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| 00:18 | <@linbot> | New news from forums: Transferring Domains? in General Discussion <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3179>; |
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| 00:29 | <Nigel> | you know, Linode remindme a lot of my current ISP.... |
| 00:29 | <Nigel> | new features, free upgrades etc |
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| 00:49 | <spasm> | hello |
| 00:49 | <Grant> | Hi there |
| 00:50 | <spasm> | i dont think i can ask this wihtout soundling liek a complete noob |
| 00:50 | <spasm> | basically ive moved to linode from a vps, setup lighttpd, php5 an mysql, now i would like to transfer my domains across |
| 00:50 | <spasm> | i mean from a shared host* |
| 00:51 | <bd_> | spasm: linode isn't a registrar, just point your domains at linode's DNS servers and set up a zone in linode's DNS manager |
| 00:51 | <bd_> | using your existing registrar |
| 00:51 | <spasm> | im looking in the dns manager, but i have no idea hwta im doing with zones, i have these authroization codes from my shared host for each domain |
| 00:51 | <spasm> | okay |
| 00:51 | <bd_> | spasm: authorization codes are for moving to a different registrar |
| 00:51 | <bd_> | if your current registrar is your old host |
| 00:51 | <spasm> | thats what i would like to do |
| 00:52 | <bd_> | you might not actually have to transfer right now |
| 00:52 | <bd_> | (and transferring /always/ costs a fee) |
| 00:52 | <bd_> | just plug in ns1.linode.com and ns2.linode.com as the nameservers |
| 00:52 | <bd_> | (in your old host) |
| 00:52 | <bd_> | and in linode, set up an A record for www. and (blank) pointing to your linode's IP |
| 00:52 | <bd_> | and a MX record pointing to (yourdomain) |
| 00:52 | <spasm> | yep, i getcha, then do something to this effect |
| 00:52 | <spasm> | http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/howto-lighttpd-web-server-setting-up-virtual-hosting.html |
| 00:53 | <bd_> | I guess. I use my linode for things other than web hosting, mostly :) |
| 00:53 | <bd_> | afk a bit |
| 00:53 | <spasm> | thanks bd |
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| 00:54 | <lucca> | seeing lossage and high latency between level3 and telia (on the way into HE.net) |
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| 00:56 | <iggy> | lucca: if it doesn't clear up, file a ticket so the linode guys can bitch upstream |
| 00:56 | <@linbot> | New news from forums: . in General Discussion <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3179>; |
| 00:57 | <Battousai> | interesting topic |
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| 00:59 | <spasm> | i couldnt delete it and the above resolved my problem |
| 00:59 | <Battousai> | no need for excuses |
| 00:59 | <Battousai> | first person to quote it for truth gets a free cookie |
| 01:02 | <spasm> | ? |
| 01:05 | <spasm> | exit |
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| 01:11 | <jhulten> | evening |
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| 01:16 | <anaoum> | anyone know where i can get a solaris vps? |
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| 01:18 | <Hobbsee> | anaoum: google? |
| 01:19 | <anaoum> | i couldnt find any good places |
| 01:19 | <anaoum> | i have spent an hour looking |
| 01:19 | <anaoum> | have you tried googling it yourself/ |
| 01:20 | <anaoum> | its not that easy to find |
| 01:21 | <anaoum> | ffs why isnt my shift key working |
| 01:21 | <anaoum> | 11 |
| 01:21 | <anaoum> | arghh |
| 01:22 | <chesty> | I HAVE THE OPPOSITE PROBLEM |
| 01:22 | <Hobbsee> | anaoum: i'm not having your problem |
| 01:23 | <Hobbsee> | http://www.google.com.au/search?q=solaris+vps&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a seems to find a lot of hits |
| 01:23 | <anaoum> | it may say 169,000 results for solaris vps |
| 01:24 | <anaoum> | but those results arent seeming to give names of companies that sell solaris vps |
| 01:24 | <Hobbsee> | 1,2,7 look valid |
| 01:26 | <anaoum> | meh, let me rephrase my question then |
| 01:26 | <anaoum> | anyone know where i can get a good, reliable 7 cheap solaris vps? |
| 01:26 | <anaoum> | :) |
| 01:27 | <anaoum> | there must exist a place like linode but for solaris |
| 01:31 | <bd_> | Solaris' xen support is fairly recent I think |
| 01:31 | <internat85> | there is support for solaris vps? |
| 01:31 | <internat85> | isnt that what zones is for? |
| 01:31 | <bd_> | (this is why the xen beta should support custom kernels...) |
