TheGrebs.com:IRC Logs:#linode:2007:03:06

---	Log	opened Tue Mar 06 00:00:13 2007
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00:52	<@caker>	ext3 UUIDs in fstab?
00:52	[~]	caker ponders
00:54	<guinea-pig>	hmm
00:54	<ajmitch>	should be easy to show with vol_id
00:54	<guinea-pig>	i'm not a fan of uuids, although i've not played much with them
00:55	<ajmitch>	ubuntu uses uuids a lot now
00:55	<@caker>	they must not be ext3 uuids, no?
00:55	<ajmitch>	they are
00:55	<@caker>	odd -- when did this happen?
00:55	<ajmitch>	edgy
00:55	<@caker>	(uuids in fstab)
00:55	<@caker>	ahh
00:56	<ajmitch>	which feels like such a long time ago now :)
00:56	[~]	ajmitch always lives on the latest development branch of ubuntu
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01:00	<encode>	im still on dapper
01:00	<encode>	lts is good
01:01	[~]	ajmitch has his linode still on dapper
01:01	<ajmitch>	but that's because it's being used by other people :)
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02:29	<Shaun2222>	fo0bar: alive?
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03:15	<clownsnatch>	here's to you mrs. robinson!!!!
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05:29	<guinea-pig>	gar
05:29	<guinea-pig>	i seem to have messed up lilo, and i can't find any bbc or livecds laying around
05:30	<guinea-pig>	i just happened to kick my headphones into the power switch on my box, stupid...
05:30	<guinea-pig>	when it comes back up i get unable to mount root fs :(
05:30	[~]	guinea-pig goes hunting
05:41	<SpaceHobo>	ouch
05:43	<guinea-pig>	also, i am lacking burnable media, and it's 3F outside
05:45	<SpaceHobo>	can you get to single user mode?
05:45	<SpaceHobo>	does it get through the initrd?
05:46	<guinea-pig>	nah
05:46	<SpaceHobo>	damb
05:47	<guinea-pig>	VFS: unable to find root partition, IIRC
05:47	<guinea-pig>	whatever
05:47	<SpaceHobo>	ouch
05:47	<guinea-pig>	it still boots win2k
05:47	<SpaceHobo>	ha
05:47	<guinea-pig>	http://marc.herbert.free.fr/linux/win2linstall.html
05:48	<guinea-pig>	that page has saved my ass a few times now... heh
05:48	<JDM>	......................................................
05:49	[~]	JDM shoes off the cat
05:49	<JDM>	terribly sorry about that!
05:49	<guinea-pig>	shouldn't have shoes on the cat in the first place
05:52	<SpaceHobo>	shoes, eh
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07:29	<canburak>	hi, any problems with host44?
07:29	<canburak>	host summary page says load is high
07:30	<canburak>	i cannot connect to my lish
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08:04	<linbot>	New news from forums: East Coast Datacenter in Linode.com Announcements <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2619>;
08:10	<linbot>	New news from forums: Filtered ports at new datacenter in Feature Request/Bug Report <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2625>;
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15:54	<womble>	Nice expanded plans. Do existing customers get upgraded to the new resource limits for their current price point?
15:56	<@tasaro>	womble: yes...
15:56	<@tasaro>	http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2634
16:02	<womble>	tasaro: I see. Thanks. I'm on host46, so I guess I'll wait for the upgrade.
16:02	<msmiffy>	Wheee! I've only just spotted the announcement; really wish there was a mailing list for that.
16:03	<msmiffy>	Damn, damn, damn! Now too close to business hours to shutdown and get the new goodies - got to wait 22 hours! Ouch!
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16:09	[~]	msmiffy wishes that his DSL connection gave him 300Gb/month.
16:10	<lucca>	yeah the new resources are pretty nice
16:10	<@caker>	an announcement email will go out this week
16:10	<lucca>	was getting ready to reboot to move disk images around and saw ram double... always fun ^_^
16:11	<lucca>	I think I started with a linode 64 originally
16:15	<lucca>	still haven't dipped into swap after that reboot. all this ram seems so Decadent muahaha
16:17	<msmiffy>	Just restarted - there was nobody on, so... Running top looks so niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice!
16:17	<@caker>	lucca: :>
16:18	<msmiffy>	Well, that's my primary (Hurrican Electric) sorted out. Just waiting for the guys in Dallas to get their act together for my backup unit.
