| --- | Log | opened Thu Feb 14 00:00:57 2008 |
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| 00:01 | <TofuMatt> | Err, I'm pretty lost when it comes to the guts of DNS... If I have a domain, say "domain1.com" pointed to ns1/2.linode.com, resolves fine and all, can I make my own ns1/2.domain1.com and get other domains to point to it rather than the linode addresses? I guess I still want everything to eventually go to ns1/2.linode.com (as I don't want to install BIND and setup my own DNS server), but I'd like to get others to poin |
| 00:02 | <TofuMatt> | How could I do something like that... preferably with Linode's DNS manager |
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| 00:04 | <@caker> | TofuMatt: irc messages cut off around 255 characters |
| 00:04 | <@caker> | "but I'd like to get others to" <-- ? |
| 00:04 | <TofuMatt> | oops, damn :S |
| 00:05 | <TofuMatt> | [...][...] others to point at nameservers that at least *look* like mine instead of linode's |
| 00:05 | <TofuMatt> | that was it :-) |
| 00:06 | <esoterik> | yeah Tofu what registrar do you use |
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| 00:07 | <TofuMatt> | domainsatcost.ca |
| 00:08 | <TofuMatt> | I just point to ns1/2.linode.com from there and I do all of the DNS stuff from linode's DNS manager... |
| 00:09 | <esoterik> | theres a way with your registrar to create ns1 ns2 for your domain, and point those to the ip address of linode's ns1/ns2 |
| 00:09 | <esoterik> | then you can point all your domains to ns1.yourdomain instead of linode |
| 00:09 | <esoterik> | but it still heads to linode |
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| 00:09 | <esoterik> | im not familiar with your registrar though, so google will have to help you there |
| 00:09 | <brough> | it's best to use the linode DNS manager unless you have a *really* good reason for wanting to disguise it |
| 00:10 | <brough> | custom nameservers are a bit of a pain. |
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| 00:10 | <TofuMatt> | :D |
| 00:10 | <TofuMatt> | Can I point to Linode's nameservers from the DNS manager? |
| 00:11 | <TofuMatt> | Obviously, the "main" domain will still load linode's nameservers... |
| 00:11 | <bd_> | what do you mean by 'point to'? |
| 00:11 | <bd_> | the linode dns manager can't tell your registrar what to do :) |
| 00:11 | <brough> | unless you're reselling hosting or something and need to disguise the provenance of the server.... |
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| 00:12 | <bd_> | if you want to disguise it, then make some new glue entries with linode's nameserver's ip addresses in them :) |
| 00:12 | <bd_> | if they go to the point of rDNS or whoising you'll be given away by your linode's IP anyway |
| 00:13 | <TofuMatt> | yeah... though my rDNS is setup to go to my domain |
| 00:14 | <TofuMatt> | So getting my registrar to point ns1/2.domain.com to linode's ns1/2 ip addresses should do what I want to do? |
| 00:15 | * | TofuMatt feels quite out of his element in this area. :S |
| 00:15 | <brough> | ssh on my planet linode has been crawling for hours... atlanta fine so doesn't seem to be my end |
| 00:16 | <@caker> | brough: know of mtr ? |
| 00:16 | <brough> | no... let me google. |
| 00:16 | <@caker> | http://www.bitwizard.nl/mtr/ |
| 00:16 | <brough> | ok. |
| 00:16 | <@caker> | mtr --report <your linode's ip>, and http://p.linode.com/ it, please |
| 00:17 | <@caker> | also, run it in normal mode just to see how kick ass it is :) |
| 00:17 | <brough> | ok, few mins. |
| 00:22 | <JasonF> | caker: yuck! It wants to install all sorts of gfx stuff on my linode (aptitude install mtr) |
| 00:22 | <brough> | interesting.... pastie in a sec. |
| 00:22 | <@caker> | JasonF: mtr-tiny |
| 00:24 | <npmr> | does /etc/fstab have to be a+r,o+w or is o+rw sufficient? |
| 00:24 | <brough> | pastie.caboo.se/151982 realling choked at dallas |
| 00:24 | <brough> | *really. |
| 00:25 | <brough> | @caker, odd the atlanta route is so much shorter? |
| 00:26 | <@caker> | for me, it's 21 hops to your atl node, 23 to your dallas node |
| 00:27 | <@caker> | tracing to your dallas node, I go through level3, which looks like hell |
| 00:27 | <brough> | is something wrong with that, I'll try atlanta again. |
| 00:27 | <@caker> | however, I'm ircing from a Dallas node and it's fine |
| 00:29 | <@caker> | brough: anyhow, I think it's fair to say your problems connecting to Dallas start pretty far upstream from them |
| 00:30 | <brough> | yeah. 9 hops vs 16... anyway, dallas was fine earlier... see how it goes. |
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| 00:50 | <Talman> | hmm... mtr came with my ubuntu. |
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| 01:18 | <brough> | pretty unresponsive now.... |
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| 03:33 | <erikh> | npmr: probably a+r if you have any user-mountable filesystems |
