| --- | Log | opened Thu Mar 20 00:00:15 2008 |
| --- | Day | changed Thu Mar 20 2008 |
| 00:00 | <bd_> | TofuMatt: reset |
| 00:00 | <bd_> | (the command, reset) |
| 00:01 | <TofuMatt> | :) Yeah, I was just mentioning because Xeno was mentioning problems |
| 00:01 | <TofuMatt> | No sweat here |
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| 00:03 | <asdfster> | how well does ispconfig work on linodes? i havent seen much information on it |
| 00:04 | <Xenofox> | guess it only hapens on lish, guess i'll keep ssh enabled now |
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| 00:04 | <lucca> | mwalling: it's outputting unicode dashes to a terminal expecting iso-8859-1 |
| 00:05 | <lucca> | oh, you're answering |
| 00:05 | <lucca> | n/m |
| 00:05 | <mwalling> | aye, and that terminal is lish i think, not putty |
| 00:15 | * | iggy kicks amavis in the junk |
| 00:16 | <mwalling> | ow |
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| 00:21 | <iggy> | so here's a question |
| 00:21 | <iggy> | do I need amavisd and spamd both running? |
| 00:23 | <mwalling> | i dont think s |
| 00:24 | <mwalling> | afaik, amavis calls SA on its own |
| 00:24 | <TofuMatt> | It does |
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| 00:31 | <Satan> | anyone awake? |
| 00:31 | * | TofuMatt is. |
| 00:31 | <TofuMatt> | What's up? |
| 00:31 | <iggy> | I wish I wasn't |
| 00:31 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 00:31 | <TofuMatt> | lol |
| 00:31 | <Satan> | well just signed up for a vps |
| 00:31 | <TofuMatt> | Well aboard :-) |
| 00:31 | <TofuMatt> | *welcome |
| 00:31 | <Satan> | was recommended by someone that rates your services highly |
| 00:33 | * | Satan all new to the vps world so this will be a learning experence for me |
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| 00:34 | <Satan> | just figured let you guys know you must do a good job if got people recommend your services to others |
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| 00:36 | <iggy> | that's how linode gets all their business |
| 00:36 | <iggy> | they don't really advertise |
| 00:36 | <Satan> | oh |
| 00:36 | * | Satan didn.t know this |
| 00:36 | <iggy> | and with the number of clients they have, that's certainly saying a lot |
| 00:36 | <Satan> | yeah channel is good size |
| 00:37 | <iggy> | nobody knows for sure, but I'd guess they have about 5-6x as many clients as there are users here |
| 00:38 | <Satan> | yeah probally do atleast |
| 00:38 | <Satan> | my buddy told me about it |
| 00:38 | <webPragmatist> | only real competitors are vpsfarm and slicehost |
| 00:38 | <Satan> | so i thought i would try it |
| 00:38 | <webPragmatist> | slicehost has better articles, vpsfarm has better prices but don't offer different server lcoations |
| 00:38 | <webPragmatist> | locations* |
| 00:39 | <Satan> | i thought prices was reasonable |
| 00:39 | <Satan> | i got the small one though |
| 00:39 | <webPragmatist> | they are just not the BEST EVER |
| 00:39 | <webPragmatist> | actually I think vpsfarm ahs less memory |
| 00:39 | <Satan> | well if you want good service some times cheapest not the best too |
| 00:39 | <webPragmatist> | has* on their lower deal |
| 00:40 | * | TofuMatt was also referred to Linode by a friend. |
| 00:40 | <webPragmatist> | but for 39.99 vps farm gives tou 1024 |
| 00:40 | <webPragmatist> | and unlimited bandwidth |
| 00:40 | <Satan> | 1024 what |
| 00:40 | <webPragmatist> | memory |
| 00:40 | <Satan> | oh |
| 00:40 | <Satan> | you need alot of ram i take it |
| 00:41 | <iggy> | I'm guessing it's like most shared hosters that do that kind of stuff |
| 00:41 | <schmichael> | unlimited bandwidth? yikes |
| 00:41 | <schmichael> | i don't want to be in the same datacenter as those people |
| 00:41 | <webPragmatist> | schmichael: well it's metered |
| 00:41 | <iggy> | the only way they can keep prices that low is the service is so horrible |
| 00:41 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 00:41 | <Satan> | lol |
| 00:41 | <webPragmatist> | meaning you get unlimited but only at 5mbpis |
| 00:41 | <TofuMatt> | Linode's prices are crazy low too... |
| 00:42 | <TofuMatt> | but yeah, $40 for 1024 is insane |
| 00:42 | <Satan> | ircd servers aloud right |
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| 00:42 | <TofuMatt> | at Linode? |
| 00:42 | <Satan> | yeah |
