| --- | Log | opened Sat Mar 22 00:00:48 2008 |
| --- | Day | changed Sat Mar 22 2008 |
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| 02:55 | <@linbot> | New news from forums: CPU policy question pre-setup in General Discussion <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3167>; |
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| 04:39 | <jagga> | hi 2 all |
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| 04:51 | <jagga> | i need some consultation |
| 04:52 | <jagga> | what panel for host u can consei me? |
| 04:52 | <jagga> | free panel off-cause? |
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| 06:07 | <mechanix> | hello |
| 06:08 | <mechanix> | i am not sure if i am getting this right, but do i have an option to create a second VPS within single linode account? |
| 06:12 | <mechanix> | what i mean, is i haev 10 Gb of space and 360 Mb of ram and 2 IP addresses with linode360 account, is it possible to create 2 vps'es - splitting disk space, ram and assigning each a separate ip address? |
| 06:14 | <Hobbsee> | jagga: webmin, if you set it up |
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| 08:11 | <jagga> | Hobbsee tnx |
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| 10:05 | <mwalling> | so how resource hungry is asterisk on xen? |
| 10:20 | <npmr> | probably no different than on uml |
| 10:22 | <mwalling> | :/ |
| 10:26 | <@mikegrb> | mwalling: that is :> |
| 10:26 | <@mikegrb> | it works fine |
| 10:27 | <npmr> | asterisk 24798 0.0 0.9 30584 6468 ? Ssl Mar20 0:00 /usr/sbin/asterisk -p -U asterisk |
| 10:27 | <npmr> | ^-- on my node |
| 10:28 | <mwalling> | mikegrb: i too have google alert-fu |
| 10:28 | <mwalling> | the last one inspired me |
| 10:34 | <@mikegrb> | mwalling: <3 |
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| 12:00 | <zeroday> | mmm |
| 12:00 | <zeroday> | how can I make irssi *not* ignore my nickname in a message public? |
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| 12:13 | <zeroday> | found the solution |
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| 13:50 | <Sienna> | is it common for sshd to be spawning child threads with things like 'priv' or 'net' or such in them? I was in my node just now, and every time I ran ps the process ids of these child threads changed. Also, IPtraf was showing a high number of connections to port 22..... |
| 13:50 | <erikh> | Sienna: yes |
| 13:50 | <erikh> | you're probably getting spammed with ssh connections |
| 13:51 | <erikh> | either go key only (no passwords), or use one of those ssh monitors |
| 13:51 | <Sienna> | whats the best way to stop that? (I don't look in on my linode alot.... mostly its just a webserver) |
| 13:52 | <erikh> | i can't remember the name, but there are a few things that look for ssh connection floods and block them via iptables |
| 13:52 | <Sienna> | i will have to look into that then |
| 13:52 | <iggy> | there's something in the forums about it |
| 13:52 | <erikh> | the other option is to turn off keys and go passwordless |
| 13:52 | <iggy> | or a google search for "iptables block ssh brute force" would probably turn up some good stuff |
| 13:52 | <erikh> | which will not only give their bots hives, but will make your systems more secure, IMO |
| 13:53 | <Sienna> | yeah, i really need to spend some time hardening this system. Its just i don't enjoy server admining as much any more... never did really ;P |
| 13:54 | <Sienna> | but ssh keys, thats an easy step, and a good suggestion. Then I can turn sshd back on ;P |
| 13:56 | <Sienna> | whats the recomended key length nowadays? |
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| 13:58 | <erikh> | 2048 is what I still use |
| 13:58 | <erikh> | dunno if that's what's still preferable |
| 13:58 | <Sienna> | ok, thanks! |
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| 14:00 | <Sienna> | wb ondrej |
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| 14:13 | <Smark> | Hey all, it seems my linode has run away with itself, its been at between 80 and 100% CPU usage for a few hours now. Any way I can clear this up without restarting and try to find the culprit? |
| 14:13 | <erikh> | uh, top? |
| 14:14 | <Smark> | I cant log in via SSH |
| 14:14 | <erikh> | oh, can you get in via lish? |