| 01:31 | <bd_> | http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/xen/ |
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| 04:22 | <internat85> | oi mwalling! |
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| 04:34 | <fifo_> | On the linode.com site there used to be a graphic that displayed the linode network setup/backbones. I can't seem to find it again. Anyone know where it is. |
| 04:37 | <Nigel> | there is a diagram on the homepage |
| 04:39 | <fifo_> | I really don't see it |
| 04:40 | <Nigel> | neither |
| 04:40 | <Nigel> | apart from the rough diagram on the homepage that is |
| 04:42 | <fifo_> | You remember what I'm talking about? |
| 04:42 | <Nigel> | Yeah I do |
| 04:42 | <Nigel> | And tbh, it was great |
| 04:42 | <fifo_> | Yes |
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| 04:43 | <Nigel> | mikegrb: I want the diagram back! |
| 04:43 | <Nigel> | tbh, it was one of the things that convinced me over a year and a half ago |
| 04:44 | <fifo_> | It used to be on: http://www.linode.com/products/network.cfm |
| 04:44 | <fifo_> | which redirects to why.cfm |
| 04:45 | <Nigel> | fifo_: thats the one yeah |
| 04:47 | <fifo_> | Nigel: http://web.archive.org/web/20070216180855/www.linode.com/images/theplanet/theplanet.jpg |
| 04:50 | <Nigel> | wow, the old site brings back memories :P |
| 04:51 | <Nigel> | haha, back then it was Linode 128, now it's Linode 360 |
| 04:56 | <rick111> | morning friends |
| 04:59 | <Nigel> | I seem to recall Linode 100 when I signed up |
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| 06:18 | <LanceHaig> | morning anyone here use virtualmin on a linode? |
| 06:21 | <jadoba> | LanceHaig: expalin? |
| 06:21 | <LanceHaig> | jadoba: sorry I just wanted to find out if anyone has done this and what is the best os for it that is available on linode |
| 06:22 | <LanceHaig> | I was thinking centos5 |
| 06:22 | <LanceHaig> | but was not sure |
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| 06:23 | * | jadoba just woke up, thought LanceHaig said "virtualization on their linode" |
| 06:24 | <LanceHaig> | :-) |
| 06:24 | <LanceHaig> | that happens to me too |
| 06:24 | <jadoba> | happens to everyone, i am sure |
| 06:29 | * | jadoba goes to work! |
| 06:29 | <internat85> | u can do virtualiztion on ur linode |
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| 06:46 | <mwalling> | internat85: morning |
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| 06:46 | <internat85> | evening :) |
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| 07:01 | <mwalling> | http://www.lafferty.ca/2008/03/27/dreamhost-a-comedy-of-errors/ |
| 07:01 | <mwalling> | heh |
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| 07:12 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 07:12 | <internat85> | lol interesting site |
| 07:22 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 07:22 | <internat85> | yeah i use dreamhost for my backups LOL.. Rsync my linode nightly to dreamhost |
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| 07:30 | <tsp> | amazon s3++ |
| 07:31 | <internat85> | yeah but its not a proper linux box that u can rdiff to |
| 07:33 | <tsp> | You'd trust dreamhost with your data? |
| 07:34 | <internat85> | touche |
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| 07:34 | <internat85> | i only have my backups there |
| 07:34 | <internat85> | but you do have a point |
| 07:35 | <internat85> | i havnt ever had data issues with them though |
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| 07:35 | <spasmface> | spasm@robotwonderpants:/etc/lighttpd$ 2008-03-28 07:33:44: (mod_accesslog.c.514) opening access-log |
| 07:35 | <spasmface> | failed: Permission denied /home/jarradhope/logs/access.log |
| 07:36 | <spasmface> | is there anyway to give lighttpd access to other user's files ? orr how else should i be setting up lighttpd and my ftp |
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| 08:54 | <@linbot> | New news from forums: Monitoring packages? in Feature Request/Bug Report <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3154>; |
| 08:55 | <mwalling> | sniped |
| 08:57 | * | mikegrb snipes mwalling |
| 09:02 | <scott> | gah |
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| 09:42 | <@linbot> | New news from forums: Server monitoring offer for Linode members in General Discussion <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3177>; |