| 00:42 | <webPragmatist> | Satan: and no i use linode because i like picking my datacenter :) |
| 00:42 | <TofuMatt> | You can run anything as long as it's not illegal/spamming |
| 00:42 | <Satan> | spamming |
| 00:42 | <TofuMatt> | The Atlantic datacenter blocks some ports... 6667 is one of them, but you can still run IRC, just not on 6667 |
| 00:43 | <Satan> | hmm |
| 00:43 | <Satan> | oh shoot |
| 00:43 | <webPragmatist> | if any of my sites ever do get bigger and start maxing out my bandwidth I will start using vpsfarm most likely |
| 00:43 | <TofuMatt> | I don't know how many people run an IRC server, but you can and I'm sure some do |
| 00:43 | <TofuMatt> | Satan: what? |
| 00:43 | <Satan> | cant run port 6667 so you pick a different port is all |
| 00:43 | * | Satan kind of new to it |
| 00:43 | <iggy> | you can also try to switch datacenters |
| 00:43 | <iggy> | !avail-all |
| 00:43 | <@linbot> | Atlanta360 - 23, Atlanta540 - 0, Atlanta720 - 0, Atlanta1080 - 0, Atlanta1440 - 0 | Dallas360 - 18, Dallas540 - 0, Dallas720 - 0, Dallas1080 - 0, Dallas1440 - 0 | Fremont360 - 0, Fremont540 - 1, Fremont720 - 0, Fremont1080 - 0, Fremont1440 - 0 |
| 00:43 | <TofuMatt> | You can ask to be moved to a different datacenter if you want |
| 00:44 | <TofuMatt> | :) |
| 00:44 | <Satan> | oh nice |
| 00:44 | * | Satan lives in a town of fremont |
| 00:44 | <Satan> | small town |
| 00:44 | <bd_> | note: avail-all is broken |
| 00:45 | <bd_> | !avail-atlanta |
| 00:45 | <bd_> | !avail-dallas |
| 00:45 | <@linbot> | bd_: Atlanta360 - 6, Atlanta540 - 0, Atlanta720 - 0, Atlanta1080 - 0, Atlanta1440 - 0 |
| 00:45 | <@linbot> | bd_: Dallas360 - 36, Dallas540 - 0, Dallas720 - 0, Dallas1080 - 0, Dallas1440 - 0 |
| 00:45 | <bd_> | !avail-fremont |
| 00:45 | <@linbot> | bd_: Fremont360 - 0, Fremont540 - 0, Fremont720 - 0, Fremont1080 - 0, Fremont1440 - 0 |
| 00:45 | <Satan> | not sure what all to do with it yet |
| 00:45 | <Satan> | but should be a nice toy to play with |
| 00:45 | <Satan> | site said expermenting was recommended |
| 00:45 | * | Satan has alot of that to do |
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| 00:47 | * | Satan learns by doing it hard to tell me something and for me to learn it |
| 00:48 | * | Satan will wait for the order to process but you all have a nice night and must be something good to get people recommending you to others |
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| 00:48 | <booja> | what? |
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| 01:10 | <TofuMatt> | haha |
| 01:10 | * | TofuMatt falls over into bed. |
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| 01:55 | <Talman> | Hmm. Anyone online? |
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| 02:25 | <booja> | nope |
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| 02:37 | <praetorian> | !avail |
| 02:37 | <@linbot> | praetorian: Linode360 - 39, Linode540 - 0, Linode720 - 0, Linode1080 - 0, Linode1440 - 0 |
| 02:37 | <praetorian> | better |
| 02:37 | <praetorian> | (then !avail-all) :P |
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| 02:52 | <bd_> | someone needs to unalias !avail-all, it's sheer lies now :) |
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| 03:03 | <Intern[a]t> | !avail-all |
| 03:03 | <@linbot> | Atlanta360 - 23, Atlanta540 - 0, Atlanta720 - 0, Atlanta1080 - 0, Atlanta1440 - 0 | Dallas360 - 18, Dallas540 - 0, Dallas720 - 0, Dallas1080 - 0, Dallas1440 - 0 | Fremont360 - 0, Fremont540 - 1, Fremont720 - 0, Fremont1080 - 0, Fremont1440 - 0 |
| 03:03 | <Intern[a]t> | so why is it lying? |
| 03:04 | <Intern[a]t> | touche it is slightly different |
| 03:07 | <bd_> | Intern[a]t: because the alias creation substituted in the text for all the availabilities /at that time/, rather than substing in the commands |
| 03:15 | <@mikegrb> | mmm cake |
| 03:15 | <booja> | cake |
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| 03:48 | <booja> | have a good weekend ya'll |
| 03:48 | <booja> | I'm outta here :D |
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| 05:28 | <Intern[a]t> | ne uml type people arround? im corious to know wtf i did wrong to orginalyl setup uml at home to use /dev/ubd/{0-2} rather then /dev/ubd{a-c} |
| 05:28 | <Intern[a]t> | and how the hell do i fix it |
| 06:41 | <JDLSpeedy> | i think its something to do with the udev rules |
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| 07:41 | <Intern[a]t> | 10 points to JDLSpeedy :) |
