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| 01:45 | <webPragmatist> | why does the dns take so long |
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| 01:45 | <webPragmatist> | updates* |
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| 01:46 | <webPragmatist> | it's taken like 30minutes so far |
| 01:46 | <iggy> | they update on the hour |
| 01:46 | <iggy> | so make sure to do your dns updates right before the hour changes from now on |
| 01:48 | <webPragmatist> | uhg really |
| 01:49 | <iggy> | iirc, yes |
| 01:50 | <iggy> | I guess they figure if someone needs more than that, they can always run their own dns |
| 01:50 | <iggy> | or something |
| 01:50 | <webPragmatist> | or switch to slicehost :P jk |
| 01:51 | <webPragmatist> | i bet slicehost is the same |
| 01:54 | <esoterik> | well it is 2x the price |
| 01:55 | <webPragmatist> | well it's priced similarly i think you just get slightly less ram |
| 01:56 | <esoterik> | nope, half the bandwidth too |
| 01:56 | <webPragmatist> | oh really... I just like linode because they have one in texas close to where i live |
| 01:57 | <webPragmatist> | i would probably use vpsfarm if i was just looking for the best bargain |
| 01:59 | <iggy> | last time I was in dallas, I drove right by the planet, thought about stopping by and demanding to see my host |
| 01:59 | <iggy> | but I figured they probably wouldn't let me |
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| 02:00 | <esoterik> | cool lookin from the outside? |
| 02:02 | <iggy> | nah, like any other building sitting on the side of the highway |
| 02:02 | <esoterik> | psh, needs more lasers and turrets |
| 02:02 | <iggy> | I think they had a moat(sp?) |
| 02:03 | <esoterik> | haha nice |
| 02:04 | <webPragmatist> | it does have a cool sign |
| 02:04 | <webPragmatist> | whats this domain status: thing do |
| 02:04 | <iggy> | yeah, that was the only way I knew what it was |
| 02:04 | <webPragmatist> | Active .... Edit Mode ... ec |
| 02:04 | <webPragmatist> | etc |
| 02:06 | <webPragmatist> | 2008-02-10 11:55:44 PM 2008-02-11 12:00:25 AM |
| 02:06 | <webPragmatist> | wtf this shit should be gtg |
| 02:07 | <gecko_> | ah ha my install my be hanging because of that new kernal sploit |
| 02:07 | <webPragmatist> | what? |
| 02:07 | <gecko_> | http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3101 |
| 02:08 | <gecko_> | new debian/ubuntu exploit |
| 02:09 | <iggy> | it's a kernel exploit |
| 02:09 | <iggy> | and it's been there a while |
| 02:09 | <iggy> | there's been no reports of it happening without someone attempting to exploit it |
| 02:10 | <gecko_> | hrmm had ubuntu and debian freezing every 6-12hrs |
| 02:10 | <iggy> | so I doubt it's causing any problems on a fresh install |
| 02:10 | <iggy> | do you have users with shell accounts? |
| 02:10 | <gecko_> | was happening with ubuntu to i install debian, nothing changed |
| 02:10 | <gecko_> | nope new setup |
| 02:10 | <gecko_> | 3 domains, and just me using it |
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| 02:11 | <gecko_> | it locks up the entire VPS too, no ssh, no apache, nothing |
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| 02:11 | <iggy> | assuming your site code doesn't allow random people to execute things blindly on the command line, I doubt that exploit is your problem |
| 02:11 | <iggy> | do you log into lish when it happens to see if there's anything on the console? |
| 02:11 | <gecko_> | its all HTML atm, cept for phpmyaDMIN |
| 02:12 | <gecko_> | nothing on the lish console |
| 02:12 | <gecko_> | it freezes up too |
| 02:12 | <gecko_> | till i get out of screen |
| 02:12 | <iggy> | I've had that happen when I had high network throughput for..... err.... applications I run on my linode |
| 02:13 | <iggy> | anything like that going on? |
| 02:13 | <gecko_> | well theres basically no cpu usage and no bandwidth either |
| 02:13 | <gecko_> | well very very minimal, you cant barely see it on the graph |
| 02:14 | <gecko_> | its left it locked up and put in a support ticket, I updated it a few hours ago |
| 02:14 | <gecko_> | rebooting the machine causes an emergency sync after a few minutes and forces a reboot which brings it back but it happens after a few hours again |
| 02:14 | <iggy> | the graphs scale to fit your usage, so saying it's low on there is less helpful than getting some of the numbers |
