i can move it to xen? |
| 01:01 | <path-> | your new linode isn't already xen? |
| 01:02 | <path-> | i had to put in a ticket to get mine moved to xen |
| 01:03 | <Nigel_> | dpn``: send a ticket before you create your disk images |
| 01:04 | <dpn``> | ah i thought xen was in beta and we had to apply for it |
| 01:04 | <Nigel_> | that way when they put you on Xen the 'migration' will take like 1 minute instead of much longer |
| 01:04 | <dpn``> | hmm |
| 01:04 | <Nigel_> | Xens going live atm, but new customers are 'meant' to be going on the xen hosts |
| 01:04 | <path-> | it's not in beta anymore |
| 01:04 | <dpn``> | so how do i tell if my node is xen or not? |
| 01:04 | <dpn``> | ahh |
| 01:04 | <Nigel_> | see what Kernel it lets you select |
| 01:04 | <path-> | i have a xen logo at the top right up my screen |
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| 01:05 | <bd_> | dpn``: look to see if 'xen's in the top bar thing |
| 01:05 | <Nigel_> | oh yeah, little logo |
| 01:05 | <bd_> | /most/ new linodes should go to xen automatically already, I think |
| 01:05 | <dpn``> | it was before i picked the datacentre |
| 01:05 | <dpn``> | now it isnt there anymore |
| 01:05 | <dpn``> | :( |
| 01:05 | <dpn``> | i chose fremont |
| 01:05 | <Nigel_> | send a support ticket, and it shouldn't take too long |
| 01:06 | <dpn``> | ok cool, thanks |
| 01:06 | <Nigel_> | I switched last night, dispite three smallish problems, I was away laughing in no time |
| 01:07 | <dpn``> | hmm |
| 01:07 | <dpn``> | ticket lodge |
| 01:07 | <dpn``> | d |
| 01:07 | <dpn``> | now i wait i suppose |
| 01:07 | <dpn``> | thanks for the help again :) |
| 01:07 | <Nigel_> | 1 of the problems was my fault too :P |
| 01:07 | <dpn``> | haha |
| 01:08 | <Nigel_> | 1 of the problems was because I didn't choose 'latest kernel' and Xenify Distro stuffed up the inittab config, and the 3rd is well I dunno |
| 01:09 | <Nigel_> | so yeah, I recommend using the 'Latest Kernel' unless you need a 2.6.2x feature |
| 01:10 | <dpn``> | is 2.6 up to .3x already? :| |
| 01:11 | <Nigel_> | don't think so |
| 01:11 | <Nigel_> | 2.6.24.4 |
| 01:11 | <Nigel_> | although 2.6.25-rc7 is out |
| 01:12 | <bd_> | 2.6.25 introduces TASK_KILLABLE, finally :) |
| 01:12 | <Nigel_> | whats that? |
| 01:12 | <bd_> | It lets you kill -9 a task waiting for I/O |
| 01:12 | <path-> | nice |
| 01:12 | <quanin> | can't you do that anyway? |
| 01:12 | <bd_> | so no more bad hardware/drivers leaving unkillable processes hanging around |
| 01:12 | <Nigel_> | hmmm, I thought you could already do that :P |
| 01:12 | <bd_> | quanin: Not in D state |
| 01:12 | <path-> | would have nicer in days when we used nfs more |
| 01:13 | <Nigel_> | the solution to nfs is soft mounts no? |
| 01:13 | <bd_> | sendfile can spend a while in D as well I think... but it's been years since I tried sendfile on a large filesize |
| 01:13 | <Nigel_> | we used to have that problem at work, student would kick the ethernet cable, and their machine would just lockup |
| 01:14 | <quanin> | nice. |
| 01:14 | <Nigel_> | They used to find it amazing when I'd go up and plug the cable back in and it'd work just like that :P |
| 01:14 | <path-> | i can see where that would be a constant prank |
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| 01:15 | <path-> | at my work, everyone has windows with roaming profiles and you pull the plug and all the desktop icons disappear |
| 01:15 | <Nigel> | heh |
| 01:15 | <path-> | F5 |
| 01:15 | <path-> | heh |
| 01:16 | <path-> | i wish we had some unix/linux labs |
| 01:16 | <quanin> | they do something ridiculously stupid with the windows profiles at work. they're not quite roaming, but not quite local. |
| 01:16 | <Nigel> | actually, where I was working, if the network cable got pulled out before login, KDM would just say "Fatal Error", instead of Incorrect User/Pass/whatever :P |
| 01:16 | <path-> | i setup this linux vnc server even where people could vnc in and get X |
| 01:16 | <path-> | unused |
| 01:16 | <Nigel> | used to get me that one |
| 01:16 | <Nigel> | it was just a standard NIS setup too |
| 01:17 | <path-> | there is a way with windows to redirect folders and not roam the profiles.. or redirect some of them.. it all sucks though |
| 01:17 | <quanin> | it does. |
| 01:17 | <path-> | it's problematic regardless |
| 01:18 | <path-> | http://www.vmware.com/products/vdi/ |
| 01:19 | <path-> | virtual machines to the desktop |
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| 01:19 | <path-> | yet another approach to make dumb terminals |