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16:28	<msmiffy>	caker: is fixing the timezones on the graphs, job queues, etc on the cards? 24 hour clock and either user-selectable zones or UCT would be far less meaningless to the few people in the world who don't live in TN ;-)
16:29	<Internat>	err i thought he already went throught and did that for most things
16:29	<Internat>	u can change it in ur profile
16:29	<@caker>	https://www.linode.com/members/timezone.cfm
16:29	<@caker>	all but the grapgs and support tickets
16:30	<msmiffy>	Aha - got it, ta. Half way there! Must have missed that one...
16:31	<@tasaro>	msmiffy: We keep all the cool new stuff secret ;)
16:31	<Internat>	mmmmmm coool stuff
16:31	<Internat>	drools about more cool stuff
16:32	<@tasaro>	Internat: You may need this: http://www.cafepress.com/linode.25013640
16:32	<msmiffy>	Um, I have a problem. I select my SA & Broken Hill UCT+9.5, select Save, just goes back to UCT +5, even after logging out and in again. Tried three times.
16:33	<Internat>	ooooh!!! my very own!
16:33	<@tasaro>	Don't want the drool on the computer!
16:34	<Internat>	no definatly not.. espcially since the computer is my new MBP
16:34	<Internat>	which would kinda suck to have to replace
16:35	<@tasaro>	same here - using mail.app and get a lot of spam?
16:35	<msmiffy>	tasaro: you did hint to me about the cool new stuff when I was thinking about signing up - you delivered pretty well on time, I see ;-)
16:35	<Internat>	nah i use thunderbird
16:35	<Internat>	mail.app didnt really appeal to me
16:36	<Internat>	thunderbird does alright with the spam, but i wish i could get postfix+amavisd+spamassassin to play nicely and kill the rest of my spam
16:37	<SNy>	I use greylisting, has been working fine since I set it up.
16:38	<Internat>	i use greylisting, but a lot of new spams seem to be finding their way thru it :(
16:38	<Internat>	much to my annoyance
16:38	<msmiffy>	Internat: I've currently got Postfix with an RBL filter, Dspam and ClamAV. Thunderbird catches most of what they don't.
16:38	<SNy>	Ah. Lucky me, then, eh?
16:38	<@tasaro>	Starting using SpamSieve and it's been killer so far...
16:38	<@tasaro>	http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/16177
16:38	<msmiffy>	Greylisting breaks for me due to the fact that I have backup MXs.
16:38	<Internat>	yeah i have a backupmx but funnilly enuff not much heads towards it anymore
16:38	<Internat>	actualy interesting.. i should check that the backup still works
16:39	<SNy>	Heh.
16:39	<msmiffy>	My backup's at Zoneedit, part of my DNS subscription.
16:40	[~]	msmiffy still keeps getting dumped back to the UCT +5 TZ.
16:40	<lucca>	a lot of spam Targets backup mx's
16:40	<msmiffy>	Yeah, I used to see that, when I was using my own backup server.
16:40	<msmiffy>	But spam is better than a broken mail server.
16:42	<Internat>	yeah my backup works.. its got greylisting on it too now
16:44	<msmiffy>	Internat: when I tested greylisting, EVERYTHING went straight to the second MX; it got a delay on the first, so tried the second. That meant that my main MX got no traffic.
16:47	<Internat>	yeah i had that problem for a while
16:47	<Internat>	but then i guess the person that provides my backup put greylisting on as well so i imagine they ahve the same problem
16:47	<msmiffy>	Solution? Or none?
16:47	<msmiffy>	(Apart from don't use greylisting)
16:48	<Internat>	well if both servers have a 1hr grey list, then i imagine that achieves what grey listing wants, the spam cant come through the backup cause the backup is waiting that hr as well
16:49	<msmiffy>	Hmm; think I'll continue to leave that alone. 1hr greylist could put that delay on legitimate mails too, and I think that any time between send and receive over 1 minute is unacceptable.
16:52	<Internat>	well actualy
16:52	<Internat>	i have my greylisting time to 1 minute
16:53	<Internat>	still takes normally 5-30 for them to resend
17:09	<@caker>	<OPTION value="5">(GMT+9.5) Australia (South Australia and Broken Hill)
17:09	<@caker>	<OPTION value="5">(GMT+9.5) Australia (Northern Territory)
17:09	<@caker>	whoops. Fixed.
17:18	<msmiffy>	Yay, it works! Thanks caker.
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17:37	<msmiffy>	Internat: yeah, that's why I'd rather not do it. All I'd change about my current anti-spam setup is that I would have Dspam AND SpamAssassin, as SA (which I used to use) does stuff that Dspam can't.
