TheGrebs.com:IRC Logs:#linode:2008:03:03

---	Log	opened Mon Mar 03 00:00:26 2008
00:05	<encode>	blorpy: orly? I saw " < blorpy> mikegrb: WHAT DOES IT PERFORM". whatever
00:07	<blorpy>	that looks all lowercase on this end
00:10	<encode>	ok
00:11	<blorpy>	:P
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00:17	<m0unds>	looks all uppercase to me, haha
00:18	<encode>	must be some very whacky UTF encoding
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00:18	<m0unds>	irssi chokes on lots of stuff
00:18	<dpn>	hey all
00:19	<dpn>	if my node was taking a hammering, a legit hammer, but still a hammering.... is there anything on the hosts that will stop requests coming in after a while?
00:19	<dpn>	the people trying to use my service are getting 500's
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00:29	<iggy>	dpn: if you are on uml, the io limiter could be kicking in
00:30	<dpn>	iggy, i'm on fremont i'm guessing that's UML
00:30	<iggy>	cat /proc/io_status would say
00:30	<iggy>	or the io_status command in lish
00:30	<iggy>	if you haven't specifically asked for xen, you are still on uml
00:30	<dpn>	io_count=9140047 io_rate=0 io_tokens=2000000 token_refill=512 token_max=2000000
00:30	<dpn>	ok yeah
00:31	<iggy>	nah, looks okay
00:31	<iggy>	it's when io_tokens=0 that you're screwed
00:31	<dpn>	what should i look out for in future on that line?
00:31	<dpn>	ahh ok great
00:31	<dpn>	thanks
00:31	<iggy>	is it okay now
00:37	<dpn>	nope, i think there might be a bug in their code
00:38	<dpn>	i just have to make sure there is absolutely nothing wrong at my end ;)
00:38	<dpn>	thanks for your help
00:38	<iggy>	np
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01:23	<whiterabbitfl>	does the atlanta datacenter block outgoing common irc ports or just incoming?
01:24	<encode>	both, i think
01:26	<iggy>	both
01:26	<whiterabbitfl>	k, thank you both.
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01:48	<Talman>	They block 6667 only, don't they?
01:49	<encode>	they block a whole heap of ports - theres a list on the forums
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05:17	<rick111>	;D
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06:50	<tenkawa>	hey.. anyone know if somethings going on with the atlanta xen host server?
06:50	<tenkawa>	I cant get my xen linode restarted after a kernel panic.. jobs are just sitting in the queue
06:56	<tenkawa>	opened up a ticket.. bbl
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07:36	<bushblows>	is the dallas DC having some issues?
07:37	<linbot>	New news from forums: Reboot: atlanta28 in Xen Public Beta <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3136>; \|\| Reboot: host137.dallas.linode.com in System and Network Status <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3135>;
07:37	<bushblows>	nm, thank you
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07:50	<irgeek>	caker, mikegrb or tasaro: Is there a reason the SSH keys on host137.dallas changed? I was trying to get to Lish, but the keys don't match.
07:51	<irgeek>	That shouldn't change the SSH keys.
07:53	<@caker>	they're the same for me
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07:57	<irgeek>	Now I see the problem. The key in my known_hosts file is for host45.linode.com which apparently used to have the same IP.
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08:16	<A-KO>	hmm anyone here good with regex?
08:17	*	irgeek is fairly good
08:17	<irgeek>	s/fairly/pretty/
08:17	<irgeek>	:)
08:18	<irgeek>	A-KO: Care to elaborate?
08:20	<@mikegrb>	lolz
08:20	<A-KO>	lol. well I'm trying to use a regex to determine if a string entered by a user is only A-Za-z......
08:20	<A-KO>	I'm having trouble finding a good resource on regex, too
08:20	<A-KO>	which isn't helping
08:22	<irgeek>	What language?
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08:23	<A-KO>	it's in php, irgeek. Yes, I know there's ctype_alpha, no, I used gentoo like a fucktard and it didn't compile ctype support apparently so I can't use that function to do it :)
08:24	<@mikegrb>	lolz
08:24	<A-KO>	so now I'm "stuck" using regex, lol.
08:24	<A-KO>	which is probably a better way to do it anyway
08:24	<A-KO>	I'm hopelessly bad with regex...
08:24	<A-KO>	and would like a good resource but meh
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08:29	<irgeek>	I know this one works in perl: $Data =~ m/[^A-Za-z]/
08:29	<irgeek>	That will match lines that are wrong.
