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| 02:05 | <minerale> | So the building that houses GNAX (Atl Datacentre) had sustained several broken windows due to the tornado there |
| 02:06 | <minerale> | Is Linode a big customer of theirs? You guys should try to convince them to stop blocking irc ports |
| 02:31 | <arooni> | i addedDirectoryIndex index.html index.php to ... i have that set up in my apache config file underneath: <Directory "/var/www/interview_hacks"> ... i have a direcotry /var/www/interview_hacks/forums that has an index.php file in it. when i hit interviewhacks.com/forums... i get a 403 |
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| 04:49 | <Talman> | Hmm, how would I find the email address for Comcast's NOC for my geo region? |
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| 05:07 | <Internat> | google? |
| 05:08 | <Internat> | u could ask on nanog if u go treally despearte |
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| 05:16 | <Talman> | Google's failing me, but its 4 AM and I just woke up. There's been a 20% packet loss for 2 weeks now. |
| 05:17 | <Talman> | Right at the Level3/Comcast edge. |
| 05:27 | <tierra> | heh... good luck getting a contact address, and good luck convincing support that "it works, but it has issues" is worthy of being passed up the chain to actually get it fixed |
| 05:27 | * | tierra hates Comcast with a passion |
| 05:28 | <tierra> | wow... now that you bring it up, I'm getting 30%+ packet loss right now inside of Comcast's network |
| 05:34 | <Peng> | I wonder how long an ISP could get away with that? |
| 05:48 | <Talman> | They're Comcast. |
| 05:52 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 05:52 | <Talman> | lol. |
| 05:52 | <Talman> | Q: Why is Costco Wholesale selling caskets? |
| 05:52 | <Talman> | As a service to our members. |
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| 06:36 | * | jadoba lives in philadelphia (Comcast just built the biggest skyscraper in philly), and has been experiencing high latency, slow service and packet loss for the past 3 days |
| 06:38 | <jadoba> | oh, and a 1.5GB torrent took 38 hours to complete, yet my share ratio was 2.58 |
| 06:38 | <jadoba> | do the math, it was about 40KB/s download the whole time, with my upload maxed out |
| 06:39 | <jadoba> | (at 80KB/s) |
| 06:39 | <CLorith> | Hmm, would anyone have a reasonable idea as to why my loads have been stuck above 1.00 ever since installing mysql, althoug hthe only process making any noticable use of the cpu and memory is mysqld_safe using 4% cpu and .1% memory |
| 06:40 | <CLorith> | jadoba, if you max your upload, you cripple your download |
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| 06:41 | <jadoba> | CLorith: true... |
| 06:41 | <jadoba> | CLorith: how did you find the cpu/memory stats, with top or "ps aux" |
| 06:42 | <CLorith> | top |
| 06:42 | <jadoba> | try "ps auxwwwww | less" and take another look |
| 06:43 | <new2linode> | hi folks, i've tried installing a jabber server on my linode (Centos & Ubuntu) images. I've got it working on a ubuntu box at home. But even tho the service starts on both the Centos & Ubuntu linodes, I can't connect. Is there a firewall running by default on linodes? |
| 06:43 | <CLorith> | that jsut gave me a big black screen |
| 06:43 | <Internat> | no firewall running on linode |
| 06:43 | <Internat> | atlanta has some blocked ports but thats about it |
| 06:43 | <new2linode> | ah |
| 06:44 | <new2linode> | i'm on atlanta |
| 06:44 | <jadoba> | CLorith: uhh.... wow |
| 06:44 | <Internat> | theres a list on the fourms of blocked ports |
| 06:44 | <new2linode> | ok thanks |
| 06:44 | <jadoba> | ps auxwwwww | more |
| 06:44 | <jadoba> | or install less... :/ |
| 06:44 | <CLorith> | I would, but it's kinda hating on me right now, haha |
| 06:44 | <CLorith> | there we go |
| 06:45 | <CLorith> | ERROR: Unsupported option (BSD syntax) |
| 06:45 | <jadoba> | at the very top you'll see the column listing |
| 06:45 | <jadoba> | yeah, more is a pita |
| 06:45 | <jadoba> | I just use the spacebar to scroll down, and re-run it when you get to the end |
| 06:45 | <CLorith> | oh wait, I had a typo in the less one >_< |
| 06:46 | <CLorith> | this time I got up lots of processes |
| 06:46 | <jadoba> | yes |
| 06:47 | <CLorith> | not sure what I'm looking for though |
| 06:47 | <jadoba> | well, like i said, the column listing is at the very tippy top |
| 06:47 | <jadoba> | cols 3 and 4 are cpu% and mem%, respectively |
| 06:47 | <CLorith> | the only thing showing in that is still mysqld_safe using any cpu at all |
| 06:47 | <CLorith> | although in there it was reporting 14.5% cpu usage |
| 06:49 | <jadoba> | well, load average is not all about CPU |
| 06:50 | <CLorith> | true |
| 06:50 | <CLorith> | but there was nothing to note on the memory usage either |
| 06:51 | <jadoba> | whats the load average now |
| 06:51 | <CLorith> | 1.0 |
| 06:51 | <jadoba> | across the board? 1.0 1.0 1.0 ? |
| 06:51 | <CLorith> | I might have found the issue |