| 02:15 | <iggy> | but that's inconsequential |
| 02:15 | <gecko_> | CPU Avg 3.70% Last 0.00% |
| 02:15 | <iggy> | it doesn't sound like that is your problem |
| 02:16 | <gecko_> | Total Traffic: 611mb 80mb out 611mb in 691 combined |
| 02:16 | <gecko_> | so yeah minimal |
| 02:16 | <mariorz> | iggy: pm incoming |
| 02:19 | <iggy> | gecko_: I'd file a support ticket |
| 02:20 | <gecko_> | yup already have, hope they can solve it, so far I have loved linode |
| 02:20 | <iggy> | maybe let them know it happens the next time it happens during the day (i.e. when they are around) |
| 02:20 | <gecko_> | i've left it froozen for them to look at |
| 02:20 | <gecko_> | means no email in the mean time though |
| 02:21 | <gecko_> | just found a forum post with my exact problem - http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3023 |
| 02:22 | <webPragmatist> | should i be concerned about that exploit |
| 02:22 | <iggy> | webPragmatist: under most circumstances, no |
| 02:22 | <iggy> | gecko_: you're in the xen beta? |
| 02:23 | <gecko_> | hrmm i didnt ask to be |
| 02:23 | <iggy> | that pos says they are in the xen beta program |
| 02:24 | <gecko_> | yeah I know |
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| 02:24 | <hatim> | ok, i have my application setup with mongrel, but am having problems with rewrite and paths |
| 02:25 | <hatim> | RoR app, on mongrel_cluster and nginx |
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| 02:35 | <gecko_> | wheres an admin when you need one hehehe |
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| 03:38 | <gecko_> | Could the following cause the server to freeze? |
| 03:38 | <gecko_> | Starting system log daemon: syslogd syslogd: /var/log/news/news.crit: No such file or directory |
| 03:38 | <gecko_> | syslogd: /var/log/news/news.err: No such file or directory |
| 03:38 | <gecko_> | syslogd: /var/log/news/news.notice: No such file or directory |
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| 05:22 | <soul9> | re |
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| 05:24 | <soul9> | I added two A records in the dns manager, but the changes haven't taken place for 12 hours now, what can be the problem? |
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| 05:42 | <gecko_> | any admins around yet? |
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| 07:06 | <hatim> | any recs on irc proxy.. |
| 07:09 | <Hobbsee> | recs as in recommendations? |
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| 07:14 | <hatim> | yeah. sorry imenat recommendations |
| 07:18 | <Hobbsee> | bip, or irssi-proxy work nicely |
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| 08:08 | <richard-blaine> | hola |
| 08:09 | <richard-blaine> | cant believe that a certain VPS hosting provides reboot via URL, which doesnt require password, let alone secured access |
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| 08:11 | <richard-blaine> | and couldnt believe after more than 4 days since I initiate a domain transfer from godaddy to another registrar, the status is still (1) acquiring admin email, wth is wrong with godaddy, doesnt want to let go? |
| 08:12 | <greco> | probably not, it's like free money |
| 08:13 | <richard-blaine> | probably not ? not letting go? |
| 08:13 | <greco> | probalby don't want to let go |
| 08:13 | <richard-blaine> | well... |
| 08:13 | <richard-blaine> | wondering who to complain to. |
| 08:14 | <greco> | i've had problems transfering from one to another in the past. i don't think it's godaddy specific |
| 08:14 | <fuzzie> | it's "sucky registrar" specific. |
| 08:14 | <richard-blaine> | anyway, I signed up for a local VPS, and I managed to screw some settings now I cant SSH to it. I wish they had Linode Shell |
| 08:14 | <richard-blaine> | maybe it's not godaddy specific |
| 08:14 | <richard-blaine> | but only last week I transfer other domain from other registrar, it's smooth |
| 08:15 | <richard-blaine> | step 1 only took less than 3 hours |
| 08:15 | <richard-blaine> | (acquiring admin email) |
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| 09:12 | <soul9> | what's up with the dns manager? |
| 09:14 | <soul9> | my A records aren't getting added |
| 09:15 | <richard-blaine> | not to answer your qn, but I got my own, is A record a transparent alias? |
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| 09:19 | <hatim> | richard-blaine, A record is not an alias |