| 01:19 | <quanin> | i'm trying to make an argument for switching to linux at work. sadly our IT people seem to have misplaced their degrees. |
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| 01:20 | <path-> | it's a hard sell on the desktop |
| 01:20 | <path-> | we use it for a lot of servers |
| 01:20 | <quanin> | yeah but they don't even run it on their servers. |
| 01:20 | <path-> | with linux the mail server is free.. with microsoft it would be $10/user x 30k accounts |
| 01:20 | <path-> | chaching |
| 01:21 | <quanin> | they chose to pay the $10/user. |
| 01:21 | * | jadoba likes to assert that the alternatives are Vista and XP, or mac. Vista is garbage, XP is reaching its EOL in a year or two, and mac is... well, its so different that you might as well switch to linux :D |
| 01:21 | <path-> | yea, i dunno if mac's have all the enterprise type tools that are out there for windows |
| 01:21 | * | jadoba has switched one person to linux so far, and is going to switch another on monday |
| 01:22 | <jadoba> | path-: enterprise-type tools? |
| 01:22 | <quanin> | problem is, i work for dell. they're in bed with microsoft. and the only reason i'm still there is i've yet to find something that'll give me more $$$. |
| 01:22 | <jadoba> | quanin: dell does a whole lot for linux too |
| 01:22 | <path-> | like group policy type stuff.. enforcing updates, pushing out fixes |
| 01:22 | <path-> | automated network installs |
| 01:23 | <jadoba> | path-: gotcha |
| 01:23 | <path-> | dell has been good to us |
| 01:23 | <quanin> | oh, i know they do a lot for it on the consumer side. but i'm still banging on doors to get it used internally. |
| 01:24 | <jadoba> | dell actually supports linux on the desktop by helping port device drivers and sharing the source, fixing bugs and sharing the source... |
| 01:24 | <path-> | dell only seems to make an attempt externally when it's time to renew their contracts with microsoft |
| 01:24 | <path-> | like they need a barging chip |
| 01:25 | <path-> | well, we don't really get linux support from dell |
| 01:25 | <quanin> | that's why we don't actually support linux though, even though we sell it. you buy a desktop with ubuntu on it, you get canonical's phone number. |
| 01:26 | <path-> | but we just got some 2950's with dual xeon quad core and 32g ram |
| 01:26 | <path-> | they are very sweet |
| 01:26 | <path-> | running esx 3i |
| 01:27 | <quanin> | the only reason i'm not running linux at home is i don't entirely trust its text-to-speech capability. otherwise any computer i work on would probably run either gentoo or debian. |
| 01:27 | <@caker> | huh .. 71 hits to linode.com for March were from a commodore 64 (...) |
| 01:28 | <@caker> | 21 hits from BeOS |
| 01:28 | <path-> | that still exists? |
| 01:28 | <quanin> | nifty. |
| 01:28 | <jadoba> | caker: oustanding |
| 01:28 | <jadoba> | a commodore 64 web browser |
| 01:28 | <bd_> | caker: did you see my note about your rsync idea vs data=writeback? |
| 01:28 | <@caker> | 446 hits from symbian |
| 01:28 | <bd_> | on #linode-xenbeta about 24 hours ago |
| 01:29 | <@caker> | bd_: yeah, I did ... good thinking |
| 01:29 | <@caker> | I'm still pondering the udev console idea |
| 01:29 | <bd_> | I still think dm-mirror+nbd might be worth exploring |
| 01:29 | <bd_> | heck, you could migrate without downtime then :) |
| 01:29 | <quanin> | one of these days i should actually finish setting up the mail server on this linode. instead of leaving it sort of half sitting there. |
| 01:31 | <@caker> | 6 hits from a playstation |
| 01:31 | <@caker> | 6 from an amiga |
| 01:31 | <path-> | wii? |
| 01:31 | <bd_> | also is linode.com on a xen host yet? :) |
| 01:31 | <@caker> | 5 from os/2 (these must be faked) |
| 01:31 | <@caker> | bd_: yes, as of a few months ago |
| 01:31 | <@caker> | 3 from CPM?!?! |
| 01:32 | <@caker> | 44.8% windows :/ |
| 01:32 | <jadoba> | caker: often os/2 shows up on bbclone when someone connects from a pclinuxos with firefox 2... |
| 01:32 | <@caker> | 21.8% Linux of various distros |
| 01:32 | <@caker> | 15.7% mac |
| 01:33 | <@caker> | 55.2% Firefox, 12.8% MSIE, 12.8% wget (those bastards), 5.5% safari |
| 01:34 | <bd_> | what about konq? :( |
| 01:34 | <jadoba> | uhh what about it? |
| 01:34 | <@caker> | 0.4% konq |
| 01:34 | <bd_> | ;_; |
| 01:34 | <bd_> | I shouldn't say anything though, I use firefox most of the time <.< |
| 01:34 | <tjfontaine> | so 5.9% |
| 01:34 | <bd_> | But I would use konq if its JS support wasn't lacking, and it had something like rikaichan :/ |
