| --- | Log | opened Wed Mar 14 00:00:09 2007 |
| 00:41 | <TheAssassin> | sweet |
| 00:47 | <@caker> | it's out there -- lemme know how it goes, please. |
| 00:52 | <linbot> | New news from forums: Distro: Fedora Core 6 (FC6) in Linode.com Announcements <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2655>; |
| 00:54 | <TheAssassin> | I've installed FC6, and I only have one issue... |
| 00:54 | <TheAssassin> | I'm having a problem getting apache to work... |
| 00:55 | <TheAssassin> | ps aux returns that its running, but I'm unable to access my test index.html page from the web |
| 00:56 | <TheAssassin> | Anyone? |
| 01:01 | <TheAssassin> | hello? |
| 01:07 | <trip__> | TheAssassin: patience ;) |
| 01:12 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 01:12 | <TheAssassin> | lol... sorry, its just that I've been almost 4 days trying to get things setup, dependencies, etc... trying to get something to work, needless to say I have no fingernails left :( |
| 01:13 | <TheAssassin> | To use this stats thing I wanna use I need the new php, mysql etc..., I have it running on FC5 on my home box, but I cant get things going to make it work on my linode, and its frustrating |
| 01:13 | <ajmitch> | TheAssassin: what does "unable to access" mean? blank page? connection refused? |
| 01:14 | <TheAssassin> | hang, I'll show you |
| 01:14 | <TheAssassin> | I'm getting this error |
| 01:14 | <TheAssassin> | The connection has timed out |
| 01:15 | <TheAssassin> | in firefox & IE |
| 01:15 | <TheAssassin> | http://64.22.71.188/ |
| 01:15 | <TheAssassin> | I should have brought up the apache test page atleast? It does on my home box (http://68.202.54.232/) |
| 01:16 | <ajmitch> | just comes up as connectioned refused for me |
| 01:16 | <ajmitch> | netstat -nutap |grep ':80' |
| 01:16 | <TheAssassin> | tcp 0 0 64.22.71.188:80 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 2792/httpd |
| 01:17 | <ajmitch> | so it's at least listening |
| 01:17 | <TheAssassin> | yup |
| 01:17 | <TheAssassin> | thats what I dont get |
| 01:17 | <ajmitch> | next possibility is iptables blocking it, you've checked that? |
| 01:17 | <TheAssassin> | I dont know how... I'm limited on what I know to do :( |
| 01:18 | <ajmitch> | iptables -L -vn |
| 01:18 | <ajmitch> | there may be a bit of output |
| 01:18 | <ajmitch> | (don't paste it all here) |
| 01:19 | <TheAssassin> | okay, theres quiet a bit, what do i need to look for? |
| 01:19 | <ajmitch> | put it on pastebin or something |
| 01:19 | <TheAssassin> | k...brb |
| 01:19 | [~] | ajmitch doesn't know fedora at all, so isn't sure of what tools there are for managing iptables |
| 01:20 | <TheAssassin> | ok |
| 01:20 | <TheAssassin> | http://rafb.net/p/lbPwbp21.html |
| 01:21 | <TheAssassin> | me neither, I've been using rh9 for the past few years |
| 01:21 | <ajmitch> | ok, I *think* you can use sysconfig to manage the firewall |
| 01:21 | [~] | ajmitch just uses debian & ubuntu |
| 01:21 | <TheAssassin> | I've got a 500mhz system here at home with ubuntu hehe |
| 01:21 | <TheAssassin> | I use it for a network file server |
| 01:22 | <ajmitch> | you'll want to allow connections to port 80, it's only allowing port 22 in |
| 01:22 | <ajmitch> | glad to hear of people using ubuntu :) |
| 01:22 | <TheAssassin> | okay, never used it, so I'll give it a shot |
| 01:22 | <TheAssassin> | yah, when ubuntu first came out, I went to their website, requested a cd, and they sent me 200 |
| 01:23 | <@mikegrb> | lolz |
| 01:23 | <TheAssassin> | I've got prolly 120 left lol |
| 01:24 | <TheAssassin> | -bash: sysconfig: command not found |
| 01:24 | <TheAssassin> | :( |
| 01:24 | <ajmitch> | hm ok |
| 01:24 | <ajmitch> | redhat-config-securitylevel |
| 01:25 | <TheAssassin> | same thing |
| 01:25 | [~] | ajmitch wonders what it uses now |
| 01:26 | [~] | TheAssassin shrugs |
| 01:26 | <ajmitch> | for now, try iptables -I RH-Firewall-1-INPUT -p tcp --dport www -j ACCEPT |
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| 01:27 | <ajmitch> | then you can hunt out the fedora way to configure it :) |
| 01:27 | <TheAssassin> | chaching! |