| 14:14 | <Smark> | Lish keeps giving me a system rundown |
| 14:14 | <Smark> | CPU Usage, memory, it keeps updating itself |
| 14:14 | <erikh> | you can't attach to the screen that lish gives you? |
| 14:15 | <erikh> | if not, yeah, I'd say it's busted |
| 14:15 | <erikh> | rebooty |
| 14:15 | <Smark> | http://p.linode.com/636 |
| 14:15 | <Smark> | keeps going, cant type anything in the console either |
| 14:16 | <erikh> | yeah, sounds like a perl program you're using is the culprit |
| 14:16 | <erikh> | you're probably gonna have to bring it down |
| 14:16 | <@caker> | OOM |
| 14:16 | <Smark> | out of mem? |
| 14:16 | <@caker> | y |
| 14:16 | <erikh> | yes, that's hte oom-killer from the paste |
| 14:16 | <@caker> | Free swap = 0kB |
| 14:16 | <Smark> | ok, how can i find the culprit after its booted back up? |
| 14:16 | <erikh> | ps aux | grep perl |
| 14:16 | <erikh> | :) |
| 14:17 | <@caker> | you can't really, not without watching for it again beforehand |
| 14:17 | <erikh> | I'd probably find something that forks, or a CGI process or something like that |
| 14:17 | <erikh> | just going on what I saw in the paste |
| 14:17 | <Smark> | According to the CPU graph my linode usually runs between 5-15, but over the past 12 hours it slowly gained up to 100% |
| 14:17 | <@caker> | the OOM killer selects the best candidate to kill, but it may or may not be the processes that triggered the OOM killer in the first place |
| 14:18 | <Smark> | it was killing a httpd proccess |
| 14:18 | <erikh> | caker: good point |
| 14:19 | <Eman> | it needs to select init more often >:D |
| 14:19 | <erikh> | heh |
| 14:19 | <@caker> | heh .. pretty sure that one's excluded |
| 14:20 | <erikh> | it'd be nice if oom-killer said how much that process it killed had allocated |
| 14:21 | <iggy> | my guess... amavis |
| 14:21 | <@caker> | hmm .. one of the sysrqs may be useful |
| 14:22 | <erikh> | heh, does linux have something like malloc.conf these days? |
| 14:23 | <ondrej> | hi Sienna |
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| 14:57 | <@caker> | !avail |
| 14:57 | <@linbot> | caker: Linode360 - 9, Linode540 - 0, Linode720 - 0, Linode1080 - 0, Linode1440 - 0 |
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| 15:01 | <mwalling> | !avail-caker |
| 15:02 | <JDLSpeedy> | mwalling: 0 |
| 15:02 | <mwalling> | mikegrb: whats your echo test number? |
| 15:04 | * | mwalling tries one randomly |
| 15:05 | <mwalling> | huh... ekiga sucks |
| 15:09 | <mwalling> | wow... 2 laptops sitting next to each other, both over wireless... one running gizmo connected to my linode, one running ekiga connected to my linode... if i call linode's echo test line (at their office), the lag on ekiga feels like space tubes. if i call from gizmo (using secondary account (my linode)) its marginal lag |
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| 15:24 | <gyzmodo> | hello guys |
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| 15:33 | <path_> | hi |
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| 16:28 | <@linbot> | New news from forums: CFLAGS for Xenodes? in Performance and Tuning <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3142>; |
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| 17:31 | <kidbluz> | What is the expected ticket response time? |
| 17:31 | <mwalling> | depends on the time of day |
| 17:31 | <kidbluz> | I submitted one this morning and am awaiting a response. |
| 17:34 | <kidbluz> | Is there a policy on this? |
| 17:35 | <kidbluz> | I guess I'll just wait it out.. |
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| 17:36 | <@caker> | kidbluz: I took a look at your ticket .. that's not something that's really in the realm of what we provide support for |
| 17:36 | <@caker> | ... |
| 17:36 | <mwalling> | heh |
| 17:36 | <mwalling> | powned |
| 17:36 | <atourino> | did he want to set up a beaowulf cluster of lolcats? |
| 17:36 | <atourino> | :D |
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| 17:46 | * | zeroday pokes mikegrb |
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| 17:57 | <mwalling> | zeroday: more irssi woes? |
| 17:57 | <gyzmodo> | i've no idea |
| 17:57 | <gyzmodo> | why Linode.com declined my CC |
| 17:58 | <@caker> | We didn't decline it. Your bank did. |
| 17:58 | <@caker> | Call them, ask why they denied the transaction. |