08:38	<irgeek>	A-KO: if (preg_match ('/[^A-Za-z]/', 'abcDEF123')) { print "String has non A-Za-z characters\n"; }
08:39	<A-KO>	nice
08:39	<praetorian>	ew php :
08:39	*	irgeek barfs
08:39	<A-KO>	now how's that working? I mean, how does preg_match work? Does it just iterate through each element in the string?
08:39	<A-KO>	and what are the /'s for?
08:40	<mwalling>	// deliminate the regexp
08:40	<irgeek>	The /'s are part of the regex. the preg_* functions use Perl regex
08:40	<A-KO>	ahh
08:40	<mwalling>	preg_match goes through and tries to match the regexp to the string you supplied, and returns the number of "hits"
08:41	<mwalling>	you can pass it an array variable, and it will populate it with the actual matches i believe
08:41	<A-KO>	oh, what abouat spaces though?
08:41	<irgeek>	As for how it works, the [] delimits a character class, so anything inside matches. A-Za-z is the concatenation of two ranges. The ^ at the beginning of the character class means match anything that is _not_ in this class.
08:41	<mwalling>	irgeek: yep
08:42	<irgeek>	mwalling: I think you need to add ()'s around the things you want returned to populate the array.
08:42	<irgeek>	Otherwise, return is boolean, I believe.
08:43	<mwalling>	lets not speculate :) http://us2.php.net/manual/en/function.preg-match.php
08:43	<irgeek>	A-KO: If there's a space, the match will fail.
08:43	<A-KO>	irgeek: how do I allow it to match spaces?
08:43	<mwalling>	add a space to the character class
08:43	<irgeek>	If you want to allow spaces, use /[^A-Za-z ]/
08:44	<irgeek>	Notice the space at the end.
08:44	<A-KO>	ahhh
08:44	<A-KO>	cool
08:44	<A-KO>	got any good links on regex?
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08:44	<mwalling>	perldoc if youre a sadist
08:45	<irgeek>	Half of the Internet is about regex, I think. They are a dark and mysterious art.
08:45	<@mikegrb>	lolz
08:45	<A-KO>	lol
08:45	<@mikegrb>	'man perlre'
08:45	<@mikegrb>	good stuff
08:46	<irgeek>	... for insomniacs
08:47	<mwalling>	slackware > perl
08:47	<mwalling>	:)
08:47	<irgeek>	Reading regex documentation is like reading Vogon poetry.
08:49	<@mikegrb>	lolz
08:49	<A-KO>	lol
08:49	<encode>	theres documentation for regex's?
08:50	<encode>	alright, who betrayed us?
08:50	<mwalling>	i have a huge wall poster about regexps in my office
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08:51	<mswallace>	hello
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08:52	<encode>	i've considered getting a tshirt with this on it --> http://www.ex-parrot.com/pdw/Mail-RFC822-Address.html
08:52	<irgeek>	I've been writing regex for 15 years, and I'm still not even close to understanding them completely.
08:52	<encode>	but it'd be too small to read
08:52	<Abnormal>	ello
08:52	<Abnormal>	is there someone to helpme with starting
08:52	<mswallace>	so I am new to the lindo hosting and was wondering if any of you could point me in the right direction
08:52	<mswallace>	I am a total linux noob for sure
08:52	<Abnormal>	i wanna know can i resell sh3lls with linode vps?
08:52	<encode>	irgeek: yeah, complex ones are tricky to comprehend - i can only understand ones that are a couple lines long at most
08:53	<mswallace>	I am a web developer and the point of having the linode box would be for hosting my own sites and some of my customers.
08:53	<encode>	Abnormal: sure, basically you can do anything if it's not illegal in the US/ your country
08:53	<irgeek>	Abnormal: You can do anything you want, but if you (or people you give accounts to) break the AUP, you will be asked to leave.
08:54	<Abnormal>	k, so can i pay from serbia without waiting for confirmation, cos almost all providers are afraid of fraud
08:54	<mswallace>	I am really looking for a step by step set up of the box so I can get it up and running. I want to host more than one domain on the box, email, mysql, php5, and coldfusion
08:54	<encode>	Abnormal: all accounts are manually activated after a fraud check
08:54	<encode>	its usually not a long process
08:54	<iggy>	Abnormal: your info goes to the cc processor, they decide whether you are high risk or not
08:54	<irgeek>	Abnormal: No. Everyone needs to wait for confirmation. It's usually quick.