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| 09:23 | <soul9> | mmh? |
| 09:23 | <soul9> | i did it the same way i did it with other subdomains |
| 09:23 | <soul9> | they do get added |
| 09:23 | <soul9> | but they still don't resolve |
| 09:24 | <soul9> | s/lve/lv/ |
| 09:25 | <soul9> | wtf is a transparent alias? sorry, i'm not a DNS pro, but i know this should work, as it did for the 5 subdomains i added before |
| 09:28 | <richard-blaine> | hatim : perhaps it was my own confusion in setting things up, but I think I once made an A record, point it to an IP, but when I go to the domain name, the actual domain name of the IP showing up on the address bar, not sure what's happening there, |
| 09:29 | <hatim> | thats some thing to do with CNAME |
| 09:30 | <richard-blaine> | i see |
| 09:30 | <richard-blaine> | hmm what's an A record supposed to have |
| 09:30 | <richard-blaine> | s/have/behave |
| 09:30 | <soul9> | well, it shouldn't do that |
| 09:30 | <soul9> | that's how i added my subdomains |
| 09:30 | <richard-blaine> | what/how |
| 09:31 | <richard-blaine> | whoa grammar sucks |
| 09:31 | <richard-blaine> | ok |
| 09:31 | <richard-blaine> | never mind |
| 09:31 | <soul9> | e.g. j.9souldier.org |
| 09:31 | <hatim> | An A record or address record maps a hostname to a 32-bit IPv4 address , A CNAME record or canonical name record is an alias of one name to another. The A record to which the alias points can be either local or remote - on a foreign name server. This is useful when running multiple services (such as an FTP and a webserver) from a single IP address. Each service can then have its own entry in DNS (like ftp.example.com. and www.example.com.) |
| 09:32 | <soul9> | man, this sucks, why aren't my A records working? :-( |
| 09:32 | <hatim> | soul9, what do you get if you do a dig@ns1.linode.com youraddress |
| 09:33 | <soul9> | youraddress should be the subdomain? |
| 09:33 | <soul9> | hm, hatim, what do you mean? |
| 09:33 | <hatim> | complete address of your subdomain, yes |
| 09:34 | <soul9> | e.g. so: dig ns1.linode.com cili.9souldier.org ? |
| 09:34 | <hatim> | i meant dig @ns1.linode.com subdomain.domain.com |
| 09:34 | <soul9> | ah k |
| 09:34 | <hatim> | @ is for using linode name server |
| 09:34 | <soul9> | ;subdomain.domain.com. IN A |
| 09:34 | <soul9> | that's all |
| 09:34 | <soul9> | no IP |
| 09:36 | <hatim> | well there shold be an answer section |
| 09:37 | <hatim> | it will update, some one will have to look into it manually |
| 09:37 | <soul9> | yeah, there is no answer section |
| 09:37 | <hatim> | normally the automated script increment the version of bind configuration |
| 09:37 | <soul9> | hatim: check dig @ns1.linode.com cili.9souldier.org |
| 09:37 | <hatim> | may be it has run out of increments |
| 09:38 | <hatim> | soul9, well you cold also be name server of your own linode |
| 09:38 | <hatim> | if IPs are static |
| 09:38 | <soul9> | :-) |
| 09:38 | <soul9> | i'd rather not |
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| 09:39 | <hatim> | oh well, the bind configuration also gives me headaches |
| 09:40 | <soul9> | bind exactly |
| 09:40 | <soul9> | bind is too complex for me |
| 09:40 | <soul9> | if I could have a plan9 host on a linode, i'd use it as dns server, but since i can't, i don't want to have to mess with bind |
| 09:40 | <soul9> | not worth it for me |
| 09:43 | <hatim> | plan9 , hmm |
| 09:43 | <soul9> | :-) |
| 09:43 | <hatim> | i did a reading on it last summer of summer of code proposals |
| 09:43 | <hatim> | neat OS |
| 09:43 | <soul9> | really is |
| 09:43 | <soul9> | yeah |
| 09:44 | <hatim> | any relation to plan9 dev community soul9 ? |
| 09:44 | <soul9> | well, i haven't been active for the past few months, as i have no plan9 boxen, but i'm actually just installing it atm |
| 09:44 | <soul9> | some.. |
| 09:45 | <hatim> | how does it fair againt MINIX 3 |
| 09:45 | <soul9> | hahaah |
| 09:45 | <soul9> | well |
| 09:45 | <soul9> | it's actually usable? |
| 09:45 | <hatim> | MINIX 3, for virtualized env, yes :) |
| 09:46 | <soul9> | plan9 doesn't try to get gnu or posix in |
| 09:46 | <soul9> | they have their own userspace, and a posix-compatible environment |
| 09:46 | <hatim> | MINIX doesnt as well iirc |
| 09:46 | <soul9> | well, they are porting GNU to it, aren't they? |
| 09:46 | <hatim> | not really porting |