| 01:35 | <@caker> | heh .. I banned an IP yesterday with some guy wgetting the entire site in a loop .. 12.5GB worth |
| 01:35 | <path-> | damn, wget didn't beat ie |
| 01:35 | <jadoba> | path-: that was your diabolical plan? |
| 01:35 | <path-> | uhh no.. why do you ask? |
| 01:36 | <jadoba> | wget linode.com in a loop so it would overtake msie? |
| 01:36 | <bd_> | Tsk, gotta do it through tor so it looks like hits from multiple users ;) |
| 01:36 | <quanin> | caker: how do you keep track of that so you can? i'm thinking of moving a website or two to one of my linodes once i finish figuring out how many ways i can break them, and tricks like that might be useful. |
| 01:38 | <@caker> | keep track of what, these stats? apache logs, combined format |
| 01:39 | <quanin> | well that, and for example some bastard downloading your entire site via wget. |
| 01:39 | <@caker> | oh .. I'm a tailing logfile whore |
| 01:40 | <path-> | watch tail? |
| 01:40 | <@caker> | I watch everything. |
| 01:40 | <jadoba> | path-: tail -f ... |
| 01:40 | <quanin> | heh. can't say a damn thing. i have syslog streaming to a screened window because i'm too lazy to tail logfiles. |
| 01:40 | <path-> | my email servers, i have to do watch tail |
| 01:41 | <path-> | it's just too fast |
| 01:41 | <jadoba> | ooo, right |
| 01:41 | <bd_> | jadoba: tail -F you mean :) |
| 01:41 | <bd_> | (what, you don't leave it running long enough for log rotation to be an issue?) |
| 01:42 | <jadoba> | ah |
| 01:42 | <jadoba> | -F is better then |
| 01:43 | <Peng> | Bot traps++ |
| 01:43 | <@caker> | or --max-unchanged-stats=NN if you don't unlink/compress the rotated file |
| 01:44 | <@caker> | (or both) |
| 01:44 | <bd_> | caker: unlinking it will ensure that it does end up reopening, right? |
| 01:44 | <bd_> | compressing usually involving unlinking |
| 01:45 | <bd_> | ie, -F == --follow=name --max-unchanged-states=1, right? |
| 01:45 | <bd_> | stats* |
| 01:45 | <bd_> | or 0 even |
| 01:45 | <@caker> | -F is --retry, follow |
| 01:45 | <bd_> | oh, hm, actually, it's only statting it ... |
| 01:46 | <bd_> | -F same as --follow=name --retry <-- but exactly what =name does is not mentioned... |
| 01:47 | * | Talman looks up... "Why would someone wget the linode site?" |
| 01:47 | <Talman> | Stupid DoS attempt? |
| 01:47 | <@caker> | typically it's people harvesting emails |
| 01:47 | <@caker> | ... is my guess |
| 01:48 | <Talman> | Ah. :| But... 90% of the thing is behind HTACCESS stuff. |
| 01:48 | <Talman> | Did they provide the username/pass? |
| 01:48 | <@caker> | irc log parts/joins look suspiciously like email addresses |
| 01:48 | <Talman> | Oooh, true. |
| 01:49 | * | Talman figured they'd choke and recurse on the wiki and irc logs. |
| 01:49 | <tjfontaine> | oh damnit who broke services |
| 01:49 | * | tjfontaine logs in to find out |
| 01:50 | <bd_> | Oh, I just thought of something. Will existing xen-beta hosts have to /migrate/ or just reboot? I recall hearing that at one point xen linodes were lumped onto hosts without regard to linode size, and that that would have to be corrected before going into production, but I don't know if that's changed or what... |
| 01:51 | <Talman> | What, we're actually getting out of beta soon? :) |
| 01:51 | <@caker> | yes, they will .. but as the majority of the people on them are 360s, we'll leave them alone (and make them 360 hosts), and ask the few people with larger plans on those hosts to "upgrade" to their correct host type |
| 01:51 | <@caker> | Talman: read /topic |
| 01:52 | <@caker> | we should be sending out those notifications this week .. we'll give those people plenty of time to kick off their migration |
| 01:52 | <bd_> | caker: is fremont34 one of the mixed hosts? |
| 01:52 | <Toba> | wow |
| 01:52 | <Toba> | that is good news, the xen thing |
| 01:52 | <@caker> | bd_: I believe so |
| 01:52 | <Talman> | Awesome. |
| 01:52 | * | caker looks |
| 01:52 | <Toba> | so long as I don't have to worry about my system breaking |
| 01:52 | <Toba> | I am totally okay with it |
| 01:52 | <path-> | heh |
| 01:52 | <Talman> | Now RateMyLinode needs to update to Xen |
| 01:53 | <@caker> | bd_: yes, it is |
| 01:53 | <bd_> | Toba: If you're still on 2.4.x you might have problems ;) |
| 01:53 | <bd_> | caker: ah, okay |
| 01:53 | <Toba> | yeah, I'm not |
| 01:53 | <Toba> | Linux balin.truct.org 2.6.23.1-linode36 #1 Sun Nov 4 12:03:06 EST 2007 i686 UML User Mode Linux GNU/Linux |
| 01:53 | <Toba> | I should be fine, right? |
| 01:53 | <scorche> | !avail |
| 01:53 | <@linbot> | scorche: Linode360 - 28, Linode540 - 20, Linode720 - 19, Linode1080 - 8, Linode1440 - 8 |