08:54	<Abnormal>	how quick
08:55	<@caker>	we average under 30 minutes
08:55	<Abnormal>	ok
08:55	<Abnormal>	tnx
08:55	<Abnormal>	tnx very much guys
08:56	<Abnormal>	i`ll buy one immediately
08:56	<irgeek>	mswallace: You should probably learn Linux a little before you try admining a server. But Linodes are a great way to play and learn.
08:56	<Abnormal>	:)
08:56	<irgeek>	encode: That RFC822 regex is evil.
08:56	<encode>	irgeek: no kidding
08:56	<irgeek>	Either that or it's actually line noise.
08:56	<encode>	its also apparently not that useful
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08:57	<encode>	http://www.regular-expressions.info/email.html <-- theres a section there about that RFC 2822 expression
08:57	<encode>	oh wait, different RFC. whoops
08:58	<encode>	i thought i knew regex syntax fairly well, but looking at that, I don't even know what ?: means. guess i'm not that good with regex after all
08:58	<kafey>	hey! :)
08:59	<encode>	still, my knowledge came in handy at uni - they only dealt with pretty simple regex's, which still managed to confound most
08:59	<irgeek>	encode: ? matches 0 or 1 of the preceding entity
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08:59	<irgeek>	As in: It may or may not be there.
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08:59	<encode>	yeah, i know that
08:59	<irgeek>	kafey: Hello
09:00	<encode>	but theres no colons in emails, so what does ?: mean
09:00	<kafey>	hi irgeek :)
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09:00	<duguk>	hey guys, has anyone got a sec for a recommendation of a good mail server for Gentoo?
09:00	<encode>	it must mean something different to just ?, since that RFC commences with a ?
09:01	<encode>	duguk: postfix
09:01	<LoLLo>	http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=-Gs8sYe4uqM
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09:01	<irgeek>	digx: postfix
09:01	<A-KO>	thanks irgeek
09:01	<duguk>	Heh thanks encode and irgeek
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09:02	<irgeek>	encode: I didn't notice the colon. That has to be something different as ? is supposed to refer to the preceding match, and there isn't one.
09:02	<encode>	exactly
09:04	<kafey>	caker: are you here? :)
09:04	<irgeek>	encode: http://gnosis.cx/publish/programming/regular_expressions.html
09:04	<irgeek>	A group that should not also be treated as a back reference has a question-mark colon at the beginning of the group, as in "(?:pattern)."
09:05	<irgeek>	So it means "This group isn't a backreference"
09:05	<encode>	how curious. I wonder why one would need to specify that
09:06	<irgeek>	So \1 still references the whole match?
09:06	<encode>	yeah, good point
09:06	<encode>	or if you have more than 9 groups, and you want to backreference some of them
09:07	<irgeek>	kafey: He's around. May have stepped away for a minute.
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09:07	<kafey>	irgeek: thank you! I'm actually new here, and I still hesitate between linode and slicehost, they both have a good reputation in their field
09:07	<encode>	hmm, so that massive RFC also deals with whitespace
09:08	<encode>	kafey: imo, as a longterm customer, and having sat in slicehost's irc channel for a while, I think linode is much better
09:08	<encode>	is there still that long wait of several months between paying for a slice, and being allocated one?
09:08	<kafey>	encode: could you please share some of your experience with me?
09:09	<kafey>	(p.s. please bear with my poor english)
09:09	<kafey>	encode: no, no waiting list anymore
09:09	<encode>	kafey: well, I admit I haven't been over in #slicehost for some months, so things could have changed
09:09	<kafey>	encode: sure yes...
09:10	<kafey>	is it possible to have xen on linode?
09:10	<kafey>	is there a good set of articles? wiki?
09:10	<kafey>	sorry, you just can tell me rtfm for my questions, i know :)
09:10	<encode>	but basically linode offers a number of features that slicehost don't - such as mechanisms to ensure I/O is not thrashed by one user on a host, many many options in the web interface, a virtual console interface
09:10	<irgeek>	I've been a customer since the week Linode opened for business. I now have three Linodes. So far, I've had one problem with how my account was handled, but that was cleared up quickly after I talked to them.
09:11	<encode>	plus they've been around a long time, haven't had any major issues (i know slicehost has had several)
09:11	<kafey>	long time, how much?
09:11	<encode>	and yes, you can get xen on linode
09:11	<kafey>	2? 3 years?
09:11	<encode>	i've been a customer for over 3 years
09:11	<encode>	i think irgeek has been here 5 years?
09:11	<kafey>	and you still are?! nice to hear that
09:12	<irgeek>	I signed up for my first Linode June, 30 2003.