| 09:47 | <hatim> | as opposed to making good stuff from GNU work |
| 09:47 | <soul9> | because it's posix-compliant? :-P |
| 09:47 | <soul9> | hmm? say again? |
| 09:48 | <soul9> | hatim: i didn't quite catch that last line.. |
| 09:48 | <Bdragon> | Plan9's lucky.. They have their own compiler tools.. |
| 09:48 | <soul9> | yeah, damn fine ones too :-) |
| 09:48 | <soul9> | unposixish :-) |
| 09:49 | <soul9> | nothing beats getting rid of gcc on one computer for a much smaller and better compiler |
| 09:49 | <hatim> | well, GNU aint that bad, but plan9 has some really good/new ideas |
| 09:49 | <Bdragon> | Everyone else in the universe has to struggle with gcc |
| 09:49 | <soul9> | yeah |
| 09:49 | <Bdragon> | (Or some proprietary compiler) |
| 09:49 | <soul9> | Bdragon: good way to put it xD |
| 09:49 | <soul9> | Bdragon: which is prolly even worst (if it can be...) |
| 09:50 | <soul9> | well, 9P is a genious idea |
| 09:51 | <soul9> | and namespaces |
| 09:52 | <soul9> | i'd still like to see a system where there is such a thing as per-process namespace (except plan9 and inferno) |
| 09:52 | <Bdragon> | Does HURD do that? |
| 09:52 | <soul9> | hah |
| 09:53 | <soul9> | i dunno |
| 09:53 | <soul9> | i don't think so |
| 09:53 | <Bdragon> | I do know that HURD doesn't have to stick to one process model... |
| 09:53 | <Bdragon> | HURD is kinda like anarchy at the machine level, heh... |
| 09:53 | <soul9> | at least last time i tried it i don't think it did that sort of thing |
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| 09:53 | <Bdragon> | Plan9 certainly does it in an easy and elegant way... |
| 09:54 | <soul9> | these are only the base for the whole beautifull system |
| 09:54 | <soul9> | like factotum and secstore |
| 09:54 | <soul9> | and the rest.. |
| 09:59 | <soul9> | hatim: so i guess you don't work @ linode then? |
| 09:59 | <hatim> | no no |
| 10:00 | <hatim> | i just leased one last week |
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| 10:00 | <soul9> | ah k |
| 10:00 | <hatim> | but have worked in enough datacenters to know what goes around :) |
| 10:00 | <soul9> | man, the dns manager was working nicely before :-( |
| 10:00 | <soul9> | hatim: :-) |
| 10:00 | <soul9> | woo, that's exciting :-) |
| 10:01 | <soul9> | mmmh, if i had a datacenter... |
| 10:01 | * | soul9 drools |
| 10:01 | <hatim> | location : soul9 , mine is Texas |
| 10:01 | <hatim> | as in of the DC |
| 10:01 | <soul9> | dallas |
| 10:01 | <soul9> | yeah, i'm in dallas too |
| 10:01 | <soul9> | they're pretty smooth |
| 10:02 | <soul9> | uptime of 17 days, no stoopid blocked ports |
| 10:02 | <hatim> | nice |
| 10:02 | <hatim> | btw do they run on quad core systems? |
| 10:02 | <soul9> | yep |
| 10:02 | <soul9> | Host '9souldier.org', running Linux 2.6.18-domU-linode4 - Cpu0: Intel 2000 MHz Cpu1: Intel 2000 MHz Cpu2: Intel 2000 MHz Cpu3: Intel 2000 MHz; Up: 17 days 4:50; Users: 1; Load: 0.00; Free: [Mem: 9/360 Mio] [Swap: 256/256 Mio] [/: 3285/9825 Mio]; Vpenis: 27.1 cm; |
| 10:03 | <hatim> | where is this info |
| 10:03 | <soul9> | oh, this is the xen thing though |
| 10:03 | <soul9> | xen beta |
| 10:03 | <soul9> | ” |
| 10:04 | <hatim> | i think i am not running on xen |
| 10:04 | <hatim> | i vagule remember some option some where, which i chose to ignore |
| 10:04 | <soul9> | well, i wouldn't recommend it for production yet, i think |
| 10:05 | <soul9> | although they have most bugs sorted out imho |
| 10:05 | <soul9> | sometimes hdd-intensive procs hang |
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| 10:05 | <hatim> | right now its all running under UML, right? |
| 10:05 | <soul9> | yeah |
| 10:18 | <soul9> | so where are the linode admins? :-( |
| 10:18 | <guinea-pig> | asleep. it's not noon yet |
| 10:18 | <guinea-pig> | :P |
| 10:18 | <soul9> | heh |
| 10:18 | <soul9> | what timezone are we using? :-) |
| 10:19 | <guinea-pig> | linode standard |
| 10:19 | <soul9> | the one where the latest it can get is 11:59? |
| 10:19 | <soul9> | :-P |
| 10:27 | <soul9> | should I just open a ticket maybe? |
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| 10:27 | <@mikegrb> | what's the issue? |
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| 10:28 | <soul9> | i've added two A records yesterday evening, and they are still not on the nameservers |
| 10:28 | <soul9> | (in the dns manager they are displayed, but they don't resolv) |