| 17:58 | <mwalling> | gyzmodo: linode doesnt decline cards, they request authorization. your bank gives linode (more specificly their processor) a status code. |
| 17:58 | <gyzmodo> | i ask already |
| 17:58 | <gyzmodo> | they answer |
| 17:58 | <mwalling> | did they say |
| 17:59 | <mwalling> | "i dont see the transaction?" |
| 17:59 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 17:59 | <zeroday> | mwalling, naa, I made an improved version of his lol script :P |
| 17:59 | <gyzmodo> | that Linode.com's BANK doest send my CVV to my Bank |
| 17:59 | * | mwalling grumbles about his eee's keyboard being too small? |
| 17:59 | <zeroday> | the linode is right at the other end of the my screen, didnt notice the blue highlight |
| 17:59 | <zeroday> | * linode tab |
| 18:00 | <gyzmodo> | so how can I solve that problem? |
| 18:00 | <@caker> | CVV isn't required according to the specification .. I'm surprised they require it |
| 18:02 | <gyzmodo> | yesterday I bought hosting from A Small Orange |
| 18:02 | <gyzmodo> | and i dont see any problems |
| 18:03 | <gyzmodo> | hey |
| 18:04 | <gyzmodo> | can anybody help me? |
| 18:04 | <mwalling> | your bank? |
| 18:05 | <gyzmodo> | they said that problems with Hosting companies |
| 18:08 | <@caker> | gyzmodo: my only suggestion for you is to call your bank, and tell them to allow transactions without the CVV. From my understanding, they're obligated to do so |
| 18:09 | <gyzmodo> | okay |
| 18:09 | <gyzmodo> | huge thanks |
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| 18:09 | <@caker> | np |
| 18:09 | <gyzmodo> | i'll be back |
| 18:09 | <gyzmodo> | :) |
| 18:10 | <mwalling> | i have to do something similar with my bank, but for differnet reasons |
| 18:10 | * | mwalling grumbles about credit card fraud and parinoia and all sorts of other stuff |
| 18:10 | <gyzmodo> | bye guys |
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| 18:15 | <path_> | how can you tell which host you're on? |
| 18:16 | <@caker> | dashboard, right hand side, "Host Summary" |
| 18:16 | <@caker> | or, under a UML Linode, it's listed in /proc/cpuinfo |
| 18:16 | <path_> | thanks |
| 18:17 | <path_> | something else i was curious about.. the dns manager under the dash board.. |
| 18:18 | <path_> | you can upload zone files and linode will host your dns? |
| 18:18 | <path_> | or is that something else? |
| 18:18 | <@caker> | you can through an AXFR from an existing nameserver |
| 18:19 | <path_> | i suppose thats recommended over running bind |
| 18:19 | <mwalling> | i run bind and use linode's dns |
| 18:19 | <path_> | use linode's as a secondary? |
| 18:19 | <mwalling> | yep |
| 18:19 | <@caker> | There are a number of ways to set it up -- that's what it's so cool :) |
| 18:20 | <path_> | i like to edit those files myself.. |
| 18:20 | <path_> | :) |
| 18:20 | <@caker> | well, here's an option: Set up a "slave" zone in the DNS manager, and point it to your nameserver |
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| 18:21 | <mwalling> | and dont tell your registrar that your linode is also a dns server |
| 18:21 | <path_> | i've been using the acls in bind now for awhile to prevent transfers.. is there a mask i can use for linode's servers? |
| 18:21 | <@caker> | right |
| 18:22 | <path_> | should i list those three that were on the website somewhere? |
| 18:22 | <mwalling> | !dns ns1.linode.com |
| 18:22 | <@linbot> | mwalling: 69.93.127.10 |
| 18:22 | <mwalling> | !dns ns2.linode.com |
| 18:22 | <@linbot> | mwalling: 65.19.178.10 |
| 18:22 | <@caker> | allow-transfer { 69.93.127.10; 65.19.178.10; }; |
| 18:22 | <path_> | :) |
| 18:22 | <@caker> | mwalling: ^5 |
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| 18:31 | <melon> | Hi, I'm just interested in how much do I have to wait for account activation on linode.com after signup? |
| 18:31 | <path_> | mine was setup in minutes |
| 18:32 | <atourino> | if caker is still around, about 2 minutes |
| 18:32 | <atourino> | :D |
| 18:32 | <melon> | ok, it got just activated :) |
| 18:32 | <melon> | thanks |
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| 18:39 | <path_> | so i'm curious how people handle upgrades and stuff |
| 18:40 | <path_> | i'm guessing it would be best to create seperate home and /var/www partitions |