| 03:33 | <erikh> | otherwise, I doubt you'd need more than o+r |
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| 08:10 | <richard-blaine> | is there any reason a site like name.com could be down? |
| 08:11 | <richard-blaine> | nah, wrong question |
| 08:12 | <richard-blaine> | should've added "because of unnatural reason, e.g. dos attach" |
| 08:24 | <richard-blaine> | why would somebody type h instead of k |
| 08:24 | <richard-blaine> | *suicide* |
| 08:26 | <brc> | hehe |
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| 08:36 | <linbot> | New news from forums: Announcement: Pigs in Xen - Linode Xen Beta Test in Xen Public Beta <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2944>; |
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| 09:07 | <Cnl_Delta> | hi, does linode have tutorials on how to set up their VPS's to run drupal or wordpress? |
| 09:07 | <@tasaro> | i've seen several ... give me a sec |
| 09:08 | <@tasaro> | http://awebfactory.com.ar/node/275 |
| 09:09 | <@tasaro> | http://drupal.org/node/194971 |
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| 09:10 | <@tasaro> | http://www.jeffbeeman.com/node/23 |
| 09:10 | <@tasaro> | . . . |
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| 09:19 | <Cnl_Delta> | ahh kk |
| 09:20 | <Cnl_Delta> | hmm ubuntu seems to be most popular now tutorial wise |
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| 09:50 | <mwalling> | mikegrb: ping |
| 09:54 | <@mikegrb> | pong my little slacker |
| 09:54 | <mwalling> | got that /alias for rev? |
| 09:55 | <mwalling> | lost my old ~, and my .irssi/config on it |
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| 09:55 | <@mikegrb> | exec -o echo $- | rev |
| 09:55 | <mwalling> | danke my little antislacker :P |
| 09:55 | <@mikegrb> | <3 |
| 09:56 | <atourino> | hmmm |
| 09:56 | <atourino> | should i leave the room? |
| 09:56 | <atourino> | :D |
| 09:56 | <atourino> | haha |
| 09:56 | <atourino> | btw |
| 09:56 | <atourino> | happy valentine's to all |
| 09:57 | <mwalling> | ?won em raeh uoy nac |
| 09:57 | <@mikegrb> | sey |
| 09:57 | <mwalling> | ubj nobhg abj? |
| 09:58 | <guinea-pig> | silly kids |
| 10:01 | <linbot> | New news from forums: less RAM ? in Sales Questions and Answers <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3106>; |
| 10:02 | <Bdragon> | heh |
| 10:03 | <Bdragon> | One of the odder questions asked in the Sales Questions and Answers forum... |
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| 10:32 | <TJF> | <a href="http://www.telecapture.com">call tracking</a> |
| 10:32 | <TJF> | ah ef |
| 10:32 | <TJF> | wrong window |
| 10:41 | * | mikegrb tracks TJF |
| 10:41 | * | TJF hides |
| 10:41 | <TJF> | *poof* |
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| 10:56 | <SNy> | .ekim ,saila eht rof sknaht ,heH |
| 10:58 | <mwalling> | FAl: guvf bar vf orggre |
| 10:59 | <SNy> | Yes. |
| 10:59 | <SNy> | Now, how do I suppress the sending to the channel for when I want to tr it back? |
| 10:59 | <mwalling> | remove the -o |
| 10:59 | <mwalling> | (-o -> Output) |
| 11:00 | <SNy> | So, where will it end? |
| 11:00 | <SNy> | I am sorry, I could just as well read the manual. |
| 11:00 | <SNy> | Will do now. |
| 11:11 | <SNy> | zjnyyvat: V frr. |
| 11:12 | <mwalling> | v unir 2 /nyvnfrf... bar gung fraqf gb punaary (sbe bhgchg), naq bar gung qbrfag (sbe vachg) |
| 11:14 | <SNy> | Lrnu, zr gbb, abj. |
| 11:14 | <SNy> | Pnyyrq gur ynggre bar ebg13-abfraq. |
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| 11:17 | <SNy> | BTW, you should add quotes around $- to avoid problems with special characters, as mwalling showed nicely with the (). |
| 11:17 | <mwalling> | jura v fgnegrq gnyxvat |
| 11:18 | <mwalling> | SNy: oh, yeah, forgot to mention that |
| 11:18 | <mwalling> | onu, gb pbzcyvpngrq |
| 11:19 | <mwalling> | jung pyrag hfrf gung? zVEP? |
| 11:20 | <SNy> | Hm, isn't the "idea" behind it that people will NOT automagically be able to read it? |
| 11:20 | <SNy> | Kinde defeats it if you announce it beforehand. |
| 11:24 | <bd_> | typically the idea is to hide the text (eg, if it has spoilers) from people who don't /want/ to read it |
| 11:25 | <SNy> | Well, yeah. But if you announce "here comes rot13" and those peoples clients notice, the idea is not working. |
| 11:25 | <bd_> | oh, certainly |
| 11:25 | <bd_> | but that's the recipient's problem |
| 11:25 | <SNy> | Hehe. |
| 11:26 | <SNy> | As in "Works fine here."? |
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| 11:29 | <bd_> | As in, "if you don't care about spoilers that's your own lookout" :) |
| 11:32 | <atourino> | ...---... |
| 11:32 | <atourino> | about as much morse code I know |
| 11:32 | <atourino> | :D |
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| 11:36 | <derrick> | :| |