| 10:29 | <@mikegrb> | in your .org or .eu.org zone? |
| 10:30 | <soul9> | .org |
| 10:30 | <soul9> | the two new ones are cili.....org |
| 10:30 | <soul9> | and home.....org |
| 10:32 | <iggy> | if I add extras, are they charged now or at the beginning of the month? |
| 10:32 | <@mikegrb> | pro-rated, now |
| 10:32 | <@mikegrb> | can remove them and will receive pro-rated refund automagically |
| 10:32 | <@mikegrb> | eg if you need some extra space for a few days or what not |
| 10:33 | <iggy> | that's what I need |
| 10:33 | <hatim> | can any one recommend an irc bouncer or proxy |
| 10:33 | <iggy> | thanks for the speedy response |
| 10:33 | <@mikegrb> | soul9: serial number on the ns is old too so for some reason new zone isn't hitting the name servers |
| 10:33 | <@mikegrb> | hatim: irssi can act as a proxy |
| 10:33 | <@mikegrb> | bonus, you can log in and use it directly too |
| 10:33 | <hatim> | mikegrb, yup i guessed it right |
| 10:33 | <@mikegrb> | soul9: taking a look at the dns servers |
| 10:33 | <hatim> | i mean the serial number |
| 10:33 | <soul9> | hm, i have yet to find out how to use it, though |
| 10:34 | <soul9> | mikegrb: well, i hope you can fix it, thanks for looking into it |
| 10:34 | <@mikegrb> | caker could fix it faster, he wrote this stuff so he knows where all the bits that do foo are ;) but I need to learn how the system works too |
| 10:34 | <soul9> | :-) |
| 10:35 | <soul9> | bind... |
| 10:35 | <@linbot> | New news from forums: RED5 streaming on linode? in General Discussion <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3103>; |
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| 10:45 | <@mikegrb> | soul9: should be set now \o/ |
| 10:45 | <soul9> | yey \o/ |
| 10:45 | <soul9> | yay* |
| 10:46 | <soul9> | thanks, mikegrb, strong work :-) |
| 10:47 | <hatim> | yup i see it in the answer section |
| 10:47 | <hatim> | so probably 6-7 hours before it reaches here |
| 10:47 | <soul9> | 0_o |
| 10:47 | <soul9> | it already works here :-) |
| 10:49 | <@mikegrb> | http://tonywhitmore.co.uk/blog/2006/02/21/irssi-proxy-easy/ |
| 10:49 | <hatim> | mikegrb, ok i will give it a try |
| 10:50 | <hatim> | wats the differnece between a bouncer and a proxy btw? |
| 10:50 | <@mikegrb> | note the comments about the password being wrong (no ='s) |
| 10:50 | <@mikegrb> | nothing, just using a different term for the same thing |
| 10:50 | <tjfontaine> | bouncers can be used as regular clients? |
| 10:51 | <richard-blaine> | @mikegrb : I screwed up one of my vps hosting at your competitor, can you fix it up, pls |
| 10:51 | <tjfontaine> | har |
| 10:52 | <hatim> | tjfontaine, which client you prefer |
| 10:52 | <tjfontaine> | irssi |
| 10:52 | <hatim> | ok irssi it is then |
| 10:52 | <tjfontaine> | linode+screen+irssi > * |
| 10:52 | <hatim> | screen is also goo, i would like some thing which starts automatically |
| 10:53 | <hatim> | and easy to read offline messages |
| 10:53 | <tjfontaine> | screen can |
| 10:53 | <hatim> | i would prefer a desktop client as well |
| 10:53 | <tjfontaine> | and there are many irssi away scripts |
| 10:53 | <hatim> | but can one easily connect a desktop client to it, like xchat |
| 10:54 | <tjfontaine> | yes, via the proxy module |
| 10:54 | <soul9> | that looks pretty darn easy, i'll recompile irssi with proxy support :-) |
| 10:55 | <hatim> | soul9, OS? |
| 10:55 | <tjfontaine> | why wouldn't yours have it by default? |
| 10:55 | <soul9> | because it needs deps, iirc, so i disabled it |
| 10:55 | <soul9> | sourcemage |
| 10:56 | <tjfontaine> | I don't think it requires any larger deps than irssi core |
| 10:56 | <soul9> | i'll tell you in a sec ;-) |
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| 10:56 | <hatim> | tjfontaine, it requires perl and probably that requires lots of stuff in sourcemage |
| 10:57 | <hatim> | mikegrb, which distro you prefer on low end linode |
| 10:57 | <@mikegrb> | debian or ubuntu |
| 10:57 | <soul9> | yeah, that's prolly it then, though i did recompile irssi with plugins support recently, so maybe the deps'll be satisfied now |
| 10:57 | <tjfontaine> | I'm not sure why the proxy module would require perl |
| 10:57 | <soul9> | it's a module, so it might be written in perl? |
| 10:57 | <@mikegrb> | I thought irssi itself required perl |
| 10:58 | <tjfontaine> | it's in C |
| 10:58 | <soul9> | no it doesn't |
| 10:58 | <tjfontaine> | only if you want scripts mikey |