| 06:51 | <CLorith> | yeah, across |
| 06:52 | <CLorith> | apache is taking a whole lot of processes runnign under www-data |
| 06:53 | <CLorith> | www-data 9225 0.0 1.2 21784 5368 ? S Mar23 0:00 /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start |
| 06:54 | <CLorith> | That's the one using the least memory of'em, althoug hthat didn't pop up the first time I ran less |
| 06:55 | <jadoba> | you might want to run the "ps ..." command as root, if not doing that already |
| 06:55 | <CLorith> | I am |
| 06:55 | <CLorith> | I got up quite a few of those www-data ones |
| 06:55 | <CLorith> | all of them using surprisingly large amounts of ram% |
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| 06:56 | <jadoba> | ok |
| 06:56 | <jadoba> | your site might be getting pounded or something |
| 06:56 | <jadoba> | good luck <<two thumbs up>> |
| 06:56 | <CLorith> | haha, thanks >_< |
| 06:56 | <CLorith> | I'l ltry killing all of those and see what happens |
| 06:56 | <jadoba> | uhh |
| 06:56 | <jadoba> | hmm |
| 06:56 | <jadoba> | what distro? |
| 06:57 | <CLorith> | ubuntu |
| 06:58 | <jadoba> | I wouldn't go and kill them all, maybe restart apache "the ubuntu way" would be better |
| 07:00 | <CLorith> | I didn't kill the one runnig nunder root :P |
| 07:00 | <CLorith> | but yeah, I'll give a restart a try |
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| 07:10 | <@linbot> | New news from forums: Plan Updates - 20% Additional RAM in Linode.com Announcements <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2993>; |
| 07:13 | <CLorith> | still stuck at 1.00 across the bar =/ |
| 07:14 | <Internat> | damm people bumping the annoucements forums |
| 07:14 | <Internat> | i keep getting all excited |
| 07:14 | <CLorith> | haha, I did the same |
| 07:15 | <mwalling> | Internat: we should slap them |
| 07:15 | <Internat> | i know |
| 07:15 | <jadoba> | s/lap/tab/ |
| 07:16 | <Internat> | caker: can you lock the annoucements thread? |
| 07:17 | <mwalling> | Internat: you still need postfix help? |
| 07:18 | <Internat> | 50/50 |
| 07:18 | <Internat> | i know what i want to do, im just not sure how to do it |
| 07:19 | <mwalling> | spill it |
| 07:19 | <Internat> | the short version is, im building my mail gateway/relay army. i want to make it that everything in gets scanned for spam/virus and then either gets relayed via typica methods (mx lookups) or uses my transport maps to relay directly to something |
| 07:19 | * | mwalling nods |
| 07:20 | <mwalling> | you putting spam filtering on the border or the back end |
| 07:20 | <Internat> | border |
| 07:20 | <Internat> | im trying to take the load off the backane |
| 07:21 | <mwalling> | what are you using for the spam/av? |
| 07:21 | <Internat> | amavisd |
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| 07:22 | <Internat> | spamassassin |
| 07:22 | <Internat> | i havnt workd out that part of config yet |
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| 07:22 | <Internat> | cause i need that to be domain specific, which will be handled by a mysql lookup |
| 07:22 | <Internat> | to determin where it gets marked and passed through, or flat out rejected |
| 07:22 | <Internat> | pretty sure amavisd can do that |
| 07:22 | <mwalling> | aah |
| 07:22 | <mwalling> | yeah |
| 07:24 | <Internat> | so thats my idea :) |
| 07:24 | <Internat> | it may need to go down to a email address specific filter but im still deciding that yet |
| 07:24 | <mwalling> | master.cf problems? |
| 07:24 | <Internat> | not yet |
| 07:25 | <Internat> | its all theory atm, |
| 07:25 | <Internat> | i ahvnt attempted to put it into practice |
| 07:25 | <Internat> | im trying to get my head arround what im doing |
| 07:25 | <Internat> | mainly in particular the transport maps side of things |
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| 07:31 | <Internat> | sound relatively easy? |
| 07:34 | * | mwalling nodes |
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| 07:46 | <Internat> | excellent.. |
| 07:46 | <Internat> | now i just need to implement the damm thing |
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| 07:55 | * | mwalling gets a can for SpaceHobo |
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| 08:40 | <mwalling> | !avail |
| 08:40 | <@linbot> | mwalling: Linode360 - 0, Linode540 - 0, Linode720 - 0, Linode1080 - 0, Linode1440 - 0 |
| 08:40 | <heidi> | wow |
| 08:43 | <Talman> | Thought that was currently broken? |
| 08:45 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 08:45 | <JDLSpeedy> | lol, weird, no more linodes |
| 08:47 | <ankurgupta> | so linode now officially has a waiting list :D |
| 08:48 | <ankurgupta> | any idea when are the new machines coming up? |
| 08:52 | <@caker> | mid week |
| 08:55 | <JDLSpeedy> | caker: its not automatted? ;) |
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| 09:12 | <@tasaro> | JDLSpeedy: our hosts build new hosts when they are idle |
| 09:13 | <Hobbsee> | now, i've heard something like that before... |