| 01:53 | <Nigel> | caker: hey did you read my comments on xenify? |
| 01:54 | <@caker> | Nigel: was it the problem with vc/? and Arch? |
| 01:54 | <Nigel> | tty1/hvc0 |
| 01:54 | <@caker> | you guys shouldn't be running anything other than Latest 2.6 yet ... :) |
| 01:55 | -!- | mode/#linode [-o linbot] by ChanServ |
| 01:55 | <Nigel> | oh whatever :P |
| 01:55 | <@caker> | hehe |
| 01:55 | <tjfontaine> | sorry bout linbot, and don't put it there if you don't want me to run it ;) |
| 01:55 | <@caker> | we'll add official support for 2.6.24 and up this week, and xenify will know what to do |
| 01:55 | <tjfontaine> | I started with .25 but it didn't boot ;) |
| 01:56 | <scorche> | !avail-dallas |
| 01:56 | <linbot> | scorche: Dallas360 - 0, Dallas540 - 20, Dallas720 - 0, Dallas1080 - 0, Dallas1440 - 0 |
| 01:56 | <@caker> | 10 more hosts worth of components arriving on Tuesday :) |
| 01:56 | <bd_> | scorche: there's an overview at https://www.linode.com/avail.cfm too |
| 01:56 | <scorche> | bd_: ah...forgot about that! |
| 01:57 | <scorche> | caker: where are they going? |
| 01:57 | <Eman> | caker, how many hosts total are you up to now? |
| 01:57 | <Nigel> | ahhh, I thought 34 was 360s only, oh well :P |
| 01:57 | <@caker> | scorche: atlanta and dallas |
| 01:57 | <scorche> | caker: new 1080 in dallas, perhaps? |
| 01:57 | <Nigel> | oh wait, i'm on 36 |
| 01:57 | <bd_> | heh, fremont seems a bit unloved :) |
| 01:58 | <@caker> | Eman: 123 hosts |
| 01:58 | <@caker> | a few of those are hot spares |
| 01:58 | <Eman> | wow |
| 01:58 | <Eman> | growing like crazy |
| 01:58 | <tjfontaine> | first host I was on was 10 ;) |
| 01:59 | <tjfontaine> | when it was new |
| 01:59 | <Eman> | i was on host9 when i signed up |
| 01:59 | <quanin> | you should make a migration/registration waiting list. so people can get put in the datacenter of their choice without having to sign up, and then migrate when something opens up. that way you can add hosts according to demand. |
| 02:00 | <@caker> | quanin: for migrations/existing customers, you should file a ticket .. we take those into consideration when deploying new machines |
| 02:00 | <erikh> | caker: oh, btw, slick job on the xen stuff, so far no trouble |
| 02:01 | <@caker> | erikh: great to hear |
| 02:01 | <scorche> | caker: ah...alright...i will file a ticket then :) |
| 02:11 | <jadoba> | caker: sounds like tuesday will be a busy day |
| 02:11 | <@caker> | jadoba: :) |
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| 02:19 | <chesty> | is atlanta DC closer to australia? (I can't remember :( ) |
| 02:20 | <Toba> | than what? |
| 02:20 | <Toba> | texas? no. that is further away. |
| 02:21 | <bd_> | physically maybe, but network topology can be misleading... |
| 02:22 | <Nigel> | caker: well I'm more than happy with xen |
| 02:22 | <Peng> | It's worth doing a traceroute to find out. |
| 02:23 | <Peng> | http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2636 |
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| 02:24 | <Peng> | I would assume Fremont is closer. |
| 02:25 | <Nigel> | Personally I'm at Fremont and I'm more than happy with latency etc |
| 02:27 | <bd_> | 0$ zsh 1$ zsh 2$ zsh 3$ zsh 4$ zsh 5$ zsh 6$ zsh 7$ zsh 8$ zsh 9*$ zsh 10$ zsh 11$ zsh 12-$ zsh |
| 02:27 | <bd_> | hmm |
| 02:28 | * | bd_ garbage-collects his screen session |
| 02:28 | <chesty> | Peng: yeah fremont it is, thanks |
| 02:28 | <@caker> | zsh, eh? |
| 02:28 | <bd_> | I'm a sucker for good tab completion :) |
| 02:29 | <bd_> | and bash-completion has interesting bugs with mplayer's more exotic options... |
| 02:31 | <path-> | hmm |
| 02:31 | <path-> | 02:31:21 (3.55 MB/s) - `Tailing-Aaron.mov.1' |
| 02:31 | <path-> | sweet |
| 02:32 | <path-> | fremont was 800K avg, dallas was 3.55M, and atlanta was 2.9M |
| 02:34 | <path-> | shoulda tracerouted i supposed.. |
| 02:34 | <path-> | i wish i got that speed at home though |
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| 04:07 | <erikh> | you can do some really powerful things with zsh |
| 04:07 | <erikh> | it's impressive, but at the same time, you have to escape damn near everything non alpha in a command because it's a shell metaexpression |
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| 09:04 | <anaoum> | anyone know of a good, reliable cheap whm reseller host?? |
| 09:08 | <jadoba> | whm? |
| 09:09 | <anaoum> | cpanel |
| 09:09 | <anaoum> | whm |
| 09:12 | <zeroday> | hmm....my server time is gmt, but the clocks have gone 1 hr forward, how do I set that up on the linode? it didnt auto update |
