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| 05:13 | <rick111> | hello friends |
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| 06:20 | <@linbot> | New news from forums: iptables drop ACK/FIN as invalid in Linux Networking <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3116>; |
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| 09:58 | <AdmiralBeotch> | anyone else having mutt problems checking local root mail? I get "/var/spool/mail/root: no such file or directory (errno = 2)" on a clean install.. |
| 09:59 | <AdmiralBeotch> | fedora 8 BTW... |
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| 10:06 | <zeroday> | what does ls show of /var/spool/mail? |
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| 10:23 | <AdmiralBeotch> | -rw-rw---- 1 root mail 0 2008-02-19 10:04 root |
| 10:24 | <AdmiralBeotch> | /var/spool/mail/root didnt exist, but i created it, and i no longer get the error... but i dont get any email either. I sent a test message to root and the only place i can see them is in the file ~root/sent |
| 10:24 | <AdmiralBeotch> | but it never shows up in mutt |
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| 10:24 | <chesty> | look in /etc/aliases, good distros send roots mail to the first user created |
| 10:25 | <chesty> | ie, don't run mutt as root, use /etc/aliases to send roots mail to a normal user |
| 10:26 | <AdmiralBeotch> | what should i be looking for in /etc/aliases? the first alias in there is "mailer-daemon: postmaster" |
| 10:26 | <AdmiralBeotch> | then "postmaster: root" |
| 10:26 | <chesty> | root: scott (scott as an example ordinary user) |
| 10:27 | <chesty> | you just add the root: scott line, if it's not already there |
| 10:28 | <chesty> | then run "newaliases" |
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| 11:00 | <@caker> | anyone have any experience with wildcard ssl certs? |
| 11:00 | <@caker> | rapidssl is telling me I need to "purchase" a wildcard cert for each webserver I'm going to be using it on |
| 11:01 | <@caker> | that's what I thought |
| 11:04 | <AdmiralBeotch> | I added root:user1 and ran newaliases... when i login as user1 and run mutt I get "/var/spool/mail/root: Permission denied (errno = 13) |
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| 11:05 | <mwalling_> | stop trying to access roots mbox? |
| 11:09 | <AdmiralBeotch> | i "chmod user1:mail" on /var/spool/mail/root and i dont get the error anymore, but still no mail... |
| 11:11 | <mwalling_> | ... |
| 11:11 | <mwalling_> | look in *YOUR* mbox |
| 11:13 | <AdmiralBeotch> | as user1, i created an email to root and sent it... i quit mutt and re-run it, and there's nothing in the inbox... same thing if i create a email for user1... never shows up. |
| 11:13 | <chesty> | run mailq |
| 11:13 | <AdmiralBeotch> | mail queue is empty |
| 11:14 | <guinea-pig> | woo! i've got my own buildd running! |
| 11:14 | * | guinea-pig leaves for work |
| 11:14 | <chesty> | look in /var/log/mail* |
| 11:14 | <guinea-pig> | crap! it's an hour later than i thought it was. *drives double-fast* |
| 11:15 | <AdmiralBeotch> | ah, good call. interesting things in /var/log/maillog! |
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| 11:15 | <AdmiralBeotch> | looks like a domain suffix problem... thx |
| 11:20 | <mwalling_> | guinea-pig: careful or you'll get screwed like i did for 57/45 |
| 11:24 | <guinea-pig> | eh? |
| 11:24 | <mwalling_> | (speeding ticket last week when rushing to work late) |
| 11:25 | <guinea-pig> | oh, i already called in. no worries |
| 11:25 | <guinea-pig> | they know i'll be late |
| 11:25 | <guinea-pig> | so no speeding. i've passed that stress off to them :) |
| 11:25 | <mwalling_> | heh |
| 11:26 | <mwalling_> | damn small city cops |
| 11:26 | <chesty> | did they force you to become the local doctor? |
| 11:27 | <mwalling_> | nah |
| 11:27 | <mwalling_> | mailed in my not guilty plea next day, gave a friend (who also happens to be a state trooper) a copy of my ticket |
| 11:27 | <chesty> | then you've got nothing to complain about ;) you did the crime... ;) |
| 11:27 | <mwalling_> | 12 over? |
| 11:27 | <mwalling_> | meh |
| 11:28 | <chesty> | 12 over is significant |
| 11:28 | <@caker> | chesty: nice reference |
| 11:29 | <mwalling_> | chesty: 12 over 50' from the 55mph sign |
| 11:29 | <guinea-pig> | before or after? |
| 11:29 | <mwalling_> | before |
| 11:29 | <mwalling_> | in the 45 zone |
| 11:29 | <mwalling_> | the 45 zone is only 200' long |
| 11:29 | <guinea-pig> | oh |
| 11:29 | <guinea-pig> | heh |
| 11:30 | <guinea-pig> | but where does the zone actually start? *at* the sign? at a reasonable distance before/after the sign? |