| 09:13 | <Hobbsee> | can't remember where though |
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| 09:18 | <@linbot> | New news from forums: CPU policy question pre-setup in General Discussion <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3167>; |
| 09:20 | <@caker> | SET UP |
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| 09:22 | <JDLSpeedy> | tasaro: ahh |
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| 09:51 | <guinea-pig> | TEAR DOWN |
| 09:51 | * | mikegrb tears guinea-pig |
| 09:51 | * | guinea-pig gets down |
| 10:07 | <Talman> | Via Lifehacker: |
| 10:07 | <Talman> | I cant believe you guys forgot the ASCII rendition of Star Wars built into Windows XP; |
| 10:07 | <Talman> | 1. Open Windows XP and go to Start, then run. |
| 10:07 | <Talman> | 2. Type in or copy "telnet towel.blinkenlights.nl" without the quotes. |
| 10:07 | <Talman> | 3. Sit back and watch the ASCII movie |
| 10:08 | <Bdragon> | That still floating around? |
| 10:08 | <Talman> | Yes. |
| 10:08 | * | Talman didn't know that the internet was built into Windows XP, of course... |
| 10:08 | <Talman> | The IPV6 version has ANSI color. |
| 10:08 | <@mikegrb> | not any more |
| 10:08 | <@mikegrb> | :< |
| 10:09 | <Talman> | No color or is it down? |
| 10:09 | <@mikegrb> | it just gives you some message at the beginning |
| 10:09 | <@mikegrb> | and then plays the normal one :/ |
| 10:09 | <Talman> | Oh, ok. |
| 10:10 | <purrdeta> | how sad |
| 10:13 | <Bdragon> | "Built into..." ... Reminds me of http://www.jwz.org/gruntle/blowme.html |
| 10:16 | <Talman> | I've never seen that before, and it saddens me. |
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| 11:06 | <caleb> | Hi all, my webapp just launched today and the new users are crushing the VPS I have |
| 11:07 | <scott> | time for a larger vps |
| 11:07 | <caleb> | Monit keeps telling me the resource limits are being exceeded, CPU is above 4.0 for more than a minute and the percentage is greater than 76% |
| 11:08 | <caleb> | the memory usage looks fine, we are doing some CPU intensive calls, some collaborative filtering stugg |
| 11:08 | <caleb> | besides a larger VPS, what open source tools could I use to track down the slowest quiries and see what is going on under the hood in terms of concurrent connections and such |
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| 11:11 | <caleb> | is nagios something I should be using? |
| 11:11 | <iggy> | it's more for service checks |
| 11:11 | <iggy> | I mean it can check basics of the system |
| 11:12 | <caleb> | iggy- is it comparable to something like monit? |
| 11:13 | <iggy> | I think you probably want to watch things like vmstat |
| 11:13 | <iggy> | top |
| 11:13 | <iggy> | and then work on your services individually |
| 11:13 | <iggy> | there's a plethora of pages out there that talk about $database-of-choice perfomance monitoring and tuning |
| 11:14 | <iggy> | caleb: this is running on a linode? are you on xen? |
| 11:14 | <caleb> | yes it is on linnode, no I am still on the basic $20 a month plan |
| 11:14 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 11:14 | <caleb> | did not expect the app to gain popularity this fast, lol |
| 11:15 | <iggy> | well, xen is available to all users, but you'd have to sign up for it explicitly |
| 11:15 | <iggy> | well, it's not available right now |
| 11:15 | <iggy> | they are backed up |
| 11:16 | <iggy> | caleb: check top and look for %wa |
| 11:16 | <caleb> | and than will help because it is more scalable on their side? |
| 11:17 | <caleb> | cpu 33.1%us, 66.8%sy, 0.0%wa |
| 11:17 | <caleb> | Load- [2.60] [1.80] [0.85] |
| 11:17 | <iggy> | check /proc/io_status |
| 11:17 | <iggy> | yes, xen supports smp, it's faster, etc. |
| 11:18 | <caleb> | iggy I hate to admit it, but I am not a comandline guy, I am more the UI, user experience guy |
| 11:18 | <iggy> | you're spending a lot of time in %sys |
| 11:18 | <caleb> | but I am interested in the really techy stuff |
| 11:18 | <caleb> | what does that tell you? so much time in %sys |
| 11:18 | <iggy> | oh, just do "cat /proc/io_status" |
| 11:19 | <iggy> | possibly a lot of disk activity |
| 11:22 | <caleb> | so if I SSH into the server and then enter cat/proc/io_status I will see the disk usage? |
| 11:22 | <iggy> | sort of |
| 11:23 | <iggy> | you'll see something that's useful for debugging |
| 11:23 | <iggy> | also |
| 11:23 | <iggy> | while you're there, run "vmstat 1 50" and paste the output to pb.linode.com |
| 11:23 | <iggy> | caleb: is the site under load right now? |
| 11:24 | <@caker> | lots of time in sys looks like UML overhead to me |
| 11:24 | <@caker> | caleb: what is consuming CPU? (run top) |
| 11:24 | <iggy> | oh? disk intensive app? processor intensive app? |
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| 11:27 | <caleb> | So the site is Toluu.com |
| 11:27 | <caleb> | and we match users based on the feeds they read |
| 11:28 | <caleb> | I think the match query is the culprit since it runs against all the users and compares their feeds against everyone else to come up with a list of hits and misses and then sorts |