| 09:14 | <jadoba> | zeroday: debian: IIRC... dpkg-reconfigure -phigh tzdata |
| 09:14 | <zeroday> | centos |
| 09:15 | <jadoba> | dunno |
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| 09:32 | <Peng> | Wait, what? GMT does not observe DST.. |
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| 09:34 | <zeroday> | I did a ln -s from /usr/share/zoneinfo/gmt to /etc/localtime, it ddint update |
| 09:34 | <zeroday> | so I did an ln -s /usr......./europe/london and it worked |
| 09:42 | <path-> | zeroday, tzselect is the config program |
| 09:43 | <zeroday> | heh, didnt know that |
| 09:43 | <path-> | i dunno |
| 09:43 | <zeroday> | I always used ln -s |
| 09:43 | <path-> | i could be wrong there |
| 09:43 | <path-> | that's probably best |
| 09:44 | <path-> | there's probably some redhat curses system-config thing |
| 09:44 | <path-> | i think tzselect is something else |
| 09:44 | <path-> | i thought there was something though |
| 09:45 | <mwalling> | /var/log/setup/setup.timeconfig :) |
| 09:45 | <mwalling> | see, you just need to be running a real distro |
| 09:46 | * | mwalling ducks |
| 09:46 | <path-> | why would timeconfig be in the log directory? |
| 09:46 | <jadoba> | logo |
| 09:46 | <jadoba> | Google Custom Search AddThis Social Bookmark Button |
| 09:46 | <jadoba> | daggit |
| 09:46 | <jadoba> | soerry |
| 09:47 | <mwalling> | path-: all of pkgtool |
| 09:47 | <mwalling> | s stuff goes in to /var/log |
| 09:47 | <mwalling> | Pat's answer has always been: "Its my distro" |
| 09:47 | <path-> | seems odd |
| 09:48 | <path-> | why not /var/pkgtool/setup or something |
| 09:48 | <path-> | so i did a search and there is a timeconfig program |
| 09:49 | <path-> | not sure what package it's part of, but thats the centos/redhat cli way to fiddle with it |
| 09:52 | <path-> | it also appears that /etc/sysconfig/clock keeps the timezone info.. probably for when the tzdata packages are updated |
| 09:52 | <path-> | i think those packages copy the file instead of link it |
| 09:54 | <path-> | i'd put ZONE="Europe/London" in there |
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| 10:10 | <Talman> | ln -s /usr/share/zoneinfo/* /etc/localtime is the Gentoo way. |
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| 10:42 | <Talman> | Anyone read mod_rewrite? I'm wondering what this does. |
| 10:42 | <Talman> | RewriteCond %{REQUEST_URI} ^(/component/option,com) [NC,OR] |
| 10:44 | <mendel> | Talman: it's a condition, not a rule, so it doesn't *do* anything, but it's satisfied if the REQUEST_URI matches that pattern, non-case-sensitively (NC), or if the subsequent condition is true (OR). |
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| 10:49 | <erikh> | and it uses parens needlessly |
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| 10:57 | <Talman> | Ah. |
| 11:11 | <zeroday> | is dallas having any network issues atm? |
| 11:16 | <mwalling> | not that i can feel |
| 11:31 | <mendel> | iawtc |
| 11:45 | <JDLSpeedy> | ~75ms |
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| 11:56 | <blbrown> | hello, are certain ports blocked on linode or are they all open by default? |
| 11:56 | <purrdeta> | in the atlanta datacenter certain IRC ports are blocked |
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| 11:57 | <blbrown> | eg, I was trying to run a git daemon instance running on port 9418 |
| 11:57 | <blbrown> | I couldn't tell if it was my firewall or linode that was blocking it |
| 11:58 | <mwalling> | blbrown: atlanta blocks fun stuff, but linode itsself does not |
| 11:58 | <CLorith> | could someone do me a favour and try a dig for me ? |
| 11:58 | <mwalling> | CLorith: sure... |
| 11:58 | <blbrown> | mwalling, you think they would block that port or is there a way to check |
| 11:58 | <CLorith> | 93.118.127.8.dnsbl.clorith.net |
| 11:58 | <mwalling> | !dns 93.118.127.8.dnsbl.clorith.net |
| 11:58 | <linbot> | mwalling: Host not found. |
| 11:58 | <jadoba> | blbrown: hat mwalling means to say is that the datacenter that the atlanta linodes reside in block a few ports |
| 11:59 | <mwalling> | CLorith: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: SERVFAIL, id: 23451 |
| 11:59 | <CLorith> | hmmm |
| 11:59 | <jadoba> | blbrown: if your linode is not in atlanta it would probably not affect you |
| 11:59 | <blbrown> | cool, I got the service running |
| 11:59 | <CLorith> | ok, what's s ervfail mean (in simple terms :P) |
| 12:00 | <blbrown> | jadoba, I think I have the atlanta data center (and I live in Atlanta), but I think they must block IRC and other ports like that guy mentioned |
