| --- | Log | opened Sat Mar 29 00:00:05 2008 |
| 00:00 | <mwalling> | shouldnt the bot be rotating at midnight? |
| 00:00 | <mwalling> | not 23:59? |
| 00:00 | <@caker> | slightly before, I think |
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| 00:01 | <mwalling> | i almost ran ntpdate to check |
| 00:01 | <Peng> | The bot leaves to rotate logs? |
| 00:01 | <mwalling> | Peng: its a special bot |
| 00:02 | <mwalling> | hehe |
| 00:02 | <Peng> | But that means there are 3 seconds every single day where it could miss things. |
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| 00:03 | <mwalling> | oh noes! |
| 00:03 | <Peng> | Is that 99.9999% uptime? |
| 00:03 | <mwalling> | hows the nsa going to keep tabs on us! |
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| 00:06 | <guinea-pig> | man, that's silly |
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| 00:07 | <bd_> | tsk what kind of bot needs to disconnect to rotate logs |
| 00:07 | <bd_> | rename and reopen |
| 00:08 | <mwalling> | 00:01 < mwalling> Peng: its a special bot |
| 00:09 | <internat85> | its the linode bot.. its uber! |
| 00:09 | <Peng> | Or, be like X-Chat! Rename and don't reopen, until someone checks and it hasn't been logging for a week and restarts the bot. |
| 00:09 | <internat85> | u knock the linode bot and you will faith the rathe |
| 00:09 | * | Peng grumbles. |
| 00:10 | <mwalling> | ls |
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| 00:10 | <mwalling> | awe crap |
| 00:11 | <@caker> | cakerspassword |
| 00:11 | <@caker> | WHOOPS |
| 00:11 | <internat85> | ssh root@nova.linode.com |
| 00:11 | <mwalling> | i typed my work passowrd into sametime once...... |
| 00:11 | <internat85> | password: cakerspassword |
| 00:11 | <internat85> | root@nova:# |
| 00:11 | <internat85> | woot! |
| 00:11 | <mwalling> | Host nova.linode.com not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) |
| 00:11 | <mwalling> | failz |
| 00:11 | <internat85> | err |
| 00:12 | <internat85> | hmms |
| 00:12 | <guinea-pig> | don't even |
| 00:13 | <internat85> | i swear it was nova |
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| 00:18 | <Nigel> | caker: so for the xen's we are able to build our own modules, or are they prebuilt? |
| 00:18 | <mwalling> | build yourr own |
| 00:18 | <@caker> | you can build your own, but most stuff is compiled in already |
| 00:18 | <@caker> | linode.com/src/ |
| 00:18 | <mwalling> | http://linode.com/src |
| 00:19 | <Nigel> | ahhh, who needs http://? :P |
| 00:19 | <Nigel> | ditto for www |
| 00:19 | <mwalling> | in Terminal, my link is clickable, caker's is not |
| 00:19 | <@caker> | what? |
| 00:19 | <@caker> | iTerm > Terminal |
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| 00:19 | <mwalling> | baigebox > mac |
| 00:20 | <bd_> | anything X > anything OS X :( |
| 00:21 | <JasonF> | caker: 'bout how long does a migration uml->xen take for a $20 linode |
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| 00:21 | <@caker> | 3-5 min per gig, same DC |
| 00:21 | <@caker> | a fair amount more across datacenters |
| 00:21 | <JasonF> | I wouldn't move dc's anyway :) IP changes are fail. |
| 00:22 | <internat85> | ^^!!! |
| 00:23 | <JasonF> | Why is it that with xen, you can allow module loading, but you couldn't with uml? |
| 00:23 | <bd_> | JasonF: because UML runs the kernel as a regular process in the host. In other words, if you can insert code into a UML kernel, you can run a program on the host |
| 00:23 | <bd_> | which is Bad |
| 00:23 | <bd_> | Xen has better isolation |
| 00:23 | <bd_> | so you can muck with your own domU kernel all you want but you're not getting out |
| 00:28 | <JasonF> | can you just run the uml kernel on the host as a user? |
| 00:28 | <JasonF> | do you'd have stanard process separation and the like |
| 00:28 | <@caker> | yup .. it's just a program |
| 00:28 | <internat85> | yep |
| 00:28 | <bd_> | true, but linux has less than ideal prevention of DoS attacks from user programs :) |
| 00:29 | <internat85> | i run uml under the user uml on my computer :) |
| 00:29 | <bd_> | eg, you wouldn't have the iolimiter anymore, so seek up a storm... |
| 00:29 | <JasonF> | eh, i think it'd be /possible/ to make it all work safely |
| 00:29 | <JasonF> | although i agree with the compromise |
| 00:29 | <bd_> | It's called Xen :D |
| 00:29 | <JasonF> | I just know how xen works a little more than uml |