18:16	<Internat>	yeah im having the problem that even after running my spam and ham folders against sa, its still picking shit up
18:16	<Internat>	err
18:17	<Internat>	asin its not picking anything up.. everything is passing as clean
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18:21	<eco>	My linode seems dead. Lish says: There is no screen to be resumed matching eco.\nYour Linode isn't running, or another console session is already active.
18:22	<linbot>	New news from forums: Reboot: host51 in System and Network Status <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2642>;
18:22	<eco>	There's my answer. :)
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18:42	<Eman>	oh noes error on dashboard
18:43	<Eman>	An error occurred while evaluating the expression:
18:43	<Eman>	"#request.getLinode.LinodeID#"
18:43	<Eman>	Error near line 98, column 48.
18:43	<eco>	Yeah, I keep having to delete the linode cookies just so I can see when my linode is finally up again. It's pretty annoying.
18:44	<eco>	Oh, there they go again.
18:44	<eco>	At least I know my boot is in progress now.
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19:19	<Shaun2222>	fo0bar: awake?
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19:49	<linbot>	New news from forums: Faster than a speeding CoLo in Customer Testimonials <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2588>;
19:50	<msmiffy>	linbot: roulette
19:50	<linbot>	msmiffy: click
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20:18	<msmiffy>	I know that Dallas doesn't have the extra RAM/disc yet, but do the Linodes there have the extra bandwidth?
20:19	<@caker>	yes
20:22	<msmiffy>	Woohoo!
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20:24	<troy>	hey caker, do you think we'll get new servers at Dallas before the end of the month or are we still a while away
20:24	<@caker>	I think 3-4 weeks
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20:24	<troy>	thanks mate
20:25	<Eman>	what about fremont? hehe
20:26	<@caker>	this week (+/-) we'll post the migration queue/schedule
20:26	<Eman>	ok
20:27	<msmiffy>	You guys realise that, in Australia, Linode prices would just about get you a Sinclair ZX81 with 150/300 modem bandwidth?
20:27	[~]	msmiffy has been told and NZ as well.
20:28	<@caker>	is that all telstra's fault?
20:28	<msmiffy>	I'd guess that would be the root of the problem; bandwidth is just soooooo expensive.
20:28	<@caker>	ahh
20:28	<msmiffy>	...and Telstra owns just so much of the infrastructure.
20:30	<msmiffy>	My Linode 768 + Linode 512 cost me 2/3rds what I was paying for a far-less connected ordinary PC colo - with 1Gb inbound per month. (Huge excess data fees)
20:30	<@caker>	1GB ?
20:32	<msmiffy>	Yep. 1 one uno un
20:32	<msmiffy>	I once got the awstats exploit, ran up 6Gb excess data and was stung for $700 AUD excess!
20:33	<msmiffy>	Which is why I now use Linodes ;-)
20:33	<Battousai>	holy crap
20:33	<msmiffy>	Yeah, that's what I thought.
20:35	[~]	msmiffy is now older and wiser and thinks that "buy local" is for people with too much money, who want too little choice.
20:40	<ajmitch>	$700 excess is a lot
20:41	<ajmitch>	what's that, about 5GB? :)
20:41	<msmiffy>	Six, IIRC; hellish lot per extra Meg - and that's per Meg, not per Gig.
20:43	<ajmitch>	I know how painful it is, I'm in NZ
20:43	<msmiffy>	And that's why we're both hosting in the USA ;-)
20:43	<msmiffy>	I think that there are a few Antipodean Linoders.
20:46	<troy>	i'm in Aust too and have hunted around plenty to find a resonable local VPS provider and have come to the conclusion that for the sake of 200ms latency its just not worth the extra cost
21:16	<msmiffy>	troy: my ping time is longer than it was to my CoLo (rural SA to Brisbane), but ssh sessions actually seem to be quicker, once established, ditto serving Web pages.
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21:32	<msmiffy>	Anyone here built MySQL 5.1 series with ssh enabled?
21:32	<@caker>	nope, sorry -- what's up?
21:34	<msmiffy>	Nothing, just about to have a try. Normally only invoke from localhost, but want to run stuff between servers. Would only do this with SSL.
21:35	<msmiffy>	Would like to administer my Linode MySQL instances using MySQL's GUI tools rather than Web-based ones.
21:35	<msmiffy>	...but won't open an unencrypted port 3306 for love nor money!
21:37	<alnr>	when will mem upgrade be available on TP?
21:38	<alnr>	oh, EOM i read
21:39	<Battousai>	cant you tunnel it?
