TheGrebs.com:IRC Logs:#linode:2007:02:20

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02:20	<guinea-pig>	linbot, rr
02:20	<guinea-pig>	linbot', rr
02:20	<guinea-pig>	linbot': rr
02:20	<guinea-pig>	meh
02:20	<guinea-pig>	hahah
02:21	<guinea-pig>	linbot`: rr
02:21	<linbot`>	guinea-pig: click
02:21	<rcs>	Is a couple hours notice standard practice for scheduled host reboots?
02:22	<guinea-pig>	when there's an urgent overheating issue, i'd think a couple hours notice is a lot
02:23	<rcs>	Maybe the forum statement is underput, but an overheating issue that leads to "performance issues" is different from an "urgent overheating issue".
02:23	<rcs>	I'm just wondering if I should expect this in the future, really.
02:23	<rcs>	Stuff happens. Air conditioner in my server room went out today. I understand heat issues.
02:24	<guinea-pig>	hmmm
02:25	<guinea-pig>	hadn't seen the forum post.
02:25	<encode>	rcs: it doesnt happen often, and if theres only a couple of hours notice, its something that needs to happen urgently
02:26	<rcs>	I don't really follow that logic.
02:26	<rcs>	But, if it doesn't happen often, cheers.
02:27	<guinea-pig>	it doesn't happen often
02:27	<tierra>	I'm sure it was rather serious performance issues... I haven't known Linode to hand out shorter than 1 week notices unless it is serious
02:28	<guinea-pig>	and if it's something that can be given a days' notice, it will
02:28	<rcs>	Good stuff then.
02:28	<rcs>	Is there some way to get an email notification for status updates like that on a specific host node?
02:28	<guinea-pig>	mm, bedtime! tomorrow, i'll wrap my truck's o2 sensor in aluminum foil!
02:29	<guinea-pig>	RSS feed?
02:29	<tierra>	if you configure your RSS reader to only show entries with your host number, I think that's possible
02:31	<tierra>	I don't remember since this hasn't happened to me in a _long_ time, but I thought per-host issues like this did result in emails being sent out for all on that host
02:32	<rcs>	Nothin' I'm seeing.
02:32	<rcs>	I mean, my inbox isn't exactly a pristine place where not an email goes unread, but..
02:33	<tierra>	maybe it's just for migrations :/
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02:34	<guinea-pig>	emails are sent out for tickets, i believe
02:35	<guinea-pig>	ah, crap. i've been working from the basement all day... computer in my bedroom is bleeping as the cpu fan is running slow again
02:35	<guinea-pig>	speaking of fan issues
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08:47	<warewolf>	hey caker, you got any good web resources on why Virtuozzo is crap?
08:48	<warewolf>	ex-coworker of mine just bought virutozzo hosting, and I which to educate him. :)
08:55	<linbot`>	New news from forums: Best Gentoo Mirrors (for make.conf) in General Discussion <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2611>;
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09:37	<linbot`>	New news from wiki: GentooSetup <http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php/GentooSetup>;
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09:55	<@tasaro>	http://digg.com/linux_unix/The_Return_of_User_Mode_Linux
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12:22	<Wolfling>	Hello
12:23	<afv-13>	hi Wolfling
12:26	<Wolfling>	To the Linode Staff: I have been able to solve my problem with the cc payment by resurecting my old credit card
12:26	<Wolfling>	so im paid up now
12:27	<afv-13>	what where the problems with the cc?
12:27	<Wolfling>	but it would still be good if you can get the interface fixed as I would like to put the Linode expenses on my 'business' card
12:27	<Wolfling>	yeah the interface dont have a box to put the CVC number into
12:28	<afv-13>	aaaaah, i'm probably going to have the same problem
12:28	<afv-13>	in a few days time
12:28	<Wolfling>	no you only need it for the first time you need a card
12:28	<Wolfling>	use a card
12:28	<afv-13>	i know
12:28	<Wolfling>	ahh ok
12:28	<afv-13>	i got a new cc
12:28	<guinea-pig>	i noticed that when i changed my credit card number, but the charges have been going through fine
12:29	<guinea-pig>	with the new card
12:29	<afv-13>	guinea-pig: i thing the za banks are a little more strict
12:29	<guinea-pig>	ah perhaps
12:29	<Wolfling>	yep
12:29	<Wolfling>	we actualy follow the VISA guidelines....