| 00:29 | <JasonF> | was curious |
| 00:30 | <bd_> | you can actually run UML in UML (or in Xen) if you want to play with it |
| 00:30 | <bd_> | or on your own dev box |
| 00:30 | <bd_> | but paravirt is the way of the future |
| 00:31 | <bd_> | the only question is which hypervisor will win |
| 00:31 | <@caker> | is there any doubt? |
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| 00:31 | <JasonF> | What other hypervisors are there? |
| 00:31 | <bd_> | well, ubuntu's supporting KVM I thought? I don't know if KVM does paravirt though |
| 00:32 | <bd_> | the ones I know of are Xen, KVM (not sure if this does paravirt), lguest (probably not production-ready), vmware |
| 00:32 | <bd_> | technically only Xen is a hypervisor |
| 00:32 | <bd_> | but they're all virtualization technologies |
| 00:32 | <JasonF> | vmware doesn't use the hw stuff tho, does it? |
| 00:32 | <bd_> | not sure |
| 00:33 | <bd_> | it does support pv_ops though |
| 00:33 | <bd_> | they pushed for the standard in the first place in fact |
| 00:33 | <JasonF> | define:pv_ops |
| 00:34 | <@caker> | I'm thinking anything that uses Linux as the hypervisor is going to come out on top, eventually |
| 00:34 | <@caker> | it just Makes Sense |
| 00:34 | <JasonF> | you mean linux kernel-level or what? |
| 00:34 | <JasonF> | I mean, vmware works in linux |
| 00:34 | <internat85> | it does.. i use |
| 00:34 | <internat85> | infact im chatting on a windows vm thats running in vmware, on an ex linode server |
| 00:35 | <bd_> | I suppose, but Xen sounds nice from a theoretical point of view |
| 00:35 | <Battousai> | is it host56? |
| 00:35 | <bd_> | I mean, except for the whole xen has no idea wtf your hardware is and sort of blindly passes it on and hopes for the best, bit. |
| 00:35 | <Battousai> | or was it |
| 00:35 | <internat85> | i dunno id have to look at the box in the garage |
| 00:35 | <@caker> | Battousai: ping host56.linode.com |
| 00:35 | <JasonF> | can you next xens like you can umls |
| 00:35 | <Battousai> | heh |
| 00:36 | <bd_> | JasonF: Not really. |
| 00:36 | <internat85> | i have host 32 |
| 00:36 | <bd_> | You can use hardware emulation but that's cheating :) |
| 00:36 | <bd_> | or well cpu emulation |
| 00:36 | <@caker> | I *think* the hypervisor will run inside an HVM guest |
| 00:36 | <@caker> | right |
| 00:36 | <bd_> | yeah, but that's not really nesting, it's just emulation |
| 00:36 | <bd_> | Xen runs at ring0, dom0/domU at ring1, userspace at ring 3 |
| 00:37 | <bd_> | so ... I guess theoretically you might be able to hack one additional layer in: |
| 00:37 | <bd_> | ring0 - Xen, ring1 - Xen (domU) - ring2 - nested dom0/domU, ring 3 - userspace |
| 00:37 | <bd_> | but Xen certainly doesn't do it out of the box >_> |
| 00:37 | <bd_> | and that'd be the limit |
| 00:37 | <internat85> | bd_: u a bit of a virtualization export? |
| 00:37 | <bd_> | whereas since UML's in ring3 /already/... |
| 00:37 | <internat85> | you do seem to have a hell of a lot of knowledge about it |
| 00:37 | <bd_> | nah, I just follow the odd lkml thread once in a while :) |
| 00:38 | <bd_> | It's a fascinating subject that I've never really had a chance to work with hands-on :P |
| 00:40 | <JasonF> | you could do uml under xen though, couldn't you? |
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| 00:40 | <bd_> | sure |
| 00:41 | <@tasaro> | internat85: the host # written on your box is not accurate |
| 00:42 | * | JasonF probably wins the "how many ex hosts" contest |
| 00:42 | <internat85> | im looking at the host sticker on the front of the server |
| 00:42 | <JasonF> | we have 8 in our office |
| 00:42 | <@tasaro> | ah, ok |
| 00:42 | <JasonF> | 4 of the cheapest + 2 of the most expensive for icontact.com |
| 00:42 | <JasonF> | or did we get 5 of the cheap ones for us? |
| 00:42 | <JasonF> | I don't remember. |
| 00:42 | <internat85> | when i said box, i meant the server :) its in a wooden rack in the garage :) |
| 00:42 | <JasonF> | <3 ex linode hosts |
| 00:42 | <@tasaro> | JasonF: 4+2 |
| 00:43 | <JasonF> | and then 2 for preation |
| 00:43 | <JasonF> | they're in my rack, so I count them |
| 00:43 | <@tasaro> | someone else purchased 6 or 8, including a special request for host9 :P |
| 00:43 | <JasonF> | hah |
| 00:43 | <JasonF> | The new ones are supernice |
| 00:44 | <JasonF> | although I've said some nasty things about you crazy linode people while searching frantically for HDD screws |