| 07:41 | <Intern[a]t> | u have won the internet! |
| 07:42 | <webPragmatist> | oh did i miss the game of internet life |
| 07:42 | * | webPragmatist throws his dice on the ground and stomps away |
| 07:43 | <Intern[a]t> | yes |
| 07:43 | <Intern[a]t> | however the next round is starting soon. |
| 07:43 | <Intern[a]t> | web 2 ;) |
| 07:46 | <Intern[a]t> | although i am trying to work out if udb{a-c} could be considered the raw device then put a partition structure over the top of it |
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| 08:23 | <@linbot> | New news from forums: VPS energy usage / carbon footprint in General Discussion <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3164>; |
| 08:23 | <mwalling> | *HEADDESK |
| 08:24 | <mwalling> | i dont even want to know |
| 08:24 | <@caker> | heh |
| 08:24 | * | caker makes a channel-sized pot of coffee |
| 08:25 | * | mwalling sets mode/#linode +q mwalling!*@* (to prevent a eco rant) |
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| 09:06 | -!- | Irssi: #linode: Total of 114 nicks [4 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 110 normal] |
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| 09:11 | <@linbot> | New news from forums: referrals? in Sales Questions and Answers <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3075>; |
| 09:11 | <sobersabre> | hi guys. |
| 09:11 | <sobersabre> | I am currently using 380 linode plan. |
| 09:11 | <waster> | hello everyone...8) Can somebody help me to find out the answer on one linode iptables question? |
| 09:11 | <@caker> | waster: sure |
| 09:11 | <mwalling> | waster: shoot |
| 09:11 | <waster> | about connlimit |
| 09:11 | <sobersabre> | waster: why won't you ask the question and see if it gets answered... |
| 09:12 | <waster> | ok..Was playing with te iptables and suddenly had the problem: |
| 09:12 | <waster> | I'v tried to add the following rule to limit number of connections to 80 port: |
| 09:12 | <waster> | -A INPUT -p tcp --syn --dport 80 -m connlimit --connlimit-above 5 -j REJECT |
| 09:12 | <waster> | and get the error |
| 09:12 | <waster> | kernel: ip_tables: connlimit match: invalid size 32 != 16 |
| 09:13 | <waster> | did zcat /proc/config.gz | grep -i connlimit |
| 09:13 | <waster> | and get CONFIG_NETFILTER_XT_MATCH_CONNLIMIT=y |
| 09:13 | <waster> | I guess connlimit is supported on linode |
| 09:13 | <waster> | OS: Debian |
| 09:13 | <waster> | iptables 1.3.0 |
| 09:14 | <waster> | opps |
| 09:14 | <waster> | 1.3.6 |
| 09:15 | <mwalling> | waster: did you post this to the forum? |
| 09:15 | <mwalling> | (i'm trying to remember where i saw it) |
| 09:17 | <@caker> | I vote bug |
| 09:17 | <@linbot> | New news from forums: No console login after booting latest kernel [SOLVED] in General Discussion <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3163>; |
| 09:18 | <Hobbsee> | sobersabre: 360 != 380? or we've got more ram? |
| 09:20 | <waster> | yep, I've posted it to the forum |
| 09:20 | <waster> | np wanswer |
| 09:20 | <mwalling> | yeah, the forum is the second hit on google |
| 09:21 | <sobersabre> | Hobbsee: you're right. |
| 09:21 | <sobersabre> | :) |
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| 09:41 | <Toranin> | I'm getting filesystem errors on my Xen linode after it's been running for awhile -- it's happened repeatedly, but rebooting seems to get things running again |
| 09:41 | <Toranin> | is this a known issue? |
| 09:41 | <@caker> | Toranin: hello -- no, first I've heard of it |
| 09:41 | <sobersabre> | what fs ? |
| 09:41 | <guinea-pig> | not that i've heard. what filesystem? |
| 09:41 | <Toranin> | ext3 |
| 09:41 | <guinea-pig> | interesting |
| 09:41 | <sobersabre> | what errors ? |
| 09:41 | <Toranin> | hmm |
| 09:41 | <@caker> | Toranin: you sure your filesystem just doesn't require an fsck? Maybe something got botched along the way |
| 09:42 | <Toranin> | it gets fsck'd when I reboot |
| 09:42 | <Toranin> | which fixes things...for awhile |
| 09:42 | <sobersabre> | Toranin: what errors you are getting ? |
| 09:42 | <Toranin> | sobersabre: working on that |
| 09:42 | <Toranin> | it remounts r/o after the first error so I dunno how much I have in the way of logs |
| 09:42 | <sobersabre> | what distro ? |
| 09:43 | <@caker> | I'd boot into init=/bin/bash mode, and force an fsck |
| 09:43 | <Toranin> | Debian testing |