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| 11:47 | <robboplus> | hello everyone |
| 11:48 | <robboplus> | hax from freenode sent me and i'm interested in VPS, is it ok to ask a few questions? |
| 11:48 | <@mikegrb> | yes |
| 11:48 | <hax> | :o |
| 11:48 | <robboplus> | aargh :) |
| 11:49 | * | hax sees all on the 80 irc channels he's in ;) |
| 11:49 | <robboplus> | i'm mostly in need of vps for web but i would also like to host a totally private ircd with ssl (non-public and custom port), would this be a problem? |
| 11:49 | <robboplus> | hax evil :) |
| 11:50 | <@mikegrb> | robboplus: nope |
| 11:50 | <robboplus> | it's just that i do some forums maintance via irc and i also invite a few people for talks, just no public ircd |
| 11:50 | <@mikegrb> | the atlanta dc blocks port 6667 in/out so if you wanted 6667 you would need to choose dallas or fremont but if you don't care about 6667 no problem at all |
| 11:51 | <@mikegrb> | (public ircds are fine too) |
| 11:51 | <robboplus> | oh so it would be just about port - no probs then as i would use custom port anyway |
| 11:51 | <hax> | mikegrb: any chance you could give me a little insight on to how the Xen migration works btw? |
| 11:51 | <hax> | (as long as i'm here :) |
| 11:51 | <@mikegrb> | I mean, we use irc for work, would be kind of wrong to not allow it ;) |
| 11:51 | <hax> | i need to run asterisk at some point |
| 11:51 | <@mikegrb> | hax: you click a button |
| 11:52 | <robboplus> | and how about iptables? i'm not sure how that works (or not) in VPS? |
| 11:52 | <@mikegrb> | hax: your linode moves to a new host, you click boot |
| 11:52 | <hax> | mikegrb: yeah, but it's a production server... i'm kinda worried about the whole up/down thing |
| 11:52 | <robboplus> | SpaceHobo he he |
| 11:52 | <@mikegrb> | asterisk will run on uml too, just not meetme |
| 11:52 | <@mikegrb> | robboplus: yup, iptables works fine |
| 11:52 | <hax> | mikegrb: how about music on hold? i heard that was a sticking point |
| 11:52 | <robboplus> | mikegrb damn that's nice.. i was nearly sure it wouldn't work |
| 11:52 | <hax> | mikegrb: there's app_conference to replace meetme |
| 11:53 | <@mikegrb> | hax: no, moh hasn't required timing source for some time, about 3 years iirc |
| 11:53 | <hax> | mikegrb: oh, that's pretty good to know |
| 11:53 | <robboplus> | i used to use some vps before, like a year ago, i couldn't run iptables in there, why was that then? |
| 11:53 | <@mikegrb> | robboplus: because they suck? ;) |
| 11:53 | <robboplus> | he he |
| 11:53 | <hax> | mikegrb: have you experienced any timing issues due to UML? i hear it's not quite real-time (or so #asterisk tells me) |
| 11:54 | <robboplus> | one more question: how about additional IPs? if possible, how much? |
| 11:54 | <robboplus> | not that i need a ton of them but just wondering |
| 11:54 | <@mikegrb> | I had no problem running asterisk on my uml linode and I know there are at least a handfull of others doing the same |
| 11:54 | <hax> | mikegrb: kickass |
| 11:54 | <@mikegrb> | robboplus: $1/month |
| 11:54 | <robboplus> | mikegrb so $1 per extra IP and available anytime? |
| 11:55 | <@mikegrb> | robboplus: limit of 2 without ARIN approved [tm] justification for more |
| 11:55 | <robboplus> | or just when signing up |
| 11:55 | <@mikegrb> | can add later |
| 11:55 | <hax> | robboplus: linode prorates shit too when you upgrade/downgrade, that was another thing that sold me |
| 11:55 | <robboplus> | great |
| 11:55 | <robboplus> | hax he he |
| 11:55 | <hax> | not cause $5 really matters, but i just don't like getting screwed like i'm used to |
| 11:55 | <hax> | heh |
| 11:55 | <robboplus> | i was really lucky to meet you today |
| 11:56 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 11:56 | <robboplus> | i nearly signed up for some other offer few hours ago and luckily something didn't work lol |
| 11:56 | <robboplus> | he he SpaceHobo |
| 11:56 | <@mikegrb> | we have 7 days money back as well |
| 11:56 | <robboplus> | great :) |
| 11:57 | <robboplus> | but i'm already sure that i won't need that |
| 11:57 | <@mikegrb> | mmm cake |
| 11:57 | <mwalling> | robboplus: and we have an annoying bot who like cake |
| 11:57 | <robboplus> | SpaceHobo i "he he" alot today, no idea wtf :) |
| 11:57 | <robboplus> | sorry about that |
| 11:58 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 11:58 | <robboplus> | mwalling lol |
| 11:58 | <@tasaro> | !avail |
| 11:58 | <linbot> | tasaro: Linode360 - 84, Linode540 - 33, Linode720 - 4, Linode1080 - 0, Linode1440 - 0 |
| 11:58 | <robboplus> | oh very nice that :) |
| 11:58 | <robboplus> | and what would happen in case if i run out of traffic? |
| 11:59 | <@mikegrb> | robboplus: so how many linodes should I put you down for |
| 11:59 | <hax> | mikegrb: where's my commission? :p |
| 11:59 | <@mikegrb> | nothing unless you go over by a good bit |