| 00:44 | <JasonF> | "Why couldn't they have just put the %@$#%@# screws in the case" |
| 00:44 | <JasonF> | haha |
| 00:44 | <@caker> | you shoulda said you needed some .. we have billionz |
| 00:44 | <@caker> | doesn't everybody? |
| 00:44 | <JasonF> | dude, we used to have billions |
| 00:45 | <JasonF> | until we had 6*3 + 2 |
| 00:45 | <JasonF> | er |
| 00:45 | <JasonF> | until we had 6*3 + 2*4 drives to install in linode servers |
| 00:45 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 00:45 | <internat85> | lol |
| 00:45 | <JasonF> | that's like ... 26 drives |
| 00:45 | <@tasaro> | !calc (6*3 + 2*4)*4 |
| 00:45 | <@linbot> | tasaro: ((6 * 3) + (2 * 4)) * 4 = 104 |
| 00:45 | <internat85> | i have boxes of scripts somewhere |
| 00:45 | <@caker> | ew will sprinkle any new hosts we sell off with screws from now on |
| 00:45 | <JasonF> | 26 * 4 per drive |
| 00:45 | <@tasaro> | 104 screws! |
| 00:45 | <JasonF> | yeah, over 100 |
| 00:46 | <JasonF> | we switched to only using 3 screws per drive halfway in |
| 00:46 | <JasonF> | and we still ran out multiple time |
| 00:46 | <mwalling> | heh |
| 00:46 | <JasonF> | we had to raid our "add disks to the san" screw bag |
| 00:46 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 00:46 | <internat85> | lol |
| 00:46 | <internat85> | we raid the hdds in our old netapp filer when we need shit |
| 00:46 | <JasonF> | they weren't even the right threading, i think |
| 00:47 | <@caker> | har |
| 00:47 | <JasonF> | we were having all sorts of trouble screwing them in |
| 00:47 | <@tasaro> | caker: i don't use any screws when i build hosts |
| 00:47 | <JasonF> | superglue! |
| 00:47 | <Nigel> | ty tom, gonna do migration soon |
| 00:47 | <bd_> | corkboard and duct tape :3 |
| 00:47 | <@tasaro> | JasonF: don't laugh - we have suggested superglue before |
| 00:47 | <internat85> | so.. can i request that i dont migrate to a host that tasaro has built... |
| 00:47 | <@tasaro> | for those pesky louse cables |
| 00:47 | <JasonF> | heh |
| 00:47 | <JasonF> | I know this |
| 00:48 | <JasonF> | I stripped out enough scres due to the fact our san screws weren't threaded right |
| 00:48 | <mwalling> | wtf is with SATA anyway? those cables are wobbly POS IMO |
| 00:48 | <@tasaro> | internat85: i'm afraid that isn't possible |
| 00:48 | <internat85> | ok fine |
| 00:48 | <JasonF> | that I'm hoping I'm not the one who has to replace any failed disks should one fail |
| 00:48 | <JasonF> | that could SUCK |
| 00:48 | <internat85> | ill cancel my contracts please kthx |
| 00:48 | <JasonF> | although having 2 VM servers in the colo with 10k drives in raid 10 |
| 00:48 | <JasonF> | is tasty |
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| 00:50 | <@caker> | HIGH SPEED SERIAL PORTS |
| 00:51 | <mendel> | so i'm nearly done migrating everything, and i have to say: i should've done this years ago |
| 00:51 | <mendel> | everything is so fast and so easy |
| 00:51 | <mwalling> | caker: your mac doesnt even have those i bet |
| 00:51 | <@caker> | my mac is magic |
| 00:52 | <mwalling> | oh oh, its magic! |
| 00:52 | <mwalling> | you know.... |
| 00:53 | <mwalling> | no help? |
| 00:53 | <@linbot> | *crickets* |
| 00:55 | <@tasaro> | this is our fastest linode ever |
| 00:56 | <@tasaro> | bam |
| 00:59 | <JasonF> | HIGH SPEED SERIAL PORTS? |
| 00:59 | <JasonF> | You mean Firewire? |
| 00:59 | <internat85> | sata |
| 00:59 | <internat85> | wait |
| 00:59 | <internat85> | usb |
| 01:00 | <mwalling> | RS-232! |
| 01:00 | <JasonF> | SAS! |
| 01:00 | <mwalling> | Dallas 1-Wire! |
| 01:00 | <iggy> | carrier pigeon |
| 01:00 | <JasonF> | WTF is that, anyway? |
| 01:00 | <internat85> | smoke signals |
| 01:00 | <JasonF> | I always see Dallas 1 wire in the linux kernel config |
| 01:00 | <JasonF> | but wtf is it |
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| 01:01 | <JasonF> | are you too effing poor to afford a second or third wire |
| 01:01 | <iggy> | google knows all |
| 01:01 | <internat85> | althought it does say 1 wire (+ grounding) |
| 01:01 | <mwalling> | JasonF: google for "dallas 1 wire" gives you a good idea |
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| 01:02 | <JasonF> | pfft, they just need to use 12 wires |
| 01:02 | <JasonF> | er |
| 01:02 | <JasonF> | 9 wires |
| 01:02 | <JasonF> | DB9! SERIAL! |