| 12:00 | <mwalling> | CLorith: SERVer FAILure |
| 12:00 | <blbrown> | another question; can we backup images yet? or is there tricks to do that |
| 12:00 | <CLorith> | guessed as much, hehe, but I haven't made any changes at all since last night when it worked |
| 12:00 | <zeroday> | is there a function available to get the unix timestamp during a sql query with postgresql? |
| 12:01 | * | jadoba considers writing a forum article to stop from repeating himself, but here goes: |
| 12:01 | <jadoba> | blbrown: there is a way that I use |
| 12:02 | <jadoba> | I have a 360 account, and use three disk images all of 3GB each. the first image is my main root filesystem image which contains the OS. the second image is the pertinent information such as served web pages, perhaps var, perhaps home directories. the third image is a copy of the first |
| 12:02 | <blbrown> | oh man... |
| 12:03 | <jadoba> | its a bit intricate, but if something fubars the first then I just boot up the third. |
| 12:03 | <blbrown> | jadoba, cool and think there are a couple articles online that mention this |
| 12:04 | <jadoba> | not much is original these days |
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| 12:04 | <jadoba> | "nothing new under the sun" if you will... |
| 12:05 | <blbrown> | can be a good thing |
| 12:05 | <jadoba> | nah, regurgitating information is a waste of time and a pain in the rear |
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| 12:19 | <mwalling> | CLorith: usually when bind has to send a servfail, it barfs something into its log file, might want to chase that down |
| 12:29 | <path-> | mwalling, you said you used name.com? |
| 12:30 | <path-> | maybe it was someone else who mentioned them |
| 12:30 | <CLorith> | mwalling, will give that a shot, thanks |
| 12:30 | * | path- was trying to find prices on their site |
| 12:30 | <path-> | all i see is one year |
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| 12:45 | <mwalling> | path-: no, i use 1&1 |
| 12:47 | <path-> | hmm.. all these places list 1st year only prices and then say standard price after that, but they don't list it |
| 12:48 | <path-> | http://www.webhosting.info/registrars/ |
| 12:48 | <path-> | that's an interesting site |
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| 13:34 | <Louis> | Hello, can someone help me? I have a question about billing. |
| 13:35 | <mendel> | Dunno how many staff are around on a Sunday, but can't hurt to ask and see who's here |
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| 13:37 | <Louis> | Well, i'm just confused on how if i bought a VPS tomorrow, how i would be charged due to it being the last day of the month. |
| 13:38 | <JDLSpeedy> | Louis: its going to be prorated |
| 13:38 | <mendel> | I bought one last week, and I was charged around $4 for the rest of March, and then the $20 for April, so they pro-rate it |
| 13:39 | <JDLSpeedy> | might be less then a $1 |
| 13:40 | <Louis> | Oh, ok, I asked a friend of mine and they said that i would be charged for both months so thats why I got so confused about things. |
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| 14:29 | <linbot> | New news from forums: stock distro kernels in Xen in Feature Request/Bug Report <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3184>; |
| 14:33 | <simlun> | I just followed the guide in the wiki on how to use Finnix... Now it seems to be booted, but I can't connect to the screen from lish |
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| 15:03 | <soul9> | hello |
| 15:03 | <soul9> | can anyone tell me if there are any blocked ports in dallas? |
| 15:03 | <soul9> | i'm having troubles with ntp, and was wondering wether it could be due to that |
| 15:04 | <Aero187> | soul9: no probs with ports in dallas here |
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| 15:12 | <mwalling> | soul9: i run ntp on a dallas uml node |
| 15:15 | <soul9> | ok |
| 15:15 | <bd_> | If you're on xen and running ntp |
| 15:15 | <bd_> | echo 1 > /proc/sys/xen/independent_wallclock |
| 15:15 | <bd_> | before ntpd starts |
| 15:15 | <soul9> | oh.. |
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| 15:16 | <bd_> | I don't know if that applies to 2.6.2x, haven't tried it yet |
| 15:17 | <soul9> | no, that doesn't help |
| 15:17 | <soul9> | # ntpdate us.pool.ntp.org |
| 15:17 | <soul9> | 30 Mar 19:15:40 ntpdate[1470]: no server suitable for synchronization found |
| 15:17 | <soul9> | :-/ |
| 15:17 | <bd_> | hmm |
| 15:17 | <bd_> | it's working on mine :/ |