12:29	<afv-13>	i'm hoping that since the card is still with standard bank that it'll go through fine
12:29	<guinea-pig>	i just thought caker trusted me enough, being an 'early adopter' heheh
12:30	<Wolfling>	no its a VISA/MASTERCARD thing
12:30	<afv-13>	so you changed to visa?
12:30	<Wolfling>	but you only need it for the first transaction
12:31	<Wolfling>	after that the bank 'remembers' that you bought here before, so you dont need it anymore
12:31	<Wolfling>	its the stop fraud and stuff...
12:32	<afv-13>	visa doesn't allow buying from the music store i visit so i won't be switching any time soon
12:32	<Wolfling>	see the service provider are allowed to store the cc number, but not the CVC
12:32	<Wolfling>	the CVC confirms that you have the card in your posesion, as if you swiped it
12:33	<Wolfling>	so its used to confirm the first transaction, and after that not needed again
12:34	<Wolfling>	I work for one of the big 4 banks in ZA on the CC Switch backend so I have been studieng it...
12:47	<Wolfling>	well I have to go again
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12:47	<Wolfling>	enjoy
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12:48	<kvandivo>	where's ZA?
12:48	<kvandivo>	south africa.. that's what i was thinking..
12:49	<kvandivo>	zouth africa, maybe...
12:50	<afv-13>	South Africa
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13:31	<kvandivo>	http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/customerservice.html good article today
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13:59	<Nigel>	afv-13: you were asking about CVV2's etc, half the purchases I make don't require them
14:00	<afv-13>	Nigel: za is rather strict, i've never not had to enter a cvv2
14:00	<Nigel>	yeah, well one was an American retailer, and the other was Kiwi
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14:58	<Xel>	lo
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15:50	<encode>	ok, given the registerfly badness going on right now, which registrar should i (try and) switch to?
15:54	<npmr>	i use gandi
15:54	<npmr>	i chose gandi for their terms of service
15:55	<afv-13>	what in their toc sets them apart?
15:55	<afv-13>	*tos
15:55	<npmr>	in their view, your domain is your private property, and their service is a contractual obiligation
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15:56	<npmr>	there's none of that godaddy crap about disabling a domain at their discretion
15:56	<afv-13>	cool
15:57	<afv-13>	do they try to bundle hosting or any other crap?
15:57	<Redgore>	I use a melbourne It reseller with no hassle
15:57	<npmr>	you can get dns hosting
15:57	<npmr>	possibly also web hosting
15:57	<npmr>	but those are optional
15:57	<encode>	Redgore: which reseller? what are their prices like?
15:57	<afv-13>	that's how i like it
15:57	<encode>	im not even sure i'll be able to get my domains back from registerfly
15:57	<Redgore>	encode: names.co.uk £8 a year for .com/.net etc
15:58	<Redgore>	DNS included but not required to be used, full control and so forth
15:58	<encode>	Redgore: any reason you didnt go with melbourne it directly?
15:59	<Redgore>	nope, I didnt even look at it, as it isnt listed on Nominet's listings
15:59	<Redgore>	whereas names.co.uk as a reseller are
16:00	<encode>	ok
16:00	<encode>	http://www.melbourneit.com.au/cc/products/pricing <-- i think thats the reason why
16:00	<encode>	freakin expensive
16:00	<npmr>	so what's going on with registerfly?
16:00	<encode>	apparently they got screwed by a partner
16:01	<encode>	who changed root passwords etc once he got fired
16:01	<encode>	they've been charging people for renewals etc
16:01	<encode>	and not doing them
16:01	<encode>	this is the first i've heard of it, but apparently its been going on for a while
16:01	<encode>	i only know about it cos of the /. story
16:01	<npmr>	have any of your domains expired?