| 01:02 | <JasonF> | I want some SERIAL with MILK and SUGAR |
| 01:02 | <JasonF> | mmm serial |
| 01:18 | <spasmface> | anyone know if theres something like gotomypc that i can host on my vps ? |
| 01:19 | <spasmface> | i need a remoting solution to connect to my office computer |
| 01:20 | <JasonF> | you could just install VNC on the office computer |
| 01:20 | <JasonF> | and have the sysadmin poke a hole inthe firewall for you |
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| 01:21 | <mwalling> | vnc and openvpn |
| 01:21 | <mwalling> | boom, no firewall holes needed |
| 01:21 | <iggy> | ssh tunneling |
| 01:21 | <spasmface> | i cant ssh tunnel, port 22 blocked |
| 01:22 | <iggy> | jeebus |
| 01:22 | <spasmface> | mwalling: whats openvpn, could i use it with say freenx ? |
| 01:22 | <Eman> | run ssh on port 443? |
| 01:23 | <spasmface> | whats that, https? |
| 01:23 | <Eman> | yes |
| 01:23 | <Eman> | its often left completely open |
| 01:23 | <spasmface> | ill try it on monday |
| 01:24 | <spasmface> | if not i can tunnel my ssh thru metropipe, which is what im doing now |
| 01:24 | <spasmface> | i mean use a proxy |
| 01:24 | <spasmface> | then what do i put on my vps? |
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| 01:39 | <internat85> | http://xkcd.com/149/ |
| 01:39 | <@tasaro> | !avail |
| 01:39 | <@linbot> | tasaro: Linode360 - 35, Linode540 - 23, Linode720 - 21, Linode1080 - 10, Linode1440 - 10 |
| 01:42 | <spasmface> | lmao internat85 |
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| 02:01 | <Nigel> | hmmm not as smooth as I would have hoped |
| 02:02 | <Nigel> | caker: whats the Xen way of doing: http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=764 |
| 02:04 | <@caker> | no difference |
| 02:05 | <Nigel> | hmmmm |
| 02:05 | <Nigel> | okay, well somethings crazy with my setup |
| 02:06 | <Nigel> | I had a fake networking device 'vpn0', Iget http://paste.linode.com/645 when it starts up |
| 02:06 | <Nigel> | I swear I used that method to create it |
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| 03:10 | <Nigel> | hmmm, I guess Xenify Distro isn't a good option to use :P |
| 03:11 | <bd_> | ? |
| 03:11 | <Nigel> | the new 2.6.24 xen kernels |
| 03:11 | <bd_> | why is xenify a bad idea? |
| 03:12 | <Nigel> | Looks like xenify resets inittab to use tty1 instead of hvc1 for the console |
| 03:12 | <bd_> | oh, it switched back? |
| 03:12 | <bd_> | tsk, tsk, caker :) |
| 03:12 | <Nigel> | unless caker wants to fix it in the 10 secs :P |
| 03:14 | <Nigel> | I was lucky I remembered tj and caker discussing the whole hvc1 thing not long ago, prevented me from asking a silly question :P |
| 03:14 | <internat85> | by earlier u mean this mroning :P |
| 03:14 | <bd_> | Nigel: does /dev/tty1 exist in udev in 2.6.2x? |
| 03:15 | <bd_> | or in /sys/class/tty if you're not using udev |
| 03:15 | <Nigel> | No idea |
| 03:15 | <bd_> | can you check? if you're running it right now... |
| 03:15 | <bd_> | I'm still on .18 |
| 03:16 | <Nigel> | sorry, just rebooting my node again |
| 03:17 | <bd_> | if tty1 doesn't exist, then a udev rule like: |
| 03:17 | <bd_> | KERNEL=="hvc1", SYMLINK+="xenconsole" |
| 03:17 | <bd_> | KERNEL=="tty1", SYMLINK+="xenconsole" |
| 03:17 | <bd_> | might work |
| 03:18 | <Nigel> | yeah, but unless i'm mistaken, all xenify distro does is alter the config files like inittab, so, I might as well fix it once and not worry about it |
| 03:18 | <bd_> | ooh! |
| 03:18 | <bd_> | KERNEL=="tty1", PROGRAM{[ ! -e /sys/class/tty/hvc1 ]}, SYMLINK+="xenconsole" |
| 03:18 | <Nigel> | just like the updatedb option, edits the config file at boot time to make sure it doesn't get croned |
| 03:18 | <bd_> | KERNEL=="hvc1", SYMLINK+="xenconsole" |
| 03:19 | <bd_> | Nigel: I'm thinking of how to fix the config helper :) |
| 03:20 | <Nigel> | all caker needs to do, is check if someone is running a >2.6.20 kernel and use a different change to the inittab file |
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| 03:21 | <bd_> | I feel such helpers should minimize such dynamic changes |
| 03:22 | <Nigel> | I'm just wondering if I need a boot script to detect if /lib/modules/whatever/ exists and if not create and run depmod |
| 03:22 | <bd_> | you don't need it |
| 03:22 | <bd_> | you might get logspam otherwise |
| 03:22 | <bd_> | just do mkdir /lib/modules/`uname -r` -p; depmod -a |