| 11:28 | <caleb> | 'localhost' cpu system usage of 64.5% matches resource limit [cpu system usage>50.0%] |
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| 11:28 | <caleb> | can you point me to a basic tutorial on how to enter in these commands like top and vmstat? |
| 11:28 | <@caker> | ? |
| 11:29 | <iggy> | ssh to the box |
| 11:29 | <caleb> | I have never done it before and have not used the command line |
| 11:29 | <iggy> | then type them in |
| 11:29 | <@caker> | caleb: log into your Linode via ssh -- type: top<return> |
| 11:29 | <iggy> | then hit enter |
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| 11:29 | <iggy> | caleb: who usually does your admin stuff? |
| 11:29 | <@caker> | caleb: top will default to sorting your processes by CPU usage |
| 11:30 | <@caker> | also, log in is two words |
| 11:30 | <@caker> | (on your website) |
| 11:31 | <caleb> | great I got it! |
| 11:31 | <caleb> | that was easier than I thought |
| 11:31 | <caleb> | ok, ran top |
| 11:32 | <@caker> | what's at the top of top's process list? |
| 11:32 | <caleb> | mysql |
| 11:32 | <@caker> | there you go. |
| 11:32 | <@caker> | add indexes, fix your queries, adjust mysql config vars, etc. |
| 11:32 | <caleb> | PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S PU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND |
| 11:32 | <caleb> | 2797 mysql 20 0 121m 20m 4168 S 11.9 5.9 1:56.10 mysqld |
| 11:33 | <caleb> | how do I get out of top? |
| 11:34 | <anderiv> | q |
| 11:34 | <caleb> | Ok I ran vmstat 1 50 |
| 11:35 | <caleb> | the IO BO has a few items every few seconds |
| 11:35 | <caleb> | in the 100-200 range |
| 11:35 | <iggy> | paste the output to pb.linode.com |
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| 11:37 | <newnick> | Back |
| 11:37 | <newnick> | h |
| 11:37 | <newnick> | k |
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| 11:39 | <newnick> | how can I figure out which mysql queries are running slowing |
| 11:40 | <@caker> | log-slow-queries = /var/log/mysql/mysql-slow.log <-- |
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| 11:41 | <newnick> | ack no such file or directory |
| 11:42 | <newnick> | can any of you guys recommend a good server admin/ mysql guru, who may be able to take some time to help me optimize? |
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| 11:46 | <iggy> | that might be something worth learning |
| 11:47 | <newnick> | I suppose I am afraid of messing things up, now that it is live |
| 11:48 | <newnick> | and since I do not code it would be hard to rewrite the queries |
| 11:48 | <iggy> | you don't have an admin? |
| 11:48 | <anderiv> | actually, you ***currently*** don't code. That could change. :-) |
| 11:49 | <newnick> | true |
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| 12:08 | <purrdeta> | can you install a pptpd on linode? |
| 12:09 | <anderiv> | purrdeta: sure |
| 12:09 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 12:09 | <purrdeta> | thats what I thought but I keep failing. LOL |
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| 12:10 | <scott> | purrdeta: might want to check out openvpn instead |
| 12:10 | <scott> | its so much better |
| 12:11 | <anderiv> | agreed |
| 12:11 | <purrdeta> | yeah that is what I hear |
| 12:13 | <purrdeta> | well I have teh broken the linode :P |
| 12:13 | <purrdeta> | so openvpn it is! as soon as I fix it >.> |
| 12:13 | <anderiv> | purrdeta: congrats. |
| 12:14 | <purrdeta> | :) |
| 12:15 | <purrdeta> | finnix works in xen right? |
| 12:15 | <scott> | purrdeta: if you really must have pptp, there is a certain kernel module that is required |
| 12:15 | <scott> | might want to check that first |
| 12:15 | <purrdeta> | meh, OpenVPN sounds fine. |
| 12:15 | <purrdeta> | I have heard lots of good things :) |
| 12:16 | <scott> | yeah, the difference is like night and day |
| 12:16 | <scott> | handles dropped packets so much better |
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| 12:18 | <SystemFAILURE> | Waiting for a Linode-administrator to ask for a pleasure about a Linode720 |
| 12:18 | <TJF> | o.O |
| 12:18 | <SystemFAILURE> | TJF: ? |
| 12:19 | <mwalling> | scott: openvpn wont install on my openwrt'd wrt54g v1 though |
| 12:19 | <TJF> | SystemFAILURE: i'm not an admin, sry :) |
| 12:20 | <SystemFAILURE> | TJF: okay :P |
| 12:21 | <anderiv> | mwalling: I think it can be installed if you do the additional flash storage hack, though. |
| 12:22 | <mwalling> | flash storage hack? |
| 12:22 | <mwalling> | adding a flash drive to it you mean? |
| 12:22 | <anderiv> | yup |
| 12:22 | <anderiv> | you can add a CF card. |
| 12:22 | <mwalling> | aah, yeah... not a hardware guy, i'm scared of my iron |
| 12:22 | <anderiv> | hehe |
| 12:23 | <anderiv> | yah - I haven't hacked mine either. |
| 12:33 | <SystemFAILURE> | Still - Waiting for a Linode-administrator to ask for a pleasure about a Linode720 |
| 12:33 | <mwalling> | a pleasure? |