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| 10:26 | <Xenofox> | Excuse my ignorance, but if i had a second linode, and i wanted linode1 to be able to write files to linode2's drive, what software package would i need to be able to do this |
| 10:27 | <path_> | you want to mount the filesystem of one linode on another, or do you want to copy or backup files to another? |
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| 10:32 | <@caker> | backuping |
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| 10:32 | <@caker> | SYNTAX ERROR |
| 10:33 | <@caker> | -ENOSYS |
| 10:33 | <LanceHaig> | just want to say WOW!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 10:33 | <LanceHaig> | I should have come to you guys SOOO LOOng ago |
| 10:33 | <@caker> | to create a backup, first you must back up |
| 10:34 | <@caker> | to create a setup, first you must set up |
| 10:34 | <iggy> | /topic Welcome to English 101 | Professor caker emeritus teaching |
| 10:44 | <Xenofox> | sorry was tabbed out, i want to mount the filesystem, so that my webapp on linode1 can upload files to linode2 |
| 10:45 | <Xenofox> | er users using the webapp on linode1 can upload files and they are saved linode2 (where i will be running lightttpd to serve static image files) |
| 10:45 | <mendel-> | Xenofox: both in the same datacenter? |
| 10:45 | <@caker> | Xenofox: if they're in the same datacenter, subscribe to the private back-end network on both Linodes |
| 10:46 | <@caker> | that way, xfer between the two won't count against your monthly transfer quota |
| 10:46 | <mendel-> | Yeah, that. And NFS, I guess. |
| 10:47 | <Xenofox> | yea they are both in the same datacenter |
| 10:48 | <LanceHaig> | is there a way i can suggest another os for linode? |
| 10:49 | <scott> | slackware? |
| 10:49 | <LanceHaig> | nope |
| 10:49 | <LanceHaig> | sorr |
| 10:49 | <LanceHaig> | I was thinking of rpath |
| 10:49 | <LanceHaig> | their appliances are quite good |
| 10:50 | <Xenofox> | hm, are new linodes using Xen now? i thought that was just a beta thing |
| 10:50 | <@tasaro> | ;) |
| 10:50 | <@caker> | :) !! |
| 10:50 | <scott> | ? !! |
| 10:51 | <@caker> | \o/ |
| 10:51 | <atourino> | out of beta? |
| 10:51 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 10:51 | <Xenofox> | dunno i just added a linode to my account, and it says Xen at the top of the page now lol |
| 10:51 | <Xenofox> | my other linode doesnt! |
| 10:51 | <mendel-> | \o/ |
| 10:51 | <mendel-> | haha |
| 10:51 | <mendel-> | hrm |
| 10:51 | <path_> | gmail is still in beta |
| 10:51 | <mendel-> | I should really have hit the xen button before I started migrating things |
| 10:51 | <mendel-> | >_< |
| 10:52 | <path_> | is that like the easy button? |
| 10:52 | -!- | mendel- is now known as mendel |
| 10:52 | <mendel> | Exactly! |
| 10:52 | <Clorith> | awesome, my mentor and guide, path_, is still here |
| 10:52 | <Clorith> | ^-^ |
| 10:52 | <Xenofox> | i havn't paid much attention to the Xen thing, is it better then UML? |
| 10:53 | <@tasaro> | Pa-pa-pa-pa-pigs |
| 10:54 | <@tasaro> | Pigs in Xen |
| 10:54 | <atourino> | Im a pig... but not in xen |
| 10:54 | <atourino> | weird |
| 10:54 | * | mendel hits the button belatedly |
| 10:55 | <scott> | caker: 64bit xen? |
| 10:56 | <@caker> | scott: in theory yes, but when I built a 64bit xen guest it croaked on boot |
| 10:56 | <scott> | the host was 64bit? |
| 10:56 | <@caker> | Xen is, yes |
| 10:56 | <scott> | odd |
| 10:56 | <atourino> | how about a 63.5? |
| 10:56 | <atourino> | maybe turning it down a notch helps XD |
| 10:57 | <mendel> | clearly too many bits |
| 10:57 | <scott> | atourino: i bet he tried slackware |
| 10:58 | <atourino> | what? people still use slackware? |
| 10:58 | * | atourino runs from mwalling |
| 11:00 | <atourino> | caker... you know what would be cool (just thinking about fo0bar's rickrollin appliance |
| 11:01 | <atourino> | logging into you linode dashboard and getting rickrolled |
| 11:01 | <atourino> | XD |
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| 11:06 | <mwalling> | what? |
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| 11:16 | <Clorith> | Could someone help me set up my bind to respond to outside requests ? |
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| 11:23 | <path_> | Clorith, http://www.boran.com/security/sp/bind_hardening.html |
| 11:23 | <path_> | you should chroot it too |
| 11:23 | <path_> | i would anyway |
| 11:24 | <Clorith> | yea |
| 11:24 | <Clorith> | at least it all works nicely for "in house" requests now ^_^ |
| 11:26 | <path_> | :) |