| 03:22 | <bd_> | but it's not harmful or anything if it's not there |
| 03:23 | <Nigel> | no, it causes logspam if it isn't there, a silent bootscript is going to be more effective, and thats what I was actually refering to |
| 03:24 | <bd_> | you mean a config helper, or...? |
| 03:24 | <Nigel> | no, I'm talking about an init script |
| 03:24 | <bd_> | oh |
| 03:24 | <Nigel> | DIY |
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| 03:38 | <spasmface> | okay i uploaded all these files with vsftpd, and they have no defualt permissions? making 403 forbidden |
| 03:40 | <spasmface> | i got to the end of the conf and i cant see anything about it |
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| 03:52 | <spasmface> | oh its local_umask=0022 |
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| 04:08 | <danco> | so I'm trying to calculate the md5 hash of a file, but I don't have the md5 command installed apparently. Anyone know how to get it in Debian Etch? |
| 04:09 | <internat85> | !apt-file md5sum |
| 04:09 | <internat85> | apt-get install apt-file |
| 04:09 | <internat85> | apt-file update |
| 04:09 | <internat85> | apt-file search md5sum |
| 04:09 | <internat85> | go go go |
| 04:10 | <danco> | thanks, internat85 |
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| 04:57 | <internat85> | hey caker, did u get a laywer to write your TOS/AUP or did you write it yourself? |
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| 05:49 | <Nigel_> | internat85: i'd say a lawyer did |
| 05:50 | <internat85> | i need me sum tos's |
| 05:50 | <Nigel_> | I think you run too much risk if you DIF |
| 05:50 | <Nigel_> | *DIY |
| 05:50 | <internat85> | :( |
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| 06:41 | <path-> | apt-get install tos |
| 06:42 | <internat85> | hahaha |
| 06:42 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 06:42 | <internat85> | lol |
| 06:42 | <anaoum> | i dont get it? |
| 06:42 | <anaoum> | term of service |
| 06:43 | <path-> | they were wondering if caker wrote his tos or if a lawyer did |
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| 06:44 | <anaoum> | hehe, both my hosts have Host Load: idle |
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| 06:54 | <Talman> | * internat85: You can find sample TOSes on the internet * |
| 07:14 | <path-> | in the past few days, i seem to have constant ssh login attempts |
| 07:14 | <path-> | waste my bandwidth |
| 07:15 | <internat85> | oh know |
| 07:16 | <internat85> | that 1mb of bandiwdth from 2 days worth of attacks will no doubt hurt you |
| 07:16 | <path-> | :) |
| 07:17 | <Hobbsee> | path- run ssh on a different port? |
| 07:26 | <Peng> | Run it on FTP's port! That'll confuse 'em! |
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| 07:44 | <anaoum> | is this normal on ubuntu 7.10: |
| 07:44 | <anaoum> | modprobe: FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.18.8-domU-linode7/modules.dep: No such file or directory |
| 07:49 | <path-> | normal for xen migration |
| 07:51 | <path-> | http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3156&view=previous&sid=ccc1173963e042937c6e3464a34d542e |
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| 07:53 | <internat85> | man im worried bout this xen migration tonight now |
| 07:53 | <Majes> | how does linode handle overage on BW? |
| 07:54 | <internat85> | umm |
| 07:54 | <internat85> | they charge.. but im pretty sure i remember caker saying there pretty reasonable about it |
| 07:54 | <internat85> | but im not an admin so take my word with a grain of salt |
| 07:54 | <Majes> | ah cool thats what I was asking, if they just bill ya or shut it down |
| 07:55 | <Majes> | added a node on like the 15th, it was prorated to 50%, sitting on 49% and I don't want it to do down :) |
| 07:55 | <@tasaro> | Majes: it's a soft cap - and we do't shut anyone down |
| 07:56 | <@tasaro> | we'd open a ticket first if there was a problem |
| 07:56 | <Majes> | ok, so I should just use it and expect an invice then :) |
| 07:57 | <@tasaro> | bandwidth overages aren't automated.. if you go a few GB over, we don't bother |
| 07:57 | <Majes> | oh, wel it will be very close by the rest time , thanks :) |
| 07:57 | <@tasaro> | if it's a substantial amount, every month, we'll open a ticket |
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| 07:57 | <Majes> | gotcha, thanks |