| 10:58 | <@mikegrb> | :< |
| 10:58 | <soul9> | to be able to use scripts, it needs perl though |
| 10:58 | <@mikegrb> | who doesn't want perl? |
| 10:58 | * | mikegrb cries |
| 10:58 | <soul9> | haha |
| 10:58 | <tjfontaine> | people who like sane languages ;) |
| 10:58 | <h00s> | mikegrb: hi, any update on my 'unresponsive system' ticket? |
| 10:58 | <soul9> | e.g. |
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| 10:59 | <tjfontaine> | is/was it 'stuck'? |
| 11:00 | <@mikegrb> | hmm |
| 11:01 | <soul9> | oh, well, if everything works out the way it should, i'll be working on a perl project in a few days :-/ |
| 11:01 | <@mikegrb> | h00s: does www and such work fine for you? |
| 11:01 | <tjfontaine> | soul9: you mean an example sane language? |
| 11:02 | <soul9> | tjfontaine: no, i mean that can be a problem with perl ;-) |
| 11:02 | <h00s> | mikegrb: noup, i try to connect to ispconfig www or regular www pages but it only says connecting and that's it :/ |
| 11:02 | <@mikegrb> | ok |
| 11:02 | <@mikegrb> | can you add a traceroute (or better the output of mtr --report) to your ticket? |
| 11:03 | <h00s> | sure! |
| 11:06 | <h00s> | mikegrb: i added mtr report to ticket |
| 11:12 | <@mikegrb> | h00s: k thanks |
| 11:12 | <@mikegrb> | things look okay there, it's odd tom and I can reach your linode via the web fine from the office |
| 11:15 | <h00s> | hmm. i can ping it but web doesn't work. if i ssh to it, it just hangs after executing some command. also, the weird thing is from lish the console just hanging and i can't login from lish? |
| 11:16 | <@mikegrb> | odd |
| 11:16 | <h00s> | very :/ |
| 11:16 | <@mikegrb> | if you don't mind giving out a web address on your linode might be worthwhile to give one in the channel and see who can and can't reach it |
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| 11:19 | <h00s> | well, the problem is that domain on that linode is still in use (i want to change dns inf. to my linode when i finish it) so for testing purposes i added domain to my /etc/hosts |
| 11:22 | <h00s> | but, i don't think that is the problem. yesterday it happened first time when i was editing file in vim. it just hang. after that i tried ssh again to it, it prompt me for password and than hang :/ |
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| 11:34 | <h00s> | mikegrb: i tried now ssh to it, i successfully logged in, executed htop and it hang again. i'm thinking it's something with the host as the weirdest thing is that lish is working but when connected to console, i can't login. so, what we can do next? |
| 11:40 | <@mikegrb> | h00s: we've got one other 720 slot in your data center if you want to try moving |
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| 11:42 | <h00s> | mikegrb: yes, if it's possible that would be great! |
| 11:45 | <@mikegrb> | ok, ticket updated |
| 11:45 | <@caker> | h00s: have you tried older kernels? |
| 11:46 | <h00s> | caker: i must say i didn't |
| 11:47 | <h00s> | but on my other linode it's ubuntu 6.06 and 2.6.24-linode38 (very similar setup like this on l720) and it's working ok |
| 11:47 | <@caker> | ok... |
| 11:51 | <@linbot> | New news from forums: Kernel: 2.6.24.2-linode39 (Latest 2.6) in Linode.com Announcements <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3104>; |
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| 11:59 | <fuzzie> | awesome. |
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| 12:05 | <@mikegrb> | h00s: I messed up :< |
| 12:05 | <@mikegrb> | h00s: I migrated you to the same host |
| 12:05 | <@mikegrb> | we should have new host in your dc later today or tomorrow |
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| 12:08 | <h00s> | mikegrb: ok, when it will be possible please let me know or automagically migrate me :) thank you! |
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| 12:13 | <stephen> | does linode have a standard hipaa compliance statement/policy? |
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| 12:14 | <anderiv> | stephen: I'm not sure why they'd need to. To my knowledge, they never touch your disk image... |
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| 12:15 | <mwalling_> | anderiv: that doesn't satisfy PHB's though |
| 12:15 | <anderiv> | meh |
| 12:15 | <anderiv> | ;-) |
| 12:15 | * | anderiv is glad he doesn't have a PHB. |