| 11:30 | <@linbot> | New news from forums: Strange CPU utilization in Xen Public Beta <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3117>; |
| 11:31 | <mwalling_> | guinea-pig: NY law says "at" |
| 11:36 | <rick111> | anyone here use their linode as a gaming host? |
| 11:49 | <JDLSpeedy> | rick111: I did |
| 11:50 | <JDLSpeedy> | kept crashing, not enough ram |
| 11:53 | <JDLSpeedy> | rick111: what game u trynig to serve? |
| 11:56 | <rick111> | none, I was just interested |
| 11:56 | <rick111> | what game was you trying to serve? |
| 11:57 | <JDLSpeedy> | Team Fortress 2 |
| 11:57 | <rick111> | ahhh, tfc rocks |
| 11:57 | <rick111> | tf2 not so much |
| 11:57 | <rick111> | what linode you using, the low spec one? |
| 11:58 | <JDLSpeedy> | if I can solve the ram issue, i would host tf2 again |
| 11:58 | <JDLSpeedy> | Linode360 |
| 12:00 | <rick111> | just not had enough, or wasn't quick enough? |
| 12:06 | <JDLSpeedy> | just not enough, kept quiting because "Out Of Memory" |
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| 12:09 | <JDLSpeedy> | whats the ram requiments game server |
| 12:09 | <JDLSpeedy> | for a game server* |
| 12:10 | <rick111> | http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20071201000506AAihhtx |
| 12:11 | <rick111> | that link is useless |
| 12:11 | <@caker> | yup |
| 12:11 | <@caker> | rick111: for what it's worth, I know of people who have done tf2 servers just fine on Linode |
| 12:11 | <@caker> | a Xen Linode may be a better option for that type of stuff, too |
| 12:11 | <Bdragon> | You may wish to try a xen linode |
| 12:12 | <JDLSpeedy> | caker: do you know about how much ram they had on there Linode for a TF2? |
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| 12:13 | <rick111> | which is the Xen one? I can't see it here http://www.linode.com/ |
| 12:14 | <JDLSpeedy> | its in the Xen Beta |
| 12:14 | <rick111> | omg i'm blind |
| 12:14 | <JDLSpeedy> | its not production |
| 12:14 | <rick111> | thanks |
| 12:14 | <JDLSpeedy> | np |
| 12:15 | <JDLSpeedy> | any xen beta machines in dallas? |
| 12:15 | <@caker> | yup |
| 12:16 | <JDLSpeedy> | i'll create a ticket :-D |
| 12:17 | <JDLSpeedy> | Dallas if all possible, since im already in Dallas ;) |
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| 12:22 | <rick111> | linode's awesome |
| 12:22 | * | JDLSpeedy awaiting a Xen migration ;-D |
| 12:22 | <JDLSpeedy> | heh |
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| 12:22 | <evesun> | Is there anyone from support available? |
| 12:23 | <JDLSpeedy> | caker is around somewhere |
| 12:23 | <evesun> | Could I please have some help? |
| 12:24 | <@caker> | sure |
| 12:24 | <evesun> | My linode keeps locking up. All my database queries are getting locked. |
| 12:25 | <@caker> | is it locked up now? |
| 12:25 | <evesun> | I just restarted it |
| 12:25 | <@caker> | how often does it happen? |
| 12:25 | <evesun> | it's been happening for the last hour or so |
| 12:25 | <evesun> | just keeps happening |
| 12:26 | <evesun> | it's doing it again |
| 12:26 | <@caker> | next time it happens, please try this: time sleep 5 |
| 12:26 | <rick111> | JDLSpeedy you played fortress-forever.com ? |
| 12:26 | <JDLSpeedy> | no |
| 12:27 | <evesun> | real 0m5.044s |
| 12:27 | <@caker> | ok ... |
| 12:27 | <evesun> | user 0m0.000s |
| 12:27 | <evesun> | sys 0m0.000s |
| 12:28 | <@caker> | evesun: try setting your configuration profile to use "2.6.23.1-linode36", save and reboot. Keep in mind this kernel has the vmsplice local linux crash problem, but at least we can determine if it was something that went into the kernel after .1 that's causing this -- cool? |
| 12:28 | <evesun> | I'm not really an advanced user |
| 12:29 | <evesun> | =( |
| 12:29 | <@caker> | evesun: log into linode.com, click on your configuration profile |
| 12:29 | <evesun> | ok |
| 12:29 | <@caker> | evesun: select 2.6.23.1-linode36 from the Kernel: drop-down, save the profile, reboot |
| 12:30 | <@caker> | rick111: God |
| 12:30 | <Bdragon> | Heh |
| 12:30 | <@caker> | (kidding) -- owner/founder |
| 12:30 | <evesun> | ok done, it's rebooting |
| 12:30 | <rick111> | nice :D |
| 12:31 | <rick111> | you good@linux or more of a management man? |
| 12:32 | <evesun> | it's back online now |
| 12:32 | <@caker> | well .. I created the LPM and ran the business by myself for a number of years .. so take that for what you will |
| 12:32 | <rick111> | nice |
| 12:33 | <@caker> | evesun: please let me know if that solves it for ya |
| 12:34 | <evesun> | it looks like it's starting to lock again |