| 18:40 | <path_> | well, i meant if i wanted to reinstall the whole deal |
| 18:40 | <path_> | not just updates |
| 18:41 | <path_> | reinstall? |
| 18:41 | <path_> | what happens when distros aren't current anymore? |
| 18:42 | <path_> | i wasn't sure if some files were shared or something |
| 18:42 | <path_> | so once the linode is installed, it's like a copied premade image |
| 18:44 | <path_> | do you leave some space free or use seperate partitions for data? |
| 18:44 | <path_> | i'm just thinking about having space to move things around if needed |
| 18:45 | <path_> | yea, i'm not really worried about corruption |
| 18:45 | <@caker> | path_: you can resize ext3 disk images using the linode manager |
| 18:45 | <path_> | i saw that |
| 18:45 | <mwalling> | caker: if i cant move, i'll at least help :) |
| 18:46 | <path_> | well, i might be growing a partition in a bit |
| 18:46 | <path_> | :) |
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| 19:09 | <path_> | so, i see some notes about not updating the kernel.. what happens when there are security bugs, how do you update to a linode kernel? |
| 19:09 | <path_> | i hope that makes sense |
| 19:10 | <mwalling> | yes |
| 19:10 | <@caker> | Linode releases a new one, you reboot |
| 19:10 | <@caker> | done. |
| 19:10 | <mwalling> | when the vmslice came out caker had a new kernel by the end of the day (or pretty soon after) |
| 19:10 | <path_> | so, it's not pulled from a /boot type parition like normal servers? you have one kernel on the host? |
| 19:10 | <@caker> | there's more than one, but yeah -- they're outside of your VM |
| 19:11 | <path_> | and it just gets arguments for each user |
| 19:11 | <path_> | cool |
| 19:11 | <@caker> | cat /proc/cmdline :) |
| 19:11 | <path_> | it's a very nice setup |
| 19:11 | <@caker> | thanks! |
| 19:11 | <path_> | i'm pretty impressed |
| 19:11 | <mwalling> | caker: yeah, thanks! |
| 19:11 | <@caker> | just wait! |
| 19:11 | <@caker> | I got something pretty cool cooking |
| 19:12 | <mwalling> | which idea is this one? |
| 19:12 | <@caker> | I have no idea what you're talking about. |
| 19:12 | <path_> | in my normal job, i do a lot with vmware vi... so i've got a little experience with running vm's just from a different perspective |
| 19:12 | <mwalling> | bastard |
| 19:12 | <path_> | but the integration of the dashboard is really nice |
| 19:13 | <path_> | i haven't gone around and tried all kinds of hosting sites to compare or anything.. but i had heard lots of good things from people |
| 19:15 | <@caker> | Is it wrong for me to be annoyed that people apply for a Linux job by sending a .doc ? |
| 19:15 | <mwalling> | HAHA |
| 19:16 | <mwalling> | actually, no, since the HR weenies in the world have made it an industry standard |
| 19:16 | <path_> | i saw one place put txt files only |
| 19:16 | <path_> | on the posting |
| 19:16 | <zeroday> | reply by sending them a bash script that tells them they didnt get the job |
| 19:16 | <@caker> | path_: yeah -- regretting I didn't say something |
| 19:17 | <@caker> | zeroday: hehe |
| 19:17 | <path_> | maybe it's a good way to filter them out anyhow |
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| 19:32 | <atourino> | pdf is the new doc |
| 19:32 | <atourino> | :) |
| 19:32 | <atourino> | hehe |
| 19:33 | <atourino> | in the sense that it should be the new standard |
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| 19:39 | <bd_> | Isn't it documented and a standard (in some sense of the word) already? |
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| 21:19 | <path_> | i was curious about people doing the xen beta.. is there a way to migrate your files, or do you need to create a new one and restore your data? |
| 21:20 | <mwalling> | no, your host image is migrated |
| 21:20 | <mwalling> | its seamless to you except for a smidge of downtime |
| 21:20 | <path_> | neat |
| 21:23 | <guinea-pig> | errr, and ubd->xvd change in fstab... the helper takes care of that, though, right? |
| 21:23 | <mwalling> | guinea-pig: afaik, i never migrated |
| 21:23 | <sveiss__> | it did for me |
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| 21:23 | <mwalling> | i just jumpped up and down and stomped my feet until i got a xen |
| 21:24 | <guinea-pig> | yeah. i never migrated either |