| 11:27 | <path_> | it's important to secure it in such a way that people can only query zones that you have listed |
| 11:27 | <path_> | you don't it to answer for other stuff |
| 11:29 | <Clorith> | indeed |
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| 11:29 | <Clorith> | silly skiddies and their wish for online recognition and fear that they will never gain :P |
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| 12:19 | <simlun> | Quick question: If I sign up for a linode account, with monthly payments, and after a few months decide that I want to pay annually, will I get the extra disk space then? |
| 12:20 | <@tasaro> | yes |
| 12:20 | <simlun> | sweet :) |
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| 12:42 | <@linbot> | New news from blog: Linodes in Xen <http://blog.linode.com/2008/03/28/linodes-in-xen/>; |
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| 12:45 | <r3z> | tasaro, is the XEN migration starting monday? |
| 12:46 | <atourino> | w00t! |
| 12:46 | <atourino> | :) |
| 12:46 | <simlun> | hahaha! ten minutes ago I searched for an answer in the forums, just how stable the linode Xen support is XD |
| 12:47 | <path_> | so i'm wondering.. are you guys putting xen on the same hosts as UML |
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| 12:47 | <path_> | can they run side by side? |
| 12:47 | <@linbot> | New news from forums: Announcement: Xen is now live! in Xen Public Beta <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3180>; |
| 12:47 | <@caker> | path_: they can, but we're not doing that |
| 12:47 | <@tasaro> | r3z: yours will be monday evening / tuesday |
| 12:48 | <mwalling> | hmm... |
| 12:48 | <path_> | so your new hosts are xen, and as people vacate the uml ones, you're removing the uml software and replacing it with xen? |
| 12:48 | <r3z> | Coolnesss |
| 12:48 | <path_> | :) |
| 12:48 | <@tasaro> | path_: the UML hosts simply need a reboot, but that schedule has not been determined yet |
| 12:48 | <@caker> | path_: we're so good, that all it takes is one quick reboot of the host and everyone goes from UML->Xen |
| 12:48 | * | caker flexes |
| 12:48 | <path_> | heh |
| 12:48 | <mwalling> | *blink |
| 12:48 | <mwalling> | damn |
| 12:48 | <path_> | very nice |
| 12:49 | <mwalling> | see, it was so good, i forgot to * |
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| 12:49 | <path_> | do both uml and xen use the same disk image format? |
| 12:49 | <@caker> | there's no format, it's just a disk |
| 12:49 | <path_> | just a like mounting a file with loop |
| 12:50 | <@caker> | They both can use LVM volumes OR file based images |
| 12:50 | <@caker> | (in our case, LVM) |
| 12:50 | <path_> | neat |
| 12:50 | <path_> | lvm is very convenient |
| 12:51 | <path_> | i should stop asking questions before you divulge any trade secrets :) |
| 12:52 | <path_> | i like the idea that you're just going to reboot all the hosts.. i'd rather just wait for that then put in a ticket to get moved and all that |
| 12:54 | <path_> | you should get a staples easy button and wire it to reboot hosts |
| 12:55 | <r3z> | caker, I am assuming people you hire need to be local to NJ? |
| 12:55 | <@caker> | r3z: yes |
| 12:55 | <mwalling> | :( |
| 12:56 | <path_> | wow, you guys aren't that far away |
| 12:56 | <path_> | well, 1hr 45min |
| 12:56 | <r3z> | Nevermind then. ;) |
| 12:56 | <path_> | near the beach |
| 12:57 | <bd_> | caker: Someone on another channel is asking why >2.6.18 is still marked 'dev' :) |
| 12:58 | <Clorith> | What SSL libraries are best to use with ubuntu ? |
| 13:00 | <Xenofox> | where in NJ are you guys at if you dont mind me askin ^ |
| 13:00 | <@tasaro> | Xenofox: http://www.linode.com/contacts.cfm |
| 13:01 | <@tasaro> | (near Atlantic City -- about an hour east of Philadelphia) |
| 13:02 | <Xenofox> | yea an hour 40 from me according to google maps |
| 13:02 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 13:02 | <Xenofox> | didnt realize you all were so close lol |
| 13:02 | <mwalling> | 4 and a half from me :( |
| 13:03 | <iggy> | let's say I have a domain setup in dns manager, but linode's dns servers are not set as the auth servers for that domain, will the rdns check hit linode's servers or will it go out to the root servers/etc.? |
| 13:05 | <@caker> | bd_: I haven't rebuilt it yet .. sooooon |
| 13:09 | <bd_> | So, what's next? Custom kernel support for BSD/solaris fans? :) |
| 13:09 | <mendel> | clorith: to use for.. what? |
| 13:09 | <mendel> | tasaro: what's "ISN" on the contacts page? |
| 13:10 | <Bdragon> | Or plan9 even :P |