| 12:34 | <evesun> | are you able to take a look at the mysql service? |
| 12:34 | <chesty> | what ever happened to the mysql value add service? |
| 12:34 | <@caker> | evesun: if you provide me access, sure |
| 12:34 | <@caker> | evesun: otherwise, I can't really see what's going on inside your Linode |
| 12:35 | <evesun> | how can I do that? |
| 12:35 | <@caker> | evesun: submit a ticket firstly, and then provide me with a password (root's password, or otherwise) |
| 12:35 | <@caker> | https://www.linode.com/support/ticket_new.cfm |
| 12:36 | <evesun> | I submitted ticket #37495 right before I came to chat |
| 12:36 | <@caker> | ok |
| 12:37 | <@caker> | post a password in there so that I can inspect, please |
| 12:37 | <evesun> | posted |
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| 12:41 | <m0unds_> | rick111: fortress forever is awesome |
| 12:41 | <m0unds_> | although since tf2 came out, i stopped playing it |
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| 12:45 | <@caker> | evesun: it looks like the website is working (I found one that's pointing to your Linode) ... |
| 12:45 | <@caker> | evesun: loadavg is fairly high on your box, and you're doing a fair amount of disk IO |
| 12:46 | <@caker> | evesun: with mysql spinning at a constant 40% CPU or so |
| 12:46 | <@caker> | evesun: how would you like to participate in the Xen beta (it's stable, and much faster than UML)? |
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| 12:47 | <@caker> | evesun: it would require a few minutes of downtime while your Linode is transferred over to a Xen host. That's it |
| 12:47 | <evesun> | will the site be down for long? |
| 12:47 | <@caker> | 2-3 minutes per GB of disk images |
| 12:48 | <evesun> | Can we do it this evening? this is one of our busiest times of day. |
| 12:48 | <@caker> | evesun: sure -- you can fire it off whenever you |
| 12:48 | <@caker> | .. you're ready |
| 12:49 | <@caker> | evesun: https://www.linode.com/members/xenbeta.cfm <-- hit that, please |
| 12:49 | <@caker> | evesun: we'll configure the migration for you, and then you can log in and execute it when you're ready |
| 12:49 | <evesun> | my traffic is about 4,200 visits/day and about 20,000 pageviews, should my resource usage be that high? |
| 12:50 | <@caker> | visits and pageviews are only parts of the overall performance equasion |
| 12:50 | <evesun> | ok, sent the xen beta request |
| 12:50 | <@caker> | it depends on usage patterns, application design, individual query performance, etc, etc, etc |
| 12:50 | <evesun> | our big thing is probably the PHPBB3 board |
| 12:51 | <evesun> | I think that's what I've been having trouble with |
| 12:52 | <JDLSpeedy> | caker: just wondering if you got my request for xen beta |
| 12:52 | <@caker> | JDLSpeedy: I haven't checked, but most likely. We'll get to it soonie |
| 12:52 | <evesun> | my "show processlist" command keeps listing a bunch of "copying to tmp table on disk" for the forum database |
| 12:52 | <JDLSpeedy> | caker: ok, thats cool |
| 12:52 | <Bdragon> | Searches perhaps? |
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| 12:54 | <evesun> | The queries are just pulling the topic information |
| 12:54 | <evesun> | it doesn't look like a search |
| 12:56 | <tozz> | as far as I know phpbb doesn't have any caching by default |
| 12:56 | <tozz> | which makes it slow(ish) |
| 12:57 | <evesun> | I'm pretty sure 3 does |
| 12:57 | <tozz> | well, my bad, any _good_ caching ;) |
| 12:57 | <tozz> | do they use memcahced? |
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| 12:58 | <evesun> | I'm not sure |
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| 12:58 | <tozz> | it doesn't, but someone is working on it |
| 12:58 | <tozz> | http://area51.phpbb.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=28308 |
| 13:00 | <chesty> | memcache might help |
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| 13:18 | <@tasaro> | JDLSpeedy: ticket updated |
| 13:18 | <JDLSpeedy> | thanks tasaro |
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| 13:35 | <@linbot> | New news from forums: Variability in Xenode parallelization test results in Performance and Tuning <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3102>; |
| 13:39 | <JDLSpeedy> | shouldn't the host job queue be refreshing through the migration? |
| 13:42 | <@caker> | JDLSpeedy: BANG |
| 13:42 | <JDLSpeedy> | thanks, was there an issue? |
| 13:42 | <@caker> | not really |
| 13:43 | <@caker> | I forgot to restart ma deamons after making a change |
| 13:43 | <JDLSpeedy> | ahh ;) |