09:12	<kafey>	wow!
09:12	<@caker>	and I launched it June 16th, 2003
09:13	<irgeek>	I've changed Linux distros at least 10 times since then, but I've stayed with Linode.
09:13	<kafey>	and you're not affiliated to them? I mean you're but a happy use?
09:13	<encode>	kafey: theres also a channel, #linode-xenbeta for xen specific discussion, although you can ask away in this channel
09:13	<kafey>	thank you guys! I'm sold :)
09:13	<irgeek>	Me? I wish caker would hire me! I'm just a customer.
09:13	<kafey>	hey caker !
09:14	<kafey>	caker: you almost launched linode together with irgeek ! hire him!!
09:14	<kafey>	:)
09:14	<encode>	mmm being hired by caker... that'd be a nice way to work
09:14	<encode>	kafey: have you read the webpage at all?
09:15	<encode>	theres a wide range of plans, and 3 datacentres to chose from
09:15	<kafey>	caker: btw, I don't know if you remember, but you asked me to send you an email, (i'll understand if you've forgotten) and the email was sent :)
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09:15	*	irgeek LinodeID=9
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09:15	<Kenobi>	uugggh @ host137.dallas
09:15	<kafey>	encode: exactly, yes, I confess, I barley can afford the first plan, being from a "poor" country
09:16	<encode>	kafey: ahh the first plan. I started out on that, back when it was a 'linode 64'. linode have kept the price the same, and increased the specs massively since hten
09:17	<kafey>	what??? this was a 64MB plan???
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09:17	<kafey>	they, wait, I'm doing the calculus
09:17	<irgeek>	kafey: You might be interested to know that there are still people who have been with Linode longer than me. Last time caker checked for me, there were 5 accounts older than mine.
09:17	<kafey>	they multiplied by how much?
09:17	<irgeek>	A lot.
09:18	<kafey>	yes! a lot, a lot!
09:18	<kafey>	I'm sincerly impressed
09:19	<kafey>	so basically to be concise:
09:19	<kafey>	I can do evrything slicehost offers on linode
09:19	<kafey>	I have more than whet they offer
09:19	<kafey>	s/whet/xhat
09:19	<kafey>	s/xhat/what
09:20	<mwalling>	need a closing /
09:20	<Battousai>	no you dont
09:20	<Battousai>	that's optional without a flag
09:20	<mwalling>	?
09:20	<kafey>	yes, i don't :)
09:20	<@caker>	10 GOTO 10
09:20	<irgeek>	Depends on the language, I think.
09:20	<kafey>	I only change on the current line
09:20	<kafey>	vim
09:20	<@caker>	RUN
09:20	<irgeek>	In vim you don't need it.
09:20	<kafey>	wait, wait... don't scare me...
09:20	<mwalling>	caker: no, 10 PRINT "HELLO WORLD"; 20 GOTO 10
09:21	<kafey>	it's not about GW BASIC! right? :p
09:21	<@caker>	10 PRINT "HELLO WORLD " <-- notice the space and no; 20 GOTO 10
09:21	<@caker>	bitchin'
09:21	<kafey>	:)
09:21	<mwalling>	eh, the ; was so i didn't have to hit enter 2x
09:21	<mwalling>	lazy
09:21	<@caker>	nod
09:22	<@caker>	didn't that make it not echo a newline in c64 basic?
09:22	<mwalling>	...
09:22	<@caker>	something did .. /me forgets and doesn't really care
09:22	<mwalling>	god i dont remember
09:22	*	caker gets back to work
09:22	<kafey>	mauvais souvenirs! mauvais souvenirs!
09:23	<kafey>	caker: btw, what about my email? :) (sorry, i'm so excited)
09:23	<@caker>	kafey: we'll respond today sometime .. we just got into work recently
09:23	<kafey>	caker: ok, thank you!
09:24	<irgeek>	Babelfish for those whose French is as bad as mine: "bad memories, bad memories"
09:24	*	irgeek is ashamed he didn't know that
09:24	*	irgeek has a French g/f
09:24	<kafey>	:)
09:25	<kafey>	actually french is my 3rd language...
09:25	<kafey>	I speak it better than English, waaaay better
09:25	<kafey>	SpaceHobo: I love your vim theme!
09:26	<kafey>	:)
09:26	<kafey>	SpaceHobo: yes, that's what makes it great! usually nice gvim themes are bad looking in terminal
09:26	<@caker>	SpaceHobo: are you doing ruby stuff now?