| 09:43 | <Toranin> | caker: will do as soon as I check if I can get you guys the errmsh |
| 09:43 | <Toranin> | er, msg |
| 09:43 | <sobersabre> | hmm.. errmsh :) |
| 09:43 | <sobersabre> | I |
| 09:43 | <sobersabre> | errmish |
| 09:44 | <@caker> | errbody in the club get tipsy |
| 09:44 | <sobersabre> | Toranin: are you reading /var/log/dmesg ? |
| 09:44 | <Toranin> | sobersabre: yeah, first thing I checked -- nothing there |
| 09:44 | <sobersabre> | is there a way to look at hypervisor level ... |
| 09:44 | <sobersabre> | ? |
| 09:45 | <sobersabre> | to see if there one can see anything suspicious. |
| 09:45 | <Toranin> | it dumps the errors to the console, but doesn't log them because the FS is already read-only when the messages are issued |
| 09:45 | <Toranin> | I'll force an fsck and come back here with the messages if it happens again |
| 09:45 | <@caker> | Toranin: logview command via Lish |
| 09:45 | <mwalling> | logvie... |
| 09:45 | <Toranin> | caker: will check that |
| 09:45 | <sobersabre> | Toranin: have you booted to lish ? |
| 09:45 | <mwalling> | what caker said |
| 09:45 | <sobersabre> | hmm |
| 09:45 | <sobersabre> | I am lagged :( |
| 09:46 | <Toranin> | it shows the errors...but then immediately drops me back to the lish prompt...? |
| 09:46 | <Toranin> | EXT3-fs error (device xvdc): ext3_readdir: bad entry in directory #205830: rec_len is smaller than minimal - offset=0, inode=0, rec_len=0, name_len=0 |
| 09:46 | <Toranin> | there we go |
| 09:47 | <sobersabre> | ok, back to my Q.: I need to run: postgres [not-so-big one db of sev. megs Bytes], web server to serve php5, trac and svn. |
| 09:47 | <Toranin> | identical lines to that make up most of the log contents |
| 09:47 | <sobersabre> | Toranin: what is the exact fstab line of this entry (/dev/xvdc) ? |
| 09:48 | <Toranin> | sobersabre: sec |
| 09:48 | <Toranin> | rebooting with init=/bin/bash for forced fsck, will get you that in a second |
| 09:48 | <sobersabre> | Toranin: what applications are you using, btw |
| 09:49 | <sobersabre> | I've also moved to Xen, and I want to know what usage patterns will put me into the trouble. |
| 09:49 | <@caker> | I doubt this is a Xen specific issue |
| 09:50 | <Toranin> | not much right now -- I'm just using it as a personal mail-server -- exim3/mutt/finch/vncserver/firefox/w3m |
| 09:50 | <Toranin> | I intend to set up a website there at some point but there's no httpd yet |
| 09:50 | <Toranin> | procmail |
| 09:51 | <Toranin> | /dev/xvdc /home ext3 defaults 1 1 |
| 09:51 | <sobersabre> | hmm... |
| 09:51 | <sobersabre> | ok |
| 09:52 | <Toranin> | fsck run shows things as being okay right now |
| 09:53 | <Toranin> | http://p.linode.com/635 is the output if you care, but it's pretty standard |
| 09:55 | <sobersabre> | I don't know how strictly linux keeps dump/pass... but maybe you should be defaults 0 2 |
| 09:55 | <sobersabre> | or defaults 0 1 |
| 09:55 | <@linbot> | New news from forums: iptables+connlimit in Feature Request/Bug Report <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3165>; |
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| 09:58 | <Toranin> | sobersabre: will adjust |
| 10:02 | <sobersabre> | Toranin: the thing is I think you should exactly read this part of the manpages, and conclude. I suspect it simply does backups when it shouldn't, fails (e.g. timeout) because the disk is not exactly yours all the time |
| 10:02 | <@linbot> | New news from forums: iptables+connlimit in Linux Networking <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3162>; |
| 10:02 | <sobersabre> | btw, what is the disk configuration of the Xenified nodes ? |
| 10:02 | <sobersabre> | caker: is this Q. in the FAQ ? |
| 10:03 | <mwalling> | sobersabre: huh? |
| 10:03 | <sobersabre> | mwalling: what "huh".. ? |
| 10:03 | <@caker> | hardware raid 1 |
| 10:03 | <sobersabre> | caker: what interface ? S-ATA or SCSI or ... something faster ? |
| 10:04 | <@caker> | SATA2 |
| 10:04 | <sobersabre> | ok.. so, what's the total throughput such disk allows ? |
| 10:05 | <@caker> | single thread reads are in the 80MB/sec range |
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| 10:05 | <rick111> | ;D |
| 10:05 | <@caker> | I forget what writes are .. prob about the same with voodoo caching and all |
| 10:05 | <sobersabre> | ok... and all these 80MB/s are spread between the domN's |
| 10:06 | <sobersabre> | how many "vm"s are on 1 such disk ? |