| 12:34 | <anderiv> | SystemFAILURE: if you have an urgent support issue, you should submit a ticket. |
| 12:34 | <SystemFAILURE> | Nope .. I see that there are only 2 available Linode720 .. I'll buy an annual Linode720 in the next few days and i want to ask if is it possibile to 'preserve' one |
| 12:35 | <anderiv> | SystemFAILURE: I doubt it, but if it's any consolation, I believe there will be a bunch more linodes coming available later this week. |
| 12:35 | <SystemFAILURE> | I hope |
| 12:36 | <anderiv> | caker is shipping out 10 new hosts today I believe. |
| 12:36 | <SystemFAILURE> | :P |
| 12:36 | <@tasaro> | you can not reserve Linodes |
| 12:37 | <SystemFAILURE> | tasaro: okay :P then i hope to be in-time |
| 12:37 | <@caker> | in soviet russia, the linodes reserve YOU |
| 12:37 | <@tasaro> | 10 new hosts are going out over the next 2 days |
| 12:37 | <anderiv> | heh |
| 12:37 | <SystemFAILURE> | So you'll earn $499.9 |
| 12:37 | <SystemFAILURE> | tasaro: oh , perfect :D |
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| 12:38 | <bd_> | people need to stop posting in plan updates threads. I keep getting excited whenever I see it pop up on the forum ircbot :| |
| 12:38 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 12:38 | <SystemFAILURE> | lol |
| 12:39 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 12:39 | <SystemFAILURE> | Ehy , for the 2008 year 60mb of additional free ram were added .. And now , nothing for Easter ? lol |
| 12:41 | <@tasaro> | we hid the additional ram -- you didn't look for it when you woke up? |
| 12:42 | <mwalling> | i found it under the evergreen bush |
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| 12:42 | <SystemFAILURE> | tasaro: wheeeeeeere ? |
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| 12:56 | <zeroday> | hello all ^_^ |
| 12:57 | <zeroday> | im looking for a problem to my solution: |
| 12:57 | <SystemFAILURE> | zeroday: say |
| 12:57 | <zeroday> | I have a script I enable/disable via !on and !off |
| 12:57 | <SystemFAILURE> | *tell |
| 12:57 | <SystemFAILURE> | And then ? |
| 12:57 | <zeroday> | but, how can I stop on and off from being printed |
| 12:57 | <zeroday> | in the channel |
| 12:57 | <zeroday> | I tried irssi::signal_stop(), no luck |
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| 13:08 | <scott> | mwalling: yeah, just buy a gs on |
| 13:08 | <scott> | ebay |
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| 13:16 | <new2linode> | hi folks, back again and still having problems getting the openfire jabber server to run. I thought before it might be port-blocking at Atlanta, but I don't think so. |
| 13:17 | <new2linode> | I've installed different versions of the current openfire server (rpm,deb,tgz) on ubuntu, centos, and fedora linode images |
| 13:17 | <@caker> | new2linode: tasaro thinks it may be entropy related |
| 13:17 | <new2linode> | entropy? |
| 13:18 | <@caker> | lack of entropy to generate /dev/random stuff |
| 13:18 | <@caker> | try /dev/urandom ? |
| 13:18 | <new2linode> | sorry, you've lost me... do you want me to list what is in /dev/urandom? |
| 13:18 | <@tasaro> | new2linode: http://www.igniterealtime.org/community/message/163504#163504 |
| 13:19 | <new2linode> | tasaro, that's v. kind of you.. i will look there |
| 13:19 | <@caker> | new2linode: just for a quick test: mv /dev/random /dev/random-real; mknod -m 644 /dev/random c 1 9 |
| 13:19 | <@caker> | new2linode: then start it up |
| 13:21 | <new2linode> | interesting :-) |
| 13:21 | <new2linode> | 9090 is now listed! |
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| 13:22 | <gyzmodo> | hello |
| 13:22 | <gyzmodo> | guys |
| 13:22 | <bd_> | ln -s is far better at self-documenting than mknodding a urandom with the wrong name :( |
| 13:22 | <@caker> | indeed |
| 13:22 | <@caker> | new2linode: rm /dev/random; ln -s /dev/urandom /dev/random |
| 13:22 | <gyzmodo> | I've contacted my bank concerning the issues I've faced during the payment process but no luck. They're believing that your side is accepting my CVV but not returning it to the bank druing the payment process that's why the bank is declining the payment. That's why I want to make a wire transfer or bank transfer but I don't know what should I do for that. Would you be so kind to guide me how to make a bank transfer and provide your bank details, account num |
| 13:23 | <gyzmodo> | any ideas? |
| 13:24 | <@caker> | gyzmodo: I'm sorry you're having so much trouble. |
| 13:24 | <gyzmodo> | sorry? |
| 13:24 | <@caker> | gyzmodo: your bank should allow you to approve transactions without the CVV code being passed in |
| 13:24 | <@caker> | gyzmodo: we don't do wire transfers, but you can pay by a check if paying annually |
| 13:25 | <gyzmodo> | oh ma gosh |
| 13:26 | <gyzmodo> | only for annually? |
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| 13:29 | <gyzmodo> | seemsly the Linode.com not for me :) |
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| 13:31 | <gyzmodo> | Linode.com has a bad services |