| 11:59 | <robboplus> | mikegrb one? :) |
| 11:59 | <robboplus> | really nice then, no more questions :) |
| 11:59 | <@mikegrb> | you get an email notice at 80% (adjustable) just to let you know |
| 12:00 | <robboplus> | well i'm just not sure about traffic yet, i used to run a dedicated box with 1TB/mo so now i will just have to watch carefully but i don't think it will be too bad |
| 12:01 | <robboplus> | i guess it was 150GB or something last month, i hardly made a use of what i had there |
| 12:01 | <robboplus> | but i wouldn't like to get screwed when i hit say 230GB |
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| 12:03 | <robboplus> | i have one last question: |
| 12:04 | <robboplus> | i'm in EU and most traffic will be to/from euro hosts |
| 12:04 | <robboplus> | i wonder which datacenter would be the best for me then |
| 12:05 | <anderiv> | robboplus: http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2636 |
| 12:05 | <robboplus> | thank you, checking |
| 12:05 | <anderiv> | you should be able to use those hosts/links to test bandwidth and latency. |
| 12:05 | <robboplus> | oh that's exactly what i'm looking for, thanks again, brb |
| 12:05 | <anderiv> | np. |
| 12:05 | <@caker> | gunter glieben glauchen globen |
| 12:06 | <esoterik> | give it to me baby |
| 12:07 | <@tasaro> | uh huh - uh huh |
| 12:07 | <@caker> | Alright. I got something to say. Yeah, its better to burn out. Yeah, than fade away. All right. Ow. Gonna start a fire. Cmon |
| 12:09 | <@tasaro> | damn.. and I thought you finally had the 80s out of your head |
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| 12:18 | <sakaal> | Now I'm full of JSF and EJB 3. I have to compensate by having a mindless 4-hour session of Call of Duty 4 on PS3. |
| 12:20 | <Cnl_Delta> | finally I got my VPS set up tasaro according to http://www.jeffbeeman.com/node/23 and a few other sites. btw. y don't ya guys accept paypal and y do ya need confirmation of bank details when registering (my cc is an associate card so the real card isn't with me) |
| 12:21 | <mwalling> | Cnl_Delta: having the banks phone number is good practice, like if the transaction comes back denied with the fraud flag |
| 12:21 | <robboplus> | hm i did some checks and it looks like atlanta has the best routing to EU |
| 12:21 | <robboplus> | also fremont looks ok |
| 12:21 | <anderiv> | agreed...linode is just doing their due diligence. |
| 12:21 | <anderiv> | !avail-atlanta |
| 12:21 | <linbot> | anderiv: Atlanta360 - 49, Atlanta540 - 11, Atlanta720 - 3, Atlanta1080 - 0, Atlanta1440 - 0 |
| 12:21 | <anderiv> | !avail-fremont |
| 12:21 | <linbot> | anderiv: Fremont360 - 1, Fremont540 - 0, Fremont720 - 0, Fremont1080 - 0, Fremont1440 - 0 |
| 12:22 | <robboplus> | wow ;) |
| 12:22 | <anderiv> | :-) |
| 12:22 | <Cnl_Delta> | well it makes sense mwalling, save not all new VPS users (students especially) may actually have the card on hand |
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| 12:23 | <mwalling> | Cnl_Delta: you write the card number down on a piece of paper? |
| 12:23 | <robboplus> | would there be a chance of being transfered between datacenters in case of network bottlenecks? i'm really not sure if i should decide on fremont or atlanta atm |
| 12:23 | <anderiv> | robboplus: yup. |
| 12:24 | <anderiv> | ...as long as there's room in the target DC. |
| 12:24 | <robboplus> | hm ok |
| 12:24 | <robboplus> | ok... looks like it's time to sing up :) |
| 12:25 | <@mikegrb> | roflz |
| 12:25 | <robboplus> | sign up* (rofl) |
| 12:25 | <@mikegrb> | !avail-dallas |
| 12:25 | <linbot> | mikegrb: Dallas360 - 33, Dallas540 - 22, Dallas720 - 1, Dallas1080 - 0, Dallas1440 - 0 |
| 12:25 | <Cnl_Delta> | mwalling something a lil more secure than paper |
| 12:25 | <robboplus> | when signing up, can i choose the DC? |
| 12:26 | <anderiv> | robboplus: sure thing |
| 12:26 | <Cnl_Delta> | sponsored credit carsd are a drag |
| 12:26 | <robboplus> | oh just great then, i wasn't too sure about that |
| 12:27 | <@mikegrb> | robboplus: not during the sign-up but once you sign in for the first time it will show you the DCs with a slot open for what you want and you can click on one |
| 12:27 | <agentbleubleu> | hi folks, i just setup a new site that uses flash, but none of the swf files load? is this a setting in apache that I have to allow? |
| 12:27 | <robboplus> | oh i read you mikegrb, ok! |
| 12:28 | <robboplus> | so the very last question: if i sign up right now, is there a chance to have it processed in the next hour or so? it's getting late here in EU and i would love to bring the domain and site up yet today |
| 12:28 | <anderiv> | agentbleubleu: that shouldn't have anything to do with apache. |
| 12:28 | <agentbleubleu> | ok thanks |
| 12:28 | <agentbleubleu> | must be a permission sthing then ha |
| 12:29 | <@mikegrb> | robboplus: yes |