| 12:16 | <stephen> | we need to assure our customer that the data we collect is handled in a hipaa compliance fashion - this means physical security of the hardware as well as the data |
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| 12:17 | <stephen> | most colocation providers have a standard hipaa compliance statement |
| 12:18 | <stephen> | but they only have to address physical security since you aren't shareing hardware |
| 12:19 | <@tasaro> | our equipment is locked in cages/cabinets at data centers which require multiple passes to enter |
| 12:20 | <stephen> | do you have a standard hipaa compliance statement? |
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| 12:21 | <@tasaro> | we do not have a standard hipaa compliance statement/policy |
| 12:21 | <stephen> | ok thanks |
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| 12:21 | <stephen> | i think physical security is probably handled, the question would be regarding shared machines and virtualization |
| 12:22 | <@caker> | each VM is completely isolated |
| 12:23 | <stephen> | yeah, i think it would work, but the problem for us is providing the proof to our customer since our customer is the one actually responsible for hipaa compliance |
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| 12:24 | <iggy> | you could count the number of vulnerabilities in uml/xen vs ssh or some other standard mgmt software in use |
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| 12:27 | <DaveyJoe> | I'm a bit of an apache noob, coming from a shared host. Is there any program that will make configuring virtual hosts easier? |
| 12:27 | <mwalling_> | vim :) |
| 12:31 | <anderiv> | DaveyJoe: yah - that's about it. The syntax really isn't all that difficult. If you don't prefer the slight learning curve of vim, you can try nano. |
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| 12:32 | <DaveyJoe> | Is there anything which web interface which will make things nice and automated for me? :D |
| 12:33 | <tjfontaine> | there are many kinds of web management tools |
| 12:33 | <tjfontaine> | to name one: webmin |
| 12:34 | <DaveyJoe> | ok, I'll look into it |
| 12:34 | <DaveyJoe> | thanks |
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| 12:35 | <atourino> | jut be careful with it, as it could become a major security hole if not secured properly |
| 12:36 | <DaveyJoe> | Is there anything that I need to do besides using a good password and running it through https? |
| 12:36 | <tjfontaine> | (as with any software) |
| 12:39 | <atourino> | yes... but the difference being that this one is expressly designed to modify all settings in your system... you can't get any easier than that. Davey, Im no security expert myself, but i'd say, strong password, run it on a non default port and over ssl like you said |
| 12:41 | <DaveyJoe> | ok thanks |
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| 12:47 | <@mikegrb> | h00s: can you try rebooting to latest 2.6? caker just updated the kernel that points at to one without the recen vmslice issue and it seems that this has fixed things for another customer that was experiencing the same oddness |
| 12:50 | <atourino> | mike... so a reboot is in order for everyone or for some distros? |
| 12:51 | <anderiv> | it only affected 2.6.17->2.6.24.1 I believe. And...it's a local exploit, so if you don't have any untrusted users on your box, it's probably not a big deal. |
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| 12:55 | <anderiv> | atourino: of course, if the 5 minutes of downtime isn't a big deal, it wouldn't hurt to reboot. |
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| 12:55 | <atourino> | awesome |
| 12:55 | <atourino> | thanks |
| 12:55 | <anderiv> | atourino: yup. |
| 12:58 | <zeroday> | the root exploit eh? scary stuff |
| 12:58 | <zeroday> | especially if you host people with next access :O |
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| 13:28 | <ximbiot> | hi all. |
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| 13:30 | <ximbiot> | i asked about backup before and got the answer "caker backs up the linode, but you're responsible for your data", but it occurred to me that I'm not exactly sure what that means and I can't find anything online. Am I right in reading that as, "if you `rm -rf /' as root, i hope you backed things up yourself, but if the data center burns down, someone at linode will get your data back"? |