| 13:32 | <anderiv> | gyzmodo: you're not going to convince anyone here of that, unfortunately. |
| 13:33 | <bd_> | Not linode's fault your bank is paranoid *shrug* I mean, requiring CVV is fine, but they should let it through if you ask them, really. |
| 13:33 | <new2linode> | well, I've just moved here, and I can't imagine another hosting provider helping me install software like this :-) |
| 13:34 | <gyzmodo> | why Linode.com doesnt send my CVV to my bank? |
| 13:34 | <@caker> | unfortunatly, our processor is so old, they do not support it |
| 13:34 | <gyzmodo> | i see |
| 13:35 | <@tasaro> | CVV should not prevent a transaction from being completed unless the CVV number was wrong or the card holder explicitly asked the bank not to allow CVV-less transactions |
| 13:35 | <jadoba> | gyzmodo: I am sure there are plenty of VPS solutions in or around Uzbekistan, why did you choose one in the states? |
| 13:36 | <gyzmodo> | it's a top secret jadoba |
| 13:37 | <jadoba> | oh ok :) |
| 13:38 | <gyzmodo> | I've the same problems with MediaTemple |
| 13:38 | <gyzmodo> | but NetSol works fine |
| 13:38 | <Kenobi> | yup, that means Linode sucks. god, they're worse than Bill Gates, AOL, and Omicron Persei 8 combined |
| 13:39 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 13:39 | <gyzmodo> | lol |
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| 13:39 | <gyzmodo> | guys |
| 13:40 | <gyzmodo> | thanks anyways |
| 13:40 | <gyzmodo> | it offends me... |
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| 13:50 | <scott> | get a real bank |
| 13:51 | <bd_> | he's gone :/ |
| 13:51 | <scott> | that should be a :) |
| 13:54 | <gtc> | Anyone know if there's a directive to tell nginx not to report its version number in the http headers? I saw a mention of "server_tokens off;" but that just throws an error. |
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| 14:04 | <zeroday> | gtc, server tokens, set it to product |
| 14:04 | <zeroday> | iirc, that will just say apache |
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| 14:22 | <mwalling> | scott: buy == bad |
| 14:22 | <mwalling> | scott: mwalling == cheap |
| 14:23 | <scott> | heh |
| 14:24 | <mwalling> | dont want to buy anything, i dumpster dive or beg for all my equipment... |
| 14:24 | <mwalling> | if i started spending money, wife would get pissy :) |
| 14:24 | <scott> | do what i do... |
| 14:24 | <scott> | i hide all my spending... |
| 14:24 | <@linbot> | New news from forums: iptables+connlimit in Feature Request/Bug Report <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3165>; |
| 14:24 | <scott> | mwalling: you need a secret bank account... |
| 14:24 | <mwalling> | hehe |
| 14:25 | <mwalling> | got one |
| 14:25 | <mwalling> | not funded though |
| 14:25 | <gtc> | zeroday: Haha. Thanks. |
| 14:28 | <gtc> | zeroday: That's in the server{} section of your sites-available config file? Or in nginx.conf. |
| 14:28 | <zeroday> | httpd.conf? |
| 14:29 | <kvandivo> | anyone else having trouble getting to dallas? |
| 14:29 | <gtc> | zeroday: I'm not using Apache. Nginx. |
| 14:29 | <zeroday> | oh my bad, thought it was apache |
| 14:29 | <gtc> | kvandivo: Fine for me. |
| 14:29 | <zeroday> | no idea with nginx |
| 14:30 | <mwalling> | kvandivo: i'm talking to you from there |
| 14:30 | <kvandivo> | ok |
| 14:30 | <kvandivo> | must be a problem on my end |
| 14:30 | <scott> | pebkac |
| 14:30 | <mwalling> | scott: heh |
| 14:30 | <gtc> | zeroday: Ah, that's why I thought it was funny it'd report itself as "Apache." |
| 14:30 | <zeroday> | hehe |
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| 15:34 | * | Talman pops in, reads the back scroll, and has a feeling that the bank has paranoid anti-fraud controls on gymondo's end, possibly to protect itself from people. |
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| 15:35 | <path-> | i wonder why he doesn't have another cc number |
| 15:36 | <anderiv> | path-: not everyone needs to or desires to have more than one CC, myself included. |
| 15:37 | <bd_> | As I understand it, one's credit rating is (in part) based on the ratio of outstanding debt to available credit, so it doesn't hurt - as long as you don't let the balance roll over of course |
| 15:39 | <path-> | i don't like having lots of cc's.. but i have a cc and a bank debit card.. it's probably good to have a backup |
| 15:39 | <anderiv> | bd_: that's certainly one of the factors. Another factor, though, is how much credit you have access to. If it's too much, lenders can see that as a potential risk. |
| 15:43 | * | Talman has a bank card, a paypal card. |
| 15:43 | <Talman> | Also, one's credit rating is a numerical score reflecting the profitability of extending credit to someone. |
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| 15:50 | <tozz> | credit rating is laughable |
| 15:50 | <tozz> | I thought they were kidding when I had it explained when I arrived in the US |
| 15:51 | <Talman> | Except when you attempt to buy a house, get a job, rent an apartment, get a loan, buy a car... |