| 13:44 | <JDLSpeedy> | was saying, 15 minutes and still waiting.... |
| 13:44 | <JDLSpeedy> | heh |
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| 14:02 | <agentbleubleu> | I have just added a new parm to pico /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf |
| 14:02 | <agentbleubleu> | how would I restart that part for it to take effect |
| 14:02 | <getsmart> | Po6secae |
| 14:03 | <@caker> | getsmart: access denied |
| 14:03 | <mwalling_> | agentbleubleu: you do what now? |
| 14:03 | <getsmart> | yeah |
| 14:03 | <getsmart> | I know that |
| 14:03 | <getsmart> | sorry about that |
| 14:04 | <chesty> | getsmart: it works for me, ta |
| 14:04 | * | mwalling_ smacks agentbleubleu |
| 14:05 | <mwalling_> | i'm not helping you in PM |
| 14:05 | <agentbleubleu> | I had a problem with bind, and was told to add append domain-name-servers = 127.0.0.1; |
| 14:05 | <agentbleubleu> | ouch |
| 14:05 | <mwalling_> | someone had you changing configs for dhclient? |
| 14:06 | <agentbleubleu> | then when i turned bind back on it said it is missing the IP 127.0.0.1; |
| 14:06 | <agentbleubleu> | ys |
| 14:06 | <mwalling_> | smack them |
| 14:06 | <agentbleubleu> | the tech guys at virtualmin |
| 14:06 | <agentbleubleu> | i think they think i know what im doing |
| 14:07 | <agentbleubleu> | hehe |
| 14:07 | <agentbleubleu> | so their explanations are a bit iffy |
| 14:07 | <@caker> | wtf |
| 14:07 | <mwalling_> | ... why would you be using dhclient on a server? (asside from the fact that linode provides it for rapid startup) |
| 14:08 | <agentbleubleu> | i dont know |
| 14:08 | <agentbleubleu> | there an option to keep it off, bind that is |
| 14:08 | <agentbleubleu> | then its ok no errors, |
| 14:08 | <agentbleubleu> | I guess i should leave it at that |
| 14:09 | <agentbleubleu> | its for if you want to control the dns of your domains i think |
| 14:09 | * | mwalling_ recommends agentbleubleu use the dns manager until he gets his chops |
| 14:09 | <agentbleubleu> | ok where is that pls |
| 14:10 | <@caker> | https://www.linode.com/members/dns/ <-- but I think DA wants to own everything, so that may not work out as well as running your own bind |
| 14:11 | <@caker> | domain-name-servers = 127.0.0.1 in your dhclient's configuration will, in effect, append "nameserver 127.0.0.1" in your /etc/resolv.conf, in addition to the nameservers my dhcp server provides your Linode |
| 14:11 | <@caker> | another option would be to switch to a static network config (google $distro network config) and in that way your resolv.conf would be left alone |
| 14:12 | <@caker> | to complicate matters, you really shouldn't mix authoritative and resolving name servers (unless you ACL recursive lookups to localhost only, or something) |
| 14:12 | * | mwalling_ does |
| 14:12 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 14:12 | <agentbleubleu> | lol |
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| 14:29 | <IntuitiveNipple> | Evening all. Quick Question: Dashboard says my linode has 720MB RAM Max, but the guest reports 587MB (601172KB). Am I missing something? |
| 14:30 | <Bdragon> | Rebooted since the last ram upgrade? |
| 14:30 | <@caker> | you didn't reboot after the last upgrade? |
| 14:30 | <IntuitiveNipple> | define "last" ? |
| 14:30 | <Bdragon> | Heh |
| 14:30 | <Battousai> | previous |
| 14:30 | * | IntuitiveNipple slaps Battousai with caker's cat5 |
| 14:30 | <@caker> | IntuitiveNipple: http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2993 |
| 14:31 | <IntuitiveNipple> | Thanks Chris! |
| 14:31 | <Battousai> | merry xmas |
| 14:31 | <IntuitiveNipple> | Okay, so I blame you for making these damn systems so stable I never need to reboot :p |
| 14:31 | <tierra> | heh |
| 14:31 | <IntuitiveNipple> | uptime |
| 14:31 | <IntuitiveNipple> | 19:33:48 up 64 days, 23:52, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.05, 0.02 |
| 14:31 | <IntuitiveNipple> | That'd do it |
| 14:31 | <@caker> | zomg uptime1 |
| 14:32 | <m0unds_> | --omg-optimized? |
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| 14:32 | <IntuitiveNipple> | Chris, I gotta say, I'm *so* impressed, it's been such a fantastic change since getting away from Virpus! Excellent. All creds to you |
| 14:33 | <@caker> | me and company -- but thanks :) |
| 14:33 | <IntuitiveNipple> | I've got plans for several more Linodes to form a cluster end of Spring when one of my new projects launches, and I think Linode is actually preferrably to dedicated CoLo since it removes the hardware management headache |
| 14:33 | <mwalling_> | plus you get slackware! |
| 14:34 | <IntuitiveNipple> | Don't be so modest - the boss always sets the tone |