| 01:27 | <ajmitch> | yeah |
| 01:27 | <TheAssassin> | thanks |
| 01:27 | <ajmitch> | np |
| 01:28 | <ajmitch> | I think you may be able to use iptables-save to store that |
| 01:29 | <TheAssassin> | ok, it just outputed a whole buncha stuff |
| 01:29 | <ajmitch> | right, you might need to go to google for more info |
| 01:29 | <ajmitch> | I've spent too long away from rh-like boxes |
| 01:29 | <TheAssassin> | now, to get mysql going |
| 01:29 | <ajmitch> | you won't need to expose mysql to the outside world, thankfully |
| 01:31 | <TheAssassin> | well, only thing I need mysql for is my stats program |
| 01:31 | <TheAssassin> | http://68.202.54.232/~jgriggs/stats/web/ <--- running on my FC5 box at home |
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| 01:41 | <TheAssassin> | Going to bed, night all & thanks for the help |
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| 06:55 | <evolution> | eny one live here?!? |
| 06:56 | <SpaceHobo> | No, I live at home |
| 06:58 | <@tasaro> | evolution: Hello |
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| 13:24 | <Enrique> | I have a question for someone in the "know" about Linodes VPS services |
| 13:24 | <Enrique> | Anyone in the know? |
| 13:25 | <npmr> | yes |
| 13:26 | <Enrique> | Can I define the reverse DNS on my IP's? |
| 13:27 | <@mikegrb> | yes |
| 13:27 | <Enrique> | How? |
| 13:27 | <@mikegrb> | from the member's site there is a link to specify rdns |
| 13:29 | [~] | Beirdo considers moving to the Atlanta DC, but notices the filtered ports. Hmmm |
| 13:29 | <Beirdo> | kinda unfortunate to have IRC filtered. Sigh |
| 13:30 | <@mikegrb> | doesn't affect using irc, just running a server on the standard port |
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| 13:30 | <arrummzen> | How can I set the timezone in an Ubuntu installation? |
| 13:31 | <Beirdo> | ahh, some people had said that it affects outbound too... I do run IRCd, but ssl tunneled, so that doesn't bother me |
| 13:31 | <arrummzen> | (Change it from Eastern to Western time) |
| 13:31 | <Beirdo> | arrummzen, tzconfig |
| 13:31 | <@mikegrb> | Beirdo: it does |
| 13:31 | <@mikegrb> | Beirdo: but you can connect to an alternate port |
| 13:31 | <Beirdo> | thankfully the networks I use both have alternate ports :) |
| 13:31 | <Beirdo> | my home ISP does the filtering too. |
| 13:31 | [~] | mikegrb isn't aware of any that don't |
| 13:32 | <Beirdo> | Well, if TP upgrades will be taking a while, maybe I should put in a ticket to move to Atlanta to get the resource upgrade |
| 13:32 | <arrummzen> | Thank you =P |
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| 13:32 | <Beirdo> | no prob |
| 13:34 | <Beirdo> | gotta go see what all I'd have to change (config-wise) first |
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| 13:44 | <afv-13> | Beirdo: don't forget to set your dns ttl very low before the move |
| 13:45 | <Beirdo> | for sure |
| 13:45 | <Beirdo> | heh |
| 13:45 | <Beirdo> | that's one of the things to change right now |
| 13:47 | <Beirdo> | grrr, they only let me change TTL of the entire zone, not on a record bases |
| 13:48 | [~] | Beirdo smacks easydns |
| 13:49 | <Beirdo> | and the minimum expire they allow is 1 week |
| 13:49 | <Beirdo> | wunderbar |
| 13:50 | <Beirdo> | although, the "minimum" listed is actually served out on the data, and I have it set to 2 min |
| 13:50 | <Beirdo> | heh |
| 13:50 | <Beirdo> | so the data actually has a TTL of 120s |
| 13:50 | <Beirdo> | perfect |
| 14:00 | [~] | GN pokes caker |
| 14:00 | <Beirdo> | hmmm, would I get to know my new IP before the actual move? |
| 14:01 | <Beirdo> | I don't care if the apache doesn't come up, but it would be nice to setup the firewall rules |
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| 14:35 | <afv-13> | in my boredom the other night i calculated that since i joined, ram has increased by 220% |
| 14:36 | <afv-13> | when starting with a L80 that is |
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| 14:41 | <Deckert> | I just looked and yeah, I also started at 80MB ... |