| 15:17 | <bd_> | try 0.us.pool.ntp.org ? |
| 15:18 | <soul9> | # ntpdate 0.us.pool.ntp.org |
| 15:18 | <soul9> | 30 Mar 19:18:15 ntpdate[1471]: no server suitable for synchronization found |
| 15:18 | <soul9> | 0_o |
| 15:18 | <bd_> | hmm |
| 15:18 | <bd_> | does ntpd work? |
| 15:18 | <@caker> | ntpdate -u us.pool.ntp.org ? |
| 15:18 | <soul9> | no, it's not running |
| 15:19 | <bd_> | I mean, installing ntpd and using instead of ntpdate |
| 15:19 | <soul9> | oh |
| 15:19 | <soul9> | # ntpdate -u 0.us.pool.ntp.org |
| 15:19 | <soul9> | 30 Mar 19:19:09 ntpdate[1472]: no server suitable for synchronization found |
| 15:19 | <soul9> | bd_: i think ntpd is a bit too much for me :-/ |
| 15:19 | <soul9> | ntpdate should work though |
| 15:19 | <mwalling> | ping us.pool.ntp.org? |
| 15:19 | <mwalling> | do you have workig dns? |
| 15:20 | <soul9> | yes |
| 15:20 | <soul9> | it is working |
| 15:20 | <bd_> | soul9: the default config basically Just Works |
| 15:20 | <soul9> | well |
| 15:20 | <soul9> | the IP it put in there by default was not alive... |
| 15:21 | <soul9> | and i have no idea what all these options mean :-/ |
| 15:21 | <bd_> | server 0.debian.pool.ntp.org iburst dynamic |
| 15:21 | <bd_> | server 1.debian.pool.ntp.org iburst dynamic |
| 15:21 | <bd_> | server 2.debian.pool.ntp.org iburst dynamic |
| 15:21 | <bd_> | server 3.debian.pool.ntp.org iburst dynamic |
| 15:21 | <bd_> | ^^^ the debian defaults... |
| 15:21 | <soul9> | that's all? |
| 15:21 | <bd_> | well, there's other stuff |
| 15:21 | <soul9> | :-/ |
| 15:21 | <soul9> | see |
| 15:21 | <bd_> | http://fushizen.net/~bd/ntp.conf |
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| 15:22 | <soul9> | hm:-: |
| 15:23 | <soul9> | i don't want to have extra traffix, though |
| 15:23 | <soul9> | just one ntpdate would suffice :-( |
| 15:23 | <bd_> | it sends a dozen packets or so an hour once it's in its stable state... |
| 15:23 | <soul9> | hm |
| 15:23 | <bd_> | on xen if you just leave it alone it'll stay synced with the host clock too I think |
| 15:24 | <soul9> | yeah |
| 15:24 | <soul9> | but somehow it doesn't 0_o |
| 15:24 | <soul9> | hm, i'll check |
| 15:24 | <soul9> | /proc |
| 15:26 | <soul9> | where is that config? |
| 15:26 | <bd_> | /etc, if you have ntpd installed |
| 15:26 | <soul9> | for wether the system clock is set to gmt or what |
| 15:26 | <bd_> | oh |
| 15:26 | <bd_> | uh |
| 15:26 | <bd_> | I forget >_> |
| 15:26 | <soul9> | this is kernel, though iirc |
| 15:26 | <soul9> | heh |
| 15:26 | <bd_> | /etc/localtime, was it? |
| 15:27 | <soul9> | yea, it's set to UTC though |
| 15:27 | <bd_> | localtime only affects display really |
| 15:27 | <bd_> | not how it's handled in the kernel |
| 15:27 | <soul9> | which is fine if the xen clock is set to GMT |
| 15:27 | <soul9> | AND that kernel option is checked |
| 15:27 | <bd_> | nono, I mean, the kernel/xen ALWAYS work in UTC |
| 15:27 | <soul9> | hm |
| 15:28 | <bd_> | whatever your settings may be |
| 15:28 | <soul9> | and then how do i set my own time then? |
| 15:28 | <soul9> | hm??? |
| 15:28 | <bd_> | gettimeofday() returns unix time, you see |
| 15:28 | <soul9> | yes |
| 15:28 | <bd_> | if you want to detach you'll need to disconnect from xen's clock with /proc/sys/xen/independent_wallclock |
| 15:28 | <bd_> | er, to set your own time |
| 15:28 | <soul9> | i have done that |
| 15:28 | <soul9> | cat /proc/sys/xen/independent_wallclock |
| 15:28 | <soul9> | 1 |
| 15:29 | <bd_> | as for ntpdate I only use ntpd, so I don't really know |
| 15:29 | <bd_> | try using -v to see how it's failing? |
| 15:29 | <soul9> | ntpd is running |
| 15:29 | <soul9> | # date |
| 15:29 | <soul9> | Sun Mar 30 19:29:37 UTC 2008 |
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| 15:29 | <bd_> | ntpd takes a little while to kick in |
| 15:29 | <bd_> | look at ntpq -p |
| 15:29 | <soul9> | but in UTC is 21:29 |
| 15:30 | <bd_> | no |
| 15:30 | <bd_> | UTC is 19:30 right now |
| 15:30 | <bd_> | % date -u |
| 15:30 | <bd_> | Sun Mar 30 19:30:14 UTC 2008 |
| 15:30 | <mwalling> | Sun Mar 30 19:30:17 UTC 2008 |
| 15:30 | <soul9> | :-/ |
| 15:30 | <soul9> | wtf is utc then? :-) |
| 15:30 | <bd_> | The standard base timezone? :) |
| 15:30 | <mwalling> | zulu |
| 15:30 | <soul9> | :-) |
| 15:30 | <soul9> | heh |
| 15:30 | <jadoba> | bd_: is utc == gmt? |
| 15:31 | <soul9> | is it? |
| 15:31 | <bd_> | jadoba: there's some subtle difference |
| 15:31 | <bd_> | of like a few minutes |
| 15:31 | <jadoba> | bd_: this might be one of them |
| 15:31 | <soul9> | so how do i change my timezone? :-) |