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| 13:10 | <Clorith> | mendel, just reading this bind thingie, I'm setting up bind over again (good for learning, and since i*m followign a guide, Iwant to follow it) and it said I should have SSL or else bind will start whining |
| 13:10 | <Clorith> | and I know there are lots of SSL alternatives, so I was jsut wondering what's best for use that bind will accept |
| 13:10 | <mendel> | apt-get install bind9 # whatever it brings down |
| 13:11 | <Clorith> | this one is for manually installing without the use of apt |
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| 13:11 | <@mikegrb> | mendel: ITAD Subscriber Number |
| 13:12 | <mendel> | clorith: What do you need ssl in bind for? rndc? I personally wouldn't bother. (Then again I'd just use the supplied bind) |
| 13:12 | <mendel> | (then again i'd just use tinydns, but that's not important :) |
| 13:12 | <Clorith> | haha |
| 13:12 | <Clorith> | "Note also that a recent version of the SSL libraries needs to be installed, for example from sunfreeware.com. Bind will complain if the SSL libraries are old (since older versions have security vulnerabilities)." <--- taken from the guide I'm following |
| 13:13 | <mendel> | are you building your own ssl libraries to? apt-get install openssl :) |
| 13:13 | <mendel> | urgh, "too" |
| 13:13 | <mendel> | :/ |
| 13:14 | <Clorith> | openssl works ^-^ |
| 13:14 | <Clorith> | I don't want to build that my self xD |
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| 13:17 | <mendel> | Clorith: The kind of "old ssl libraries" you'd find on a typical Solaris box are older than anything you need to worry about :) |
| 13:18 | <Clorith> | haha, ok |
| 13:18 | <path_> | http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2008/03/27/vmware_hypervisor_claims/ |
| 13:22 | <bd_> | and this is why things like KVM >> vmware :) |
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| 13:24 | <path_> | well, it's probably something to be aware of with any hypervisor |
| 13:24 | <bd_> | true, but at least with (!vmware) security audits don't occur under a NDA |
| 13:24 | <path_> | yea |
| 13:25 | <path_> | like microsoft not putting out patches |
| 13:25 | <path_> | they have so many patches for stuff that are not public |
| 13:25 | <bd_> | can't say I'm surprised :/ |
| 13:25 | <path_> | you have to have a contract with them and complain about something not working for them to say "oh you need this patch |
| 13:25 | <path_> | " |
| 13:26 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 13:26 | <Clorith> | lol |
| 13:26 | <Clorith> | I got a nice patch for vista to fix wireless instability ;) |
| 13:26 | <bd_> | Well, are those security patches, or functionality patches? |
| 13:26 | <Clorith> | had to email them and request it though |
| 13:26 | <bd_> | could be functionality patch X breaks legacy program Y |
| 13:26 | <path_> | but if you just so happen to know the hidden patch number and call up, they'll email links to download them |
| 13:26 | <Clorith> | and I got a mail sayign I had 24 horus to download it |
| 13:26 | <path_> | yea |
| 13:26 | <path_> | those |
| 13:26 | <path_> | jerks |
| 13:27 | <path_> | i think they end up putting all those things in their service packs |
| 13:27 | <Clorith> | They do |
| 13:27 | <Clorith> | the "secret" patches are really jstu development udpates |
| 13:27 | <path_> | but they only release sps like every two years so they can say they don't have as many security updates as linux |
| 13:28 | <path_> | i recently had to point out to one of my coworkers that all these linux security patches are from lots of different products where the ones from microsoft are from all one company |
| 13:28 | <path_> | comparing apples to oranges |
| 13:28 | <bd_> | Moreover how many programs does a typical user have on their system which /aren't/ patched, /ever/ |
| 13:29 | <bd_> | compared to $distro's comprehensive security policies |
| 13:29 | <path_> | true |
| 13:29 | <iggy> | and linux security stuff includes all of the apps too |
| 13:29 | <iggy> | like open office, database servers, php, etc |
| 13:29 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 13:29 | <bd_> | lol php |
| 13:30 | <iggy> | whereas every study comparing windows to linux I've seen only includes windows |
| 13:30 | <iggy> | I was trying to think of stuff that has lots of vulns |
| 13:30 | <Bdragon> | Define typical user |
| 13:31 | <bd_> | Bdragon: Joe Blow downloading random stuff from download.com |