| 14:34 | * | IntuitiveNipple isn't slack! |
| 14:34 | <IntuitiveNipple> | Okay, so now I have a dilemma! Do I reboot just to see higher numbers or keep the uptime? :p |
| 14:35 | <Battousai> | reboot for the kernel security update |
| 14:35 | <IntuitiveNipple> | Good point! I'd totally forgotten about that :) |
| 14:35 | <IntuitiveNipple> | and off she goes :) |
| 14:37 | <IntuitiveNipple> | Does a shell "shutdown -r now" do it, or do I have to use dashboard? |
| 14:37 | <Battousai> | shutting down inside the linode works now |
| 14:37 | <Battousai> | thanks to lassie |
| 14:37 | <IntuitiveNipple> | Fab! |
| 14:37 | <Battousai> | of course, you can't halt |
| 14:38 | <IntuitiveNipple> | Yeah, just after I'd asked I saw the dashboard status show powered off etc |
| 14:38 | <Battousai> | but oh well |
| 14:38 | <IntuitiveNipple> | cool - VPN back up |
| 14:41 | <IntuitiveNipple> | strange. webmin still reports 587MB but free reports 737480 |
| 14:42 | <IntuitiveNipple> | stranger still. Webmin now reports 720MB :) |
| 14:46 | <@linbot> | New news from forums: Sticky: How to setup your Linode with CentOS in Linux Tips, Tricks, Tutorials <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1027>; |
| 14:47 | * | caker moans "set up", not "setup" |
| 14:48 | <mwalling_> | hehe |
| 14:48 | * | caker is setuping stuff |
| 14:51 | <IntuitiveNipple> | I've been waiting all day for the darned .it registry to approve a domain registration! I can't believe they vet them manually |
| 14:51 | <@linbot> | New news from forums: Plan Updates - 20% Additional RAM in Linode.com Announcements <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2993>; |
| 14:52 | <mwalling_> | ... |
| 14:52 | <mwalling_> | god damn... people need to stop bumping those |
| 14:52 | <IntuitiveNipple> | I didn't bump, I complimented! |
| 14:52 | <mwalling_> | IntuitiveNipple: ... |
| 14:52 | <bd_> | tsk, and I was all excited too |
| 14:53 | <m0unds> | i need to get off my ass and move my other stuff to linode |
| 14:53 | <m0unds> | but i'm too lazy |
| 14:53 | <bd_> | with another 20% ram, I could run another distcc process for $hueg_c++_project :| |
| 14:53 | <IntuitiveNipple> | My only trouble with Linode is, I'm always looking for what has gone wrong, but there never is anything :) |
| 14:53 | <m0unds> | wish i could say the same for vpslink |
| 14:54 | <m0unds> | i like my linode a lot, but i don't want to have to migrate all my services until i feel like doing it or i might screw something up |
| 14:54 | <mwalling_> | IntuitiveNipple: you forgot to compliment lish |
| 14:54 | <IntuitiveNipple> | lish? |
| 14:54 | <mwalling_> | ... |
| 14:54 | <IntuitiveNipple> | speechless again? |
| 14:55 | <mwalling_> | LiSH, the linode shell? |
| 14:55 | <IntuitiveNipple> | I don't think I've ever used it |
| 14:55 | <@caker> | IntuitiveNipple: ssh Linode.comUsername@hostNN.linode.com |
| 14:55 | <IntuitiveNipple> | Yeah... why? when my server is purrrfect? :D |
| 14:56 | <mwalling_> | it comes in handy |
| 14:56 | <IntuitiveNipple> | Not for us professionals :p |
| 14:56 | <IntuitiveNipple> | the only time I get network downtime is when the route is borked locally here |
| 14:56 | <@caker> | mikegrb: http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php/Lish_Documentation <-- needs update :) |
| 14:56 | <tierra> | that's exactly who it's useful for |
| 14:57 | <IntuitiveNipple> | tierra: Nah, if someone's able to bork the network side so as to need lish, they're not what I'd call professional! |
| 14:57 | <@linbot> | New news from forums: Using linode to send mail from dynamic IP hosts in Linux Tips, Tricks, Tutorials <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3118>; |
| 14:57 | <tierra> | IntuitiveNipple: no need to run an SSH server on your linode to shell in |
| 14:57 | <tierra> | that's very handy from time to time |
| 14:57 | <bd_> | tierra: it's much nicer to run a real sshd though :) |
| 14:58 | <@mikegrb> | caker: looks fine to me |
| 14:58 | * | mikegrb runs |
| 14:58 | <bd_> | scp/rsync for starters |
| 14:58 | <@caker> | mikegrb: good job |
| 14:58 | <IntuitiveNipple> | tierra: I always need SSH for remote mounts, but all my remote is done through the VPN, no public access to SSH or similar |
| 14:58 | <tierra> | right, I'm not saying I don't use it, I'm just saying that regardless of having an SSH server running, LiSH is still very handy |
| 14:59 | <@mikegrb> | (lish has easter eggs) |
| 14:59 | <IntuitiveNipple> | I use Webmin/Virtualmin for the big domain stuff, and SSH for tinkering around with 'user' files mostly |