| 12:29 | <anderiv> | agentbleubleu: can you load the swf if you enter its URL in your browser? http://host.com/file.swf |
| 12:29 | <robboplus> | thank you very much mikegrb |
| 12:29 | <agentbleubleu> | no |
| 12:29 | <robboplus> | brb |
| 12:33 | <robboplus> | are there any promotion codes left to enter right now? :) |
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| 12:46 | <@tasaro> | robboplus: sorry, nothing active atm |
| 12:48 | <derrick> | agentbleubleu: swf are no more special than a png or jpg or whatever |
| 12:48 | <derrick> | agentbleubleu: you don't need any special permissions or anything |
| 12:48 | <derrick> | agentbleubleu: are you sure you have it in the right place? :| |
| 12:48 | <agentbleubleu> | yes strange as i have another site which works fine |
| 12:48 | <agentbleubleu> | with flash |
| 12:48 | <agentbleubleu> | on the server |
| 12:49 | <agentbleubleu> | i just remembered |
| 12:49 | <anderiv> | agentbleubleu: what does your access_log or error_log say? |
| 12:49 | <agentbleubleu> | so f knows |
| 12:49 | <agentbleubleu> | not looked |
| 12:49 | <agentbleubleu> | erm |
| 12:49 | <agentbleubleu> | i look |
| 12:49 | <agentbleubleu> | http://www.a-place-in-the-sun.com/video-tour/play-video.php?op=Seevideo&id=9 |
| 12:49 | <agentbleubleu> | this is the page |
| 12:49 | <anderiv> | agentbleubleu: that should be your first order of business when trying to troubleshoot this sort of thing. |
| 12:49 | <agentbleubleu> | strange thing is the bottom flash player is not even loading black |
| 12:50 | <agentbleubleu> | yea im a newby so still learning the raps |
| 12:50 | <agentbleubleu> | roaps |
| 12:50 | <agentbleubleu> | ropes |
| 12:50 | <@tasaro> | ropes |
| 12:50 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 12:50 | <agentbleubleu> | lol |
| 12:51 | <robboplus> | tasaro thank you :) |
| 12:51 | <robboplus> | Congratulations! |
| 12:51 | <robboplus> | Thank you for submitting a membership application! |
| 12:51 | <robboplus> | i'm loving your pro-rating rule btw |
| 12:51 | <robboplus> | very nice surprise |
| 12:51 | <derrick> | hah yeah |
| 12:51 | <derrick> | i signed up uhh, tuesday or something |
| 12:52 | <robboplus> | so we are both fresh here ;) |
| 12:52 | <derrick> | moving everything over from the server under my bed :| |
| 12:52 | <derrick> | sshfs <3 |
| 12:52 | <robboplus> | oh that thing is probably just noisy :) |
| 12:52 | <derrick> | it is actually pretty quiet :| |
| 12:52 | <robboplus> | j/k |
| 12:52 | <agentbleubleu> | any idea what log i should be looking at |
| 12:53 | <derrick> | well i mean i really expected it to die from dust or something after 2 months |
| 12:53 | <agentbleubleu> | syslog? |
| 12:53 | <robboplus> | not so easy as you think, derrick |
| 12:53 | <derrick> | i take it out every once in a while and it is clean :| |
| 12:53 | <anderiv> | wherever the log is set to go for that Virtualhost |
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| 12:53 | <derrick> | heh, i fix coworkers computers a lot |
| 12:53 | <derrick> | :[ |
| 12:53 | <derrick> | cat/dust/dog/smoke grossness |
| 12:54 | <anderiv> | derrick: that's sick. |
| 12:54 | <derrick> | robboplus: most likely it is somewhere in /var/log/ |
| 12:54 | <derrick> | err |
| 12:54 | <robboplus> | i can't believe it... just got email... account ACTIVE :) |
| 12:54 | <agentbleubleu> | yea there loads |
| 12:54 | <robboplus> | 3 mins or so |
| 12:54 | <derrick> | agentbleubleu: i don't use apache but i imagine there is an apache2/ dir in there |
| 12:54 | <agentbleubleu> | ok |
| 12:55 | <anderiv> | robboplus: I'm sure you'll continue to be pleased with their service. |
| 12:55 | <@mikegrb> | robboplus: 38 seconds ;) |
| 12:55 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 12:55 | <robboplus> | now compare that with some idiot company in .de who first tried to fool me into 12mo contract, then once i signed up they told me that ircd is not welcome and yet... they asked me to wait a few days for the activation code to arrive by snail mail lol |
| 12:55 | <@mikegrb> | "Account Activated with an activation delay of 38 seconds" |
| 12:55 | <agentbleubleu> | yea this linode server is shit hot, Ive been on board for a few weeks and I think its the best i had |
| 12:55 | <derrick> | my only :[ is that it seems to be just a bit slower than the 700mhz box i have :< |
| 12:56 | <robboplus> | mikegrb he he |
| 12:56 | * | anderiv isn't sure that "shit hot" is a good thing. |
| 12:56 | <@caker> | derrick: move over to one of the Xen hosts, then... |
| 12:56 | <robboplus> | well i'm too shocked to even check those emails |
| 12:56 | <@mikegrb> | roflz |
| 12:56 | <robboplus> | so i will just keep chatting for another 5 mins rofl |
| 12:57 | * | robboplus is calming down |
| 12:57 | <derrick> | caker: not a giant complaint just something i noticed but it could be my setup or whatever :| |