09:27	<kafey>	vade retro satana! hasta siempre python!!!
09:28	<kafey>	SpaceHobo: SpaceHobo isn't it a word in bob dylan's song? (I still learn english)
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09:28	<kafey>	SpaceHobo: yes it is, wait, I'll take a look
09:29	<guinea-pig>	are you thinking of Mister Bojangles?
09:30	<kafey>	or maybe lonly hobo
09:30	<kafey>	I have a terrific mind-association cache memory gadget in my brain
09:30	<guinea-pig>	oh your NICK hahah
09:31	<kafey>	ah yes! Like a hobo sailor does in "115's dream"
09:32	<guinea-pig>	i thought you were just a fan of that british band
09:32	<kafey>	that was the song, actually
09:32	<Pryon>	space cowboy is from Steve Miller's "The Joker"
09:32	<guinea-pig>	myspace.com/spacehobo
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09:32	<guinea-pig>	SpaceHobo: good for you :)
09:32	<kafey>	jazz is!
09:32	<guinea-pig>	jm: jaubertmoniker?
09:32	<irgeek>	MySpace is email with extra spam and a bad soundtrack!
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09:33	<guinea-pig>	guess not
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09:33	<kafey>	with myspace you can has girls pics hosted in your supa account, and you can't in linode!
09:33	<guinea-pig>	ICANHASGIRLZ
09:34	<kafey>	noucant
09:34	<guinea-pig>	ORLY
09:34	<kafey>	yep
09:34	<kafey>	you has myspathe?
09:34	<guinea-pig>	bastich
09:34	*	irgeek goes to do grown-up things
09:36	<guinea-pig>	yeah. like getting old and brittle
09:36	<kafey>	i'm 31... :/
09:36	*	alnr wonders what happened to host137
09:36	<guinea-pig>	i'm 39
09:36	<guinea-pig>	err 29
09:36	<guinea-pig>	can't type. i'm getting old :P
09:36	<kafey>	ha!
09:36	<kafey>	I bet you still are 19
09:36	<kafey>	:p
09:36	<guinea-pig>	leave me alone. i've got a fever :P
09:37	<kafey>	so you're 9, and have those red buttons on your face
09:37	<kafey>	rougeole!
09:37	<guinea-pig>	Don't push the red buttons!!!
09:38	<kafey>	no ntsfw stuff please! :p
09:38	<irgeek>	alnr: http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3135
09:38	*	irgeek is 31
09:38	<irgeek>	And counting
09:39	<alnr>	irgeek: tx, was wondering if they knew why it went unresponsive
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09:39	<kafey>	irgeek: so I am :)
09:40	<kafey>	please tell intuitivenipple how I love his citation!
09:40	<mswallace>	I am new to Linode and I could use some help
09:40	<kafey>	i just discovered it on the forum
09:40	<@caker>	mswallace: hey
09:40	<mswallace>	I am a total noob
09:41	<mswallace>	I am a Flash Flex developer and I have always used shared hosting or plesk
09:42	<mswallace>	My hope is in setting up my hosting so that I can host more than one domain, get mysql, php5, and coldfusion installed
09:42	<irgeek>	mswallace: You're in for an adventure.
09:42	<mswallace>	also would like anyone else that is hosted through me to be able to have email and ftp access to there accounts
09:43	<iggy>	I don't know how many people use cold fusion here, but the rest of that seems perfectly reasonable
09:43	<mswallace>	I have to say that I am pretty close to giving up :) is there like a step by step something that I can follow ?
09:43	<iggy>	there are tons of them on the internet
09:43	<iggy>	the problem is weeding through the bad to find the good
09:43	<mswallace>	well I spent last night installing PHP, MySQL, and Webmin
09:43	<irgeek>	mswallace: FTP is insecure. Consider using something more secure.
09:44	<iggy>	your first stop should probably be to your distro's website to see their documentation
09:44	<mswallace>	but I am not sure if I have it all set up correctly and on top of that I haven't a clue how to set it up to have more than one domain on the box
09:44	<mswallace>	I used centos 5.0
09:44	<iggy>	mswallace: that should be a 15 minute process (unless you are running gentoo)
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09:44	<irgeek>	Don't use gentoo.
09:45	<irgeek>	It's great for development, terrible for a server.
09:45	<kafey>	i second that, don't use gentoo
09:45	<mswallace>	not sure what gentoo is or if I have it in use or not?