| 13:30 | <@caker> | caker does not do backups :) |
| 13:30 | <anderiv> | hehe |
| 13:30 | <@caker> | the hosts are RAID-1, otherwise backups are your responsibility |
| 13:30 | <@caker> | http://www.linode.com/faq.cfm#do-you-offer-backups |
| 13:32 | <@tasaro> | ximbiot: http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php/Backups_with_s3sync |
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| 13:35 | <fo0bar> | isn't s3 rather expensive as a backup means? |
| 13:35 | * | fo0bar backs up to home with rsync |
| 13:35 | * | SpaceHob1 too |
| 13:35 | <SpaceHob1> | I use rdiff-backup |
| 13:35 | <esoterik> | s3 is really cheap if its incremental |
| 13:35 | <fo0bar> | granted, I have about 37 linux boxes at home |
| 13:35 | <fo0bar> | but the average linode user should be able to scrape up enough hardware, install ubuntu, and throw it in a corner |
| 13:37 | <mwalling_> | unless they have a wonderful ISP known as hughesnet :D |
| 13:37 | <anderiv> | heh |
| 13:37 | <mwalling_> | (although i'm moving out of the middle of nowhere, and will have real internet again) |
| 13:37 | <esoterik> | how bad is the speed mwalling_ |
| 13:38 | <mwalling_> | esoterik: the speed is soso... its the initial lag, and any syncronous, interactive connections (eg ssh) |
| 13:39 | <mwalling_> | local dns caching, a local squid for the whole house, and some tweaks using tcp hyborla {sp} on the router helped alot |
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| 13:59 | <@linbot> | New news from forums: Kernel: 2.6.18.8-domU-linode7 (Latest 2.6) in Xen Public Beta <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3105>; |
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| 14:08 | * | soul9 backs up with venti |
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| 14:24 | <Talman> | Is there a way to carry a balance on your linode account? Someone just asked me. |
| 14:28 | <@tasaro> | carry a balance? like pre-pay? |
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| 14:41 | <Talman> | Yeah, I'm guessing. |
| 14:42 | <@tasaro> | Well, there is an annual billing cycle option, which gets you 50% free disk space |
| 14:43 | <Talman> | Yeah, the person isn't interested in the extra disk space. I think they want to carry a balance on the plan. |
| 14:43 | * | anderiv will take his extra disk space |
| 14:43 | <Talman> | Mainly cause our paypal debit card decided to decline every transaction. |
| 14:44 | <@tasaro> | if they need something special, open a support ticket and we can accommodate (manually charge and carry a balance) |
| 14:44 | <Talman> | Ok, I'll see what they want to do, thanks. |
| 14:45 | <@tasaro> | np |
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| 14:45 | <JaMeS> | ne ops around? billing question |
| 14:45 | <Talman> | One's around. |
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| 14:46 | <Guest1174> | pm me please |
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| 15:06 | <@linbot> | New news from forums: less RAM ? in Sales Questions and Answers <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3106>; |
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| 15:10 | <gecko_> | any admins around yet/ |
| 15:10 | <iggy> | one was talking about 25 mins ago |
| 15:10 | <bd_> | gecko_: hilight tasaro or mikegrb or caker |
| 15:10 | <bd_> | or file a ticket |
| 15:10 | <gecko_> | i filed a ticket 16hrs ago |
| 15:11 | <bd_> | okay, hilight the above :) |
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| 15:13 | <gecko__> | ok will see how the pms go, just wanna get my new server online at least\ |
| 15:15 | <fo0bar> | http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3106 <-- man, linode has come a long way since "you can't do anything on 64MB!" |
| 15:15 | <anderiv> | fo0bar: hah |
| 15:16 | <sakaal> | there was a time when 1 MB was a lot of RAM |
| 15:17 | <mwalling_> | my 80286 has 2MB |
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| 15:17 | <mwalling_> | it takes 30 seconds to POST |
| 15:17 | <sakaal> | you still have a working 286? nice |
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| 15:17 | <mwalling_> | absolutly |
| 15:18 | <sakaal> | I had amiga 500 and then amiga 3000 |
| 15:18 | <sakaal> | spectravideo 728 msx before those |
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| 15:23 | <fjhdz> | Hi |
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