| 12:57 | <derrick> | caker: how stable are the xen beta things :[ |
| 12:57 | <agentbleubleu> | nothing in var/logs/apache2/error.log |
| 12:58 | <robboplus> | my only concern is about EU<>US eventual bottlenecks but i do hope it won't be the case, there is no such cool company in whole EU as this one... it must work then :) |
| 12:58 | <agentbleubleu> | just stuff relating to the set up |
| 12:58 | <anderiv> | agentbleubleu: is that where the logs are going for this vhost? |
| 12:58 | <agentbleubleu> | yes |
| 12:58 | <agentbleubleu> | seems to be other sin there |
| 12:58 | <agentbleubleu> | about this host |
| 12:58 | <anderiv> | no 404 messages when you try and load that page? |
| 12:58 | <agentbleubleu> | no |
| 12:58 | <derrick> | . |
| 12:58 | <derrick> | :| |
| 12:59 | <derrick> | are you sure you uploaded an swf and not a 0 length thing with an .swf extension |
| 12:59 | <agentbleubleu> | yes |
| 12:59 | <agentbleubleu> | whats strange is its not even seeing the <object |
| 13:00 | <@caker> | derrick: they're good .. two bugs a while back but I believe the updates I pushed out squashed those |
| 13:00 | <agentbleubleu> | i mean normally without the swf that would set the color |
| 13:00 | <agentbleubleu> | Im on xen no problems so far |
| 13:00 | <robboplus> | ok.. i guess i should now say THANK YOU and get going to check that account i just bought :) |
| 13:00 | <@mikegrb> | agentbleubleu: what does 'file /path/to/swf' say? |
| 13:00 | <agentbleubleu> | sec |
| 13:01 | <agentbleubleu> | Macromedia Flash data (compressed), version 7 |
| 13:02 | <@mikegrb> | if you don't have an entry in the apache error or access log for the flash file when you hit the page then the browser isn't requesting it |
| 13:02 | <agentbleubleu> | i look at the access log |
| 13:02 | <agentbleubleu> | sec |
| 13:03 | <derrick> | caker: will my linode carry over? :| |
| 13:03 | <@caker> | derrick: yes |
| 13:04 | <anderiv> | agentbleubleu: are you sure that's a valid swf? I did a tcpdump, and it's sending a lot of binary data along with a 200 response code... |
| 13:04 | <derrick> | ok, registered for xen beta :| |
| 13:04 | <anderiv> | use scp to download that swf to your desktop and then try and load it up in a browser. |
| 13:04 | <agentbleubleu> | hey it was working earler when I had it on the main root |
| 13:04 | <ankur> | caker: When do you expect xen to move out of beta? |
| 13:04 | <agentbleubleu> | sec |
| 13:04 | * | anderiv bets it got corrupted somewhere along the way. |
| 13:04 | <@caker> | ankur: I'm going to give it a few more months, I think |
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| 13:05 | <agentbleubleu> | ok |
| 13:05 | <agentbleubleu> | actually it wasnt working |
| 13:05 | <agentbleubleu> | i just didnt notice |
| 13:06 | <anderiv> | or alternative, check the md5sum on the server and on your desktop and make sure they match. |
| 13:06 | <iggy> | caker: you know anything about the performance hit of using xen with files instead of physical devices? |
| 13:06 | <agentbleubleu> | md5sum? |
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| 13:06 | <@caker> | iggy: I do not, other than the double caching that will occur (once on the host's buffer, once inside the VM) |
| 13:06 | <anderiv> | agentbleubleu: it's a checksum alg. |
| 13:06 | <@caker> | iggy: some would argue (me) that in certain cases that's not necessarily a bad thing |
| 13:07 | <iggy> | the xen wiki says there's a performance hit |
| 13:07 | <@caker> | which backend driver? blktap ? |
| 13:07 | <derrick> | agentbleubleu: checksum for the file, basically a mostly unique id for a string of data :| |
| 13:07 | <anderiv> | derrick: some would argue whether or not it's truely unique. ;-) |
| 13:08 | <derrick> | agentbleubleu: the idea being that if the checksum of the file that you know works is: 'qqq' and the file on yoru servers checksum is 'qqapple' then it got changed somewhere along the way |
| 13:08 | <iggy> | nfc, I haven't set it up yet, just doing some planning |
| 13:08 | <derrick> | anderiv: hence the 'mostly', heh :[ |
| 13:08 | <anderiv> | derrick: ahh - I overlooked that when I read your sentence the first time. |
| 13:08 | <agentbleubleu> | yea looks fuc...ed |
| 13:09 | <ankur> | caker: what linode iis suitable for about 2-3 lac hits on a WP blog? |
| 13:09 | <anderiv> | lac? |
| 13:09 | <ankur> | lakh |
| 13:09 | <mwalling> | Gee... I don't know what lac means... |
| 13:09 | * | anderiv is still confused. |
| 13:09 | * | mwalling <3 wtf(1) |
| 13:09 | <ankur> | lakh=0.1 million to put thing into perspective :) |
| 13:10 | <anderiv> | in what language? |
| 13:10 | <anderiv> | I've never heard that. |
| 13:10 | <@tasaro> | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lakh |
| 13:10 | <iggy> | so why not just say 200-300k? |