| 10:06 | <sobersabre> | 8 ? |
| 10:06 | <@caker> | but, those numbers are meaningless .. no workload is single thread on our systems |
| 10:06 | <sobersabre> | caker: the thing is that each application (if smart enough) has an i/o pool. |
| 10:06 | <sobersabre> | but several would compete. |
| 10:07 | <sobersabre> | still, how many virtualized systems reside on one such storage ? |
| 10:07 | <@caker> | http://www.linode.com/faq.cfm#how-many-linodes-share-a-host |
| 10:07 | <sobersabre> | ok thanks! |
| 10:07 | <@caker> | You're not going to figure this out :) |
| 10:07 | <@caker> | seeking kills |
| 10:07 | <@caker> | workloads differ |
| 10:07 | <sobersabre> | yes. |
| 10:08 | <sobersabre> | but you can do the "layman's maths" |
| 10:08 | <mwalling> | SUPAFAST! |
| 10:08 | <sobersabre> | ok. so "no more than 40" :) is a lot. |
| 10:08 | <sobersabre> | Toranin: are you with us ? |
| 10:12 | <sobersabre> | mwalling: what was the "SUPAFAST!" about ? |
| 10:12 | <sobersabre> | :) |
| 10:12 | <mwalling> | thats how fast the drives are :) |
| 10:12 | <@linbot> | New news from forums: Policy on Running Tor Exit Nodes in Sales Questions and Answers <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3082>; |
| 10:14 | <Toranin> | sobersabre: stepped away for a sec |
| 10:15 | <sobersabre> | Toranin: we've discussed a little bit about the disk I/O on xen system.. |
| 10:15 | <Toranin> | I did some google searches and have a few debugfs things to try if my issues re-occurs. I can at least find out what the problem file/directory is, since it seems to be only one |
| 10:16 | <sobersabre> | Is it the spool ? |
| 10:16 | <sobersabre> | :) |
| 10:16 | <Toranin> | sobersabre: maildir, there's no single spool |
| 10:16 | <sobersabre> | ~ok |
| 10:16 | <atourino> | hey caker, tasaro, mikegrb... do linodes have any sort of traffic shaping? I noticed that when I upload a bigger file via FTP, for example, on some other vps provider's server, I get an initial burst and then slowly drops down the upload rate... I ask because I didnt have that on my previous dedicated server, and now that I moved my clients to this other vps, they noticed this behavior... |
| 10:16 | <sobersabre> | samesame. |
| 10:16 | <@caker> | atourino: no |
| 10:16 | <sobersabre> | Toranin: the point of the discussion was that when you're on a shared (even though VPS) you share disk I/O with other people. |
| 10:17 | <atourino> | ok |
| 10:17 | <sobersabre> | and if the whole system's throughput is 80MB/s |
| 10:17 | <atourino> | cool |
| 10:17 | <atourino> | then I might move them to a shiny new linode vps |
| 10:17 | <atourino> | :D |
| 10:17 | <sobersabre> | and you share it with say 30 other machines... |
| 10:17 | <sobersabre> | Toranin: do the math... |
| 10:17 | <iggy> | you could always pay for your own colo'ed server |
| 10:18 | <Toranin> | *nods* still, slow throughput or even a hanged I/O operation shouldn't cause filesystem corruption |
| 10:18 | <sobersabre> | iggy: I don't need one. |
| 10:18 | <sobersabre> | Toranin: depends.\ |
| 10:18 | <@caker> | ... |
| 10:18 | <iggy> | nothing should cause fs corruption |
| 10:19 | <sobersabre> | cannot hanged I/O cause fs corruption ? |
| 10:19 | <iggy> | if it did, it's a bug |
| 10:19 | <sobersabre> | :) |
| 10:20 | <iggy> | but no, that's not something that's known to cause fs corruption |
| 10:22 | <sobersabre> | I mean, the hvm runs not on a real device. |
| 10:23 | <sobersabre> | it runs inside an "image", which is a file inside anothe fs. |
| 10:23 | <@linbot> | New news from forums: Great Uptime! in Customer Testimonials <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3166>; |
| 10:23 | <sobersabre> | right ? |
| 10:23 | <iggy> | it's lvm |
| 10:23 | <iggy> | the guests access raw devices |
| 10:23 | <sobersabre> | hmm... |
| 10:24 | <sobersabre> | I thought it worked in another way. |
| 10:24 | <sobersabre> | ok. |
| 10:25 | <sobersabre> | I guess this is why xen is still beta in linode. |
| 10:25 | <Toranin> | sobersabre: you can set Xen/UML up with file-based images...but that's not the only option |
| 10:25 | <mwalling> | wigglit: who was the other person you recommended to linode? |
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| 10:25 | <sobersabre> | ok, I'm off. |
| 10:26 | <sobersabre> | thanks all for the infor. |
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| 11:25 | <richard-blaine> | long weekend |