16:02	<encode>	not yet
16:02	<Redgore>	encode: not the highest ive seen
16:02	<Redgore>	but yes expensive
16:02	<encode>	npmr: i have one due at the end of march
16:02	<warewolf>	I use dotster
16:02	<npmr>	gandi is 12 EUR/year iirc
16:02	<warewolf>	havn't had a problem for many years
16:03	<encode>	warewolf: i havent had any probs with registerfly either
16:03	<Redgore>	I had problems with my old registrar but moved away when they eventually allowed me to
16:03	<encode>	so i dont know what to do
16:03	<Redgore>	took them like 6 weeks to give me auth codes
16:04	<encode>	my main site is listed in the registerfly control panel, but a whois shows the registrar as enom
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16:05	<npmr>	enom was apparently the partner that dropped registerfly
16:05	<encode>	yeah
16:05	<npmr>	hmmm
16:05	<npmr>	my employer's domains are through enom
16:05	<encode>	but registerfly also got screwed by one of their employees
16:06	<npmr>	any info about what prompted enom to drop them?
16:06	<encode>	not that i can see
16:07	<encode>	according to an email from registerfly:
16:07	<encode>	We are aware that enom may have sent a notice in regards to the relationship between enom/registerfly.
16:07	<npmr>	http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=223232&cid=18076824 <-- well, there's this
16:07	<encode>	As of February 2006 RegisterFly.com become an ICANN Accredited registrar. We formerly used to resell domain services under enom.com but stopped accepting registrations for them on February of 2006 (1 year ago). Since we are ICANN Accredited we have no need to process new registrations/transfers under enom anymore and spent the past year moving large numbers of names away from enom.com to RegisterFly.com. The amount of names remaining at enom.com is relativel
16:07	<encode>	sent on feb 6
16:07	<encode>	think i'll leave things for the moment
16:07	<encode>	see what happens
16:08	<Redgore>	enom are pains in the backside
16:08	<npmr>	http://www.enom.com/migrate/faq.asp <-- encode
16:08	<npmr>	OPTION 1
16:08	<npmr>	Create a free account at eNomCentral.com and your domain names will automatically be moved to the eNom control panel where you will instantly re-access domain management rights.
16:08	<encode>	npmr: cheers
16:09	<encode>	so, which is the lesser of the two evils? registerfly or enom?
16:09	<encode>	so many decisions
16:09	<npmr>	well, it looks like right now you're totally in limbo
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16:10	<npmr>	after a screwup like this, i wouldn't go near either of them in the future
16:10	<npmr>	but between the two of them it looks like registerfly precipitated the whole mess
16:10	<npmr>	so i'd go for enom and start shopping around for someone stable and agreeable
16:11	<encode>	yeah
16:11	<encode>	sounds good
16:12	<encode>	especially since they say my renewal rate wont go up
16:12	<encode>	only problem is, i never got an email from enom
16:13	<linbot`>	New news from forums: linode webapp - anything like this available? in General Discussion <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2623>;
16:15	<npmr>	did it get filtered out as spam or something?
16:17	<npmr>	ah i see, there's some id number in that email
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16:25	<encode>	yeah
16:25	<encode>	well i cant see it as spam - the recpient address was gmail
16:26	<encode>	it might have disappeared by now
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19:52	<caker>	http://digg.com/linux_unix/The_Return_of_User_Mode_Linux <-- digg me
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20:21	[~]	Nigel looks
20:23	<Nigel>	caker: dugg
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20:53	<@caker>	laggy lag
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21:20	<@linbot>	New news from forums: Stuff to keep an eye on? in General Discussion <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2605>;
21:25	<@linbot>	New news from forums: Too secure to make a backup... in General Discussion <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2614>;
21:36	<@linbot>	New news from forums: Jeff Dike and Christopher Aker interviewed by VSM in Linode.com Announcements <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2624>;
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22:09	<taupehat>	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBE2h8Gdmvc
22:09	[~]	taupehat runs
22:17	<@caker>	haha
22:19	<Nigel>	taupehat: haha
22:20	<encode>	i couldnt understand what they were saying
22:20	<taupehat>	encode: you need a redneck interpreter
22:20	<npmr>	encode, that's a good sign
22:22	<Nigel>	tbh, i perfer Mock The Week :P
22:27	<encode>	ahh yay
22:34	<Nigel>	encode: ?
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