| 21:24 | <path_> | maybe people migrating? |
| 21:24 | <path_> | i guess not |
| 21:24 | <path_> | heh |
| 21:24 | <guinea-pig> | well, i've migrated a bunch of times, but not UML->Xen |
| 21:26 | <path_> | any advertised differences? |
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| 21:54 | <chesty> | i when from uml to xen, just had to shutdown and start the process on the web interface, then boot. it just worked |
| 21:54 | <path_> | i saw mention of not using the io token thing |
| 21:55 | <path_> | is it common to hit that quota? |
| 21:55 | <iggy> | there is no i/o limiter on xen no |
| 21:55 | <iggy> | for some people |
| 21:55 | <iggy> | it was a lot worse of a problem back in the day when the small plan was a linode64 |
| 21:56 | <path_> | i imagine |
| 21:57 | <path_> | i'm wondering about using a linode for mail services for a client |
| 21:57 | <path_> | my bigger concern is storage space |
| 21:57 | <iggy> | we do for about 5 of our clients + us |
| 21:57 | <path_> | i'm sorta tempted to setup something in their office and just use a linode as a MX and do the spam and av filtering there |
| 21:58 | <path_> | how many users? |
| 21:58 | <iggy> | that's what we do |
| 21:58 | <iggy> | it doesn't actually retain any mail |
| 21:58 | <path_> | yea |
| 21:58 | <path_> | just queuing and filtering.. makes sense |
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| 21:59 | <path_> | that way if their site is down.. people mailing them don't get bounces or anything |
| 21:59 | <iggy> | and their outgoing mail goes through it too |
| 22:00 | <path_> | do you do your own mail on the linode? |
| 22:00 | <path_> | i'm wondering if i should worry about io's and what mail server to use |
| 22:01 | <iggy> | it doesn't retain any mail |
| 22:01 | <iggy> | well, that one doesn't |
| 22:01 | <iggy> | my personal one has all my mail + my brothers + a friend + that friends dad's psych practice |
| 22:01 | <path_> | well, i was thinking about the filtering thing for a client.. i want to setup an imap service on my linode for just me |
| 22:02 | <iggy> | I use postfix+dovecot... it works fine |
| 22:02 | <iggy> | no problems with i/o |
| 22:02 | <iggy> | checking mail is fast |
| 22:02 | <path_> | that's what one of my coworkers uses.. dovecot |
| 22:03 | <path_> | we use imap at my work.. great for lots of users.. but i just want something simple |
| 22:03 | <path_> | i think i'm going to try dovecot out |
| 22:03 | <iggy> | it's about the most simple imap server I've used |
| 22:03 | <iggy> | well, I guess technically exchange was a bit easier to setup |
| 22:03 | <path_> | point and click? |
| 22:04 | <iggy> | but we don't all have boxes with an extra 2.5G of ram sitting around |
| 22:04 | <path_> | no |
| 22:04 | <iggy> | gotta pay the bills somehow you know |
| 22:05 | <path_> | some microsoft sales drone wanted us to replace cyrus with exchange.. said we'd need four quad servers |
| 22:05 | <path_> | we have one dual running cyrus and and older dual running clamav |
| 22:05 | <path_> | and the second one is mostly just to queue mail |
| 22:05 | <path_> | it's insane |
| 22:06 | <path_> | and the cost per user |
| 22:06 | <iggy> | yeah |
| 22:06 | <path_> | i guess for some small businesses it's ok if you get a package |
| 22:07 | <iggy> | that's what most of our clients are |
| 22:08 | <path_> | the google apps thing doesn't seem to bad either |
| 22:08 | <Aero187> | i use the google apps package for my domain.. it rocks |
| 22:08 | <path_> | but i already feel like i put too much trust in google already |
| 22:09 | <path_> | my coworker told me that i sold my sole to google |
| 22:09 | <path_> | soul |
| 22:09 | <path_> | heh |
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| 22:33 | <m0unds_> | http://deadspin.com/370253/whats-half-a-years-salary-for-an-image-that-lasts-a-lifetime WHY???? |
| 22:43 | <Talman> | waste down. |
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| 22:50 | <webPragmatist> | wow |
| 22:52 | <webPragmatist> | that's nuts! |
| 22:52 | <webPragmatist> | pun intended! |
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| 23:54 | * | Hobbsee taps fingers on the table. |
| 23:55 | <Hobbsee> | oh, here we go |
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