| 14:59 | <tierra> | I wouldn't doubt there are Linode users that take advantage of it that don't need SSH |
| 14:59 | <tierra> | anyway, lish offers much more than just shell access |
| 15:00 | <IntuitiveNipple> | Sounds like it has its own cheerleading team, for one :S |
| 15:00 | <@linbot> | New news from wiki: Main Page <http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page>; || Arch Linux <http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php/Arch_Linux>; || Arch Linux <http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php/Arch_Linux>; || Main Page <http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page>; || Multiple IPs <http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php/Multiple_IPs>; || How to setup your Linode <http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php/How_to_setup_your_Linode>; || User:Kangaby <http://www.lin |
| 15:00 | <JDLSpeedy> | mikegrb: was that the one I found? heh |
| 15:01 | <bd_> | 'xyzzy' doesn't work? Tsk. |
| 15:02 | <@mikegrb> | mmm cake |
| 15:02 | <@tasaro> | mmm, cake |
| 15:02 | <bd_> | oic |
| 15:02 | <@mikegrb> | mmm cake |
| 15:02 | <bd_> | The cake is a lie. |
| 15:12 | <scorche|w> | mmm tofu |
| 15:12 | <@mikegrb> | mmm cake |
| 15:12 | <mwalling_> | cake! |
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| 15:40 | <@caker> | https://www.linode.com/members/utilities/ <-- click on "Browser Based Access to Lish" |
| 15:40 | <@caker> | it redirects you to an Ajaxterm server in that Linode's datacenter |
| 15:41 | <JDLSpeedy> | ahh, nice caker |
| 15:41 | <TJF> | oooooh |
| 15:41 | <TJF> | aaaaaah |
| 15:42 | <TJF> | cert error |
| 15:43 | <JDLSpeedy> | the cert might be self made without a CA |
| 15:45 | <TJF> | indeed |
| 15:46 | -!- | kernst [~kernst@udp231988uds.hawaiiantel.net] has joined #linode |
| 15:47 | <kernst> | Um. |
| 15:50 | -!- | mbbx6spp [~4cc70370@webuser.linode.com] has joined #linode |
| 15:52 | <TJF> | um? |
| 15:52 | <@caker> | yeah, you'll get a cert error until I feel it |
| 15:53 | <@caker> | .. it's worth it enough to buy real ones |
| 15:53 | <TJF> | oh i don't mind, it's still encrypted |
| 15:53 | <Bdragon> | Or you can use cacert... |
| 15:53 | <TJF> | just IE has puppies when you go there |
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| 16:09 | <kernst> | So I've a quick question for you folks... if I may? |
| 16:09 | <gdlt> | everyone else does :) |
| 16:12 | <zeroday> | go ahead |
| 16:12 | <kernst> | Right. So I'm totally depressed that the UML project I joined in, like, 2003 seems to be drying up. |
| 16:13 | <kernst> | Linodes *are* UMLs, right? |
| 16:13 | <zeroday> | yeah |
| 16:13 | <@caker> | the vast majority are uml, yes |
| 16:13 | <zeroday> | and also Xen beta |
| 16:13 | <@caker> | kernst: which project? |
| 16:14 | <kernst> | UMLcoop.net, which David Coulson sort of spearheaded, I guess. |
| 16:14 | <@caker> | ok |
| 16:14 | <kernst> | He was this big UML guy back in aught-three. |
| 16:14 | <@caker> | where is David these days? I haven't heard from him in years |
| 16:14 | <kernst> | Now no one replies to emails. |
| 16:15 | <zeroday> | the domain is now just an ad page |
| 16:15 | <kernst> | Dunno. I assumed that at the time he was somewhere geographically close to Ohio, because that's where the UML co-op was hosted. But who knows. |
| 16:15 | <@caker> | and usermodelinux.org is down, too, it seems |
| 16:15 | <m0unds> | bummer |
| 16:15 | <kernst> | Yeah, like I said, depressing. |
| 16:15 | <kernst> | I'm about to break 1000 days of uptime on my UML, but I can't SSH in. |
| 16:16 | <kernst> | And no one is listening to the mailing list anymore, so I can't get help fixing it. |
| 16:16 | <zeroday> | ouch |
| 16:16 | <JDLSpeedy> | ugh |
| 16:16 | <kernst> | What do you suppose the uptime record is around these parts, out of curiosity? |
| 16:16 | <@caker> | around there |
| 16:17 | <@caker> | I used to joke with Jeff about having the longest running UML |
| 16:17 | <@caker> | but we've replaced all our hardware in the last 356 days, so... |
| 16:18 | <kernst> | Yeah, the last reboot was, well *years* ago, and that was for a kernel/hardware upgrade. There were about 15 of us to start, and we beat the CRAP out of our UMLs. |
| 16:18 | <@caker> | modern UML beats the pants off the old stuff, in terms of performance |
| 16:18 | <@caker> | so it'd be worth upgrading your rig |
| 16:19 | <kernst> | The FAQ/etc. were short on details--I guess a lot's changed since 2.4.x days? |
| 16:19 | <@caker> | yes ... skas0 took tt mode out of business, and skas3 (requires host patch) is much faster |
| 16:19 | <kernst> | (the Linode FAQ, I mean) |