21:41	<msmiffy>	I can, and have in the past. I'd just rather do it natively rather than messing around with tunnels.
21:42	<msmiffy>	I've been waiting for an SSL-enabled MySQL for some time now.
21:44	[~]	msmiffy discovers that he can't use SSL with --all-static - would drop performance.
21:45	<linbot>	New news from forums: Postfix not playing nice in Email/SMTP Related Forum <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2643>;
22:13	<Internat>	hahaha im in aus too :P
22:16	<encode>	i think theres quite a few aussies using linode
22:17	<msmiffy>	And is it any wonder?
22:18	[~]	ajmitch is in NZ, but the linode account is setup for an australian group
22:18	[~]	caker wants pizza
22:19	<ajmitch>	and beer?
22:19	<Internat>	!pizza caker
22:19	<@caker>	mmmm beer
22:19	<Internat>	hmms apparently not
22:19	<Internat>	!beer caker
22:19	<Internat>	nope not that either..
22:25	<@caker>	fresh pizza on the way!
22:26	<@tasaro>	Panzone's or Joey's? ;)
22:26	<encode>	hooray, thanks caker
22:26	<@caker>	tasaro: don't tease me
22:26	<encode>	i love fresh pizza
22:27	<msmiffy>	I'd like pizza, but it's a day trip to get a decent buffalo mozarella - must find out if the shop can put it on the bus.
22:27	<ajmitch>	so do I, and I can't have any tonight
22:28	<@caker>	http://news.com.com/Satire+Apple+unveils+new+product-unveiling+product/2100-1040_3-6164984.html?tag=nefd.top <-- tasaro :)
22:29	<@tasaro>	haha
22:30	<@tasaro>	"Apple's goal within the next 12 months is to make me totally obsolete."
22:31	<@tasaro>	Last line is classic
22:38	<msmiffy>	I'm just waiting for the Microsoft announcement to say that the next generation of Windows will be using a Unix kernel. Hell, Apple did, so who knows what next?
22:38	<npmr>	but that would break compatibility with legacy applications
22:39	<npmr>	something microsoft is notoriously bad at
22:39	<msmiffy>	What's wrong with Wine?
22:41	<npmr>	from microsoft's perspective?
22:41	<npmr>	probably that's it's NIH
22:47	<msmiffy>	The thing about breaking legacy applications is this - don't build the OS so that people have to upgrade!
22:47	<msmiffy>	(apart from bug fixes)
22:48	<npmr>	that don't make no sense
22:48	<msmiffy>	What I mean is, don't make it monolithic so that the whole thing has to be upgraded, rather than components (per Unix).
22:49	<npmr>	still doesn't make sense
22:49	<npmr>	you see, microsoft moves mountains to maintain legacy compatibility
22:49	<npmr>	in spite of everything else they do
22:49	<npmr>	the problem is that they never clean house and break that old crap
22:50	<npmr>	which is why they'd never switch to a unix kernel
22:50	<npmr>	it would break compatibility
22:51	<msmiffy>	But if you have a legacy app, why have an OS that goes out of date in two years? Why not keep the old OS running for those running the legacy apps?
22:51	<npmr>	most people do, but that's beside the point
22:52	<msmiffy>	How did Apple get away with it?
22:52	<npmr>	you can in fact run most 1980s-era dos programs on xp
22:52	<npmr>	there have been a few breaks here and there that affect a class of programs at a time
22:53	<npmr>	apple probably wrote an emulator or something
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22:53	<msmiffy>	I still think that it should be possible with MS; just stick in a compatibility layer for the old stuff - the APIs must be well documented. Bit like me running DOS programmes under Linux...
22:53	<npmr>	i don't actually know what is and isn't supported on the intel macs, but if ppc programs work there, it's because of an emulator
22:54	<msmiffy>	Yep; some sort of compatibility layer.
22:58	<msmiffy>	Woohoo! Just done some updates, including a new PHP build on my (just) upgraded Linode - no swapping!
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22:59	<ajmitch>	npmr: you mean rosetta?
22:59	<npmr>	what's rosetta?
22:59	<ajmitch>	17:53 < npmr> i don't actually know what is and isn't supported on the intel macs, but if ppc programs work there, it's because of an emulator
23:00	<npmr>	oh, is that their emulator?
23:00	<ajmitch>	yeah
23:00	<npmr>	ok
23:00	<npmr>	i wouldn't know
23:00	<npmr>	i use linux on a thinkpad
23:01	[~]	ajmitch doesn't own a mac either, and runs linux
23:01	<msmiffy>	Ditto. Wondering whether I'll be able to test the new OSX on it.