| 15:31 | <mwalling> | what distro? |
| 15:31 | <soul9> | i won't tell you :-) |
| 15:32 | <bd_> | soul9: ln -sf /usr/share/zoneinfo/something /etc/localtime will set global time. I don't recommend setting globally though - cron + time zones is not fun ;) |
| 15:32 | <bd_> | instead set the TZ env variable in your login scripts |
| 15:32 | <soul9> | yay bd_ |
| 15:32 | <CLorith> | is there soemthign I need to enable for bind to write usefull stuff to it's log ? |
| 15:32 | <CLorith> | Mar 30 15:17:01 Clorith -- MARK -- |
| 15:32 | <bd_> | % grep TZ ~/.zshenv |
| 15:32 | <bd_> | export TZ=US/Eastern |
| 15:32 | <CLorith> | I jsut get laods of those =/ |
| 15:32 | <mwalling> | CLorith: thats not bind, thats syslog |
| 15:33 | <CLorith> | I jsu twent to /var/log/messages hehe |
| 15:33 | <jadoba> | london is utc+1... |
| 15:33 | <soul9> | ok |
| 15:33 | <soul9> | export TZ=Europe/paris worked |
| 15:33 | <soul9> | thx |
| 15:34 | <soul9> | yay |
| 15:35 | <HoopyCat> | GMT was replaced operationally by UTC hella long ago |
| 15:35 | <HoopyCat> | UTC is fixed within +/- 0.9 seconds of UT1 (actual earth spinny time) by applying leap seconds to UTC... but that's getting a little deep |
| 15:35 | <linbot> | New news from forums: I want the GUI on my Ubuntu server in General Discussion <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2920>; |
| 15:40 | <CLorith> | it's official, linux hates me and doesn't wish me to be happy. |
| 15:40 | <CLorith> | well, bind at least |
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| 15:50 | <mwalling> | http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3184 <-- why cant people just rebuild the userspace tools they need? |
| 15:50 | <@caker> | I'm not buying it |
| 15:50 | <mwalling> | grab the source, rebuild the package, upgrade the package to the new one... |
| 15:51 | <@mikegrb> | ! people still use slackware?!?! |
| 15:51 | <mwalling> | or is it just slackware that makes it that easy :) |
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| 15:54 | <CLorith> | haha, mike's online at least :P I love that script |
| 15:54 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 15:54 | <zeroday> | lol |
| 15:54 | <@mikegrb> | roflz |
| 15:54 | <zeroday> | rofl |
| 15:54 | <zeroday> | ckae |
| 15:54 | <@mikegrb> | mmm cake |
| 15:54 | <zeroday> | cake |
| 15:54 | <zeroday> | >.> |
| 15:54 | <zeroday> | <.< |
| 15:54 | <CLorith> | yeayea |
| 15:54 | <CLorith> | chill |
| 15:54 | <zeroday> | what else is there? |
| 15:54 | <zeroday> | triggers that is |
| 15:54 | <CLorith> | slackware ;) |
| 15:55 | <zeroday> | that it? |
| 15:55 | <CLorith> | dunno |
| 15:55 | <JDLSpeedy> | !rr |
| 15:55 | <linbot> | JDLSpeedy: *click* |
| 15:57 | <ang> | you guys just killed the signal/noise ratio :P |
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| 15:59 | <HoopyCat> | huh, my cellphone clock is 18 seconds off. this can mean only one thing: i should probably go outside. |
| 16:01 | <CLorith> | ... |
| 16:01 | <CLorith> | hwo can that mean you need to go outside |
| 16:02 | <mwalling> | because he has so little life that he notices that |
| 16:02 | <CLorith> | good point |
| 16:07 | <HoopyCat> | i have five clocks within my field of view when sitting here, and only two of them agree |
| 16:10 | <Schroeder> | mmm...Ron Paul |
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| 16:14 | <CLorith> | I have...5 as well |
| 16:14 | <CLorith> | and none agree |
| 16:14 | <CLorith> | hehe |
| 16:15 | <HoopyCat> | a man with one watch always knows what time it is... a man with two is never sure |
| 16:16 | <HoopyCat> | anyway, i've been assigned to the combustion engineering team for dinner prep, bbl... |
| 16:16 | * | jadoba is looking for a free subdomain name place similar to co.nr, but not them. anyone have any suggestions? |
| 16:17 | <jadoba> | HoopyCat: a broken clock tells the correct time twice daily |
| 16:19 | <mwalling> | jadoba: dyndns.org? |
| 16:20 | <jadoba> | mwalling: that came to mind |
| 16:20 | <jadoba> | looking for a wide selection of possibilities though |
| 16:20 | <jadoba> | lookscool.com might have what i need |
| 16:23 | <jadoba> | nope... |
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| 16:38 | <jadoba> | mwalling: yeah, found something catchy on dyndns after all... |
| 16:39 | <mwalling> | :) |
| 16:39 | <mwalling> | want a dontlike.us? |
| 16:39 | * | jadoba thinks... |
| 16:39 | <jadoba> | ithinkthey.dontlike.us |
| 16:39 | <jadoba> | terrorists.dontlike.us |
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