| 13:10 | <robboplus> | i think i really need your advice on choosing the DC... please tell me if i should go for fremont or atlanta? got these 2 choices and just ONE place in fremont seems very interesting.. is it like everyone wants to be there for some reason or just atlanta place is newer and got more space left because of that? |
| 13:10 | <ankur> | ohh well ..never mind iggy |
| 13:10 | <@mikegrb> | robboplus: more the second, plus we have much more room for servers there |
| 13:10 | <anderiv> | ankur: is that per day? per hour? |
| 13:10 | <robboplus> | mikegrb i read you |
| 13:11 | <ankur> | per day |
| 13:11 | <iggy> | I did it with the $40 plan |
| 13:11 | <iggy> | but it eventually outgrew it |
| 13:11 | <iggy> | and I had a very optimized DB |
| 13:12 | <iggy> | so you might want to go with a 1080 |
| 13:12 | <ankur> | and what all plugins you used? |
| 13:12 | <anderiv> | ankur: are you running wp-super-cache? |
| 13:12 | <agentbleubleu> | yep thanks guys the files were corrupt |
| 13:12 | <ankur> | nope no cache plugins agentbleubleu |
| 13:13 | <anderiv> | ankur: you really should install one...IMHO, there's no good reason not to. |
| 13:13 | <anderiv> | it'll *drastically* reduce server load. |
| 13:13 | <agentbleubleu> | whats a cache plugin |
| 13:13 | <ankur> | yeah I know but last time I did I got some problems so disabled |
| 13:13 | <anderiv> | agentbleubleu: well - I'm speaking specifically about a particular plugin for wordpress. |
| 13:14 | <derrick> | agentbleubleu: basically keeps copies of things instead of generating new copies each request |
| 13:14 | <anderiv> | it caches pages for a time to reduce db queries. |
| 13:14 | <agentbleubleu> | ok is it db related of files |
| 13:14 | <agentbleubleu> | or |
| 13:14 | <ankur> | it creates static HTML pages |
| 13:14 | <agentbleubleu> | ok |
| 13:15 | <anderiv> | ...which gets rid of the php processing and db overhead. |
| 13:15 | <agentbleubleu> | i have a site that is scalling fast so im going to be needing omething soon |
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| 13:15 | <anderiv> | unless you're using a well-supported CMS, you'll probably have to write your own. |
| 13:15 | <ankur> | anderiv: Is RAM the only limiting factor when having high traffic or does CPU resources also fall short? |
| 13:16 | <anderiv> | depends on the application, really. |
| 13:16 | <ankur> | in case of a WP blog? |
| 13:17 | <anderiv> | I'd guess db/disk io would be the main limiting factor. Possibly RAM, though, as well. |
| 13:17 | <agentbleubleu> | My app is bespoke and has problems with memory usage more than anything |
| 13:18 | <anderiv> | My WP sites are very low-traffic, so I don't have a good test case. |
| 13:18 | <agentbleubleu> | my site is looking like it will be at 20K uniques in 2 months |
| 13:18 | <agentbleubleu> | a day |
| 13:19 | <agentbleubleu> | unless its a blog like techcrunch I think the linde will not even notice it |
| 13:19 | <ankur> | caker: do you provide lxadmin licenses or maybe a hostinabox image? |
| 13:20 | <Pryon> | Hmmm. Speaking of CMS, plone.org seems to be having a problem today (or else I am) |
| 13:20 | <@caker> | ankur: we do not |
| 13:21 | <robboplus> | Dashboard... i LOVE IT! |
| 13:21 | <robboplus> | really great impression so far |
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| 13:21 | <iggy> | the problems we ran into with our site on linode was disk i/o |
| 13:22 | <@caker> | iggy: which was before hw raid, right? |
| 13:22 | <iggy> | which might be alleviated a little if xen had been available at the time |
| 13:22 | <iggy> | I don't know |
| 13:22 | <@caker> | xen and uml have the same disk performance, imo |
| 13:22 | <iggy> | we moved it off last April I think |
| 13:22 | <@caker> | not sure where people got the whole "Xen's disk IO is faster than UML's" thing from... |
| 13:23 | <iggy> | because they like to brag about hwo much faster kernel compiles are |
| 13:23 | <derrick> | heh |
| 13:23 | <iggy> | makes sense that the i/o would have to be faster to see much improvement there |
| 13:25 | <iggy> | actually, it looks like it was more like July 2007 that we moved the big site off linode |
| 13:26 | <iggy> | but I'm 99% certain that was before we changed to our new host, so it may have not been hardware raid |
| 13:30 | <@tasaro> | iggy: remember which host? |
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| 13:44 | <DannyG> | How secure are the VPS'? Who can access my data? |
| 13:44 | <anderiv> | DannyG: it's just as secure as a standalone server. |
| 13:44 | <DannyG> | Do Linode staff has access to my data? |
| 13:45 | <anderiv> | DannyG: well, they're root, so yes, theoretically they could mount your disk images. |
| 13:45 | <anderiv> | they wouldn't have any reason to, though. |
| 13:45 | <DannyG> | I see |
| 13:45 | <derrick> | but that is possible with any managed hosting :| |