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23:02	<msmiffy>	Just about to dump the Windows partition, now that I've got an old XP desktop for experimentation. Probably end up putting Solaris on there.
23:02	<msmiffy>	(dual boot)
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23:22	<dayjah>	hey - can someone point me in the directions to safely update from a 2.4 kernel to a 2.6 kernel?
23:23	<@caker>	dayjah: on a Linode? You should be fine with just changing it in your configuration profile and rebooting
23:23	<dayjah>	caker, I tried that and I cannot ssh to the machine. I figured it was going to be some libc type issues?
23:24	<@caker>	Latest 2.6?
23:24	<@caker>	also, http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php/Lish_Documentation
23:24	<@caker>	^-- to see boot messages
23:26	<dayjah>	ahh
23:26	<dayjah>	seems I was just being impatient :)
23:26	<dayjah>	thanks cacker
23:26	<@caker>	np
23:26	<dayjah>	*caker
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23:47	<Xel>	caker, did you develop Lish yourself, or is it some opensource package rebranded to be called lish?
23:47	<@caker>	in house
23:48	<Xel>	Awsomeness
23:48	<Xel>	C?
23:48	<Xel>	C++?
23:48	<@caker>	perl
23:48	<Xel>	Wow. It's neat.
23:48	<@caker>	and Term::Complete
23:48	<Xel>	Well it's awsome. Good job on it, heh heh
23:49	<@caker>	thanks :) gotta give screen some love, too
23:50	<npmr>	i can't imagine life without screen
23:50	<Xel>	nor I
23:50	<Xel>	Is it odd that I can't get in to irssi? I mean mentally get in to it.
23:50	<guinea-pig>	i was concieved in a screen session
23:50	<npmr>	i know there was a dark day when i didn't yet know about screen
23:51	<Xel>	I've been a BitchX user for aeons
23:51	<guinea-pig>	i remember compiling my first kernel, at the hand of a shared screen session
23:51	<npmr>	let me guess.... nick was on the other end
23:52	<guinea-pig>	he may have been, but i think it was someone else...
23:52	<guinea-pig>	still, someone in the same afda/zork circle
23:52	<guinea-pig>	for some reason i think it was deltab
23:53	<npmr>	the only people i know who were/are both tron and afda people are sneakums and jordanb
23:53	<npmr>	and i guess Atob
23:54	<guinea-pig>	it was 7 years ago. the people have blurred a bi
23:54	<guinea-pig>	it was 7 years ago. the people have blurred a bit
23:54	<npmr>	ya
23:55	<guinea-pig>	i think i've fixed my booting problems of this morning...
23:55	<guinea-pig>	stupid ubuntu
23:55	<npmr>	ubuntu uses lilo?
23:55	<npmr>	i'm surprized by that
23:55	<guinea-pig>	somewhere between the kernel and initramfs and upgrading from etch->edgy->feisty
23:56	<npmr>	i would have expected grub
23:56	<guinea-pig>	i prefer lilo. it's not a lilo issue
23:56	<guinea-pig>	it's an initrd.gz/kernel module issue
23:56	<npmr>	oh
23:56	<guinea-pig>	new kernel image doesn't work with my IDE
23:56	<guinea-pig>	i'm rebuilding the same version to see if i can pinpoint it a bit more
23:57	<guinea-pig>	i never used initrd until ubuntu anyway
23:57	<guinea-pig>	so i'm a bit green
23:57	<npmr>	i never used to use initrds either
23:57	<guinea-pig>	but with ubuntu, it "just worked" so i didn't play
23:57	<npmr>	generally you just need to let the distro do its magic
23:57	<guinea-pig>	initially, someithng failed to properly generate the initrd.gz, so it was 0 bytes
23:58	<guinea-pig>	then something failed to run lilo
23:58	<npmr>	hmmm
23:58	<npmr>	a dpkg-reconigure here and there would probably fix it
23:58	<guinea-pig>	should've
23:58	<npmr>	didn't?
23:58	<guinea-pig>	new initramfs didn't work with the old kernel. new kernel doesn't work with IDE
23:59	<npmr>	but old kernel didn't use initrd, right?
23:59	<guinea-pig>	old ubuntu kernel, the one i was using yesterday
23:59	<guinea-pig>	meh
23:59	<guinea-pig>	i've been asleep all day
23:59	<guinea-pig>	third shift life for me
---	Log	closed Wed Mar 07 00:00:03 2007