| 13:31 | <Bdragon> | The typical windows (noncorporate) user has a vulnerable webbrowser... |
| 13:31 | <bd_> | although that scenario is perhaps fundamentally flawed :) |
| 13:31 | <bd_> | but at least if Joe Blow uses APT he won't get viruses/spyware/etc |
| 13:31 | <Bdragon> | Heh, download.com... I haven't used that in YEARS... |
| 13:32 | <Bdragon> | Anyone remember.. oh, what was it... jumbo.com or something? |
| 13:32 | <bd_> | nope |
| 13:33 | <bd_> | also download.com really does suck, I hear some jerk uploaded a spyware'd version of Azureus, and it's probably still there :/ |
| 13:36 | <Clorith> | this is frustrating... |
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| 13:37 | <Clorith> | hmm, is there an app that shows what aplications are using up/downstream and how much ? |
| 13:37 | <Clorith> | Because it seems odd that I should've used this much bandwidth already |
| 13:38 | <mendel> | clorith: iptraf for real-time stats |
| 13:38 | <@linbot> | New news from forums: Linode Blog - http://blog.linode.com/ in Linode.com Announcements <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3155>; |
| 13:38 | <Clorith> | excellent, I'l lgive that a shot =) |
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| 13:38 | <mendel> | yay blog |
| 13:40 | <simlun> | Yay! I just signed up! Now when selecting a data center, as a european, the one in Atlanta seems like a wise choice, huh? |
| 13:40 | <bd_> | Probably, latency-wise. |
| 13:40 | <bd_> | You can migrate later if it becomes necessary |
| 13:40 | <simlun> | aight :) |
| 13:40 | <Clorith> | I could've picked whichever, I have an amazing ISP |
| 13:40 | <bd_> | (although changing DCs entails a change in IP) |
| 13:41 | <Clorith> | 2MB/sec down - 1MB/sec up during the heavy load hours of the day |
| 13:41 | <path_> | there is some forum post with a file you can download from each DC |
| 13:41 | <path_> | to compare performance |
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| 13:42 | <simlun> | path_: oh, great |
| 13:42 | <simlun> | well, those heavy load hours of the day are different hours for me here in Sweden ;) |
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| 13:42 | <mendel> | oh hrm |
| 13:43 | <mendel> | hey, was it enough for me to hit the xen beta button to move, now that xen's not in beta? |
| 13:43 | <bd_> | Clorith: Sure, but there's a bit of latency difference between the datacenters, unless you're sitting in the middle of it |
| 13:43 | <bd_> | mendel: what do you mean? |
| 13:43 | <mendel> | This morning I followed the "I'd like to be on the xen beta" link, but I just saw http://blog.linode.com/2008/03/28/linodes-in-xen/ |
| 13:43 | <bd_> | ah |
| 13:43 | <mendel> | so I want to make sure I don't fall between the cracks |
| 13:43 | <bd_> | you can put in a ticket |
| 13:44 | <bd_> | or wait for the scheduled upgrades (which might take a while) |
| 13:44 | <mendel> | Yeah, I'm just wondering if I already did by hitting the xen beta button :) |
| 13:44 | <bd_> | no idea, put in a ticket just in case :) |
| 13:44 | <mendel> | hee |
| 13:44 | <Clorith> | bd_, I guess, but I jsut love bragging about my home connection :P |
| 13:44 | <Clorith> | I'm an ass like that |
| 13:44 | <bd_> | bah, my uni connection is approximately that fast |
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| 13:59 | <simlun> | what does the last part in the kernel versions mean? for example "...-linode7" and "...-lindev4" |
| 13:59 | <mendel> | nice, that support ticket had about a 5-minute turnaround |
| 13:59 | * | mendel likes this linode thing |
| 14:00 | <path_> | they already switched you to xen? |
| 14:00 | <mendel> | no, just a response |
| 14:00 | <path_> | heh |
| 14:00 | <path_> | ok |
| 14:00 | <mendel> | monday or tuesday though |
| 14:00 | <mendel> | nowhere to move me to right now |
| 14:00 | <path_> | i was gonna say, that's crazy impressive |
| 14:01 | <mendel> | still, i'm used to dreamhost! so fast response is great |
| 14:01 | <@caker> | simlun: those are the build numbers |
| 14:01 | <@caker> | lindev implies this is a test/development kernel (which will go away after we're done with them), and -linodeNN are "production" kernels followed by the build number |
| 14:02 | <@caker> | unless you have a reason not to, always use "Latest 2.6" |
| 14:02 | <simlun> | caker: okay, thanks |
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| 14:14 | <marvinp> | caker: What exactly is the process for migrating to Xen. I send a ticket, and the rest of the work is on Linode's side? Is there any down-time associated with switching to Xen? |