| 14:41 | <Deckert> | in fact I was looking at the 64M and also at rimuhosting's VPSs ... |
| 14:41 | <Deckert> | and when Linode hit 80, I decided on Linode. |
| 14:42 | <Deckert> | And now I'm at 128 (soon to be 256) and rimu is *still* at 64M ... |
| 14:42 | <Deckert> | glad I never went with them! |
| 14:45 | <afv-13> | 3-4 weeks man, 3-4 weeks :p |
| 14:45 | <@tasaro> | Beirdo: Open a ticket and you can get your IP address |
| 14:45 | <Beirdo> | tasaro, OK, sounds good :) |
| 14:45 | <Beirdo> | thanks |
| 14:46 | <@tasaro> | afv-13: Ever see "The Money Pit"? |
| 14:47 | <afv-13> | tasaro: nope |
| 14:48 | <afv-13> | imdb will educate me |
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| 14:48 | <Beirdo> | tasaro: done |
| 14:48 | <Beirdo> | complete with a typo ;) |
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| 14:54 | <@tasaro> | Beirdo: updated |
| 14:54 | <Beirdo> | thanks :) Now to change the firewall rules, shut down and move it |
| 14:57 | <afv-13> | Beirdo: which host where you on? |
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| 14:57 | <Beirdo> | currently? 30 I think |
| 14:59 | <@tasaro> | kenzhao: You're all set |
| 15:00 | <kenzhao> | yes. what? |
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| 15:06 | <kenzhao> | tasaro, i see ur reply, thanks. |
| 15:06 | <Beirdo2> | OK, transfer in progress... and as I use irssi from my linode, I'm here by CGI:IRC for now :) |
| 15:08 | <Beirdo2> | what fun |
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| 15:36 | <Beirdo> | wish it said the % complete :) |
| 15:41 | <afv-13> | did you remove archived packages and other cruft that would unnecessarily add to the amount that needs to be transferred? |
| 15:42 | <Beirdo> | yeah, but the 5G of picture gallery really dominates anyways |
| 15:43 | <afv-13> | might as well go to bed :p |
| 15:44 | <Beirdo> | nah, that's OK, I have a Solaris 10 machine to run Recommended & Security patches on |
| 15:45 | <Beirdo> | still, a future consideration would be to put a % complete on the host job queue if possible |
| 15:45 | <Beirdo> | be a nice thing for stuff like this |
| 15:46 | <afv-13> | agreed |
| 15:46 | <Beirdo> | dunno how easy/hard that would be to implement though. |
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| 18:06 | <Nigel> | "/dev/ubda 194M 191M 3.4M 99% /" |
| 18:12 | <Nigel> | caker: just for a laugh, how hard would it be to implement 'differencing' disks |
| 18:21 | <@caker> | Nigel: hmm? |
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| 18:24 | <jordanb> | So what's happening with all the old host machines? |
| 18:25 | <@caker> | we're going to ebay them, I guess (minus drives) |
| 18:25 | <Xel> | s/ebay/give them to Xel as a gift |
| 18:25 | <Xel> | s/them/ |
| 18:25 | <Xel> | wait damn |
| 18:25 | <Xel> | hmm |
| 18:25 | <Xel> | BAH |
| 18:25 | <jordanb> | If you do you should put a notice up on the forum or something. |
| 18:26 | <linbot> | Announcement from my owner (michael): #orion http://nedwiki.thegrebs.com/index.php?title=Special:Recentchanges&feed=rss |
| 18:26 | <iggy> | shoot holes in the drives then burn them, then put them into a particle accelerator, then remove all the platters and super glue them to your tires and spin donuts around the linode HQ parking lot |
| 18:27 | <jordanb> | Heh. |
| 18:27 | <iggy> | mikegrb: umm.... nedwiki? |
| 18:27 | <@mikegrb> | iggy: it's a sekrit |
| 18:27 | <iggy> | not anymore it's not |
| 18:27 | <@mikegrb> | bah |
| 18:27 | <@caker> | jordanb: yeah, I will for sure |
| 18:27 | <@mikegrb> | silly linbot |
| 18:27 | <jordanb> | I bet there'd be some people who'd be upset but I'd consider it a waste if you didn't just spray random bits on them a few times and then sell them. |
| 18:28 | <jordanb> | Throw away a ton of working discs just because there's some paranoid twits who think the NSA cares about them. |
| 18:30 | <encode> | cant the disks be reused somehow? |
| 18:30 | <iggy> | I like my idea better |
| 18:30 | <encode> | in a massive array, for cheap storage |
| 18:30 | <@caker> | encode: it's not practical |
| 18:31 | <encode> | not financially practical? or technically practical |