| 15:51 | <Talman> | Then it becomes rather important. |
| 15:51 | <anderiv> | Talman: heh - well put. |
| 15:51 | <tozz> | well it's only the US that uses a rather backward system as that |
| 15:51 | <@caker> | employers have ran credit checks on you? |
| 15:51 | <Talman> | Oh, I'm aware, tozz. |
| 15:51 | <anderiv> | tozz: what's backward about it? |
| 15:52 | <Talman> | I had a credit and background check every 6 months, caker. |
| 15:52 | <anderiv> | wow |
| 15:52 | <tozz> | you have to be in debt and then pay back to raise your score etc |
| 15:52 | <Talman> | Nope, tozz. |
| 15:52 | <tozz> | secured credit cards and other junk |
| 15:52 | <Talman> | More like: You have to make yourself profitable to the credit issuing agencies. |
| 15:53 | <tozz> | I could arrive in the US with a billion dollars and they would probably deny me a loan of $10k :p |
| 15:53 | <@linbot> | New news from forums: Best Firewall in General Discussion <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3169>; |
| 15:53 | <tozz> | just because my score is essentially zero |
| 15:53 | <Talman> | Somewhat, tozz. Banks and such are willing to over look no credit when you have lots of money. |
| 15:54 | <tozz> | here in .se you show them you have some savings, an employment and they to a checkup |
| 15:54 | <Talman> | You bring several hundred thousand to a bank, and they'll skipp all the checks. |
| 15:54 | <tozz> | hehe, yeah, ofc |
| 15:54 | <tozz> | to/do |
| 15:54 | <Talman> | Hell, even retail does credit checks now. |
| 15:55 | <tozz> | best thing was (wells fargo sucks donkey) when I got a letter saying my limit was $1000 per charge |
| 15:55 | <tozz> | I was like "wtf" |
| 15:55 | <tozz> | I can't shop with my own cash? |
| 15:55 | <Talman> | That's pretty standard. |
| 15:55 | <Talman> | Its supposed to be to deter fraud. |
| 15:55 | <tozz> | yeah... likely |
| 15:56 | <tozz> | and they use the non-chipped cards.. |
| 15:56 | <tozz> | it's retarded :) |
| 15:56 | <DeepInTheFire> | you can usually get that lifted in under a minute with a phone call |
| 15:56 | <Talman> | That's mainly because nobody supports the chips. |
| 15:56 | <tozz> | I asked at the bank and he was "NO, only the manager can do it, but he wont" |
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| 15:56 | <Talman> | Also, Americans are afraid of the smart chips in their cards. |
| 15:57 | <tozz> | they rather have the dumb magnetic strips that a five year old can copy? ;) |
| 15:57 | <DeepInTheFire> | five year old has to get his hands on the card first |
| 15:57 | <Talman> | Five year old has to get his hands on a mag copier. |
| 15:57 | <tozz> | DeepInTheFire: well.. let me put it like this, ATM's |
| 15:58 | <anderiv> | ...and even then, $owner is still not liable for fraudulent charges. |
| 15:58 | <tozz> | they're actually gonna stop using magnetic strips here |
| 15:58 | <tozz> | anderiv: ofc, but it's still a damn hassle |
| 15:58 | <Talman> | You hope, anderiv. :) |
| 15:59 | <tozz> | I just use two accounts and keep the one connected to the visa empty when I don't need it :p |
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| 15:59 | <bd_> | do the CC RFID stuff have protection against replay attacks? :/ |
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| 16:00 | <path-> | there's been a bunch of fraud around here using the mag strips.. someone keeps putting card readers on atm's in convenience stores |
| 16:00 | <path-> | they put them over top the one thats in the machine and it looks real apparently |
| 16:00 | <path-> | then they come by a few days later, take it off and sell all the numbers |
| 16:01 | <path-> | i have one card with rfid.. but it's only used at the gas pumps at one place.. same convenience store that has it's atm's targeted. the irony |
| 16:01 | * | Talman knows what to look for as far as the fake ATMs, and what systems are usually affected. :) |
| 16:01 | <arthurgeek> | Hi all! I'm getting trouble while exporting my MySQL database from Linode (using Ubuntu Server) and importing it on my Gentoo box. Even on my OS X box, I got problem too. The problem is with character sets. And I'm *really* sure there's no difference between the environment (no LANG/LC_ALL vars set up, and so on). I even got the MySQL datafiles and tried to use here, but I still get problems with encoding.. It uses utf8 in MySQL |
| 16:01 | <Talman> | Speedpass? |
| 16:02 | <path-> | no, chase |
| 16:02 | <path-> | the atm's aren't fake |
| 16:02 | <Talman> | Ah, Chase. |
| 16:02 | <path-> | their pnc bank atm's |
| 16:02 | <tozz> | path-: I don't think they're safe, just harder to copy |
| 16:02 | <Talman> | When someone sticks a box on a Triton, its now a fake ATM. :) |
| 16:02 | <path-> | they're pnc banks's.. |
| 16:03 | * | Talman generally doesn't touch the little tritons, they're only worth a few grand and are usually bought by retailers. |
| 16:03 | <Talman> | I don't know what a PNC bank is. But once someone sticks a card reader on the ATM, I don't consider it an ATM anymore. Its not giving you money. |