| 14:14 | <mendel> | yes |
| 14:14 | <mendel> | and yes |
| 14:14 | * | mendel is however not caker |
| 14:15 | <@tasaro> | after we configure the migration, you initiate it via the Linode Manager |
| 14:15 | <@tasaro> | if staying within the same data center, ~ 2 min per GB of disk images and your IPs remain the same |
| 14:15 | <@caker> | marvinp: you submit a ticket. We configure a migration once there's a spot for you, we update your ticket, you log into linode.com, shutdown, click the migrate button. Your stuff gets copied to a new host, you boot back up. |
| 14:16 | <marvinp> | oh ok, thanks. Pretty straightforward |
| 14:19 | <anderiv> | marvinp: yup - I just went through that process two nights ago. Works great. |
| 14:19 | * | anderiv looks at LPM job queue |
| 14:20 | <anderiv> | looks like it took 1 hr 3 min to transfer my 15GB image to the Xen host. |
| 14:20 | <path_> | do you guys want people to submit tickets or just wait for mass migrations? |
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| 14:37 | <mendel> | path: the blog post invited tickets |
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| 14:41 | <atourino> | If you dont mind the copying downtime then you should submit the ticket |
| 14:41 | <atourino> | the migration sounds like it will be a quick reboot |
| 14:41 | <atourino> | no copying needed |
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| 14:42 | <atourino> | so maybe 5 minutes of downtime |
| 14:42 | <atourino> | or so i gather |
| 14:43 | <anderiv> | a bit longer than that, cause it'll require a host reboot. |
| 14:44 | <anderiv> | so, I'd guess 10 minutes for the host to shut down all the guests, 5 minutes for a reboot, and then however long it takes to iterate through the domU boot process. |
| 14:50 | <atourino> | ok |
| 14:50 | <atourino> | my bad |
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| 14:52 | <anderiv> | np....they have to reboot the hosts into the new Xen dom0 kernel. |
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| 14:57 | <Xenofox> | does Finnix work in Xen? |
| 14:57 | <@caker> | not yet :) |
| 14:57 | <Xenofox> | Ah that would explain why i can't get it to work :D |
| 14:58 | <fo0bar> | correction: Finnix works just fine in xen, just not caker's setup yet :) |
| 14:58 | <@caker> | indeed |
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| 14:59 | <Xenofox> | i assume its caker's setup that we can use via linode control panel right? |
| 14:59 | <mwalling> | is finnix going to rickroll us now? |
| 14:59 | <anderiv> | Xenofox: yup |
| 14:59 | <fo0bar> | mwalling: never gonna boot you up, never gonna power you down, never gonna scan your bus, and fsck you |
| 15:00 | <opello> | lish should do that when you issue a reboot or something |
| 15:00 | * | mikegrb breaks fo0bar's kneecaps |
| 15:00 | <mwalling> | fo0bar: i'm assuming that was based on openwrt? |
| 15:01 | <fo0bar> | mwalling: yeah. just a few iptables rules and a tweak to the dns server so it returned a positive response for everything (so the unit itself didn't have to have an upstream connection) |
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| 15:01 | <mwalling> | nice |
| 15:01 | <fo0bar> | the flv is stored on the flash itself, but I only had about 4MB to work with, so I had to use the sped up version |
| 15:02 | <mwalling> | downsample it? |
| 15:02 | <fo0bar> | that's an option |
| 15:03 | <fo0bar> | I think I could steal a computer with flash encoder on it from one of the designers at work |
| 15:08 | <path_> | yep, crazy impressive |
| 15:11 | <bd_> | fo0bar: use mp4/AVC instead? |
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| 15:18 | <bd_> | fo0bar: also it's possible to cobble together a FLV/VP6 encoding chain with free (as in a mix of beer and speech) (windows-only) software |
| 15:19 | <bd_> | painful, but possible |
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| 15:36 | <path_> | when we move to xen, should we be creating a modules.dep |
| 15:37 | <path_> | nm |
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| 15:49 | <bd_> | path_: Currently none of the xen kernels require any modules |
| 15:49 | <bd_> | You /can/ use modules, but everything's built in anyway, so it's only needed for custom kernels |
| 15:50 | <bd_> | er |
| 15:50 | <bd_> | custom modules |
| 15:50 | <bd_> | eg, ztdummy |
| 15:50 | <@mikegrb> | (ztxen) |
| 15:51 | <@mikegrb> | or just comment out all the rtc stuff in ztdummy |