| 08:00 | <Majes> | while I got ya tasaro, how do I get an account on the forums? |
| 08:01 | <internat85> | register? |
| 08:01 | <internat85> | hey tasaro, what time is it out your way now? |
| 08:02 | <Majes> | an't register, seems to be httacces locked |
| 08:02 | <internat85> | yes |
| 08:02 | <internat85> | read the message in the htaccess form |
| 08:02 | <@tasaro> | 8:00 AM |
| 08:02 | <internat85> | it says what the username/password is |
| 08:02 | <@tasaro> | Majes: read it |
| 08:03 | <internat85> | anti spam measure |
| 08:03 | <Majes> | oooo |
| 08:03 | <internat85> | thanks tom |
| 08:03 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 08:03 | <Majes> | lol |
| 08:07 | <internat85> | T minus 54 minutes til migration |
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| 08:32 | <internat85> | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| 08:32 | <internat85> | /dev/ubda 22G 11G 11G 51% / |
| 08:32 | <internat85> | there we go.. that knocked usage down a bit |
| 08:32 | <internat85> | got rid of a torrents folder, and my old apt cache |
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| 08:59 | <anaoum> | andrew@b:~$ sudo hdparm -tT /dev/xvda |
| 08:59 | <anaoum> | /dev/xvda: |
| 08:59 | <anaoum> | Timing cached reads: 1358 MB in 2.00 seconds = 678.00 MB/sec |
| 08:59 | <anaoum> | Timing buffered disk reads: 120 MB in 3.05 seconds = 39.30 MB/sec |
| 09:00 | <anaoum> | that really doesnt seem right |
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| 09:03 | <internat85> | and ladys and gents were off.. the migration is about to begin |
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| 09:13 | <internat85> | damm image resize taking forever |
| 09:15 | <Hobbsee> | it does that, yes |
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| 09:18 | <internat85> | it possibly would have been quicker to just migrate it as is |
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| 09:31 | <internat85> | so how long does a resize typically take? |
| 09:33 | <mwalling> | http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=14588#14588 <-- cant he just rebuild the userspace tools? |
| 09:33 | <internat85> | and of course as soon as i say that the damm thing finishes |
| 09:49 | <internat85> | *sigh* 4mb a minute :( |
| 09:50 | <internat85> | eerr, second |
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| 10:05 | <internat85> | is the migration wizard smart enough to not do a binary migration for the swap partition? |
| 10:05 | <tjfontaine> | huh? |
| 10:06 | <internat85> | well the swap partition doesnt need to be migrated does it |
| 10:06 | <internat85> | it just needs to be created at the other end |
| 10:06 | <tjfontaine> | there's no way to be sure someone is really using it as swap :) |
| 10:06 | <internat85> | so im asking if the migration wizard actually does a transfer of the swap image data or if it just recreates it |
| 10:06 | <internat85> | well there is, cause its marked as swap |
| 10:06 | <internat85> | its FS type in the LPM is swap |
| 10:07 | <tjfontaine> | but that doesn't mean they didn't reformat in the linode |
| 10:07 | <internat85> | well then there stupid :P |
| 10:07 | <mwalling> | they're |
| 10:07 | <tjfontaine> | yes well heh |
| 10:07 | <internat85> | it should be marked as raw if theyre going to do that |
| 10:08 | <tjfontaine> | sometimes you don't have the chance when you absolutely need space over memory in a short period of time |
| 10:08 | <internat85> | what is it with people and correcting my grammar and spelling. Seriously. if i wanted to spell and type properly id be a secretary |
| 10:08 | <tjfontaine> | w/o a reboot |
| 10:08 | <internat85> | i have an IT degree.. It should be assumed that i cannot and will not type and spell properly |
| 10:08 | <internat85> | Deal with it. |
| 10:08 | <tjfontaine> | pwnz |
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| 10:20 | <@caker> | !coffee |
| 10:20 | * | linbot dispenses coffee |
| 10:20 | <mwalling> | mmmm coffee |
| 10:20 | <lolo> | Heys Guys, My linode seem to average 90% CPU since I installed mysql on it....but I am not using mysql that much.....when I do a top the mysql process seems to take 15%-20% of CPU....is that normal? why the difference between top and the linode dashboard? |
| 10:20 | <tjfontaine> | yum |
| 10:20 | * | mwalling makes some non-binary coffee |
| 10:20 | <mwalling> | something about the D->A conversion ruins the taste |