| 11:25 | <richard-blaine> | woot! |
| 11:25 | <richard-blaine> | wow no new vm available on linode higher packages |
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| 13:18 | <kvandivo> | not a linode question... anyone played with coLinux? |
| 13:19 | <@caker> | I did a long time ago -- it didn't work very well |
| 13:20 | <kvandivo> | intrinsic bugs, or have they possibly/likely fixed the problems by now? |
| 13:20 | <@caker> | likely fixed. This was mid 2004 or so ... |
| 13:20 | <kvandivo> | nod. |
| 13:22 | <kvandivo> | i'm trying to come up with the easiest way possible to replicate the important parts of my linode (LAMP, basically) on my windows laptop so that i can do work and testing in places with no network, and i happened to run across that as a possibility |
| 13:22 | <mwalling> | why not just a WAMP stack? |
| 13:23 | <@mikegrb> | kvandivo: tj or opello may likely have played with it |
| 13:23 | <@mikegrb> | tj particularly |
| 13:23 | <kvandivo> | i'm just wondering how many little issues i'll run into with version incompatibilites, different apache modules, different php stuff, etc if i try wamp type solutions.. i've thought about that, though.. |
| 13:25 | <kvandivo> | actually, i'm probably doing some server side php stuff that would likely not work well, if at all, on windows, now that i think about it |
| 13:25 | <kvandivo> | (without a lot of work, anyway) |
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| 13:40 | <mwalling> | cygwin? |
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| 13:53 | <guinea-pig> | hahah, yeah |
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| 14:12 | <opello> | mikegrb: kvandivo: not i |
| 14:16 | <@mikegrb> | liar |
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| 14:25 | <@caker> | Cygnus is a recursive acronym for "Cygnus, Your GNU Support" <-- I had no idea |
| 14:26 | <Toba_> | haha |
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| 14:36 | <mwalling> | heh |
| 14:36 | <mwalling> | dirty hippies |
| 14:36 | <Toba_> | dirty hippies indeed |
| 14:37 | <Toba_> | isnt he almost homeless? |
| 14:37 | <Eman> | doesnt he live in his office or something |
| 14:38 | <JasonF> | he lives with Eman |
| 14:39 | <JasonF> | Eman likes 'em smelly and idealistic |
| 14:39 | <Eman> | he lives in my moms basement? |
| 14:39 | <JasonF> | Eman's mom likes 'em smelly and idealistic |
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| 15:51 | <anderiv> | heh - I just discovered that crond on my work webserver hasn't run anything since Feb 28th. I guess it didn't like leap day. |
| 15:51 | <anderiv> | Anyone else see that problem? |
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| 16:48 | <guinea-pig> | anderiv: everything looks good for me |
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| 16:52 | <@caker> | Welcome to Der Wienerschnitzel. May I take your order please? |
| 16:56 | <mwalling> | ich habe eine bratwurst und milch |
| 16:56 | <@caker> | surfen der tuben |
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| 18:04 | <JDLSpeedy> | caker: what merchant do you use? or is that private? |
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| 18:17 | <@linbot> | New news from forums: Machine name versus domain name in Linux Networking <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3161>; |
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| 19:09 | < | ][EvIl-BoY][> any one can help me about, how i can install or add the static ips to the eth0 |
| 19:09 | < | ][EvIl-BoY][> ? |
| 19:09 | <mwalling> | your node comes up with DHCP by default, which will auto configure your interface |
| 19:10 | < | ][EvIl-BoY][> i need help to add the another statics ips to the eth0, the vps use CentOS 5 |
| 19:11 | < | ][EvIl-BoY][> ? |
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| 19:15 | <@caker> | JDLSpeedy: cardservice |
| 19:15 | <INternat> | u know whats unfortunate |
| 19:16 | <INternat> | when u ask a question before going to bed, and then come back to find your computere restarted |
| 19:16 | <@caker> | JDLSpeedy: and cybercash (!) AKA verisign payflow pro AKA paypal payflow pro |
| 19:16 | <INternat> | did anybody respond to my question about 10hrs ago about ubd{a-c} and using then as partionable devices rather then them being the partition |
| 19:17 | <@caker> | what's the question? |
| 19:17 | <@caker> | you can partition ubd devices |