09:45	<kafey>	it's a distro for geeky stuff imho
09:45	<iggy>	nobody asked
09:45	<irgeek>	mswallace: It's another distro
09:45	<mswallace>	oh
09:45	<mswallace>	well I know that I am using centos 5.0
09:46	<iggy>	don't know much about centos 5, but it's pretty close (documentation wise anyways) to fedora and the other redhat derivatives I think
09:46	<iggy>	I'd probably start looking at the fedora docs
09:46	<irgeek>	So most installs will be 'yum install package'
09:46	<kafey>	mswallace: basic timeline: secure vps, install http server, php, python... whetever :)
09:46	<irgeek>	CF may be tricky, but it can be done.
09:46	<mswallace>	yes "yum" is how I installed php, and mysql
09:47	<iggy>	for cold fusion, you might be able to hit up the linode guys
09:47	<irgeek>	Apache2, I assume?
09:47	<iggy>	since their site runs on cold fusion
09:47	<kafey>	then you're aware of everything! :) yum is THE tool
09:47	<mswallace>	yea I am pretty sure Apache2 is what I am using.
09:47	<kafey>	mswallace: you better have a local box and try to do all this on it,
09:47	<kafey>	nice for learning too
09:47	<mswallace>	I installed Webmin as a control panel and it downloaded and installed Apache for me
09:48	<kafey>	CLI is your friend too ;)
09:48	<mswallace>	I guess the point I am at really is getting email, and multi domains working
09:48	<kafey>	multidomain is about vhosts in apache
09:49	<kafey>	it's very easy
09:49	<irgeek>	'apachectl -V' Will tell you the Apache installed
09:49	<iggy>	if centos is anything like all the other distros, all the apache config is broken up in /etc/apache2/
09:49	<kafey>	or /etc/init.d/httpd
09:49	<kafey>	maybe...
09:49	<iggy>	in which case, you copy whatever is there for the default host, then edit to suit
09:49	<irgeek>	It's not like the others. Look in /etc/httpd/
09:50	<kafey>	centos is like fedora, right?
09:50	<irgeek>	kafey: Nope. init.d is for init scripts.
09:50	<atourino>	as I unde3
09:50	<atourino>	err
09:50	<kafey>	irgeek: yes, but I usuyally do this on my fedora: /etc/init.d/httpd start\|restart\|stop...
09:50	<mswallace>	yeah I have apache 2.2.3
09:50	<atourino>	sorry... wrong channel
09:51	<irgeek>	Actually, I only have CentOS 4 to play with...
09:51	<irgeek>	kafey: That's correct, but there are no config files there. They are elsewhere.
09:52	<kafey>	irgeek: of course yes! they're in /etc/httpd, like every linux distro i guess, config files are in /etc
09:52	<irgeek>	Actually, on Ubuntu they are in /etc/apache2/
09:52	<kafey>	irgeek: exactly
09:52	<irgeek>	Different distros put config files in different places.
09:53	<irgeek>	It's annoying.
09:53	<kafey>	very annoying
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09:57	<irgeek>	mswallace: I haven't installed CF on Linux for a very, very long time. If you google around a little, it looks moderately straightforward to get it running on Linux.
09:58	<@caker>	although their installer is very stupid and doesn't wire in apache for you, even when you specify the paths to the config files, so you gotta do that bit manually
09:58	<mswallace>	Yeah I am not to worried about installing CF. The thing I really need to get up and running is email, ftp, support for more than one domain
09:58	<irgeek>	Which MTA do you have installed?
09:59	<irgeek>	postfix? sendmail?
09:59	<irgeek>	(Please don't say sendmail)
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10:00	<encode>	sendmail? no way. I'm a real man, I telnet all my emails manually. The attachments get a bit tricky, converting to base 64 in my head
10:00	<mswallace>	I have postfix and I also have another server installed that I could use called Dovecot IMAP/POP3 Server
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10:03	<irgeek>	Those do different things. Postfix accepts mail from/delivers mail to the Internet. Dovecot devlivers mail locally and allows people to get it from their mail program.
10:03	<mswallace>	got it so I basically need both
10:04	<irgeek>	Yes.
10:04	<duguk>	irgeek, i spoke to u earlier about mta's and u said postfix, i was looking at courier for local del - is dovecot easier/better?
10:05	<duguk>	i've been using pure courier for months, and its an arse. its slow and virtual domains are a nightmare to set up :(
10:05	<mswallace>	so on the multi domain thing I have a service called Vertualmin Vertual Servers .... is this what I would use for hosting more than one domain
10:05	<irgeek>	I use cyrus, but I'm considering switching to dovecot.