| 16:19 | <@caker> | and -- Jeff just introduced skas4 which is 85% native performance on a kernel build |
| 16:19 | <@caker> | which is really really impressive :) |
| 16:20 | <@caker> | skas4 also requires a host patch (but one that may eventually make its way into main) |
| 16:21 | <kernst> | What release are the host kernels now? (If I'm allowed to know...) |
| 16:21 | <@caker> | who's? |
| 16:21 | <kernst> | Linode's. |
| 16:22 | <@caker> | it varies |
| 16:22 | <@caker> | all 2.6 based |
| 16:22 | <JDLSpeedy> | would the linux kernel ever be bug proof? |
| 16:22 | <@caker> | skas3 |
| 16:22 | <JDLSpeedy> | heh |
| 16:23 | <Bdragon> | Bug proof? Ha, it moves WAY too fast for that. |
| 16:23 | <JDLSpeedy> | i mean, like the vmslice for example |
| 16:23 | <kernst> | Man, I've been wanting to switch over to something like Linode for almost a year now, ever since everyone started getting the long faces and talking about puttin' umlcoop.net down, Old Yeller-style. |
| 16:24 | <m0unds> | poor yeller. |
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| 16:25 | <kernst> | Anyone here have experience with other UML/hosting services, like bad ones that ended you up here? |
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| 16:26 | <kernst> | I'm almost decided on Linode based on just reputation, and the quality of the community. But I'd like to believe I'm making the best choice. |
| 16:26 | <@caker> | are there any other UML providers? :) |
| 16:26 | <kernst> | Yeah, I've noticed that, too. :< |
| 16:26 | <@caker> | (that are still relevant, anyway) |
| 16:27 | <kernst> | Okay, that makes me feel better. Knowing that I'm not just being lazy and there really *aren't* any other options. |
| 16:27 | <kernst> | Thanks. |
| 16:27 | <kernst> | :) |
| 16:27 | <sveiss> | bytemark are still UML, I think... never used them, but I know people who do |
| 16:30 | <kernst> | Linode's definitely licked the old problem of not having console access to your UML when it gets wedged. |
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| 16:31 | <kernst> | We used to have to bug this one guy (David) to get our UMLs rebooted, which probably got real old for him real quick. |
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| 16:33 | <m0unds> | linode automagically processes billing, right? |
| 16:33 | <Battousai> | yes |
| 16:33 | <Battousai> | well, not magically really |
| 16:34 | <Battousai> | just regular automatically |
| 16:34 | <chesty> | mmm, and if your credit card expires and you forget to update it in linode, you get a nasty email telling you to lift your game |
| 16:35 | <m0unds> | haha |
| 16:35 | <m0unds> | anyone have a dallas-based linode that i could check my latency to? |
| 16:36 | <iggy> | but luckily they don't just cut you off |
| 16:36 | <iggy> | m0unds: there's a forum post that gives addresses for all DCs |
| 16:36 | <m0unds> | oh, right on |
| 16:36 | <m0unds> | i'll go look for it |
| 16:36 | <chesty> | post it here when you find it ;) |
| 16:37 | <chesty> | m0unds: dallas60.linode.com |
| 16:37 | <chesty> | chesterton.id.au |
| 16:39 | <m0unds> | thanks, i'll keep looking for it |
| 16:41 | <iggy> | http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2636 |
| 16:41 | <iggy> | m0unds: chesty: ^^^ |
| 16:41 | <chesty> | iggy: ty |
| 16:42 | <m0unds> | that works. thanks. |
| 16:42 | <m0unds> | i might as well get a 540 linode set up and move all my crap to it before the 5th of march |
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| 16:45 | <chesty> | hmmm, fremont is better for me, what state is that? |
| 16:45 | <m0unds> | CA |
| 16:45 | <@tasaro> | !avail-fremont |
| 16:45 | <@linbot> | tasaro: Fremont360 - 0, Fremont540 - 0, Fremont720 - 0, Fremont1080 - 0, Fremont1440 - 0 |
| 16:45 | <Battousai> | heh |
| 16:46 | <JDLSpeedy> | well then |
| 16:46 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 16:46 | <JDLSpeedy> | LOL |
| 16:46 | <Bdragon> | woah |
| 16:46 | <Bdragon> | zeros across the board? Oh, just fremont, heh |
| 16:47 | <JDLSpeedy> | Bdragon: the other ones are close, but not far behind to be 0 too |
| 16:47 | <Bdragon> | !avail-dallas |
| 16:47 | <@linbot> | Bdragon: Dallas360 - 23, Dallas540 - 14, Dallas720 - 0, Dallas1080 - 0, Dallas1440 - 0 |
| 16:47 | <iggy> | pingtest? |
| 16:47 | <m0unds> | oy |
| 16:47 | <iggy> | linbot: pingtest |
| 16:47 | <@linbot> | iggy: "pingtest" could be http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2636 |
| 16:47 | <Bdragon> | !avail-atlanta |
| 16:47 | <@linbot> | Bdragon: Atlanta360 - 39, Atlanta540 - 9, Atlanta720 - 0, Atlanta1080 - 0, Atlanta1440 - 0 |