| 19:17 | <INternat> | so it would be ubda1 ? |
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| 19:17 | <@caker> | yup |
| 19:18 | <INternat> | im just thinking how lvm would work in terms of if more storage is added to my node |
| 19:18 | <@caker> | If you do that under Linode's environment, you'd lose the ability to resize |
| 19:18 | <INternat> | thats what my concern was |
| 19:18 | <mwalling> | INternat: see, this is why you should irc from your linode :) |
| 19:18 | <INternat> | if u use pvcreate /dev/ubdb |
| 19:18 | <@caker> | well, under Linode, if the disk is RAW, it *will* add space to the end of the virtual device |
| 19:18 | <INternat> | and then ubdb increases will that break things? |
| 19:18 | <INternat> | could u just call pvreszie /dev/ubdb? |
| 19:19 | <@caker> | or you could add another device to your pv |
| 19:19 | <@caker> | right |
| 19:19 | <INternat> | yeah obviously there is a limit to how many devices you can add though |
| 19:20 | <INternat> | yeah mwalling ill start running one of the psy bnc or something |
| 19:20 | <INternat> | and then play back the channel:P |
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| 19:22 | <INternat> | cause i want to move to using lvm for my hosting data and for my mysql data drive. and just have the root/apps on a standard partition |
| 19:22 | <INternat> | but im weary of what will happen if i need more space |
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| 19:22 | <@caker> | INternat: pvresize <-- |
| 19:22 | <@caker> | if the device grows you can make the pv use it |
| 19:23 | <@caker> | er vg .. or one of those :) |
| 19:23 | <@caker> | or both |
| 19:23 | <INternat> | ok |
| 19:23 | <INternat> | that should do what i want |
| 19:23 | <@caker> | just make sure it's a disk created as RAW in the Linode Manager |
| 19:23 | <INternat> | or else the host will try to ext3 resize>? |
| 19:23 | <@caker> | it may actually still work if it was created as ext3 and then reformatted -- I forget |
| 19:23 | <@caker> | it was a long time ago that I coded that bit |
| 19:24 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 19:24 | <INternat> | lol |
| 19:24 | <@caker> | well, it'll try it, but I think if it fails (because someone reformatted it) it'll still grow the device, just not resize the fs within it |
| 19:24 | <@caker> | actually, yeah .. it grows the device FIRST and then tries to resize the fs |
| 19:24 | <INternat> | that works for me :D |
| 19:24 | <@caker> | also, it will *never* truncate it if the fs resize failed |
| 19:25 | <INternat> | oooh |
| 19:25 | <INternat> | so u could never make a raw partion smaller? |
| 19:25 | <@caker> | correct. |
| 19:25 | <INternat> | interesting |
| 19:25 | <@caker> | you'd need to bounce the data to a smaller device/fs and then remove it |
| 19:25 | <INternat> | i shall have to remember that |
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| 20:34 | <@linbot> | New news from forums: CPU policy question pre-setup in General Discussion <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3167>; |
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| 21:03 | < | ][EvIl-BoY][> i can verify if my ftp are running and functionally on my vps? |
| 21:03 | < | ][EvIl-BoY][> how i can verify if my ftp are running and functionally on my vps? im triying to connect via filezilla and i cant connect! |
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| 21:04 | <Temporary> | how do I add an ip i just added? |
| 21:04 | <Temporary> | err, activate it on the guest that is |
| 21:04 | <Temporary> | i came across a forum posting made in '03, but that didnt work :p |
| 21:05 | <TheFirst> | reboot and bring up the interface |
| 21:05 | <Temporary> | i did reboot, 3 times now |
| 21:05 | <TheFirst> | then bring up the interface |
| 21:05 | <Temporary> | i have... |
| 21:05 | <Temporary> | :\ |
| 21:05 | <TheFirst> | then the problem is...? |
| 21:05 | <Temporary> | or to say that eth0 is brought up by default. |
| 21:06 | <TheFirst> | yes |
| 21:06 | <Temporary> | am I supposed to be configuring a different interface for the new ip |
| 21:06 | <TheFirst> | yes |
| 21:06 | <TheFirst> | 1 ip per interface |
| 21:06 | <Temporary> | which interface than, because eth1 is unavailable. |
| 21:06 | <Temporary> | eth0:1? |
| 21:06 | <TheFirst> | bingo |
| 21:07 | <Temporary> | ah, i will do this now. Thank you :) |