| 15:51 | <bd_> | hm, people have been using ztdummy on xen anyawy, I thought? |
| 15:51 | <marvinp> | For Xen, are the linode kernels unmodified? |
| 15:51 | <bd_> | well, ztsomething anyway :) |
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| 15:51 | <bd_> | (also, shouldn't the linux kernel implement a pvops backend for RTC or something?) |
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| 15:54 | <path_> | i found this post helpful... http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=14201 |
| 15:54 | <path_> | :) |
| 15:55 | <path_> | marvinp, it looks like the xen kernels are modified |
| 15:55 | <path_> | but they seem to have everything you need |
| 15:55 | <path_> | well, i need |
| 15:55 | <bd_> | modified? |
| 15:56 | <mwalling> | IIUC, they come from the xen tree, as opposed to kernel.org's tree |
| 15:56 | <bd_> | 2.6.1x are the original xen port, which bascially patches the heck out of linux to make it work |
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| 15:56 | <bd_> | 2.6.2x is the kernel.org kernels with pv_ops |
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| 16:18 | <path_> | !avail-he |
| 16:18 | <@linbot> | path_: Fremont360 - 0, Fremont540 - 0, Fremont720 - 0, Fremont1080 - 0, Fremont1440 - 0 |
| 16:18 | <path_> | !avail-tp |
| 16:18 | <@linbot> | path_: Dallas360 - 4, Dallas540 - 24, Dallas720 - 0, Dallas1080 - 0, Dallas1440 - 0 |
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| 16:19 | <path_> | i forget atlanta |
| 16:19 | <@caker> | !avail-atlanta |
| 16:19 | <@linbot> | caker: Atlanta360 - 36, Atlanta540 - 0, Atlanta720 - 0, Atlanta1080 - 0, Atlanta1440 - 0 |
| 16:19 | <@caker> | I aliased them |
| 16:20 | <path_> | cool :) |
| 16:21 | <path_> | i'm showing my boss xen |
| 16:24 | <path_> | i just told him the beta is over.. he has a uml linode somewhere |
| 16:24 | <path_> | "what are you sitting on irc all day?" |
| 16:24 | <zeroday> | hey hey, when does the migration start? |
| 16:24 | <path_> | yea |
| 16:24 | <path_> | "cool" |
| 16:24 | <path_> | heh |
| 16:28 | <marvinp> | path_: thanks, I did "top" on my linode and noticed "xenwatch" and "xenbus." I read somewhere that Xen could run OSs that are unmodified, but I guess Linode isn't using that. |
| 16:28 | <johnny> | so, has the kernel been upgraded yet? |
| 16:28 | <johnny> | past 2.6.18 |
| 16:28 | * | johnny can't remember his linode pass.. it's at home |
| 16:29 | <@caker> | johnny: in the next few days it will be, yes |
| 16:29 | <johnny> | sweetz |
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| 16:52 | <webPragmatist> | anyone ever tried to setup postfix / amasvis / clamscan and have a problem where the stupid thing keeps scanning |
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| 17:21 | <bd_> | Linode 540: $30/mo |
| 17:21 | <bd_> | Xen: $0 |
| 17:21 | <bd_> | Building a cross-toolchain in four minutes: Priceless |
| 17:23 | <mwalling> | knocking off a mastercard comercial: your soul |
| 17:25 | <bd_> | ;_; |
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| 17:26 | <bd_> | hmm |
| 17:26 | <bd_> | ./rockboxdev.sh 302.53s user 109.62s system 168% cpu 4:04.42 total |
| 17:26 | <bd_> | -j too low perhaps :| |
| 17:26 | <serveriscrashing> | hi guys |
| 17:26 | <serveriscrashing> | I am in a bit of an emergency |
| 17:26 | <bd_> | or too high >.> |
| 17:26 | <bd_> | hm? |
| 17:26 | <serveriscrashing> | my site just got on the #13 blog in the world |
| 17:26 | <serveriscrashing> | readwriteweb |
| 17:26 | <serveriscrashing> | and has been brought to its knees |
| 17:26 | <bd_> | ah, slashdot effect? |
| 17:26 | <bd_> | how many apache workers are you using? |
| 17:26 | <serveriscrashing> | I am using almost no indexs and no cache |
| 17:26 | <serveriscrashing> | on a php mysql centos 768 vps |
| 17:27 | <bd_> | no indexes...? >_>;; |
| 17:27 | <mwalling> | dump your blog as static .html files |
| 17:27 | <serveriscrashing> | any gurus of smarty, DB indexing, and PHP query re-factoring got a few hours? |
| 17:27 | <mwalling> | :) |
| 17:28 | <arooni> | serveriscrashing, looks good to me |
| 17:28 | <LanceHaig> | hey guys |
| 17:28 | <arooni> | fast load |
| 17:28 | <bd_> | arooni: which site? |
| 17:28 | <arooni> | readwriteweb |
| 17:29 | <bd_> | that's not serveriscrashing's site, that's what's bringing said site to its knees |
| 17:29 | <arooni> | ah gotcha |
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| 17:32 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 17:32 | <webPragmatist> | how can i kill all comma |