| 16:47 | <JDLSpeedy> | !avail |
| 16:47 | <@linbot> | JDLSpeedy: Linode360 - 62, Linode540 - 23, Linode720 - 0, Linode1080 - 0, Linode1440 - 0 |
| 16:48 | <m0unds> | is that maintained in realtime? |
| 16:49 | <chesty> | buy one and find out? |
| 16:49 | <m0unds> | i'm apprehensive because i don't want to move all my crap again :) |
| 16:50 | <Bdragon> | I think it's cached for a minute or two minutes... |
| 16:53 | <m0unds> | !avail-dallas |
| 16:53 | <@linbot> | m0unds: Dallas360 - 23, Dallas540 - 13, Dallas720 - 0, Dallas1080 - 0, Dallas1440 - 0 |
| 16:53 | <m0unds> | hah, yup. |
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| 16:58 | <@tasaro> | m0unds: ping |
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| 18:03 | <Battousai> | !rr |
| 18:03 | <@linbot> | Battousai: *click* |
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| 18:18 | <chesty> | !rr |
| 18:18 | -!- | chesty was kicked from #linode by linbot [BANG!] |
| 18:18 | * | linbot reloads and spins the chambers. |
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| 18:19 | <chesty> | that's rude, kicked on first shot |
| 18:19 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 18:19 | <JDLSpeedy> | lol |
| 18:19 | <JDLSpeedy> | !rr |
| 18:19 | <@linbot> | JDLSpeedy: *click* |
| 18:19 | <JDLSpeedy> | ;) |
| 18:19 | <JDLSpeedy> | !rr |
| 18:19 | <@linbot> | JDLSpeedy: *click* |
| 18:19 | <JDLSpeedy> | ;) |
| 18:19 | <chesty> | !rr |
| 18:19 | <@linbot> | chesty: *click* |
| 18:20 | <m0unds> | hahahahahaha |
| 18:20 | <m0unds> | wow |
| 18:20 | <JDLSpeedy> | !rr |
| 18:20 | -!- | JDLSpeedy was kicked from #linode by linbot [BANG!] |
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| 18:20 | * | linbot reloads and spins the chambers. |
| 18:21 | * | linbot takes aim |
| 18:21 | <scorche|w> | !fire |
| 18:21 | <JDLSpeedy> | ;) |
| 18:21 | <m0unds> | haha |
| 18:22 | <m0unds> | wonder who he's aiming at.. |
| 18:22 | <@linbot> | please put down your weapon. You have 20 seconds to comply. |
| 18:22 | <JDLSpeedy> | !rr |
| 18:22 | <@linbot> | JDLSpeedy: *click* |
| 18:22 | <chesty> | \o/ |
| 18:22 | <JDLSpeedy> | !fire |
| 18:23 | <JDLSpeedy> | !fire |
| 18:23 | <Bdragon> | Heh |
| 18:23 | <Bdragon> | I think that was someone puppeting |
| 18:23 | <JDLSpeedy> | caker is ;) |
| 18:23 | <m0unds> | haha |
| 18:23 | <JDLSpeedy> | ..i thiink..... |
| 18:24 | * | m0unds hopes so |
| 18:25 | <JDLSpeedy> | its the ghost in the machine |
| 18:25 | <JDLSpeedy> | :-D |
| 18:25 | <m0unds> | ruh roh |
| 18:25 | <m0unds> | my eggdrop megahal bot is an idiot |
| 18:25 | <TJF> | !google ED-209 |
| 18:25 | <@linbot> | TJF: Search took 0.25 seconds: ED-209 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ED-209>;; RoboCop Terminator movie: <http://robocoparchive.com/info/making1-ed209.htm>;; RoboCop Terminator movie: <http://robocoparchive.com/char/ed.htm>;; Ed 209 from Robocop: <http://www.jeffbots.com/ed209.html>;; YouTube - ED-209: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0kWgcIlWn0>;; YouTube - Ed 209: (2 more messages) |
| 18:25 | <Bdragon> | My eggdrop megahal is downright creepy most of the time. |
| 18:26 | <m0unds> | haha, how so? |
| 18:26 | <JDLSpeedy> | it talks back? |
| 18:26 | <m0unds> | yeah, the megahal module does really basic ai stuff |
| 18:27 | <Bdragon> | Heh, brn size comparison! |
| 18:27 | <m0unds> | 16:26 m0unds: pedr0, wtf? |
| 18:27 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 18:27 | <m0unds> | 16:26 pedr0: m0unds: Lol holy wtf. |
| 18:27 | <m0unds> | 51884043 Feb 19 16:00 megahal.brn |
| 18:28 | <Bdragon> | -rw-r--r-- 1 bdragon users 97859833 2008-02-19 17:00 megahal.brn |
| 18:28 | <m0unds> | had a disk failure in the box that runs the bot so i had to revert to a 6 month old backup :/ |
| 18:28 | <m0unds> | day before thanksgiving..sucked |
| 18:28 | <Bdragon> | \O/ |
| 18:28 | <Bdragon> | I had a brn corruption a while back, was able to restore from the backup file though |
| 18:29 | <m0unds> | i've been doing brain backups once a week since i had the disk failure..don't wanna lose all the retarded stuff he's gotten now |
| 18:29 | <Bdragon> | Yeah |
| 18:29 | <TJF> | at 5:30 p.m. megahal becomes self-aware |
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| 18:55 | <@linbot> | New news from forums: Apache Virtual Hosts Trouble (Resolved) in Linux, Apache, Mysql and PHP (LAMP) Forum <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3097>; |
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| 19:08 | <m0unds> | tasaro: thanks for the migration flag |
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