| 10:22 | <mwalling> | couple weeks ago there was discussion re: jabberd's... what was the outcome? |
| 10:22 | <mwalling> | (i just had my last straw with talk.google.com) |
| 10:22 | <@caker> | entropy |
| 10:23 | <mwalling> | *smack* |
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| 10:29 | <internat85> | i hope a resize from 11g to 22g is quicker then the shrink was.. |
| 10:29 | <internat85> | 44 minutes the shring took |
| 10:29 | <internat85> | shrink* |
| 10:33 | <TofuMatt> | If you're running a webhosting service on your VPS, and a bunch of customers want SSL, how can I go about getting the extra IPs? |
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| 10:35 | <@tasaro> | TofuMatt: how many are we talking? |
| 10:35 | <@tasaro> | open a ticket |
| 10:35 | <TofuMatt> | Well, for now, just a few. I've just started offering people I do design/dev for hosting. |
| 10:36 | <TofuMatt> | But it could get into the double digits quickly |
| 10:36 | <TofuMatt> | *high |
| 10:36 | <TofuMatt> | Ok, so as long as I make it clear I'm not taking 20 IPs for *myself* I can get them? |
| 10:37 | <tjfontaine> | that's a lot of ips |
| 10:38 | <tsp> | hopefully everyone will move over to IPV6 eventually :) |
| 10:38 | <TofuMatt> | yeah :) |
| 10:38 | <TofuMatt> | Yeah... but every SSL site will need one for now :'( |
| 10:38 | <@tasaro> | i believe the policy is that you're ok, as long as there are certs on them (not self-signed) |
| 10:38 | <@tasaro> | open a ticket -- will double-check w/ caker |
| 10:39 | <TofuMatt> | tasaro: Cool. That makes sense. |
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| 10:39 | * | tjfontaine eyes weasel |
| 10:39 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 10:39 | <TofuMatt> | lol |
| 10:40 | <mwalling> | weasels have eaten our phone system |
| 10:41 | <internat85> | oh please tell me my linodes not being stupid |
| 10:41 | <internat85> | somethings fubar with it |
| 10:42 | <internat85> | its having issues with the network by the looks of things |
| 10:42 | <internat85> | now if it would just hurry up and get to the login prompt so i could look |
| 10:43 | <internat85> | *sighs* |
| 10:44 | <mwalling> | udev |
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| 10:44 | <mwalling> | i'm going to prematurly and probably inacuratly blame udev |
| 10:44 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 10:44 | <internat85> | lol |
| 10:44 | <internat85> | maybe |
| 10:45 | <internat85> | if the mac changed it might have.. |
| 10:45 | <internat85> | however im still waiting for the god damm thing to get past all the services that are stuck looking for the interwebs |
| 10:45 | <@caker> | it shouldn't have unless you added a public IP recently |
| 10:45 | <internat85> | like before i migrated ;) |
| 10:46 | <internat85> | i added a public ip this morning, but never rebooted |
| 10:46 | <internat85> | private* |
| 10:46 | <internat85> | havnt done anything with public though |
| 10:46 | <internat85> | *sigh* guess im gonna kill it, and go in in single user mode |
| 10:47 | <tjfontaine> | woo, solved this weeks cartalk puzzler |
| 10:49 | <internat85> | interesting |
| 10:49 | <internat85> | i boot in in single user and networking etc came up fine.. |
| 10:51 | <internat85> | this seems better |
| 10:51 | <internat85> | root |
| 10:51 | <internat85> | hmms |
| 10:51 | <internat85> | password: |
| 10:51 | <internat85> | thats the 2nd time today ive done that |
| 10:55 | <internat85> | well thingsdefnatly seem to be responding quicker |
| 10:56 | <mwalling> | how the hell do you either get mysql to listen on tcp/3006 or get java's odbc to talk to the socket? |
| 10:56 | <internat85> | edit /etc/mysql/my.cnf |
| 10:56 | <internat85> | and take out skip-networking |
| 10:56 | <internat85> | or bind localhost or whatevers there |
| 10:56 | <mwalling> | i did that |
| 10:56 | <mwalling> | hmm |
| 10:56 | <internat85> | did you restart? |
| 10:56 | <mwalling> | ... |
| 10:56 | <mwalling> | *slap* |
| 10:57 | <internat85> | you didnt reload mysql? |
| 10:57 | <@caker> | did you reboot all your computers, including your router and modem? |
| 10:57 | <tjfontaine> | heh |
| 10:57 | <mwalling> | internat85: of course i did |
| 10:57 | <internat85> | Hello, have you turned it off and on again? |
| 10:57 | <@caker> | try removing the power from the modem for 2 minutes |