10:06	<duguk>	i'm gunna have to read up about them again i think :) thanks man
10:08	<irgeek>	I use cyrus because, when I started in this game, it was the easiest one to set up with POP3/IMAP accounts that weren't system accounts. I host half a dozen mailboxes on my Linode, but only one other person has ssh access.
10:08	<irgeek>	When I say it was the easiest, I'm not implying it was easy. It was a giant PITA, actually.
10:08	<irgeek>	I've heard Dovecot is better, but haven't investigated yet.
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10:09	<duguk>	that's the problem i've got atm, can't do virtual cos im using system with courier, with ssh disabled. it works for me but i dont want that in future. dovecot looks better documented :-/
10:09	<irgeek>	mswallace: I don't use webmin, so I'm not sure how it does things.
10:10	<mswallace>	It is pretty much like using cpanel or plesk. Just gives you access to all the server configuration stuff via a control panel
10:10	<irgeek>	To do it manually, you need three things:
10:10	<irgeek>	1) In /etc/postfix/main.cf you need to configure virtual_alias_domains
10:11	<irgeek>	2) In /etc/postfix/main.cf you need to configure virtual_alias_maps
10:12	<irgeek>	3) You need a MDA (like dovecot/cyrus/courier/etc) which knows how to deliver mail to mailboxes.
10:12	<irgeek>	virtual_alias_domains tells postfix which domains it should accept mail for
10:13	<irgeek>	virtual_alias_maps tells postfix how to deliver mail for those domains
10:14	<irgeek>	The MDA accepts mail from postfix and delivers it to the user's mailbox
10:14	<duguk>	Gotcha. I've seen some of the bits on 1 and 2 on gentoo-wiki, just going through setting it up now.
10:14	<duguk>	Never used postfix before, its a bit more organised than courier
10:14	<irgeek>	The postfix docs for virtual domains are here: http://www.postfix.org/VIRTUAL_README.html
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10:15	<duguk>	thanks man :)
10:17	<irgeek>	Basically, when someone tries to deliver a message to postfix it will check the recipient's domain against the local domains--which deliver to local system accounts. If it's not in there, it will look at the virtual_alias_domains to see if it's a virtual domain. If it finds it there, it looks at the virtual_alias_maps to see how/where that email address should be delivered.
10:17	<irgeek>	virtual_alias_domains is just a list of domains
10:17	<mswallace>	Thanks for the help guys I found one of my buds that is going to help me set things up. Going to reinstall and use Fedora Core
10:17	<mswallace>	later
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10:18	<bettk>	hi to all
10:18	<irgeek>	'lo
10:23	<bettk>	Some of you know help me configure named.conf to reverse ipv6 ?
10:26	<irgeek>	I've never tried. A quick google turned up this: http://www.fpsn.net/?pg=tools&tool=ipv6-inaddr
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10:37	<duguk>	bloody hell irgeek, are you in here all day helping people?
10:38	<irgeek>	Not every day, but sometimes it's fun.
10:38	<duguk>	Wow. You legend! How do you do it? Do you work or anything as well?
10:39	<LoLLo>	http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=-Gs8sYe4uqM
10:40	<irgeek>	Sometimes I work, but this week has been quiet.
10:40	<duguk>	Nice one! Well thanks for being there mate. It's great knowing there's some expert help in these forums.
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10:41	<echomx>	hello?
10:41	<echomx>	if i have merged 2 linode accounst and now i want to separate them
10:41	<echomx>	what should i do?
10:42	<irgeek>	I'd guess you file a ticket.
10:42	<echomx>	i did but its taking too long
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10:42	<echomx>	i guess i should wait
10:42	<echomx>	thank u
10:42	<echomx>	anyways
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10:57	<ropine>	good morning...
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11:01	<@caker>	ropine: hey -- want me to try an fsck from the host?
11:02	<@caker>	ropine: or maybe you can try a forced fsck on that partition from within your Linode?
11:04	<ropine>	caker: either way ...
11:04	<@caker>	give fsck -f a shot
11:05	<ropine>	ok, hold on
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11:07	<ropine>	...well, it looks like fsck -f is doing what I had expected plain fsck to do ...
11:07	<Abnormal>	can someone help me
11:08	<Abnormal>	i tried to buy vps
11:08	<Abnormal>	but
11:08	<Abnormal>	when i unput my card numebr annd rest of info
11:08	<Abnormal>	it says
11:08	<Abnormal>	that it could not be completed
11:08	<Abnormal>	so i should check with my bank
11:08	<Abnormal>	:/
11:08	<Abnormal>	but i`m sure there`s money on acc
11:08	<duguk>	Abnormal, are you from the US or somewhere else?