| 18:31 | <@caker> | both really ... 200G drives vs 750G? |
| 18:31 | <jordanb> | Well. |
| 18:31 | <@caker> | Plus they've got hours on them, etc.. |
| 18:31 | <encode> | but...200G drives thrown away |
| 18:31 | <encode> | i know where you're coming from |
| 18:32 | <jordanb> | Yeah 200GB is a huge disc for me. I still use a 30gig. |
| 18:32 | <encode> | too much hassle etc |
| 18:32 | <jordanb> | I suppose it would be a hassle ot clean them all. |
| 18:32 | <jordanb> | Still I'm sure ebay could find people who'd be more than happy to have them. |
| 18:32 | <encode> | jordanb: they can't be 'cleaned' securely |
| 18:32 | <encode> | no disk can |
| 18:32 | <@caker> | I'd be comfortable running those deep-erase procedures, or a giant degausser, and then getting rid of them, but I'd want to make sure others were... |
| 18:32 | <encode> | yeah |
| 18:32 | <@caker> | encode: then that answers that... |
| 18:33 | <jordanb> | encode, In a practical sense they can be erased. :P |
| 18:33 | <encode> | jordanb: depends what equipment someone has access to |
| 18:33 | <jordanb> | ... |
| 18:33 | <encode> | the DoD recommended procedure for disk erasure is total physical destruction |
| 18:33 | <jordanb> | The NSA isn't going to buy my linode's disc and try to recover it from a deep erase to get my shadow file. |
| 18:33 | <iggy> | I can't imagine it's a lot different than letting someone like mikegrb have access to all the credit card numbers that are on my linode's disk image |
| 18:34 | [~] | mikegrb throws back his head and cackles with insane glee. |
| 18:34 | <iggy> | I wouldn't trust him with my bookmarks file |
| 18:34 | [~] | mikegrb runs away |
| 18:34 | <iggy> | as is evidenced by his mistake roughly 8 mins ago of announcing a sekrit wiki in here |
| 18:35 | <@mikegrb> | but you have to have the password! |
| 18:35 | <jordanb> | iggy, I'd go to say that there are many easier ways to steal credit card numbers than recovering data from a deeply erased disc. |
| 18:36 | <iggy> | jordanb: I agree, but there's a tinfoil hat wearing person in every group |
| 18:36 | [~] | encode starts brute force guessing mikegrb's nedwiki password |
| 18:36 | [~] | caker adjusts his |
| 18:36 | <jordanb> | I think my point is, I think anyone who's going to have th emillions of dollars of equipment necessary to recover the data (and who knows what the operating expense for that equipment is) isn't going to care abotu the data on a linode drive. |
| 18:36 | <encode> | jordanb: says who? how do you know what other people do on their linodes? |
| 18:37 | <encode> | and how do you know the motives of those with said equipment |
| 18:37 | <jordanb> | I'm expecting that the only data that warrents that kind of expense is data that is on the 'national secret' level. |
| 18:37 | <encode> | what about terrorism |
| 18:37 | <encode> | or suspected terrorism |
| 18:38 | <Deckert> | caker, so what class machines are the early hosts? (such as host1 and host2) |
| 18:38 | [~] | encode puts his conspiracy theory hat on for a moment, before taking it off |
| 18:38 | <jordanb> | I don't follow. |
| 18:38 | <encode> | meh, forget it |
| 18:39 | <@caker> | Deckert: host1 is single proc P4, host2 is single Xeon, rest are dual xeon |
| 18:39 | <encode> | its a useless hypothetical scenario anyways |
| 18:39 | <@caker> | (of the early hosts) |
| 18:39 | <jordanb> | caker, All in rackmounted cases I suppose? |
| 18:39 | [~] | Deckert is an early-host-resident |
| 18:39 | <Deckert> | host2 is very stable |
| 18:39 | [~] | Deckert touches some wood |
| 18:40 | <jordanb> | caker, Do you know if they're real noisy or not? |
| 18:40 | <Deckert> | jordanb, 1U servers are always noisy :-) |
| 18:40 | <@caker> | jordanb: I do know, and yes. They're noisy, but not the loudest I've been around. Most have fan control, so they wind down after POST |
| 18:41 | <@caker> | yeah, all 1U |
| 18:42 | <jordanb> | Yeah it'd be really neat to have a 1u dual xenon sitting around. Unless it sounded like a turbojet. |
| 18:42 | <@caker> | I keep hosts that I'm building/testing stashed away in the closet and get to keep my sanity in the process |