| 16:04 | <bd_> | Well, it gives you money |
| 16:04 | <bd_> | it just takes more than it dispenses |
| 16:05 | <path-> | http://www.delawareonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070203/NEWS/702030339/1006/NEWS |
| 16:05 | * | Talman has seen ones that aren't hooked up to the machine, ones that do a line tap on the phone, and ones that are a 100% real ATM but the owner stores your CC data and sells it. |
| 16:05 | <path-> | i think that was one of the first stories |
| 16:06 | <path-> | these were some reader with a slot that fit overtop of the existing card slot |
| 16:06 | <path-> | yea, with rfid.. the reader doesn't even have to touch the card |
| 16:07 | <path-> | but the chase card i have will only work if it's very close |
| 16:07 | <Talman> | He recommended that customers not use their PIN numbers, but swipe their debit cards like a credit card and sign a receipt. |
| 16:07 | <path-> | and it stopped working a few months ago.. now i just swipe it :) |
| 16:07 | <Talman> | Ofcourse he does. It costs his bank money every time you use an ATM network. |
| 16:07 | <path-> | and costs the retailers if you use credit, right? |
| 16:08 | <Talman> | Yeah. |
| 16:08 | <Talman> | Bank pays too, but less, I believe. |
| 16:08 | <Talman> | Retailers, obviously, have to pay as well. But the banks would reallylike it if you used credit. |
| 16:09 | <path-> | i usually only use my atm/debit card in bank atm's and use a cc for everything else |
| 16:09 | <path-> | or just cash |
| 16:09 | * | Talman keeps no cash, uses paypal or bank card for everything. |
| 16:10 | * | mwalling is similar to Talman |
| 16:10 | <mwalling> | when i carry cash, i spend it |
| 16:10 | <Talman> | Paypal has a 3.5-4.5% money market sweep. |
| 16:11 | <path-> | paypal isn't even a bank.. i've heard of some bad problems people have had with them |
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| 16:11 | <Talman> | If paypal was a bank, it'd cost 20 times as much and do a credit hit when opening an account. |
| 16:12 | <path-> | well, they sorta act like a bank |
| 16:12 | <Talman> | Perfect example of our credit reporting system at work: Hard credit hits for opening a savings account. |
| 16:12 | <path-> | but your money isn't protected and they aren't regulated like a bank |
| 16:12 | <Talman> | Right. |
| 16:13 | <mwalling> | which is why i dont keep a standing ballance in my paypal |
| 16:13 | <Talman> | They're just a payment processor. |
| 16:13 | <Talman> | That keeps your money. |
| 16:14 | <path-> | :) |
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| 16:20 | <guinea-pig> | haha PIN number |
| 16:23 | * | Talman doesn't want upwards of 5 bucks assessed for touching the debit key, so uses credit. |
| 16:24 | <mwalling> | ha |
| 16:24 | <mwalling> | i have free pin transactions |
| 16:24 | <mwalling> | and i get atm fees refunded |
| 16:25 | <guinea-pig> | what's an atm fee? |
| 16:25 | <guinea-pig> | you need better banks |
| 16:26 | <bd_> | guinea-pig: the ATM fees are assessed by the ATM's operator |
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| 16:26 | <guinea-pig> | that's why i stay with SUM networked banks |
| 16:26 | <fjhdz> | HELLO |
| 16:26 | <bd_> | well, if the fees are refunded, it hardly matters what network you're on :) |
| 16:26 | <guinea-pig> | there's a lot of them around here |
| 16:26 | <guinea-pig> | HELLO |
| 16:27 | <bd_> | ACK |
| 16:27 | <guinea-pig> | SYN |
| 16:27 | <fjhdz> | does anyone know if there is a problem with linode |
| 16:27 | <fjhdz> | all my sites are out |
| 16:27 | <Talman> | Is your linode on? |
| 16:27 | <bd_> | Well, mine's working. You'll need to be a bit more specific - what datacenter, host...? |
| 16:27 | <fjhdz> | yes |
| 16:28 | <Talman> | can you ssh into it? |
| 16:28 | <fjhdz> | no |
| 16:28 | <fjhdz> | cpu is up in the 90s |
| 16:28 | <Talman> | Would you like to tell us what host it is? |
| 16:28 | <fjhdz> | name? |
| 16:28 | <Talman> | dallas532523.linode.com, etc? |
| 16:28 | <bd_> | fjhdz: sounds like something's spinning on it - log into lish and see if there's something useful on the console, and/or do sysrq p |
| 16:29 | * | Talman nods to bd_, Linode's not down, your instance is in runaway. |
| 16:30 | <Talman> | * caker: What protections does linode have against an instance becoming rampant and trying to kill us all? * |
| 16:30 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 16:30 | <fjhdz> | lol |
| 16:30 | <guinea-pig> | nothing. you're all already dead. |
| 16:31 | <fjhdz> | don't know where my linode is Talman |
| 16:31 | <Talman> | * fjhdz: Go to your web control panel. * |
| 16:31 | <guinea-pig> | fjhdz: on your members page, the boxes to the right tell you what host you're on, /proc/cpuinfo tells you what host you're on |
| 16:31 | <Talman> | At linode.com/members |
| 16:31 | * | Talman nods. |
| 16:32 | <scott> | is that color?! |
| 16:32 | <scott> | my eyes! |
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