| 13:45 | <DannyG> | Yeah I know |
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| 13:48 | <DannyG> | Is it easy enough to upgrade between packages? |
| 13:48 | <anderiv> | DannyG: yup |
| 13:48 | <anderiv> | as long as there are free slots available for the packages you're wanting to upgrade to. |
| 13:48 | <bd_> | in the datacenter you're in too |
| 13:48 | <bd_> | you can ask to be moved to another DC if necessary, but they don't do that unless you ask, as it'd mean an IP change |
| 13:50 | <iggy> | tasaro: host26 I think |
| 13:51 | <@tasaro> | iggy: sw raid |
| 13:51 | <anderiv> | DannyG: the chances of your data being compromised due to a vulnerability in your linode is much greater than anything else really. |
| 13:53 | <DannyG> | Whats the policy on torrent services? Legal ofcourse... |
| 13:54 | <Pryon> | I think the policy amounts to "Don't get DDOSed and don't get us arrested" |
| 13:55 | <scorche|w> | the policy with everything is as long as it isnt illegal or affecting others in a bad way, it is fine |
| 13:56 | <DannyG> | Cool cool |
| 13:56 | <DannyG> | What virtualization does Linode use? |
| 13:56 | <mwalling> | UML, Xen is in beta |
| 13:56 | <anderiv> | UML is the default, and Xen is in beta for a bit longer. |
| 13:57 | <DannyG> | I've only ever used Xen, whats the difference? |
| 13:58 | <anderiv> | technically, they're vastly different. |
| 13:58 | <anderiv> | Functionally, though, they're quite similar. Xen's performance is a bit higher and it supports SMP. |
| 14:01 | <derrick> | yay |
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| 14:08 | <DannyG> | Any current coupons or offers floating about? |
| 14:08 | <linbot> | New news from forums: Rather n00b question regarding IPs in Linux Networking <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3109>; |
| 14:08 | <silverblade> | whats this security vulnerability i heard about and how do i protect my linode against it |
| 14:09 | <guinea-pig> | to what security vulnerability are you referring? |
| 14:09 | <guinea-pig> | the vmsplice kernel bug is patched. just reboot into Latest 2.6 kernels |
| 14:09 | <silverblade> | aaalll offf theemmm... |
| 14:09 | <silverblade> | yeah, how? :) |
| 14:10 | <silverblade> | oh its already set |
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| 14:17 | <@tasaro> | DannyG: sorry, none at the moment |
| 14:18 | <DannyG> | Ah not to worry, already signed up anyway. Waiting for validation now... |
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| 14:48 | <brc> | hey |
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| 14:53 | <derrick> | yay |
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| 15:00 | <A-KO> | I'm setting someone up for shell access, how do I prevent them from accessing dirs they shouldn't have access to? |
| 15:00 | <Talman> | You could chroot them into their home directory. |
| 15:00 | <A-KO> | well see they need access to a DIR outside of their home dir |
| 15:01 | <anderiv> | do symlinks work through chroots? |
| 15:01 | <A-KO> | not sure |
| 15:01 | <anderiv> | that may be an option... |
| 15:01 | <A-KO> | I was thinking that |
| 15:01 | <Talman> | What are you keeping them out of? |
| 15:01 | <A-KO> | etc |
| 15:01 | <A-KO> | and just anything out there in general.. |
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| 15:07 | <bd_> | anderiv: they don't |
| 15:07 | <bd_> | you can use bind mounts |
| 15:07 | <bd_> | but regular symlinks can't escape, since after all you can make them inside the chroot : |
| 15:07 | <bd_> | :) |
| 15:09 | <A-KO> | yeah, linux fails. or rather, default linux setups don't really set themselves up well for multi user, secured access. |
| 15:09 | <A-KO> | I think what it boils down to is I'd have to make a system group, add all these services to that group, give that group ownership to everything I need, and then go from there. |
| 15:11 | <bd_> | secured access? |
| 15:12 | <bd_> | set all homedirs o-a, set appropriate umasks, set quotas |
| 15:12 | <bd_> | and ulimits |
| 15:12 | <mwalling> | acls |
| 15:12 | <bd_> | acls are useful, but until they're needed unix permissions are less typing ;) |
| 15:12 | <bd_> | afk |
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| 16:09 | <keith> | are there any current promo codes |
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| 16:10 | <anderiv> | don't believe so. |
| 16:10 | <anderiv> | you're the third person to ask that today. |
| 16:10 | * | anderiv wonders why that is. |
| 16:10 | <anderiv> | before today, I've never seen anyone ask that. |
| 16:10 | <keith> | looks like the last one expired in jan |
| 16:10 | <keith> | really the third? |
| 16:10 | <anderiv> | keith: yup |
| 16:11 | <keith> | so overall how does performance seem sing linode |
| 16:11 | <keith> | seem |
| 16:11 | <anderiv> | great |
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