| 18:48 | <iggy> | caker? sanity? don't try to bullshit us |
| 18:49 | <@caker> | :) |
| 19:02 | <Nigel> | caker: differencing disks: you have the base image, then if you wish to say purposely distruct it, you can, because changes to the disk are made onto another image that can be safely deleted, I believe Microsoft uses the term 'differencing disks' and VMWare used the term 'redo disks' |
| 19:03 | <iggy> | qemu can do it, I don't know if uml can |
| 19:03 | <Nigel> | example been, I could have a Debian image, setup a differencing disk, and rm -rdf /bin, shutdown, delete the diff disk bootup again and have a working server |
| 19:05 | <iggy> | qemu calls it snapshot |
| 19:05 | <Nigel> | yeah, I also believe VMWare call it that now |
| 19:05 | [~] | iggy has been playing with kvm today which is the only reason he knows |
| 19:06 | <Nigel> | Microsoft was touting their Differencing disks at a conference I went to, and I came across a reference to VMWare redo disks in an old book I was reading |
| 19:06 | <iggy> | virtualbox can do it too |
| 19:07 | <Nigel> | it'd be handy, got a RHCT exam in April, linode seems to be the perfect solution for continually destroying images :P |
| 19:07 | <@caker> | oh, Copy On Write (COW) can do that |
| 19:07 | <Nigel> | errr Destorying and Fixing :P |
| 19:08 | <Nigel> | but yeah, it'd be a handy feature to have |
| 19:15 | <jordanb> | The only thing I use the l use the linode image for is to setup the initial node though (years ago), also I use the linode kernel. |
| 19:15 | <jordanb> | From then on I've fetched everything new out of debian. |
| 19:15 | <jordanb> | So I suspect that I'd have a huge amount of my linode copied over. |
| 19:15 | <jordanb> | Unless it was able to hash the files in my node and notice when they're the same as the base image. |
| 19:16 | <iggy> | that's what cow does |
| 19:16 | <iggy> | copy-on-write |
| 19:16 | <iggy> | oh, he said it already |
| 19:17 | <iggy> | anytime you do something to a file, it copies it into your COW file and then you edit that copy |
| 19:34 | <Nigel> | I could see quite a few uses for it, but yeah, it's just a thought |
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| 19:50 | <dghill> | hi all |
| 19:50 | <@caker> | hello |
| 19:50 | <dghill> | caker: nice work on this system |
| 19:50 | <dghill> | v. impressive |
| 19:50 | <@caker> | thank you |
| 19:50 | <dghill> | we use virtuozzo here for a lot of stuff |
| 19:51 | <dghill> | it's not nearly as flexible... i dunno if it scales any better |
| 19:51 | <dghill> | you should sell the system :) |
| 19:52 | <@caker> | heh .. it may be an option eventually, but I don't see us doing that in anytime soon |
| 19:54 | <Nigel> | "Linode Home Host" |
| 19:54 | <Nigel> | :P |
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| 21:37 | <Beirdo> | tasaro, move is complete, thanks for your assistance |
| 21:38 | <Beirdo> | now to actually transfer the gallery onto the new partition... my io count keeps hitting 0 from the silly rsync :) I guess moving 5G of jpegs will do that, good thing it's a one time thing |
| 21:47 | <Nigel> | can someone guide me in the right direction for disabling password auth? |
| 21:48 | <Nigel> | (for SSH) |
| 22:16 | <Battousai> | PasswordAuthentication No |
| 22:16 | <Battousai> | make sure you have pubkey auth on though ;) |
| 22:20 | <Beirdo> | ok, restarted the rsync with --bwlimit=250 |
| 22:20 | <Beirdo> | the io_tokens seem to JUST barely regenerate faster than they disappear |
| 22:21 | <Beirdo> | so I'll leave it running like that |
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| 22:31 | <Beirdo> | uncontrolled, rsync between two ubds... goes through io tokens like MC Hammer went through money |
| 22:33 | <Nigel> | Battousai: tried that, it still allows password logons |
| 22:33 | <Nigel> | that was the first thing I did |
| 22:36 | <Beirdo> | well, bed time for me |
| 22:37 | <Battousai> | Nigel: also turn UsePAM off |
| 22:37 | <Nigel> | ahhh right |
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