| 10:57 | <cruxeternus> | Did you plug the power cord in? |
| 10:57 | <mwalling> | caker: work as a road runner phone jockey in a previous life? |
| 10:57 | <tjfontaine> | is the computer on |
| 10:57 | <@caker> | :) |
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| 10:59 | <chesty> | tjfontaine: i don't know, I can't see. all the lights went out about the same time the computer stopped working |
| 10:59 | <mwalling> | # To allow outside connections to the database comment out the next line. |
| 10:59 | <mwalling> | # If you don't need incoming network connections, then leave the line |
| 10:59 | <mwalling> | # uncommented to improve system security. |
| 10:59 | <mwalling> | SKIP="--skip-networking" |
| 10:59 | <mwalling> | FSCKING PAT |
| 10:59 | <tjfontaine> | chesty: heh |
| 11:00 | <tjfontaine> | chesty: actually we had a power outage in my town, I was listening to the CB and a woman was outraged that she couldn't get her digital cable box to turn on |
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| 11:06 | <internat85> | ok that migration was successful... Im going to bed. Thanks all |
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| 11:44 | <logan> | any drupal users here? |
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| 11:47 | <tjfontaine> | why? |
| 11:48 | <logan> | I'm new to linode, trying to move a drupal site over from my old host, and having a problem |
| 11:48 | <tjfontaine> | what seems to be the issue? |
| 11:49 | <logan> | have clean urls working, but not for some pages, like login and contact |
| 11:49 | <logan> | when I go to those, pages, I get the error message: |
| 11:49 | <logan> | Error: Could not create directory: /home/content |
| 11:50 | <logan> | /home/content was the beginning of the path to my site on my old host, but I can't find where it's left in the drupal settings |
| 11:50 | <tjfontaine> | seems like your config doesn't match the new paths, or you don't have proper permissions |
| 11:50 | <tjfontaine> | or both |
| 11:50 | <logan> | I changed the path in settings.php, and most pages are working, but a few like login and contact are throwing up this error |
| 11:50 | <logan> | I'm wondering whether it has to do with caching |
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| 11:51 | <zeroday> | might be in the database |
| 11:52 | <logan> | hmmm, any idea where to check? |
| 11:53 | <zeroday> | export the db to a sql file and just search in that, thats the easiest way I know |
| 11:53 | <logan> | good idea, I'll try that |
| 11:59 | <logan> | it's only in watchdog entries in the db, which shouldn't be causing this problem |
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| 12:10 | <logan> | seems the problem occurs exactly for the pages with drupal forms |
| 12:12 | <zeroday> | whats the error? |
| 12:13 | <logan> | for pages with drupal (5.3) forms, I get a blank screen except for Error: Could not create directory: /home/content (/home/content was the beginning of the path on my old host) |
| 12:13 | <logan> | for all other pages, everything is fine |
| 12:14 | <zeroday> | im 99% sure that /home/content is in the db somewhere |
| 12:14 | <zeroday> | I had a similar problem with wordpress |
| 12:14 | <logan> | it is, but only in watchdog entries |
| 12:14 | <zeroday> | it stored uploaded with an abs path |
| 12:14 | <zeroday> | hmmm |
| 12:15 | <logan> | I don't really know how drupal handles forms, reading the api now |
| 12:16 | <zeroday> | afk |
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| 12:26 | <djweezy> | hello |
| 12:27 | <tjfontaine> | hi |
| 12:27 | <djweezy> | does anyone here have a promotional code for purchasing a linode? |
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| 12:32 | <mendel> | the only promotion on right now is the disk-space-for-annual-payment ... one. |
| 12:32 | <mendel> | Heh |
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| 12:49 | <simlun> | hey, I'm about to configure FireHOL, and it whines about a missing kernel .config file (I read about it in the forums also). Should I get the .config from the linode.com/src archive? |
| 12:51 | <tjfontaine> | do you have a /proc/config.gz ? |
| 12:51 | <simlun> | oh yea |
| 12:51 | <simlun> | dumb startup script.. :P |
| 12:54 | <simlun> | thanks tjfontaine :) |
| 12:55 | <tjfontaine> | np |
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