| 21:07 | <Temporary> | uhm, shouldnt DHCPd do this? |
| 21:08 | <Temporary> | dhclient does not seem to like me directly specifying eth0:1 |
| 21:08 | <TheFirst> | no |
| 21:08 | <TheFirst> | static |
| 21:08 | <Temporary> | Oh. :( |
| 21:09 | <TheFirst> | do you really want a server relying on dhcp? |
| 21:09 | <Temporary> | yes |
| 21:10 | <TheFirst> | that's a bad idea |
| 21:10 | <Temporary> | if the server is moved it will automatically acquire the right address. |
| 21:10 | <Temporary> | Granted we have Lish in that incidence here, but not on all providers. |
| 21:10 | <@caker> | dhcp can only assign one IP per interface |
| 21:10 | <@caker> | eth0:XXX <-- eth0 is the interface, XXX are aliases to that iterface |
| 21:11 | <Temporary> | ah |
| 21:11 | <Temporary> | im surprised we dont use seperate interfaces. |
| 21:11 | <@caker> | why? |
| 21:11 | <@caker> | only one is needed |
| 21:11 | <Temporary> | seems like a good idea... (not a network engineer) |
| 21:12 | <TheFirst> | they're virtual anyway so they're going to function the same |
| 21:12 | <@caker> | each ethernet device consumes a MAC address, too |
| 21:12 | <Temporary> | oh theres plenty out there! :D |
| 21:12 | <@caker> | adds more ebtable tables/rules to the host, increases the number of devices on the bridge, etc |
| 21:13 | <Temporary> | how is the Xen testing coming? |
| 21:13 | <@caker> | Temporary: switches (and other network gear) have an upper limit of mac addresses |
| 21:14 | * | Temporary cowers in defeat |
| 21:14 | <@caker> | it's going well. We should be deploying a new version of Xen hypervisor which fixes a bug that makes the xen boxes crash |
| 21:14 | <@caker> | that's the only critical thing we've run into |
| 21:14 | <bd_> | caker: Did that new patch fix the paravirt hang bug on the newer kernels? |
| 21:14 | <@caker> | bd_: I haven't tried it yet -- been busy with $other_stuff |
| 21:15 | <bd_> | *nod* |
| 21:15 | <Temporary> | it showed me being prorated for the IP, but it is not showing up in my bill, will it be applied to the next month? |
| 21:17 | <@caker> | Temporary: it's in your billing history |
| 21:18 | < | ][EvIl-BoY][> who is the most easy FTP daemon for install in machine? |
| 21:18 | <@caker> | sftp. It's already included with sshd |
| 21:19 | < | ][EvIl-BoY][> ~]# yum install sftp |
| 21:19 | < | ][EvIl-BoY][> Loading "installonlyn" plugin |
| 21:19 | < | ][EvIl-BoY][> Setting up Install Process |
| 21:19 | < | ][EvIl-BoY][> Setting up repositories |
| 21:19 | < | ][EvIl-BoY][> Reading repository metadata in from local files |
| 21:19 | < | ][EvIl-BoY][> Parsing package install arguments |
| 21:19 | < | ][EvIl-BoY][> Nothing to do |
| 21:19 | < | ][EvIl-BoY][> :-( |
| 21:20 | <Temporary> | you need not install it. |
| 21:20 | -!- | freelikegnu is now known as _freelikegnu |
| 21:20 | < | ][EvIl-BoY][> how? |
| 21:20 | <Temporary> | Simply connect to your server using an SFTP client. It is built into SSH as a module. |
| 21:20 | <@caker> | it's part of openssh-server |
| 21:20 | <Temporary> | If you are using windows, use WinSCP or PSFTP (PuTTY). |
| 21:20 | <Temporary> | On linux use the sftp command. |
| 21:21 | <Temporary> | WinSCP is a bit nicer than PSFTP, it can use a midnight commander like interface. |
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| 21:24 | <Temporary> | well thanks TheFirst & caker, all set. |
| 21:25 | < | ][EvIl-BoY][> Status: Connecting to 204.10.37.81:21... |
| 21:25 | < | ][EvIl-BoY][> Response: fzSftp started |
| 21:25 | < | ][EvIl-BoY][> Command: open "jorge@204.10.37.81" 21 |
| 21:25 | < | ][EvIl-BoY][> Error: Network error: Software caused connection abort |
| 21:25 | < | ][EvIl-BoY][> Error: Could not connect to server |
| 21:25 | < | ][EvIl-BoY][> ? |
| 21:25 | <Temporary> | Wrong port. |
| 21:25 | <Temporary> | SSH is port 22. |
| 21:25 | <Temporary> | You must use an SFTP client. |
| 21:27 | < | ][EvIl-BoY][> a oki |
| 21:27 | < | ][EvIl-BoY][> now understand |
| 21:27 | < | ][EvIl-BoY][> thanks! |
| 21:27 | < | ][EvIl-BoY][> :-) |
| 21:27 | <Temporary> | no problem :) |
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| 21:31 | <mwalling> | caker: around? |
| 21:41 | <m0unds_> | filezilla! |
| 21:42 | <m0unds_> | it's nice going to work and learning new stuff instead of just doing the same crap every day |
| 21:46 | <@caker> | mwalling: yes |
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