11:08	<Abnormal>	i`m from YU
11:09	<@caker>	we can't tell you why the transaction failed. You need to contact your bank
11:09	<Abnormal>	i did
11:09	<Abnormal>	i checked everything
11:09	<Abnormal>	it all fine
11:09	<Abnormal>	*it`s
11:09	<@caker>	You need to contact your bank, and ask them why the transaction failed
11:09	<duguk>	They sometimes stop transactions especially abroad because of fraud, you might want to contact them and they should know about why the transaction failed.
11:10	<Abnormal>	maybe it is cos of fraud
11:10	<Abnormal>	in that case what should i do
11:10	<duguk>	Not even the linode guys will know why it failed because your bank won't tell them :)
11:10	<duguk>	Telephone your bank and ask them about this transaction, tell them it failed and ask why.
11:10	<Abnormal>	i did
11:11	<Abnormal>	and they say they got no error msgs
11:11	<duguk>	Why didn't they let Linode take the money then?
11:11	<mwalling>	Abnormal: what logo is your card?
11:11	<Abnormal>	Visa Virtuon
11:13	<Abnormal>	why?
11:13	<Abnormal>	maybe it`s cos i`m from serbia
11:13	<Abnormal>	:/
11:13	<@mikegrb>	lolz
11:13	<Abnormal>	lol
11:13	<Abnormal>	:D
11:14	<Abnormal>	so u can`t helpme, can`t u
11:14	<Abnormal>	:/
11:14	<ropine>	caker: fsck -f seems to do the trick, thanks
11:14	<mwalling>	Abnormal: are you sure you typed it right?
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11:14	<Abnormal>	yap
11:15	<Abnormal>	10% sure
11:15	<Abnormal>	*100%
11:15	<Abnormal>	:D
11:15	<ropine>	the great thing about spam is that when you get it, you know your email works
11:15	<duguk>	abnormal: if u've got the details right and ur bank is rejecting the money they must have a reason why. phone them again and ask them
11:15	<@caker>	our fraud detection system has nothing to do with processing credit cards, fwiw
11:15	<Abnormal>	i asked them but they have no answer
11:15	<@caker>	two different things
11:16	<mwalling>	Abnormal: call you bank, put a blanket auth on "Shore Network Technologies"
11:16	<@caker>	Abnormal: my answer is this: We do not know why your bank declined the transaction. Only your bank can tell you why.
11:16	<Abnormal>	did u see that i`m trying to buy that
11:16	<@tasaro>	use the phone number on the back of the card
11:16	<@caker>	Abnormal: you need to ask them why the transactions failed
11:17	<Abnormal>	tell me in what format the ban number should be
11:17	<Abnormal>	dial number for country is 381
11:17	<Abnormal>	for city 18
11:17	<Abnormal>	what shoul i type
11:17	<Abnormal>	+38118555555 ???
11:18	<@caker>	yes, that's fine
11:18	<Abnormal>	for example
11:18	<Abnormal>	ok
11:18	<Abnormal>	i`ll ust try again
11:18	<Abnormal>	*just
11:18	<@caker>	really all that matters is credit card number, expiration date :)
11:20	<Abnormal>	and security number
11:20	<Abnormal>	it`s all good
11:20	<Abnormal>	correct
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11:26	<duguk>	right i gotta be going, thanks for all your help!
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12:03	<getsmart>	hi to all
12:04	<getsmart>	wondering which differences are between atlanta and dallas (having a linode in)
12:05	<purrdeta>	Atlanta filters common IRC ports
12:05	<purrdeta>	otherwise, besides location, I think they are the same.
12:05	<getsmart>	thanks
12:05	<getsmart>	I guess irc is not a deal
12:06	<getsmart>	another question: may be feasible to install tomcat on a linode?
12:07	<purrdeta>	I think so.
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12:11	<iggy>	getsmart: you should be able to install anything that will run on linux
12:11	<iggy>	getsmart: now whether it runs well or not is another question
12:11	<getsmart>	well, I am wondering about performances mostly. I know can be done
12:12	<getsmart>	I have laready one small so I guess the best is to test it
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12:23	<C>	hi all
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12:27	<@tasaro>	C: hello
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12:28	<s>	hi all
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12:28	<anderiv>	heh
12:29	<mwalling>	3... 2... 1...
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